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Unmanned aerial vehicles in Israel: reasons for leadership

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Light reconnaissance UAV IAI Bird-Eye 650. Photo by IAI


The world leader in unmanned aviation military complexes deservedly considered Israel. His companies are constantly developing new samples of such equipment of different classes, proposing and implementing original concepts. The Israel Defense Forces already have hundreds of UAVs of different types, and a number of samples are exported and provide their country with the first place in the world market.

Development trends


Israeli work on the topic of UAVs started in the early seventies, has been going on for half a century and, apparently, will never stop. Initially, it was only about light reconnaissance vehicles and radio-controlled targets. Then they mastered other directions and concepts, both already known and proposed independently. As a result of this, to date, Israeli developments in the field of UAVs cover all major classes and niches.

Unmanned aerial vehicles in Israel: reasons for leadership

Launch of the drone Elbit Skylark III. Photo Elbit Systems

A large number of companies with different competencies work in the UAV field. At the same time, only a few of the largest are creating the bulk of projects and serial products. The main manufacturer of such equipment is Israel Aerospace Industries. In second place is Elbit Systems. Other Israeli organizations do not yet have comparable engineering and commercial success.

Israeli companies almost completely meet the needs of the IDF in the UAV. Purchases of foreign equipment are minimal and take place only in certain classes. At the same time, measures are being taken to import substitution of foreign complexes and to create their own analogs, which are often successful.


Launch of the Harop loitering ammunition. Photo by IAI

With their developments, companies are successfully entering the international market. Solid experience and high quality products, often outstripping foreign competitors in terms of characteristics, allow us to regularly win tenders and receive orders. Depending on the customer's requirements, Israeli companies supply ready-made complexes or assembly kits, as well as provide production licenses. To date, more than 50 countries of the world have purchased Israeli UAVs. In recent years, Israel has occupied approx. 40% of the drone market.

For your army


The IDF is armed with several hundred UAVs of different classes; their exact number and breakdown by type are not disclosed for reasons of secrecy. One of the main operators of unmanned aerial vehicles is the ground forces. Their units have a large fleet of various types of unmanned systems. Most of it is made up of reconnaissance UAVs of ultralight and light classes. Also, the army is supplied with the so-called. loitering ammunition - reconnaissance and strike systems capable of conducting reconnaissance and hitting a target with its own warhead.


Hero family products. UVision graphics

UAVs of different classes are used by all branches of the military. Motorized infantry and tank subunits with their help conduct reconnaissance of enemy positions; for the same purpose, UAVs are used by special forces. Infantry and special forces, if necessary, launch loitering ammunition. Artillery units use drones as their primary means of target detection and fire adjustment.

UAVs of the Bird-Eye series from IAI have become widespread in the army. This line includes four products with a take-off weight from 1,3 to 8,5 kg, capable of conducting reconnaissance at ranges up to 10 km from the operator. In recent years, more compact samples, such as the IAI Ghost, etc., have entered service. The IAI Skylark I light and medium Skylark II / III UAVs remain in service.

It is believed that it was Israel that formed and first implemented the modern concept of loitering munitions. As a result, the IDF's ground forces are armed with several complexes of this class. The first was the IAI Harpy. This is a 135-kg drone with a warhead weighing 32 kg, capable of flying 500 km. The newer Harop UAV is lighter and carries a 23-kg warhead, but shows a range of 1000 km.


Medium UAV Elbit Hermes 450. Photo by Elbit Systems

UVision has developed seven lightweight Hero ammunition. In terms of their characteristics, they are inferior to the larger Harpy and Harop, but this provides greater flexibility in the use of combat UAVs. So, the Hero 30 product weighs only 3 kg, carries a warhead weighing 500 g and flies at a distance of up to 40 km. The largest representative of the line, the Hero 900 stays in the air for up to 7 hours, carries a 20-kg warhead and is capable of patrolling within a radius of 250 km from the operator. Some of Hero products have been accepted for trial operation.

Air Force equipment


The Israeli ground forces lack medium and heavy UAVs. Such systems, the operation of which imposes certain restrictions on basing and launching, are supplied to the Air Force. It is known about the existence of at least 3-5 reconnaissance and strike unmanned squadrons on vehicles of various types. In addition, the Air Force is armed with loitering ammunition.


Heavy Hermes 900. Photo by Elbit Systems

In the middle and heavy classes, the Hermes family from Elbit Systems is represented. Hermes 90/450/900 drones have a take-off weight of 115 to 1100 kg and are capable of carrying a load of 25-350 kg. Long flight duration is provided, but the combat radius is limited by the characteristics of the communication system. UAVs of three types are used for optical and electronic reconnaissance, for relaying signals, etc. The largest Hermes 900 can carry some types of guided weapons.

Several heavy UAVs IAI Heron entered service. This vehicle has a mass of 1,15 tons and carries a payload of 250 kg. A large supply of fuel and an economical engine allow it to fly up to 50-52 hours. The load consists of optical or radio-electronic means.


UAV of heavy class IAI Heron. Photo by IAI

The largest and heaviest in the IDF Air Force is the IAI Eitan / Heron TP UAV. This is a machine with a wing span of 26 m and a take-off weight of 5,4 tons, of which up to 1-2 tons falls on the payload. Eitan develops a speed of over 400 km / h and can remain in the air for over 30 hours. Reportedly, such a UAV is capable of performing reconnaissance and strike missions. Moreover, this type of technique has already been used in real operations.

Leadership reasons


For many years, Israel has deservedly been considered at least one of the world leaders in the field of unmanned aerial vehicles. This is confirmed both by the widespread use of such equipment in his own army, and by the large number of foreign orders. It’s easy to see that there are several key factors behind this success.


Eitan is Israel's heaviest reconnaissance and strike UAV. Photo by IAI

The first is a fairly early start of work. By the time some other countries were just considering the possibility of developing UAVs, the Israeli industry already had a lot of experience in this area. In addition, the IDF command quickly assessed the potential and prospects of the unmanned direction and provided the necessary support. Due to her, the development of projects was accelerated, and new samples were adopted for service, helping to gain experience.

The systematic and constant development of the defense industry as a whole and its individual branches over time created a large reserve for the development of promising UAVs with higher characteristics. At first, only the IDF used this, and then Israeli companies managed to enter the international market, where their successful developments found their place.

To date, Israel has become one of the world's largest manufacturers and operators of military unmanned aerial vehicles. Moreover, this country performs well in the international market. The events of recent years and current developments suggest that this situation will continue in the future.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2020 18: 08
    +21
    What can I say ... some of the fantasy lovers wanted, could, make it come true.
    Well done.
    1. Lexus
      Lexus 24 December 2020 01: 40
      +5
      While others on the noodles have realized themselves unsuccessfully.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 December 2020 09: 18
        -1
        And that noodles, my favorite product, are not scourge sets of course, but such a real egg good
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 24 December 2020 03: 31
      +6
      Quote: rocket757
      some of the fans of fantasy wanted, could, make it come true.

      The guys were not overwhelmed by the mind. but according to the article:
      Leadership reasons

      The main ones, in my opinion, are: the patriots of Israel in the Israeli elite and the unyielding political will of the elite. The rest is important, but secondary.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 December 2020 09: 23
        0
        Work hard, work hard, create demanded products.
        Of course, to prove that your products are needed, effective and so on, so on ...
        They succeeded, now they are "on horseback", of course, do not stop there. A good example for the rest.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 24 December 2020 09: 26
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          Work hard, work hard, create demanded products.
          Of course, to prove that your products are needed, effective and so on, so on ...
          In the USSR, all this was ... the elite, at least half as in Israel, was gone, and everything went to dust.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 December 2020 09: 48
            +3
            If only ... it is useless to argue.
            In fact, there was a "disease", gigantism! For the big one very often they did not notice the small one !!!
            And so in all the circles of children's creativity, aircraft models were made! There were small motors, and the pioneers did all sorts of steering machines, control panels, etc., etc.! The competition was ...
            In short, there was a system of TRAINING, EDUCATION, future designers, engineers, pilots ... through which those boys may have gone, who later created a whole line of production there ...
            1. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 24 December 2020 09: 57
              -3
              Quote: rocket757
              In fact, there was a "disease", gigantism! For the big one very often they did not notice the small one !!!
              There were UAVs in the Union.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 December 2020 10: 20
                -2
                Suppose "Buran", some others, the same UAV, only big!
                The question is what do you mean .....
                1. Vladimir_2U
                  Vladimir_2U 24 December 2020 10: 23
                  0
                  "Bee", look, do not be lazy. 5 years later than the Israeli age. That is if different Tu are counted as monstrous giants, of course.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 24 December 2020 12: 36
                    0
                    1990 and what was going on with us then, developing well ???
                    "dashing" those years to admit, this is great optimism, a fantasy to have ... a catastrophe and the only way!
                    Hooked a large part of the country's population, production, science, and in general everything, everything.
                    1. alaarsen
                      alaarsen 12 February 2021 12: 54
                      +1
                      So already 30 years have passed - how much longer will we nod in the 90s? I have already cited an example - 1945 -1975 ... and during this time there were already unprecedented oil prices - it reached $ 145. if desired, it was possible to restore everything and go further. China builds the entire road network of Russia every 6 years. / Without oil and gas ..
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 12 February 2021 13: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: alaarsen
                        so 30 years have passed - how much longer will we nod in the 90s?

                        So it happens in different ways ... someone nods, and someone works, does the job.
                      2. alaarsen
                        alaarsen 12 February 2021 13: 17
                        +1
                        Well, here I am about this - it can be seen who works, and who is looking for all the reasons ...
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 12 February 2021 13: 21
                        0
                        This is true, you see everything, you can easily find it ... in our age of information accessibility!
                        Therefore, we see that everything is very different with us.
                      4. alaarsen
                        alaarsen 13 February 2021 19: 22
                        0
                        everything is different? sounds very optimistic ..
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 February 2021 20: 17
                        0
                        It’s too early to put an end to it, the processes are also different and it’s not clear how long it takes to reach the extreme result.
  • Intruder
    Intruder 24 December 2020 12: 10
    -1
    Money and the correct position of the leadership always do "miracles" in the long term, especially in military affairs and in various technologies used!
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 24 December 2020 12: 38
      0
      Should we not know this ... we just look at the top, everything is confused, in different ways ... there is no order.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 24 December 2020 13: 24
        0
        here, rather, the upper classes already do not want to change anything, while a lot of oil flows from the pipe and gas is well sold to the West, and the lower classes uncomplainingly watch ... a maximum of a couple of meetings with plastic glasses "with the aerodynamic properties of a falling stone" and leisurely trips in paddy wagons to imposition of another fine, in favor of statehood in a separate territory! :)
  • Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 23 December 2020 18: 10
    -27%
    The world leader in the field of unmanned aerial systems for military purposes deservedly Israel is considered.

    This article is for advertising purposes, or what?
    Do these guys have their own Hunter in development?
    And what is 40% of the global market?
    Those. is it claimed that 40% of the cost of drones is produced in Israel? I don’t think ..
    1. Lighten
      Lighten 23 December 2020 18: 50
      -17%
      These guys started on the developments exported from the union in the early 90s. Well, then we got our own experience.
      1. ism_ek
        ism_ek 23 December 2020 21: 10
        -4
        I confirm. An acquaintance works for UZGA. They agreed to collect Israeli drones. Technicians came from Israel. Not a single Jew, everyone speaks Russian.
        At one time, a whole department left Perm motors for Israel, which was engaged in drone engines.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 23 December 2020 22: 03
          +8
          Quote: ism_ek
          I confirm. An acquaintance works for UZGA. They agreed to collect Israeli drones. Technicians came from Israel. Not a single Jew, everyone speaks Russian.
          At one time, a whole department left Perm motors for Israel, which was engaged in drone engines.

          It was their happiness that Russian-speaking people came, otherwise they would have learned Hebrew. laughing lol
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 24 December 2020 14: 33
            -1
            would learn Hebrew
            and cook kosher food winked wink
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 24 December 2020 05: 55
          +4
          Quote: ism_ek
          Technicians came from Israel. Not a single Jew, everyone speaks Russian.

