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Differences between the Su-57 fighter and the F-35: some positions

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Differences between the Su-57 fighter and the F-35: some positions

The Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighter is not yet supplied to the troops, and numerous foreign and Russian media continue to compare it to the American F-35. Moreover, the comparison is based on all the same publications and open information, which is not so much. No one will reveal the full specifications of their latest technology - for obvious reasons.


Most of the publications about the Russian Su-57 were published by the American edition of The National Interest. At the same time, the opinions of the authors of the journal can be categorically opposite. While some recognize the Russian fighter as a full-fledged fifth-generation aircraft, others describe it as a "conventional fifth-generation" fighter. The main reason for this is the AL-57F41 engine installed on the Su-1, the so-called "first stage" engine.

According to the contract concluded by the Ministry of Defense and the Sukhoi company, the Russian Aerospace Forces in the period up to 2027 should receive 76 production Su-57 fighters to equip three aviation regiments. The start of deliveries of aircraft under this contract is envisaged for 2021, the completion is planned for 2027. The initial production fighters will go to the troops with the first stage engine, and the Su-57 equipped with the second stage engine is planned to be received from 2023 or from 2025, data vary.

According to some experts, both foreign and Russian, with the receipt of the second stage engine, the Su-57 will turn into a full-fledged fifth generation fighter. With the use of the new engine, the Russian fighter will be able to achieve cruising supersonic speed without using afterburners. In addition, the new engine will provide the Su-57 with super-maneuverability.

So, according to open data, the maximum thrust of the "Product 30" engine reaches 11000 kgf, afterburner - 18000 kgf. The "first stage" engine has a thrust of 9500 and 15000 kgf, respectively. Thus, the Su-57 aircraft, even with a maximum take-off weight exceeding 35 tons, will have a thrust-to-weight ratio of more than one. With a normal takeoff weight, this parameter will reach 1,15-1,2.

What specific positions do the Russian and American fifth-generation fighters differ in (well, except that one has not yet joined the troops, and the other has long been in service with the US Air Force and Navy and is exported to a number of countries).

With the receipt of the second stage engine, the Russian Su-57 will significantly surpass the American F-35 in the following parameters: maximum flight speed, permissible combat load, maximum takeoff weight, flight duration, high maneuverability, although many of these indicators are higher for the Russian fighter and with an engine AL-41F1.

On the other hand, it is not entirely correct to compare the Su-57 and the F-35. The Russian fighter is designed to achieve air superiority, it surpasses the F-35 in flight range, speed and maneuverability. In turn, the American fighter was created to penetrate the enemy's air defense zone, strike at ground targets and coordinate the actions of other aircraft. Therefore, the F-35 relies on stealth.

Another important difference is the tests of the Su-57 with a heavy attack UAV ("Hunter") even before the introduction of both military aircraft into service. In the United States began testing the F-35 with the Valkyrie drone after the fifth generation fighter was put into service. At the same time, if for the Su-57 UAV "Okhotnik" to play the role of a slave aviation facility that even allows it to perform the functions of an interceptor, then for the US Air Force "Valkyrie" is used as a means of exchanging information between the F-35 and F-22, , as you know, is not directly possible due to the various communication protocols used.
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 December 2020 10: 59
    -18%
    On the other hand, the F-35 has a set of sensors for finding targets on the ground and working on these targets .... what does the Su57 have?
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 21 December 2020 11: 21
      +3
      Quote: Zaurbek
      On the other hand, the F-35 has a set of sensors for finding targets on the ground and working on these targets ...

