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The number of Turkish UAVs "Bayraktar" delivered to customers has become known

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The number of the Bayraktar UAVs delivered by Turkey, including abroad, has become known to the wider world community.


According to the data provided to the Turkish edition of RaillyNews by the technical director of the company engaged in the production of UAVs, a total of 154 drones have been delivered to customers.

He said that the company supplies Bayraktar TB2 drones to the Turkish army and security forces, as well as to three other countries - Azerbaijan, Qatar and Ukraine. Their total number is 154 vehicles, of which more than 120 are now in service.


The total flight time of Bayraktar TB2 since 2014 was about 280 thousand hours. At the same time, according to a company representative, more than 80 percent of their flights in combat conditions were successful.

In addition, Baykar Defense supplied approximately 228 small UAVs to the Turkish military and security forces, the total flight time of which exceeded 100 thousand hours.

The company also announced that it has already developed a more advanced version of the UAV - Bayraktar TB2S. It uses the SATCOM satellite communication system to control the device. Thus, for this model, there are no restrictions on the range of use.

The use of Bayraktar TB2 drones played an important role in the victory of Baku over the Armenian forces during the Karabakh war. Now the manufacturer expects a significant increase in demand for these devices abroad. But there is one problem - anti-Turkish sanctions, including an embargo on the supply of components for Turkish companies in the military-industrial complex.
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  1. cokol-xnumx
    cokol-xnumx 21 December 2020 13: 12
    -21%
    useless maize against the Russian Federation and other serious countries and a developed air defense and electronic warfare system, only in Africa and Karabakh can be used.
    1. Cron
      Cron 21 December 2020 13: 24
      -13%
      Quote: cokol-161
      useless maize against the Russian Federation and other serious countries and a developed air defense and electronic warfare system, only in Africa and Karabakh can be used.

      What do you mean, this is already a shell killer. Most of the barmaley who remained after the atrocities, however, covered the sky over Damascus, and were not at the front, because the enemy did not have the opportunity to use this type of apparatus before, but this is ... The main thing is that he eliminated +100500 shells.
      And how many super-high-tech OS he put in Karabakh cannot be counted
    2. seregatara1969
      seregatara1969 21 December 2020 13: 25
      +7
      It doesn't matter, but he moves in a maz truck
      1. SaLaR
        SaLaR 21 December 2020 13: 37
        +2
        But father's long arm ............. good
        1. Sofa batyr
          Sofa batyr 21 December 2020 13: 53
          +1
          the company announced that it has already developed a more advanced version of the UAV - Bayraktar TB2S. It uses the SATCOM satellite communication system to control the device. In this way, for this model, there are no restrictions on the range of use.


          Obviously, this Bayraktar modification is kept in the air by the energy of the ether (perhaps by the power of the operator's thought?), Or did the Turks develop a system for refueling UAVs in flight?

          We are waiting for the non-stop record flight of the Bayraktar UAV "around the ball" from the Turks yes
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 December 2020 14: 10
          +1
          Quote: SaLaR
          But father's long arm .............

          And he got to do with it? Rather, his "hands". Here Father's "hardy legs", which he sold to Azerbaijan and Ukraine, are more suitable.
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 December 2020 14: 10
      +4
      Quote: cokol-161
      useless maize against Russia and other serious countries

      Russians also live in the LPNR and they need to be protected from the Bayraks
      1. Sofa batyr
        Sofa batyr 21 December 2020 14: 20
        0
        Quote: Olgovich
        Russians also live in the LPNR and they need to be protected from the Bayraks


        Only our systems of electronic warfare and ZARK such as "Pantsir" or "Thor" are capable of providing such protection, and, as you know, our servicemen will have to work on them.
        In the LDNR, there are simply no local specialists capable of managing them.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 December 2020 16: 50
          +2
          Quote: Divan-batyr
          Only our systems of electronic warfare and ZARK such as "Pantsir" or "Thor" are capable of providing such protection, and, as you understand, you will have to work on them our military personnel.
          In the LDNR, there are simply no local specialists capable of managing them.

          And OUR people live in the LDNR.