          How many Jews I met in the USSR, everyone spoke Russian. Even those old people whose mother tongue was Yiddish. And in America, the majority of Russian-speaking Jews.
        3. avib
          avib 24 December 2020 12: 55
          -1
          Lucky. Otherwise I would have to communicate in English through an interpreter. In Israel, any engineer is fluent in English, but in Russia I hardly think so.
          There are many immigrants in Israel from different countries and it is customary, whenever possible, for international projects - to communicate with customers - to involve "native speakers". This makes customers more comfortable and builds stronger relationships and trust.


          How many Jews were there in Perm that a whole department went to Israel !? Even Chernivtsi would not have pulled such a thing.

          We left and lost our UAV production in Russia. Well, nothing new. It is always known who is to blame.
        4. Intruder
          Intruder 24 December 2020 14: 35
          -3
          At one time, a whole department left Perm motors for Israel, which was engaged in drone engines.
          managed to leave and provide themselves with work and not sickly wages, well done in a cube ....!
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 24 December 2020 00: 31
        +4
        Quote: Levius
        These guys started on the developments exported from the union in the early 90s. Well, then we got our own experience.

        Back in 1982, the Jews carried out the Syrian air defense system in the Bekaa Valley in Lebanon with massive use of drones.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19
        1. mmaxx
          mmaxx 24 December 2020 04: 13
          -1
          I wanted to write the same thing. And after all, what is interesting: we did not really scratch anyone at that time. We worked and quit.
        2. ism_ek
          ism_ek 24 December 2020 23: 41
          0
          Have you read the text on the link?
          Firstly, the information in the article was taken from the website of Radio Liberty and some Israeli website.
          Secondly, even there it says that only reconnaissance was carried out with the help of the UAV, and not all of them.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 25 December 2020 06: 39
            -1
            Quote: ism_ek
            using the UAV, only reconnaissance was carried out

            In your opinion, is the use of UAVs for reconnaissance and target designation not use? Give the drums right away? I remind you that it was 1982, and Brezhnev spent his days in the Kremlin.
      3. onstar9
        onstar9 24 December 2020 09: 29
        -1
        Quote: Levius
        These guys started on the developments exported from the union in the early 90s. Well, then we got our own experience.

        Well, this is how the Jews in the USSR created basically all the developments. Then they took their knowledge with them and left ... Who "took" what from whom?
        1. avib
          avib 24 December 2020 13: 02
          +4
          They twirled the drawings straight into the tubes and took them out. And they left nothing.

          My father worked with a clearance. To apply to leave, he had to quit the factory and work as a watchman in a kindergarten for a year. The USSR directly made it possible to take out something. Yes, the Jews were not allowed to anything serious, for they were not reliable !!
          1. Aag
            Aag 24 December 2020 14: 31
            -2
            Quote: avib
            They twirled the drawings straight into the tubes and took them out. And they left nothing.

            My father worked with a clearance. To apply to leave, he had to quit the factory and work as a watchman in a kindergarten for a year. The USSR directly made it possible to take out something. Yes, the Jews were not allowed to anything serious, for they were not reliable !!

            Look at the problem (or rather, at the fact that has already taken place) more broadly: "they" took it all out not in tubes, although this happened during EBN, but in their heads !! To Israel (Canada, Germany, USA).
            ... Soviet education, the often-mentioned circles ... Sometimes, belief in one's own underestimation ... Unfortunately, the process has not yet faded away. (((
            1. avib
              avib 24 December 2020 16: 50
              +3
              Don't wishful thinking. With all due respect to the Soviet engineering school- 1. Israel has its own engineering school no worse than the USSR had. 2. They did not take the new arrivals to any defense enterprises - they are afraid of spies in Israel.

              But the children of repatriates have really entered the defense industry and other high-tech industries on a very large scale - such upbringing. The locals are more advocacy, economics, business - immigrants from the USSR - more in the engineer, doctors - out of habit.
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 24 December 2020 12: 11
        -1
        These guys started on developments exported from the union in the early 90s
        Well, good fellows that they were able to take to another country and develop there, who, who remained in the Russian Federation of the 90s, prevented them from doing the same !?
      5. Artunis
        Artunis 24 December 2020 12: 38
        0
        And not only, that's who is interested in watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7n2lz8p4K0
      6. Aag
        Aag 24 December 2020 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Levius
        These guys started on the developments exported from the union in the early 90s. Well, then we got our own experience.

        I don't even know why you have so many disadvantages request ... Is that for the Union with a capital, small letter ...
    2. lucul
      lucul 23 December 2020 19: 36
      -15%
      This article is for advertising purposes, or what?

      Direct advertising booklet)))
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 24 December 2020 13: 25
        0
        otherwise, rightly so, a good product needs good advertising! hi
    3. venik
      venik 23 December 2020 22: 25
      +2
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      what is 40% of the world market?
      Those. is it claimed that 40% of the cost of drones is produced in Israel? I don’t think ..

      ========
      Perhaps this means 40% of world trade (export) of UAVs. This already looks like the truth.
    4. madsnail1242
      madsnail1242 18 February 2021 02: 00
      0
      A country with a population of 9 million people, of which only half are working, has captured 40% of the global UAV market - isn't that an achievement? And "Hunter", which you have in a single copy and then - "takeoff-landing", leave it with you, it is unnecessary for us. Until ...
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 23 December 2020 18: 10
    +12
    And where are the results of combat use? After all, there are a lot of them, and since 1982. The author again dumped a crude note.
    1. ximkim
      ximkim 23 December 2020 18: 24
      -20%
      Quote: Aviator_
      And where are the results of combat use? After all, there are a lot of them, and since 1982. The author again dumped a crude note.

      Why do you need to know the results of combat use?
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 23 December 2020 18: 33
        +23
        Quote: ximkim
        Quote: Aviator_
        And where are the results of combat use? After all, there are a lot of them, and since 1982. The author again dumped a crude note.

        Why do you need to know the results of combat use?


        And then that:
        1. This is a near-war portal. where 5 years ago it was customary to at least somehow understand exactly in technology. and not in shakketstvo ...
        2. The results of the actual combat use show whose UAV concept, whose UAV production, whose UAV application scheme, which UAVs, implemented certain tasks and when and in what conditions ...
        Based on this, any technically competent person who is able to look at the world systematically - a conclusion is drawn about the role and facts of this or that concept. In combat conditions, not at a parade, not on paper "unparalleled in the world", etc.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 24 December 2020 12: 14
          0
          Based on this, any technically competent person who is able to look at the world systematically - a conclusion is drawn about the role and facts of this or that concept. In combat conditions
          Duc, most of them, here and on other resources are not at all technically competent "people", so the destiny, only in the field: chapmetry and "those who do not have analogs", I hope I have not opened the sacred secret now !? :)
      2. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 23 December 2020 19: 18
        +15
        Why do you need to know the results of combat use?

        Firstly, this site is called "Military Review" - did you know?
        Secondly, it was the actions of the Israeli UAVs in the Lebanon War of 1982 that allowed Israel to knock out the entire Syrian air defense system.
        1. ximkim
          ximkim 23 December 2020 19: 21
          -14%
          Secondly, it was the actions of the Israeli UAVs in the Lebanon War of 1982 that allowed Israel to knock out the entire Syrian air defense
          And?
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 23 December 2020 19: 25
            +19
            And that's all. For at first, no one paid attention to these buzzing aircraft models, and when the Jews suddenly began to fall into complexes that did not even include anything on the radiation, they had to think about what it would be. And that was 40 years ago.
            1. ximkim
              ximkim 23 December 2020 19: 29
              -3
              Quote: Aviator_
              And that's all. For at first, no one paid attention to these buzzing aircraft models, and when the Jews suddenly began to fall into complexes that did not even include anything on the radiation, they had to think about what it would be. And that was 40 years ago.

              Here's the job.
              Firstly, this site is called "Military Review" - did you know?
              Well, they don't like to advertise their work and development.
            2. Intruder
              Intruder 24 December 2020 12: 19
              0
              For at first, no one paid attention to these buzzing aircraft models, and when the Jews suddenly began to fall into complexes that did not even include anything on the radiation, they had to think about what it would be. And that was 40 years ago.
              By the way, these same aircraft models, by the way, also come in different classes: from children's toys (sold in any store) to professional sports models (with used turbojet and theater engines) for international competitions, and there are so many avionics crammed in there that a military drone will envy any average lousy ...
              I had to think about what it would be. And it was 40 years ago
              so it is immediately clear that 40 years of evolution were not in vain, in this area of ​​the gloomy Israeli and Turkish genius :)
        2. mr.ZinGer
          mr.ZinGer 23 December 2020 19: 51
          +2
          Let's all the same with the fact and chronology
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 23 December 2020 20: 46
            +16
            Quote: mr.ZinGer
            Let's all the same with the fact and chronology

            Operation "Medvedka-19" to defeat the Syrian air defense forces and assets "Feda" stationed in Lebanon, began at 4:9 am on June 1982, XNUMX.
            Further, a small text describing the beginning of the operation.
            1. A. Privalov
              A. Privalov 23 December 2020 21: 34
              +13
              For those interested in the topic, I can somewhere lay out the article "Israeli unmanned aircraft" from the magazine "Foreign Military Review" No. 11 for 1982. Quite a decent article written by Colonel I. Mironov. Incidentally, the first in the official military press.
              Pay attention to the benediction which this article begins. Everything that was written about Israel had to invariably begin with shamanic rituals and curses against it.
              1. Intruder
                Intruder 24 December 2020 12: 25
                -5
                "Israeli unmanned aircraft" from the magazine "Foreign Military Review" No. 11 for 1982.
                and forge? Who needs this "imperishable" 38 years ago, everything has gone ahead a long time ago, except for the possibly general aerodynamic concepts of the airframe according to the classics, so to speak ..., but the materials used (polymers, composites and others) of this very airframe, avionics: telemetry modules and navigation, such as: all sorts of autonomous SINS and GNSS, and engines, there was no such thing in 1982, only for a personal collection, if purely nastalgic ...
                1. Aag
                  Aag 24 December 2020 14: 48
                  +1
                  Quote: Intruder
                  "Israeli unmanned aircraft" from the magazine "Foreign Military Review" No. 11 for 1982.
                  and forge? Who needs this "imperishable" 38 years ago, everything has gone ahead a long time ago, except for the possibly general aerodynamic concepts of the airframe according to the classics, so to speak ..., but the materials used (polymers, composites and others) of this very airframe, avionics: telemetry modules and navigation, such as: all sorts of autonomous SINS and GNSS, and engines, there was no such thing in 1982, only for a personal collection, if purely nastalgic ...

                  It seems that you are just a nihilist, and do not put the experience of previous generations into anything ... It seems like, yes, okay, fill YOUR bruises and bumps, ignoring the experience of the previous ones. (There were many who believed that the striking current strength, speeding, overloading, etc., are not about them), only the cost of an error can be fatal ... hi
                  1. Intruder
                    Intruder 24 December 2020 15: 21
                    0
                    You are just a nihilist
                    rather a pragmatic realist ... :)
                    and the experience of previous generations don't count
                    I appreciate and deeply respect, but trying to critically analyze and not use the very same: "old rake in deep grass", on which you also have to walk ... in complete darkness - so to speak ... :)
                    1. Aag
                      Aag 24 December 2020 17: 25
                      +1
                      Quote: Intruder
                      You are just a nihilist
                      rather a pragmatic realist ... :)
                      and the experience of previous generations don't count
                      I appreciate and deeply respect, but trying to critically analyze and not use the very same: "old rake in deep grass", on which you also have to walk ... in complete darkness - so to speak ... :)

                      Thank you for your time, the answer ... I can't say, but it looks like you are a person looking for ... Truth, truth, yourself in this world (it is possible, sorry, the most delicious clubs in this "clearing" ... (sorry, there were, there are such, - and this must be taken into account.).
                      However, everyone will find their own rating on the chosen forum ..
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 24 December 2020 21: 07
                        +1
                        Thanks for your time, answer
                        Not at all, but thanks - it's expensive! :)
                        but it looks like you are a person seeking .. the truth, the truth, yourself in this world
                        hmm, rather - I'm a wanderer of Destiny ...
                        sorry, there were, there are such, - and this must be taken into account.).
                        no excuses, everything happens and can be in this, such a difficult universe!
                        My respect ... and a plus!
                      2. Aag
                        Aag 25 December 2020 05: 36
                        +1
                        "... My respect ... and a plus sign! ..."
                        Mutually.
              2. A. Privalov
                A. Privalov 24 December 2020 15: 17
                +5
                Quote: Intruder
                and forge?

