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Ukrainian doctors explained why they learn Polish

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Medical workers from Ukraine are ready to leave their country and go abroad in search of a better life. It is estimated that about 15 doctors, mainly nurses and young doctors, can go to work abroad.


Ukrainian media write about it.

Ukrainian doctors and nurses explained to reporters why they diligently learn Polish. The fact is that due to the fight against coronavirus, Poland is experiencing a shortage of medical personnel. Therefore, in October, the Seimas adopted a law on simplifying the rules for the hiring of medical workers who come from countries outside the European Union. Naturally, we are talking primarily about personnel from Ukraine and Belarus. In Poland, they appreciate the high professional qualities and low demands of their eastern neighbors.

Now, doctors are not required to confirm their diploma in Poland. It is enough for them to have at least three years of experience and present a national diploma of education. However, this does not mean that it will be easy for Ukrainian doctors to get a job in Polish clinics. After all, the future employee will have to confirm the knowledge of the language, and at a high level. This is a completely fair demand, because Ukrainian medical workers in the new place will have to communicate with patients, most of whom speak only Polish.

So they have to learn an unfamiliar language. But Ukrainian doctors are ready to overcome the language barrier, leave loved ones and go to a foreign country. They can be understood, because the average salary of a medical worker in Ukraine is 7 thousand hryvnias (approximately 18,7 thousand rubles), of which most often goes to pay for utilities.

Of course, an experienced doctor, who, in addition to the official salary, has a solid additional income, will not leave, so most of the migrant workers from Ukrainian medicine will be young doctors from the provinces and junior medical personnel.

It is impossible to survive on a nurse's salary of six thousand hryvnia with a rent of 5 thousand.

- Maria Onischuk, a nurse from the Dnipropetrovsk region, explained to journalists her desire to leave for Poland.

The massive departure of doctors from the territory of Ukraine abroad is another confirmation that the state is not going to take care of the safety of its citizens. Behind the constant cries of "waging war with Russia" lies a continuing disregard for the interests of the common people, including disregard for the right to receive medical care.
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  1. Thrall
    Thrall 23 December 2020 13: 21
    +3
    Everything is according to the precepts of the revolution of guidnost and the holy maidan
    1. Machito
      Machito 23 December 2020 13: 55
      0
      The slaves have missed the lord's whip.
      Why did you ride on the Maidan? Lace panties remained a pipe dream, realized in the form of a Polish toilet.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 23 December 2020 15: 50
        +1
        You don’t understand .. Ukraine is imbued with the spirit of servitude. It's in blood and for centuries
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 23 December 2020 14: 23
      +7
      Being a subservient of the Western servants is truly a great achievement ...
    3. svp67
      svp67 23 December 2020 15: 09
      +4
      Quote: Thrall
      Everything is according to the precepts of the revolution of guidnost and the holy maidan

      No, you are not thinking about that. It would be time to think hard so that our doctors would not study Polish en masse.
  2. nnm
    nnm 23 December 2020 13: 24
    +13
    It is very interesting what the real number of Ukrainians are now living in the country. Officially, Goncharuk (if not confusing), according to cellular operators, counted 42 million.But I remember other data calculated based on the volume of sales of bakery products and average consumption per person - there the figure was about 1 million.
    And the way Ukraine has been "developing" in the last 6 years, with loans (which still grandchildren will pay), corruption, tariffs, the prohibition of the Russian language, it seems, will completely remain without a young generation capable of something. Those who can run away - to Russia, Poland, etc. The dream of the West will remain - a territory rich in resources and cheap labor with a handful of dull, embittered and ready to work for pennies Aborigines in yellow and blue trousers.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 13: 27
      +5
      what 42?))) on the strength of 20 and if you count on passports, it will be about 30 with the Crimea and Donbass
      1. nnm
        nnm 23 December 2020 13: 29
        0
        That is why I am writing that the real figure is very interesting.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 13: 32
          0
          some minus put)))))
          1. nnm
            nnm 23 December 2020 13: 33
            +7
            Non-brothers, probably, ran to visit VO)))
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 13: 49
              +4
              there are a lot of them here))) especially in the news where Russia is bad
              1. nnm
                nnm 23 December 2020 13: 57
                +2
                Anastasia, where else can they go? On Ukrainian forums and sites, Russians are blocked instantly, so their entire communication has long been reduced to sessions of chauvinistic and patriotic mutual gratification.
                And in order to hear or read at least some kind of alternative opinion news, articles without idiotic ukropatriotic coloring, you have to run to visit us.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 14: 24
                  +2
                  so it's one thing to read news and another thing to troll and sarcast
          2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 23 December 2020 13: 41
            +7
            Quote: Nastia Makarova
            some minus put)))))

