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A few words about the future of liberal Russia

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Making forecasts is a thankless task, but nevertheless necessary. Understanding what needs to be done today in order for tomorrow to be better is the need of a sane person. The existence of both a person and society as a whole is made meaningful only by the ideas and goals that they are trying to achieve and realize.

Let me remind you, according to Hegel,

“There is an idea that unites society - society develops and flourishes. In the absence of such an idea, society degrades, decays, dies. "

Before proceeding with the presentation of the essence of the question posed, it should be clarified that any forecast is the result of an analysis of a set of facts and circumstances according to the laws that determine the direction of development of events.

For example, if you left point A to point B, the distance between which is 60 km, then moving at a speed of 60 km / h, you can say with a high degree of probability (according to a well-known law) that in one hour, you will reach point B. And for this period of time, your future will be predictable. Provided that "accident" does not interfere with your trip - an unforeseen circumstance. The ability to take such accidents into account improves the quality of the forecast.

A chance, as such, is not a completely unpredictable event. According to Woland from the novel The Master and Margarita,

"The brick will never fall on your head for no reason."

The basic law that we will apply in predicting the future of liberal Russia is called the law on causation. Its essence is expressed as follows: the results of today are a natural consequence of everything that was done yesterday. Tomorrow will be the result of everything we do today. The conditional straight line connecting two points "yesterday" - "today" has a name - a trend or direction of development of events.

Guided by this law, knowing the current state of affairs, both in the country and abroad, as well as the general trends in the development of events, we can build a fairly objective forecast for tomorrow.

About future


About the present day, we can say that a socialized or left-liberal project is being implemented in Russia. It makes no sense to talk about the values ​​of the liberal idea as a whole, which gave birth to capitalism, since it has exhausted itself. The socio-economic model of society created within the framework of this idea, based on the exploitation of man by man, is unjust and immoral.

The immorality of the liberal idea should be discussed separately. Economics (as a science) within the framework of the liberal idea does not operate with moral categories. There are no concepts in it: good, bad, good, evil. In these conditions, economics and morality exist in two separate realities. And liberal theorists have taught us this idea. But it doesn't have to be that way.

As you know, every phenomenon, event, fact has a form and content. With regard to a person: form is the body, and the essence is the soul (thoughts, feelings, experiences, etc.). Relations arising in connection with the acquisition, change or termination of rights regarding material and intangible benefits (civil relations), as a phenomenon, have form and content. The form is determined by civil law, the content - by the economic interests of the participants in legal relations.

In other words, law is a form of essentially economic relations. Legal norms must be provided (supported) by moral norms, otherwise they turn into what is called arbitrariness. In other words, there is a paradox: relations arising in connection with the acquisition, change or termination of rights with respect to material and intangible benefits (from the standpoint of good – bad, fair – unfair) should be governed by the form, not the content of the phenomenon itself.

The form and content of the phenomenon are inseparable. However, it is the content, not the form, that determines the phenomenon itself. Example: a person is made a person by his soul, not his body.

Thus, economics and morality should not exist in two separate realities.

The above, from the point of view of theorists of liberalism, is nonsense. However, for example, the sale of the Soviet legacy for a pittance,

"Even for nothing, just to finally bury the Soviet economy"

according to Chubais, it is economically justified and necessary for building a bright liberal future. But in relation to the state itself, which suddenly lost its economy, and to those who created it - the peoples of Russia, who turned into beggars and unhappy, - it is immoral and criminal.

And the law, as a regulator of social relations, designed to assert justice, the main criterion of which is morality, did not fulfill its function under these conditions. This is the answer to the question - should economics and morality exist in two separate realities?

As the economy improves (with the transition to the so-called “smart, digital economy” and to artificial intelligence), the law will inevitably lose its function.

In particular, at the moment, behavior on the Internet is determined not by law, but by the rules established by the owners of the networks "Facebook", "Twitter", "YouTube", etc., which must be accepted and followed by each user. This is a kind of pass to the virtual world, which to a large extent determines the worldview of everyone and public consciousness in general. If you do not follow these rules, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube will tell you goodbye.

And this is scary, because censorship (in comparison with the established rules on the Internet) is sometimes simply violent. As a consequence, this can lead human society to slavery in its new form - “digital slavery” based on the rules of corporations. And this, unfortunately, is one of the negative scenarios for the development of further events, including in Russia.

Forecast


So, to the forecast.

The state of affairs in Russia will be influenced by both internal and external factors, which we will consider separately.

The main internal factor that will determine the future of Russia for at least the next decade is the further development of the Russian state on the ideas of liberalism with a certain social orientation.

The elite in Russian society has become pragmatic and effective owners - the so-called managers like Chubais, Kudrin, Gref, etc., whose main and only goal is good indicators of income, profit, consumption, capital, etc. For a society built on liberal ideas, this is natural. But is it good?

This circumstance requires clarification.

According to Socrates, people combine two constantly conflicting opposites: soul and body.

According to I.A. Ilyin (one of the founders of the theory of state and law), in an integral personality, both opposites (principles) must be balanced. If this does not happen, one of the principles prevails.

The preponderance of the spiritual principle over the physiological (or bodily, according to Socrates) in such highly spiritualized personalities as L.N. Tolstoy, John of Kronstadt, Nicholas Svyatosha, Belize Pascal, and others, manifested itself in a complete rejection of material wealth, selfless service to his people and his faith.

Let me remind you that L.N. Tolstoy gave up all copyright to make his works publicly available. In our days, G. Perelman did the same, refusing a prize of $ 1 million for the proof of Poincaré's theorem. Many assessed their rejection of material goods as eccentricity, but absolutely everyone recognized and recognize their spiritual superiority. And in the memory of people, both of them will remain indisputable authorities.

It is quite obvious that such individuals (note, deeply religious) were given to understand, to know something that the overwhelming majority of ordinary people are both incomprehensible and inaccessible.

Unfortunately, this is much more inaccessible and incomprehensible to our ruling liberal elite. And they certainly will not remain in the memory of the people as positive heroes who selflessly serve their Fatherland.

The preponderance of the physiological principle over the spiritual (as an extreme manifestation) leads to the emergence of thieves and robbers. The shortest path to satisfying physiological needs is crime. The list of the latter is orders of magnitude longer.

Thus, according to I.A. Ilyin, which of the principles (spiritual or physiological) dictated a person's action is an absolute criterion of good and evil. It is this criterion in assessing good and evil that is laid down in all world religions without exception.

Let me remind you, according to Socrates,

Knowledge is the only good, and ignorance is the only evil. Wisdom consists in the ability to distinguish between good and bad.

In connection with the above, it would be appropriate to recall the monologue of the hero of the novel "The Era of Mercy" (The meeting place cannot be changed) Mikhail Mikhailovich, who in a conversation with Zheglov and Sharapov said the following:

“... I am deeply convinced that crime in our country will be defeated not by punitive organs, but by the natural course of our life, philanthropy, mercy. Mercy is the form of existence that I dream of, for which we all aspire in the end. Maybe now there is poverty, scarcity. In poverty, deprivation and this era is born - the era of mercy ”.

Unfortunately, what has been said is definitely not about today's liberal Russia. That Russia, which at all times (both in the Tsarist and in the era of the USSR) offered its people and the world a positive civilizational idea, which always determined its success in the most difficult historical time. At the moment, today's Russia (represented by its ruling elite) cannot offer such a positive idea to the world or its people.

The world economy (like the Russian one) is and will be in a deep crisis. And this trend has not changed. And no brilliant Russian leader can lead a country that is part of the liberal world out of this crisis.

The country's economy will not accelerate by order, the well-being of citizens will not improve, justice will not be established in society. Presidential decrees on accelerated development, breakthrough technologies, the need to enter the top five world economies, even if there are serious successes in the development of Russia's natural resources, in certain sectors of the economy, the growth of defense potential, etc. the situation as a whole will not change.

To realize all the perniciousness of liberalism for Russia, let us recall that in the 28 years after the Great Patriotic War, the completely destroyed USSR turned into a self-sufficient superpower. And over the 28 years of liberal Russia’s existence, the assets it inherited from the superpower were mainly transferred to the ownership of international corporations, the economy as a whole has actually turned into nothing, and no change for the better is visible.

To determine the development trends of liberal Russia, it is absolutely possible to draw parallels between today's Russia and the United States in the 20-30s of the last century. Except for just one circumstance: in the United States, the Founding Fathers immediately announced the national idea in the form of the "American Dream", expressing the meaning and essence of the liberal idea, which was progressive at that time. And this idea was and remains attractive not only for US citizens.

In Russia, under conditions of liberalism, such an idea as the "Russian dream" did not arise. Moreover, according to the statements of many top officials, the Russian national idea does not exist at all. We must assume, in their opinion, that the Russian people and Russian society have nothing to dream about?

In 2016, the President of Russia announced a new national idea - patriotism. But feeling cannot become a "national idea". I believe that the author himself understands this. In this case, in fact, the following is realized, citizens - only mythical "patriotism" and pension reform, and elite-like and international corporations - all the national wealth of Russia.

Positive and negative trends in the development of Russia, adjusted for a higher level of digital technologies, will be similar to those in the United States of that time. The growth of crime, corruption, a more radical split of society into the poor and the rich, and in general moral degradation - will erase all possible positives.

A state without a national idea in the long term is doomed to decay and dying, which has repeatedly taken place in world history. The overwhelming majority of citizens will be stably poor, even in comparison with the citizens of the Baltic countries, where, as you know, there are no natural resources.

The national program to combat poverty is obviously impracticable, since it is not provided with the possibilities of the Russian economy, and because of the unfair distribution of material benefits from the sale of natural resources.

Of course, there will be handouts for the elections in the form of higher wages and pensions, which inflation will immediately eat up. And after that, the Russian elite will once again show scanty concern for its people: so that citizens have enough money for sugar and sunflower oil.

Nevertheless, Russia's vast undeveloped space and natural resources could provide a relatively prosperous period for the development of the Russian economy for a decade to come. Natural resources (in the context of their acute shortage in the world) and remnants of state property subject to privatization will be sufficient to meet the needs of both the Russian elite and society as a whole. And, in the case of rational use by the state of all the resources at its disposal to achieve the announced social goals, one could look into the near future with some optimism.

But at the same time, there is one circumstance, which is difficult to foresee and which should be seriously thought about. The "leading and guiding force" of society today is the United Russia party, the charter of which states:

United Russia should be the party of the popular majority - the citizens of the country who support the President of the Russian Federation and his strategic course. "

There is no normative act that would define the very concept of "strategic course of the President", and even more its content. There are, of course, presidential decrees on national goals for a specific period, annual messages to the Federal Assembly, but this has nothing to do with the "strategic course." A strategic course without a national idea is just a phrase without content, an empty phrase.

The future of the country depends to a great extent on the will of one (endowed with virtually unlimited powers) person, whose political power has a constitutional majority in parliament. The amazing consistency in the implementation of liberal ideas in the country makes everything quite obvious.

Unfortunately (or fortunately), factors other than internal, generally favorable for the country, will determine the future of Russia. Since Russia is at the beginning of its liberal development path, which other countries (USA, Europe, Japan, etc.) have long passed, this circumstance determined its position in the liberal world - the place of an outsider.

A key feature of a liberal economy is that it can successfully exist and develop only if there is a free, untapped market for the consumption of goods, works, and services. Once the markets are saturated, the liberal economy enters a period of crisis. Free movement of finances, goods, works, services, fair competition cease to exist, which, in fact, we see in today's world.

The USA, Europe, Japan have divided the world into zones of their economic interests and will not tolerate any kind of competition from an outsider. For example, even the very possibility of manufacturing the MC-21 aircraft in Russia (for domestic consumption) in the United States is perceived as a threat to their interests, since it narrows the consumption market for American Boeing. The redistribution of markets (even the internal Russian one) is a war in which Russia is in fact already involved.

After the catastrophe of the USSR, the fate of the colony of the USA and Western Europe was prepared for Russia. Russia was supposed to turn into that free economic space that would provide with its resources a crisis-free and comfortable existence for the United States and Europe for decades to come.

But unexpectedly for everyone, Russia (in the person of its president) refused the fate prepared for it. As a result, an offer was made to the president, from which, in theory, he could not and should not have refused. And when he finally refused, the prospect of the Hague Tribunal for the downed MH-17 and the massive use of chemical weapons (Skripali, Navalny, Syria).

In response to this proposal and threats, the president said:

"You will burn in hell."

And for the sake of persuasiveness, the created "Poseidons", "Vanguards" were demonstrated, which can be applied only in one case - after the termination of the existence of Russia. For the guaranteed cessation of the existence of those who made this proposal, together with all human civilization.

Let's remember the words:

"Why do we need such a world in which Russia will not be?"

But most importantly, he pulled Russian assets out of US debts worth more than $ 100 billion, effectively refusing to finance the American economy at Russian expense, which is completely unacceptable for the United States. And the United States declared Russia a threat to the world, an outcast, and they started a war with us.

