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"Competitor MC-21": China will first conduct flight tests of the C919 aircraft outside the flight center in Shanghai

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"Competitor MC-21": China will first conduct flight tests of the C919 aircraft outside the flight center in Shanghai

Chinese media are heading for a test flight of a C919 passenger airliner at Wuhan International Airport. This is a narrow-body passenger aircraft from COMAC, which has a maximum capacity of 190 passenger seats.


It is noted that this is the first flight of the C919 outside the flight center of the manufacturer in Shanghai. We are talking about Shanghai Pudong Airport. The Shanghai-Wuhan flight is planned as the first flight of such a plan for a Chinese aircraft.

From a Chinese press report:

We are one step closer to obtaining a certificate of airworthiness. As a result, this will make it possible to squeeze out the de facto established intercorporate American-European monopoly on the world market.

The point is that in China I position the airliner as the main competitor for Boeing and Airbus aircraft. For example, the Chinese C919 was initially billed as a competitor to the American Boeing 737 MAX, which has had problems in recent years. The C919 is also considered a competitor for the MS-21 passenger aircraft being created in Russia.

Chinese press:

Tests of the aircraft outside the factory center indicate the high reliability of the aircraft and its readiness to switch to its serial production. In total, the manufacturing company already has over 600 applications for C919. This number of applications is also due to its low price relative to competitors. It is about 1,6 times cheaper than the Airbus A320.

Recall that a few days earlier in Russia, an MS-21 flight took place with the first production PD-14 engines of domestic production.
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  1. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 23 December 2020 15: 22
    +8
    "Competitor of MC-21, Boeing and Airbus": China will first conduct flight tests of the C919 aircraft outside the flight center in Shanghai

    Whose engines are on it?
    1. Machito
      Machito 23 December 2020 15: 28
      +6
      It is unlikely that China will succeed in squeezing the Euro-American monopoly on the aircraft manufacturing market. WTO, global market. These are all empty words. The West does not tolerate fair competition.
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 23 December 2020 15: 35
        -8
        It is unlikely that China will succeed in squeezing the Euro-American monopoly on the aircraft manufacturing market.