            - Well, I recently read Engels's correspondence with this ... how is he, the devil? ... With Kautsky!
            - Let me know, what can you say about what you read?
            - Yes, I do not agree.
            - With whom? With Engels, or with Kautsky?
            - With both.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 23 December 2020 14: 25
          0
          An interesting real figure for the salary of a medical worker at the hospital .. After all, our salary for a nurse in the Central Regional Hospital will be even lower by one rate.
          1. nnm
            nnm 23 December 2020 14: 29
            0
            Yesterday, in my opinion, a nurse working in the red zone called on one of their channels - there are no allowances for covid, except for the income tax of 1.5%, the "clean", like, about 6 thousand rubles comes from her.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 23 December 2020 14: 52
        +1
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        what 42?))) on the strength of 20 and if you count on passports, it will be about 30 with the Crimea and Donbass

        If we count according to passports, then children from one to 16 years old, or up to 14, I don’t know for sure will not be counted.
        Maybe they put a minus for this?
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 15: 09
          +1
          I wrote that now it is about 20 or a little more, if they carry out the census using passports, then about 30 will be released. Crimea will be taken into account. Donbass and those who left for permanent residence abroad but still have a valid passport
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 23 December 2020 15: 56
            0
            Natalya, what kind of goat is minus you?! (
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 24 December 2020 05: 25
              0
              and at once for all posts and in different topics)))))
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 24 December 2020 07: 01
                -1
                Yes. I noticed this long ago. I suspect that your “minuses” have an embroidered shirt, a stupid peasant expression on your face, and for breakfast, coffee with bacon.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 24 December 2020 08: 08
                  +1
                  I presented such a face and I felt sick
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 23 December 2020 13: 38
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      and willing to work for a pittance

      So nausea in most of its part does not know how to work at all
      1. nnm
        nnm 23 December 2020 13: 40
        +2
        What are you, colleague! There for them there are many professions that are very popular in Ukraine - "aHtivist", "volunteer" !!!))))
        Judging by the size of their salo-receivers, such "work" is paid well enough))))
        That is how pensioners, oligarchs and Ahtivists will remain in the country.
        1. Rubi0
          Rubi0 23 December 2020 14: 21
          +2
          You are laughing and in Kiev calls the political scientist and journalist are the most demanded specialties, and these are just future activists and horses
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 23 December 2020 14: 31
          -2
          Quote: nnm
          "aHtivist", "volunteer" !!!))))

          As far as I know, some "volunteers" have filled their pockets well
    3. knn54
      knn54 23 December 2020 14: 13
      +4
      Optimists learn Ukrainian, pessimists learn English, Polish ...
      Realists-AKM.
    4. Andrei Nikolaevich
      Andrei Nikolaevich 23 December 2020 15: 54
      +1
      Buddy, works in the administration of one of the regions. An intelligent and intelligent man. He said that most of all, the independent government is afraid of the population overhang. According to him, based on the level of consumption of bread products, there are no more than 25 million people left in Ukraine. In 1992 it was 45 million
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 December 2020 18: 46
        0
        In 1992 there were more than 50 million of them.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 23 December 2020 13: 31
    +3
    Why do VNA doctors and nurses? They were tasked with halving the population, and doctors are hindering this greatly! So the hi are going to "play" abroad, there is nothing here ...
  4. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 23 December 2020 13: 36
    -2
    It is impossible to survive on a nurse's salary of six thousand hryvnia with a rent of 5 thousand.

    Well, for what they jumped.
    Here's your lace panties
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 13: 44
      +1
      No, well, to some extent simplified the exit laughing
      Now, doctors are not required to confirm their diploma in Poland. It is enough for them to have at least three years of experience and present a national diploma of education
      And it seems funny, and people feel sorry for them.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2020 14: 07
        +5
        What's funny? We got the opportunity to work for a decent salary, the rest will now be raised.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: Avior
          What's funny?
          The funny thing is that the Maydauns were eager for Europe and for visa-free travel, and those who just did not particularly Maidan received relief.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2020 14: 17
            0
            Do you have an analysis by profession? Throw off the link, it's interesting to read
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 14: 20
              -1
              Quote: Avior
              Do you have an analysis by profession? Throw off the link, it's interesting to read
              What do you think Maidanis are completely doctors and nurses? I do not think so. Throw off the link with proof to the contrary.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 23 December 2020 14: 34
        -1
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        , and people feel sorry for them.

        Not for me.
        It was they who rode and dreamed of me "to the gilyak"
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 23 December 2020 14: 59
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin

          Not for me.
          It was they who rode and dreamed of me "to the gilyak"

          Sergei, well, you know that not everyone rode. There was also ANTIMAIDAN.
          So ... Somehow it's not correct for everyone - "don't mind"
  5. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 23 December 2020 13: 43
    +2
    It is strange that doctors are ready to learn Polish and leave for a foreign land, but do not want to come to Russia, where, in principle, their diplomas are quoted, and there are many vacancies for honey. positions. And we speak the same language, and the mentality is the same. What is the reason?
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 23 December 2020 13: 46
      +10
      The reason?