As a result, Russia in Europe was sued in all courts against Ukraine, Poland and the owners of Yukos. Initially, I believe, in the hope of settling the issue, Russia paid both Poland and Ukraine. (By the way, why does Europe need to support Ukraine when it can be done at the expense of Russia and Russian transit?)

But for Yukos, the amount is no longer a joke $ 57 billion (with penalties), which exceeds the annual budget of the Russian Defense Ministry. Up to this point, liberal Russia has paid off all debts. And it will probably pay off this debt as well. In the presence of this debt, the path to the global liberal space will be closed. And the adopted amendments to the Russian Constitution on the supremacy of Russian legislation over international law will not help. This circumstance will have an extremely negative impact on the country's budget in the future.

And the next MH-17 case is on its way with a predictable result.

It is known from open sources that the US debt has reached $ 22 trillion. The United States eats up significantly more than it earns. As one of the heroes of the Weiner brothers' novel said,

"The Minotaur is not to blame for being hungry all the time."

External debt is insignificant by American standards, the amount - 6,2 trillion dollars. About $ 16 trillion in domestic debt. The main creditor is a private structure - the FRS. And the owners of the FRS will not write off their debts and will not forgive them.

In addition, the wealth of all the richest people in the world (in fact, like the Russian oligarchy), which is very important for understanding what is happening, is stored in dollars and US securities. And at the moment there is no alternative to the dollar as a universal means of settlement and preservation of capital.

In this regard, all the arguments that take place that the US dollar is about to collapse is a deliberate lie. The United States, as a debtor, will repay debts as needed. The only question is how and at whose expense?

The choice is not great - Russia, China, the European Union. Partially successful actions of Trump to receive money from Europe (for security and defense against "Russian aggression", for liquefied gas) indicate that in the future it will not be Europe.

China, as an economic superpower, was mainly formed as a result of the flow of capital from the United States, where American corporations continue to receive significant income. In addition, China made certain concessions in the form of trade duties, obligations to purchase American products and, we emphasize, did not sell American debts. Thus, China will not be the primary target either.

What remains is Russia, whose property is largely owned by international corporations, but Russia does not pay taxes either. But this is obviously not enough. And Russia, as always in history, will have to rely again on the patriotism of the people and on its Armed Forces.

Under the circumstances, S. Lavrov's words that Europe should be guided by its own national interests in relations with Russia are touching. Europe is precisely guided by its own national interests. They do not negotiate with the colonies, they are robbed. And if not by invasion, then by court decision or other machinations. There is every reason to believe that the decision on Yukos is a conspiracy, in which the governments of Western Europe are also interested.

The situation for Russia is aggravated by the fact that, as already mentioned above, the liberal elite cannot offer their people and the world a positive, attractive, fair civilizational idea.

The European Union is much more attractive in this respect than Russia. This is due to the fact that the European Union implements a kind of principle of justice, the essence of which is that the incomes of the richest countries of the European Union are partially redistributed in favor of the poor.

And with regard to the Baltic countries, EU assistance is, in general, a decent price to pay for the elimination of a competitor in the form of their own economy. The logic is simple: we pay you, you buy our goods, works, services. And it should be noted that the welfare of the citizens of the Baltic countries is higher than that of the Russian ones. And there are also more opportunities for citizens to realize themselves, moving around Europe in search of better work and place of residence.

In connection with the above, the drift of the former Soviet republics towards the West is a natural process, and no diplomatic measures can influence this circumstance. Liberal Russia has nothing to offer its neighbors; it does not have the moral superiority that it has always had. The idea of ​​membership in the European Union and NATO is in all respects more attractive than a pragmatic friendship with Russia. For the sake of achieving this goal, Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, Armenia, the Baltic States, Poland (let's leave Belarus behind for now) are ready to deploy US and NATO bases on their territory, without looking at Iskander and other deadly weapons, and are even ready to fight with Russia. They have no doubt that Russia will not withstand, and that our liberal elite will again commit another betrayal at a critical moment.

Russia surprisingly managed to avoid the war in Karabakh. In fact, both participants in the war have long ceased to be Russia's allies. But the war in Donbass and Transnistria is unlikely to be avoided. Ukraine managed to create powerful and sufficiently motivated armed forces that are capable of crushing the LPNR in the shortest possible time.

Superiority over the forces of the LDNR by 4-7 times or more in various respects. And all that Ukraine needs to resolve the issue with Donbass is to receive guarantees from the United States and NATO that Russia will not interfere in this war. So far, these guarantees have not been received, but this is only for now. And, I must say, regardless of the results of a future war, Russia will have to pay: either for the restoration of the newly annexed territories (in case of victory), or (as the losing side) - for the damage caused. Nobody canceled the courts in Europe.

conclusions


As a result, we have the following.

The meaning of the existence of Russian society, Russian civilization is not defined.

The state of Russia in the liberal paradigm can be described in one word - suffering.

Does the Russian elite understand this? Certainly.

Will it take steps to abandon the construction of a socio-economic model of society in Russia on liberal ideas? Expanding the public sector of the economy? To the establishment of the principle of justice in society? To carry out the same de-dollarization? It seems unlikely. As they say,

"Own shirt is closer to the body."

I would like, of course, to believe in the best. The fact that there is something positive behind the president's silence regarding his "strategic course", for the announcement and implementation of which the time has not yet come. Indeed, in the past he was one of those who should have had

"Clean hands, cold heads and warm hearts."

The recreated power of the armed forces, their ability to solve almost any problem, inspires hope for success. It would only be the will of the Russian elite.

China


In conclusion, a few words should be said about China.

In 10-15 years, China will be the absolute leader in the economy, and nothing can influence this circumstance. The goals pursued by China are clearly spelled out in the Charter of the Chinese Communist Party.

China has everything to implement its national idea - building a socially just society (communism): economy, science, finance, will, experience (including the USSR), an understanding of where to move. Chinese capitalism, when the need arises, will end in the same way as the NEP in the USSR did.

There is no alternative to the planned economy in the future. And as soon as China becomes the absolute world leader in all matters, liberalism (as a civilizationally unfair idea) will irrevocably become a thing of the past.

And in this case, liberal Russia may find itself on the sidelines of history.
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  1. iouris
    iouris 24 December 2020 12: 04
    +6
    The word "liberal" is used out of place - "petty bourgeois".
    1. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 24 December 2020 12: 13
      +28
      Quote: iouris
      The word "liberal" is used out of place - "petty bourgeois".

      Honestly, the socio-political and economic system in Russia is difficult to describe in one or two words.
      And the fact that we have rotten everything from bottom to top is a fact.
      1. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 24 December 2020 12: 36
        +4
        I believe that liberal Russia has no future. As a confirmation, I will cite the example of the Provisional Government after February 1917. How long did it last?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 24 December 2020 13: 00
          +16
          Until the authorities of the Russian Federation deprive even Gorbachego the highest award of the Russian Federation - of the Order Saint Andrew the Apostle First-Called, as true patriots of Russia demand, there is even no point in raising the question of a truly prosperous future for Russia.

          Liberal-colonial Russia has neither a sovereign nor a POWERFUL future, except for its further colonial disintegration!

          Medvedev and Gorbachev summer 2011


          How did Gorbachev betray the USSR and sell his homeland? [Mikhail Soviet]
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 24 December 2020 13: 05
            +16
            But the colonial consequences for the Russian Federation as a result of the USSR's loss to the United States of America in the Cold War were more than 2 times more catastrophic than in the Hot War of the USSR during the Second World War.

            And these consequences for the Russian Federation as a result of the USSR's defeat in the Cold War to the West and the United States are still not exhausted in the post-Soviet space, but are only getting worse.

            Aftermath of the COLD WAR • 9 Jan. Dec 2019
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 24 December 2020 16: 06
              +7
              ..... The era of mercy .....

              Recently, I somehow began to remember the 91st year, we came to Leningrad from the Far North. New was - TV programs, radio. I remembered this --- they criticized the "equalization" approach under the USSR. They say that you have to be like everyone else, and those who are not like that were rejected. All kinds of dissimilar people spoke out and complained about difficulties, rejection ... there were programs about orphanages, invalids, deceived, about mercy began to say that this is a good word, and they say it was not accepted to use. These were the programs at the beginning of capitalism, "capitalism with a human face" was promoted. And where is this face 30 years after all the optimizations
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 24 December 2020 17: 27
                +6
                Quote: Reptiloid
                "capitalism with a human face" was promoted.
                I remember well the 80s and 90s in St. Petersburg. It then came down to curiosities.
                I remember one incident from those years in my family.

                My husband at that time worked at a military factory. They were not paid their salaries for six months. But the people, like in a war, still continued to work, realizing that their products are still needed for the country's defense.
                The workers at the plant became impoverished. Family savings ended, already the factory canteen was closed a long time ago due to the lack of buyers.
                And then one day my husband comes home from work. I meet him in the hallway. And he undresses in the hallway and, laughing, cannot utter a word to me.
                - What? What happened? I ask him.
                - And you know that I am the richest in our factory!
                - What nonsense? Why do you think so? And the director? And the chief engineer?
                And he laughs:
                - Well, they too!
                Well, he told me with a laugh and told me what was happening at their military plant. They were not paid their salaries for half a year. As a result, all the workers have become so impoverished that most of them have worn out their last pants to the extent of six months, and there is no money at all to buy new ones. And it got to the point that at their factory two months ago, on this occasion, even a society was organized under the name "Wearing Cowards". Only 30 people entered it from all over the plant. And over the past two months, only 3 people remained in this society "Wearing Panties" with my husband.
                “And today,” he says, “and these two of them, besides him, already go to work without panties.
                - And how did you notice it?
                - Well, we urinate in the toilet not like you women, not in separate booths! So I saw.
                - Well, maybe they just spread their panties for the night, but they just didn't have time. dry.
                - So they have no spare! All!
                And I sewed well. And for my husband, not so long ago before that, I sewed 10 pieces of "family members" for the future, since we had a lot of fabric in our house. Panties: colored, polka-dot, flowers, plaid, striped; satin, chintz, flannel and even one of the thin six are different.
                In general, he laughed, laughed, and then hugged me and said:
                - You know, I'm so happy that I have a wife like you!

                I still remember this incident from those times like yesterday!
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 24 December 2020 18: 26
                  +3
                  .... And I sewed well ...
                  hi hi I was very puzzled by your comment, Tatiana recourse . Literally yesterday, my mother began to remember how much they sewed on the expedition themselves. And bed linen, and for children, and miscellaneous. Geologists gathered in the evening in the winter, looked at the patterns, discussed, After all, there was a shortage of everything ... And we, small things, in a room on a tricycle, on toy cars, we had a 24m room in a wooden house ..... more + kitchen and my little room .....
                  In short, she says: "just look, soon they will have to sew again, and now very few people know how to do it themselves"
                  Somehow synchronicity is alarming.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 24 December 2020 18: 48
                  +7
                  ...... their salaries were not paid there for half a year, But the people, like in a war, continued to work, realizing that their products were for the defense of the country ...

                  These are very important words, Tatiana. I began to reread your comment and ---- understood!
                  We often hear such words - why did the people not come out to defend the USSR?
                  And the people defended! And more than one year! Going to work at factories and research institutes without wages! I wanted to help the country in this way, expecting that, be patient a little, and everything will work out. Probably, it was also in small towns. And for more than one year, they listened to the promises of the humpbacked ... hoped ... after all, he promised more socialism. They tortured the people on purpose ...
              2. Aviator_
                Aviator_ 24 December 2020 20: 50
                +7
                Well, Dmitry, you have your own childish perception of the demolition of 1991. I was 36 then, just defended my dissertation, and it was not clear - the country was collapsing, and the top leadership did not even think about defending the country. The ideology was defended not by professionals from the Central Committee of the CPSU, but by people who had no direct relation to governing the country - Nina Andreeva (article "I cannot give up my principles"), Viktor Anpilov, the Gosteleradio correspondent for Latin America, and others. Yes, the same General Albert Makashov, the first deputy commander of the ZakVO (the commander of the ZakVO, it seems, was waiting for what would happen) in 1988 put the entire leadership of the "Popular Front of Armenia" under his power due to the introduction of martial law in the earthquake zone. And it became quiet in Armenia, but not for long - Makashov was removed from there for some reason. That is, my idea is this - the top leadership carefully prepared the surrender of the country and the change in the political system.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 24 December 2020 22: 51
                  +1
                  hi hello, Sergey! say ----
                  .... your perception .... childish .....

