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Ukraine to supply Turkey with engines for cruise missiles

Ukraine to supply Turkey with turbojet engines for cruise missiles. Zaporozhye Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" named after Academician A. G. Ivchenko signed a number of contracts for the supply of components for the Ay-35 and MS-400 turbojet engines. The relevant data was published on the public procurement portal ProZorro.


The Ai-35 turbojet engine being developed by Progress, according to previously published data, will be used in a promising Turkish rocket created within the Gezgin project. In 2021, Ukraine is to supply 12 engines to Turkey.

We make AI-35 for the Turks. This is for a cruise missile. Now we have a contract signed for this engine

- said earlier the director of the enterprise Igor Kravchenko.

Regarding the Turkish missile under development, it is known that its characteristics will be comparable to the American Tomahawks, and will receive a modular design. The maximum range is declared at 1 kilometers.

According to the Ukrainian media, the AI-35 turbojet engine is designed for "drones and high-precision weapons." With a dry engine weight of 61 kg, it develops a maximum thrust of 310 kgf.

Also, a number of components ordered by Progress can be used in the production of MS-400 turbojet engines used in the Ukrainian cruise missile Neptune, which may indicate the possible start of production of this missile.
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  1. Finches
    Finches 21 December 2020 08: 40
    -14%
    100% fake! All that Ukraine can produce today from high-tech products is manure!
    1. Machito
      Machito 21 December 2020 08: 50
      +1
      I, too, however, hesitate. In recent years, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex has sagged and is unlikely to be able to make such high-tech products.
      1. 113262a
        113262a 21 December 2020 08: 59
        +10
        It's in vain! Motorsich, the last of the enterprises of the national economy, broke off cooperation with the Russian Federation. There are quite competent engineers, the Soviet school. Alas, they were not lucky, not KRYMNASH! Many are now traveling abroad!
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 21 December 2020 10: 44
          +27
          I don’t know if it’s fake or not, but it’s within the realm of possibility, for sure. The Ukrainians do not need to develop anything, they already have an analogue of the engine installed on our Calibers - the Soviet Р95-300. And if the Turks, as a result, will have a long arm, this will immediately lead them to the category of very serious opponents. Which is bad for us.
          1. Machito
            Machito 21 December 2020 14: 06
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            I don’t know if it’s fake or not, but it’s within the realm of possibility, for sure. The Ukrainians do not need to develop anything, they already have an analogue of the engine installed on our Calibers - the Soviet Р95-300. And if the Turks, as a result, will have a long arm, this will immediately lead them to the category of very serious opponents. Which is bad for us.

            It is clear that Motorsich still has a Soviet reserve in the production of engines, but if in Russia the Soviet reserve in many competencies has already been lost, then in Ukraine the situation is much worse.
            1. bayard
              bayard 21 December 2020 16: 27
              +8
              Quote: Bearded
              while in Russia the Soviet groundwork for many competences has already been lost, in Ukraine the situation is much worse.

              Only not in aircraft engine building. At the beginning of this year, a scandal erupted there - Motor-Sich supplied aircraft engines for three An-124s, engines for three Be-200s, and engines for three Mi-26 helicopters to Russia via bypass routes.
              Do you think these engines are more primitive than cruise missile engines? So they put their own engines on their "Neptune".
              Do not underestimate the enemy (the power of the former Ukraine is our enemy), but the fact that the Zaporozhye plant was the flagship of the Soviet aircraft engine building and one of the world flagships is an indisputable fact. Until very recently, all Russian helicopters flew exclusively on Zaporozhye engines.
              But the fact that now Ukraine will supply engines to Turkey ... and perhaps not only for the Kyrgyz Republic, but also for unmanned aerial vehicles ... And after all, they offer the Turks to build planes with them. Good planes are transport ...
              They did not return their lands to themselves in 2014, and now they are not only fighting against us (in the same Donbass), but also arming our enemies and strengthening geopolitical rivals.
              Another Kremlin's overthrow - "Crimea is ours", "Donbass is not ours", "New Russia is not ours."
              So do not hesitate - they will supply engines to Turkey ... But where will these missiles fly later?
              And to whom?
        2. orionvitt
          orionvitt 21 December 2020 11: 58
          +4
          Quote: 113262
          There are quite competent engineers, the Soviet school

          The Soviet school cannot be endless, thirty years have passed already. And if, before the Maidan, "Motor Sich" somehow managed to get out normally, then over the past six years, the personnel and production level has dropped dramatically. This is understandable, Maidans never benefit, especially in such high-tech areas as aircraft engine building, which are degrading in the first place. Another five years, and Motor Sich will no longer be able to produce even what has been established, but I generally keep quiet about new developments, they require strong monetary investments, which are not available at all.
          1. bayard
            bayard 21 December 2020 16: 38
            +5
            Quote: orionvitt
            Another five years, and Motor Sich will no longer be able to produce even what has been established, but I generally keep quiet about new developments, they require strong monetary investments, which are not at all

            Yes, it’s not sweet there without orders from Russia ... but it’s not easy for Russia without Zaporizhzhya engines - how many programs have stopped?
            And yet, yes - until recently, helicopter engines from Zaporozhye, albeit in a roundabout way, but a jamb went to Russia ... despite the war in Donbass.
            And Motor Sich will bend rather from the Chinese fines for a broken contract.
            And the fact that they are trying to find new partners wherever possible is just not surprising. And the Turks are interested not only in engines for missiles, but also for drones, and they also do not mind building Antonov planes ... And planes need engines.
            But do we need all this?
            1. Avior
              Avior 22 December 2020 00: 38
              +2
              And Motor Sich will bend rather from the Chinese fines for a broken contract.

