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Minerals and the economy of the Russian Federation. Who works for whom?

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In my previous materials, it was shown that almost 30% of the revenues of the federal budget of the Russian Federation are formed by the mineral extraction tax (MET), despite the fact that the amount of this tax directly depends on world oil prices in dollars and on the exchange rate of the dollar against the ruble.


Obviously, with such a "source" to talk about some kind of de-dollarization is a complete absurdity. You can pay in euros, even in yuan, or even in tugriks - what's the point if budget revenues are still calculated in dollars?

But why bother making the budget dependent on such parameters?


In essence, the answer is very simple and is directly related to "denationalization", that is, with the transfer of subsoil companies into private hands. The thing is that, for obvious reasons, their revenues and profits are highly dependent on world prices for gas and oil, as well as on the current dollar / ruble exchange rate.

After all, what happens? World prices have fallen - export earnings have fallen, and they occupy a very, very significant share in the revenues of oil producing companies.

For example, in 2019, the Russian Federation produced 560,2 million tons of oil. At the same time, 248,51 million tons were shipped to non-CIS countries, that is, more than 44,3% of the total production. And it is clear that if the oil price suddenly drops (say, from $ 60 to $ 45 per barrel), this will mean an overall reduction in the revenue of oil producing companies by 11%. And - out of the blue, since the cost of extracting this very oil will not decrease in any way.

However, if at the same time as oil quotes the dollar suddenly climbs up, the situation for oil producers will, of course, immediately improve. Of course, their dollar earnings will still decrease by the same amount, but now it will be possible to buy more rubles with these dollars than before. And our oil workers, whatever one may say, carry out their activities in Russia and for the most part bear their expenses in rubles, paying for them, of course, in rubles.

And if in numbers?


Suppose there is a certain company “X” on the market that produces 1000 tons of oil. Since, on average, companies supply 44,3% for export, let's imagine that "X" sold 443 tons of oil, say, to Germany, and the remaining 557 tons to enterprises in the Russian Federation.
And now let's calculate how much the revenue will change after the payment of the mineral extraction tax of this company, if suddenly a barrel of oil falls in price from 60 to 45 dollars (that is, by 25%), and the dollar, on the contrary, rises from 60 to 66 rubles / dollar. (i.e. 10%).

So, the proceeds from the sale of 557 tons of oil to Russian enterprises will remain the same, but the proceeds for 443 tons sent for export will decrease in dollars from 193,5 to 145,1 thousand dollars (1 ton of oil = 7,28 barrels). If the dollar exchange rate had remained unchanged, then the revenue would have decreased by 2,9 million rubles, but taking into account the 2,03% growth we agreed upon, the decrease in the ruble proceeds would be only XNUMX million rubles. This, in fact, will be our loss from the fall in world oil prices.

Now let's calculate the size of the severance tax. I have already cited the formula before, but so that the respected reader does not need to look at the previous article (which he, perhaps, he missed altogether), I will repeat:

MET per tonne of oil produced = (Price per barrel of Urals in USD - 15) * USD exchange rate / 261 * Standard MET rate - Production peculiarity factor

Taking into account that the standard rate is 919 rubles, and the coefficient of production peculiarity is negative on average, and adds (and does not subtract) to the tax about 400 rubles, we get that:

With an oil price of $ 60 / barrel and a dollar exchange rate of 60 rubles / $ MET is equal to 9 rubles. per ton of oil.

With an oil price of $ 45 / barrel and a dollar exchange rate of 66 rubles / $ MET is equal to 7 rubles. per ton of oil.

Well, and (since MET is taken from the total amount of oil produced, in our example it is 1000 tons), it turns out that the amount of tax will decrease by 2,5 million rubles. In total, Company X will remain in positive territory by about 470 thousand rubles!

In other words, it turns out that with a fall in world oil prices by 25%, but with an increase in the dollar rate by 10%, the ruble proceeds (remaining at the disposal of the subsoil user after the payment of the mineral extraction tax) will not only not decrease, but will grow.

Thus, one very simple fact can be stated - the existing taxation system, of course, redistributes a significant part of the income of subsoil users in favor of the state, but at the same time it is maximally loyal to oil producing companies. The MET is calculated in such a way that even a relatively small rise in the dollar exchange rate covers the losses of such companies in the event of a decline in oil prices - in ruble earnings, of course.

And this is done, in essence, at the expense of the state - instead of 9,9 million rubles from company "X" from our example, it will receive only 7,4 million. It is the state that does not receive the same 2,5 million rubles from MET that cover the losses of the oil company "X". And this is even under the condition of the growth of the dollar rate - after all, if it were not for it, the losses from the decrease in the mineral extraction tax would be even greater and would amount to about 3,2 million rubles.

True, there is another nuance here: nevertheless, the severance tax is not the only special tax imposed on our oil workers. There is also a customs duty, the amount of which also depends on the world oil price. It is calculated as follows: if a ton of oil costs more than $ 182,5 (which corresponds to a price of about $ 25 per barrel), then $ 29,2 is paid for a ton of oil sold for export and plus 30% of the difference between the current world price and the aforementioned $ 182,5.It turns out that at a price of $ 60 per barrel, the customs duty should be approximately $ 104,5 per ton, and at $ 45 per barrel - almost $ 72.

And here the oil producing company loses much more, because in this case, the revenue from one ton of exported oil falls by $ 109, and the duty - even less than 33. Although the share of customs duties in revenue becomes lower with such a fall in prices, yet - not enough to compensate for the losses of the oil company.

It would seem that in the current period of falling oil prices - it's high time to reduce the severance tax a little, but on the other hand, to increase customs duties? Indeed, in this way the state will be able to fairly compensate for the loss of its budget.

After all, what is actually happening? When export prices for oil fall, the MET is automatically reduced. But it is decreasing not only for export supplies, but for all produced oil. That is why it turns out that the oil industry from the fall in world prices (subject to the growth of the dollar exchange rate) may even remain in profit. Simply because the savings from MET in rubles may turn out to be greater than the loss in export earnings (as shown in the example above). But with the customs duty, this number will not work. After all, it is levied on exports and only on exports.

But where there ... You will laugh, but our leadership did exactly the opposite.

The so-called "tax maneuver" was undertaken, as a result of which the customs duties should have been reduced, and the MET - increased! This is presented with the explanation that, they say, we need to get rid of our dependence on oil exports. But in fact, such measures lead to only one thing: in conditions of relatively low oil prices, the state will lose from this maneuver, and oil producers will gain.

Of course, not everything is so simple. And with the decline in world oil prices, our oil industry is not rolling like cheese in butter. Simply because, although the depreciation of the dollar allows it to maximize its ruble earnings, all this is not for long.

The growth of the dollar rate provokes inflation, the purchasing power of the ruble is gradually being lost, so that sooner or later our subsoil users will have to tighten their belts. But they receive increased revenues in rubles immediately, and the weakening of the ruble occurs later, so they have time to prepare for temporary difficulties. And the oil industry is getting ready: it is starting to cut investment programs, seismic exploration costs, etc. etc.

In other words, the fall in world oil prices, of course, is hitting our oil producers as well. But - in the last place. And in our entire economy, it is the oil companies that are protected from the impact of the crisis to the maximum extent.

At the same time, the federal budget, of course, loses money, receiving less taxes from oil workers. But the strengthening of the dollar affects him in the most beneficial way, partially offsetting the decrease in income from the mineral extraction tax and customs duties. And the same logic works here:

Having “bumped” the ruble against the dollar, the budget gets an increase from ruble receipts immediately, and problems associated with the depreciation of the ruble - later.

And most importantly, no one can demand from the budget to solve these problems in time.
How does it come out? Oil prices have dropped. Payments to the budget, too. They dropped the ruble, and the budget began to receive more money. Peremoga, of course. But then the ruble depreciates due to inflation.

But what does the budget mean? If the purchasing power of the ruble has fallen, but the state continues to pay the same pensions in the same amount as before, then pensioners, not the budget, suffer from this. Then, of course, their pensions will be raised. But, firstly, it will be later. And the budget will save a lot on this. And secondly, they will raise it by the value of official inflation, that is, far from being on a par with the real rise in prices ... And the budget will again save on this.

That is, you need to understand that if it has arrived somewhere, it means that it has disappeared somewhere. The existing tax system really allows solving the problems of the budget and oil producers by playing on the dollar exchange rate, but at the expense of you and me and at the expense of all other sectors of the Russian economy. Simply because all other enterprises do not receive any preferences from the fall of the ruble, but are forced to disentangle the consequences, incurring losses on it.

After all, what happens when the rate falls at an average industrial enterprise? All imported components are becoming more expensive, as is the maintenance of foreign machine tools. Revenues are falling, as the largest investors (oil, gas, etc.) wind up their investment programs, and after them all others. Interests for servicing bank loans are growing, because inflation is growing. But it is difficult to raise prices for your products, because in this case the competitor will sell cheaper, and you will lose the already narrowed sales market.

Well, here, of course, the would-be HSE analysts publicly declare that the fall of the ruble will reduce export prices. And thanks to this, our enterprises can enter international markets with a favorable price offer, increasing revenues due to the growth of export supplies. In fact, this is the most complete fiction.