                  So how old was I? I was able to read from 4,5 years old ... When all this happened, adults did not discuss what was happening in my presence. The new city, everything is different, although I used to come here ..... I wrote about the programs, because I did not go to kindergarten, but everything was interesting. I and slave Izaura watched other TV shows, not to mention cartoons. It is interesting that when I recently started talking to friends about those programs about extra people and mercy, everyone was goggling. ???? !!!!! And then they themselves began to remember about it. They also remembered that dating services began to appear then, about which I did not know.
                  I hope that my perception is adult, I just try to connect my childhood memories with what happened
                  1. Aviator_
                    Aviator_ 25 December 2020 08: 13
                    +1
                    Hello Dmitry. If you remember the 1980 film "Moscow Does Not Believe in Tears", then there is an episode with the "dating club" (Akhedzhakova suggests that Aletnova enroll there), and the film was released in 1980, the script had been written earlier. In fact, these are dating services, only in a different form. Probably, earlier there was no need for these services, life was more collective - the same communal apartments, courtyards. Remember the films of the early 60s - people could dance to the radio in the yard, by the end of the 60s this disappeared, there was more individualism. I do not mean that this is bad - just such a development. The same dating service in the countryside is wild, in the village everyone knows everything about everyone. The first marriage announcements in newspapers appeared in the Baltics in the 70s (well, of course, it's Europe!), It looked strange here then. Later, by the end of the 80s, everything blossomed with us. I also remembered the film that was shown on TV for the new 1973 - "This Merry Planet". Good movie. So it also discusses the issue of choosing a partner using a computer. And the fact that your perception of 1991 is childish - so this is its value. I have a childish perception of the late 50s and early 60s, in Limonov's work "We Had a Great Epoch" - the preschooler's perception of life in Kharkov in the late 40s and early 50s.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 25 December 2020 09: 57
                      0
                      Good morning Sergey! About cinema
                      ..... "dating club" ..... 1980 ....
                      I also remembered my interlocutors, to which they explained to me that it was in Moscow, and in Leningrad there were dance evenings in the recreation center with the inscription ---- someone over 30. And there were also announcements --- a disco. But in the 90s these stories about personal lonely life became on the radio. There were ads in Leningrad newspapers about acquaintances.
                      Yes, by the 90s after Stalin's death the elite led the country slowly and gradually, trying to gradually reformat the attitude of the population towards socialism, very slowly. Probably, a milestone in this was 1967, the 50th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution, after which the processes accelerated.
                      1. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 25 December 2020 16: 40
                        +1
                        Probably, a milestone in this was 1967, the 50th anniversary of the Great October Socialist Revolution. After him, the processes accelerated.

                        Quite right, in 1967 the construction of "developed socialism" was announced. After Khrushchev's experiments and attempts at the same failed economic reforms by Lieberman - Kosygin (1965), everything stopped. Stagnation began. Although Brezhnev had the opportunity to reanimate the Stalinist economic legacy, the liberals of the sixth century did not let him do it. In 1969, on the 100th anniversary of Stalin, there was a huge letter from various liberal scum from academicians and other "creative" rabble, which warned against such a step. So stagnation began.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 25 December 2020 20: 20
                        +1
                        Aha! About this letter in 1969, I did not know and have never met!
                        There were some similar letters from liberalism in other, later times. Like an alcoholic? And then too? All sorts of nasty things, or in defense of their own brothers who have committed crimes
                        It is interesting that just in 1969 the novel by the Soviet writer Vyvolod Kochetov “What do you want” was published, there the creative people were also outraged. And the nomenclature too. It was a warning novel, a foresight novel.
                        Why do I think it was 1967? The poem "Rebuke to the Deadline" appeared. !!!!!! But the author was not subjected, his books were published. Published in 1993.
                      3. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 25 December 2020 20: 36
                        +1
                        To my shame I learned about Vsevolod Kochetov's novel only recently. At that time I was doing a lot of studies and was not at all interested in politics - I naively thought that, just like I do physics, somewhere out there, in the depths of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, they are also engaged in social sciences. If you need, I will find this letter and send the scan. Actually, this "Writers' Union" is still that gadyushnik. There were so-called village writers who were whining about the fate of the village, living in Moscow and Leningrad. They screamed about the inadmissibility of turning part of the flow of northern rivers (Stalin's plan for transforming nature). There were various liberals, like Weller. However, then he was not yet fully revealed. They were not interesting to me at all. There was absolutely magnificent Viktor Konetsky, the sea captain, who wrote wonderful things. By the way, Vera Panova recommended Konetsky to the joint venture, who was much scolded for not describing collapsing collective farms, the Gulag, or Jewish suffering in her works of Stalin's time. Films "Seryozha" and "For the rest of my life" were shot according to her scripts.
                      4. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 25 December 2020 20: 53
                        0
                        And how would you know, Sergei, if the novel was immediately confiscated and exposed? And you were a schoolboy then. Reprinted in 2015 About him, probably, and not talked about under socialism? After all, there were probably other warning books. How many warning films were there, which were then hushed up or hidden under the rug. Now they can be on the network
                      5. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 25 December 2020 21: 08
                        +1
                        You can read about Kochetov in Vick. His "Zhurbiny" is a classic that we went through at school. And there is a film from the 50s. The novel "What do you want" was not confiscated, there was simply nothing about it, in 1973 Kochetov shot himself. A lot of different liberals, both here and those who have squeezed over the hill (V. Nekrasov), happily hounded Kochetov.
                      6. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 25 December 2020 21: 20
                        +1
                        I heard good things about the novel "Zhurbiny", and the liberals wrote a denunciation against the writer to the Central Committee. For Stalinism. And they wrote denunciation against Pasternak for being bourgeois and pro-Western. As women with low social responsibility.
                      7. Aviator_
                        Aviator_ 25 December 2020 21: 28
                        +1
                        I heard good things about the novel "Zhurbiny"

                        Look at the film, the artists are good, you will absorb the whole work in an hour and a half, but you will have to read a couple of days.
                2. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 24 December 2020 22: 58
                  +1
                  ...... the top leadership carefully prepared the surrender of the country and the change in the political system.
                  Yes, it has been. Since the time of Khrushchev, caring people have tried to write and talk about it. .........
                3. A_Lex
                  A_Lex 25 December 2020 01: 45
                  +2
                  That is, my idea is this - the top leadership carefully prepared the surrender of the country and the change in the political system.


                  It is understandable that the Central Committee and the KGB purposefully surrendered the country for the sake of further privatization of state assets. Without the approval and support of the highest power of the state, and even under the conditions of the command-administrative system, no process could have been organized by itself. It is like a "color revolution" that wins only where the central government does not use force against the street. Therefore, the "color revolution" could not win either in Venezuela or in Belarus.
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 24 December 2020 16: 43
              +4
              Author - BRAVO !!!!!
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 24 December 2020 21: 23
            +7
            Quote: Tatiana
            Until the authorities of the Russian Federation deprive even Gorbachego of the highest award of the Russian Federation - the Order of the Holy Apostle Andrew the First-Called, as the true patriots of Russia demand, there is even no point in raising the question of a truly prosperous future for Russia.

            Then it's tobacco! In power, those who owe him the lid of the coffin and they have a desire to preserve this tale ... for themselves
        2. 210ox
          210ox 24 December 2020 13: 33
          +13
          Hmm .. Avor still believes the words of the president ... what... It seems to be a clever article, but the events of recent years show that we only have to pay and repent.
          1. Reptiloid
            Reptiloid 24 December 2020 14: 45
            0
            Quote: 210ox
            Hmm .. Avor still believes the words of the president ... what... It seems to be a clever article, but the events of recent years show that we only have to pay and repent.

            hi Well yes for! For the liberals, everyone is paying off in one way or another, and they will be later, and at least that in their eyes.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 24 December 2020 13: 05
        +3
        And the fact that everything is rotten from bottom to top is a fact

        - deliberately 30 years ago we went into "initial accumulation of capital", a democratic society and the foundations of a market economy should have been created in 30 years - all tasks have been completed !!!!!!!!!!!! the problems of those who disagree with them are not the problems of the winners (external and internal Russian)
        1. ALARI
          ALARI 24 December 2020 14: 09
          +10
          I think all the same from top to bottom. It all started from the top, the infection started from there.
      3. Hypertension
        Hypertension 24 December 2020 15: 43
        +4
        Quote: Stroporez
        Honestly, the socio-political and economic system in Russia is difficult to describe in one or two words.

        Difficult, but possible. True, these words are unprintable and very rude ...
      4. Overlock
        Overlock 24 December 2020 21: 21
        +7
        Quote: Stroporez
        Honestly, the socio-political and economic system in Russia is difficult to describe in one or two words.

        Why? Only the Moderator will not miss
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    2. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 24 December 2020 12: 17
      +22
      Quote: iouris
      petty bourgeois

      Where did you see the petty bourgeoisie? In our country, the tone is set by persons who are especially close to the body of the emperor, and this kagal cannot be called petty-bourgeois. Or are you talking about their thinking?
      1. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 24 December 2020 12: 38
        +1
        Well, these "few words" about the future of liberal Russia are long, dreary, entertaining and confused! And if "a few words", then - please: LIBERAL Russia HAS NO FUTURE!
        1. Fan-fan
          Fan-fan 24 December 2020 15: 36
          +11
          I agree that there is no future. But do you understand or not that Putin is the main liberal?
          1. Vladimir Mashkov
            Vladimir Mashkov 24 December 2020 15: 45
            .
            Please read here on VO today's article "Alexander Rogers: A Socialist Revolution Has Occurred in Russia" and repeat the question.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 24 December 2020 18: 31
              -3
              On December 19, an article was published here on VO "Russia has chosen the ideal path of its development". And it says that Russia has its own special way! It - combination elements of capitalism and socialism, state and market economies. As in China. Only with its own unique peculiarity, unique Russian flavor. And yesterday's meeting of the State Council outlined the development paths for Russia, and Prime Minister Mishustin presented the Unified Plan. Is it really bad? No, for Russian patriots this is good. This is bad for the enemies of Russia, who will bypass me with all their might, hiding behind their false patriotism and the fight against liberalism!
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 24 December 2020 21: 25
              +12
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              A socialist revolution took place in Russia "

              how so! The revolution is socialist, but in the power of the bourgeois on the bourgeoisie?
      2. Paul
        Paul 24 December 2020 13: 26
        +6
        I agree. Bourgeois - in the sense of small entrepreneurs - the share in the economy is ridiculous, and they usually do not live brilliantly. The salaries of officials and employees of government agencies are often several times higher than the profit of small businesses. This is especially noticeable in the example of employees of the Moscow offices of state corporations where salary of 200-300 is generally the minimum, and 500-700 is in the order of things.
    3. Deniska999
      Deniska999 24 December 2020 15: 34
      +9
      They ask how it is possible to explain the adoption by the State Duma of yesterday's large package of laws on the further tightening of screws - on foreign agents, on libel, on pickets, on the ban on social networks, etc. It seems, as you write, “the intelligentsia is hiding and trembling,” why is all this necessary if society is already very submissive?
      Everything is true, but there are some nuances. This package of laws shows that the levers of control even for such a submissive society, entrenched in self-isolators and busy with physiological survival, are still lost. Bureaucratic mechanisms are weakening, the country is increasingly moving into an emergency situation.

      But in general, the situation is in historical trends. I wrote more than once, in the medium and long term Russia is a very easily predictable country. The first indicator is constant: domestic and foreign policy is dependent on extensive commodities supplied abroad. There used to be furs, grain. Now - hydrocarbons. Russia is a very globalized country and we are highly dependent on world politics and economics.

      Further, the Russian Order has only 2 cycles: Freeze and Thaw-Perestroika. Brake gas. The first cycle is 22-30 years, i.e. approximately the life of one generation, and we see that the country has now, statistically and historically, entered the beginning of the end of the Frost, which is already 21 years old. At the end of each such cycle of setting up the Arrangement, masses of system errors accumulate, and so that the situation does not go haywire, they tighten the nuts (or even tape the flying parts with adhesive tape). Managerially, the situation today is no different from 1852, 1951 or 1983.

      Then, accordingly, the Thaw-Perestroika cycle will begin, usually it takes 8-10 years. The settings of the Organization are reset, it is repaired, cleared of bugs, run through the "antivirus", the degraded boyar pressures are replaced with new ones, etc. Refreshed, the Set goes into Freeze again.

      So everything that is happening today is logical, and it’s even good that this is happening, which means that the historical cycle has entered its final phase. In addition, life still flows, in the short-term stage life is always in full swing in Russia: Pupkin is changed to Zalupkin, scandals, intrigues, investigations, urban society is gradually growing up, there is less and less brutality and more and more humanization.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 24 December 2020 21: 28
        +4
        Quote: Deniska999
        the historical cycle has entered its final phase.

        and it will end after Pupkin is gone. But after that, as history shows, it will go to hell
    4. Svarog
      Svarog 24 December 2020 15: 46
      +4
      Quote: iouris
      The word "liberal" is used out of place - "petty bourgeois".

      Wonderful article by Vladimir Karasev 1000+.
      And in this case, liberal Russia may find itself on the sidelines of history.