          The fact that they were raped in Ukraine in the last century is not their fault
    4. Anar
      Anar 21 December 2020 21: 02
      +3
      You are not right. The systems that can detect them and destroy them cost at least 50 million. And this is the price of at least 20 bairaktars. And if 5-8 bayraktar in a chain of 3-5 km (scout-drummer-scout ...) enter the territory, then the first bayraktar will be attacked and immediately upon launching the missile the air defense system will find its place. At that moment, depending on, or other bayraktars immediately fired shells (their shells no longer see them) or the data was transmitted to the Israeli kharops (for the first time, the integration was made in Karabakh). And also Hermes flies in non-action of the Shell (In Karabakh, 2 Hermes monitored the entire territory of 12 tysh km sq) to which the Shell physically cannot reach (the radius of Hermes is 100 km) and other systems simply do not see it. In Karabakh, it was the Hermes who discovered total fire on the Corners, after which they transferred the data to other drones, and they already attacked the air defense systems in a bunch. And no matter what kind of system is there, the signal is received, at most they will lose a couple of the drone, but the target will be destroyed. Only electronic suppression systems can cope with them, but here there is a but. Harop is controlled both by the operator and programmatically (Rubella is not difficult to find, on the very first day of Rubella's operation, the Azerbaijani troops established that it operates from a base in Gyumri). If Hermes receives a signal and transmits it to several harops at once, then rubella has no chance. Since even if the control is muted at the harop, the autonomous mode is activated according to the programmed target. And the Shell almost does not see him and Rubella does not suppress.
      So only the couch warriors shout that the Shell will destroy everyone. And in real life, the military with alertness is knowingly beginning to ring the bells and create their own unmanned systems.
      By the way, Turkey already has quadrocopters with a machine gun that fly around the city and scribble everything that emits heat ... But the Shell does not see them, although they are also vulnerable to people with a sniper rifle ... but here is another story.
      The main thing is to correctly build a strategy and use several different systems at once in combination with each other. But drones have proven to be more effective than older missile attack systems. Since they can see in real time where they are hitting, whether they have struck, and whether there are duplicate targets. And most importantly, while the rocket arrives, the target can change its location. And the drone hits exactly where it needs to be.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 00: 05
        0
        Quote: Anar
        The shell does not see

        What is this statement based on?
        1. Anar
          Anar 23 December 2020 10: 21
          -1
          They are too small, about 1 meter in width and length and less than a meter in height.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 12: 19
            0
            Quote: Anar
            too small

            At least, is there an optical post with an optical-electronic system?
  2. Doccor18
    Doccor18 21 December 2020 13: 14
    +5
    Due to problems with importing engines, the output will shrink. "Sultan" talked a lot about "import substitution", but sometimes there is an insurmountable abyss from words to engines ...
    1. dorz
      dorz 21 December 2020 13: 23
      +16


      Another new Turkish drone "Aksungur" goes into serial production.

      UAV Aksungur characteristics:

      - Flight duration from 40 hours to 60 hours;
      - Flight altitude 12-13 km;
      - Payload - 750 kg;
      - CATS optics from Aselsan for 25 and 30 km;
      - Synthetic Aperture Radar / SAR / GMTI-ISAR new development by Aselsana;
      - Sensors of communication and intelligence (SIGINT). There is SATCOM satellite connection from Turkish Ctech;
      - Uses 2 TEI PD170 turbodiesel engines, power from 170 hp up to 220 hp By the way, it surpasses the Canadian analogue of the rotax, thanks to which the continuous flight of the drone has increased to 60 hours;
      - The type of weapons which it can use: TEBER -81 (MK-81 with laser guidance) TEBER-82 (MK-82 with laser guidance), LUMTAS, MAM-L, MAM-C, CIRIT, HGK-3, KGK (82) and in the future they plan to supply it with air-to-air missiles. The pace and quality of production of a private Turkish UAV company can only be envied. sad
      1. Sofa batyr
        Sofa batyr 21 December 2020 14: 01
        +3
        Quote: dorz
        The pace and quality of production of a private Turkish UAV company can only be envied.

        Where we nepotism can be traced, production is also flourishing.

        Selcuk Bayraktar
        - Turkish entrepreneur, engineer, technical director and co-owner of Baykar Makina, son-in-law of Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 21 December 2020 16: 33
          +5
          Quote: Divan-batyr
          son-in-law of the president of Turkey

          But, only His father is the founder of an aviation company, and the UAV was already in 2014 and the wedding in 2016.
          1. Grits
            Grits 21 December 2020 17: 05
            +5
            Quote: kotdavin4i
            But, only His father is the founder of an aviation company, and the UAV was already in 2014 and the wedding in 2016.