        Will Russia succeed?
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 24 December 2020 02: 25
          0
          The rotten have such friends. Whatever squeals here, colleague, the harsh reality is obvious.hi
          1. Machito
            Machito 24 December 2020 23: 12
            +2
            Lexus, you have such a beautiful flag. We need to communicate in PM somehow.
      2. Arthur 85
        Arthur 85 24 December 2020 19: 44
        +1
        Yeah. They pushed them out in all markets, but they won't be able to ... To be honest, I sympathize with the Chinese. They are great fellows. We have received the banner of communism that has fallen from our hands with dignity. Let them succeed. (I know that little is left of communism there, but I believe that this is a temporary measure of mimicry in front of Western scoundrels.)
        1. Romario_R
          Romario_R 25 December 2020 12: 07
          -2
          A real communist ideology is not at all a harmless utopia. Unfortunately for the Russian people forcibly, this ideology was planted as a quasi religion about a bright future, and many are still worn with phantom pains about unfinished communism.
          If the "stubborn builders" of communism remained in power in China, they would have been demolished earlier than ours. The flair and common sense of their leaders worked and they began to build their own unique state system based on realities, and not on utopias, preserving the CPC as a control rod, without the collapse of the country and cutting the strategic branches of the national economy and production, unlike us: (
          They will still try to bite off half of Siberia in our country in order to populate half a billion Chinese builders of communism there. I agree, their leaders are great ...
          1. Arthur 85
            Arthur 85 25 December 2020 12: 49
            -1
            And what is dangerous about communism? His only danger is defenselessness against the "rat king", that is, against the bearer of the "rowing" ideology. In this sense, communism is a utopia. Well this is essentially Christianity, only without God. Humanity is simply not mature enough for it. And the time to grow, given the frantic speed of the so-called. progress is likely to be gone. Such is the sad story.
            1. Romario_R
              Romario_R 26 December 2020 13: 30
              +1
              Consider the phrase, Christianity without God. It's like life without the sun. Communism undermines the physical elimination of the property class. K. Marx was a terrible Slavophobe. He considered the Balkan and Russian people incapable of accepting the revolution and subject to dispersion ... This is almost an exact quote. By the way, Lenin's national policy confirms this. The leaders of the USSR were not very fond of recalling such theses of their idols. And everything is judged by the result. Millions of killed and scattered Russian people in the revolution. Collectivization under a revolver, torn veins at construction sites of industrialization, catastrophic losses at the beginning of the war. And as apophiasis - the betrayal of Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Shevornadze, Yakovlev and many other top leaders of the CPSU, and the plundering of the country by the former nomenclature who had changed shoes. So much for Christianity without God. Without God, not to the threshold. And every person is a lie (it is correct to understand that there is no truth in human false wisdom). I myself am a patriot of the country and I treat the collapse of the USSR as a disaster ...
              1. Arthur 85
                Arthur 85 26 December 2020 23: 06
                +1
                Oh, I'm afraid you won't take my arguments. Life without the sun, oddly enough, may be. In the depths of the ocean, thanks to the geological heat ... Well, this is so, by the way.
                As far as I know, nobody was killed during the revolution. Neither the February, nor the Oktyabrskaya (unless, for joy, someone got drunk to death). They were killed in the Civil, unleashed by the Bulkokhrust and former privileged classes with one goal - to drive the "slaves" into the stall. Some generals even gave their word to the Bolsheviks - not to fight, and scorned him almost faster than the ambassadors of the European Union. And the "slaves" took it, and did not go to the stall. And they drove the "blue princes" to Paris (and most of them - two meters into the ground). And 20 years later, their friends, the Nazis, were defeated.
                Yes, then the Union was betrayed and sold. We can say that the Krasnovs, Shkuro and Vlasovs reached out to him from the grave, since millions of conscious and really advanced people were driven out of the war ... "Communists forward" - have you heard that? And there was no one to shut the mouth of Humpbacked, and even understand that this geek is broadcasting.
                Think about it: the 150-million-strong USSR shook up the thousand-year history of mankind, in which, by and large, apart from rare glimpses of light, there was only blood and selfishness. Should communism be blamed for not knocking off this monstrous idol at the snap of its fingers?
                1. Romario_R
                  Romario_R 27 December 2020 01: 15
                  +1
                  Somehow everything is inflamed ...... I think there is an abyss between our views on life and history. We have one homeland, we will stand for it, I think we are united in this.
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 23 December 2020 15: 30
      +7
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Whose engines are on it?

      Written by
      Engines (2x) CFM International LEAP 1C / Comac CJ-1000A

      I tried to find, there really is nothing, except for exhibition samples or did not find, in short, just China
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz 23 December 2020 15: 38
        +2
        Dvizhki CFM LEAP 1C poka neoshibayus General Dynamics i SNECMA.
    3. venik
      venik 23 December 2020 18: 26
      +5
      Quote: OrangeBigg
      Whose engines are on it?

      =========
      So far, Franco-American CFM International LEAP 1C. Comac CJ-1000A is planned in the future.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 23 December 2020 19: 34
        +5
        Quote: venik
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Whose engines are on it?

        =========
        So far, Franco-American CFM International LEAP 1C. Comac CJ-1000A is planned in the future.

        Then the C919 won't take off. Our guys also believed that Boeing was for competition, and then it turned out that American polymers were not available to us for the black wing.
        1. venik
          venik 23 December 2020 20: 02
          +4
          Quote: APASUS
          Quote: venik
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Whose engines are on it?

          =========
          So far, Franco-American CFM International LEAP 1C. Comac CJ-1000A is planned in the future.

          Then the C919 won't take off. Our guys also believed that Boeing was for competition, and then it turned out that American polymers were not available to us for the black wing.

          =======
          Forgot to mention that Comac CJ-1000A is Chinese engines.
  2. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 23 December 2020 15: 26
    +11
    Well, in the domestic market of China, it will be in demand. The government will simply order to buy. And what is on the outside is difficult to say. The reputation of the Chinese aircraft builders is not very good, the engines are American-French, and according to Huawei's experience, this is easy to cover up. Nobody knows when their engines will be, and will they be up to par?
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 23 December 2020 15: 36
      -8
      Well, in the domestic market of China, it will be in demand. The government will simply order to buy. And what is on the outside is difficult to say.