      Liberal Russia, if all predictions come true, will soon be gone. And the author's forecasts are verified and justified and does not say anything about what will be different.
  2. prior
    prior 24 December 2020 12: 05
    +9
    Looking at Russia without rose-colored glasses is getting cold.
    1. antivirus
      antivirus 24 December 2020 13: 06
      +1
      without rose-colored glasses - it is getting cold .--- are we getting bronze? or does granite harden after an eruption?
      1. prior
        prior 24 December 2020 13: 11
        +7
        After it has cooled down completely, it can be in bronze, or in granite ...
        1. antivirus
          antivirus 24 December 2020 13: 14
          +3
          in Eurasia, more often in burial mounds, in mother-cheese the earth was wrapped than in stone
          I have time to look back ..., I will hug the ground tightly



          Scythians
  3. apro
    apro 24 December 2020 12: 09
    +9
    And in this case, liberal Russia may find itself on the sidelines of history.

    Yes, it's hard not to agree ...
  4. atos_kin
    atos_kin 24 December 2020 12: 11
    +16
    liberal Russia may be on the sidelines of history

    She's already there.
    1. apro
      apro 24 December 2020 12: 19
      0
      Quote: atos_kin
      liberal Russia may be on the sidelines of history

      She's already there.

      But the point of no return has not yet been passed ... just hope that there are forces that can change the course ... and are there any such forces?
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 24 December 2020 12: 47
        +6
        ... and are there any such forces?
        Something today our articles are some kind of decadent. Either about the fleet, now about the rights, now about the liberals in general (a century would not have seen them). So it pulls on depresnyak. I’ll go to the lard and tear the button accordion !!! wassat
        1. apro
          apro 24 December 2020 14: 04
          -1
          Quote: NDR-791
          So it pulls on depresnyak.

          A clear understanding of what is happening. One of the stimuli of action. You cannot overcome the leader.
      2. antivirus
        antivirus 24 December 2020 13: 10
        +1
        passed for our formation.
        another country based on the Russian "superethnos" or simpler culture will be DIFFERENT.
        the longer we pull the strap of "preserving today's Ros-s-s-s-i-and-dew-s-i-i-y - p --- rrr - aaaaa" - the less is morally suitable for the future.
        we are not masters of our own destiny - they are in London and Washington.
        as well as WWII (section of Czechoslovakia) will be announced to us from the side ...
      3. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 24 December 2020 15: 40
        +3
        But the point of no return has not yet been passed ... just hope that there are forces that can change the course ... and are there any such forces?

        It's simple - we need fair elections that will bring absolutely new people with new thoughts “to the top”, since this swamp will be long with the former liberals in power.
        1. apro
          apro 24 December 2020 15: 49
          +2
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          It's simple - you need fair elections

          Fan.fan .... well, not funny shit ....
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 24 December 2020 17: 01
            -2
            Yes, I’m somehow embarrassed about what I said about fair elections. But there are examples: presidents are changing all over the world, even in Ukraine. So their elections were almost fair.
        2. Overlock
          Overlock 24 December 2020 21: 29
          +8
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          we need fair elections that will bring absolutely new people with new thoughts to the top

          it is against this that the gopota who has seized power is fighting. Pamfilova for this exists
  5. voronin
    voronin 24 December 2020 12: 11
    +11
    I would like, of course, to believe in the best. The fact that behind the president's silence regarding his "strategic course" is hidden something positive, for the announcement and implementation of which the time has not yet come

    So we can only hope.
    1. Note
      Note 24 December 2020 13: 07
      +8
      This is if you believe that the president does not follow the course that he was outlined by those who put him in this place. And so that the people in Russia do not "kick up" and again take power from the liberal elites, they pretend that there is a confrontation. And they feed the people with it while everything goes according to plan. This is just a guess, in simple terms. True creepy and hopefully wrong.
  6. Deniska999
    Deniska999 24 December 2020 12: 14
    +5
    Who said that China will definitely become a leader? We know very little about this country and the processes within it to draw such conclusions. So far, apart from the electronic concentration camp and the eternal Xi, China has no attractive idea.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 14: 43
      +4
      And what attractive idea can Chinese National Socialism offer to other countries and peoples under the guise of communism? The author is naive to the extreme, like Wait will take China and turn off the path of capitalism in one moment. Oha, oha. At one point, he will only put on bast shoes and gird a kimono both once and in communism.
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 24 December 2020 15: 56
        +10
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        The author is naive to the extreme, like wait will take China and turn off the path of capitalism in one moment

        China is systematically moving towards socialism .. on its own, some special way .. but this is a fact, if earlier in China they did not pay pensions at all, now about a billion Chinese people receive pensions. Their standard of living, like the salary, is significantly higher than ours; now they are tightening the social component ..
        China is great .. in their place could be the USSR .. but in the 90s we changed places ..
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 15
          0
          Uh-huh. With Chinese characteristics. Tovarisch Si told us about this more than once. But for some reason, Chinese socialism somehow suspiciously strongly resembles National Socialism. Guess why.
        2. A_Lex
          A_Lex 25 December 2020 02: 00
          +2
          Their standard of living, like salary, is significantly higher than ours


          A high standard of living in itself is not a characteristic of socialism. In Switzerland, for example, or in South Korea, the standard of living is high, but there is no socialism.

          A high standard of living, in turn, means a high level of consumption. Thus, if we define a high standard of living as a criterion for socialism, then we can come to the conclusion that socialism is a highly developed consumer society. What a complete nonsense.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 25 December 2020 13: 18
            0
            A high standard of living, in turn, means a high level of consumption.

            A philosophical question .. In the USSR, the level of material consumption was, let's say, average. But - the population had access to a heap of other benefits, medicine, education, recreation, security .. Few are available to the people in very many even developed countries. So what was the ultimate standard of living in the Union?
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 25 December 2020 14: 29
              0
              So what was the ultimate standard of living in the Union?


              Sufficient for each person to be able to self-actualize in the area in which they wanted. If you think a little, it turns out that the system provided everyone with tremendous opportunities.

              In the capital countries, there was never such a goal, because the jungle system was implemented there, in which everyone had to fight for their physical existence. Therefore, in Maslow's pyramid, which characterizes the cap. country, at the top there are a few percent of those who managed to self-actualize, and not just work for the money that he will spend on food, clothing, heating his home, etc.

              This is the fundamental difference between the systems. Under socialism, consumption is a means, while under capitalism, consumption is an end.
  7. tank64rus
    tank64rus 24 December 2020 12: 15
    +3
    Well, we need to change this "elite" to the real one. We have a huge experience of NEP, which China took advantage of. And we are all wandering in the liberal swamp of the economy. The GDPR issue introduced the law on citizenship for officials to the State Duma. Where is he and at what stage. Silence. Need an ideology example is the same China.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 14: 45
      +4
      First, change your feudal thinking at least to the capitalist one and then let's talk.
  8. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 24 December 2020 12: 17
    +19
    The future of the country depends to a great extent on the will of one (endowed with virtually unlimited powers) person,


    liberal Russia


    I got a cognitive dissonance - how does a power exist, with unlimited power of one person, and is it liberal ?! laughing

    I'll go for a drink, all knowledge in philosophy went down the drain ... laughing
    1. TAMBU
      TAMBU 24 December 2020 12: 52
      +6
      and if you count as people only the richest strata of society ... so less contradictions?)
    2. Pilot
      Pilot 24 December 2020 13: 03
      +11
      Russia cannot be understood with the mind, philosophers cannot be measured by works. Lean on the glass, perhaps an insight will come. laughing The author is also a little lost about Putin (the main liberal) - invite him to join us too .. drinks
    3. Sergey39
      Sergey39 24 December 2020 13: 25
      .
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I got cognitive dissonance -

      I agree. The author, it seems, lives in a parallel reality and for a year was unable to notice the change in the development paradigm from liberal-democratic to state capitalism. And this is practically socialism. Only without revolutions.
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 25 December 2020 02: 09
        0
        from liberal democratic to state capitalism. And this is practically socialism.


        Capitalism is not socialism. Neither theoretically nor practically. In the USSR, let me remind you that most of the time in the Criminal Code private property and the exploitation of man by man were prohibited. And the state, which is noteworthy, did not exploit a person either, taking into account the really working trade unions, the provision of housing, the minimum wage for which it was possible to live tolerably, if not chic, real labor protection at work, a real 8-hour working day and 2 days off and much more, which is now not even dreamed of.
        1. Sergey39
          Sergey39 25 December 2020 12: 33
          0
          Nevertheless, Lenin once said: "Socialism is nothing more than a state-capitalist monopoly, aimed at the benefit of the entire people."
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 25 December 2020 13: 02
            0
            Lenin once said


            Lenin said a lot of things. There is no point in taking his individual phrases out of context and using them as a universal explanation. Lenin is a man, not an a priori exponent of absolute truth. And any person, without exception, tends to be wrong.
            1. Sergey39
              Sergey39 25 December 2020 13: 20
              0
              Yes, of course. That there is the opinion of some Lenin against yours.
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 25 December 2020 13: 38
                -1
                That there is the opinion of some Lenin against yours.


                Manipulation. You, not me, called Lenin "some". I said that everyone can be wrong. Only the practice of applying theory in reality is the criterion of truth.
                1. Sergey39
                  Sergey39 25 December 2020 14: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: A_Lex
                  Manipulation

                  Demagogy.
                  1. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 25 December 2020 14: 33
                    -1
                    Demagogy.


                    Yes, you have both demagoguery and manipulation, which in turn is an exhaustive characteristic.
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 25 December 2020 13: 13
          +1
          Formally, it was exploited, for part of the workers' labor was also alienated. The question is in whose favor and for what needs. Under socialism - the state receives the profit, which sends it to public needs. Under capitalism, it is stupidly put into the pocket of a private trader.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 25 December 2020 14: 01
            -2
            Formally - exploited


            What is formal is not interesting. Everyone's work cannot be carried out absolutely free from society as a whole. The essence of exploitation is that a person works excessively, and in return receives insufficient resources and services that he needs to meet his basic needs. In this sense, there was no operation in the USSR most of the time.

            Under socialism, profit is not a goal. Let me remind you that the profit, as a goal, was returned by the Kosygin reform in the mid-60s. After that, a period of stagnation naturally began, i.e. the period when socialism has already ceased to be built officially, and capitalism has not yet begun to be built officially.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 25 December 2020 14: 09
              +1
              Question: How to understand the category of profit in the USSR?

              Answer: We need a certain profit. Without profit, we cannot form reserves, accumulate, provide defense tasks, meet social needs. Here you can see that there is labor for oneself and labor for society.

              The very word profit is very dirty. It would be nice to have some other concept. But which one? Maybe a net income. We have a completely different content behind the category of profit. We do not have a spontaneous overflow of capital, there is no law of competition. We do not have the capitalist law of maximum profit, as well as average profit. But it is impossible to develop our economy without profit. For our enterprises, the minimum profit is sufficient, and sometimes they can operate without profit at the expense of the profit of other enterprises. We distribute our funds ourselves. Under capitalism, only profitable enterprises can exist. We have very profitable, and unprofitable, and completely unprofitable enterprises. In the first years, our heavy industry did not give profit, and then it began to give. In the early years, her businesses themselves need funds.
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 25 December 2020 14: 24
                -1
                The very word profit is very dirty. It would be nice to have some other concept.


                Very correct words. If not, but in demand, then you need to formulate. Now the term "profit" means precisely capitalist profit within the framework of the only goal under capitalism - to maximize profit. Under socialism, of course, profit is not an end in itself.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 25 December 2020 16: 10
                  0
                  Very correct words.

                  Still, remembering the author ... wink
                  1. A_Lex
                    A_Lex 25 December 2020 19: 20
                    -1
                    Still, remembering the author


                    The author does not play a role. Words are correct only because they correspond to the real state of affairs. There are no absolute authorities, there have never been and never will be.
          2. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
            Andrey Krasnoyarsky 25 December 2020 16: 01
            +2
            In theory, great. But in practice? Why, even in the era of the highest prosperity of the USSR (this is the 70s - the first half of the 800s), in terms of labor productivity, living standards and the availability of material goods, was much inferior to the leading capitalist countries? If we take today, why is the completely socialist DPRK in all economic indicators so far behind the completely bourgeois South Korea? They may object to me: but in Finland - Sweden-Norway socialism and people live the best in the world. In fact, this is just a common myth. In the listed Scandinavian countries, 70-80% of GDP is created by private and joint-stock companies. And that the bourgeois pay huge taxes there speaks not of socialism, but only of a socially oriented form of capitalism.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 25 December 2020 16: 14
              -2
              Why, even in the era of the highest prosperity of the USSR (this is the 70s - the first half of the 800s), in terms of labor productivity, living standards and the availability of material goods, was much inferior to the leading capitalist countries?

              For the obvious reason - capitalism began to develop there much earlier and had a solid head start in dividing the planet. The West receives a significant part of its well-being in the form of colonial rent, the USSR clearly has a stump that was absent.

              Moreover, this is a very controversial issue. Of course, the middle class of the West lived better than the Soviet workers, but when compared with the Western workers? To be honest? And we will see that the Soviet worker lived certainly no worse than the Western one, and in many respects - orders of magnitude better. You should always compare comparable values, not Vasya the plumber with Rothschild ..
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 25 December 2020 16: 18
              -2
              If we take today, why is the completely socialist DPRK in all economic indicators so far behind the completely bourgeois South Korea?