      What are these?)))
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 December 2020 11: 42
        +5
        AAQ-40, AN / AAQ-37, AN / ASQ-239 with RTR station and high-resolution radar mapping mode
        hi
        1. Hexenmeister
          Hexenmeister 21 December 2020 12: 09
          +3
          high-resolution radar mapping mode
          Does the Su-57 radar have such a regime?
          1. Avior
            Avior 21 December 2020 14: 40
            -3
            If you know a serious source with a description, post the link, I also read
            1. Hexenmeister
              Hexenmeister 21 December 2020 15: 07
              +5
              serious source
              Nobody will tell what is not supposed to be told. It remains only to reach with your own mind. A good resolution for ground targets is the synthetic aperture mode, and there is nothing super-outstanding in it, it has long been implemented on older machines, along the way it should be noted that a fixed canvas in the nose, like on the F-35, will not allow to realize all the possibilities of this regime. For example, the following is known about the Su-57:
              In 2016-2017 the tests were joined by five more prototype flight samples of the Su-57, with the final three - already with a full set of multifunctional radar system, which, in addition to the front one, includes two side and two wing AFARs.
              That is, in the X-band, the Su-27 has three canvases, a bow and two side canvases, and through the side canvases it is possible to fully realize "all the charms" of the SAR.
            2. Errr
              Errr 21 December 2020 15: 18
              +5
              Quote: Avior
              If you know a serious source with a description, post the link, I also read
              Read about the Atoll optical-electronic complex 101KS. The 101KS-N (in Russian 101KS-N) in the figure below is just a multi-channel optical sighting system of the suspended type, designed to detect and identify ground targets and ensure the use of aviation weapons (ASP) against them.
              A source: https://vpk.name/library/f/101kc-atoll.html
              1. Avior
                Avior 21 December 2020 17: 28
                -1
                https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.topwar.ru/163040-pojavilis-foto-su-57-s-neizvestnym-podvesnym-kontejnerom.html
                It was at VO last year
                1. Errr
                  Errr 21 December 2020 18: 40
                  +2
                  Quote: Avior
                  It was at VO last year
                  Indeed, it was. Which once again confirms the presence of the 57KS optical-electronic complex on the Su-101. smile
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 21 December 2020 19: 34
                    -2
                    The only question is its capabilities. And this is a big nuance.
                    They generally write that this is a self-defense complex.
                    And so - even the pilot's binoculars are a means of working on the ground :)))
                    1. Errr
                      Errr 21 December 2020 21: 35
                      +2
                      Self-defense is only part of the 101KS features. And yet, yes, this is a very good telescope, but not the pilot, but the IUS Su-57, based on AI. The pilot is only given the honorary right to make a decision on the terminalization of this or that unwanted object. smile
                      Read on https://politikus.ru/army/122784-rossiyskiy-istrebitel-su-57-obladaet-iskusstvennym-intellektom.html
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 22 December 2020 00: 09
                        0
                        You made me laugh
                        so much nonsense in one article, as in the link, you rarely see. smile
                        Su-57E is a fifth generation combat aircraft as part of the Russian Aerospace Forces
                        Russian Aerospace Forces for Russia now - for export?
                        allow him to fly and fight in almost any weather conditions

                        this aircraft can destroy both flying targets on a collision course and even out of sight, as well as ground targets.
                        - and here the set is direct. Aircraft for destruction of targets smile
                        I&C is a set of programs that includes the entire range of knowledge of aircraft designers

                        In terms of autonomy, the Su-57 is practically a drone.

                        I hope you didn't take this invention seriously in the article of some scribe?
                        smile
                      2. Errr
                        Errr 22 December 2020 10: 18
                        +3
                        Alexander Vasilevsky's brain-defusing-hat-covering style of presentation amused me too. smile I'm glad you liked it too. laughing
                        But I, referring you to the literary "masterpiece" of the aforementioned author, did not mean, in fact, the entire Su-57 as a whole, but only its information and control system onboard computer IMA BK (onboard digital
                        computer integrated modular avionics of combat complexes). In order not to laugh more amicably after reading cheerful literary opuses, I suggest you carefully familiarize yourself with the description of this gizmo by its direct developer, namely ZAO STC "Module".

                        There the filling is in the form of four VLSI 1888TH018, each of which has two not at all weak PowerPC 470 cores,

                        and also four cores NMC3.
  2. aleks26
    aleks26 21 December 2020 11: 26
    +6
    Quote: Zaurbek
    On the other hand, the F-35 has a set of sensors for finding targets on the ground and working on these targets ...