            It's just that Erdogan's daughter realized who you need to marry in order to get fabulously rich
      2. venik
        venik 21 December 2020 14: 35
        +1
        Quote: dorz
        Flight altitude 12-13 km;

        Quote: dorz
        Incidentally, it surpasses the Canadian counterpart rotax, thanks to which the continuous flight of the drone increased to 60 hours;

        ==========
        belay

        No, the Turks certainly succeeded in creating UAVs ... But in engine building they are never strong were not! And then suddenly again! And "woo-a-la"! They took and immediately designed and built an engine, better than that of the Americans and Canadians (who have already eaten more than one "dog" on this? .... And so that the UAV with diesel (even a turbocharged one) flew at an altitude of 12-13 km ... belay request At a time when American and Israeli UAVs with piston engines fly, as a rule, no higher than 8-9 km ... what Only a few devices with PD are high-altitude ones, and even those are mostly American ...
        All this is suspicious, especially considering the Turkish penchant for bragging, it may very well be that the data of this "Aksungur", hmmmm: let's just say a little exaggerated .... Although, as they say: we'll see! request
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 21 December 2020 15: 02
          +2
          Quote: venik
          No, the Turks have certainly succeeded in creating UAVs ... But they have never been strong in engine building! And then suddenly again! And "woo-a-la"! They took and immediately designed and built an engine, better than that of the Americans and Canadians (who have already eaten more than one "dog" on this? .... And so that a UAV with a diesel engine (even a turbocharged one) fly at an altitude of 12-13 km .. .. At a time when American and Israeli UAVs with piston engines fly, as a rule, no higher than 8-9 km ..... Only a few vehicles with AP are high-altitude ones, and even those are mostly American ..

          There is a film on the Internet (it’s bad that he didn’t copy it) about the family of owners of the firm Bayraktar. There everything is very popularly explained where the company came from and how much the Americans have invested in it. Not from scratch and not a genius.
          1. no one
            no one 21 December 2020 22: 59
            +2
            Don't watch armenfilm
        2. no one
          no one 21 December 2020 22: 55
          0
          There they didn’t. There were many years of work
          1. APASUS
            APASUS 22 December 2020 10: 42
            0
            Quote: neden
            There they didn’t. There were many years of work

            I look facts in the eye. It’s when China immediately began to produce 5th generation aircraft without an engineering school. So Turkey, suddenly from scratch, took and began to produce modern unmanned aircraft systems on a stool.
            I'm not that naive.
            1. no one
              no one 22 December 2020 17: 25
              +2
              This is simply because you learn about them when you're done. Because it seems suddenly. Now, for example, there are many projects. When they are ready for you, it will again be a surprise. For example, do you know that the Turks have already made 3 launches into space? In a couple of years, when the satellite is launched, it will come as a surprise to you
              1. APASUS
                APASUS 23 December 2020 08: 45
                0
                Quote: neden
                This is simply because you learn about them when you're done. Because it seems suddenly. Now, for example, there are many projects. When they are ready for you, it will again be a surprise. For example, do you know that the Turks have already made 3 launches into space? In a couple of years, when the satellite is launched, it will come as a surprise to you

                What do you want to convince me of, open the story https://www.baykarsavunma.com/tarihce.html
                They produced spare parts for cars, then switched to a mini BALA, and then suddenly immediately to a tactical UAV.
      3. Grits
        Grits 21 December 2020 17: 04
        +7
        Quote: dorz
        The pace and quality of production of a private Turkish UAV company can only be envied

        Apparently the demand for Turkish "Bayraktars" has exceeded the demand for Russian "Pantsiri"
      4. no one
        no one 21 December 2020 22: 57
        0
        Aksungur and anka are not made by private traders. State enterprise
    2. Anar
      Anar 21 December 2020 21: 11
      +4
      Do you work at their factory and know everything?) I assure you, there are many countries who will replace engines, starting with Russia and China. And sanctions are always for the good, your military industry will be forced to develop. 2-3 years will suffer, but then they will be completely independent. At worst, there is something to disassemble, redraw, alter a little and start assembling on your own.
  3. Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 21 December 2020 13: 14
    0
    Now import substitution is needed to deliver.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 21 December 2020 13: 51
      +4
      No. Or rather, not quite.
      1) The engine cannot be disabled. Just like banning the Kamins. They are even sold on aliexpress. It is the world's most popular 80 to 130 hp family. The same Pakistan or Ukraine also buys them, for example, for small aircraft. And yes, the Sanction Orion flies on a Rotax 914 (slightly more powerful than the 912 in TV2) and, as it were, the rules.