      You have now described the prospects for the MC-21.)
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 23 December 2020 15: 42
        +15
        The problem is that if we hit the airplanes, in the future this skill will be lost forever.
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 23 December 2020 15: 47
        +28
        Quote: Simon Schempp
        You have now described the prospects for the MC-21.)

        We need to update and replace our aircraft fleet. And there it will be seen. Foreigners flooded the market. We ought to get them out on the sly. Let OUR workers get the wages for OUR airplanes on which we fly.
    2. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 23 December 2020 16: 41
      -9
      With European engines it is easier to sell on the world market. It is not just that Irkut certifies ms21 with both those and these. Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?
      1. A009
        A009 23 December 2020 16: 48
        +6
        If there are high-quality, reliable, economical and orderly services, they will come in handy even in Europe.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 23 December 2020 19: 19
          -3
          Quote: A009
          If there are high-quality, reliable, economical and orderly services, they will come in handy even in Europe.


          No.
          Not useful.

          I will explain to you in simple language of numbers and arguments, which will be understood by everyone who is capable of "not only wearing a hat" ...

          To sell planes in Europe, you need:
          1) to create in the same Europe a system of providing spare parts and spare parts warehouses, practically at every airport.
          2) train thousands of local service specialists, pay them a salary higher than the European average and prove that by coming to us, they will have the same stability for 30 years ahead as an Airbus or Boeing.
          3. Provide in advance !!!! spare parts are all warehouses. so that the time of receipt of the spare part at any airport does not exceed 2-3 hours ...

          These costs in reality exceed $ 5-7 billion annually ...
          And they have to be produced - before the aircraft start flying in Europe.

          Now compare this with our plans, our prices, etc.


          so don't even dream about Europe ...

          The Sukhoi Superjet - being a relatively good aircraft - got burned precisely during the maintenance service ...
          1. A009
            A009 24 December 2020 17: 59
            +1
            1-you probably did not read my post carefully, it says about normal maintenance.
            2- where did you get such a colossal figure of $ 5-7 billion ANNUALLY? The entire amount of design, development and construction from ZERO of a new engine is multiples less. For interest, ask about the organization of service services, in particular for engines from other companies, for example GE in Europe. I can’t call what you wrote other than nonsense.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 24 December 2020 20: 44
              +1
              Quote: A009
              1-you probably did not read my post carefully, it says about normal maintenance.
              2- where did you get such a colossal figure of $ 5-7 billion ANNUALLY? The entire amount of design, development and construction from ZERO of a new engine is multiples less. For interest, ask about the organization of service services, in particular for engines from other companies, for example GE in Europe. I can’t call what you wrote other than nonsense.


              And you calculate the cost of renting premises at airports in the amount of, for example, 100 sites, which should have a huge amount of spare parts. which need to be produced, delivered, stored, then delivered to the planes ...
              Count about 100 specialists with salaries of 5-7 thousand euros per month, with full support with transport, insurance, fuel, and much more.

              Calculate the costs of buying and maintaining very expensive software for the logistics of this area - and this is not 10 million dollars and not 20 million per year ...
              Computer software.
              Rental of hub offices, with their staff.

              And when you realize that you need to spend 3-4 times more on the launch. than a competitor, because everything is already optimized for him, and he has a huge unification, and the stored part can be used in 3-4 different types of aircraft and you do not need to store a lot,
              then we have.
              There is no knowledge, no experience, no optimization, no unification - so you have to store a lot.
              So the costs will be exactly the same at the initial stage.
              Well, maybe not 5, but 3 ...
              But just what does that change?

              Where will we get $ 3 billion and how long will it take to learn to work like a Boeing?
              Provided that there is no time for error and buildup - if you screwed up at the start - they will no longer give a chance.
              1. A009
                A009 24 December 2020 20: 46
                +1
                I repeat - find out how the representative office of any manufacturer works on any continent!
                And stop writing nonsense. Everything is in the public domain. Well, why argue that?
      2. krops777
        krops777 23 December 2020 16: 50
        +1
        Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?


