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A month and a half later, the culprits of the attack on the Russian Mi-24 helicopter have not been named

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Press Secretary of the President of the Russian Federation Dmitry Peskov this Monday, in response to a question from journalists, said that Moscow and Baku are conducting a close and constructive dialogue on all issues. According to him, this also applies to the investigation of the death of the Mi-24 helicopter of the Russian Armed Forces, shot down by the Azerbaijani military.


Of course, the investigation is a long, complex and painstaking business, but for some reason, even a month and a half after the tragedy, the perpetrators of the death of the Russian helicopter in Armenia were not named. Baku claims that our pilots died as a result of a tragic mistake committed by the Azerbaijani air defense forces. But on this occasion, the words of one native of Transcaucasia are recalled:

Each error has a first and last name.

Of course, Azerbaijan did not delay the confession of guilt and apologies for the downed helicopter, and this is an honest and correct act.

Baku's readiness to pay monetary compensation to the families of the victims is also the right decision. But at the same time, neither information about the progress of the investigation, nor the names of those responsible are announced. We do not know who specifically killed the citizens of the Russian Federation while performing their official duties. Moreover, we do not know when and how the guilty will be punished, and whether it will happen at all.

But it's hard to believe that Baku doesn't know the name of the serviceman who fired the shot at the Russian helicopter and the commander who gave him the order. It is possible that the Azerbaijani military shot down the Mi-24 on his own initiative, but this is unlikely. Elementary logic and common sense suggest that it is not difficult for the Azerbaijani authorities to identify these people.

I would not like to think that Baku is going to "slow down" this incident, hide the names of the perpetrators and simply buy off Russia with money. But the lack of information, which should have long been known to the general public, prompts such thoughts.

On November 9, in the skies over Armenia, the Azerbaijani military shot down a Russian Mi-24 helicopter. At the same time, Major Yuri Ishchuk and Senior Lieutenant Roman Fedin, piloting the car, died. Exactly one and a half months have passed since then, but Baku has not yet reported any, even intermediate, information about the investigation of the incident.
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  1. midivan
    midivan 23 December 2020 11: 33
    +18
    But the lack of information, which should have long been known to the general public, prompts such thoughts.
    That the work of the Turkish special forces, and Aliyev shields Erdogan and he has little choice ...
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 23 December 2020 11: 36
      +7
      and Aliyev shields Erdogan and he has little choice ...
      Yes, and we are not Israel to clean up to the last involved.
      1. Temples
        Temples 23 December 2020 11: 46
        -26%
        Azerbaijan admitted its guilt.

        Finding the person who pulled the trigger is looking for a scapegoat.

        Find a soldier and hang the death of our helicopter on him.

        This soldier was in the war and carried out orders.
        The leadership of Azerbaijan has admitted its guilt.
        Leadership gives orders.

        Azerbaijan says that these were the actions of the air defense forces.

        Remember Iran shot down a passenger plane from Ukraine?
        Similar situation.
        The country admitted a mistake in the actions of the air defense.

        It is foolish to wait for punitive actions of the country's leadership towards its soldiers.
        1. Volodin
          Volodin 23 December 2020 11: 50
          +14
          Did I understand correctly that you don't care who the murderer is, the main thing is "to make an apology"? If so, then this is no comment at all ... This position of the life of our military turns do not understand what. Why do we need the Criminal Code at all, if we "understand, forgive" ...
          Iran named a specific officer, deprived him of his post, a criminal case is being considered.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 23 December 2020 11: 56
            +19
            Quote: Volodin
            "understand, forgive" ...

            And they refused from Azerbaijani tomatoes! True, then they changed their minds and resumed deliveries.
            Our word is flint! sad
            1. barin
              barin 23 December 2020 12: 03
              +6
              Quote: Uncle Lee
              Our word is flint

              hi Master of the word - "He gave the word, took the word"
              But they do international business.
            2. Civil
              Civil 23 December 2020 12: 07
              +3
              Or maybe everything has already been decided? Between themselves. And he is a state helicopter - he doesn't mind the type.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 23 December 2020 13: 37
                +1
                Vadim! Are you a provocateur? bully
                1. Civil
                  Civil 23 December 2020 15: 09
                  +1
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Vadim! Are you a provocateur? bully