Firstly, because foreign guys are great at defending their markets, and even with a "good price offer" they are not included so easily. Secondly, and this is the most important thing, for such an “invasion”, domestic enterprises need additional resources - but where can they get them when a bank demands to repay existing loans on time, but refuses to give new ones, “because there is a crisis!”? Each fall in the ruble exchange rate is accompanied by a liquidity crisis for enterprises in the real sector of the economy; they simply do not have the resources to enter world markets.

As a result, you have to grit your teeth, bear the increased costs with a lower level of revenue, spending available reserves, until, finally, prices on the market go up. Those who lacked reserves - well, sorry, you did not fit into the market.

And how to make it enough? It's clear. The easiest and fastest way to reduce employee labor costs. And many workers put up with it, so as not to lose their jobs. And what does this lead to?

To reduce the purchasing power of the population, of course. And if the population does not have money, then no small "family" business, which our would-be economists pray for, will not flourish. The less money people have, the less they can pay and the worse it will be for small businesses.

A little about small business


Our analysts from the Higher School of Economics and others. cannot understand one simple thing in any way. Small business in the West has largely developed precisely on the wave of the development and formation of industry and agriculture. That is, when the workers and peasants began to receive a little more than they need to meet their vital needs. It was then that they were able to spend this money on some excesses, and it was here that small business turned out to be very useful.

In other words, the main driver of small business development was the growth in the well-being of those who work in the field and at the plant. And we have everything topsy-turvy. The crisis, the purchasing power of the population is falling, and the state is investing in entrepreneurship training and thinks that this will lead to economic growth ...

If, say, before the population of city N could afford to spend 50 million rubles on various services. a month, and now only 25 - train even 100 million private entrepreneurs, this will not raise the economy. Because, no matter how many private entrepreneurs there are in the city of N, they still won't earn more than 25 million rubles.

conclusions


They are very simple.

First. The current system of taxation of oil and gas production primarily ensures the interests of subsoil users and only secondarily - the interests of the budget.

Second. The interests indicated in conclusion 1 are provided by playing with the dollar exchange rate.

The third. Designated in pin 2 games with the dollar exchange rate ensure the interests of subsoil users and the budget at the expense of the rest of the economy and the population of our country.

Fourth. And all of the above leads to a completely paradoxical situation. It is not the wealth of our subsoil that works for the good of our country.

It our country works for the benefit of those who manage the wealth of our subsoil.
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  1. nnm
    nnm 23 December 2020 12: 06
    -6
    In my previous materials it was shown that almost 30% of the revenues of the federal budget of the Russian Federation are formed by the mineral extraction tax (MET)

    Budget revenues, total: 128 460 billion;
    Natural resource tax: US $ 15 billion
    The question is, where does the figure of 30% come from?
    Perhaps, if you collect VAT, NP, personal income tax and other taxes on oil and gas companies, you will get a total of 30%, but it is absolutely incorrect to write that the tax is 30% of the consolidated budget revenues.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      23 December 2020 12: 11
      +22
      You write
      Quote: nnm
      but write that the tax is 30% of income consolidated budget

      I write
      Quote: nnm
      In my previous materials, it was shown that almost 30% of the income federal budget RF

      More questions?
      1. nnm
        nnm 23 December 2020 12: 19
        +1
        Yes, I apologize for the inattention. But nevertheless, only VAT in the federal budget is 44 193 billion. Against 15 606 tax. You have not summed up the NDPI with excise taxes on fuels and lubricants? Because, as it seems, up to 30% will not pull. But it is necessary to look at the numbers more precisely, perhaps you are right.
        Looked, yes, the forecast is 7.4 trillion with a total of 20.4
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          23 December 2020 12: 28
          +15
          Quote: nnm
          Yes, I apologize for the inattention. But nevertheless, only VAT in the federal budget is 44 193 billion. Against 15 606 tax.

          I took 2019 - the revenues of the federal budget amounted to 20 billion rubles, the mineral extraction tax - 187,2 billion rubles were paid. The total revenue part of the CONSOLIDATED budget is 5 971,7 billion. Figures from the Ministry of Finance. Where does the figure 39 497 billion of VAT alone come from - I absolutely do not understand
          1. nnm
            nnm 23 December 2020 13: 08
            +6
            Yeah .... looked at the Ministry of Finance. At first I took some idiotic data from the Internet. My mistake. Which means, you still need not be lazy getting to the primary data sources.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              23 December 2020 14: 44
              +9
              Quote: nnm
              Which means, you still need not be lazy getting to the primary data sources.

              My respect to you! hi It is very pleasant to deal with a person who can admit his mistakes. Happy New Year!
              1. nnm
                nnm 23 December 2020 14: 45
                +5
                Mutually, colleague! Holiday greetings!
    2. Civil
      Civil 23 December 2020 12: 12
      +19
      Minerals and the economy of the Russian Federation. Who works for whom?
      There is a list of FORBS magazine
      https://www.forbes.ru/rating/397799-200-bogateyshih-biznesmenov-rossii-2020-reyting-forbes
      All these wonderful people are listed here.
    3. Bar1
      Bar1 23 December 2020 13: 08
      +3
      we don't need dollars or any other currency at all. Let's just sell oil, and even be constantly dependent on the dollar exchange rate. We have EVERYTHING OF YOURS. And we don't have to play these stupid games called world trade ...
      Korome of bananas in Russia everything grows and everything is produced to us DO NOT NEED the hostile world around us.
      It is necessary to tie up with this trade and move on to real problems and with these useless articles.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 December 2020 13: 25
        +8
        Korome of bananas in Russia is growing ...
        And bananas in Russia also grow, probably. They are definitely growing in Belarus, they will share their experience.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 23 December 2020 14: 49
          +4
          Russian bananas are an objective reality. Kehman's JFC company owned large plantations in Ecuador and Costa Rica. They themselves produced and sold the Russian Federation.
          Many Russians in Ecuador grow bananas. The percentage of "Russian" bananas on the Russian market is very high.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 23 December 2020 15: 36
            +1
            With flowers, the same situation.
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 23 December 2020 15: 46
              +2
              Not really. Imported flowers are bought mainly at an auction in Holland, and there is the main price.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 23 December 2020 15: 58
                0
                The Russian flower business is trying to get away from the "Dutch scheme" as much as possible. For, "they fight money, but they spare cinnamon." The only, and key, weak link, bypassing the Dutch, is logistics.
                1. ee2100
                  ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 07
                  +3
                  It's not that simple. At one time I was engaged in the logistics of flowers from Holland to St. Petersburg. So I know a little about this business.
                  The Dutch have built it up for themselves and Europe can't get away from it.
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 23 December 2020 16: 11
                    0
                    Became interesting. Who did you work with in St. Petersburg? Without names, of course ...
                    1. ee2100
                      ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 25
                      +1
                      About flowers or fruits, vegetables?
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 23 December 2020 16: 28
                        0
                        Well, we were talking about flowers ...
                      2. ee2100
                        ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 31
                        +1
                        These were 2002-03. The company, if I am not mistaken, was called Tsvetochny Mir and was located in the Pukovo region.
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 23 December 2020 17: 02
                        0
                        OK. I understood who I mean.
                        The bottom line is that I have worked with florists for eight years, in my incarnation, of course.
                      4. ee2100
                        ee2100 23 December 2020 17: 45
                        +2
                        About bananas. In one of the large fruit firms, he worked as a manager, a native of Ecuador (married to a Russian) studied in the Russian Federation. So, as he said, he has a dream of a banana plantation. From $ 10000 to $ 20000 price issue.
                        And life is good! By the way, Ecuador has a good climate
  2. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 23 December 2020 15: 34
    +1
    The economy of Ecuador never expected such a dastardly blow from the Belarusian agricultural industry!
  3. polar fox
    polar fox 25 December 2020 06: 58
    0
    Quote: Undecim
    And bananas also grow in Russia, probably.

    in 2006 in a greenhouse in Samara he was ashamed to take seeds, there really were bananas)))
  • apro
    apro 23 December 2020 12: 06
    +9
    It is our country that works for the benefit of those who manage the wealth of our subsoil.

    And what ... someone did not believe?
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 23 December 2020 12: 25
      +8
      Well you give laughing .
      76,69% of those who voted do not believe this. wassat
      Somehow
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        23 December 2020 12: 29
        +15
        Quote: YOUR
        76,69% of those who voted do not believe this.

        I would say that about 30-40 percent of those who actually voted do not believe this :))))))))) But this is my personal opinion, not claiming to be the ultimate truth
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 23 December 2020 13: 41
          +6
          It is difficult for me to argue with people whose knowledge:
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          But this is my personal opinion, which does not claim to be the ultimate truth.

          Why appeal with unverified data?
          You give the figures and the size of the share of the sale of hydrocarbons in the budget of the Russian Federation. But, even theoretically, we can not imagine how much money from the sale of oil and gas goes to those "almost fifty percent" of shareholders. But since you say that oil is sold for dollars, you can still calculate the total profit. The cost of production in the Russian Federation (average) is 6-8 dollars. This was announced and is almost a reliable fact. (Remember the feuds between the Russian Federation and the Arabs over production quotas). The average oil price in 2019 was:
          The average price of Urals oil at the end of 2019 was $ 63,59 per barrel, according to the materials of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.

          By the way:
          In the federal budget for 2019, the oil price was set at $ 41,6 per barrel.

          That is, there was no reason to whine about the lack of money.
          We return to profit accounting.
          In 2019, the Russian Federation produced 560 tons or 200 barrels. Excluding production costs (let it be $ 000), the profit was: 3 523 492 043 dollars. This is the figure to consider. This is what you need to "dance" from in subsequent calculations.