              Fear God - the DPRK has been under severe economic sanctions for half a century already ... If you impose such sanctions on any capital country - and in six months only memories will remain from it ... Even from the United States. And the Juche people not only survived - the Evon, the missiles were launched, the bomb was bungled .. Is this not an indicator?
            3. Icarus
              Icarus 28 December 2020 18: 52
              0
              Why, even in the era of the highest prosperity of the USSR (this is the 70s - the first half of the 800s), in terms of labor productivity, living standards and the availability of material goods, was much inferior to the leading capitalist countries?

              Because the USSR got hooked on the oil needle because of the rise in oil prices in 1973 (after the Yom Kippur War) and stopped developing the planned economy. Why was it to be developed when almost everyone could buy for oil. When oil prices collapsed, the planned economy was gone. Although the planned economy of the state as a whole at that time could not be calculated due to insufficient power and speed of computers. At present, if we really master artificial intelligence, it will be possible to return to a planned economy, at least in heavy industry, which will most likely become more efficient than the market (competitive) one, provided that the mechanisms of competition in relation to product quality are preserved, but in this case it will be necessary to revive state acceptance ( OTK), and this is an increase in overhead costs for the final product. Nevertheless, the final product (not raw materials) in a planned economy in the external market will be more competitive. Will the government only want to force the big capitalists (oligarchs) to obey the planned tasks of the state plan? Why is this for the current government (capitalist format)? Motivation should arise - self-preservation. And such motivation is possible only with political competition, that is, the presence of a constant (periodic) threat to the turnover of power.
              1. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
                Andrey Krasnoyarsky 29 December 2020 14: 31
                0
                In general, the planned (more precisely, the administrative-planned) economy did not disappear in the 70s, but continued to flourish and flourish. The result of this super-efficient and supposedly competitive economy was that the USSR smelted pig iron most of all in the world and produced a record number of stools and felt boots, only in terms of labor productivity, nomenclature and product quality it lagged more and more behind the "uncompetitive" leading capital countries. After the production of a record number of rubber galoshes, progressive Soviet citizens were crushed in huge queues for decent imported footwear, or were looking for a good speculator. If the big capitalists (by the way, this is not at all a synonym for oligarchs) do not want to obey the ravings of the next State Planning Commission, they will do the right thing, I would have done the same in their place. For production should be based on the consumer's demand, and not on the good wishes of beneficent benefactors who dream of a beneficent economic barracks.
      2. Mishka78
        Mishka78 25 December 2020 10: 25
        -2
        As political economy taught us, State-monopoly capitalism - an economic system characteristic of fascist Germany, Italy, Romania, Francois Spain and a number of other countries.
        Dirigisme there is one of the clearest signs of the economy of fascism - active intervention in the management of the economy by the state. Our economy is approximately 70-75% state and quasi-state. The share of SMEs in the economy is vanishingly small. Moreover, it is vanishingly not figurative, the SME is actually dying out en masse.
        Our economy is also characterized by social Darwinism... Helping the strong while ignoring the weak. (For example, benefits and infusions of Rosneft, Gazprom, Sberbank, etc. during the period of sanctions and complete ignoring of SME problems when pandemic restrictions are introduced).
        Etc. etc.
        As a result, the country that defeated fascism itself is rapidly slipping into it.
        I would like to note that fascism is of the Italian, not German type, i.e. Nazism.
        1. Icarus
          Icarus 28 December 2020 19: 09
          0
          Quote: Mishka78
          Our economy is approximately 70-75% state and quasi-state
          And how do you think the state interferes in the management of the activities of, for example, Norilsk Nickel or Uralkali? In my opinion, our state, on the contrary, has completely removed itself from "conducting" the economy, with the exception of tax (excise) instruments, which it does not always use correctly.
    4. Crowe
      Crowe 24 December 2020 13: 33
      +22
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I'll go for a drink, all knowledge in philosophy went down the drain ...

      Mind does not understand Russia,
      Until 0,5 is drunk.
      And if you drink 0,5 -
      Everything seems simple!
      An attempt to better understand
      Already smacks of a liter ...)))
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      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 24 December 2020 13: 55
        +18
        Until 0,5 is drunk.


        It is necessary to take care of health too:

    5. sergo1914
      sergo1914 24 December 2020 14: 26
      +10
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I'll go for a drink, all knowledge in philosophy went down the drain ...


      Also something ... hitting Socrates with Hegel ...
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 24 December 2020 14: 32
        +9
        Also something ... hitting Socrates with Hegel ...


        Yes :) and happiness awaits us:

        - It's good to live in the world! - said Balaganov. - Here we go, we are full. Maybe happiness awaits us ...

        - Are you firmly convinced of this? - asked Ostap. - Happiness awaits us on the road? Perhaps still flapping its wings with impatience?
    6. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 14: 51
      +6
      This is the dialectic of modern Russia. :))) Nonsense in general, of course. But in some ways he is right in this case. Paradoxically. But this is a temporary state and not so much depends on Putin as the author says. And in general, despite the rather large weight compared with Western puppets, it is still limited by the will of the ruling class.
    7. A_Lex
      A_Lex 25 December 2020 02: 03
      +2
      how does a power exist, with unlimited power of one person and it is liberal


      It's very simple - when all this unlimited power is used exclusively for the purpose of developing liberalism, bourgeoisie, capitalism, oligarchy. Which is essentially the same thing.

      You don't have to go far for analogues: Salazar, Pinochet, Lee Kuan Yew.
    8. Obliterator
      Obliterator 27 December 2020 16: 48
      +1
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      I got a cognitive dissonance - how does a power exist, with unlimited power of one person, and is it liberal ?!

      I'll go for a drink, all knowledge in philosophy went down the drain ...

      Well, for the author (and for many on the site) liberalism is just a synonym for capitalism, and nothing more.
  9. Mihail55
    Mihail55 24 December 2020 12: 17
    +6
    Thank you, Vladimir, for the article !!! I still remember the prophetic words of our chief engineer of the plant. He told me and my brother in 1985 - It's easy to destroy the economy, but ... Then it seemed, is this possible ??? And after all - they ruined !!!
  10. Alien From
    Alien From 24 December 2020 12: 21
    0
    YAO is our only assistant! Until they pop up.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 24 December 2020 13: 42
      +14
      YAO can help us boost the economy ?? !! And they do not fuss just because the war is going on with us for a long time. And we are at war with ourselves. It's just that they are waiting for the liberals to not surrender the state at all and do not give up themselves. Why would someone fight with us? You remember very well how we were defeated in the 80s.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 24 December 2020 15: 52
        +7
        That's right, the West is just waiting for us to die. True, we are kicking: Crimea was taken, Assad was saved, but this is still temporary and does not affect global events, such as stagnation in the economy, flight to the West of our scientists and specialists (The number of highly qualified specialists who emigrated from Russia increased to 44 thousand in 2016 ), catastrophic population decline and a complete lack of positive prospects.
      2. Alien From
        Alien From 24 December 2020 16: 54
        +2
        So it is, unfortunately ((((
    2. Sotskiy
      Sotskiy 24 December 2020 22: 55
      +3
      Quote: Alien From
      YAO is our only assistant!

      laughing laughing laughing
      The coming to power of the Gorbachev clique, followed by the draining of the country to the Chubaysians, clearly showed what kind of nuclear weapons was an assistant.
      1. Alien From
        Alien From 24 December 2020 23: 04
        +3
        Without nuclear weapons, everything would be much worse.
        1. Sotskiy
          Sotskiy 24 December 2020 23: 12
          +2
          Quote: Alien From
          Without nuclear weapons, everything would be much worse.

          How to say .... The frog does not understand until his death that it is being cooked over low heat. hi
  11. Alexga
    Alexga 24 December 2020 12: 21
    +2
    First of all, one should define the concept of "liberalism". And to define a national idea in a multinational state is a difficult task.
    1. Obliterator
      Obliterator 27 December 2020 16: 59
      -1
      Quote: AlexGa
      First of all, one should define the concept of "liberalism". And to define a national idea in a multinational state is a difficult task.

      Yes, it is not difficult to determine. Liberalism is definitely bad. That's the whole concept for Military Review.
  12. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 24 December 2020 12: 24
    +11
    Interesting article .. Thanks author! makes you think .. but the passage about the GDP, as a knight in shining armor who sent the west, is incomprehensible and contradictory with the rest of the article, that he, in isolation from power, exists and does not control the processes in the country for 20 years already?
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 24 December 2020 12: 25
    +6
    Good analytics. The author is a plus !. The country just flows with the flow without any purpose. Whoever can, they rob, who are lucky for those and go. The idea of ​​a general world order is understandable, and in general terms, Russia is a resource, a China plant, the EU and Japan, a US gendarme and an arbiter. And without a radical breakdown of thinking in the population and the heads of the Kremlin, we will obediently fulfill this role. ((((
  14. New Year day
    New Year day 24 December 2020 12: 27
    +15
    The article is interesting, but ..
    The question of liberalism itself, is it in Russia? Liberalism implies that the interests of the individual are above all. And where are our, common people, interests? The authorities flushed them down the toilet. So it is with the economy - where are the interests of small and medium businesses? - In the toilet. So what kind of liberal economy is this? - This is banditry and the seizure of economic sectors by crooks and bandits. And further. In a normal state, the economy is primary. We have primary personal ambitions, greed.
    What an economy here! laughing
    What is the future? - Without a paralygm shift, it's sad. Power is tailored to preserve this paradigm. Who disagrees, go to the wall.
    1. Vasilenko Vladimir
      Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 12: 40
      +4
      Quote: Silvestr
      The question of liberalism itself, is it in Russia? Liberalism means that the interests of the individual are above all

      the question is not true, but is the very existence of Russia possible under such conditions
      1. tasha
        tasha 24 December 2020 12: 45
        +5
        Man, under what conditions?
        The problem is that there is no single concept of "liberalism" in their heads, just as there is no concept of "democracy". You probably know many who use the words "liberal" instead of swearing, but as soon as it comes to limiting their specific rights and freedoms, they suddenly change their color ...
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 24 December 2020 13: 28
          +6
          Quote: tasha
          it comes to limiting specifically THEIR rights and freedoms suddenly change color ...

          The issue of human rights and obligations in Russia is being discussed on the next thread
        2. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 13: 48
          -3
          Quote: tasha
          then there is no single concept of "liberalism" in their heads, just as there is no concept of "democracy"

          yes, I don't care what is in their heads, you need to build on the definition

          Liberalism (from Latin liberalis - free) is a philosophical and socio-political trend that proclaims the unshakability of human rights and personal freedoms. Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedom of every person as the highest value and establishes them as the basis of social ...

          in the climatic and geographical realities of Russia, when the priority of the personal over the general is set, in the future, either disintegration or subordination of the country to external forces will occur, followed by disintegration
          1. tasha
            tasha 24 December 2020 13: 50
            +4
            "Everyone is equal before the law" - liberalism or not, what do you think?
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 16: 03
              0
              Quote: tasha
              Everyone is equal before the law "- liberalism or not, what do you think?

              but what has the law to do with it ?!
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 24 December 2020 21: 20
            +4
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Liberalism (from Latin liberalis - free) is a philosophical and socio-political trend that proclaims the unshakability of human rights and personal freedoms. Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedom of every person as the highest value and establishes them as the basis of the social ..

            Judging from your definition, there is no liberalism in Russia
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 23: 34
              0
              Quote: Overlock
              "Everyone is equal before the law" - liberalism or not, what do you think?

              once again, what does the law and the topic of the article have to do with it?
            2. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 23: 36
              0
              Quote: Overlock
              Judging from your definition, there is no liberalism in Russia

              either I do not explain well or you do not understand, I am not talking about whether there is or not, I am talking about the fact that liberalism is not acceptable for Russia
              so clearer ?!
    2. Artunis
      Artunis 24 December 2020 13: 26
      +6
      The author of the article is guided precisely by the term "liberalism" in the modern sense of the prevailing and dominant world financial geopolitical elite actually governing the world, and not by the concepts of the 19th century of the times of A. Smith and Marx, etc. There is a lot of useful things in the very idea of ​​liberalism in its classical understanding, but it just so happened in the modern world of us with phraseology. In short, do not find fault with the terms and read Khazin's "Stairway to Heaven", a lot will become clear - but there are many letters!
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 14: 54
      +6
      Quote: Silvestr
      In a normal state, the economy is primary. We have primary personal ambitions, greed.