                  Rather a truth-teller. wink
          2. Normal
            Normal 23 December 2020 12: 15
            -1
            This is not a person's position in life, but a normal explanation of the situation at the moment. How will your life personally change when you will be told the name of the shooter, just give a detailed answer. Are you sure that everything that happened and what forces are involved in this and what decisions and actions in the political arena will entail, you, me and other citizens need to know? If you do not know the name, then you are working in the wrong organization, which you should know. There is one expression that, in my opinion, is very interesting: "If you think that you are not being followed, then it means that professionals are working with you."
            1. Volodin
              Volodin 23 December 2020 12: 45
              +3
              The names of those who shot and gave orders are a worldwide criminal practice (at least for the sake of the relatives and friends of the dead servicemen). If you do not understand this, I am very sorry - you can continue to talk about "someone knows and the work of professionals". And tell the families of the victims. Better not, though. For such fabrications, they will not even talk to you (at least) ...
              1. Normal
                Normal 23 December 2020 18: 21
                -2
                Did the relatives of the victims tell you that it was important for them to know their names? Do you often finish building in your head for others what was not voiced? In fact, you are now talking about your projection, you are projecting your thoughts onto other people, passing it off as the truth. Further, you "allow", or rather, indicate what to do. Do you realize that you are thinking irrationally? Is this your style of behavior with people, to indicate what to do next?) Then you again fantasize that relatives will not talk to me. Where do you get all this information?)) Do you understand, or at least guess that your whole speech is built on your fantasies about who needs what and who will tell me what, or will not say, or will not talk.) the way of thinking is infantile, because it operates exclusively with your fantasies. It is the childish way of thinking, filled with dreams and fantasies, but on the avatar you seem to look like an adult and serious man.
              2. Doliva63
                Doliva63 23 December 2020 18: 54
                +2
                Quote: Volodin
                The names of those who shot and gave orders are a worldwide criminal practice (at least for the sake of the relatives and friends of the dead servicemen). If you do not understand this, I am very sorry - you can continue to talk about "someone knows and the work of professionals". And tell the families of the victims. Better not, though. For such fabrications, they will not even talk to you (at least) ...

                I totally disagree with you. Remember the Ullman incident? And then the entire SPN was almost dispersed - but the global criminal practice was delighted with this shame. One who perfectly fulfilled a combat order should not be punished in any way. Whatever the order may be. "Any order of the commander (chief) is carried out unquestioningly, accurately and on time." This is how it should be in the army. And it is necessary to punish the politicians who provoked this order.
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 23 December 2020 23: 23
              +5
              Every citizen of Russia should know that he will not be left in trouble, and if something happens, he will be avenged ironically. So that no one else was discouraged. If there is no such knowledge - what the hell do you need such a state? Why should a citizen give his life for him, if the state does not care about him?
          3. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 23 December 2020 20: 11
            -2
            Quote: Volodin
            the main thing is "to make an apology" ...

            I would like to be understood correctly, but I will offer you a different version, a simple one: a combat helicopter is flying, at a distance of less than three kilometers from the DB line, it runs into the calculation of an anti-aircraft missile system and receives a rocket. Question: what was the helicopter of the third, non-participating party doing there? Let's ask who sent him there? Who will name the names?
            The death of their people must definitely be avenged, but let's find the root cause of what happened.
            Quote: Volodin
            Iran named a specific officer, deprived him of his post, a criminal case is being considered.
            Are you really sure that "Appointed" did the officer deserve to be punished? I'll give you half a dozen reasons justifying him: he acted on the basis of available information.
            And as an example: Osipovich vs B747 / KAL007: where I studied - in '88 two thousand people stood up when he entered the hall; but the opinion of the information space, to put it mildly, is not so unambiguous. And the divers who got on the plane first - generally tell incomprehensible things.
            An apology must be made, and the Russian Federation has the right to punish those who are really guilty. Not presented, but real. I would like her to use this right ...
            I very much agree with a colleague.
            Quote: Doliva63
            One who has perfectly executed a combat order should not be punished in any way. Whatever the order may be. "Any order of the commander (chief) is carried out unquestioningly, accurately and on time." This is how it should be in the army. And you need to punish the politicians who provoked this order.