      Salary.
      1. Igoresha
        Igoresha 23 December 2020 14: 03
        +3
        PLN 200 per hour for the anesthesiologist. Multiplying by 7,7 UAH = 1540 UAH (4158 rubles) per day
        1. Katanikotael
          Katanikotael 23 December 2020 19: 03
          +1
          from where the information, for some reason gives me 74 zlotys per hour?
          1. Igoresha
            Igoresha 23 December 2020 21: 52
            -3
            President of the Association of Anesthesiologists of Ukraine voiced:
            Lykar, President of the Association of Anesthesiologists Sergiy Dubrov, stating that
            I’ll look at the project to the budget, Ukrainian physicians don’t go to waste
            boards, as President Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Please, please
            anesthesiologists for a robot for 200 zloty for a year, like Sergei Dubrov.

            even if half the income is solid. Considering that it is better to live in Poland even due to climatic conditions, in winter there is no need to buy a coat and to burn cubic meters of gas, in summer there is no need to spend money on air conditioning, cars are cheap, a Ford-Mondeo friend brought for 150 euros, though for six months 10 thousand UAH for repairs on our roads had to lay out)))
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 13: 51
      0
      a lot came but it was in 14
    3. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 23 December 2020 15: 09
      +2
      Quote: 7,62x54
      It is strange that doctors are ready to learn Polish and leave for a foreign land, but do not want to come to Russia, where, in principle, their diplomas are quoted, and there are many vacancies

      The casket opens simply - I came to Russia, no work, no housing, no registration. If there are no relatives in this settlement, then a blockage with a registration.
      Poland provides such temporary housing. The Polish salary gives more hryvnia in translation than the Russian ruble. But the main thing is, of course, the work of our FMS. Below the plinth. If the FMS turned its face to migrants from Ukraine, the influx of literate, professionally trained people would increase significantly.
      But, looking at the FMS policy, it turns out that the influx of illiterate migrants from Central Asia is more profitable for Russia.
      1. 7,62x54
        7,62x54 23 December 2020 15: 45
        +9
        Yes, the FMS works disgustingly. I was driven as a taxi driver, an Armenian by nationality. Has been speaking in Russia for 6 years, recently received citizenship. He knocked down the doorsteps of the passport office regularly, until Madame employee took pity. She said that I see you often, but that you will never become a citizen. Here is the phone, call, they will tell you "conditions", if you are satisfied, we will do everything quickly.
        As a result, 120 tr. fucked off for one person. These are the conditions. And I came with my wife. For two 4 higher educations, very cultured, speaks literary language.
        And the same taxi driver said that he was driving a Tajik who is not a belmes in Russian. So this Tajik was shaking his Russian passport in front of him, boasting that he had paid 250 tr. To the question, "But what about the Russian language exam?", The Tajik replied that he was asked "why are you moving to Russia?", And his answer was "I like the weather well"
        Therefore, when they write how bad it is in Ukraine, it looks cynical and flawed. This is an outdated training manual, stuck together from the Nightingale droppings.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 23 December 2020 18: 26
          0
          Quote: 7,62x54

          Therefore, when they write how bad it is in Ukraine, it looks cynical and flawed. This is an outdated training manual, stuck together from the Nightingale droppings.

          Well, apart from the fact that hundreds of thousands have left the country leaving their children with their grandmothers in search of at least some kind of earnings, then Ukraine is really good. fool
          1. 7,62x54
            7,62x54 23 December 2020 21: 22
            0
            How many left Russia leaving both grandmothers and parents here?
  6. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 23 December 2020 13: 46
    +6
    The news is not very good. Our advanced specialists also learn a foreign language, not Polish, but English, now these are just agencies working abroad a dime a dozen. And rightly so. I don’t think that we have trade unions that can put the question squarely on salaries. you are a specialist and the salary does not suit you, vote with your feet. IT specialists, sailors and pilots in this way knocked out decent salaries for themselves.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 23 December 2020 13: 52
      -4
      the majority have no opportunity to leave even if you know 5 languages, for example, not every doctor will go to the west to work there as a nurse and they will not take him as a doctor
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 23 December 2020 13: 55
        +3
        With doctors, the problem! They do not recognize our diplomas! This is the system of protection of local doctors with their high salaries.
  7. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 December 2020 13: 48
    0
    That's really a problem for doctors. We barely learned a tattered surzhik called "Ukrainian mova", so now we have to learn Polish. He is partially familiar, since the surzhik is molded, including from his words, but still not that laughing
    1. sergo1914
      sergo1914 23 December 2020 14: 23
      -1
      Quote: stock buildbat
      That's really a problem for doctors. We barely learned a tattered surzhik called "Ukrainian mova", so now we have to learn Polish. He is partially familiar, since the surzhik is molded, including from his words, but still not that laughing