    Well, this is natural, their goals and objectives are different, read the article carefully. It is generally not correct to compare them, classmates are F22 and SU57. It is necessary to compare them.
    1. figwam
      figwam 21 December 2020 12: 03
      +1
      F-22 pure fighter, Su-57 multifunctional fighter with the ability to work on the ground. Therefore, it is correct to compare the F-35 and the Su-57.
      1. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 21 December 2020 12: 57
        -5
        F-22 has long been screwed on the ground
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 15: 13
          +1
          Ground work of the F-22 is limited to bombing only. There is no comparison.
          1. Blackmokona
            Blackmokona 21 December 2020 15: 35
            -5
            Full-fledged work on the ground has already been filed long ago
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 15: 51
              +2
              No, it is not filed. What do you call full-time work? What tactical air-to-ground missiles is the F-22 capable of launching and what has it used in practice?
      2. aleks26
        aleks26 21 December 2020 13: 14
        +3
        Quote: figvam
        F-22 pure fighter, Su-57 multifunctional fighter with the ability to work on the ground. Therefore, it is correct to compare the F-35 and the Su-57.

        Su-57 is a heavy twin-engine fighter, F-35 is a light single-engine. It's like comparing a KAMAZ truck and a GAZEL truck. Both the one and the other trucks like, but are sharpened for different tasks. So no, not correct.
      3. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 December 2020 16: 21
        -4
        Continuing the theme - F35 strike aircraft with the ability to work through the air. And the presence of AFAR and medium-range missiles in-in, blurs the line when working at medium distances.
    2. Dodikson
      Dodikson 21 December 2020 14: 27
      -1
      The Dryer has a hanging container for ground work.
      101KS-N
  3. El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 11: 43
    +1
    And what can the F-35 do that the Su-57 cannot in the context of work on ground targets?
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 21 December 2020 13: 01
      -5
      The F-35 has a built-in high-resolution optoelectronic station with a laser designator
      and up to 12 precision bombs in the bomb bay.
      And how and what the Su-57 is capable of working on the ground is a secret behind seven seals, all hope is for the ROFAR, which has no analogue.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 16: 07
        +5
        Not impressed. The Belka radar complex works on the surface even without ROFAR. The 101KS-N module expands these capabilities.

        Eight points in the bomb bay and the same number of external points if necessary. The nomenclature includes both precision bombs and tactical missiles.
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 December 2020 17: 33
          -5
          Work on the ground under Il2 and even Po-2.
          The question of subtlety is with what? efficiency? How is it able to recognize targets, classify, etc.?
          How is the radar capable of operating - in what modes, with what resolution?
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 18: 31
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            The question of subtlety is with what? efficiency? How is it able to recognize targets, classify, etc.?
            How is the radar capable of operating - in what modes, with what resolution?

            I would happily appreciate this non-public performance data if you provide it.
            Just let's do without advertising brochures in the spirit of 0,000000000001 m ^ 2 epr F-22 smile
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 December 2020 19: 50
              -1
              There are videos with a picture of the resolution when working on the ground

              Su-57 would be nice to see such
          2. JD1979
            JD1979 21 December 2020 20: 05
            +1
            Quote: Avior
            Work on the ground under Il2 and even Po-2.
            The question of subtlety is with what? efficiency? How is it able to recognize targets, classify, etc.?

            Why didn't they immediately fall back to the capabilities of the Wright brothers' plane? And when the IL-2 and Po-2 were relevant, there were no complaints from the receiving party about poor-quality delivery.
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 December 2020 20: 20
              -1
              The Brothers Wright plane did not work on the ground, as far as I know
              The possibilities of working on the ground are different. And often these capabilities are very different not only with ammunition
        2. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 21 December 2020 18: 51
          -5
          The Belka radar complex works on the surface even without ROFAR.
          due to physical limitations against the background of the earth, the X-band radar is able to identify only a large radio-contrast target, such as a railway bridge or a protective aircraft hangar
          Module 101KS-N
          firstly, the pod will have a detrimental effect on radar signature.
          Secondly, it is not known whether the development of the sighting module has left the stage of creating a mass-dimensional model.
          Eight points in the bomb bay
          there may be 8 suspension points, but the VKS has only high-precision ammunition with a caliber of 500 and above, and it will not take more than 4 of them in the bomb bay.
          We do not even consider the external suspension, with it the combat value of the new aircraft does not exceed that of the Su-27.
          1. figwam
            figwam 21 December 2020 19: 09
            +2
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            but in the presence of the VKS only high-precision ammunition with a caliber of 500 and above