        2. Albay
          Albay 23 December 2020 12: 12
          -8
          That's right, but Iran shot down a civilian plane and there are a lot of overlapping air defense crews. A military helicopter was shot down from Azerbaijan and was mistaken for an enemy at night. I do not think that anyone will be punished. An apology was made and an agreement was given to compensation for damage, both moral and material According to international rules, this is a normal solution to a crisis situation.
        3. antivirus
          antivirus 23 December 2020 12: 30
          +1
          everyone is to blame and the tomato traders will be punished ........................................... ....................
      2. the most important
        the most important 23 December 2020 19: 34
        +4
        Quote: NDR-791
        and Aliyev shields Erdogan and he has little choice ...
        Yes, and we are not Israel to clean up to the last involved.

        I would like to remind you that no one was punished for the exploded passenger plane over Sinai 5 years ago, although Satanovsky called out the customer's name a long time ago.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 23 December 2020 11: 37
      +10
      Quote: midivan
      That the work of the Turkish special forces, and Aliyev shields Erdogan and he has little choice ...


      In this case, years will pass, and the public will never know who is to blame.
      And I wonder how strongly the Russian side is demanding detailed information from Azerbaijan about what happened?
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 23 December 2020 11: 43
        +6
        Quote: Insurgent
        And I wonder how strongly the Russian side is demanding detailed information from Azerbaijan about what happened?

        It seems that in this case we have chosen the role of "Silence of the Lambs" for ourselves ...
        Our notorious "interest in partnership", which has repeatedly tripped us, has once again prevailed over the rule of law - the inevitability of punishment.
      2. midivan
        midivan 23 December 2020 11: 50
        +4
        Quote: Insurgent
        In this case, years will pass, and the public will never know who is to blame.

        If the perpetrators suffer the fate of the Turkish pilots on the bus, then I am ready not to know their names, let them remain nameless.
        Quote: Insurgent
        And I wonder how strongly the Russian side demands

        As usual, diplomatically .... And what's the point of demanding something from them, it is quite possible that Aliev himself did not expect this and was not aware of the impending operation.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 23 December 2020 11: 56
          -1
          Quote: midivan
          Yes, and to the point of demanding something from them, it is quite possible that Aliyev himself did not expect this and was not aware of the impending operation.

          "I didn't know and I forgot" what kind of baby talk? This does not in any way remove responsibility from Aliyev himself.
          If you follow the principle of "ignorance" outlined by you, you can sink to the point that both Poroshenko and the entire suburb will be declared innocent of the death of MH-17. Say - did not know (and) did not know (and), and in general he (she) was framed...
          1. midivan
            midivan 23 December 2020 12: 03
            -1
            This is not my principle, but my opinion only. Okay, let's do it differently, put yourself in Aliyev's place - you were not informed about the upcoming action, I think it is quite possible, looking at Erdogan's actions and behavior - what will you do in Aliyev's place?
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 23 December 2020 12: 09
              0
              Quote: midivan
              put yourself in Aliyev's place - you were not informed about the upcoming action ........ what will you do in Aliyev's place?

              Conduct an investigation, if, of course, I am still the boss in my own country, and decide something.
              1. midivan
                midivan 23 December 2020 12: 22
                -2
                Quote: Insurgent
                Conduct an investigation, if, of course, I am still the boss in my own country, and decide something.

                You have lost sight of the fact that "you" do not decide much on the issue with the Turks ... The investigation can take a long time in this case, until they forget. The answer should come from us and only, the economy a little bit, and Syria will pull the rest ... And if you press strongly on Aliyev and drive him into a corner, then you can make an enemy out of the blue. I think Aliyev has already done what he could, if we needed some kind of infa and owned it, then we already have it ...
                1. Insurgent
                  Insurgent 23 December 2020 12: 27
                  0
                  Quote: midivan
                  if we needed some kind of infa and owned it, then we already have it ...


                  У THEM - maybe there is, but no one wanted to share information with you, although it is very resonant ...
                  1. midivan
                    midivan 23 December 2020 12: 34
                    -1
                    Quote: Insurgent

                    THEM - maybe they have, but no one wanted to share information with you, although it is very resonant ...

                    And I don’t need it, it’s not easier for me, it’s not easier for the families of the victims, let the infa be for those who deserve it and need it for the cause, I repeat - personally, it is enough for me to know that just retribution has taken place, and for some reason I feel like this with a skin and will be. If anything, I'm not Meehan laughing he also has a strong flair, by the way, do you know he is here yet? And then I'm rarely here and not in the topic of the site ..
                    1. Insurgent
                      Insurgent 23 December 2020 12: 38
                      -2
                      Quote: midivan
                      If anything, I'm not Meehan, he also has a strong flair, by the way, you do not know he is here yet?