                It also clearly and distinctly says that this is not for you, my dear, but "For those interested in the topic." Here, many people read with interest articles about the first tanks, their use, performance characteristics, etc. It turned out that they are also interested in the first drones. I sent them in a personal the materials I have.
                That article is also interesting because after almost forty years, many countries can neither create nor apply anything even similar to those old drones. hi
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 24 December 2020 15: 28
                  -1
                  nor even use anything like those old drones.
                  maybe until the time has come, for those countries? So they save on the military budget - here and now, but when the "fried rooster ..." then they will simply and rather quickly buy samples of the necessary products, through intermediaries, copy legally or illegally, and everything rushed into serial production. on the experience of foreign partners ...
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 24 December 2020 19: 50
                    0
                    Quote: Intruder
                    nor even use anything like those old drones.
                    maybe until the time has come, for those countries? So they save on the military budget - here and now, but when the "fried rooster ..." then they will simply and rather quickly buy samples of the necessary products, through intermediaries, copy legally or illegally, and everything rushed into serial production. on the experience of foreign partners ...


                    Don't talk nonsense.

                    You can copy only then. when you yourself are at the same level of development.
                    For you understand what the designer has made, from what materials. what technologies are used and much more.

                    And if you have zero experience, and you are just now thinking about copying products 40 years ago - and with our UAV - this is exactly the case - then I dare to assure you that we are about 50 years behind ...

                    And we will not pass further.
                    For modern UAVs - we will not be able to repeat.
                    We do not have the same electronics, we do not have the same connection, we do not have an understanding of the concept of application. Which they have been developing since the 70s and tested for the last 40 years on living vehicles, targets ...
                    1. Intruder
                      Intruder 24 December 2020 21: 17
                      +1
                      You can copy only then. when you yourself are at the same level of development.
                      I absolutely agree with you, but who said that copying people do not have the same level !? I never said that, and I won't say ... by the way !?
                      And if you have zero experience, and you are just now thinking about copying products 40 years ago - and with our UAV - this is exactly the case - then I dare to assure you that we are about 50 years behind ...
                      They took it straight from the tongue, honestly, I also think and it is possible that our "UAV" so to speak, in general, and initially foreign legs in development and in production (they were and are, will be in the future), as it was already with all sorts: "Frigates ", and Zala-like developments in 2015-2016, as far as I remember .. by the way :)
                      And we will not pass further.
                      For modern UAVs - we will not be able to repeat.
                      We do not have the same electronics, we do not have the same connection, we do not have an understanding of the concept of application.
                      Again to the point, but we cannot get through, they will not take us there, because it is unnecessary that a gas station and a gas pipe have similar technologies and competencies, why is this necessary !?
                      Something on all counts, I agree with you .... :) tomorrow it will fill everything up with snow ...
                      All the best and health, with Coming you ...
                    2. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 24 December 2020 21: 21
                      +2
                      Quote: Intruder
                      tomorrow it will cover everything with snow ...
                      All the best and health, with Coming you ...


                      I was overwhelmed with a minus 44 ...
                      I point to something to go to Noyabrsk ...
                      will have to wait 3 days at the hotel.

                      Ivam all the best! And New Year! Good! For all of us!
                    3. Intruder
                      Intruder 24 December 2020 22: 02
                      0
                      I point to something to go to Noyabrsk ...
                      will have to wait 3 days at the hotel.
                      I sympathize with you (in NG to be at -44 and in a hotel ... far from home ...), really, for many years I lived in the south of Siberia and only a few times in winter, I experienced 42 on my carcass, so now, only Quiet Ocean and West Coast ... in the second half of life ...
  • venik
    venik 23 December 2020 22: 31
    0
    Quote: Aviator_
    And where are the results of combat use? After all, there are a lot of them, and since 1982. The author again dumped a crude note.

    =========
    But according to the results - everything is dull here! Data so contradictorythat it is simply IMPOSSIBLE to make at least some objective picture. At least something may be known except perhaps in the intelligence units of the General Staffs or the War Ministries, will they say so?
  • Vitaly gusin
    Vitaly gusin 23 December 2020 23: 06
    +5
    Quote: Aviator_
    And where are the results of combat use?

    You know that Israel does not advertise its actions on this there is very little open information.
    The Chief of the General Staff said in a report over the past year that about 500 targets at various targets were hit by the Air Force and 70% of the flight time was carried out by UAVs.
  • alpamys
    alpamys 23 December 2020 18: 19
    -13%
    Recently, the Germans successfully tested a device that not only cuts off the operator from the drone, but also gives the drone the command to change course and fly to the launch site. lol good
    I understand this, it has no analogues in the world.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 23 December 2020 18: 34
      +15
      Quote: alpamys
      Recently, the Germans successfully tested a device that not only cuts off the operator from the drone, but also gives the drone the command to change course and fly to the launch site. lol good
      I understand this, it has no analogues in the world.

      What nonsense ...
    2. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer 23 December 2020 19: 52
      +6
      Please be specific and preferably a link.
  • svp67
    svp67 23 December 2020 18: 38
    +12
    A vision of the battlefield of the future, an understanding of the development of weapons systems, a desire to save the very dear life of your soldier, the political will of the leadership, supported by large monetary injections, including in education and science, these are the reasons for leadership
  • Alien From
    Alien From 23 December 2020 18: 45
    +7
    The reasons for their leadership: 1) Desire to survive. 2) Brains. 3) Money. 4) Access to technology. 5) Jews .....
  • ximkim
    ximkim 23 December 2020 18: 49
    -5
    Quote: SovAr238A
    Quote: ximkim
    Quote: Aviator_
    And where are the results of combat use? After all, there are a lot of them, and since 1982. The author again dumped a crude note.

    Why do you need to know the results of combat use?


    And then that:
    1. This is a near-war portal. where 5 years ago it was customary to at least somehow understand exactly in technology. and not in shakketstvo ...
    2. The results of the actual combat use show whose UAV concept, whose UAV production, whose UAV application scheme, which UAVs, implemented certain tasks and when and in what conditions ...
    Based on this, any technically competent person who is able to look at the world systematically - a conclusion is drawn about the role and facts of this or that concept. In combat conditions, not at a parade, not on paper "unparalleled in the world", etc.

    1. The portal says that not every manufacturer speaks openly about their technology.
    2. Not every country wants to talk about production and how it was applied in work.
    On the basis of everything, the country does its business without: noise, dust, smell. and parades do not suit "no one in the world"
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 23 December 2020 20: 38
      +1
      not every manufacturer speaks openly about their technology.
      only the manufacturer sucking from the budget does not say, everyone else does not have the ability to hide achievements
      Not every country wants to talk about production and how it was applied at work.
      depends on who is the object of power in this country, and who is the subject. In many countries, the lack of accountability to taxpayers is simply unacceptable and unthinkable.
      Based on everything, the country does its thing
      The country is just an abstract piece of land with a living population. Things are done by very specific people with very specific personal motives and extremely limited opportunities.
  • ccsr
    ccsr 23 December 2020 19: 14
    -15%
    Author:
    Ryabov Kirill
    Israel has now become one of the world's largest manufacturers and operators of military unmanned aerial vehicles.

    All Israeli developments, even in total, do not reach the American RQ-4 Global Hawk. Therefore, we can certainly praise everything Israeli, but from a military point of view, their developments are not so advanced that we should be guided by them.
    And in general, after the "creation" of Kfir, any competent specialist understands that Israel is not the country that can lead in the aerospace field, because the ears of leading Western companies are visible in all their developments. But the little things for them is the most, especially if it is promoted in all directions. In order not to create illusions, it is enough just to know how many specialists work in the leading Israeli military-industrial complex companies, and everything immediately becomes clear to specialists.
    1. andreykolesov123
      andreykolesov123 23 December 2020 19: 42
      -10%
      That's right, it's a shame to be guided by a pitiful bunch of Zionists.
    2. Vitaly gusin
      Vitaly gusin 23 December 2020 20: 06
      +13
      Quote: ccsr
      just to know how many specialists work in the leading Israeli military-industrial complex companies, and everything immediately becomes clear to the specialists.

      FOR SPECIALISTS AND IN REALITY, EVERYTHING IS CLEAR, IN DIFFERENCE FROM UNSUCCESSFUL PROMOTORS.

      In total, there are more than 500 companies (total number of employed about 150 thousand people). Direct suppliers of weapons and military equipment of the day of the country's armed forces and foreign customers are 130 companies
      State corporation Israel Aerospace Industries form companies engaged in the development, production, repair and modernization of rocket and space systems, anti-missile defense systems, anti-tank and anti-ship complexes, UAVs and other aircraft (AT), boats, as well as electronic equipment. The corporation occupies a leading position in the world market for modernization of various types of foreign-made ATs. The number of employed is about 16 thousand people.
      Private corporation Elbit Systems is engaged in the production of missile weapons, modern UAVs, a wide range of ammunition, aviation and ship simulators, navigation equipment, electro-optical systems for civil and military aviation, as well as communications. There are about 20 subsidiaries, including those working abroad. The number of employees in the corporation is about 12 thousand people.
      Israel's rocket and space industry has five manufacturing facilities and one repair facility.
      The production of the Jericho-3 MRBM, Jericho OTP and Laura was launched at the plant of the Missiles and Space Group of Israel Aerospace Industries in Lod. RBI "Gabriel". ATGM "Lahat" and "Nimrod", anti-missile "Arrow", as well as the corresponding launchers and complexes. In addition, the three-stage Shavit launch vehicles and the Ofek, Eros and Teksar reconnaissance satellites are manufactured here.
      The Rafael Advanced Defense Systems Ltd corporation in Haifa manufactures Piton and Derby missile launchers, Iron Dom missile defense systems with Tamir missiles, and David Sling systems with Stanner missiles, ATGMs and ATGMs. Spike ", as well as shipborne SAM systems with Barak missiles.

      The priority area of ​​the Israeli aviation industry is the development and production of reconnaissance, attack and multipurpose unmanned aerial vehicles. Their production volumes fully meet the needs of the national armed forces and large export deliveries.

      The Aeronotics Defense Systems plant in Yavne develops and produces reconnaissance UAVs of the Aerostar, Orbiter and Dominator series.

      The Malat Division of Israel Aerospace Industries in Lod specializes in the production of Ranger, Hunter, Heron / Super Heron aircraft. "Surcher" Mk 3, "IView-2" and series "Bird Eye", as well as drums "Harop" and "Harpy".
      THIS IS NOT ALL
      http://factmil.com/publ/strana/izrail/voennaja_promyshlennost_izrailja_2020/36-1-0-1732
      Quote: ccsr
      In order not to build illusions

      You have to read a lot and not deceive yourself and try to deceive others.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 23 December 2020 20: 15
        -14%
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        In total, there are more than 500 companies in the production of military equipment (the total number of employees is about 150 thousand people).

        You don't have to go any further, especially if you yourself write that only 130 companies are directly related to the military-industrial complex.
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        You have to read a lot and not deceive yourself and try to deceive others.

        I think that you will never read what I had to read in due time, including on the capabilities of the Israeli military-industrial complex. So keep on burning - you are still that propagandist, though your propaganda always smacks of lies, and this is striking. All the same, what can Israel put at least next to the American Global Hawk?
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 23 December 2020 20: 30
          +21
          Quote: ccsr
          All the same, what can Israel put at least next to the American Global Hawk?

          And Israel has never aimed at this niche. For the IDF, such a UAV is redundant and has no buyers on the foreign market.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 23 December 2020 20: 34
            -18%
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            And Israel has never aimed at this niche. For the IDF, such a UAV is redundant and has no buyers on the foreign market.

            This means that the words about "Israel's leadership" are just ordinary chatter of narrow-minded propagandists like Gusin.
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 23 December 2020 21: 20
              +17
              Quote: ccsr
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              And Israel has never aimed at this niche. For the IDF, such a UAV is redundant and has no buyers on the foreign market.

              This means that the words about "Israel's leadership" are just ordinary chatter of narrow-minded propagandists like Gusin.