            New missiles and KAB for internal compartments have been developed especially for the Su-57.
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 19: 55
              +2
              Just about, KAB-250. It has already been tested on the Su-34 and is being integrated into the inner compartment of the Su-57.
          2. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 19: 32
            +3
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            due to physical limitations on the background of the earth X-band radar

            Name. I am pleased to hear the detailed performance characteristics and limitations of the "Belka" complex, especially when working with ground targets in the aperture synthesis mode.
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            firstly, the pod will have a detrimental effect on radar signature.

            So is this "Louvre pyramid" built into the belly of the F-35. And gilding is not a panacea here.
            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            there may be 8 suspension points, but the VKS has only high-precision ammunition with a caliber of 500 and above, and it will not take more than 4 of them in the bomb bay.

            Remind me exactly which twelve "precision bombs" are capable of pulling inside the 35th?

            Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
            We do not even consider the external suspension, with it the combat value of the new aircraft does not exceed that of the Su-27.

            You may not consider, but the developer is considering, so much so that he placed as many as 6 suspension points on the F-35
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 December 2020 21: 00
              -3
              ... I am pleased to hear the detailed performance characteristics and limitations of the "Belka" complex, especially when working with ground targets in the aperture synthesis mode.

              Does he work in this mode?
              1. Hexenmeister
                Hexenmeister 22 December 2020 09: 02
                +2
                Does he work in this mode?
                Why should he not work in it, if it has been implemented both on the Irbis and on the Bars, I would not be surprised if it was fully screwed onto the N-001 bypass modernization channel. If we talk about RSA on Sukhoi fighters, then the first real data were obtained on the predecessor of "Bars" in the late 80s.
    2. dauria
      dauria 21 December 2020 13: 57
      -7
      And what can the F-35 do that the Su-57 cannot in the context of work on ground targets?


      Lower price, lower labor intensity, which means more machines. Well, the differences in tactics in attack and defense determined the appearance of the F-35. According to the American idea, when attacking, the factor "will be discovered as soon as possible" a group of attack aircraft and cover fighters (ideally at a distance of medium missiles). Then the task is to quickly transfer the battle to a close-range missile all-aspect. Moreover, the main task of covering from the F-35 is to let the bombers (also F-35) work out, and not "shoot down left and right."

      Therefore, they did not give them long-range missiles like our P-37, and supersonic without afterburner was considered an excess for these aircraft. In a word, we have sensibly divided the requirements for defense aircraft (even the F-15 will come off) and attack (here, without a small EPR of 0 sq. M), it is difficult to live.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 15: 34
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        Lower price, lower labor intensity

        Are you serious now? The cheapest version of the F-35 is almost one and a half times more expensive than the 57th.
        1. dauria
          dauria 21 December 2020 16: 13
          -4
          Are you serious now? The cheapest version of the F-35 is almost one and a half times more expensive than the 57th.


          What does the selling price have to do with it? The prime cost is influenced by the mass character of the series, unification with other aircraft in terms of units, assembly technology, and in the end even the number of engines. How can drying be cheaper? In principle, sometimes cheap apartments are sold out of hopelessness.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 16: 53
            +2
            You were carried somewhere in the wrong place at all, because you are trying to compare the warm with the soft. In fact, I asked about operational capabilities, and not about counting rhymes and the volume of purchases with budgets that differ by an order of magnitude.
            Quote: dauria
            How can drying be cheaper?