      They spank each other in Latin. The language of international medical communication.
      1. Reserve buildbat
        Reserve buildbat 23 December 2020 14: 24
        0
        Nothing of the kind) In Latin, only diagnoses and procedures. Trust the paramedic of the construction battalion laughing
    2. Sergej Ugrimow_2
      Sergej Ugrimow_2 23 December 2020 16: 56
      -2
      It's time to luster the MOV by sending it to the trash cans and start learning the real main European languages: German, French, Spanish, Italian, as well as non-European types of Romanian, Hungarian, Czech, Polish, Tribaltic :)))
  8. Avior
    Avior 23 December 2020 14: 05
    +3
    A natural situation. Until doctors and nurses go abroad en masse, no one inside will raise their salaries. Especially concerns the nurses.
    There is no big problem to learn the language, there used to be an obstacle - a medical diploma was more difficult to confirm than a technical one, there was a formal confirmation, but now the medical one has been simplified.
  9. APASUS
    APASUS 23 December 2020 14: 26
    +1
    The question is not very strangely posed in the material, but what other professions are in demand in the country? As far as I understand only the military, and that is the option with instant death, so there are no queues.
    1. Sergej Ugrimow_2
      Sergej Ugrimow_2 23 December 2020 14: 55
      0
      In countries where the military is in demand, doctors are also in demand, who must bring them back to life and restore them after military defeats.
    2. Catholic
      Catholic 23 December 2020 15: 18
      +23
      Quote: APASUS
      and what other professions are in demand in the country?

      Only propagandists are in demand in Ukraine.
  10. Basarev
    Basarev 23 December 2020 14: 26
    +12
    Should we laugh? We ourselves have been losing for decades the best, most qualified people ... And we get janitors who can barely speak Russian. They themselves are not better.
  11. evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 December 2020 14: 34
    +1
    Where will the replaced Poles go then? Massively begin to learn English and German in order to leave to work already there. And where then will the Germans replaced by the Poles go to work? A very slippery system in the world with these gastorbazters.
  12. Sergej Ugrimow_2
    Sergej Ugrimow_2 23 December 2020 14: 53
    +1
    Maydauns love to love their Nenka from afar and, if possible, for euros, or at least for Polish zlotys.
  13. Catholic
    Catholic 23 December 2020 15: 16
    +21
    Medical workers from Ukraine are ready to leave their country and go abroad in search of a better life.

    As if they are expected abroad. But this is not the fault of the health workers. The Kiev authorities are to blame for bringing the situation in Ukraine to the point of absurdity.
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2020 15: 18
    0
    Decay equals two half-lives .... but that's simple math. Life follows different rules.
  15. Irek
    Irek 23 December 2020 16: 37
    0
    They also jumped for this.
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2020 17: 04
    0
    Quote: svp67
    Quote: Thrall
    Everything is according to the precepts of the revolution of guidnost and the holy maidan

    No, you are not thinking about that. It would be time to think hard so that our doctors would not study Polish en masse.

    There are no willing ones. laughing so that our doctors do not begin to massively study Polish. Who is ours?
  17. alexmach
    alexmach 23 December 2020 17: 34
    +1
    Also news to me. 10-15 years already. In Poland, there is a shortage of health workers because their own people have been migrating to more developed countries for a long time. In their place, Ukrainian ones are brought in. At one time, about 7-8 years ago in Lviv, even at tram stops along the routes from the medical institute, there were announcements.
  18. 1536
    1536 23 December 2020 18: 08
    -1
    If they cannot create anything at home, do they really think that someone in other countries will entrust them to do something important? And all the more trust in the life or health of people.
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  20. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 23 December 2020 19: 54
    -2
    Quote: Basarev
    Should we laugh? We ourselves have been losing for decades the best, most qualified people ... And we get janitors who can barely speak Russian. They themselves are not better.

    Rosstat named the Russian regions with the largest shortage of doctors and announced the scale of the shortage of doctors - at the end of 2018, there were about 50 thousand open vacancies of doctors in the country and about 50 thousand more vacancies of nurses. The most significant shortage of doctors was recorded in the Kamchatka Territory - about 20 percent of the vacancies of doctors, nurses and paramedics were not closed there. Rosstat considers only practicing graduates of medical universities to be doctors
  21. ficus2003
    ficus2003 23 December 2020 20: 47
    0
    What specific "Ukrainian media" write this and why without links?