      Its PD170 will go to TV3 already, because alterations will be required and the UAV itself will receive new opportunities in altitude, speed and carrying capacity. To make optimal use of all this, the airframe must be redesigned.

      2) ECO - here they generally only won. Seljuk took from Canadians because it is much cheaper, while covering the requirements of such a MALE UAV. It is far from a breakthrough, even the same Canadians had much better optical stations. But it is sufficient. They are now using a slightly adapted station from Aselsan. They are also serially installed on Anki, Aksugury. It's just that now the UAV will rise in price on the one hand, and on the other, it will receive new opportunities. For example, advanced anti-fog mode, better optical channel, etc. So on them, electronic warfare such as fog will not work so effectively.
      In fact, TV2 received an optical station from more advanced and expensive UAVs.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 21 December 2020 14: 00
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        Its PD170 will go to TV3 already, because alterations will be required and the UAV itself will receive new opportunities in altitude, speed and carrying capacity.

        More precisely on TB-2S.
        Test flight Bayraktar TB-2S has already completed.

        New CATS optics and MIlSAR radar
        Satellite communication system (Satcom)
        New engine from the Turkish company TUSAS TEI (presumably PD-170).
  4. Cron
    Cron 21 December 2020 13: 15
    +7
    If an order comes from Washington and Ukraine decides on its last adventure, and when our Western partners call us again, do not pick up the phone and bring the matter to the end.
  5. taiga2018
    taiga2018 21 December 2020 13: 18
    +2
    And what is Turkish about this drone?
    1. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 21 December 2020 13: 47
      +2
      Quote: taiga2018
      And what is Turkish about this drone?

      I believe that everything else that is not listed in the picture, i.e. body and flag
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 21 December 2020 14: 47
        +9
        Well, the most massive UAV in Russia flies on a Japanese engine and there are no plans to get off it.



        More recently, the Outposts trial ended, where the customs tried to collect money under the pretext:
        She believes that the composition of supplies from Israel was such that, in fact, disassembled finished products were sent to the Russian Federation... Therefore, in the opinion of customs, the components should have been classified according to the same headings as the assembled products, and subject to the corresponding duty. "Unmanned aerial vehicles are subject to import duties at a rate of 15%, and their components at a rate of 0%," recalls Vladimir Chikin, partner at Bryan Cave Leighton Paisner Russia. Exactly how much the customs wanted to collect from the UZGA, the published materials of the case do not say.


        And here:
        - the engine is already flying around on a heavier model with satellite + TV3 in operation under PD170. Well, and most importantly, there are no problems to buy Rotakh912 at all. Just now they will buy through the pads It is the most popular engine in the world in this size and power.
        - they put their own optical station, in fact, from an older model (competitor - TAI). Yes, the UAV will rise in price, but it will also receive new opportunities. For example, electronic warfare of the Mist type, which helped the NCR to hold out for a couple of days, will now be much less effective.
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 21 December 2020 14: 57
          +5
          Quote: donavi49
          Well, the most massive UAV in Russia flies on a Japanese engine and there are no plans to get off it.

          I’m not against it. The man asked that in "this Turkish drone", I showed him a visual texture.
          And so, today there is probably not a single country that has 100% no foreign materials and components in its product. hi
          1. aleks neym_2
            aleks neym_2 21 December 2020 15: 37
            0
            But what about Ukraine ???
    2. Anar
      Anar 21 December 2020 21: 42
      -1
      Quote: taiga2018
      And what is Turkish about this drone?

      Much besides start ...
  6. cniza
    cniza 21 December 2020 13: 24
    +2
    But there is one problem - anti-Turkish sanctions, including an embargo on the supply of components for Turkish companies in the military-industrial complex.


    Ukraine will help them ... lol
  7. Tagan
    Tagan 21 December 2020 13: 29
    +1
    Quote: taiga2018
    And what is Turkish about this drone?