            The F-35 is more expensive, like any representative of the American military-industrial complex, due to the same, due to which any other representative of American products is more expensive. The cost of labor, production and development. This also includes the desire to recoup additional development spending, which grew and grew with the increase in the cost of the project.

            Quote: dauria
            The prime cost is influenced by the mass character of the series, unification with other aircraft in terms of units, assembly technology, and in the end even the number of engines.

            Well, tell me about the unification of the F-35 and about the assembly technology. At the same time, tell us how the 35's multiplier production volumes made it "cheaper" than the Su-57.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 December 2020 16: 22
      -1
      It can operate without a suspended container on the ground .... target search, classification and destruction. Modern Su34.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 18: 33
        +1
        Am I missing something, or did someone say that the Su-57 cannot work on the ground without a container?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 December 2020 23: 08
          -2
          Can't, no sensors
  4. yuriy55
    yuriy55 21 December 2020 11: 59
    +2
    Quote: Zaurbek
    what does Su57 have?

    fool The designers and developers of the Su-57 will catch up on the site after 20.00 Moscow time ... wassat
  5. Dodikson
    Dodikson 21 December 2020 14: 26
    0
    On the other hand, the F-35 has a set of sensors for finding targets on the ground and working on these targets .... what does the Su57 have?

    It has...
    101KS-N
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 December 2020 11: 00
    +14
    At the moment, there is only one difference - the F 35 flies and is in service with a number of countries, and our Su 57 is only trying to be built in series and get on the wing!
    1. sustav75
      sustav75 21 December 2020 17: 38
      -3
      Nobody cares about that! For them, su 57 has no analogues in the world! And he is already 5 ++ in their language! And the fact that there are no cars in the aviation regiments is trifles! They just have to argue, to pick up their throats! In the meantime, a normal engine will be at least in 2025! It's a shame, at least.
  • venik
    venik 21 December 2020 11: 04
    +7
    It remains to understand what is "news"??? All of the above has long been" sucked "in various media ... request
  • svp67
    svp67 21 December 2020 11: 05
    +7
    The Russian fifth-generation Su-57 fighter is not yet supplied to the troops, and numerous foreign and Russian media continue to compare it to the American F-35.
    And this is now the MAIN difference between these aircraft. And honestly, why is the Su-57 compared to the "light" F-35, and not the one-class F-22?
    1. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 21 December 2020 11: 20
      -17%
      Compared to the F22, it will be completely sad. The difference between them is 15 years, but there are no advantages, on the contrary.
      And before the F35 there are a lot of virtual advantages, two engines do their job.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 11: 30
        +8
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        The difference between them is 15 years, but there are no advantages, on the contrary.

        As a child, you weren't taught that lying is bad?
      2. venik
        venik 21 December 2020 11: 31
        +6
        Quote: OgnennyiKotik
        Compared to the F22, it will be completely sad. The difference between them is 15 years, but there are no advantages, on the contrary.