              Well, chatter and chatter. Why be so nervous?
            2. Danila46
              Danila46 23 December 2020 21: 54
              +7
              If you know so much about the Israeli military-industrial complex, then you probably managed to notice that this military-industrial complex creates weapons sharpened precisely for the local theater of operations. Starting from small arms to the Air Force and Air Defense. And if Israel does not have such a drone as the Global Hawk, this does not at all mean its NOT leadership in this area. He's just not so cool here. But Americans are drooling over Israeli small UAVs and barrage shells and willingly buy them for their specific goals and objectives. And here's another thing. What Israel puts on the world market is far from all that it has in stock. We keep aces up our sleeve ...
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 24 December 2020 17: 14
                -2
                Quote: Danila46
                But Americans are drooling over Israeli small UAVs and barrage shells and willingly buy them for their specific goals and objectives.

                For almost twenty years, the Americans have been buying rocket engines from us, not from Israel, despite all the sanctions, and this is the best way to tell who is worth what in this world. Yes, and our ships fly to the ISS. But you can still think that the 200 km of the Israeli theater of operations is something important for the rest of the world - it makes me laugh at your ideas about such cases.
                Quote: Danila46
                if you know so much about the Israeli military-industrial complex,

                I knew once, and what is interesting, they seriously passed, compared to what they had in the 70-80s. They did not create Silicon Valley, the clever ones left for the USA and Europe, and those who remained did not have the base to create something serious in weapons and military equipment. And slowly they themselves gave up the idea of ​​becoming a leader. But they learned how to puff out their cheeks, that's why people like you are bought by their PR.
                1. Danila46
                  Danila46 24 December 2020 17: 58
                  -1
                  I spoke somewhere about the world leadership of Israel in ALL teznologies ???
                  It seemed to me that Israel's leadership in the UAV is being discussed here.
                  Americans can buy rocket motors anywhere. I do not argue that if their choice fell on the Russian ones, then they are the best. But I will also say that Israel launches its satellites with its own rockets with its own engines. Maybe they are worse in something Russian, but they do their job one hundred percent.
                  At the same time, the moment is not far off when the Americans will launch their station into space. The contract with Roscosmos ends in 2024 and no one is going to renew it yet ....
                  Maybe 200 km of the Israeli theater of operations is nothing on a global scale, only dozens of countries are queuing up for Israeli weapons, and this is not Syria with Libya, etc., but countries with a much greater status and solvency ...
                  Yes. Many techies left Israel for the states for large fees, but for some reason, Americans are still the first in line for Israeli startups and technologies.
                  But about the cheeks, I do not agree with you at all. How Russian PR people can puff their cheeks when advertising the Armata or the Su-57! Products that are very scary, but only on paper. I hope so far. But it takes a very long time. The same is with the s-400. It’s very scary, but so far it hasn’t shot down anything ... s-200 shot down more, and in fact it is much worse. And how does everyone (especially Americans) shake with fear when these woodwaves of yours are mentioned. Very funny! Well, of course you make your chest a wheel, and tear your vests off. Laugh out loud !!!
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 24 December 2020 18: 45
                    -2
                    Quote: Danila46
                    It seemed to me that Israel's leadership in the UAV is being discussed here.

                    Is it really important to us? Well, there is no Israeli leadership - they are nothing like what the US can do or Russia will not do. Do you like football in the yard - yes to your health. Just do not convince that it is more interesting than the World Cup.
                    Quote: Danila46
                    At the same time, the moment is not far off when the Americans will launch their station into space.

                    Stop talking about the future - look better at what is happening now and why the Americans still buy our engines under their sanctions.
                    Quote: Danila46
                    Maybe 200 km of the Israeli theater of operations is nothing on a global scale, only dozens of countries are queuing up for Israeli weapons, and this is not Syria with Libya, etc., but countries with a much greater status and solvency ...

                    Dream about Great Israel - it was fashionable in the sixties, but the idea somehow failed ...
                    Quote: Danila46
                    Laugh out loud !!!

                    Just don't tear your navel with laughter ...
                    1. Danila46
                      Danila46 24 December 2020 22: 08
                      -3
                      judging by everything that you have written here, I am dealing with a very stubborn sofa expert. Only you are sitting on a cot, and foaming at your mouth claim that you are on the couch. Only a completed urJapatriot can belittle Israel's achievements in science and technology, and not recognize its leadership in certain areas. And it doesn't even make me laugh. Sorry for you ...
                      1. madsnail1242
                        madsnail1242 18 February 2021 02: 12
                        0
                        You are dealing with an ordinary anti-Semite, not an expert, all that moves him is the inferiority complex of the "great and mighty" in front of the "small but cunning" nation ...
            3. mmaxx
              mmaxx 24 December 2020 04: 19
              +2
              82nd year and speaks of the leadership of Israel. And the use of UAVs. And buying their samples by us. Etc.
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 00: 02
          +5
          Quote: ccsr
          You don't have to go any further, especially if you yourself write that only 130 companies are directly related to the military-industrial complex.

          Once again.
          In total, in the production of military equipment (military products), there are more than 500 companies!!!!!!!!

          Quote: ccsr
          if you yourself write that only 130 companies are directly related to the military-industrial complex.

          MIC is YOU WRITE
          And I wrote
          Immediate SUPPLIERS Military weapons and military equipment of the day of the country's armed forces and foreign customers are 130 companies
          This is something like Rosoboronexport, only private and there are many of them.
          Quote: ccsr
          You don't have to continue further

          Let me decide what to write and when.
          Quote: ccsr
          I think that you will never read what you had to read me in due time,

          I do not know what you read in its time but I am sure that that (YOUR) time has passed long ago. Today it is almost a quarter of the 21st century and we must live in the future, not the past.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 24 December 2020 17: 24
            -1
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            In total, there are more than 500 companies in the production of military equipment (military products) !!!!!!!!

            Of course, if by it we mean even tailoring of uniforms, or the production of food.
            By the way, we only have several times more companies working for Roscosmos - what are you talking about, a minor propagandist?
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Let me decide what to write and when.

            Write - the Internet will endure your lies, and irrepressible boasting.
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            I do not know what you read in due time, but I am sure that that (YOUR) time has long passed.

            You know Russian literature badly, even though you write in the mighty, otherwise you would be thoughtful. But our genius wrote especially for you:
            Nothing new under the moon:
            What is, it was, will be forever.
            And before the blood flowed like a river
            And before man cried
            And before he was a victim of rock,
            Hope, weakness, vice.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 18: 55
              0
              Quote: ccsr
              Of course, if by it we mean even tailoring of uniforms, or the production of food.

              Once again.
              I understand that you belong to the category of writers, but not readers. On this and admit bloopers.
              The Israel Defense Forces do not have their own clothing or food preparation factories, but use ordinary private businesses that do not belong to the army. Even you may be it if you win the competition. Such were the enterprises of the USA and China.
              Quote: ccsr
              But our genius wrote especially for you:
              Nothing new under the moon:
              What is, it was, will be forever.
              And before the blood flowed like a river
              And before man cried
              And before he was a victim of rock,
              Hope, weakness, vice
              .

              Before he was a victim of rock
              But today HE is the master of his state
              Well, now you got excited.
              But there are also lines that apply to you.
              Forgiving weaknesses to others
              You will be loved by the weak
              Love is a holy teacher.
              And who has never fallen?
              Sage, educator of peoples,
              Have you always been wise and firm?
      2. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 23 December 2020 22: 39
        +4
        Quote: Vitaly Gusin
        You have to read a lot and not deceive yourself and try to deceive others.

        Like this? A plus in karma to earn? Should we at the beginning of each article blur out something absolutely senseless, but terribly patriotic? It is so accepted here ..))
        Some experts have grown so-so marshal stars))
        1. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 00: 10
          +1
          Quote: ROSS_51
          the marshal stars have grown))

          But they are paper-based and cannot even be used for their intended purpose. lol
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 24 December 2020 19: 57
            +1
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            Quote: ROSS_51
            the marshal stars have grown))

            But they are paper-based and cannot even be used for their intended purpose. lol


            But how do these STARS indulge the pride of such petty fool-carriers ...
        2. Revolver
          Revolver 24 December 2020 00: 48
          +2
          Quote: ROSS_51
          Some experts have grown so-so marshal stars

          Marshal of the Couch Troops - that sounds proudly!
    3. shahor
      shahor 24 December 2020 00: 29
      +3
      Quote: ccsr
      it is enough just to know how many specialists work in the leading Israeli military-industrial complex companies, and everything immediately becomes clear to the specialists.

      And how many specialists work at Roscosmos? And how clear is everything here for specialists? And how many specialists work in the Russian military-industrial complex? And - it is clear to them, the specialists, where are the Russian drones? Here are 50 countries of the world where drones from Israel fly can expand your specialist's horizons ...
    4. Klingon
      Klingon 24 December 2020 00: 40
      -1
      Why is the global hawk so strongly promoted, or rather, how is it more advanced than other devices? yes, he just did not fly to the area of ​​responsibility of the S-300 / S-400
    5. onstar9
      onstar9 24 December 2020 09: 44
      +3
      Quote: ccsr
      All Israeli developments, even in total, do not reach the American RQ-4 Global Hawk. Therefore, we can certainly praise everything Israeli, but from a military point of view, their developments are not so advanced that we should be guided by them.
      And in general, after the "creation" of Kfir, any competent specialist understands that Israel is not the country that can lead in the aerospace field, because the ears of leading Western companies are visible in all their developments.

      Well, you comrade, compared the "Elephant with the Pug" ... "Lead in the aerospace industry" .... a country with a population of 5 million people ..... and 300 million people. in America ... And secondly, the Global Hawk costs $ 300 million (and who needs it for that kind of money, like their F-22?), and is comparable to Israeli drones, with quite "budget" prices, given good quality and efficiency. Why doesn't Russia make such drones, let alone the Global Hawk? Is the country small or there are few "minds"?
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 24 December 2020 17: 32
        -3
        Quote: onstar9
        Well, you comrade, compared the "Elephant with the Pug" ... "Lead in the aerospace industry" .... a country with a population of 5 million people ..... and 300 million people. in America...

        Judging by the statements of the Israelis in this forum, the Americans take all the best in Israel - you apparently do not follow their bragging, but it has long ceased to have limits.
        Quote: onstar9
        Why doesn't Russia make such drones, let alone the Global Hawk? Is the country small or there are few "minds"?

        And we already have all the data for a nuclear strike on US territory, and any change in the operational situation is monitored by existing intelligence systems. Why do we still need such a drone if we have an order of magnitude less budget than the United States? What do you want to amuse your vanity, or can you justify why we cannot do without such a drone? By the way, drones helped a lot in the attack on our military bases in Syria - maybe at least it will make you think.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 24 December 2020 20: 09
          +2
          Quote: ccsr
          By the way, drones helped a lot when attacking our military bases in Syria - maybe at least it will make you think.


          Fair?
          If you understood what you are writing about, you would not compare homemade drones on Arduino with a 50-mm mortar mine, which bearded men and normal combat drones of the type were made from manure and sticks with blue electrical tape.
          And I dare to assure you that the bearded men with their duct tape damaged a couple of planes.
          And about 5 BAO vehicles.

          And we could not do anything about it, except to release special forces and helicopters at night in an attempt to clear the zone 15 kilometers from the runway.
          And if the bearded men were smarter, they could predict like normal military men, and formed several ambushes, then all the turntables would be removed and the entire special forces would be put down.
          And it would be a real fiasco.
          But, since these were precisely bearded men, and not professional military men, we did not have strong losses.
          If there were real Turks, Khmeimim would be completely destroyed in 20 minutes.
          in 5 minutes the ammunition load of the air defense missile system was completely used up and then all the standing equipment would be taken out.
          Just like the Azerbaijanis-Turks did it against Artsakh.
          No more than 2 planes could take off ...
          and all
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 24 December 2020 20: 31
            -1
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Fair?
            If you understood what you are writing about, you would not compare homemade drones on Arduino with a 50-mm mortar mine, which bearded men and normal combat drones of the type were made from manure and sticks with blue electrical tape.

            There is no need for an artistic whistle - serious drones are already catching up with airplanes at a cost, so there will be missile systems for them too.
            Quote: SovAr238A
            And I dare to assure you that the bearded men with their duct tape damaged a couple of planes.

            I dare to assure you that all the bearded men could have been destroyed even before that, but there would have been a lot of stench in the world. But this is what holds us back in Syria - we have pledged to the Americans not to touch the opposition. To start the third world war because of the Arabs is somehow not with our hands.
            Quote: SovAr238A
            If there were real Turks, Khmeimim would be completely destroyed in 20 minutes.