                      I have no idea.
                    2. Archivist Vasya
                      Archivist Vasya 23 December 2020 17: 16
                      +1
                      Meehan was seen here on the site recently, either last week, or a little later. Complains that he is quickly figured out and banned))) but he began to comment on the news less often.
                      1. midivan
                        midivan 23 December 2020 18: 29
                        0
                        Understood thanks hi
            2. Insurgent
              Insurgent 23 December 2020 12: 18
              -1
              Quote: midivan
              This is not my principle, but my opinion only.


              And I didn't write that, the text is:

              Quote: Insurgent
              If you follow the stated principle
              1. midivan
                midivan 23 December 2020 12: 24
                0
                Quote: Insurgent

                And I didn't write that, the text is:

                Tupanul, I'm sorry))
      3. barin
        barin 23 December 2020 12: 04
        +6
        Quote: Insurgent
        In this case, years will pass, and the public will never know who is to blame.

        They count on this.
      4. Doccor18
        Doccor18 23 December 2020 12: 08
        +2
        Well, received compensation for the downed plane in Syria? And they will get it for the downed helicopter in Azerbaijan. That's all. And then politics ... And it has its own laws, in which there is no place for human tragedy ...
        1. BDRM 667
          BDRM 667 23 December 2020 12: 24
          +9
          Quote: Doccor18
          further politics ... And it has its own laws, in which there is no place for human tragedy ...


          Not avenged within the law human tragedy , as a result of such a policy, without dotting the "I", sooner or later results in friction with unpredictable consequences on national grounds.
          First to the merchants of a certain nationality, then more.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 23 December 2020 12: 33
            +4
            ... sooner or later results in friction with unpredictable consequences on national grounds.

            Sooner or later...
            And everyone (from the trillionaire and the president, to the teacher and the guest worker) hopes for "late" ... That's all.
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    4. demo
      demo 23 December 2020 13: 04
      +1
      But it's hard to believe that Baku doesn't know the name of the serviceman who fired the shot at the Russian helicopter and the commander who gave him the order.
      The Azerbaijani language is "very" different from Turkish.
      They cannot pronounce any name, surname, or citizenship.
      They can't even find an interpreter.
      How did they communicate only on the battlefield?
  2. Hypertension
    Hypertension 23 December 2020 11: 35
    +20
    Everything is according to the classics: "skip one insult, and you will receive a thousand" (c)
    Who is there talking about Russia's successful foreign policy? In "friends" there are only "Honduras" with bad loans, and each time there are sanctions and sanctions ...
    Thank you very much to the author for not letting this situation fade away.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 23 December 2020 11: 57
      +1
      Quote: Hyperion
      Everything is according to the classics: "skip one insult, and you will get a thousand"
      One of the Christian wisdom. The Gospel of Matthew (Bible), where in chapter 5, page 39 it says:
      "But I say to you: do not resist the evil one. But whoever strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."
      And how many times you can not resist evil. It's time to give a good answer.
  3. Proton
    Proton 23 December 2020 11: 35
    +2
    All the same, let's hope that the investigation will not be let on the brakes. For the state it becomes insulting.
  4. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 11: 35
    0
    If something like that happened on our part, they did not give it out, but they would definitely be assigned to the bunks. Unfortunately.
  5. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 23 December 2020 11: 36
    +14
    They will mumble and forget. This is the toothless Foreign Ministry and its policies.
    1. prior
      prior 23 December 2020 11: 48
      +4
      It would be time for a spokesman from the Foreign Ministry to express "deep concern" about the delay in the investigation of the incident. They are not capable of anything else.
  6. igor1981
    igor1981 23 December 2020 11: 36
    +15
    Personally, I try not to buy anything from Azerbaijanis, I don't go to their cafes and stalls where they sell, this is my personal answer to Azerbaijan.
    1. 7,62x54
      7,62x54 23 December 2020 12: 36
      +3
      Therefore, that the Azerbaijanis, that the Armenians plant saleswomen of Slavic appearance in stalls
      1. igor1981
        igor1981 23 December 2020 12: 42
        +6
        I know about this, I also know which stalls and shops in our area who owns
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 23 December 2020 23: 28
          0
          Well - in my area ALL stalls and shops belong exclusively to them. The owners and workers are desperately needed by Russia, such as labor migrants. And what to do?
    2. BDRM 667
      BDRM 667 23 December 2020 12: 50
      +5
      Quote: igor1981
      Personally, I try not to buy anything from Azerbaijanis, I don't go to their cafes and stalls where they sell, this is my personal answer to Azerbaijan.