          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          I would say that about 30-40 percent of those who actually voted do not believe this :)))))))))

          In our country, and this is no secret, half of the population has no idea at all either about the budget, or about its dependence on the price of oil, or about the sources of its filling. And, excuse me, even the deputies will not explain the motivation of certain budget expenditures article by article. In general, the conclusion is one:
          Our country works for the benefit of those who manage the wealth of our subsoil.
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            23 December 2020 14: 43
            +5
            Yuri Vasilievich, no offense, but you have errors in almost every number
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 23 December 2020 18: 05
              0
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              Yuri Vasilievich, no offense, but you have errors in almost every number

              I studied at the secondary school №5 in the city of Kemerovo and a mathematics teacher, Valentina Andreevna Mityashina, taught me how to add and multiply large numbers. Data on prices, volume and cost are taken from reliable sources from:
              Oil production in Russia last year reached 560,2 million tons, exceeding the indicators of the two previous years, when production was at its maximum since the beginning of post-Soviet times.

              And so on for each digit ...
              https://rg.ru/2020/01/03/v-2019-godu-rossiia-obnovila-postsovetskij-rekord-dobychi-nefti.html
              Don't try to hang dogs on me - it's ugly ... No.
              1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                24 December 2020 07: 21
                +3
                Quote: ROSS 42
                The cost of production in the Russian Federation (average) is 6-8 dollars. This was announced and is almost a reliable fact.

                Uh-huh. "In Russia, the cost of oil production averages from $ 3 to $ 8 per barrel," said Deputy Energy Minister Anton Inyutsyn. Before him, we will remind, Energy Minister Alexander Novak spoke about 10-15 dollars, and a year earlier Deputy Minister Kirill Molodtsov about 2 dollars.
                Credibility, so credibility.
                But according to Rosstat data for 2019, the average cost of a ton of oil produced in Russia is $ 230,6, which is $ 31,45 per barrel.
                So, your first mistake is inaccurate data on the production cost
                Quote: ROSS 42
                The average price of Urals oil at the end of 2019 was $ 63,59 per barrel, according to the materials of the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation.

                Here are just the average price of FOREIGN oil :))))
                That is, all our oil is divided into 2 parts - which we exported and which we consumed ourselves. And if we can still say about the exported one that it is more or less similar to the average Urals brand (although this is not entirely true, but it takes too long to explain why), our domestic oil prices have nothing to do with Urals quotes
                You just took the average quote and multiplied it by the total oil volume
                This was your second mistake
                Quote: ROSS 42
                In 2019, the Russian Federation produced 560 tons or 200 barrels. Excluding production costs (let it be $ 000), the profit was: 3 523 492 043 dollars.

                Deliberately incorrect statement.
  • Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 23 December 2020 12: 08
    +3
    conclusions to the point! hi As a former geologist, I declare that in the constitutions of the USSR and the Russian Federation, mineral resources belong to the PEOPLE!
    1. apro
      apro 23 December 2020 12: 15
      +4
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      conclusions to the point! hi As a former geologist, I declare that in the constitutions of the USSR and the Russian Federation, mineral resources belong to the PEOPLE!

      And it helps a lot?
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 23 December 2020 12: 20
        +4
        Quote: apro
        And it helps a lot?

        I'm talking about an article that everything is in a herringbone, but whether it helps or not, it's the business of the people who endure
        1. apro
          apro 23 December 2020 12: 21
          -3
          Quote: Tiksi-3
          the cause of the people who endure

          Or maybe he likes it?
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 23 December 2020 12: 29
      +6
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      conclusions to the point! hi As a former geologist, I declare that in the constitutions of the USSR and the Russian Federation, mineral resources belong to the PEOPLE!

      Funny ...


      Having “bumped” the ruble against the dollar, the budget gets an increase from ruble receipts immediately, and problems associated with the depreciation of the ruble - later.

      This is how all problems are solved. Half measures and deferrals. And what, "at the trough" does not sit forever. "I ate it myself, give it to someone else" ... But not any responsibility .. In China, they shoot for corruption, and they do not appease, they try to steal ...
      When banks were allowed to "draw" non-existent (unsecured) money, then they began to "inflate this capitalist soap bubble" ... The point was no longer in the economy and the interests of states, but in the interests of individual groups and individuals.
      And everything else is a consequence ...
      1. Tiksi-3
        Tiksi-3 23 December 2020 12: 40
        -5
        Quote: Doccor18
        conclusions to the point! As a former geologist, I declare that in the constitutions of the USSR and the Russian Federation, mineral resources belong to the PEOPLE!

        Funny ...

        have you read the constitution? you know your rights, maybe it won't be funny
        1. Revival
          Revival 23 December 2020 13: 30
          +1
          And where you can read the current document, I did not find
    3. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 23 December 2020 12: 36
      +6
      In the Constitution of the Russian Federation, mineral resources are in any form of ownership.
      1. Revival
        Revival 23 December 2020 13: 29
        -1
        Which document do you mean?
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 23 December 2020 13: 48
          +2
          The Constitution of the Russian Federation.
          1. Revival
            Revival 23 December 2020 14: 02
            0
            Sorry, I didn't specify, from the current
    4. Nazar
      Nazar 23 December 2020 14: 57
      +8
      Tiksi-3 and we even know who this "people" is fellow
    5. Icarus
      Icarus 26 December 2020 17: 42
      0
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      conclusions to the point! hi As a former geologist, I declare that in the constitutions of the USSR and the Russian Federation, mineral resources belong to the PEOPLE!

      Constitution of the Russian Federation:
      Article 9
      2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.
  • nnm
    nnm 23 December 2020 12: 11
    +2
    And it is clear that if the oil price suddenly drops (say, from $ 60 to $ 45 per barrel), this will mean an overall reduction in the revenue of oil companies by 11%

    Only if we talk about CURRENCY earnings. Due, in many respects, to artificial inflation of the ruble, the ruble proceeds, in principle, may even grow.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      23 December 2020 12: 14
      +10
      Quote: nnm
      Only if we talk about CURRENCY earnings. Due, in many respects, to artificial inflation of the ruble, the ruble proceeds, in principle, may even grow.

      What is also said there
  • knn54
    knn54 23 December 2020 12: 11
    +16
    If you look at the composition of the board of directors of Rossneft and Gazprom, it becomes clear that they are state-owned companies only on paper. And the lobby in the Duma and the Government.
    What interests of the country can we talk about?
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 16: 49
      +3
      Quote: knn54
      If you look at the composition of the board of directors of Rossneft and Gazprom, it becomes clear that they are state-owned companies only on paper.

      Rosneft is no longer “on paper”. While all the irons were broadcasting about the first wave of the coronavirus, some were quietly doing their thing.

      And with Rosneftegaz itself, which holds (as if for the state) stakes in our corporations, they say, not everything is so simple.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2020 12: 13
    +3
    what's the point if budget revenues are still calculated in dollars

    At this point in time, can this be radically changed?
    What has been done so that such a thing could take place and go more, less, painlessly for the state?
    Will it not work out the same way as with Gorbachevsky dry law.
    Do we have specialists who are willing and able to do all this?
    Oh, how many questions, and the answers are WHERE?
    Opinion - it is necessary to get away from dollar dependence, but how to do it?
    1. Revival
      Revival 23 December 2020 13: 33
      -3
      Whatever changes take place at the moment, they physically cannot harm the state
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 December 2020 14: 02
        +1
        You can categorically assert that it is impossible to do worse ??? Or did I misunderstand you?
        1. Revival
          Revival 23 December 2020 16: 58
          0
          Key word to the state
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 December 2020 17: 36
            +1
            Okay, the state ... what follows from this, the state will not be harmed, and the people, who are the essence of this state, will not be worse either?
    2. A.K.
      A.K. 23 December 2020 13: 51
      +2
      There is no way to get away from dollar dependence except for the destruction of the US Federal Reserve, which will entail the destruction of the entire world economy. What will be inevitable and you need to prepare for this. The article is good, but all this has been known for a long time. Where are the solutions to these issues (problems) in a different way? Anyone who can offer what to offer questions can be asked by everyone (though yes it is also necessary to be able to what one artist has recently proved), but only a few can give intelligible and reasonable answers.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 December 2020 14: 07
        +2
        Quote: A.K.
        There is no way to get away from dollar dependence except for the destruction of the US Federal Reserve, which will entail the destruction of the entire world economy.

        I was interested in the opinion of a serious analyst, who clarified that even North Korea is WRITTEN into the existing system! By the way, he argued that the system can be modernized, significantly pushing the dollar aside, even pushing it into a corner .... BUT, this is a global, long-term process that can / must be carried out by a group of strong states, all together.
        1. A.K.
          A.K. 23 December 2020 14: 21
          0
          Totally agree with you.
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 17: 12
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      At this point in time, can this be radically changed?

      Of course. The point is not in the dollar "measure" of our money, as such, but in the sucking of funds from the pockets of our citizens through manipulations with it. It is enough to stop doing it. Nothing is easier.

      Quote: rocket757
      could it have happened and passed more, less, painlessly for the state?

      Do you think that the establishment of non-serfdom with elements of colonial dependence on the territory of the country is painless enough?

      Quote: rocket757
      Do we have specialists who are willing and able to do all this?