        If the logistics are at the same level as Boeing, why not.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 23 December 2020 19: 20
          -3
          Quote: krops777
          Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?


          If the logistics are at the same level as Boeing, why not.


          will not be - it is prohibitively expensive ...
          Nobody can afford such costs.
          And if the state turns on, then immediately the WTO, sanctions, fines, etc.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 23 December 2020 18: 05
        +10
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?

        It is in vain that you express yourself so disparagingly about our dviguns!
        PD-14 in terms of technical and economic indicators is 15% better in fuel consumption and 20% more economical in terms of life cycle.
        The United States, France and the EEC may not buy, but Latin America and Africa with very Central Asia and Iran in addition - this may very well be!
        Therefore, we will start with our airlines, and then we will see how the people say. yes
        AHA.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 23 December 2020 19: 22
          -5
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: AC130 Ganship
          Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?

          It is in vain that you express yourself so disparagingly about our dviguns!
          PD-14 in terms of technical and economic indicators is 15% better in fuel consumption and 20% more economical in terms of life cycle.
          The United States, France and the EEC may not buy, but Latin America and Africa with very Central Asia and Iran in addition - this may very well be!
          Therefore, we will start with our airlines, and then we will see how the people say. yes
          AHA.


          Better than who? Our previous ones?
          Well, I don't think PD-14 is better than LEAP, it just can't be better based on how it was made. how much it was made, on the basis of what basis it was made and what competencies the developers have ...
          1. Boa kaa
            Boa kaa 23 December 2020 21: 11
            +4
            PD-14 was created under the conditions of sanctions, direct opposition from "partners". 20 new materials have been created, 50 new technologies have been developed, from design to production ...
            This is a long and difficult path - from scratch to hardware!
            About competencies. Well, not really we are "bast shoes" (!), If Zircon has been made, but advanced "partners" far and wide, well, they will not give birth to a working model ... Yes, and the Vanguard is already on alert duty ...
            In aircraft engine building, we have become operational, now we will step on the heels of our partners. Serious tasks lie ahead, I think we have potential, young talented engineers and designers. The SCHOOL is reborn, and this is the most important thing. It is impossible without this. And this is the main point.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 24 December 2020 07: 07
              -4
              Quote: BoA KAA
              PD-14 was created under the conditions of sanctions, direct opposition from "partners". 20 new materials have been created, 50 new technologies have been developed, from design to production ...
              This is a long and difficult path - from scratch to hardware!
              About competencies. Well, not really we are "bast shoes" (!), If Zircon has been made, but advanced "partners" far and wide, well, they will not give birth to a working model ... Yes, and the Vanguard is already on alert duty ...
              In aircraft engine building, we have become operational, now we will step on the heels of our partners. Serious tasks lie ahead, I think we have potential, young talented engineers and designers. The SCHOOL is reborn, and this is the most important thing. It is impossible without this. And this is the main point.



              Stop this pathos.
              PD-14 is the essence of the revised and renamed PS-12.
              By 2006, the project was fully developed.
              The series was to be released in 2012.
              The only problem at the time of development and the delay was the creation of the gas generator.

              There were no sanctions for the PD-14.
              There was no heroism.
              There is a 10-year delay.
      4. Olgovich
        Olgovich 23 December 2020 19: 44
        +6
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?

        ALL who afraid of sanctions USA-remember Iran, which cut off EVERYTHING by Boeing, etc., etc.

        And it's worth a lot!
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 24 December 2020 21: 00
          -1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: AC130 Ganship
          Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?

          ALL who afraid of sanctions USA-remember Iran, which cut off EVERYTHING by Boeing, etc., etc.

          And it's worth a lot!


          Learn to think wider.
          Check out the latest sanctions lists.
          Any supplier of Irkut will not work with him. because it automatically also falls under the sanctions of Irkut.
          not a single aluminum plant will do this, because because of 1000 tons of aluminum it will lose all sales and the plant will simply die - the state will have to buy it.
          No technodynamics will do this, because otherwise. due to 10 sets of chassis per year, it will also lose all other sales.
          and so on in everything.
          Wiring, seats, avionics, servos - everywhere there are hundreds and thousands of contractors who, due to deliveries of 10 aircraft a year - i.e. single items for the contractors and subcontractors themselves - will be completely deprived of the market for 99% of their main products.
          To all suppliers of any components used for aircraft production.
          And even tires will not be, because foreigners are forbidden to sell their tires, and our manufacturers have already lost their competence. and almost all factories are owned by foreigners.