      Yes you are my friend - "everyday nationalist"...

      Please understand correctly, I do not blame you Moreover, your behavior serves as an illustration of the "reaction of the lower classes" to the incomparably clumsy foreign and national policies pursued by our government:
      Quote: BDRM 667
      A human tragedy not avenged within the framework of the law, as a result of such a policy without dotting the "I", sooner or later results in friction with unpredictable consequences on national grounds.
      First to the merchants of a certain nationality, then more.
    3. Suleyman
      Suleyman 23 December 2020 17: 05
      -5
      According to your logic, after January 90 the Azerbaijanis had to tightly close the borders with the Russian Federation and not buy anything from there?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 23 December 2020 23: 29
        +5
        And it is desirable - never to move hundreds of thousands for permanent residence in the country of the occupiers .. Well, oooo very desirable ...
  7. bober1982
    bober1982 23 December 2020 11: 37
    -9
    The Chinese, during flight accidents, do not report anything at all, even the type of aircraft. The Americans say, about a year after the disaster, when all passions subside and the widows burst into tears. The Ukrainians continuously report all the news and nuances about disasters.
    Whoever needs it, they know everything.
  8. bober1982
    bober1982 23 December 2020 11: 43
    -3
    The psyche of the man in the street must be protected, it is not necessary to injure her already traumatized, therefore they do not tell.
    Sit on the couch and stroke your herniated disc, curiosity is a vice.
  9. rjpthju
    rjpthju 23 December 2020 11: 44
    +2
    People grabs. This is how our leadership thinks about its people. And they themselves hawala. Now from the Turks, now from the Azeris. Lived ...
    1. Tank hard
      Tank hard 23 December 2020 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: rjpthju
      People grabs. This is how our leadership thinks about its people.

      If this is the case, then this is a very dangerous delusion. We know examples ...
  10. bar
    bar 23 December 2020 11: 46
    +1
    But it's hard to believe that they don't know the name in Baku

    They know of course. Only they cannot do anything with Turkish citizens, Erdogan is giving up his own.
  11. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 23 December 2020 11: 49
    0
    But it's hard to believe that Baku doesn't know the name of the serviceman who fired the shot at the Russian helicopter and the commander who gave him the order.

    They know, but they won't tell. Maybe our Azerbaijani friends on the VO website will tell you, although it's hard to believe.
    1. apro
      apro 23 December 2020 11: 55
      +3
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Maybe our Azerbaijani friends on the VO website will tell you, although it's hard to believe.

      They have demobilization ...
      1. iouris
        iouris 23 December 2020 14: 51
        0
        Well, they will write to you that it was "friendly fire". What's next?
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 23 December 2020 15: 04
        +1
        Quote: apro
        They have demobilization ...

        Victory, parade, demobilization. It became quiet.
    2. Suleyman
      Suleyman 23 December 2020 17: 17
      -6
      The turntable was shot down directly over the Azerbaijani trenches. On that day, there were battles for Khankendi, and by that time Shusha had been taken 2 days earlier. No aircraft has ever flown in this square before. Despite the fact that this place is the junction of 4 state borders: AR, RA, IRI and TR, the crew did not transmit any signals and did not get in touch. The decision was apparently made instantly. Any "surprise" could be expected from the Armenian side. The fact that it was a mistake is unambiguous. But apparently we never know the details. Well, if you think on a cool head, then the question arises: Why, why and why Azerbaijanis shoot down a Russian helicopter ?!
      I sympathize with the families of the victims.
  12. cniza
    cniza 23 December 2020 11: 56
    +1
    that Moscow and Baku are conducting a close and constructive dialogue on all issues.