      Mikhail Vasilyevich Lomonosov, in his ode to Elizaveta Petrovna, argued that our land can still give birth to anyone it needs. I believe him.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 December 2020 17: 58
        0
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Mikhail Vasilyevich Lomonosov, in his ode to Elizaveta Petrovna, argued that our land can still give birth to anyone it needs. I believe him.

        No doubt, BUT, not often those who need to find themselves in the place where they are really needed! But the opposite happens often, unfortunately.
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Is the establishment of non-serfdom with elements of colonial dependence on the territory of the country painless enough?

        Verbiage, nothing intelligible, intelligible, not explaining.
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Nothing is easier.

        Yes, yes, this is when they WANT and CAN do ...
        Who here WANTS, CAN and is going to DO IT ???
        All our reasoning, fantasies, about nothing, because it will be as the upper ones decide, and they are up to our desires, aspirations very, very .......
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 18: 06
          +1
          Quote: rocket757
          not explaining

          Duc is a question. The question does not explain, but asks.

          Quote: rocket757
          Whoever WANTS with us CAN

          Regarding wants - many.
          Regarding, you may be surprised, but still the same many.
          Society, even reclining on sofas, can create a strong demand for change and the corresponding tension. Until we are all locked up in an electronic concentration camp, the authorities will not be able to ignore these things.
          And if someone is not lying on the sofa, but at least does something, then this is even more "bread".
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 December 2020 18: 22
            +1
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            Society, even reclining on sofas, can create a strong demand for change and the corresponding tension.

            When and where the request "lying on the sofas, was fulfilled at least partially ???
            Not one of those, of course, that the upper ones "launched into the people" to create legitimacy for some kind of decision they need.
            We have no FEEDBACK, we have the top ping-pong ... the top ones are ready to accept their serve, and the stranger will dangle, back and forth, ad infinitum.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 18: 41
              +1
              Quote: rocket757
              When and where the request "lying on the sofas, was fulfilled at least partially ???

              Lots of cases. Starting from a sharp change in the course of certain criminal cases (which received a public response) and ending with the influence on the adoption of certain laws / amendments (recently, Vova did not sign the toughening and rise in the cost of medical examinations for drivers, because the proposed amendments caused a sharp public negative).

              Or do you think that the drop in the real rating of the authorities below some critical level - our authorities do not care at all? Maybe that's why the screws are constantly being tightened in the media sphere? Maybe that's why the state spends money on the media, "its own Hollywood" and other propaganda, comparable to the financing of fundamental science in the country? If you have forgotten, the first (one of the first) thing Vova did when he came to power was to "centralize" the media. And here, for example, some chatterbox from YouTube "without getting up from the couch" can criticize the government to a million audience - isn't this an effective opposition to the efforts of those in power in the field of propaganda? Doesn't this have consequences? This is foolish to deny.
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 December 2020 19: 43
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                Lots of cases.

                In my opinion, there is nothing significant that changes the position of citizens in the direction of improving their well-being.
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                Or do you think that the fall in the real rating of the authorities below some critical level - our authorities do not care at all?

                This is YOURS. I have always noted that the upper ones have no desire to bring the situation to a social explosion. Measures, half-measures and PR ... this was enough until now, our people in the bulk are patient, inert.
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                Maybe that's why the state spends money on the media, "its own Hollywood" and other propaganda, comparable to the funding of fundamental science in the country?

                It's sad, but it's a fact ... they don't want to work for the good, and they can't, for real !!! But to smear everything and everyone on top with oil, they do it, BUT YET.
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                And here, for example, some chatterbox from YouTube "without getting up from the couch" can criticize the government to a million audience - isn't this an effective opposition to the efforts of those in power in the field of propaganda? Doesn't this have consequences? This is foolish to deny.

                Reorganization of social network space is NECESSARY !!! BUT, as always, this is BUT, because of the excess of zealous du / R \ her and others, around the power of the overly obliging asceticism, it WILL HAPPEN AS ALWAYS !!! It is not only useless, harmful, but also DANGEROUS! Moreover, the "local kings" and servicemen understand only their own interests, rights, opportunities, and do not feel, do not feel any DUTIES to the people, society, country ...
                1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                  Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 22: 02
                  -1
                  Quote: rocket757
                  nothing significant

                  Even this is much better than just nothing that will happen if you sit in silence, not seeing the point of anything.
                  Didn't you tell you a tale as a child about two frogs in a can of sour cream? )
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 23 December 2020 22: 44
                    0
                    A tale of lies and a hint in it .... I learned a lot, a lot of fairy tales in my childhood and then they told us quite a few ... only these were other fairy tales, not about how to whip butter out of milk.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 23 December 2020 12: 14
    +15
    No wonder the author was promoted to the TOP ..
    Excellent article !!
  • rocket757
    rocket757 23 December 2020 12: 15
    +1
    conclusions

    They are very simple

    Conclusions can be drawn, but the real embodiment of ideas following from such conclusions, who will do?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 23 December 2020 12: 44
      +9
      And this is an article by Victor, proved by Platoshkin
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 23 December 2020 14: 10
        -3
        Those who seek to achieve global changes in the state, in one direction or another, must be ready to bear responsibility, suffering, punishment, for their activities ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 23 December 2020 15: 28
          +4
          Only activity implies actions according to any rules (laws). In the case of Platoshkin, the authorities violate their own laws. Acting out of bounds. And thus it itself fertilizes the soil for terror.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 23 December 2020 15: 30
            0
            Terror is punishable, and one must be prepared for that too.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 23 December 2020 15: 36
              +4
              And how to punish lawless people from power? This is a kind of terror too.
              Yesterday on zomboyaschik there was a story that in the Nizhny Novgorod region officials cut down a half-century spruce on a private plot. The Christmas tree was placed on the square in front of the administration, and the owner's complaint was dismissed. And they face only a fine of 20-30 tons from the municipal pocket.
              The people really will soon take up the pitchfork, do they not understand this?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 23 December 2020 15: 50
                +2
                Well, WE ourselves gave birth to this monster, we chose!
                No leaders will help, they will not unite the people. because .... and then you can write "thoughtful reasoning on the topic", but there WILL NOT be any talk anyway !!!
                I have already written many times how the LDPR party earned itself a mandate of trust for many years to come in our region, thanks to just one person, a simple party functionary !!! a good example to follow, achieve your goals!
                No one, to me, has ever cited anything like this as an example. The question is WHY?
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 23 December 2020 15: 54
                  +2
                  As if I agree. But then there is only one way out - a rebellion, senseless and merciless. With an unpredictable ending.request
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 23 December 2020 16: 11
                    +1
                    WHAT FOR??? Where and when did the revolt lead to good, desired results?
                    There is a clear opinion that only a well thought out, organized, work to consolidate like-minded people, supporters and adherents leads to the solution of the problem, the achievement of the necessary goals ...
                    This is so, excerpts from the textbook. A very useful book, I must say.
                    1. Darkesstcat
                      Darkesstcat 23 December 2020 16: 43
                      +4
                      The most important thing in the process is not to get caught in an article for terrorism and organizing a riot.)
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 23 December 2020 17: 28
                        0
                        This is also an option, but you can officially register and do everything within the framework of the existing legislation ... yes, it is still important, you need to have many centers of power, unification, then the work will go easier and more fruitful.
                        To rely on one leader .... an exceptional option, rarely having a decent result.
                      2. Darkesstcat
                        Darkesstcat 24 December 2020 07: 37
                        0
                        The trouble with several leaders is that there is a division of group members into independent sections. And who, then, will guarantee that when one of the leaders comes to power, he will not be tempted?
                      3. rocket757
                        rocket757 24 December 2020 09: 35
                        0
                        Yes, there can be an internal conflict ...
                        It means that it was not the leader who saw himself in the association, working for the good of everyone, who made his way into the governing bodies of the association, but a narcissistic co / Z / ate, creating something for himself, for his own sake ... start all over again if the governing body of the association turns out to be defective.
                        Nothing will work out without labor, the association should have a mechanism of self-control, the possibility of "self-healing". Therefore, it is desirable to have several centers of power tied to stable groups of like-minded people ...
                        Again, I repeat, everything is like a textbook.
                      4. Darkesstcat
                        Darkesstcat 24 December 2020 09: 44
                        0
                        And how to check that the leader is horny and not a decent person? And how to select people for self-control mechanisms. What if the original idea is not correct and needs to be corrected, who will make the decision?
                      5. rocket757
                        rocket757 24 December 2020 10: 16
                        +1
                        NOBODY has invented guaranteed recipes for protection ...
                        trial and error, in the structure of the community, association, there must be mechanisms of controlled "self-healing"!
                      6. Darkesstcat
                        Darkesstcat 24 December 2020 10: 42
                        0
                        And we come to the partisans in Minsk during the Second World War. Where the system was decentralized and few knew who was part of the partisans, so that when the cell was opened, the system would not be destroyed. One problem is that such a system will not be able to rule the country if it wins.
                      7. rocket757
                        rocket757 24 December 2020 11: 50
                        0
                        Why "partisan" when it is possible to act, to unite within the framework of the EXISTING LEGISLATION?
                        Are you going to organize illegal actions? Derail locomotives?
                        What for???
                      8. Darkesstcat
                        Darkesstcat 24 December 2020 14: 27
                        0
                        No, it's just that the system has self-defense, so open performances are doomed to failure. "To derail the locomotives?", For a peaceful revolution it is more profitable to advance your people into power on the sly. And over time, the power will be cleansed, and if you shout at all corners about the rotten government, then the KGB and the corresponding ones will not understand.
                      9. rocket757
                        rocket757 24 December 2020 15: 17
                        0
                        Any system has protection, BUT, you cannot protect yourself from everything and forever. It doesn't work that way!
                        How many empires, kingdoms, states that considered themselves protected have sunk into oblivion ...
                        So it was, so it will be, we need to work harder, prepare and .... everything will work out!
  • IS-80_RVGK2
    IS-80_RVGK2 23 December 2020 23: 46
    +2
    And what about Platoshkin? I'm sick of the PR of this cheap populist demagogue clown, worse than a bitter radish. What is the relationship with socialism in general has that nonsense that it carries? All Platoshkin's phonographs have rested their horns on the word socialism and do not want to see or understand anything but. You read Lenin and Marx what they write. Then compare with what Platoshkin is talking about. And if there is at least one convolution in the head, it will immediately become clear that he is blatantly lying.
  • Altona
    Altona 23 December 2020 12: 23
    +11
    What can I say? Andrey from Chelyabinsk is already to the left of me. hi In general, the conventional boris55 do not care about this. They are confident that they are going in the right direction.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 23 December 2020 23: 58
      +3
      Oh, what are you talking about. His views are petty bourgeois to the core. And this is quite logical. The article is, of course, just a masterpiece. What a profound conclusion, the state is playing on the side of the ruling class! Who would have thought. Thanks, Cap. Well, let's put that grandfather Marx wrote about it. One hundred and first article about how bad everything is. And what to do?
      1. Altona
        Altona 24 December 2020 07: 52
        +1
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        The article is, of course, just a masterpiece.