          This is what sanctions really are ...

          And people like you laughed, laugh and will laugh!
          This is where your laugh is for me! You all have turned blue already as strangled by your laugh. You feel like laughing. It's funny to you. You laugh everywhere! Always! Above everyone! You have not yet entered the hall, but have already prepared your hari to laugh. Everything is funny to you! Life, death, tsunami! Earthquake! And you laugh ... Ha ha ha! Is half the country frozen? Ha ha ha! Is the policeman a murderer? Ha ha ha! Five million children without a scout? Ha ha ha ha! Why are you laughing? Why is this “Ha ha ha!”? But because when it's serious, you're scared.
          From the movie "12"
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 25 December 2020 08: 59
            +1
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Learn to think wider.

            Push your tips, yeah.
            Have you been asked about them?

            As for the rest, neither: the plane ALREADY flew on Russian engines and this is a fact.

            And then we'll see
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 28 December 2020 19: 21
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich

              And then we'll see


              And then - FSE!

              If you do not understand enough of the essence of all sanctions, then they are included at the moment when they can cause maximum damage.
              Then, when almost all budgets are completely spent - and ready to receive and use - it does not work.
              Here it is exactly the same.
              PD-14 is a very expensive development.
              A lot of contracts and sub-contracts, into separate parts, so that there is no understanding of how much they invested in the end. But in fact they invested the same amount. how many others.
              For to create something really modern, you need to spend about one amount, or even more.
              It's the same with the plane.
              Spent many billions on development.

              And now what?

              And all.
              All they have spent - they will not allow to develop with their sanctions.
              Consider buried.



              The situation is the same with Nord Stream-2 .. Don't you notice the similarities?
              and with the delivery of our aircraft - there are no new contracts ...
              Even Kazakhstan buys A-400 transporters ...
      5. bayard
        bayard 23 December 2020 21: 58
        +8
        Quote: AC130 Ganship
        Who (to be honest) needs these pd14 outside of Russia?

        At the very least, Iran needs them in this form - there are at least 300 pieces in the preliminary application. , but an indispensable condition is only Russian components. And up to one and a half hundred "Super-Jets" are also exclusively Russian configuration. Even this alone, together with an internal order (also about 300 pieces), is already quite enough to start mass production.
    3. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 23 December 2020 19: 11
      +3
      Quote: Sahalinets
      And what is on the outside is difficult to say. The reputation of Chinese aircraft builders is not very ...

      Eka you were politically correct: Not really.. belay Airbuses that are produced on the Chinese assembly line are driven to Toulouse for the first decent routine maintenance - so as not to undermine their reputation
  3. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 23 December 2020 15: 26
    +8
    So that's great. The huge Chinese sales market is shrinking for American and European companies.
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 23 December 2020 15: 27
    +7
    Even if they cannot squeeze the European and American masters, then the funds for creation will be beaten off at the expense of the domestic market. And China's domestic market is very decent: 4.081 aircraft (or 12% of the world's total fleet).
  5. Evil 55
    Evil 55 23 December 2020 15: 27
    +4
    By the way, there was information that one of the paid ones was stubbornly trying to push it into our market by sliding the MS-21.
  6. vadimtt
    vadimtt 23 December 2020 15: 30
    -5
    Something tells me that Boeing and Airbus have no competitors, since Irkut was recently added to the sanctions list (greetings from Biden), and the Chinese still have to cut competitive aircraft for a long time.
    1. Proxima
      Proxima 23 December 2020 15: 47
      +9
      Quote: vadimtt
      Something tells me that Boeing and Airbus have no competitors, since Irkut was recently added to the sanctions list (greetings from Biden), and the Chinese still have to cut competitive aircraft for a long time.