    Screwdriver
  8. bar
    bar 21 December 2020 13: 36
    -1
    the company supplies Bayraktar TB2 drones to the Turkish army and security forces, as well as to three other countries - Azerbaijan, Qatar and Ukraine. Their total number is 154 vehicles, of which more than 120 are now in service.

    Judging by the photo, do they supply them complete with father's MAZs?
    Business, nothing personal ...
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 21 December 2020 13: 51
      -3
      Business ... nothing personal
      Russian trade with Ukraine
      In the 1st quarter of 2020, trade between Russia and Ukraine amounted to USD 1, a decrease of 823% (USD 437) compared to the same period in 785.

      Russian exports to Ukraine in the 1st quarter of 2020 amounted to USD 946, a decrease of 886% (USD 811) compared to the same period in 55,00.

      Russian imports from Ukraine in the 1st quarter of 2020 amounted to USD 876, a decrease of 550% (USD 974) compared to the same period in 22,75.

      The trade balance of Russia with Ukraine in the 1st quarter of 2020 was positive in the amount of USD 70. Compared to the same period in 335, the surplus decreased by 837% (USD 2019).

      The share of Ukraine in the foreign trade turnover of Russia in the 1st quarter of 2020 amounted to 1,2829% against 2,0575% in the same period of 2019. In terms of its share in Russian trade in the 1st quarter of 2020, Ukraine took 17th place (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 13th place).

      The share of Ukraine in Russian exports in the 1st quarter of 2020 amounted to 1,0641% against 2,0159% in the same period of 2019. In terms of its share in Russian exports in the 1st quarter of 2020, Ukraine ranked 21st (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 14th place).

      The share of Ukraine in Russia's imports in the 1st quarter of 2020 amounted to 1,6490% against 2,1393% in the same period of 2019. In terms of the share in Russian imports in the 1st quarter of 2020, Ukraine took the 13th place (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - the 10th place).

      Export of Russia to Ukraine
      In the structure of Russian exports to Ukraine in the 1st quarter of 2020 (and in the 1st quarter of 2019), the main share of supplies fell on the following types of goods:

      Chemical industry products (TN VED codes 28-40) - 27,59% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 15,92%);
      Food products and agricultural raw materials (TN VED codes 01-24) - 18,83% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 6,94%);
      Machinery, equipment and vehicles (TN VED codes 84-90) - 15,25% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 7,19%);
      Mineral products (TN VED codes 25-27) - 13,17% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 54,69%);
      Metals and metal products (TN VED codes 72-83) - 11,66% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 8,51%);
      Wood and pulp and paper products (TN VED codes 44-49) - 5,16% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 3,05%);
      Textiles and footwear (TN VED codes 50-67) - 3,05% of the total volume of Russian exports to Ukraine (in the 1st quarter of 2019 - 1,11%).
      The largest increase in Russian exports to Ukraine in the 1st quarter of 2020 compared to the 1st quarter of 2019 was recorded for the following product groups:

      Pharmaceutical products (TN VED code 30) - an increase of USD 10;
      Plastics and articles thereof (HS code 39) - an increase of $ 10 477;
      Aluminum and aluminum products (TN VED code 76) - an increase of USD 10;
      Meat and edible meat offal (TN VED code 02) - an increase of USD 8;
      Vegetables and some edible root vegetables and tubers (TN VED code 07) - an increase of USD 3;
      Sugar and sugar confectionery (TN VED code 17) - an increase by USD 3 783 624;
      Finished products from meat, fish or crustaceans, molluscs or other aquatic invertebrates (TN VED code 16) - an increase of USD 3;
      Various food products (nomenclature of goods subject to foreign trade code 21) - an increase of USD 3;
      Essential oils and resinoids; perfumery, cosmetic or toilet products (TN VED code 33) - an increase of USD 3;
      Nuclear reactors, boilers, equipment and mechanical devices; their parts (TN VED code 84) - an increase of USD 3.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 21 December 2020 14: 13
        0
        Clarification, under Ukraine Rosstat means, among other things, LPNR
      2. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 21 December 2020 14: 21
        0
        Quote: SaLaR
        Russian trade with Ukraine