        ------------------------------
        A little more and will swing at Lenin's work "Imperialism as the Highest Stage of Capitalism."
  • paul3390
    paul3390 23 December 2020 12: 23
    +11
    There are too many conclusions instead of one, but the main thing - the enemies of the people are in power in the Russian Federation. The rest is just a consequence of this sad fact. Moreover, the capitalist, in principle, cannot but be the enemy of the people, because his interests and the interests of the people differ radically ...
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 December 2020 12: 25
      +3
      Quote: paul3390
      There are too many conclusions instead of one, but the main thing - the enemies of the people are in power in the Russian Federation.

      ------------------------------
      An article on an economic topic, and you are already drawing a political conclusion.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 23 December 2020 12: 29
        +12
        But is one without the other possible ?? what
        1. Altona
          Altona 23 December 2020 12: 41
          +12
          Quote: paul3390
          But is one without the other possible ??

          ------------------------
          Pavel, this has long been clear. These conditional new nobles are already scampering and consider themselves the masters of everything. Therefore, having owned an oil well for about 20-25 years (they have already mastered the role of a landowner), they cynically tell us all: "Why should we pay you pensions, support medicine and education? And God forbid, create jobs in the provinces?"
        2. Captain45
          Captain45 23 December 2020 12: 54
          +6
          Quote: Altona
          An article on an economic topic, and you are already drawing a political conclusion.

          Quote: paul3390
          But is one without the other possible ??

          As the founder noted: "Politics is a concentrated expression of economics," to which Vanka Tarataykin said: "Clever, his children ....:" (c) "" Do not play the fool .... " lol
          1. Altona
            Altona 23 December 2020 14: 25
            +7
            Quote: Captain45
            As the founder noted

            ----------------------------
            You have to speak carefully, that's all. In the light of new laws. That is why I do not develop the thesis with banal phrases. A clever person understands so well.
  • nnm
    nnm 23 December 2020 12: 29
    +2
    Andrey, thanks, an interesting article. Please tell me, you have not analyzed the total tax burden with the dynamics of the exchange rate and the cost of a barrel? How does VAT, NP, etc. change, and what is the final balance of payments? Yes, not all of this affects the federal budget, but, perhaps, it is necessary to look at the total tax burden?
    Plus, there is a very interesting system of "payment" of dividends by the largest players to the budget through the extremely busy Rosneftegaz LLC.
    Plus, it would be interesting to know your opinion on the implementation of the obligations established by the state for deliveries through exchange trading to the domestic market.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 23 December 2020 12: 43
    +15
    Quote: Tiksi-3
    in the constitutions of the USSR and the Russian Federation, mineral resources belong to the PEOPLE!

    Not certainly in that way...
    Constitution (Basic Law) of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics
    Article 6. Land, its subsoil, water, forests, factories, factories, mines, mines, railway, water and air transport, banks, communication facilities, large agricultural enterprises organized by the state (state farms, machine-tractor stations, etc.) as well as utilities and basic housing in cities and industrial centers are state property, that is, the public domain.
    Here, yes, no questions.
    "The Constitution of the Russian Federation" (adopted by popular vote on 12.12.1993 with amendments approved during the nationwide vote on 01.07.2020)
    1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
    2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.
    And here there is not a word about the "national property", but under the definition of "and others" you can sum up anything you want.
    1. Tiksi-3
      Tiksi-3 23 December 2020 13: 51
      +5
      Quote: Crowe
      2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership.

      the answer is simple, you need to separate the concepts - land, natural resources and subsoil.
      do you have a summer cottage or a plot of land? do you think your property has a fertile layer of land or everything under it? what is the difference between a well and a well? - tax! Well, natural resources are forests, fields, rivers, lakes .... but about the subsoil where ??
      1. Crowe
        Crowe 23 December 2020 14: 54
        +13
        So I'm wondering, but about the bowels of the earth?)) This is your statement (sorry, I have to repeat):
        that in the constitution USSR and RF bowels - belong to the PEOPLEU!

        There are terms in the Constitution about land and natural resources (which, as we see, can belong to anyone), but confirmation of your words that "the bowels belong to the PEOPLE!" I didn’t find it. I looked into the Law of the Russian Federation of 21.02.1992 N 2395-1 (as amended on 08.12.2020) "On subsoil", maybe there is something about the fact that the subsoil "belongs to the PEOPLE!"
        Quote from Article 1.2. Subsoil ownership
        Minerals and other resources extracted from the subsoil can be in federal state ownership, property of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation, municipal, private and other forms of ownership under the terms of the license.
        Again twenty-five. About "the bowels belong to the PEOPLE!" not a word. Again "private and other" property))
        But in the Soviet Constitution, black in Russian about the people
        "are state property, that is national property."
        1. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 23 December 2020 15: 01
          +6
          Quote: Crowe
          So I'm wondering, but about the bowels of the earth?)) This is your statement (sorry, I have to repeat):

          When I was studying at the Faculty of Geology at the Voronezh State University, we were constantly pressured by the fact that, according to the constitution, mineral resources are a national treasure, although I studied at the end of the USSR. I asked the professors about this in terms of current regulations, received an answer (orally) that the subsoil still belongs to the state (people)
        2. Tiksi-3
          Tiksi-3 23 December 2020 15: 03
          +6
          Quote: Crowe
          Extracted from the bowels

          again here is the interpretation of PROPERTY .... it's like a contract for work ..... they can extract under a license, but dispose of only at the discretion of the state
      2. NKT
        NKT 23 December 2020 17: 21
        +6
        Anything deeper than 5m needs to be issued in the form of a mining lease)
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 23 December 2020 13: 05
    +13
    The rise in the dollar rate provokes inflation, the purchasing power of the ruble is gradually losing

    It is not the dollar rate that is growing - it is even falling in price against world currencies (https://ria.ru/20201203/dollar-1587542626.html), since the Fed is consistently adhering to the Quantitative easing policy, abbreviated QE ("quality easing").
    It is correct to say that the ruble is depreciating against the dollar.
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 23 December 2020 13: 23
    +11
    As for our would-be economists, they are people cut off from reality. They don't really know about anything at all, their development froze somewhere at the level of the American textbook "Economics" for the 1st year.
    Not so long ago I read the "revelations" of Doctor of Economics Inozemtsev. He made a discovery - it turns out that labor productivity at Exxon is 14 times higher than at Gazprom. And on this premise, he draws profound conclusions ...
    How is this possible, you ask? Well, let the Americans be more effective, but not 14 times! And the casket is very easy to open - Exxon outsourced most of its work! As a resident of Sakhalin, where this company is running a huge project, I am well informed. Yes, they even drill other wells - "Parker Drilling" and "Schlumberger"! I'm not even talking about logistics, food, security, etc. - everything is done by third-party firms. This is how you get huge revenue on employees in the company staff! But in "Gazprom" there is nothing, right up to sanatoriums ...
    But the unfortunate economist is too lazy to study the issue, he is already smart! By the way, I wrote to him on Facebook, but of course I did not receive an answer. The man is busy, shits in the brains of fellow citizens. fool
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 December 2020 14: 30
      +11
      Quote: Sahalinets
      Well, let the Americans be more effective, but not 14 times!

      -----------------------------
      14 times still all right. But why is the conditional miller 5000 times more effective than any of us? This question does not give rest. Graduated from the same high school and university, and does not have bourgeois ancestors. laughing laughing What does he do something? Collapsing world oil and gas prices? laughing laughing Duc is kind of the opposite harm and amateurishness.
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 23 December 2020 14: 34
        +7
        But why is the conditional miller 5000 times more effective than any of us?