      Well, have they brought in, now sprinkle ashes on your head? crying The MS-21 will have the entire fleet of Russian airlines at its disposal. fellow Here and let him supplant Boeings and Airbuses for health!
      1. Linxs
        Linxs 23 December 2020 17: 18
        -6
        Superjet ousted?
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 24 December 2020 21: 08
        -3
        [quote = Proxima]
        Well, have they brought in, now sprinkle ashes on your head? crying The MS-21 will have the entire fleet of Russian airlines at its disposal. fellow Here and let him displace Boeings and Airbases for health! [/ Quote]

        I repeat to you.

        Learn to think wider.
        Check out the latest sanctions lists.
        Any supplier of Irkut will not work with him. because it automatically also falls under the sanctions of Irkut.
        not a single aluminum plant will do this, because because of 1000 tons of aluminum it will lose all sales and the plant will simply die - the state will have to buy it.
        No technodynamics will do this, because otherwise. due to 10 sets of chassis per year, it will also lose all other sales.
        and so on in everything.
        Wiring, seats, avionics, servos - everywhere there are hundreds and thousands of contractors who, due to deliveries of 10 aircraft a year - i.e. single items for the contractors and subcontractors themselves - will be completely deprived of the market for 99% of their main products.
        To all suppliers of any components used for aircraft production.
        And even tires will not be, because foreigners are forbidden to sell their tires, and our manufacturers have already lost their competence. and almost all factories are owned by foreigners.

        This is what sanctions really are ...

        And people like you laughed, laugh and will laugh!

        This is where your laugh is for me! You all have turned blue already as strangled by your laugh. You feel like laughing. It's funny to you. You laugh everywhere! Always! Above everyone! You have not yet entered the hall, but have already prepared your hari to laugh. Everything is funny to you! Life, death, tsunami! Earthquake! And you laugh ... Ha ha ha! Is half the country frozen? Ha ha ha! Is the policeman a murderer? Ha ha ha! Five million children without a scout? Ha ha ha ha! Why are you laughing? Why is this “Ha ha ha!”? But because when it's serious, you're scared.
        From the movie "12" [/ quote]
    2. Rubi0
      Rubi0 23 December 2020 16: 25
      +5
      Somewhere there was statistics that only one Aeroflot per year changes about 10 units on internal lines, and more than 10 units per year until ms 21 and will most likely not be able to do it in the next five years, judging by the same silts and superjet
    3. And Makarov
      And Makarov 23 December 2020 16: 52
      0
      Quote: vadimtt
      Boeing and Airbas have no competitors, since Irkut was recently added to the sanctions list

      So the Chinese can very easily not let them in. War is war, even if it is trade.
  7. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 23 December 2020 15: 30
    +3
    It is also caused by its low price relative to competitors. It is about 1,6 times cheaper than the Airbus A320
    and the MS-21?
  8. A.K.
    A.K. 23 December 2020 15: 55
    +3
    Without its engines, I think it will land soon. And there are a lot of other foreign equipment, it was created approximately like our ssj100, that is, with the whole world. And the methods of fair competition between Westerners are well known to us. Conclusion one comrades rejoice early.
    1. Linxs
      Linxs 23 December 2020 17: 16
      +2
      It won't work with China. Even with sanctions, which is unlikely, the plane will be allowed to enter the domestic market.
      And oh, how sweet ...
      1. A.K.
        A.K. 23 December 2020 18: 40
        -2
        If they ban all foreign equipment, they will do it for a very long time. So it will not enter the domestic market soon either.
  9. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 December 2020 16: 07
    +1
    Americans can limit the C919 series to unprofitable through components and engines.
    1. AC130 Ganship
      AC130 Ganship 23 December 2020 16: 39
      +3
      This is very hardly. One hour of face-to-face conversation with China and Trump a couple of years ago - and Trump began to smile sharply and wag his tail
  10. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 23 December 2020 16: 27
    +2
    In china, it will go well. Definitely.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2020 16: 28
    +3
    We need to think about our own and for ourselves ... this is for a start.
  12. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 23 December 2020 16: 36
    +1
    "The C919 is considered .. a competitor to the MC-21"
    Fair competition is the engine of progress.
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 December 2020 17: 59
      +1
      Quote: DKuznecov
      Fair competition is the engine of progress.