        Well, like, Lugansk and Donetsk go to the same statistics, if they are in cho.
        And, like bae, we are not at war with Ukraine. They say they are fighting with us.
        1. SaLaR
          SaLaR 21 December 2020 14: 25
          -1
          So Father is not at war with Ukraine ....))) why then we run into him laughing
  9. Dimide
    Dimide 21 December 2020 13: 54
    -1
    In addition, in applications for the acquisition of Serbia, Kazakhstan, Poland
  10. svp67
    svp67 21 December 2020 14: 08
    0
    Now the manufacturer expects a significant increase in demand for these devices abroad.
    But in connection with the sanctions, will the new UAVs be identical to those that were previously?
  11. Avior
    Avior 21 December 2020 14: 31
    +3
    There is also a heavy shock Bayraktar Akinsi with Ukrainian engines.
    1. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 21 December 2020 15: 17
      +1
      Already highly questionable))) they say the Washington Reich Chancellery has banned.
      1. Avior
        Avior 22 December 2020 01: 13
        +2
        lie, as it turned out
  12. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 21 December 2020 15: 16
    -1
    The satellite control system is certainly good)))) but how many satellites does Turkey have and where do they hang?)))
    1. Suleyman
      Suleyman 21 December 2020 16: 47
      +4
      At the moment, 11 are in orbit, and 2021 more are planned to be launched in 8.
    2. Anar
      Anar 21 December 2020 21: 48
      +1
      They have quite a lot of satellites, the most famous are Türksats and Göktürk-i (1,2,3 ,,,,,). Don't forget Turkey is a member of the G20. Even Azerbaijan has at least 2 satellites.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 21 December 2020 23: 46
        -3
        Are they hanging over the entire planet or just over Turkey? If only in Turkey, then nobody else needs them except Azerbaijan and Banderland.
  13. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 21 December 2020 15: 29
    0
    Quote: seregatara1969
    It doesn't matter, but he moves in a maz truck

    At least painted. It's all bullshit.
  14. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 21 December 2020 15: 35
    -1
    Quote: seregatara1969
    It doesn't matter, but he moves in a maz truck

    If only they painted it, otherwise they took it from the motor depot ...
  15. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 December 2020 16: 39
    +1
    Thus, for this model, there are no restrictions on the range of use.

    It would be more correct to write that the limiting factor is not the distance from the control center, but the fuel supply.
  16. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 21 December 2020 19: 35
    -2
    advertising is the engine of progress. even - .. obviously you can sell beautifully, just present it !!!
    1. Anar
      Anar 21 December 2020 21: 52
      0
      Well, at the moment, he this model on hand with harop destroyed more tanks and other gooseneck or armored vehicles than any other model. Only one operation to destroy the minister of the fictitious republic was worth something. 80% of the world watched this video of how the Minister of Defense is being destroyed)
  17. no one
    no one 21 December 2020 23: 32
    +2
    And here is the whole "dronefall".
    About 30 vehicles for 3 wars, even without taking into account non-combat losses. A trifle compared to what they destroyed in Syria, Libya and Karabakh
  18. Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 22 December 2020 01: 40
    +1
    Quote: Anar
    You are not right. The systems that can detect them and destroy them cost at least 50 million. And this is the price of at least 20 bairaktars. And if 5-8 bayraktar in a chain of 3-5 km (scout-drummer-scout ...) enter the territory, then the first bayraktar will be attacked and immediately upon launching the missile the air defense system will find its place. At that moment, depending on, or other bayraktars immediately fired shells (their shells no longer see them) or the data was transmitted to the Israeli kharops (for the first time, the integration was made in Karabakh). And also Hermes flies in non-action of the Shell (In Karabakh, 2 Hermes monitored the entire territory of 12 tysh km sq) to which the Shell physically cannot reach (the radius of Hermes is 100 km) and other systems simply do not see it. In Karabakh, it was the Hermes who discovered total fire on the Corners, after which they transferred the data to other drones, and they already attacked the air defense systems in a bunch. And no matter what kind of system is there, the signal is received, at most they will lose a couple of the drone, but the target will be destroyed. Only electronic suppression systems can cope with them, but here there is a but. Harop is controlled both by the operator and programmatically (Rubella is not difficult to find, on the very first day of Rubella's operation, the Azerbaijani troops established that it operates from a base in Gyumri). If Hermes receives a signal and transmits it to several harops at once, then rubella has no chance. Since even if the control is muted at the harop, the autonomous mode is activated according to the programmed target. And the Shell almost does not see him and Rubella does not suppress.
    So only the couch warriors shout that the Shell will destroy everyone. And in real life, the military with alertness is knowingly beginning to ring the bells and create their own unmanned systems.
    By the way, Turkey already has quadrocopters with a machine gun that fly around the city and scribble everything that emits heat ... But the Shell does not see them, although they are also vulnerable to people with a sniper rifle ... but here is another story.
    The main thing is to correctly build a strategy and use several different systems at once in combination with each other. But drones have proven to be more effective than older missile attack systems. Since they can see in real time where they are hitting, whether they have struck, and whether there are duplicate targets. And most importantly, while the rocket arrives, the target can change its location. And the drone hits exactly where it needs to be.