        =======
        Yes? And what, if not a secret, of course the F-22 is superior?
      3. Dodikson
        Dodikson 21 December 2020 14: 34
        0
        And in what way is the Fu-22 better than the Su-57?
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 December 2020 16: 28
          0
          We don't know, they are secret ..... Su 57 is conceptually located between F22 and F35, but closer to 22 .........
          On the other hand, for the Russian Federation, the "Stealth Fighter" is more important than the strike stealth aircraft. And the United States has always historically performed many strike missions, and now there are many modern air defense systems on the market, so they made the F35 massive.
          1. Dodikson
            Dodikson 21 December 2020 22: 41
            0
            Yes, there is nothing particularly secret, according to Poghosyan, the EPRs of the Fu-22 and Su-57 are approximately the same from the front side, but from the back they are less noticeable due to flat nozzles, but because of them, drying is more maneuverable, and in terms of avionics, the land is higher than the fu-22, since it has an OLS, and all-spectrum radars, including L-band, and a BKO and EW complex, which the raptor practically does not have.
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 22 December 2020 11: 26
              -1
              Everything is correct except for the nozzles. They do not affect the EPR, but the reduction in the infrared range to make it difficult to operate missiles with the corresponding head.
              1. Dodikson
                Dodikson 22 December 2020 11: 31
                -1
                I do not argue that flat nozzles reduce IR visibility, for this they were created as a whole (a thin jet cools down faster and is less noticeable in contrast) but is also less noticeable on radars.
                therefore there was a dispute about why there is no flat nozzle in the Fu-35. but there he decided that the loss in power for a single-engine aircraft is more critical than a slight increase in visibility.
  • vitinka
    vitinka 21 December 2020 11: 19
    -8
    RALLY ZADALBALI WITH THIS THEME F35 - SU 57 WELL EVERY DEN PILETE SOMIM IS BORNED ?????
    1. Doccor18
      Doccor18 21 December 2020 11: 25
      +1
      You can, for a change, compare Armata with Abrams, Leader with Burke, Manatee with Ford, Husu with Seawulf ... fellow
  • rocket757
    rocket757 21 December 2020 11: 20
    +2
    What to discuss then?
    Maybe you should wait for at least some kind of change in what is today?
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 21 December 2020 11: 36
    +5
    for the exchange of information between the F-35 and the F-22, which (exchange), as you know, is not directly possible due to the various communication protocols used.

    Like it's easier to launch a whole UAV into the sky than to implement the same protocol exchange directly into the plane itself ??
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 21 December 2020 13: 05
      -2
      Why not?
      The F-22 upgrade package is just being prepared and there is nowhere to rush with it, and joint exercises can be carried out through a drone right now.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 21 December 2020 18: 29
        +1
        and through a drone, joint exercises can be carried out right now ........ what if they knock down the golden link in the chain. and is it even worse to posodyut at home, and what then., everyone will scatter in all directions ... along the way, the information exchange system should be directly on the fighter ..... look how the P-700 Granites work in a salvo. one was shot down or some kind of breakdown. the next one is a guide for the rest, and in fighters there should be some kind of drin with central powers .... in the line of Su-fighters, this has been worked out with advice. and not only between each other but also with the MiG-31
        1. Nestor Vlakhovski
          Nestor Vlakhovski 21 December 2020 19: 10
          -1
          suddenly knock the gold link in the chain
          who will shoot down a drone in the skies of Alaska and California ??
          and is it even worse to encourage at home
          rather aliens will fluoride on the ground than someone will be able to take control of someone else's drone.
          won how the P-700 Granites work in a salvo.
          in granites, the most primitive target distribution system, so that all the "stones" for one target do not work out, as it often happened before.
          The drone immediately acts as a repeater. The RF Armed Forces, by the way, have drones for the same purposes.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 21 December 2020 19: 33
            +2
            who will shoot down a drone in the skies of Alaska and California ?? ... mother nature, and she is dashing in those chickens
            rather aliens will fluoride on the ground than someone will be able to take control of someone else's drone .... I don't know, but there are no other humanoids in Crimea .... but the fact of landing was. in Syria, too, ... it seems like the Persians were also planted, well, China is not asleep ... why are humanoids from Alpha Centauri
            The drone immediately acts as a repeater. In the RF Armed Forces, by the way, drones for the same purposes ... oops ... and what are the thousands of orbiting satellites doing !!!! that is, they are in low orbit and in oceans, as I understand it ...
            1. Nestor Vlakhovski
              Nestor Vlakhovski 21 December 2020 20: 44
              -1
              Mother nature, and she is dashing in those chickens
              then you have to blame the crooked operator
              but the fact of landing was. in Syria too, ... it seems like the Persians also planted
              do not confuse landing and crash. Most often, aircraft (even if manned, even unmanned) fall without any "help", the fact is that American drones, as they flew over Iran and Syria, both at home, and still do it.
              and what are the thousands of orbiting satellites doing?
              with different response times, different bandwidth and different noise immunity, they occupy different niches. If the "global hawku" only needs rare commands from the operator, and the flight itself is controlled by the on-board computer, then, for example, in the tactical link between aircraft, information should be transmitted online, with a minimum response and maximum data transmission speed.
              1. Crimean partisan 1974
                Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2020 09: 10
                0
                should be transmitted online, with a minimum response and maximum data transmission speed ....... so such systems on interceptors have existed for a long time, why should it be a repeater drone, it’s even easier to drop the old information to the center via satellite ... so why complicate everything when even elementary all combat units use satellite navigation ..
                evil tongues say that drones and drones were spanked in Syria for a hundred pieces ...
                As for Syria in general, it’s some kind of a walk-through yard, you don’t understand where who and how many of whom, there are Russians, there are striped ones. there are Kurds. there are evil barmalem and there are very angry barmaley ... because whoever is not lazy fly ... ... but with Iran it is unlikely ... there may be isolated cases, but this is an exception
                1. Nestor Vlakhovski
                  Nestor Vlakhovski 22 December 2020 17: 40
                  0
                  so such systems on interceptors have long existed
                  Which interceptors are equipped with broadband encrypted communication channels that allow transmitting all available operational information to the neighboring aircraft?
                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  why go drone repeater