            If Turkey were not a NATO member, we would have destroyed Istanbul in 20 minutes, if only they had twitched.
            But they will not be allowed to attack our troops - not everyone in the NATO leadership is frostbitten.
            Quote: SovAr238A
            Just like the Azerbaijanis-Turks did it against Artsakh.
            No more than 2 planes could take off ...

            How do you know if our troops were not there?
    6. stone
      stone 24 December 2020 12: 06
      +2
      Why would they (Israel) need Global Hawk ?! Again, you are thinking from the position of a country that must compete with the Americans in everything. Israelis only do what they need to defend them. And yes they are not a superpower. But they came up with the concept of reconnaissance, and then reconnaissance-strike UAVs, as a response to the confrontation with the systemic Soviet air defense of the Arabs in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, and applied in 1982. The same American leader in UAVs, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, also has roots in Israel, read the history of creation. So Israel's success is quite natural.
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 23 December 2020 19: 49
    0
    So what is the reason for LEADERSHIP !!!!!!
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 23 December 2020 20: 28
      +9
      The reason is competent management and the presence of an instinct for self-preservation.
      Intelligence coupled with stimulus allows you to move mountains.
      1. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 23 December 2020 21: 45
        -4
        Specificity is needed, not a set of general words.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 24 December 2020 20: 18
          +1
          Quote: mr.ZinGer
          Specificity is needed, not a set of general words.


          A completely different business system.
          A young specialist with ideas in the military-industrial complex of our country is an outcast.
          The majority of decision-makers in our country consider everything connected with computer games to be pampering. But it is computer games that have grown that layer of young specialists who want "in war to be the same as in a game!" ...
          Each unit sees what any allied unit sees, and can use its weapon even over the horizon, since the weapon is guided by the vision of another unit - this is how set-centeredness is obtained, a single information battlefield is obtained.

          These are the people who come to the company and create new and new things all the time.

          and companies offer their MO - new types of weapons.
          Themselves.

          It is not the MO that creates a new technical assignment for new equipment, but looks at new items. analyzes them, and only then makes a decision on the formation of TK, based on what was analyzed.

          Any DARPA, which in no way obey the military-industrial complex, create contests for students on topics that the military has - not even a dream or a spirit.
          Then they roll around ideas for 5-8 years, and already practically finished products are offered in the MO. With the entire application concept. And let the military-industrial complex try not to repeat ...

          And so in everything.
          1. mr.ZinGer
            mr.ZinGer 25 December 2020 09: 17
            0
            Thanks for the answer, I feel that the topic is "sore" for you, good luck.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 23 December 2020 20: 56
      -12%
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      So what is the reason for LEADERSHIP !!!!!!

      In PR.
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 23 December 2020 21: 35
        -9
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: mr.ZinGer
        So what is the reason for LEADERSHIP !!!!!!

        In PR.

        Jews have taken over all the world's media and are promoting their crafts, which they were embarrassed to exhibit even in air circles.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 24 December 2020 17: 04
          -3
          Quote: andreykolesov123
          who were embarrassed to exhibit even in air clubs.

          By the way, you reminded me of my childhood when I went to the young technician station in the sixties. True, I was engaged in a ship modeling circle, and our coolest were radio-controlled ships, but the very squeak was when a miniature rocket was launched from such a ship by radio command, flying several meters thanks to a powder charge. In the aircraft modeling circle, they worked at a higher level - there were also different engines, and landing control required serious skills, and sometimes ended in breaking the model.
          Therefore, the puppy delight of the Israelis that they know how to do what we at the stations of young technicians did sixty years ago is of course understandable to me - as they say, there is fish for lack of fish and cancer, and for lack of water and ... plumbing ...
          1. andreykolesov123
            andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 18: 09
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: andreykolesov123
            who were embarrassed to exhibit even in air clubs.

            Therefore, the puppy delight of the Israelis that they know how to do what we at the stations of young technicians did sixty years ago is of course understandable to me - as they say, there is fish for lack of fish and cancer, and for lack of water and ... plumbing ...

            So where did the puncture happen? Why can't the Russian Federation repeat the success of 60 years ago? If already 60 years ago your UAVs were better than the Israeli ones, today they should surpass the Israeli ones as the MiG-25 surpasses the plane of the Wright brothers.
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 24 December 2020 18: 54
              -2
              Quote: andreykolesov123
              So where did the puncture happen? Why can't the Russian Federation repeat the success of 60 years ago?

              Given our military might, this type of weapons is irrelevant for us - this is what we must proceed from first of all. To destroy any state in the world, one salvo of nuclear submarines is enough for us, and everything else that is redundant only ruins us.
              Quote: andreykolesov123
              If already 60 years ago your UAVs were better than Israeli ones, today they should surpass Israeli ones as the MiG-25 surpasses the plane of the Wright brothers.

              Since the seventies of the last century, we have been in service with a squadron of Tu-143 jet UAVs - you probably just do not know. So we never lagged behind, but simply the collapse of the country put an end to some developments for a banal reason - there was no money even for the development of strategic nuclear forces.
              I repeat once again for understanding - this technique is irrelevant for our armed forces, if only because it is easier for us to immediately destroy the entire infrastructure of another country than to hunt for single targets with the help of UAVs.
              1. Shahno
                Shahno 24 December 2020 18: 59
                0
                // Given our military power, this type of weapons is irrelevant for us - this is what we must proceed from first of all. To destroy any state in the world, one salvo of nuclear submarines is enough for us, and everything else that is superfluous only ruins us.
                And if suddenly .. The human factor or what kind of gap. And there will be no volleys ...
                If suddenly there is a misunderstanding again.
                Either they sent it to the wrong place, or there was not enough money for high-quality software.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 24 December 2020 19: 36
                  -1
                  Quote: Shahno
                  And there will be no volleys ...

                  If we do not have volleys, then a volley will be fired at us from across the ocean. That is why our pledge for survival is the strategic nuclear forces on alert, and I hope that they will always be able to launch on time. This is the guarantee of peace on earth.
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 24 December 2020 20: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: ccsr
                    Quote: Shahno
                    And there will be no volleys ...

                    If we do not have volleys, then a volley will be fired at us from across the ocean. That is why our pledge for survival is the strategic nuclear forces on alert, and I hope that they will always be able to launch on time. This is the guarantee of peace on earth.


                    What will you do if there is an internal war?
                    To hammer Khabarovsk with nuclear ammunition?
                    Or Dagestan?

                    Forgotten about the shame of the first Chechen war?
                    Have you forgotten about the loss of 080808?

                    In Syria, the war is over, as our Guarantor said. or still not yet?
                    How much more do you need to be there?
                    1. ccsr
                      ccsr 24 December 2020 21: 00
                      -3
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      What will you do if there is an internal war?

                      We had an internal war after 1991, and there were more nuclear weapons, but there were no fools in the army even then.
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Forgotten about the shame of the first Chechen war?

                      This is the shame of the politicians, not the army - no need to shift the blame for this shame on the military.
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      Have you forgotten about the loss of 080808?

                      There were losses, as well as the fact that we could enter Tbilisi - so even then they did not show so badly, since someone had to chew a tie.
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      In Syria, the war is over, as our Guarantor said. or still not yet?
                      How much more do you need to be there?

                      It's not a question of salary. But I personally always thought that we had nothing to do there. And now I remain with this opinion.
              2. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 19: 43
                +1
                Quote: ccsr
                I repeat once again for understanding - this technique is irrelevant for our armed forces, if only because it is easier for us to immediately destroy the entire infrastructure of another country than to hunt for single targets with the help of UAVs.

                Why then are Russian UAVs being developed now? And why were the squadrons of Tu-143 needed if this type of troops was redundant?
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 24 December 2020 21: 02
                  -1
                  Quote: andreykolesov123
                  And why were the squadrons of Tu-143 needed if this type of troops was redundant?

                  You apparently did not live in the USSR and did not know what time it was, that is why you are asking naive questions. Ask those Israelis who lived then in the USSR, maybe they will enlighten you what kind of country it was.
                  Quote: andreykolesov123
                  Why then are Russian UAVs being developed now?

                  For domestic operations and for sale in the international market.
      2. shahor
        shahor 24 December 2020 00: 31
        +6
        Quote: ccsr
        In PR.

        Envy silently.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 00: 59
          +1
          So envy is not interesting. By the way, what are the successes of Israel on the way to becoming a country with a gas station and a gas pipe?
          1. shahor
            shahor 24 December 2020 17: 34
            +1
            Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
            Israel's success in becoming a gas station and gas pipe country?

            Laughter with laughter, and the pipe is being pulled to Greece ... 10 lard cubes ... a trifle, but enough for bread and butter.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 33
              -2
              Why not laugh then? Especially if it's our turn now. Earlier, fellow Israelis laughed at the country with a gas station. Now they have entered the orderly ranks of the countries of gas stations. laughing
              1. SovAr238A
                SovAr238A 24 December 2020 20: 23
                +2
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                Why not laugh then? Especially if it's our turn now. Earlier, fellow Israelis laughed at the country with a gas station. Now they have entered the orderly ranks of the countries of gas stations. laughing

                Only here's the thing.

                Judging by the latest sanctions, the aviation industry was completely cut down.
                And in 10 years our gas station will be closed in the same way ...

                Alas, I am very bitter to talk about this. but these are realities and facts.

                we were simply crushed by "anaconda" ...
                Which many laughed at ...
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 20: 29
                  0
                  I would not rush to bury Russia. The world crisis, especially one that is in the process now, is an extremely unpredictable thing. The results can be tricky. Although in my opinion there are prerequisites for the collapse of the country. At least with a partial loss of territories. However, not only Russia has such prospects. Many countries will try to crush, if only because it is more convenient to rob the weak. And according to the principle, my hut will have enough food on the edge.
              2. shahor
                shahor 25 December 2020 19: 56
                -1
                Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                they entered the slender ranks of the gas station countries.

                Well, more likely gas water heaters ... And they continue to laugh, at themselves, including. With a sense of humor, everything is in order there ...
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 25 December 2020 19: 57
                  0
                  So be it. This does not change the essence.
        2. mmaxx
          mmaxx 24 December 2020 04: 20
          +2
          This buddy is unrealistic to prove something.
  • high
    high 23 December 2020 21: 20
    +7
    Israel's success should not be surprised if, according to the ranking of the most powerful countries in the world, at the end of 2019, Israel took 8th place, skipping ahead: the USA, Russia, China, Germany, Great Britain, France, Japan
    https://rg.ru/2019/12/16/sostavlen-rejting-samyh-mogushchestvennyh-stran-po-itogam-2019-goda.html
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 00: 54
      -6
      Well, Duc, all around the powerful Zionists, Freemasons and other liberals with black Jews.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 23 December 2020 21: 37
    +7
    Israel is a partner of the United States in a non-NATO, and such as even some satellites, NATO members are not. In the United States, the Jewish lobby is like probably no other from other ethnic communities. Therefore, the United States and Israel are like two twins. And Israel has neighbors. such that you will not envy, but territorially, the country is small, they have nowhere to retreat or maneuver if anything happens. The territory of 22 km² is not much larger than Transnistria. Therefore, very serious attention is paid to defense capability, and this is correct, otherwise they may eat. The United States generously shares military technology with Israel, and the supply of weapons. Yes, and Israel's military-industrial complex and armed forces are solid, if not the most powerful in the Middle East. The fact that we sometimes with Israel have perpendicularly dissimilar goals in the countries of the East neighboring Israel, so This is understandable. The main thing is that neither Israel nor we use our armed forces directly against each other. After all, we also do not like it when some of our neighbors make anti-Russian sledgehammers out of them. Therefore, Israel, as it can, and defends its interests with its neighbors in the Middle East. It is always worth respecting. Well done, they always keep their gunpowder dry.
  • Pamir
    Pamir 23 December 2020 21: 43
    +2
    By the way, it was the USSR that lobbied for the creation of a separate state of Jews in the UN in 1949.
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 23 December 2020 21: 58
      +4
      Quote: Pamir
      By the way, it was the USSR that lobbied for the creation of a separate state of Jews in the UN in 1949.