      How do you imagine a capitalist economy without greed? laughing Our economy is quite primary. Normal capitalist with a minimum investment for maximum profit.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 24 December 2020 16: 04
        +2
        Well, in Norway or some kind of Finland and Switzerland, capitalism is also, but the people live in a completely different way, do not believe me - compare the average age of life with us and theirs. Who is to blame for this difference in living standards? Some say that the people themselves are to blame, they say we work badly. But I will not believe it, because I myself plowed several jobs, while I was healthy and what, I earned a lot? Penny. But the thieves officials fatten in full.
        1. Ronald Reagan
          Ronald Reagan 24 December 2020 18: 32
          -3
          Everyone gets what they deserve. If a person has a ceiling on the position of a security guard in a store (I do not mean you), then there is nothing to blame for the allegedly "fattening" officials. Only highly qualified personnel and businesses receive money.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 21
            +2
            Yes, I see the elite among us. And as soon as we have received such an honor. Descended to the same to us poor. So I decided to illuminate us with the light of my stupidity.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 18
          0
          All this is good. But fat times are coming to an end and hungry times are coming. Everywhere there is an attack on the social system and the rights of workers. So I probably will not envy the Norwegians and the Finns.
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 24 December 2020 16: 58
      +3
      Liberalism implies that the interests of the individual are above all. And where are our, common people, interests?
      I assure you, the interests of the individual are all right. Look at the list of Forbes in Russia and you will see these personalities. These are very simple personalities. About the rest - they (we) are not individuals, a resource.
    5. A_Lex
      A_Lex 25 December 2020 02: 19
      +1
      Liberalism implies that the interests of the individual are above all. And where are our, common people, interests?


      Liberalism does not imply that the satisfaction of the basic interests of EVERY individual is guaranteed. Because this is socialism, in which the existence of oligarchs is impossible.

      Liberalism assumes that everyone HAS THE RIGHT to satisfy the interests of their personality. In a capitalist economy, the goal of which is to maximize profits is best suited to the interests of the person who is most successful in competition. In this sense, the situation in the Russian Federation is no different from the USA, EU or Japan.
  15. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 12: 31
    -1
    LIBERAL Russia has no and cannot have a future
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 24 December 2020 13: 29
      +4
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      LIBERAL Russia

      There is no her! State banditry with us!
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 24 December 2020 13: 45
        +3
        yes, what does it have to do with it, no, I am writing about the fact that under liberalism Russia as a whole, a single and independent state is not able to exist
      2. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 December 2020 13: 46
        +8
        In liberal Russia
        I lost my peace.
        I wanted to live beautifully
        But they asked: "Why?"

        I grit my teeth until it hurts:
        Prospects, breakthroughs ...
        What can you do if
        My answer is swears.

        According to the plans of the State Planning Commission,
        By market terms
        Do not decide than glasses
        Not a full quarter.

        The paths have loosened up
        We went our separate ways.
        Yes, it went "forest" -
        Tired of going.
      3. Note
        Note 24 December 2020 13: 51
        +6
        It's even easier. Feudalism in the most general direction, adjusted for the time period. And the state itself is practically under the yoke, under the rule of the "prince" by label.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 15: 00
          +1
          Don't exaggerate. What you are watching are just remnants of feudalism. Yes, due to objective circumstances, our transition has been delayed. But it goes on and I can already see how people's public consciousness is changing. And further urbanization and an increase in labor productivity in general will almost completely destroy these very remnants.
          1. Fan-fan
            Fan-fan 24 December 2020 16: 07
            +1
            I already see how people's social consciousness is changing.
            Yes, it has changed a lot, especially when 5 years of pensions were taken away.
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 26
              0
              So what? Are you expecting a revolution immediately after this? So I will disappoint you. For a revolution, changes in public consciousness are not enough. And they are not that strong yet. Everything has its time.
      4. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 24 December 2020 17: 02
        +4
        There is no her! State banditry with us!
        You are wrong, colleague. Power serves the interests of the ruling class. And she herself is. And in what form it (the authorities) does it is the tenth thing. This is ordinary capitalism.
  16. Andre___86
    Andre___86 24 December 2020 12: 33
    +13
    An idea attractive to the masses is really missing. I am talking with the Belarusians: they don't need you in Europe, they need a sales market. And they answered: what does Russia need us? No, there, too, Putin's oligarchs need sales markets. And choosing between European gay capitalism))) and Russian oligarchic capitalism, most choose a beautiful wrapper from Europe ...
    1. Fan-fan
      Fan-fan 24 December 2020 16: 14
      +2
      And rightly so, the standard of living in Europe is higher. I myself did not think that in my old age I would advise my children to get out of here, at least to Turkey, even to Poland.
      The daughter says that her friend went to Turkey, found a job, married a Turk and lives richer than ours. She calls my daughter there, but I don't mind, let him go, even though she will not live there like here.
  17. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 24 December 2020 12: 40
    -8
    What are the liberals? We do not have them, we have agents of influence from the United States and its allies. There are traitors and nothing more. If a person is a patriot of his country, and tries for its good, then even being a liberal or some other masochist he will benefit the country.
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 24 December 2020 13: 31
      +21
      Yes, fullness to you ... Here are the fragments of the speeches of Vladimir Putin, where he confesses his devotion to liberal ideas. Some citizens will probably say that here the president is simply encrypted and he could not answer otherwise. I recommend such gentlemen to listen carefully to the president's revelations. He does not hide that he is a convinced liberal.
      As the saying goes, "if something looks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it probably is."

      Quote: Herman 4223
      What are the liberals? We do not have them, we have agents of influence from the United States and its allies.

      Do you still think so?))
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 24 December 2020 13: 40
        -4
        I still thought and still think. Our country does not have any liberals, under the liberals are encrypted outright traitors who have nothing to do with the liberals even close.
  18. tatra
    tatra 24 December 2020 12: 41
    +11
    The whole tragedy of Russia and the Russian people is that those who seized Russia during Perestroika and created the System of degradation, impoverishment, extinction of Russia under Yeltsin, and preserved it under Putin, categorically do not want to change this System, because it is beneficial for their enrichment at the expense of Russia and its people, their parasitism at the expense of other people's labor, their freedom of irresponsibility and impunity. And enough already in the comments to grovel about liberalism. Just as the external and internal enemies of the USSR and the Soviet people declared what the Soviet communists did to communism, so the definition of liberalism is based on what those who call themselves liberals in Russia have done. And in general, liberalism, like communism, has never been anywhere, and never will be. All this is just a "mythical ideology".
  19. DNS-a42
    DNS-a42 24 December 2020 12: 45
    +3
    Article by a true idealist. Everything is upside down.

    values ​​of the liberal idea in general, which gave birth to capitalism
    On the contrary. Liberalism did not give birth to capitalism, but the ideology of liberalism is a product of capitalism.

    According to I.A. Ilyin (one of the founders of the theory of state and law)
    And the famous fascist, who fiercely drowned for whites, Nazis, etc. "Solidarity of the nation, a sense of rank". We remember, we remember.

    man is made man by his soul, not his body.
    A person is made a person by collective work, the ability to conduct purposeful labor activity.

    And law, as a regulator of social relations, designed to assert justice, the main criterion of which is morality
    Social morality is determined by the material living conditions of people, their social order. Justice in a class society is of a class nature: what is fair for an oligarch is not fair for a worker.
    1. Artunis
      Artunis 24 December 2020 13: 34
      +2
      Something you have some kind of porridge in my head my friend! Remember the biblical truth - "in the beginning there was a word ..." and in general, before doing something it is necessary and useful to think about what you want to do, but when on the contrary, it usually does not work out very well, well, like you, for example.
      1. DNS-a42
        DNS-a42 24 December 2020 15: 42
        +1
        Mowgli children have neither human words nor skills. Apparently, the holy spirit forgot to put them in their heads. First, there was objective reality, which the human mind began to express in terms.

        The ability to think is not given to a person from birth, but is acquired in the society of people. It is badly acquired from someone, "well, like you, for example."
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 15: 09
      +5
      Quote: DNS-a42
      And the famous fascist, who fiercely drowned for whites, Nazis, etc. "Solidarity of the nation, a sense of rank". We remember, we remember.

      This is yes. Today the third way is in vogue. All sorts of clowns even try to present Stalin as a kind of Mussolini. laughing
  20. bk316
    bk316 24 December 2020 12: 46
    -8
    It would only be the will of the Russian elite.

    Now let's think about where even the will can come from, but the desire to increase the role of the state, the rejection of the liberal paradigm and the transition to a planned economy.
    To begin with, let's think about who our elite is, that is, those who really influence OR CLAIM for influence.
    1. All "liberal intelligentsia" which has little influence on anything will definitely not strive for this. The whole point of its existence is precisely for Russia to suffer.
    2. The middle class, but it does not exist - there are separate elements, but there is no class, And I think that he will be our hataskay.
    3. Officials well, they certainly influence. But they don’t need it.
    4. Big bourgeoisie (those who are often called oligarchs by the illiterate)
    4.1 Comprador. Well, this is understandably not necessary.
    4.2 National. These are the only ones you can hope for.

    Yes, the big national bourgeoisie makes sense to follow the path of the PRC. There are some advantages from moving from the chair of the chairman of the board of directors of Rosatom to the chair of the minister of medium industry. Only after all they are most of all here haut. After all, they are the "friends of Putin" ....
    That sausage fighters, from dissonance: you can only hope for those whom you most hate.
    Output.
    - I have already said and will repeat: hatred is a destructive feeling.
    - Russia is an unpredictable country.
    - You can hope for the best, but you should expect the worst.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 15: 13
      +8
      Quote: bk316
      There is a middle class and it is not - there are separate elements, but there is no class, And I think that he will be our hataskayman.

      In fact, it is quite enough for myself. And this is very noticeable at least in the trends of rhetoric on the Internet.
      Quote: bk316
      The big bourgeoisie (those who are often called oligarchs by the illiterate)

      Do you think that the big bourgeoisie has no influence on politics? Ahahahaha. Is that such an extreme degree of naivety?
      1. bk316
        bk316 24 December 2020 19: 46
        -1
        In fact, it is quite enough for myself. And this is very noticeable at least in the trends of rhetoric on the Internet.

        The crowd is not class yet.
        Well, give a definition of our middle class, maybe you are right.
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 51
          0
          Something like a certain group of the population that managed to self-actualize under the current capitalist system and managed to convert its success into finance and capital. They are not a large and probably not even the middle bourgeoisie. Small entrepreneurs, engineers, managers of not very high level, IT specialists of all kinds, all kinds of creacloggers and other husks.
          1. bk316
            bk316 24 December 2020 19: 55
            +1
            Something like a certain group of the population that managed to self-actualize under the current capitalist system and managed to convert its success into finance and capital.

            It is clear and you think that this group has already formed as a class? Well, that is, they have developed a community of interests, a common view on fundamental issues, that they are already ready to express their political will in one way or another?
            Attention I definitely belong to this group laughing
            I also have a suspicion that you are confused in concepts. Let me remind the classics that the class should be determined by the attitude towards the means of production. That is, an employee cannot belong to the bourgeoisie ...
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 20: 17
              0
              Well, ok call it the petty bourgeoisie if you really need the classic definition. Of course there is a commonality of interests, at least in the fact that in the mass these people are anti-communists.
              1. bk316
                bk316 24 December 2020 20: 20
                0
                Well, ok call it the petty bourgeoisie if you really need the classic definition.

                I agree well there is still the petty bourgeoisie. But one should not hope for it in terms of strengthening the role of the state and the planned economy either. Do you agree?
                1. IS-80_RVGK2
                  IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 20: 25
                  +1
                  Quote: bk316
                  But one should not hope for it in terms of strengthening the role of the state and the planned economy either. Do you agree?

                  Perhaps I agree. Although there is certainly a very interesting question. Because the logic there is often such that a highly specific state should take care of us, help us and read and lull fairy tales at night. At the same time, so that it abolished all taxes and, in general, hands off the independent business.
                  1. bk316
                    bk316 25 December 2020 13: 54
                    0
                    the logic there is often such that it is very specific

                    Exactly! This most likely says that there is not one class, but 2 or more.
                    Some are "startups" they want to grow quickly and either sell the business or move into the category of large ones.
                    The second "stalls" who want to live their whole life without getting into crises of business growth (native business crises).
                    And then there are IT individuals who have more income than many startups. laughing
                    In general, the topic is interesting, but no one wants to seriously study ...
  21. TAMBU
    TAMBU 24 December 2020 12: 50
    +2
    Confused by the mention of Ilyin, one could find something similar among less smeared specialists ...
    It is quite obvious that such individuals (note, deeply religious) were given to understand, to know something that the overwhelming majority of ordinary people are both incomprehensible and inaccessible.

    This is obvious to the author, it is not at all obvious to me. Some% of narrow-minded citizens did not understand the "breadth of the Russian soul", but I dare to hope that most of the moral and ethical norms of a normal person are clear ... but at the expense of believers, it's in vain ... how many heroic heroes weren't believers? In general, the generalization is strange as for me, not particularly appropriate ...

    Everything else is very soundly written and with everything else I personally agree 100%
  22. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 24 December 2020 12: 55
    +5
    I read, corrected "Rossi" to "Russia". The head tenses and tries to contain the expansion of the brain.
    Almost according to Vysotsky:
    ... If it is true - well, at least a third,
    There remains one thing - just go to die!
    Good that widow Russia was able to survive everything
    She took pity on me - and took to live with her.