    20 bayraktars are several command centers, even if there are mobile ones - no one has canceled the antennas, you need to search and hit them.
    150 km is not such a long distance to the command center. Something tactical like an Iskander will fly in and make a boom, the bayraktars will remain orphans.
    In the meantime, it is necessary to modernize the military air defense, + the idea of ​​drones-fighter drones should be developed.
    1. Anar
      Anar 22 December 2020 11: 46
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      Quote: Flashpoint
      20 bayraktars are several command centers, even if there are mobile ones - no one has canceled the antennas, you need to search and hit them.
      150 km is not such a long distance to the command center. Something tactical like an Iskander will fly in and make a boom, the bayraktars will remain orphans.
      In the meantime, it is necessary to modernize the military air defense, + the idea of ​​drones-fighter drones should be developed.

      That is why they are rebuilding to satellite communications.
      And even the Armenians in Karabakh fired with Elbrus and Skat, but they did not seem to destroy one command center (only they reached peaceful cities). I do not think that any country that has such technologies with drones (not only Turkey but also Russia, China, etc. ...) is stupid enough to fire control points. Maybe even the operators were sitting somewhere far away, but directly in the combat zone there was a simple transmitter-modulator that received signals from a distance of 1000 km and distributed it to the devices directly on the battlefield.
      We are all just sofa analysts, we do not know what was happening on the battlefield, and we will find out no earlier than in 10-15 years. Then we ourselves will laugh at our stupidity and naivety.
      I agree against air defense drones nonsense, expensive pleasure, better the same fighter drone. It is even possible with the same characteristics, but only with guidance and air-to-air missiles.
      1. Flashpoint
        Flashpoint 23 December 2020 13: 50
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        Quote: Anar
        Quote: Flashpoint
        20 bayraktars are several command centers, even if there are mobile ones - no one has canceled the antennas, you need to search and hit them.
        150 km is not such a long distance to the command center. Something tactical like an Iskander will fly in and make a boom, the bayraktars will remain orphans.
        In the meantime, it is necessary to modernize the military air defense, + the idea of ​​drones-fighter drones should be developed.

        That is why they are rebuilding to satellite communications.
        And even the Armenians in Karabakh fired with Elbrus and Skat, but they did not seem to destroy one command center (only they reached peaceful cities). I do not think that any country that has such technologies with drones (not only Turkey but also Russia, China, etc. ...) is stupid enough to fire control points. Maybe even the operators were sitting somewhere far away, but directly in the combat zone there was a simple transmitter-modulator that received signals from a distance of 1000 km and distributed it to the devices directly on the battlefield.
        We are all just sofa analysts, we do not know what was happening on the battlefield, and we will find out no earlier than in 10-15 years. Then we ourselves will laugh at our stupidity and naivety.
        I agree against air defense drones nonsense, expensive pleasure, better the same fighter drone. It is even possible with the same characteristics, but only with guidance and air-to-air missiles.

        I generally agree with all the concerns. Also, innovative methods are haunted - massive jamming of radars with gifts from space or rockets with special. parts that will spray something somewhere. There were a lot of such ideas, which ideas (as it is now fashionable to say) will "shoot" - only God knows. If you dream about the future, maybe optronics will solve the tasks of intelligent control of the battlefield in terms of identifying and tracking any threats, then network exchange between all participants in the battle and deciding who takes what goals in development.
        Air defense is in any case not nonsense, but it is necessary to bring existing samples to the point of catching flies and come up with new ways of fighting. Moreover, they are also cost effective.
  19. Alex russia
    Alex russia 22 December 2020 12: 13
    -1
    The Bayraktar tale for the Turks is over, it turns out that "import substitution" does not work for them, sanctions have come, and the most important components are of Western production. laughing