      Not in 1949, but in 1947, and he "lobbied" it loudly, although I will in no way belittle the merits of the USSR in the creation of a Jewish state. Of the 33 states that voted "FOR" - 3 votes were from the USSR and 2 more from its satellites. However, one more side of this issue should be understood. The creation of Israel naturally squeezed Britain out of a strategically important region and could enable the USSR to take its place. Stalin's words are widely known:
      “Let's agree with the formation of Israel. It will be like an awl in the ass for the Arab states and will make them turn their back on Britain. Ultimately, British influence will be completely undermined in Egypt, Syria, Turkey and Iraq. ”
      1. Pamir
        Pamir 23 December 2020 22: 10
        +1
        I admit, I agree, I was mistaken in the date, but in this case it is not important. Yes, not only the USSR voted, but it did make its contribution to the state of Jews. Later, everything became more complicated. Israel relied on the United States and became a conduit for their policy, and of course at the same time their requests have increased, appetites have become exorbitant. And already the USSR sometimes had to besiege Israel, but in general, on a large scale, they tried not to cross each other's roads.
        1. A. Privalov
          A. Privalov 23 December 2020 22: 26
          +8
          Quote: Pamir
          I admit, I agree, I was mistaken in the date, but in this case it is not important. Yes, not only the USSR voted, but it did make its contribution to the state of Jews. Later, everything became more complicated. Israel relied on the United States and became a conduit for their policy, and of course at the same time their requests have increased, appetites have become exorbitant. And already the USSR sometimes had to besiege Israel, but in general, on a large scale, they tried not to cross each other's roads.

          And again a mistake. Israel had no way of relying on the United States. In the first decades after Israel's creation in 1948, the United States was more of an enemy than a friend, typically sided with Israel's Arab neighbors, whose oil wealth was important to the United States, and also to keep them out of the Soviet sphere of influence. In 1956, after Egypt blocked the delivery of goods to Israel and seized the Suez Canal, an international waterway owned by Great Britain and France, the three countries jointly invaded Egypt to regain their rights. ("Suez Crisis") Although US President Dwight D. Eisenhower admitted that the invasion was led by "serious and repeated provocations" from Egypt, he decided to win the friendship of the Arab world, forcing the invaders to retreat, thereby supporting the USSR's ultimatum demand for Israel to immediately cease hostilities ... Eisenhower threatened Israel with expulsion from the UN, adding weight to his demands by voicing them in a radio and television address to the American people from the White House ...

          The war was still going on in Palestine, and the staff of the USSR Ministry of State Security had already killed the world-famous theater director and Jewish public figure Solomon Mikhoels, followed in Czechoslovakia by the "Slansky Case" (there, among other things, they will blame the dispatch of weapons for Israel) , "Struggle against cosmopolitans" and other very serious repressions against Jews. Israel has never been afraid of domestic anti-Semitism. On the contrary, the more household workers put pressure on Jews, the more they come to Israel. Israel has always feared state anti-Semitism. All this could not please the young Jewish state, and for all its socialist nature (yes, Israel was created by idealist socialists, the Communist Party and trade unions were very strong there at that time), went under the wing of the West, and the USSR began to help the Arab countries.
          What increased appetites in Israel are you talking about? For thirty years, the USSR fed the Arabs for three throats and stuffed their armies with modern weapons. With these weapons, they tried to deal with Israel, but not once they were hit hard by the horns. hi
  • sevtrash
    sevtrash 23 December 2020 22: 39
    +3
    One can only envy the UAV collection from Israel. If they buy, then the price-performance ratio is good. Yes, and tested in practice, as recently.
    Actually, you can criticize. First, what is the level of imported parts? Including accessories for individual devices, mechanisms. After all, their components can be purchased in many countries, the main thing is that the United States does not mind. That is, there can be such a constructor. Of course, it's not as easy as putting together a typewriter from cubes. It is not easy at all, but the availability of such an opportunity is quite a lot.
    Another criticism - that they are not very beautiful, these Israeli UAVs. Hermes 900 more or less. Compare with American - what does the RQ-4 Global Hawk, MQ-9 Reaper, X-47B look like. Although to call the RQ-16 T-Hawk beautiful language will not turn out to be.
    It would seem - and where is the beauty. But Tupolev once said that well-flying planes should be beautiful.
    1. Danila46
      Danila46 23 December 2020 23: 05
      +3
      the means of murder does not have to be beautiful, it has to be effective. How cynical it is ...
      1. agond
        agond 23 December 2020 23: 26
        +2
        We must not envy Israel, but do it ourselves, if earlier in a circle a pioneer could build a radio-controlled model, then why, as an adult, he cannot build a simple UAV, even in artisanal conditions, this is possible, of course we are not talking about complex devices. state support is needed there
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 24 December 2020 00: 14
          +6
          in general, envy is a bad thing. Moreover, to envy such a small country, which must spend huge resources not on creation, but on armaments in order to ensure its own safety.
          If it were so easy to create a standing UAV, then such a country as Russia would already have in its arsenal a worthy apparatus of the level of Turkish at least. This is a completely different direction in aviation in which Russia began to work more or less 20 years ago, and has been closely engaged in this in general only in recent years.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 01: 51
    +7
    I wonder why some Russian patriots, for example, Alexander Robertovich Shtilmark, tirelessly repeating about the Jewish yoke in Russia, will not take and invent a Russian UAV at the Israeli level? After all, he was so advocating for the liberation of Russia from the lisp of infidelity, and they suddenly took and really dumped and are not blowing and are inventing such devices in this Israel that a large titular nation cannot keep up with.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 09: 37
      0
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      I wonder why some Russian patriots, for example, Alexander Robertovich Shtilmark, tirelessly repeating about the Jewish yoke in Russia, will not take and invent a Russian UAV at the Israeli level?

      Well, we need national personnel for this. And during the yoke of all sensible Russians, they cleaned up and their place was taken by the Landau da Lavochkin. And which of the Russians managed to dump the yoke to the West - like Sikorsky or Zvorykin.
      Now a new intelligentsia is needed, and as you know, oranges will not be born from the aspen. We will wait a long time and it is not a fact that we will.
      And the Jews are good fellows, since childhood I drown for them bully
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 12: 17
        +2
        Quote: Junger
        Well, we need national personnel for this. And in the days of the yoke, all the smart Russians were cleaned up and their place was taken by the Landau and Lavochkin.

        Yes, it was necessary to send Landau and his ilk to Israel so that they would not take the place of the indigenous people. It is strange that even now there are Jews in Russia who consider themselves patriots of Russia and do not understand that it is high time for them to leave Russia.
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 24 December 2020 12: 24
          0
          Quote: andreykolesov123
          Yes, it was necessary to send Landau and his ilk to Israel so that they would not take the place of the indigenous people.

          Gold words. Only Israel did not exist yet when they squeezed the Russians out.
          Quote: andreykolesov123
          It is strange that even now there are Jews in Russia who consider themselves patriots of Russia and do not understand that it is high time for them to leave Russia.

          Nice thing. How many parasites from radio and television will dump - the mind is incomprehensible. The echo of Moscow will bend ...
          The main thing is to let the money stolen from the state. And in general, let them compensate for 70 years of occupation. They will answer for Leiba Davydovich ...
        2. Vitaly gusin
          Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 16: 04
          0
          Quote: andreykolesov123
          It is strange that even now there are Jews in Russia who consider themselves patriots of Russia and do not understand that it is high time for them to leave Russia.

          YOU'RE RIGHT! THE EARLIER THE MORE!
          The ways of the Lord are inscrutable. (C)
          So I have to support the anti-Semite.
          1. sevtrash
            sevtrash 24 December 2020 18: 53
            0
            Quote: Vitaly Gusin
            YOU'RE RIGHT! THE EARLIER THE MORE!

            Well, there are also wrong Jews. Maybe they love the country where they were born. Fools, of course, do not understand where happiness is. It must be, maybe.
            1. Vitaly gusin
              Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 21: 37
              +1
              Quote: sevtrash
              Well, there are also wrong Jews.

              Not correct, there can be any peoples, regardless of nationality.
              And the Jews are just stupid, there is always someone there (you don't have to go far for an example) that will blame them for the lack of water, and if there is an abundance of water, there will be another reason.

              But the same drunk told me after the businessman,
              What do they drink the blood of Christian babies;
              And once in the pub, the guys told me
              That a long time ago they crucified God!

              They need blood - they are parked
              Tortured, bastards, elephant in the zoo!
              They stole, I know, they are from the people
              All the bread of last year's harvest!

              By Kursk, Kazan Railway
              They built summer cottages - they live there like gods ... (c)

              BUT THAT'S ABOUT ME, NOBODY WILL SAY.
              1. sevtrash
                sevtrash 25 December 2020 10: 18
                0
                Quote: Vitaly Gusin
                Not correct, there can be any peoples, regardless of nationality.

                That's for sure. There is one people who are correct, chosen by God, etc. etc. And there are others, but not at all those, wrong, not chosen, unworthy. This is called nationalism, which is of varying degrees of expression in different countries. Some - a caveman, some - not very much. It is clear that someone has the most correct one.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 12: 36
    0
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Yes, it was necessary to send Landau and his ilk to Israel so that they would not take the place of the indigenous people.

    Gold words. Only Israel did not exist yet when they squeezed the Russians out.
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    It is strange that even now there are Jews in Russia who consider themselves patriots of Russia and do not understand that it is high time for them to leave Russia.

    Nice thing. How many parasites from radio and television will dump - the mind is incomprehensible. The echo of Moscow will bend ...
    The main thing is to let the money stolen from the state. And in general, let them compensate for 70 years of occupation. They will answer for Leiba Davydovich ...

    So why did the citizens of Russia voted for this occupation in the last presidential elections, confirming their choice by supporting the presidential amendments to the constitution. Do the poor Palestinians in Gaza really enjoy living under the Zionist occupation?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 12: 43
      +1
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      So why did the citizens of Russia vote for this occupation?

      Probably because citizens since 1917 have taken a position - "my house is on the edge" and "if only there was no war." Citizens are not ready to make decisions and bear harsh responsibility for them.
      Suddenly the booze from the shops will disappear because of this, how will the citizens live?
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 16: 18
        0
        Quote: Junger
        Probably because citizens since 1917 have taken a position - "my house is on the edge" and "if only there was no war." Citizens are not ready to make decisions and bear harsh responsibility for them.

        I already wrote about it.
        The last country in Europe where serfdom was abolished in 1861 was the Russian Empire. Serfdom lasted about 400 years.
        And the children of serfs, under the promise of the land, and this was the most valuable thing, made a revolution, but simply a coup. But in all subsequent periods of life the people were free only in slogans and brutal suppression.
        And now the descendants still have obedience genes. But the young are trying to get rid of them, but this takes more time.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 24 December 2020 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: Vitaly Gusin
          The last country in Europe where serfdom was abolished in 1861 was the Russian Empire. Serfdom lasted about 400 years.

          You see, propagandist, there was still slavery in the United States at that time, and toilets for colored people existed a hundred years later. But this is not the point, but the fact that you have no idea at all that serfdom did not exist in the entire Russian Empire, and that the serf millionaire Sinebryukhov was the richest man in Finland.
          You do not understand why serfs could be richer than their owners, why there were latrines and why, having the opportunity to buy out all their relatives, many peasants did not do this, because they knew the benefits of such a form of existence. I will not bump into history, but I will note that you, as a propagandist, speculate on the term "serfdom", although if you understand it, you don’t understand it, and why it existed, for you is a dark forest.
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 22: 16
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            But this is not the point, but the fact that you have no idea at all that serfdom did not exist in the entire Russian Empire,

            Of course I know, and so people are there and cannot calm down for 3 months already. he did not know what serfs were.
            Everything else is without comment.
            You have already taken me away from the main topic.
            And in your affairs, I do not want to understand.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 12: 57
    0
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    So why did the citizens of Russia vote for this occupation?

    Probably because citizens since 1917 have taken a position - "my house is on the edge" and "if only there was no war." Citizens are not ready to make decisions and bear harsh responsibility for them.
    Suddenly the booze from the shops will disappear because of this, how will the citizens live?

    somehow you are not very kindly thinking about the citizens of Russia. Do you live in Russia?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 14: 04
      +3
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      Do you live in Russia?

      Of course. And I clearly see the lack of will and lack of spirituality of our citizens. What I grieve about.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 14: 14
    -1
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Do you live in Russia?

    Of course. And I clearly see the lack of will and lack of spirituality of our citizens. What I grieve about.

    Will deportation of Jews from Russia improve the situation?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 14: 27
      +2
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      Will deportation of Jews from Russia improve the situation?