    On this topic. Dear Vladimir Karasev! Here are your lines:
    A few words about the future liberal Russia ...
    The state of Russia in liberal paradigm can be described in one word - suffering ...
    And as soon as China becomes the absolute world leader in all matters, liberalism (as a civilizationally unfair idea) will irrevocably become a thing of the past ...
    And in this case liberal Russia may find itself on the sidelines of history ...

    Let me know what you mean by the word: "liberal", "liberalism"?
    How can an eternal idea become a thing of the past if:
    Liberalism proclaims the rights and freedoms of every person as the highest value and establishes them as the basis of social and economic order. Liberalism is a striving for freedom of the human spirit from constraints imposed by religion, tradition, state, etc., and for social reforms aimed at freedom of the individual and society ...

    Some prefer anarchy to liberalism. Some are satisfied with liberalism for a separate ("elite") group of citizens. I believe that the basis for building a state should be based on a law that is binding on everyone. This does not prejudice the rights of citizens, which must be stipulated by the constitution. Only the constitution itself should not be a "drawbar".
    What do I care about what sanctions will be applied to Russian citizens if I do not travel abroad? Why “someone” has arrogated to himself the right to dictate conditions to the whole country, while the country's leadership is looking around, looking not for this “someone”, but simply grabbing at the gills of its own population?
    There is no alternative to the planned economy in the future.

    There is no alternative to the planned economy either in the long term or a priori. The speculative market model does not provide answers to questions about the sources of filling those financial pyramids and pyramids that the country's economy is tailored to. This is what led to an unbridled desire for profit at the expense of the "sluggish" majority, "who did not fit into the market".
    Sometimes I am worried about this thought: "Isn't it time to stop the unrestrained bacchanalia in the field of embezzlement and the development of deposits of budget funds by lifting the moratorium on the death penalty?" Or: "If the electron is as inexhaustible as the atom, then why can the living wage or minimum wage be limited, but the income ceiling, above which questions about the recipient's mental health, cannot be?" Or: "What has been done wrong in Russia, if, in the absence of the death penalty, its population is diminishing, and in China, where it is applied, it is growing?"
    hi
    1. bk316
      bk316 24 December 2020 13: 01
      -5
      How is the PL4427 doing? Will we confess?
    2. bk316
      bk316 24 December 2020 13: 33
      -5
      Wonderful. They asked for facts. I have provided a description of the model. I can find and send instructions.
      And instead of admitting that you were wrong, silence and minuses.
      Well, I can state that Yuri is a true balabol who does not answer for his words.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 24 December 2020 13: 37
        +5
        Quote: bk316
        Well, I can state that Yuri is a true balabol who does not answer for his words.

        Your statement has not grown yet. Read, everything is written there.
        1. bk316
          bk316 24 December 2020 13: 43
          -5
          Read, everything is written there

          Of course it is written. laughing Type: optical.
          Well, that's it, there is no interest to correspond with a person who is not responsible for his own words.
    3. Paul
      Paul 24 December 2020 13: 50
      +8
      The inhabitants have formed a stable stereotype about the concepts of a planned and market economy. In fact, any economy is planned, just in the case of the USSR, the plan provided for taking into account the interests of all strata, while the market takes into account the interest of only those who in one way or another influence the economy itself. Moreover, this influence is equally bad both in the case of an entrepreneurial oligarchy and in the case of a bureaucratic one. Development is taking place only in one place of power (now it is the USA), hence the secret of patriotism of the American elite and the desire to withdraw the funds of our wealthy fellow citizens under the jurisdiction of the United States. Officials and wealthy entrepreneurs do not believe either in Russia or in the people, that is, in you and me. After 1991, the people moved from the master of the country to a means of production for leaders, and this form is definitely not liberal, but simply modernized serfdom or modernized slavery.
  23. Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 24 December 2020 13: 03
    +2
    Russian liberalism has two aspects:
    1. Cover for thieves.
    2. New totalitarianism. Only now it is supposed to destroy "scoops". For a brighter future, of course. laughing
    In any case, it has nothing to do with J.S. Mill.
  24. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 24 December 2020 13: 04
    +10
    The fact that there is something positive behind the president's silence regarding his "strategic course", for the announcement and implementation of which the time has not yet come. After all, in the past he was one of those who should have had

    "Clean hands, cold heads and warm hearts."


    laughing Notably, grandfather "licked" silent Putin "with communist greetings)
    With what fright did pensioner Karasev decide that Comrade Putin is going to make his wet old man's dreams of USSR 2.0 come true? So I see - Putin's call to Rotenberg:
    Sholem, Arkasha! Schaub you knew - from tomorrow pogroms and expropriations are allowed ... Yes ... Yes, Soviet power ... Not "again", but "having no analogues." Like who"??? I, of course! ... No, Arkasha, no Kremlin wall, don't be smart - the far corner of the Jewish cemetery. Yes, and tell Deripaska - I'm very sorry. The mouth is front, you know, and amen.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 24 December 2020 14: 05
      +6
      :) "and then another call, and to others ... and so Tsar Vladimir ran his fingers over the sheet of the sanctions list, gloomily circled the walls of the Sochi bunker and wiped away a stingy KGB tear ..."
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 24 December 2020 14: 16
        +5
        Quote: Intruder
        and wiping away a stingy KGB tear ... "

        ... then I called Peskov:
        Dim, order a dozen wreaths. Yes, a black moire ribbon with gold letters "He was sympathetic" ... What? Are ... polymers? Okay, then let it be paper ... No, for Deripaska - aluminum.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 24 December 2020 14: 53
          +5
          and "bury" that very Tatar oligarch together with his yacht, in any of the seas ...
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 24 December 2020 14: 55
            +4
            laughing
            liked about the yacht)
            recalled how in Romania a gypsy baron was buried in his favorite Mercedes.
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 24 December 2020 15: 22
              +3
              and me about: "order a dozen wreaths ..." and "aluminum ...", it made my evening today ... drinks
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 15: 18
      +5
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      With what fright did pensioner Karasev decide that Comrade Putin is going to make his wet old man's dreams of USSR 2.0 come true? So I see - Putin's call to Rotenberg:

      Is there a transition to the USSR 2.0, is it supposed? Under the banner of Ilyin, this is definitely National Socialism. Grandfather has a clear sense of trends.
  25. Ros 56
    Ros 56 24 December 2020 13: 05
    -4
    Russia will be without liberals, do you think the State Council met yesterday in vain?
    1. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 24 December 2020 13: 12
      +1
      Like, like the Politburo in the USSR met ..
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 15: 19
      +1
      Yeah, but with the Nazis. Gorgeous perspective.
  26. rocket757
    rocket757 24 December 2020 13: 07
    +3
    Become of course .... long, but the conclusion is short and concrete can be made - With these upper people, US, happiness can not be seen !!!
    Clarification, in this SYSTEM, and not with any specific faces ...
    1. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 24 December 2020 13: 16
      -3
      And not vice versa? What power we deserve and that we have.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 December 2020 13: 46
        +2
        A sensible remark, how sad it is to realize this.
    2. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 24 December 2020 16: 26
      +3
      Quote: rocket757
      .... happiness is not to be seen .... Clarification, in this SYSTEM, and not with any specific faces ...
      hi hello, Victor! the sum does not change from the permutation of the terms. And the faces grabbed with their teeth, claws, all four limbs, they themselves will not leave.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 24 December 2020 17: 14
        +2
        Hi Dmitry soldier
        Quote: Reptiloid
        And the faces grabbed with their teeth, claws, all four limbs, they themselves will not leave.

        They grabbed, not grabbed, it doesn't matter. While they are satisfied with the SYSTEM, they work for it, it will support them!
        As soon as they cease to arrange the system, they will fly out like a cork from a bottle, they will not even have time to peck.
        What does this give, mean for us ??? Just the fact that replacing the faces WILL NOT CHANGE ANYTHING in principle!
        To resolve issues, to negotiate with the system or to break it to smithereens in half and build a new system that will satisfy US !!!
        There is no other way.
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 24 December 2020 17: 52
          +3
          Some substitutions, movements, you can see, the result remains the same. What is the point, that the transition from one committee to another does not affect the result in any way. For example, there are different Development Committees, with how many employees, and what do they develop?
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 24 December 2020 18: 55
            +1
            Seething in the current system, often for the system, for the sake of creating the appearance of the vigorous activity of the system itself ... it is not enough for us, which brings good, but enough bad.
            1. Reptiloid
              Reptiloid 24 December 2020 19: 02
              +2
              Quote: rocket757
              Bubbling in the current system, often for the system, in order to create the appearance of the active activity of the system itself ....
              Probably, I don't even think about creating an appearance. The nomenclature is self-replicating, is not responsible for anything, and serves itself.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 24 December 2020 19: 54
                +1
                This has already happened ... it ended badly.
                1. Reptiloid
                  Reptiloid 24 December 2020 20: 07
                  +2
                  Quote: rocket757
                  This has already happened ... it ended badly.
                  it ended with the maize-worker making a report at the congress and they began to remove the name of Stalin and erode the memory of him and his development programs. It was not for nothing that Stalin carried out regular purges.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 24 December 2020 20: 39
                    +1
                    The nomenclature, party, bureaucratic, under Stalin had already grown ... everything was based on increased responsibility. As soon as the responsibility was belittled by the most I can’t, it started to the very end.
                    1. Reptiloid
                      Reptiloid 24 December 2020 22: 30
                      +1
                      Senior officials - apartments, state dachas, cars - were state ones, they were transferred to positions, they were afraid that they would be taken away as a result of the purge, they knew that they could not leave the children, unless the children rise to their level.
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 25 December 2020 09: 17
                        +1
                        It was long ago ... as in fairy tales.
                      2. Reptiloid
                        Reptiloid 25 December 2020 12: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: rocket757
                        It was long ago ... as in fairy tales.

                        Probably, it was for them like a terrible fairy tale, like a horror movie preparing to become a reality. They tried to change this for themselves and their children. They changed, became owners and rich people, robbing the state and people.
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 25 December 2020 13: 05
                        +1
                        Quote: Reptiloid
                        They tried to change this for themselves and their children. They changed, became owners and rich people, robbing the state and people.

                        They have created for themselves full will, irresponsibility ... that's just the country, the people, from this sharply got sick!
  27. Mishanya74_2
    Mishanya74_2 24 December 2020 13: 07
    -1
    There will be no Russia ..
    Volodin told you, there is Putin, there is Russia.
    1. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 24 December 2020 13: 10
      +1
      By the way, I'm interested in the opinion of those who voted and drowned for changes to the Constitution ..
      How do you feel?
    2. Mishanya74_2
      Mishanya74_2 24 December 2020 13: 15
      +2
      It even became interesting to me a minus or Volodin)
    3. Intruder
      Intruder 24 December 2020 14: 07
      +1
      There is Putin, there is Russia. And as it does not become so, that's all ..
      sho again, tick? Suitcase and charter to Jerusalem or Geneva :)))
  28. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 24 December 2020 13: 49
    +5
    After reading one article in the spirit of "There are no alternatives but socialism" - you will read them all)) The author does not highlight two damn important points - and therefore most of his constructions are obvious things mixed with a slightly modernized socialist demagogy.
    1) A well-organized and wealthy state can be reached in several ways, our theoretician, for some elusive reason, in this case rests against mossy Soviet dogma and continues to gloomily mutter about robbery, exploitation and some form of colonialism. Since the 90s, golden rivers have flowed literally under our feet - we could have prevented China from occupying the part of the arms market that it occupies, we could have prevented India and Musk from occupying a part of the space launch market, we could not have buried domestic pharmaceuticals, and then that Sputnik V would have been born much faster and realized in the world much more calmly. And so on and so forth. Step by step, drop by drop, under normal capitalist laws, we could coin-to-coin make our state richer, our role in the world economy and our weight in the world - more significant, our unemployment is less, and the education needed for all this - better ... This would not at all require a world revolution and commissars in leather jackets who would crush the bourgeoisie - it just needs adequate laws, a change in government at all levels and a separation of planning from demagogy. There is a plan - there is a deadline, the plan is fulfilled by the deadline - work further according to new plans. Not done - go to the forest, next. Instead, we still have "Atlantes" and "national treasures", a prohibitive and protective line and an attitude towards small and medium-sized businesses as "some kind of muddy bargaining" - this is the way we will definitely not come anywhere, and many others are completely ... And "New Socialism" is only one of many paths, but by no means the only one.

    2) We have a certain obsessed fetishism on the experience and problems of the USA / China / EU - it seems to us that, like a sharper, we just need to pull out a certain "secret" from the queen of spades, and then life will improve, and our whole structure, which is based on many years of different-sized lies and illusions, a heap of antediluvian laws and views and, most importantly, for 30 years the kleptocracy and oligarchic interests that have permeated the entire structure of government and finances of the state - that it is enough to learn a secret and everything will jump into the distance, it will be even better "than theirs." Or even at all - we will do something of our own, the best, the canon, the USSR 2.0 there or something else, and everything for some inexplicable reason will be in chocolate just because of this. Problems will be solved, people will stop stealing, the media will stop lying, labor productivity will break through the ceiling by itself.
    Let's first get to the level of France / Germany - about the standard of living, the efficiency of bureaucracy and the perfection of taxes / lawmaking. And only then we will compare ourselves beloved with the world's industrial and technological blacksmiths, and even more so to chase after them.