    They trade not with Baku, but with Ankara ...
    1. iouris
      iouris 23 December 2020 14: 50
      0
      Bargaining is inappropriate here. Especially if you don't know how to trade.
  13. Normal
    Normal 23 December 2020 12: 10
    -1
    La, if "Komsomolskaya Pravda" did not publish it, it does not mean that they do not know. Those who are supposed to know know. They do not give publicity. But these are political games that the media do not talk about with a blue eye. An ordinary citizen should not know all the preferences that Russia could have from this.
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 23 December 2020 12: 24
    -1
    Here it is already clear that there was a command to open fire, so who should be punished or is it the Turks and Aliyev took the blame in the hope that it would resolve itself. Look for the switchman only.
  15. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 23 December 2020 12: 36
    +1
    And what, many thought that there would be names then a quick and fair trial? Naive Chukchi boys and Turgenev girls!
    We can only hope that the competent comrades will gradually find it, and the specialists, just as quietly, will strangle ...
    1. martin-159
      martin-159 24 December 2020 06: 13
      +1
      Our specialists failed to poison Navalny's cowards properly.
  16. Bradley
    Bradley 23 December 2020 12: 45
    0
    And what will these full names give us? Nothing...
    And then, what's the point? That was?
  17. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 23 December 2020 12: 58
    +4
    At the same time, Major Yuri Ishchuk and Senior Lieutenant Roman Fedin, piloting the car, died. Exactly one and a half months have passed since then, but Baku has not yet reported any, even intermediate, information about the investigation of the incident.

    And where should they, Baku (and Erdogan) hurry, apologized and that's enough Russians will be killed! Vaughn ping .... we have just imposed sanctions on Russian enterprises once again and are not afraid to lose their profitable supplies of Russian rocket engines RD-180 \ 181, know that the Russians will keep silent!
    1. Rusfaner
      Rusfaner 24 December 2020 09: 38
      +2
      "And where should they, Baku (and Erdogan) hurry, they apologized and that's enough, the Russians will interrupt! Get out there .... we have just imposed sanctions on Russian enterprises once again and are not afraid to lose their profitable supplies of Russian RD-180 rocket engines. \ 181, they know that the Russians will keep silent! " (from)

      It means that someone on Olympus is firmly holding the Faberge.
  18. faterdom
    faterdom 23 December 2020 13: 14
    0
    I would not like to think that Baku is going to "slow down" this incident

    What's the matter with Baku?
    We carefully look at the Guarantor - everything about the "brakes" depends only on him.
    It's not for you to hug a panda, whom is it easier for him to offend: his army, the owners of the pipeline through which the oil of Azerbaijan flows, the mighty Armenian diaspora, Erdogan, who got off with "tomatoes" and to whom we are building gas pipelines and nuclear power plants at our expense?
    Here is a litmus test for him: with whom are you, masters of culture?
    But only the army is a constant for the people and the state, the rest is all temporary circumstances, which should be taken into account, if it is worth, that in the second or third place.
  19. Tank hard
    Tank hard 23 December 2020 13: 15
    +2
    A month and a half later, the culprits of the attack on the Russian Mi-24 helicopter have not been named

    This situation is not at all a plus for the leadership of the Russian Federation. The elections are coming soon, and the people are already very tired of some "concerns" that are beginning to take on a chronic nature.
  20. Radikal
    Radikal 23 December 2020 13: 44
    +1
    Quote: Insurgent
    Quote: midivan
    That the work of the Turkish special forces, and Aliyev shields Erdogan and he has little choice ...


    In this case, years will pass, and the public will never know who is to blame.
    And I wonder how strongly the Russian side is demanding detailed information from Azerbaijan about what happened?

    It will be clear in ... a couple of years. sad
    1. Kuzmitsky
      23 December 2020 22: 55
      +1
      When the Iranians shot down a Ukrainian Boeing by mistake, as soon as they figured out the details, they immediately reported everything. including the perpetrators named. It took them, if I’m not mistaken, several days. Moreover, at that moment the situation was also not easy, Tehran was then preparing for a possible US strike, everyone was on the nerves.

      This is who Baku needs to take an example from.
  21. iouris
    iouris 23 December 2020 14: 48
    +1
    The winner is not to blame (and if it is, the winners are not judged). Woe to the vanquished.
  22. Ax Matt
    Ax Matt 23 December 2020 17: 01
    0
    It's time to unscrew the tomatoes. They don't understand differently ...
  23. ZVS
    ZVS 24 December 2020 11: 12
    0
    The culprits will not be named. The Azerbaijanis were shooting, and then Aliyev put noodles on Putin's ears. He calmed down. What is the life of two young guys for him? Just the costs of a military conflict between neighbors. It's not his children who are dying.