      How to drink. After all, they morally corrupt the people.
      Do you think that all these Posners, Gozmans, Solovyovs, Latynins, Saviki Shusters, Benediktovs, Gonopolskys, Makarevichs, Wellers, and so on and so forth, are of any kind to society?
      These comrades are firmly entrenched in all editorial offices, radio and television studios in editorial posts and firmly hold public opinion in one place. And undoubtedly they control it (opinion).
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 14: 35
    0
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Will deportation of Jews from Russia improve the situation?

    How to drink. After all, they morally corrupt the people.
    Do you think that all these Posners, Gozmans, Solovyovs, Latynins, Saviki Shusters, Benediktovs, Gonopolskys and others and so on are of any benefit to society?
    These comrades are firmly entrenched in all editorial offices, radio and television studios in editorial posts and firmly hold public opinion in one place. And they undoubtedly control it.

    Here I am reading about the developers of the Russian vaccine, there are a couple of Jewish names. Mathematician Perelman lives in St. Petersburg, people like this, also need to be deported?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 14: 55
      +2
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      Here I am reading about the developers of the Russian vaccine, there are a couple of Jewish names. Mathematician Perelman lives in St. Petersburg, people like this, also need to be deported?

      Hard to tell. Hitler deported the Jewish scientists and nothing - German science didn’t fumble, but went on as the foremost workers throughout the war. But their national cadres were still alive.
      And we now have a zilch of national cadres. On the other hand, the incentive will develop.
      All this is fantastic. No one will deport anyone until Posners of the media are released.
      1. indy424
        indy424 24 December 2020 15: 07
        0
        yeah, now let's compare the achievements of German science before and after World War II
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 14: 59
    0
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    Here I am reading about the developers of the Russian vaccine, there are a couple of Jewish names. Mathematician Perelman lives in St. Petersburg, people like this, also need to be deported?

    Hard to tell. Hitler deported the Jewish scientists and nothing - German science didn’t fumble, but went on as the foremost workers throughout the war. But their national cadres were still alive.
    And we now have a zilch of national cadres. On the other hand, the incentive will develop.
    All this is fantastic. No one will deport anyone until Posners of the media are released.

    What do you think, the Russians in the country should have some special privileged status in comparison with other peoples inhabiting Russia, and if so, how should this be expressed?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 15: 09
      +3
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      What do you think, the Russians in the country should have some special privileged status in comparison with other peoples inhabiting Russia, and if so, how should this be expressed?

      It seems to me that you are now trying to bring me under Article 282. Collect composition laughing
      No, that you, all people are brothers. We need to bring more blacks, Jews and Uzbeks to Russia. Each will be given a three-room apartment in the nearest Moscow region and an allowance of at least 50 thousand rubles. And, of course, there are more mosques and synagogues at each point.
      1. Vitaly gusin
        Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 16: 21
        +1
        Quote: Junger
        We need to bring more blacks to Russia, the Jews and Uzbeks.

        Please remove the Jews from the list. I have no complaints about the rest. hi
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 24 December 2020 16: 51
          +3
          It was a joke ))
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 24 December 2020 17: 44
            -1
            Quote: Junger
            It was a joke ))

            Wow, you immediately feel better.
            Thank you!
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 24 December 2020 19: 08
        +2
        Quote: Junger
        It seems to me that you are now trying to bring me under Article 282.

        I also noticed how this gentleman is trying to purposefully bring you under the article. It's good that you notice this.
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 24 December 2020 19: 34
          +2
          Even now it became scary sad It's good that I am an internationalist and love all peoples.
          As they say - in every nation there are good and bad people. And there are no bad nations. ))
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 15: 12
    -1
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    What do you think, the Russians in the country should have some special privileged status in comparison with other peoples inhabiting Russia, and if so, how should this be expressed?

    It seems to me that you are now trying to bring me under Article 282. Collect composition laughing
    No, that you, all people are brothers. We need to bring more blacks, Jews and Uzbeks to Russia. Each will be given a three-room apartment in the nearest Moscow region and an allowance of at least 50 thousand rubles. And, of course, there are more mosques and synagogues at each point.

    Why do you think so? And what is Article 282? I generally live in Israel. I'm just interested in your position. What is so special about your views that the police might not like?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 15: 32
      +2
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      Why do you think so? And what is Article 282? I generally live in Israel.

      Do you design drones? smile
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      What do you think, the Russians in the country should have some special privileged status in comparison with other peoples inhabiting Russia, and if so, how should this be expressed?

      Yes of course. Everything should be like under the tsar-father.
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 15: 43
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        Quote: Junger
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        Why do you think so? And what is Article 282? I generally live in Israel.

        Do you design drones? smile
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        What do you think, the Russians in the country should have some special privileged status in comparison with other peoples inhabiting Russia, and if so, how should this be expressed?

        Yes of course. Everything should be like under the tsar-father.

        1. No, a simple pensioner.
        2. Other nationalities inhabiting Russia (Tatars, Yakuts, etc.), in your opinion, will calmly accept this news that there is a legislative inequality between the peoples inhabiting Russia?
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 24 December 2020 15: 57
          +2
          Quote: andreykolesov123
          In your opinion, other nationalities inhabiting Russia (Tatars, Yakuts, etc.) will calmly accept this news that there is a legislative inequality between the peoples inhabiting Russia?

          Of course they will be upset.
          It seems to me that the idea of ​​social rating should be introduced to the masses, as it is supposed in China. Nice topic.
          Clearly, logically, according to understandable criteria, infringe on the rights of a number of citizens. Pure benefit to the state and society.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 24 December 2020 15: 27
    0
    The reason for Israel's leadership in the UAV field: many years of painstaking work on this topic! There, the prime minister was imprisoned for theft, and we lost 2 lard from the UAV program and that's it, the director was caught and he was sitting. The country did not receive the UAV, and everything is calm.
    We received a good call from Karabakh, if there are no changes now, we will not pull the next conflict
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 16: 01
    -1
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    In your opinion, other nationalities inhabiting Russia (Tatars, Yakuts, etc.) will calmly accept this news that there is a legislative inequality between the peoples inhabiting Russia?

    Of course they will be upset.
    It seems to me that the idea of ​​social rating should be introduced to the masses, as it is supposed in China. Nice topic.
    Clearly, logically, according to understandable criteria, infringe on the rights of a number of citizens. Pure benefit to the state and society.

    And what if not only upset? What if the result is a movement to secede from Russia? How many problems have there been with one small Chechnya, and what if turbulence begins in Tatarstan?
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 24 December 2020 16: 46
      +1
      Quote: andreykolesov123
      And what if not only upset? What if the result is a movement to secede from Russia? How many problems have there been with one small Chechnya, and what if turbulence begins in Tatarstan?

      Well I wrote - we must act smartly. The mechanism of social rating of citizens must be introduced. And the same Chechen will be infringed not because he is a Chechen, but because he does not have a) a good specialty b) a normal education c) merit to society. d) does not pay taxes, etc.
      Everything is clear and nat. affiliation seems to have nothing to do with it. But in fact it has to do with it, since it's not just a beautiful word. But it will be disguised.
      But the Jews, of course, will bypass it all, so special measures are needed against them.
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 17: 58
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        Quote: Junger
        Quote: andreykolesov123
        And what if not only upset? What if the result is a movement to secede from Russia? How many problems have there been with one small Chechnya, and what if turbulence begins in Tatarstan?

        Well I wrote - we must act smartly. The mechanism of social rating of citizens must be introduced. And the same Chechen will be infringed not because he is a Chechen, but because he does not have a) a good specialty b) a normal education c) merit to society. d) does not pay taxes, etc.
        Everything is clear and nat. affiliation seems to have nothing to do with it. But in fact it has to do with it, since it's not just a beautiful word. But it will be disguised.

        I am afraid that it will not be possible to hide it for a long time. It is difficult to imagine that in national formations the locals will calmly observe that only people of the same non-local nationality will occupy all leadership positions.


        Quote: Junger

        But the Jews, of course, will bypass it all, so special measures are needed against them.

        I hope everything will be limited to the move, or are you dreaming of the final solution of the Jewish question by 1/6 of the globe?
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 24 December 2020 18: 34
          +1
          And what to hide then? Everything is clear and transparent, the path to increasing the rating is clear and simple. If you want to achieve something - go learn, try, work. If you don't want to, you can't - your problems. No one should equate parasites and fools with normal citizens. And if the former are most often citizens of non-Slavic nationalities, then excuse me, no one is to blame. We didn't want anything like that. request
          Do you feel how smooth it will go?

          I hope everything will be limited to the move, or are you dreaming of the final solution of the Jewish question by 1/6 of the globe?

          What's the difference? To the Russian man, what is Jewish, what is the Papuan question. We don't owe anyone anything. These are no longer our problems.
          1. andreykolesov123
            andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 18: 46
            0
            Quote: Junger
            And what to hide then? Everything is clear and transparent, the path to increasing the rating is clear and simple. If you want to achieve something - go learn, try, work. If you don't want to, you can't - your problems. No one should equate parasites and fools with normal citizens. And if the former are most often citizens of non-Slavic nationalities, then excuse me, no one is to blame. We didn't want anything like that.
            Do you feel how smooth it will go?

            Ie, no national protectionism is provided? Under the king, there was a different policy.

            Quote: Junger

            What's the difference? To the Russian man, what is Jewish, what is the Papuan question. We don't owe anyone anything. These are no longer our problems.

            And with all sorts of halves / quarters, what will you do?



            1. Jünger
              Jünger 24 December 2020 20: 27
              +1
              What is your rank - senior? lol
              1. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 24 December 2020 20: 47
                0
                Quote: Junger
                What is your rank - senior? lol

                Why discuss me. We interpret for life, and not discuss individuals. Do not be afraid of the fear of the Jews
                1. Jünger
                  Jünger 25 December 2020 08: 37
                  +1
                  Well, your fellow tribesmen have created their own state on the lands where the Arabs lived for more than a thousand years.
                  Are they upset? And not only upset? And what are you doing about this?
                  1. andreykolesov123
                    andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 08: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Junger
                    And what are you doing about this?

                    I do everything to make the Arabs return to their historical homeland, to Arabia.
                    1. Jünger
                      Jünger 25 December 2020 09: 24
                      +1
                      Quote: andreykolesov123
                      I do everything to make the Arabs return to their historical homeland, to Arabia.

                      Competently.
                      So in the rest of the world, other people must do the same in relation to the long-suffering Jewish people.
  • Shahno
    Shahno 24 December 2020 20: 02
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    Quote: SovAr238A
    Quote: Intruder
    nor even use anything like those old drones.
    maybe until the time has come, for those countries? So they save on the military budget - here and now, but when the "fried rooster ..." then they will simply and rather quickly buy samples of the necessary products, through intermediaries, copy legally or illegally, and everything rushed into serial production. on the experience of foreign partners ...


    Don't talk nonsense.

    You can copy only then. when you yourself are at the same level of development.
    For you understand what the designer has made, from what materials. what technologies are used and much more.

    And if you have zero experience, and you are just now thinking about copying products 40 years ago - and with our UAV - this is exactly the case - then I dare to assure you that we are about 50 years behind ...

    And we will not pass further.
    For modern UAVs - we will not be able to repeat.
    We do not have the same electronics, we do not have the same connection, we do not have an understanding of the concept of application. Which they have been developing since the 70s and tested for the last 40 years on living vehicles, targets ...

    This is what is called the "school" .. That is what Raphael and Elbit both develop.
    And the integrator IAI has done and is doing a lot here, including in interaction with large American and European investors.
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 09: 38
    0
    Quote: Junger
    Quote: andreykolesov123
    I do everything to make the Arabs return to their historical homeland, to Arabia.

    Competently.
    So in the rest of the world, other people must do the same in relation to the long-suffering Jewish people.

    Am I against? on the contrary, your activity responds in every possible way
    aims of Zionism.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 25 December 2020 18: 33
      +2
      Shake your hand, genosse. Will I be in Judea? Are you hopeful Christian? smile
      1. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 18: 51
        0
        Quote: Junger
        Shake your hand, genosse. Will I be in Judea? Are you hopeful Christian? smile

        Why should a Christian live in Israel?
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 25 December 2020 19: 27
          +2
          Strange question, comrade. In fact, they originally lived there. And they must live everywhere.
          Here about the Jews in the Gospel directly says - "your father is the devil." Why are you ruining your soul?
          1. andreykolesov123
            andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 19: 35
            -1
            Quote: Junger
            Here about the Jews in the Gospel directly says - "your father is the devil." Why are you ruining your soul?