    Here the author is hoping for a certain "idea" - I see a very specific idea in modern Russia, and it does not need to be invented - a century-old layer of races, strength exercises, propaganda and demagoguery hangs over us. During this time, the same, for example, Germany twice overtook us in terms of living standards - and now people, ordinary people, are now looking at it - they hear familiar notes of propaganda, familiar phrases about acceleration, "there is no time to swing", "there are no analogues", they are watching how we again strive to play some kind of antagonistic confrontation with no one knows with whom and improvise on the go - and now the man in the street thinks "well, how can he nafig all this 100500 times" - and pulls the track to Europe or Canada or Israel or even Great Britain. Either he sends his children there, or plans his life in the short term so that he can leave. Away from all this theoretical, highly spiritual bacchanalia, which literally does not lead anywhere, despite the titanic efforts, the streams of high-flown demagoguery and leafy pathos. Of course, you can come up with some kind of "idea" in addition to this, and you can even ditch a lot of money so that agitprop again rips throats, pushing this idea at every corner to every onlooker in the fifth point, only that it will objectively give in a country where it is so easy to "general "and" popular "becomes" private "and" privatized ", and just as easily" private, privatized "becomes" general, popular "- with enviable regularity. The idea is, of course, good, it is highly spiritual, and so on - but our own story kakbe hints that ALL_THIS_FIGNYA and verbiage, is it not better from some kind of ideological heresy of level 80 led by the Dugins or Prokhanovs or some other younger brothers of the old man Confucius go to a calm and systematic goal-building in the direction of improving everything that for a century, damn it, fiercely annoys literally EVERY person in this country, if you throw overboard any ideological nonsense? After all, right, this is the simplest and most effective way if we want to build a House and not a hostel.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 15: 23
      -3
      How many words and zero meaning and zero at least some understanding.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 24 December 2020 16: 51
        +4
        The time of grandiloquent hypothesis based on history and deep philosophy has passed. Now the question of the survival of our country directly rests on the quality of the economy and the standard of living. What slogans will be on top of these successes is tertiary.
        Do you so hate this simple idea, everything must necessarily rest on nuclear-red flags and far-fetched smiles of the builders of communism?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 19: 30
          -3
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Now the question of the survival of our country directly rests on the quality of the economy and the standard of living.

          I'm glad that at least you understand that. All the rest you have the usual petty-bourgeois delirium. I'll tell you right away that the path of the current government and the path that you propose is not very different in what we get in the end. And the result will be a complete tryndets. It's just that your way we get there faster.
  29. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 24 December 2020 13: 54
    +2
    Liberal Russia has no future: it's time to take the pitchfork
  30. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 24 December 2020 14: 44
    +3
    A few words about the future of liberal Russia
    "Liberal Russia" has no future, it only has an opposition. recourse
  31. Radikal
    Radikal 24 December 2020 14: 47
    +5
    After all, in the past he was one of those who should have had
    "Clean hands, cold heads and warm hearts."
    This is the main question - who he really was among the "those" .... winked The answer in my opinion is obvious ... sad
  32. parusnik
    parusnik 24 December 2020 14: 48
    +8
    One gets the impression that the author is one of those who, during the years of perestroika, denounced the bloody totalitarian regime, resented the horrors of the Soviet censorship and stood up for the current values ​​and way of the economy. Painting for himself in rosy colors. shouts the guard ... smile
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 24 December 2020 16: 28
      +6
      Quote: parusnik
      Now confronted with what he fought for, the guard shouts ...

      If so, it is important that I realized .. and many still do not understand hi
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 24 December 2020 15: 43
    +4
    Quote: Herman 4223
    What are the liberals? We do not have them, we have agents of influence from the United States and its allies. There are traitors and nothing more.
    I agree with this! Name the main thing? wassat lol bully
  34. Anachoret
    Anachoret 24 December 2020 21: 28
    0
    Both in Tsarist Russia and in the Soviet Union, strategic planning took place, the formation of a vision of the future in foreign and domestic policy. The current liberal pro-government crowd can only afford tactical reflection, since it is in the wake of the foreign global liberal projection. And such reflection can only lead to the place where they drove us.
    And I would very much like these sharp throws at the external borders of politics to be part of their own cunning plan.
    On the one hand, the sovereignty of the Constitution and a hint of a return to independent politics and the formation of a pole of economic, power and ideological attraction.
    On the other hand, the appointment of Chubais to the outer flank of the negotiations for a reconciliation with the democrats. The rejection of the one who in the last 5 years was called GDP, to retirement with a promotion to the State Council and the Federation Council (for life).
    The second side implies a soft liberal rollback in the "new 90s" with the transfer of the rest of the key resources to world capital. Ours, of course, will hedge themselves with a vulnerable head, and in this vein, the office of the president will most likely be simplified to the level of the master of ceremonies. More powers will pass to the appointed prime minister (on the principle of the German chancellor).
    And some liberal homo-pedophile will be promoted to the post of prime minister. For example, German Gref. His electoral potential is near-zero due to the lack of charisma, misanthropic statements and narrow-mindedness. Therefore, the position for him will be made appointed, and the compromising evidence on him will be a guarantee of his controllability for the Ozersk people. He, in turn, will fulfill all the globalist prescriptions for transforming the society and economy of Russia.
    Here, only this compromising material will be a double-edged sword, and these are not malicious jokes about kissing a boy on the tummy. If at an inopportune moment a video is thrown into the information space in which such a prime minister "really loves children." This can have the power of a powerful bomb under the statehood of the Russian Federation, based on conservative values.
    Where are the security officials looking?
    Is it really incomprehensible that the democrats will put up with Russia only on the principles of the latter's complete kneeling with an endless consent to "pay and repent."
  35. g1v2
    g1v2 24 December 2020 22: 30
    +3
    As always, a rare nonsense, which, however, will find its audience in the immature neophytes. recourse
    Everything is much simpler than ideologues and other talkers imagine. Our world is capitalist. And capitalism is primarily about competition. Countries, corporations, people, media, etc. are competing. And in this cap-competition we are trying to gnaw out for ourselves with teeth and claws. The highest degree of development of the capital state is imperialism. Here we go to him. In this case, the internal structure can vary. Now the course has been taken towards building state capitalism based on state corporations, as liberal capitalism showed its weakness in the 90s. Simply because only the state has the resources, finances and desire to implement large projects and development. Plus - big business, which is the backbone of any large capital state. These are golden hens that feed the country and all its inhabitants - from the janitor and the fiery Marxist to the billionaire. Therefore, their interests are priority for any government. request
    All . This short paragraph contains the whole essence of the modern path of development of our country. No need to scribble articles on a thousand pages, smearing snot on a plate and build conspiracy theories. Everything is extremely simple and logical. hi
    1. Iskazi
      Iskazi 24 December 2020 23: 06
      0
      Competition exists only in theory, like ideal gas ..., there was state capitalism in Russia, it was called socialism, so nothing is being built in the country, everything has already been built, the problem is that the state is engaged in business ... but not state affairs , sadness
      1. g1v2
        g1v2 24 December 2020 23: 40
        0
        Competition is all around. You compete at work, commentators are competing here, companies are competing with each other to eat a competitor, countries are fighting among themselves to chop off a piece of something tasty from other countries and not allow them to be chopped off. Competition is from evolution. Different animals also compete with each other to increase their survival and dominance. Theory has nothing to do with it - this is the basis. When Putin says that the United States is not our enemy, he is not dissembling. It's getting worse - we are competitors. War ends sometime, but competition does not. request
        By 95, 54 percent of the industry of the RSFSR had died, by 2000 - already three quarters. I have visited many enterprises and have not seen any equipment left over from Soviet times for a long time. Even cars are no longer at that time at the enterprises. As VVP said, 75 percent of all industrial products in the Russian Federation are produced on equipment of the post-Soviet period. Moreover, then. that the whole industry is based on old people is even more nonsense. On the contrary, modern companies try to take only young people and train them. They do not need old Soviet personnel at all. The point that nothing is being built is bullshit. They just don't talk about it for some reason, so the average person doesn't even notice. Only the company where I work for the last 18 years in St. Petersburg and Leningrad region has built 3 factories. The last one was last year. Industry growth across the country averages 3 percent per year. In this case, of course, one must understand. that although the volume of GDP of the RSFSR the country has already exceeded seriously. but we will reach industrial volumes only in about 22. And if we grow as we do now. request
        But in general, arguing under such an article is a stupid thing. Orthodoxy communists and those who are considered to run up and throw poop. But someone may and will be interested. hi
    2. tasha
      tasha 25 December 2020 04: 38
      -1
      Now the course has been taken to build state capitalism based on state corporations

      A very simple and logical comment. Thank you.
      mk liberal capitalism showed its weakness in the 90s
      I don't think so. As soon as liberal capitalism grew above a certain level and there was a risk (just fear) that it could somehow influence politics, they immediately made a planned pruning ... So we don't have our own Ilon Masks ...
  36. Iskazi
    Iskazi 24 December 2020 22: 59
    0
    the author's gloomy forecast - most likely true, his point of view is justified, although the author's approaches are somewhat controversial, but the conclusions are correct ... it may be even worse, but the Kremlin in its current form is not able to change anything for the better, at most he is capable of leading the process of total stagnation and degradation, but the current leadership is not given the ability to stop or get out of this tunnel. The Kremlin will ruin everything. sad.
  37. sniperino
    sniperino 24 December 2020 23: 23
    0
    As a result, we have the following
    Eh, I should tell Gogol
    About our wretched life, -
    By golly, this Gogol would not believe us.
    1. g1v2
      g1v2 24 December 2020 23: 52
      +3
      Gogol would have perceived your stories about modern life as stories about paradise. And I would probably ask "who should be killed for my descendants to live like this?" belay
      The layman does not understand a simple thing. That our life, which we constantly complain about and whine for our ancestors, is exactly the "bright future" that they dreamed of. There is a shaft of food, clothing, housing; no one dies of hunger. And not a corner for five in an apartment building or a village hut, but an apartment with all the amenities. And tell that you have your own car - and you will become an oligarch for your ancestor. Even for many guys who come from the former republics, once a single country, all these complaints sound like "got drunk". Tell a guy who abandoned his home, family, left for a foreign country, lives in a hostel or a trailer, who did not see his relatives for months to feed them. To those who work in the dirtiest jobs, to which you will not condescend for less money, how bad your life is. Of course he will listen to you, but to himself he will twirl his finger at his temple. But we were equal and lived in the same country. request
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 25 December 2020 00: 00
        0
        Quote: g1v2
        Gogol would have perceived your stories about modern life as stories about paradise ... Of course he will listen to you, but inwardly he will twirl his finger at his temple.
        Not my stories, but Samsonov's conclusions.
        Quote: g1v2
        Of course he will listen to you, but to himself he will twirl his finger at his temple.
        Forgot about copyright: V. Vysotsky "Song of the madhouse". Tired - take a break.
  38. set of sets
    set of sets 25 December 2020 13: 51
    0
    It is interesting that the liberal market economy imposed on us since the 90s (and picked up by us as the ultimate truth) with the postulate that the market does not require regulation by the state, it regulates itself, is subject to serious criticism in the West from the liberals.

    “Liberal fundamentalism is rejected even by the well-known financier, liberal and anti-communist George Soros. In his book "The Crisis of World Capitalism", on the basis of an analysis of shocks in the world financial system, he expresses the opinion that non-intervention of states in the regulation of economic processes not only does not create the best conditions for economic development, but also leads to catastrophic consequences.
  39. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 25 December 2020 16: 04
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    Unfortunately, the author of the article has no idea what liberal economics is. Otherwise, I would have understood that in modern Russia there is no liberal economy and liberalism as a state ideology at all.
  40. vavilon
    vavilon 25 December 2020 16: 12
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    Great article thanks to the author
  41. CHILD
    CHILD 25 December 2020 21: 01
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    .... there are more questions than answers .... I don’t think that our president has all the power .... moreover .... there is clearly more than one power group at the top ... and most likely not even two .. .besides, their goals are not really obvious .... here you can add the lack of social lifts and justice .... systemic corruption and lack of professionalism of managers at all practically levels ... no new centers of power will appear all these people will give ... still do not forget about our territories and multinational composition ... in general, the author is an optimist ...
  42. looker-on
    looker-on 14 January 2021 14: 42
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    Ie the State Department prevents me from making money?) Author You forgive, but I want to live in the superpower Russia, which is respected by the whole world. Or even not in a superpower but just a country. Canada is also huge, but there is not even much news about it. For there people just live. And they live well. And Canada is a colony in fact. In Russia, they survive for a long time. Stop scolding the whole world and looking for external and internal enemies. Let them just let me work and earn. The rules of capitalism are quite satisfactory for me and all my environment. They are not satisfied with the attempts of the authorities to shut up all objectionable mouths and delusional laws that interfere with making money!