        And this is the only reason for the existence of the modern Russian state - to immensely enrich a narrow group of people.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      23 December 2020 14: 48
      +8
      Quote: Sahalinets
      As for our would-be economists, they are people cut off from reality. They don't really know about anything at all, their development froze somewhere at the level of the American textbook "Economics" for the 1st year.

      The fact of the matter is that no. "Economics" just debunks the monetary approach of managing the economy in favor of the Keynesian one, substantiating the role of the state in the economy in great detail.
      Alas, our HSE was clearly not smart enough for the Economics Bru and McConnell crying
      1. Sahalinets
        Sahalinets 23 December 2020 15: 16
        +6
        I meant that their development stopped at extremely primitive schemes. And Keynes himself considered economics a kind of propaganda. laughing
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          23 December 2020 15: 17
          +7
          Quote: Sahalinets
          Keynes himself considered economics a kind of propaganda

          And nevertheless, he wrote that the state should actively manage the country's economy, since the "invisible hand of the market" is not able to do this
          1. Sahalinets
            Sahalinets 23 December 2020 15: 20
            +3
            It definitely passed them by. Friedman was prayed for. I remember how in the 90s all this pack, led by the crazy Yegorushka, attacked BAM - uselessly buried money, nothing to carry!
            Only now BAM is not even loaded, but overloaded and actively expanding. Obviously, the idiots did not realize that first the infrastructure had to be built, and only then the production had to be developed ...
    3. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 17: 31
      +3
      Quote: Sahalinets
      And the casket is very easy to open - Exxon outsourced most of its work!

      Here, the other day, one so compared Mask with Rogozin.
      Do not under any circumstances think that I want to say something good (or even neutral) about Rogozin, just there was exactly the same "performance comparison".
  • Rostislav
    Rostislav 23 December 2020 13: 24
    +9
    Everything is absolutely correct. The only remark:
    Our analysts from the Higher School of Economics and others. can't understand one simple thing[b] [/ b]. Small business in the West has largely developed precisely on the wave of development and formation of industry and agriculture ...

    They all understand that there are no simpletons there. This is a continuation of a deliberate policy of plundering the state. As usual, under the slogan of care ...
    Self-remembered
    I believe in the honesty of the President
    And in the incorruptibility of the guards
    In the bank's care for customers
    I believe in mermaids, in brownies.
    1. Altona
      Altona 23 December 2020 16: 53
      +7
      Quote: Rostislav
      And in the incorruptibility of the guards

      --------------------------
      Especially in the light of the "amendments to the Basic Law," everything boiled down to the strengthening of the autocracy and its protection, although they squealed about "history, the Russian language, indexation of pensions, inviolability of borders, hot meals for schoolchildren" and other social rhetoric was used. And it would be good if this autocracy would be to the benefit of the people, they say, here I’m like you, right now, a new Dnieper hydroelectric power station, and we will have a tax-free IT enclave plus a 7-nanometer plant plus genetic medicine and nanopharmaceuticals. And everything will be real, without theft. But no, nothing will happen. There will be a pandemic and children under 8 years old for milk.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 23 December 2020 13: 27
    +5
    Common denominator of tools for creating Russia's problems Are their owners their own masters? In our age of technology and communications, it is unlikely Someone is still the most important - "What does the intelligence say?" - "Intelligence is silent" Or maybe like under the boyars They are on their own and the people are a consumable of the Tsar on them We can’t have a few in Russia owned everything otherwise we will be lost Or all equally or one-all, but when one system is more stable, which time has shown
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 17: 40
      +1
      Quote: awdrgy
      Or maybe like the boyars

      As with the boyars - it will no longer be. Boyars at least kept money and children in this country. That is why the people stood up with a single force (either a boyar or a peasant) in a hard time against an adversary. Now everything has changed. This is important to understand.
      1. awdrgy
        awdrgy 23 December 2020 21: 15
        +1
        Well then, the transport was worse and there was no Internet (or maybe they would have kept it) They only ran to Poland on their way Yes, and there were prerequisites for this, but the tsars pressed such people and now no one is pressing (The results of privatization will not be revised) A certain analogy can be traced And with a certain propaganda, even now the people will be raised if the interests of the new boyars are affected (a purely technical question) By the way, you have touched on an interesting topic- What if the adversary really attacks? Perhaps if at the same time the interests of the people and the "boyars" diverge then
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 23 December 2020 21: 19
          0
          I looked in the net But there is already such a point of view I read at my leisure I need to analyze
        2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 21: 57
          0
          Quote: awdrgy
          We only ran to Poland on the way

          To Poland, etc. fled from the anger of the king, mainly, and not for a good life.
          Then people were cut differently. For example, the Orthodox among Catholics, etc. life was generally stifling.
      2. Altona
        Altona 24 December 2020 07: 54
        0
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Boyars at least kept money and children in this country.

        -------------------------
        Nifiga, everything was the same. Rushing to the Cote d'Azur with "back-breaking labor".
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 December 2020 10: 42
          -1
          Quote: Altona
          Nifiga, everything was the same. Rushing to the Cote d'Azur with "back-breaking labor".

          These were large landowners. Land and people are their main value. Do you think they were villages with peasants, granted by the tsar for faithful service, were they taken away with them?))
          1. Altona
            Altona 24 December 2020 13: 48
            0
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            These were large landowners. Land and people are their main value.

            ----------------------------------------------
            In your opinion, they were all "big landowners." And "people and land" weren't they mortgaged? And the state, in your opinion, did not give contracts, on which they did not profit? And the funny thing is that all this is described in the movie "The Romanovs" by Star Media. Are you apparently a romantic monarchist? By the end of the monarchy, everyone with money was trying to squander it in Europe.
            1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 December 2020 14: 52
              -1
              Quote: Altona
              the funny thing is that all this is described in the film "The Romanovs"

              The funny thing is that you, apparently, do not know at all about who the boyars are. For example, you don't know that the last boyar in Russia was Ivan Yuryevich Trubetskoy, who died in the distant 1750. At the same time, the tendencies that you describe appeared in some significant form much later. And even these later times cannot be compared with the times of today. Comparing them is just nonsense.
              1. Altona
                Altona 24 December 2020 18: 35
                0
                Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
                the last boyar in Russia was Ivan Yurievich Trubetskoy

                -------------------------
                I'm in the know. No need to "treat" me and replace concepts. It was generally about the ruling and management class. If there were trends, then deny their stupidity. And in comparison with those times, the amount of wealth has increased.
                PS If you are talking about the "boyars" and "nobles", then the "boyars" simply died as a class by the 19th century.
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  • Revival
    Revival 23 December 2020 13: 28
    +6
    Excellent article!
    Directly, it is understandable for those who are not in the subject of the question.
    Thank you!
  • demo
    demo 23 December 2020 13: 30
    +15
    Dear author.
    All your conclusions are a voice crying in the wilderness.
    Not only will they not listen to you.
    They won't even want to listen to you.

    Now attention.
    The deceased Vasily Semchera (General Director of the Research Institute of Statistics) named more interesting things.
    For example.
    From Russia to Germany, they sold oil worth 20 billion euros. Those. shipped.
    And the statistics of Germany reflect that from the Russian Federation received oil for 40 billion euros.
    Someone (?) Ordered the Customs Service, the FSB, the Federal Tax Service and other inspectors to “not notice” that 50% of the proceeds had not been received by the budget.
    And where did this money settle if it was not received by the Russian Federation?
    Right. Beyond.
    Now you and I understand why we respond with veal bellows to all sanctions against the Russian Federation?

    There are about 45% of such "withdrawals" for someone's (?) Benefit in the Russian Federation.
    This has started to happen over the past 10 years.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 23 December 2020 13: 56
    +11
    Do you want an even more curious observation - toHow did the leaders of the monetary authorities of the Russian Federation in 2010-2014 make money on the currency swing?

    The Central Bank acts as a regulator of the ruble exchange rate; accordingly, with an excess of the dollar on the exchange, the ruble exchange rate will begin to strengthen, with a shortage of currency, it will begin to fall.

    In the period from 2010 to 2014, several times the monetary authorities artificially created a currency deficit on the exchange (intentionally or not - not a question for me).
    Question - why?
    The following picture appears:
    - when the ruble exchange rate is relatively in equilibrium, the price of oil is stable, a stable inflow of proceeds from oil traders, the Central Bank buys out foreign exchange earnings, which, by law, exporters are obliged to sell (almost all).
    What the market does not buy, the Central Bank buys up. If the market does not have enough currency, the Central Bank sells it, bringing about equilibrium.
    At a certain moment of such stability, the monetary authorities, having accumulated certain reserves of currency, decide to swing the swing "and stop buying foreign currency (leaving the market) or reduce the purchase - an excess of currency on the market leads to a significant strengthening of the ruble. This provokes currency holders to actively sell it," going into the ruble ".
    - after some point, the monetary authorities resume active buying of currency. The strengthening of the ruble stops and the ruble begins to fall in price. So far, only professionals in the market notice this.
    But soon everyone is trying to save their savings and are trying to transfer ruble assets into foreign currency - the dollar begins to rise and the ruble falls rapidly.
    That is, at such a moment, the monetary authorities artificially create a shortage of foreign currency in the market. The main thing is not to miss the moment and not to miss the process to an uncontrollable one (as it happened in November-December 2014).
    The exchange rate has long gone beyond the equilibrium point, from which the "currency swing" and the accumulated reserves of foreign currency begin, can now be sold for a much larger ruble mass - which is what begins.
    The Central Bank throws currency into the market and makes very good money on it (as well as insiders and currency speculators). The frenzied demand for currency has been extinguished - the currency is sold out profitably, the ruble mass has been withdrawn from the market and from the pockets of legal entities and individuals, and the rate will gradually return to an equilibrium state while the figures accumulate reserves for the next "swing" and the cycle was repeated.