            Why are you quoting a book to me that is not an authority for the Jews?
            1. Jünger
              Jünger 25 December 2020 21: 56
              +1
              Then I want to help you. If you think about it, you will understand that the Lord God broke the Covenant with your tribe. Your temple has been destroyed, your name has become a curse between nations. Your tribe is scattered across the face of the earth. All this is predicted and described in the Gospel.
              And you tell me that this book is not an authority for you and that you are pretending to be a girl smile It's stupid. Sorry for you fools. Sculpt your drones to go to hell.
              Isn't it sad?
              1. andreykolesov123
                andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 22: 29
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                Quote: Junger
                If you think about it, you will understand that the Lord God broke the Covenant with your tribe.

                In biblical times (~ 3000 years ago), a dozen different Semitic tribes lived next to the Jews, from Amun to Moab, none of them has remained to this day. And the Jews are alive and well. It is not clear why you decided that the covenant was terminated? Where did you get this from?

                Quote: Junger
                Your temple has been destroyed, your name has become a curse between nations.

                "Those who curse you are cursed; those who bless you are blessed!"
                Genesis 27: 29

                Quote: Junger
                If you think about it, you will understand that the Lord God broke the Covenant with your tribe.
                Your tribe is scattered across the face of the earth. All this is predicted and described in the Gospel.

                How does Israel fit into this concept of an eternal Jew? How do your religious authorities explain Israel's existence?

                Quote: Junger
                And you tell me that this book is not an authority for you and that you are pretending to be a girl

                This book and religion is for you, we have our own path. For you, there is literal Judaism, there is nothing that we do not have.
                Quote: Junger

                It's stupid. Sorry for you fools. Sculpt your drones to go to hell.

                I'm sorry for you. Our shared history is just one sheet of 4500 years of Jewish history. There was such a Hittite empire - a huge, powerful state, and after a few hundred years it disintegrated and disappeared and the only memory of it remained in the Old Testament (Uriah the Hittite). And if it were not for this memory, no one in the 19th century would have looked for its ruins. I sincerely hope that the same fate will not befall your country in another nineteen years. And the only memory of her will be a couple of lines in some Jewish documents.

                Quote: Junger

                Isn't it sad?

                It's sad that nothing is new under the moon. In 500 years, a representative of another young empire will try to convert another Jew into his religion, explaining to him the unreasonable how progressive and humane it is in comparison with his backward cult. This was already everything in history. Have you heard of the Maccabean wars? They began with the Greeks, then still pagans, trying to convert the Jews into their religion. Think for yourself, if they succeeded, would you be a Christian now?
                1. Jünger
                  Jünger 25 December 2020 22: 44
                  +1
                  Well, that is, you do not see any problems with what the Jewish tribe has endured over the past 1900 years? Is everything okay?
                  Doesn't it conjure up any analogies with past problems that God sent you for your sins?
                  Then keep it that way and are the goyim to blame for everything?
                  It is strange for me to hear this, since I read the Old Testament and saw there numerous denunciations of the sins of the Jews and the prophets' predictions that the Jews would suffer severe punishments for this.
                  Is it all blah blah blah for you?
                  1. andreykolesov123
                    andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 22: 53
                    0
                    Quote: Junger

                    Well, that is, you do not see any problems with what the Jewish tribe has endured over the past 1900 years? Is everything okay?

                    Jews are by no means an ideal people and their whole history is actually a story of departure from the commandments of Gd and punishment for it. But at least I know what my people were doing 1900 years ago, unlike your tribe.

                    Quote: Junger

                    Doesn't it conjure up any analogies with past problems that God sent you for your sins?

                    Do you yourself consider yourself sinless?
                    Quote: Junger

                    Then keep it that way and are the goyim to blame for everything?

                    Where did I write about this? From my point of view, the goyim are not guilty of anything, even the Germans. In order to determine the guilt of someone, there is the Almighty and the Divine judgment, and when people take on these functions, it ends badly for them.
                    1. Jünger
                      Jünger 25 December 2020 23: 12
                      +1
                      Quote: andreykolesov123
                      Jews are by no means an ideal people and their whole history is actually a story of departure from the commandments of Gd and punishment for it.

                      Well, don't you think that over the past 1900 years, Jews have been suffering an unprecedentedly heavy punishment for the entire time of their existence? The Holocaust alone is worth something.
                      What did the Jews do 2000 years ago that Gd sent you such problems? Can you answer clearly without pouring water?
                      Quote: andreykolesov123
                      But at least I know what my people were doing 1900 years ago, unlike your tribe.

                      And what does it matter to Gd. Do you think that he will forgive you your sins just because your people existed 2000 years ago?
                      Quote: andreykolesov123
                      Do you yourself consider yourself sinless?

                      Of course not. But Gd did not promise Christians a successful life for righteousness. And he promised the Jews. And for 2000 years you have been wallowing in the manure.
                      Nothing seems to you based on this?
                      Quote: andreykolesov123
                      The Supreme and Gd judgment, and when people take on these functions, it ends badly for them

                      There is the Torah and the prophets who convict you. And it would be nice to understand that for the last couple of thousand years you have been going the wrong way.
                      1. andreykolesov123
                        andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 23: 31
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                        Quote: Junger
                        Quote: andreykolesov123
                        Jews are by no means an ideal people and their whole history is actually a story of departure from the commandments of Gd and punishment for it.

                        Well, don't you think that over the past 1900 years, Jews have been suffering an unprecedentedly heavy punishment for the entire time of their existence? The Holocaust alone is worth something.
                        What did the Jews do 1900 years ago that Gd sent you such problems? Can you answer clearly without pouring water?

                        ~ 1900 years ago, the Jews departed from the commandments of the Almighty and started a mutually destructive civil war. This is what they were punished for.

                        Quote: Junger

                        Quote: andreykolesov123
                        But at least I know what my people were doing 1900 years ago, unlike your tribe.

                        And what does it matter to Gd. Do you think that he will forgive you your sins just because your people existed 2000 years ago?

                        As the sky is higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts are higher than your thoughts
                        Isaiah 55: 9
                        It doesn't seem to you that you are taking on a little on yourself, trying on behalf of Gd to convict the Jews of some unthinkable sins. Think about it, maybe it's time to think about your own salvation.
                        Quote: Junger

                        Quote: andreykolesov123
                        Do you yourself consider yourself sinless?

                        Of course not. But Gd did not promise Christians a successful life for righteousness. And he promised the Jews. And for 2000 years you have been wallowing in the manure.
                        Nothing seems to you based on this?

                        You write with amazing consistency in different words about the same thing, I have already answered you about this.
                        "Those who curse you are cursed; those who bless you are blessed!"
                        Genesis 27: 29
                        Quote: Junger

                        Quote: andreykolesov123
                        The Supreme and Gd judgment, and when people take on these functions, it ends badly for them

                        There is the Torah and the prophets who convict you. And it would be nice to understand that for the last couple of thousand years you have been going the wrong way.

                        The Torah and the prophets denounce those who departed from the commandments of Judaism. I repeat to you once again, there is nothing new in your religion. If this topic interests you, then you can discuss it on the forum at Kuraev in the section of Christian-Jewish dialogue. There are authoritative clerics from both sides, and you can get a reasoned answer to all your questions. And here is a military forum, you should not deal with offtopic.
                      2. Jünger
                        Jünger 26 December 2020 00: 04
                        +1
                        ~ 1900 years ago, the Jews departed from the commandments of the Almighty and started a mutually destructive civil war. This is what they were punished for.

                        Thanks for that too. It was the answer to my question that I wanted to get. The reason is strange, of course, but it will do for a Jew.
                        If this topic interests you, then you can discuss it on the forum at Kuraev

                        He will be excommunicated to the campaign soon, so I'm not a goer to his forum.
                      3. andreykolesov123
                        andreykolesov123 26 December 2020 00: 11
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                        Quote: Junger

                        Thanks for that too. It was the answer to my question that I wanted to get. The reason is strange, of course, but it will do for a Jew.
                        He will be excommunicated to the campaign soon, so I'm not a goer to his forum.

                        Free will and you do not have to be ill.
      2. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 19: 37
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        Quote: Junger
        In fact, they originally lived there. And they must live everywhere.

        Everyone should live in their own apartment
  • flicker
    flicker 25 December 2020 10: 40
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    A text about how well military affairs are organized in Israel (especially against the background of the horrors in the Russian military-industrial complex that the same authors write about) laughing
    ---
    An iron dome to help the author. bully
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 25 December 2020 14: 32
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    As Vysotsky sang ".... there are a quarter of our people." (This is about present-day Israel) They collected a lot of good brains of engineers there and from the USSR and created serious engineering schools. Money for the UAV is not to say that it was over the edge. But the result is impressive. It is not for nothing that their UAVs were bought in Russia a decade ago. And now - just catch up!
  • andreykolesov123
    andreykolesov123 25 December 2020 23: 01
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    Quote: Junger

    It is strange for me to hear this, since I read the Old Testament and saw there numerous denunciations of the sins of the Jews and the prophets' predictions that the Jews would suffer severe punishments for this.

    If you yourself have read the OT, then this is not good, because in your religion it is permissible to do this only under the guidance of a priest. But in any case, this is not my business. Gd punished the Jews precisely for departing from the commandments, this is what you are trying to persuade me to do. I hope that you will not be punished for this because you are acting out of naivety.

    Quote: Junger

    Is it all blah blah blah for you?

    Unfortunately yes, other cults and religions for me blah blah blah.
  • madsnail1242
    madsnail1242 24 January 2021 22: 27
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    There is only one reason for leadership, it is simple and understandable! Israel cannot afford to be on the sidelines of technical progress, excuse the banality, otherwise - kirdyk!
    Moreover, in order to survive, you need to be head and shoulders above your opponents - a good incentive that those for whom war is just a hobby do not have ...
  • Dimon71
    Dimon71 2 February 2021 14: 27
    +1
    All this, of course, is nishtyaki from izrailtyan. But unmanned pilots alone will not win the war !!! Yes! They are great, they are only good against such armies as the Karabakh Defense Army !!!! So how can these drones help, say, against the war with Russia? Nothing! In the first minutes all airfields will be destroyed from which heavy unmanned aerial vehicles will take off.
  • Protos
    Protos 26 February 2021 17: 52
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    The reasons for Israel's temporary leadership are that the leading Soviet specialists and technological documentation were exported from the USSR by the "Nativ" Jewish special service in the 90s. hi
    Brain theft continues now, but on the basis of an NGO!
  • Watch
    Watch 7 March 2021 06: 56
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    There is no reception against scrap! An attack by a certain number of unmanned aerial vehicles on our territory is like an attack by fighters controlled remotely, i.e. peculiar avatars. One "avatar-drone" comes with an operator, control equipment, an analyst of the situation and situation, well, let's say a roughly 5-10 person, including the manager of such a large-scale attack in the general staff of the attacking side. For example, one drone in the field is not a warrior, everyone is scared to shivering knees by a massive attack when the missile defense system is incapable of responding due to its scale. Let's say they attacked 200 drones, 200x10 = 2000 people to them with a machine gun !!! eager to smash everything, kill! We have an attack by a large grouping, controlled and directed from the appropriate control points. In this situation, you should not ONLY chase small, elusive drones in the night, waste SAM ammunition, but strike at destroying the high-precision weapons control structure: Iskander, Krasnopol, Caliber and those that we do not know about yet, and we will only find out at the start such an attack on our country. 30 minutes - a couple of hours, and there will be no one to control and nothing. Only our country has such "answers" and we should not hesitate to use this if necessary. Conclusion: all "swarms", "flocks", "kamikaze" cannot exist and annoy in the absence of the country that sent them on a "mission", ie. this tactic is applicable for countries unable to reach the territory of the enemy that launched them. In most cases of possible aggression, the aggressor countries have a relatively small territory, which is very convenient for the destruction of the drone control structure. Drones won't fly from America, it's not about them. The rest are vulnerable, the main thing is not to breed the "flock" scenario into a "flock" or a "flock" against the air defense system.
  • Evgeny Ivanov_3
    Evgeny Ivanov_3 9 March 2021 21: 08
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    They are building UAVs, but our tasks are more important! We are getting up from our knees, for 21 years now!