                  Quote: Nestor Vlahovski
                  Why not?
                  The F-22 upgrade package is just being prepared and there is nowhere to rush with it, and joint exercises can be carried out through a drone right now.

                  Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
                  even dumping the info to the center is easier via satellite

                  The satellite is unable to provide the required bandwidth and response time.
                  so why complicate things
                  on the contrary simplify. Instead of changing iron on planes for training flights, they simply launch an additional drone into the sky. How much easier ?!
                  all combat units use satellite navigation.
                  satellite navigation has nothing to do with this topic even close.
                  drones and drones in Syria spanked for a hundred pieces
                  90% of which are alterations of Aliexpress toys, each of which costs roughly as a "hail" shell, about $ 1000.
                  Iran is unlikely ... isolated cases may be
                  not isolated cases, Iranians constantly complain about systematic violations of their airspace.
                  1. Crimean partisan 1974
                    Crimean partisan 1974 22 December 2020 19: 58
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                    it is on which interceptors there are broadband encrypted communication channels that allow transferring all available operational information to the next board ... well, the wax S-107 has such abilities
                    Instead of changing the hardware on planes for training flights ... the hardware is initially installed on a single bus, the replacement is about the same as crawling under the table and replacing the software of your shmudak
                    90% of which are alterations of Aliexpress toys, each of which costs about like a "hail" projectile, about $ 1000 .... for that, these toys have almost zero EPR, but nevertheless. if you need to shoot down then shoot down. if not. then there is no court.
                    ... or do you think that hunter-shmanters-baraktars shine below the foam !!! wildly i doubt
  • Kurare
    Kurare 21 December 2020 11: 40
    +7
    With the new engine, the Russian fighter will be able to reach supersonic cruising speed without using afterburners.

    This topic is getting too much and has already acquired a beard: Su-57 with first-stage engines are capable of going to supersonic without using afterburner. Thus, it meets all the criteria for the so-called. 5th generation.
  • bar
    bar 21 December 2020 11: 41
    +11
    with the receipt of the second stage engine, the Su-57 will turn into a full-fledged fifth generation fighter. With the use of the new engine, the Russian fighter will be able to reach supersonic cruising speed without using afterburners. In addition, the new engine will provide the Su-57 with super-maneuverability.