    On average, from 2010 to 2014, such swings occurred regularly once or twice a year.
    By how easy it was to fend off the ruble going out of balance, but this did not happen due to the Central Bank's inaction, and then the "savior" profitably sold the currency supply and began to save until the "next time". This scenario was repeated many times from time to time from year to year - it was clear that someone had found an excellent way to "replenish the budget" by manipulating the surplus - the deficit of foreign exchange on the Russian market. A kind of "perpetual motion machine" of the currency swing.
    That lasted until November 2014, while the "games" of the monetary authorities were superimposed on the effect of the sanctions for Crimea and overturned the ruble at its peak.
    And so they would regularly extract the ruble mass on the artificially created rush demand.


    Count the number of "peaks" from 2010 to 2014
  • Hagen
    Hagen 23 December 2020 14: 07
    -13%
    That is, you need to understand that if it has arrived somewhere, it means that it has disappeared somewhere. The existing tax system really allows solving the problems of the budget and oil producers by playing on the dollar exchange rate, but at the expense of you and me

    That is, budget problems are not at all the problems of the life of the country's citizens? Whose? And the population of the country does not receive anything from the budget? Y-yes .... you're still that economist.
    It is not the wealth of our subsoil that works for the good of our country.
    It is our country that works for the benefit of those who manage the wealth of our subsoil.

    The final conclusion is clear. The author presented the state as a system of governing a country, an enemy to an ordinary citizen of this country. In principle, the conclusion is characteristic of the author. He alone here in three numbers exposed the whole cannibalistic essence of the modern Russian leadership. wassat In general, there is nothing new. This is not the first time our state has faced those who call it the enemy. The same Pompeo the other day ... But he is forgiven, he works for his country ...
    I liked the phrase of the political scientist Evstafiev: "We will clean up the fifth column, and the hybrid war is not terrible" ...
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      23 December 2020 15: 26
      +9
      Quote: Hagen
      That is, budget problems are not at all the problems of the life of the country's citizens?

      How do you like to juggle and blame from a sore head to a healthy one :))))
      The problems of our budget are not brought by the tooth fairy, they are created by our own state. And they decide - at the expense of citizens. If the state chose a sane budgeting system, there would be no need to "cure" problems with a fall in the ruble exchange rate.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 23 December 2020 16: 59
        -12%
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        The problems of our budget are not brought by the tooth fairy, they are created by our own state. And they decide - at the expense of citizens.

        Problems are created by the STATE, and solved at the expense of CITIZENS. By this opposition, you show that the state and citizens are two completely different entities. The question you mentioned are the citizens of WHAT? The same state? Is not it? Tell me, what does the state include in this case if its citizens are excluded from it? It seems to me that you have problems not only with the economy ...
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Choose a state sane system ...

        Do you know her? Sane, then? That's what I see, you are not the "captain of a successful business" and with your knowledge of how to build a "sane system", you do not turn in billions. Andrey from Chelyabinsk is not on the Forbes lists. And as the wisest used to say, practice is the criterion of truth. And you don't boast about your practice. Probably because it is easier for an ignorant reader to carry "wise thoughts" than to show his wisdom in practice. And since you are not an economist in principle, I do not consider it expedient to take your particular figures seriously and refute.
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          24 December 2020 07: 14
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          Problems are created by the STATE, and solved at the expense of CITIZENS. By this opposition, you show that the state and citizens are two completely different entities.

          Quite right. Although this should not be.
          Quote: Hagen
          Tell me, what does the state include in this case if its citizens are excluded from it?

          Let you not shift your crazy ideas to me.
          Quote: Hagen
          Do you know her? Sane, then?

          Yes I know.
          Quote: Hagen
          That's what I see, you are not the "captain of a successful business" and with your knowledge of how to build a "sane system", you do not turn around in billions. Andrey from Chelyabinsk is not on the Forbes lists. And as the wisest used to say, practice is the criterion of truth. And you don't boast about your practice.

          Hagen, you are completely confused in your poor little head :))))
          First, if I don't brag about my practice every step of the way, it is because I am humble.
          Secondly, I am quite a successful finder for myself, who in my lifetime pulled out a number of large enterprises from bankruptcy, including city-forming ones.
          Thirdly, I cannot imagine the fright with which you decided that an entrepreneur (a person capable of making a fortune) can come up with an effective tax system. Hint - a huge number of our large owners, including those who are listed in the Forbes, are not economists and are very far from economics.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 24 December 2020 08: 44
            -2
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I am quite a successful finder, who in my lifetime pulled out a number of large enterprises from bankruptcy, including city-forming ones.

            I have read this more than once from various commentators. laughing There is no more foolish idea than boasting about "unprecedented achievements" under an anonymous nickname in an uncontrolled web ... I would be even more foolish if I believed in all this. But the style of presentation of the material, the texture, the logical connections given - all this, to put it mildly, does not confirm your abilities for the mentioned feats.
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            I can't imagine how frightened you were to decide that an entrepreneur (a person capable of making a fortune) can come up with an effective tax system.

            Well, you write that you are a successful finder, and you know how to arrange a "sane system" of taxation. You, however, manage to contradict yourself in one comment. This is not serious laughing
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Hint - a huge number of our large owners, including those who are listed in the Forbes, are not economists and are very far from economics.

            This is the kind of thing, economists, as holders of a diploma in higher economic education, they may not be. But in the process of life and successful work, such people gain knowledge and experience that allows them to bring their business into the category of successful ones. In any case, they need to "float" in a certain amount of classical knowledge in order to understand their own kind. Those. they have to read some special literature on their own. But they have one thing in common - they have no time to write articles in magazines. request This is if you mean the "active" owners. There are also passive ones, those who do not participate in business management, but use the results of the work of hired specialists.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              24 December 2020 09: 40
              +3
              Quote: Hagen
              I have read this more than once from various commentators. There is no more foolish idea than boasting about "unprecedented achievements" under an anonymous nickname in an uncontrolled web ... I would be even more foolish if I believed in all this.

              Hagen, you just made me laugh. Well, it's impossible to merge so obviously, in the end :)))
              When I was silent about myself, you made a claim to me
              Quote: Hagen
              And you don't boast about your practice. Probably because it is easier for an ignorant reader to carry "wise thoughts" than to show his wisdom in practice.

              When I started talking about myself, you ... made a claim to me
              Quote: Hagen
              There is no more stupid idea than bragging about "unprecedented achievements" under an anonymous nickname on an uncontrolled network ...

              In other words, EVERYTHING, no matter what I say or write, is subject to your criticism :)))) Hence anyone reading our correspondence can draw an absolutely correct conclusion: you are not doing criticism, but indiscriminate criticism.
              Which, in fact, was required to prove.
              Quote: Hagen
              Well, you write that you are a successful finder, and you know how to arrange a "sane system" of taxation. You, however, manage to contradict yourself in one comment. This is not serious

              laughing fool
              That is, you are not even able to grasp the difference between a financial director, who, on the one hand, is a professional economist, but on the other hand, is a hired person and works for a salary, that is, he is not an entrepreneur, and an entrepreneur who is not an economist. You do not understand at all what one is doing and what the other is doing, it seems to you that their activities are approximately equal wassat But at the same time you write
              Quote: Hagen
              But the style of presentation of the material, the texture, the logical connections given - all this, to put it mildly, does not confirm your abilities for the mentioned feats.

              Dear man, you are completely incompetent in the matters you are trying to judge :)
              Quote: Hagen
              But they have one thing in common - they have no time to write articles in magazines.

              John Maynard Keynes (find out who he is) strongly disagrees with you. Anyway, the "argument" is delusional - what if a person works in the financial sector, he has no right to a hobby? Perfect nonsense. But, since your task is to prove your innocence at any cost, you do not hesitate to bear it.
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 24 December 2020 11: 28
                -2
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Hagen, you just made me laugh. Well, it's impossible to merge so obviously, in the end :)))
                When I was silent about myself, you made a claim to me

                Laughter for no reason is a sign you know what. I will explain to those who may not have "caught up". Your colleague, Vyacheslav Shpakovsky, also writes a lot of critical notes. Moreover, he is a very real person who has real publications, for which it is quite possible to confirm the competencies for which he claims. If you take responsibility publicly in an article written for the mass of the people, to accuse of illiteracy all those authorities that these people have chosen, then be so kind as to show up to the people in your own guise. You are anonymous. It is not known who and where. Therefore, faith in your word, well, at least, no more than mine.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                In other words, EVERYTHING, whatever I say or write is subject to your criticism :))))

                Not true. Not criticism, but doubt. Which you, unfortunately, cannot dispel. You don't even give me any specifics in your answers, except for attempts to offend me personally with all sorts of definitions and metaphors. But in fact you are not saying anything ...
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Dear man, you are completely incompetent in the matters you are trying to judge :)

                Reading you, I, to the best of my ability, draw some conclusions for myself and express them to you. This is not a trial, this is an attempt at discussion, but unsuccessful. The court would be if I wrote to your editor-in-chief a request to subject you to close scrutiny for attempted manipulations. Therefore, in my opinion, you are wrong here too.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                That is, you are not even able to comprehend the difference between a CFO who, on the one hand, is a professional economist, but on the other hand, is a hired person and works for a salary,

                Not at all. Based on your example of how regions transfer money to each other, I understand that you are not a professional economist. Approximately the same person who introduces himself as an investigator "fired up" when he talks about the criminal cases he has instituted.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                You do not understand at all what one is doing and what the other is doing.