      How naive these Russian people are. How easy it is (how can I say it in Russian?) ... to "cheat". The main thing is to write and print many, many "correct" textbooks.
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  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 December 2020 17: 05
    +3
    Quote: DKuznecov
    "The C919 is considered .. a competitor to the MC-21"
    Fair competition is the engine of progress.

    And where did you see fair competition, especially in aviation,
    1. Dkuznecov
      Dkuznecov 23 December 2020 18: 25
      +2
      The more manufacturers there are, the more honest the competition will be.
      Now, in fact, the market is "sawn" by Boeing and Airbus.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 23 December 2020 17: 05
    +3
    In place of China, I would follow the path of the UAC and add a second turbojet engine. At least the same pd14 ..... The Chinese market for Boeing is much more delicious than the Russian one. And there are already sanctions against MC21
  16. Linxs
    Linxs 23 December 2020 17: 13
    +1
    The Chinese are lucky with the domestic market.
    1. Antokha
      Antokha 23 December 2020 18: 12
      +4
      They themselves created this market when they did not whine, but gave birth to children. And we gave birth while the conditions were bad, and as they got better, they stopped, citing the fact that, they say, a comfort zone is needed. We see the result. China at the beginning of the twentieth century was only twice as large as Russia in terms of population.
      1. iouris
        iouris 23 December 2020 20: 50
        -4
        The population of the Russian Federation will grow, and our number will decrease by almost a million this year.
  17. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2020 17: 21
    +5
    Implementation of the joint Chinese-Russian CR929 wide-body long-range passenger aircraft project is progressing smoothly despite the outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic. In the period from 2023 to 2045, about 1000 aircraft of this model will be delivered, said the chief designer of the project Chen Yingchun.At the Zhejiang International Aerospace Summit 2020, Chen Yingchun said that during this period the global market demand for wide-body passenger airliners was estimated at 10 thousand units. , their cost will be more than 50% of the total cost of all passenger aircraft. The chief designer from the Russian side is Maksim Sergeevich Litvinov, and from the Chinese side - Chen Yingchun.  laughing

     


     


     
  18. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2020 17: 21
    0
    Well, the engines will be at your choice: General Electric, Rolls-Royce, Russia.

    The Chinese do not know how to use engines ... at least not yet. laughing
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2020 17: 24
    +4
    The situation with the Chinese regional ARJ21 is also murky. Operation began in 2016, there are three hundred orders hanging, but in 5 years only about 40 boards were produced.

    What, how, why - everyone squints and says nothing. But I can guess why. laughing
  20. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 23 December 2020 17: 53
    -1
    I would not risk flying on this, otherwise you accidentally sneeze and his wings will fall off. Interestingly, what engines will they supply?
  21. Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 December 2020 19: 29
    +2
    Quote: LinxS
    The Chinese are lucky with the domestic market.

    While he still cannot replace the external one.
  22. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 23 December 2020 19: 35
    +1
    Quote: OrangeBigg
    "Competitor of MC-21, Boeing and Airbus": China will first conduct flight tests of the C919 aircraft outside the flight center in Shanghai

    Whose engines are on it?

    ... and how much does it cost?
  23. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 24 December 2020 04: 10
    0
    Sanctions are in full swing. When the Chinese have home-grown engines, the Americans shamelessly can accuse a competitor that the Chinese stole their technology and ... ban the C919 from flying.
    The same applies to our MS-21.
    Look at the root, dear. Business is also a competitive war, and not for life, but for death.
  24. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 24 December 2020 15: 45
    +3
    Quote: SovAr238A
    PD-14 is the essence of the revised and renamed PS-12.

    May I ask a great expert like you? Where was the PS-12 used and how many were produced?
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 24 December 2020 21: 11
      -1
      Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
      Quote: SovAr238A
      PD-14 is the essence of the revised and renamed PS-12.

      May I ask a great expert like you? Where was the PS-12 used and how many were produced?


      And you look for information on how the development of the PS-12 suddenly began to be called the development of the PD-14 ...
      Maybe you will stop looking smart and become just a little bit more knowledgeable. and not with empty claims to universal knowledge ...

      Look, dig through a couple of hundred documents or pages ...

      It will be very useful for you.