    The F-35 has no supersonic cruising, no super-maneuverability, but it is 146% fifth generation. Do they have problems with the rhyme or with propaganda everything is fine? No.
    1. hydrox
      hydrox 21 December 2020 13: 43
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      Well, here's how with a curve counting mb. fresh and honest propaganda, especially with crooked-headed and deceitful officials in the State Department.
      This propaganda will be false and rotten.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2020 11: 52
    +3
    The comparison is not entirely correct, I would say. The fact is that the aircraft, although conditionally can be attributed to the 5th generation, are built for different tasks and under the idea of ​​scientists from different countries, about a new generation of combat vehicles.
  • Guru
    Guru 21 December 2020 12: 17
    -3
    On the other hand, it is not entirely correct to compare the Su-57 and the F-35.
    More precisely, it is not at all correct. We need to compare SU-57 and Lockheed / Boeing F-22 Raptor.
    1. asr55
      asr55 21 December 2020 17: 54
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      In a military review, this often happens.
  • Bez 310
    Bez 310 21 December 2020 16: 57
    -2
    The main difference between these aircraft is that the F-35 was produced.
    more than 550 pieces, and the Su-57 is not in combat units.
    1. asr55
      asr55 21 December 2020 17: 57
      +2
      Here you have given! It's like writing they are different. In addition, more than 50% of F-35s cannot even take off due to malfunctions or engine resource depletion.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 21 December 2020 17: 03
    0
    Already tired of this transfusion from empty to empty. About fu-35 advertising data and a little real are known, which completely refute the advertising. Nothing is known about the Su-57. Pictures in the media cannot be considered a source. About the real characteristics of the equipment are silent and "they" and "us". "They" - so as not to disgrace, "we" - so as not to divulge. So what to compare?
  • asr55
    asr55 21 December 2020 17: 53
    +1
    Only an eksperd military review can compare aircraft of different class. How do light and heavy fighters differ from each other? The level of military review experts is below the baseboard.
  • iouris
    iouris 21 December 2020 18: 31
    0
    The most inaccurate question, which had to be explained: "And which plane is better: theirs" Phantom "or our MiG-25?" Cope with difficulty. The author is well done: he opened the topic.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 21 December 2020 19: 02
      0
      F-4 "Phantom" is needed with the MiG-21, and the combat score, coupled with the overall performance, leaves no shadow of doubt in the assessment.
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 21 December 2020 19: 21
    -1
    stop throwing trash, there will be a battlefield in the air, maybe there will be information)))
  • fa2998
    fa2998 21 December 2020 20: 50
    -1
    Quote: figvam
    Therefore, it is correct to compare the F-35 and the Su-57.

    How do these "experts" compare single-engine and twin-engine aircraft!
    I know for sure that one (foreign) is already in the series (more than 500 delivered), our dear, they promise (only promise!) With a "native" engine will be 23-25 ​​years old. recourse hi
  • FRoman1984
    FRoman1984 22 December 2020 05: 45
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    "The first stage engine", has a thrust of 9500 and 15000 kgf "

    Author, AL-41F-1 has 8800 thrust at maximum, like AL-41F-1C. And not 9500. The difference between them is in the management. Digital and electro-mechanical.
    That is why a car with engines of the first stage is not complete. If it were 9500, then even bothering with the new engine would not be necessary, so it would be cool.
  • Vitaly Pogrebnyak
    Vitaly Pogrebnyak 22 December 2020 21: 52
    0
    The main difference is that the American aircraft has already been created.
  • shonsu
    shonsu 28 December 2020 12: 15
    0
    What specific positions do the Russian and American fifth-generation fighters differ in (well, except that one has not yet joined the troops, and the other has long been in service with the US Air Force and Navy and is exported to a number of countries).

    Professionals are immediately visible.
    With the receipt of the second stage engine, the Russian Su-57 will significantly surpass the American F-35 in the following parameters: maximum flight speed, permissible combat load, maximum takeoff weight, flight duration, high maneuverability, although many of these indicators are higher for the Russian fighter and with an engine AL-41F1.

    To be more precise, all these indicators of the Su-57 are higher than those of the F-35, even with the engines of the first stage. The only thing that the F-35 can boast of is its lower visibility. Fse-o-o! ..
  • Ilya_Nsk
    Ilya_Nsk 21 January 2021 06: 49
    0
    I didn't read. It is extremely incorrect to compare these machines. Then with the F-22, with which they are similar, like brothers
  • Maksim_ok
    Maksim_ok 25 January 2021 11: 17
    0
    The Su-57 should be compared with the F-22, not the F-35.
  • shonsu
    shonsu 14 February 2021 12: 01
    0
    Stupid article