                Whatever a successful entrepreneur does, there are some things that he will not give to any of his hired assistant. These are questions of money. He usually has chief accountants, financial directors, etc., but he always holds the main "reins", money, in his hands.
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                John Maynard Keynes (find out who he is) strongly disagrees with you.

                Maybe he would not agree, but he is known for his works on economics. But about butterflies, for example, he did not write anything significant. This is to make it clear to you that a person who is deeply involved in business, both in his theory and practice, sometimes writes great works on his business. But you, obviously, are not Keynes, and, unlike the tax topic, you did very well on ships and tanks. But if you say that you know how to build a correct, sane tax system, then why don't you present it? But not here. Here everything will pass with a bang. And to the community of professional economists. Or at least for a review by Glazyev or Delyagin. Then I'll take off my hat and admit everything that you attribute to me wink In the meantime, request unfortunately, you have not convinced me that you are right.
        2. Altona
          Altona 24 December 2020 07: 58
          +1
          Quote: Hagen
          That's what I see, you are not the "captain of a successful business" and with your knowledge of how to build a "sane system", you do not turn around in billions.

          -------------------------------
          That is, "if you are so smart, why are you so poor." Knowledge is not so important, or rather the main component in building wealth. First comes cynicism and all kinds of rejection of ethical norms.
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 23 December 2020 17: 12
        -3
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Choose a state sane budgeting system

        what is it? hi Any ideas other than good wishes?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          24 December 2020 07: 05
          0
          Yes :))) And soon I will post an article on this topic.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 00: 32
        +1
        Now, attention, a question. Why should the government choose a different budgeting system? On the principle of all good versus all bad? What should motivate him?
  • Boris ⁣ Shaver
    Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 14: 23
    +5
    So, the proceeds from the sale of 557 tons of oil to Russian enterprises will remain the same

    Here is a flaw. Recently, another, "auxiliary" mechanism for supporting our dear subsoil users has been working. The price of oil in the world may fall, while the price of gasoline in the country may rise. So, the proceeds from oil sold domestically in such periods may well even increase.

    It is also not worth forgetting about other forms of state support for raw materials companies during periods of crisis. From indirect (reduction of tariffs for the use of pipeline transport, etc.) to direct transfer of money.

    And the third thing. The process of "privatization" of our raw material companies is going on continuously. In 2020, the state, for example, lost a controlling stake in Rosneft. And this is a loss of dividend receipts to the budget from these companies.

    So the situation with this "skew" is not only not getting better - it is getting worse every year.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      23 December 2020 15: 19
      +6
      Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
      Here is a flaw. Recently, another, "auxiliary" mechanism for supporting our dear subsoil users has been working. The price of oil in the world may fall, while the price of gasoline in the country may rise.

      This was discussed in the last article :)))
      But everyone living in the Russian Federation knows that fuel prices in our country rise in two cases: when world oil prices rise, and when they fall. However, they can increase even with unchanged world oil prices, because for us nothing is impossible!
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 23 December 2020 14: 46
    +7
    The last paragraph to the point! To please the oil and gas industry, they destroy the entire system of development of the state as a whole. The point is that from the oil produced, if there is nothing to buy grain and the farmer left the fields to sow.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 23 December 2020 15: 09
    +6
    According to the Constitution, the subsoil seems to belong to the people, the people represented by the state, gives the right to use the subsoil, to those who own the means of production for the extraction of subsoil, as well as for their disposal. And the result:
    the country works for the benefit of those who manage the wealth of our subsoil.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 23 December 2020 17: 09
    -4
    "It is our country that works for the benefit of those who manage the wealth of our bowels."
    It's hard to argue with the conclusion, but the author wants / suggests what? You can kill raw material companies with high taxes - the budget will not be better, neither will the population, but investments in processing will be reduced ...
    You can nationalize commodity companies, the experience of Venezuela is indicative ...
    It is possible to hope that the country will switch to the export of high value-added products, but this is not quick, and the markets are divided - no one is waiting for us ...
    That little is being done - I agree that nothing is being done - not true! There is a program for the development of petrochemicals, quite serious! There are other programs in the military and civilian spheres ... It is clear that I want more ... however, such Wishlist led the country to 20 disasters in the 2th century ... The author is sure that he does not provoke this already at 21? request
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 23 December 2020 18: 05
    -1
    dear Andrey from Chelyabinsk thoroughly and logically figured out one of the methods of robbing Russia by international bankers .... I would like to know more about the specific tax on Russians, it is paid on a national basis. only Russians (and Russians), but Russia pays it to all foreigners .... a very interesting tax is called VAT .... not decently high in size ...... buying a bottle of milk or a loaf of bread .... you pay a quarter of the money spent with this tax, and an American buying a Russian bun has the right to receive a quarter of its value from the budget of the Russian Federation, and some companies receive illegal VAT refunds in billions from the budget of the Russian Federation (the Magnitsky case). taking them away from Russian children and old people ... a very interesting invention of our liberals
    1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 22: 11
      -2
      Quote: vladimir1155
      an American buying a Russian roll has the right to receive a quarter of its value

      As well as you, having packed, for example, in Barcelona, ​​you can get back their local VAT (tax free).
      Not using the benefits of the state (not living in it permanently) do not pay VAT
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 23 December 2020 22: 44
        +1
        these are all the little things that you will redeem in your purse, the opinion of an ordinary person! VAT is billions of taxes and a refund for large wholesale (for example, a refund of vat for oil), by the way, it is not in the USA, so they will not return anything for buying from them (slaves are not entitled to money) ... and what are the benefits of the state with a tax level burden 115 percent
        Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
        Not using the benefits of the state
        and why should we pay ethnic tax on aborigines (slaves of America) and why does our country pay it to foreigners (their masters, slave owners)? it turns out that the benefits are only for foreigners, and additional spending for the aborigines? your logic is strange ...
        1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 22: 59
          -1
          Quote: vladimir1155
          VAT is billions of taxes and refunds for large wholesale

          Export support?

          Quote: vladimir1155
          why should we pay ethnic tax on aborigines

          We also serve in the army of this country. The Americans are not.

          Quote: vladimir1155
          states with a tax burden of 115 percent

          This is a completely different conversation. Do not lump everything together if you want to be understood correctly.
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 24 December 2020 15: 21
            +1
            your approach is interesting
            Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
            This is a completely different conversation.
            that is, the size of the tax burden should be divided according to yours? it is the liberals who came up with such a number of taxes so that the townsfolk do not understand that they need to be added (the stupid think that we have 13 percent, forgetting that they themselves pay VAT, tax on real estate, compulsory insurance, etc.) but yours " export support "how is it? Think for yourself about this deception invented by the liberals who are defending here with foam at the mouth .... why for our goods should we pay more than those who receive them for export? where is the logic? what is export and why does it need to be supported more than domestic consumption? ... this is of course a simple admiration for the fuse, but the logic is what? export, translated into Russian from the liberal one, is just an opportunity for foreigners to buy domestic goods not in Russia but abroad, that's all ...... explain your words so as not to be idle talk please 1 why you can't add up the tax burden (to find out its integral level ) and 2 why is it necessary to especially support exports to the detriment of the domestic consumer?
  • Gene84
    Gene84 23 December 2020 19: 10
    +7
    Minerals and the economy of the Russian Federation. Who works for whom?

    Certainly not for ordinary citizens of Russia.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 23 December 2020 19: 50
    +3
    This is the answer to the question: what are we building and what they have built for us.
    This is a little bit, not a welfare state, as written in the Constitution.
    This is thieves' capitalism, as Delyagin says.
    Everything for theirs, targeting for the rest!
  • 72jora72
    72jora72 24 December 2020 03: 56
    -1
    If, say, before the population of city N could afford to spend 50 million rubles on various services. a month, and now only 25 - train even 100 million private entrepreneurs, this will not raise the economy. Because, no matter how many private entrepreneurs there are in the city of N, they still won't earn more than 25 million rubles.
    If the ministers of the "economic bloc" do not understand basic things, and are appointed only for a reason personal devotion, then the course to nowhere will continue ...
  • Essex62
    Essex62 25 December 2020 08: 11
    0
    Conclusion - capitalism, with its margin, is an outrageous evil. This system of social relations is not for humans.
  • Mmm.
    Mmm. 25 December 2020 10: 29
    0
    It's not just about taxes and subsoil users. The entire administrative vertical is inherently anti-people and anti-social, sincerely, and from all its insides it is man-hating towards the people.
  • vladimmiroff
    vladimmiroff 30 December 2020 03: 33
    0
    Sensibly, competently, exactly. Thanks to the author. Great article.
  • Alexander Koshkin
    Alexander Koshkin 5 February 2021 15: 04
    0
    Exactly the same follows from the attitude of the authorities to the labor market. According to the Federal Tax Service for 2018, there were 16 million guest workers in the Russian Federation. Taking into account illegal immigrants, their total number is estimated at 20-30 million! And this is about 60 million jobs! Not only does it leave unemployed and significantly reduce the earnings of the local population, save