              you misunderstand the problem a little
              there is no broken contract, and Motor Sich has been working with the Chinese on engines.
              The problem of the Motor itself does not concern at all.
              The Chinese paid money for the shares to the current owner of the plant, Boguslaev, made more investments, but the Antimonopoly Committee of Ukraine does not give permission to buy shares.
              For this reason, the Chinese have gathered to sue Ukraine as a state, although it is not clear where yet. This does not affect Motor Sich itself in any case, and this problem does not concern it in any way.
              1. bayard
                bayard 22 December 2020 01: 21
                +4
                Well, it means that the Ukrainian state will bend and will not be able to pay for repairs with remotorization of those several Ruslans ... and again, albeit indirectly, Motor Sich will suffer.
                And the plant itself is very good and for Russia it would be simply priceless ... But apparently not destiny.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 22 December 2020 07: 49
                  +1
                  To begin with, it's worth finding out where, in fact, the Chinese are going to file a claim. Because there is a lot of talk, but there is no lawsuit.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 22 December 2020 09: 47
                    +3
                    They need a factory.
                    And it is hopeless to file a lawsuit against the actions of the West in their jurisdiction. The Americans will push through their decision.
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 December 2020 12: 36
          +7
          Quote: 113262
          It's in vain! Motorsich, the last of the enterprises of the national economy, broke off cooperation with the Russian Federation. There are quite competent engineers, the Soviet school. Alas, they were not lucky, not KRYMNASH! Many are now traveling abroad!

          Uh-huh ... tore. And the engines for our airplanes and helicopters, over which Motor Sich is a monopolist, will condense out of a vacuum. Or they are taken from pre-sanction supplies (Boguslaev's favorite excuse). smile
          1. 113262a
            113262a 21 December 2020 12: 49
            0
            These are little things! There is no such exchange anymore. And the fact that Motorsich participated in the development of engines for cruise missiles is a fact!
          2. Avior
            Avior 22 December 2020 00: 39
            +1
            there are such persistent rumors about endless suppliessmile
        4. Shiva83483
          Shiva83483 21 December 2020 21: 19
          0
          The key word was ... but the declassification has not yet been canceled ...
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 21 December 2020 12: 55
        +7
        Quote: Bearded
        I, too, however, hesitate. In recent years, the Ukrainian military-industrial complex has sagged and is unlikely to be able to make such high-tech products.


        Stop listening to the propaganda that everything is dead for them ...
        Ivchenko-Progress - works in full.
      3. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 21 December 2020 15: 20
        +2
        Progress itself is unlikely to be able to, part of the work will have to be given to Motor. But the most important thing is the Washington Reich Chancellery. They are unlikely to allow the Turks to have such missiles.
        1. bayard
          bayard 21 December 2020 16: 40
          +2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          They are unlikely to allow the Turks to have such missiles.

          Actually, the American side participated in their development.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 21 December 2020 23: 49
            0
            Probably participated when Erdogan sat in the back seat exactly and did not jerk?))) Now a completely different alignment
            1. bayard
              bayard 22 December 2020 01: 06
              +2
              I don't think it will be that way - there will soon be a new president in the United States, and it may not be Trump at all (as long as he does not intend to leave the White House). And Erdogan can get along with the new president.
              Ukraine is a vassal of the United States.
              Ukraine needs attack drones.
              Without financial support from the United States, it can only take them in Turkey.
              Using attack drones, Turkey brazenly interferes with the zones of interests of Russia and the likelihood of a conflict is increasing.
              The United States punished Turkey for disobedience in a revealing manner.
              But they are not going to stop her and Ukraine from doing nasty things to Russia.
              The Turks are so overwhelmed with mediocre drones, what will happen if they have an effective CD?
              And how much difficulty will it bring to Russia?
              And for the United States, it won't cost anything at all.
    2. Graz
      Graz 21 December 2020 08: 58
      -12%
      and nevertheless, it seems to me that we need to adopt the Israeli experience in relation to Iranian scientists and apply it to Ukraine
      1. onstar9
        onstar9 22 December 2020 05: 45
        0
        Quote: Graz
        and nevertheless, it seems to me that we need to adopt the Israeli experience in relation to Iranian scientists and apply it to Ukraine

        Yes, Russian scientists are also not "immortal" ...
    3. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 09: 09
      +9
      The Turkish attack drone Akinci received the progressives Ai-450 in a modern special modification for light aircraft.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 21 December 2020 15: 21
        +1
        I received 6 pieces, but it is unlikely that more. Probably the mattress covers were in advance.
        1. bayard
          bayard 21 December 2020 16: 42
          +2
          Quote: TermNachTER
          I received 6 pieces, but it is unlikely that more. Probably the mattress covers were in advance.

          On the contrary, they intend to expand cooperation with Ukraine - the Turks give them drones, the Zaporozhian Cossacks give them engines.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 21 December 2020 18: 38
            +2
            If Canada and Europe have stopped supplying engines to the Turks, it is not to make Ukraine happy. yes
            And pushing Ukraine to sit and do nothing is not a question for the States at all.
            The history of countering China with Motorsich clearly showed this.
            The states did not just need to break our cooperation.
            They want it to be impossible to restore. Never.
            In short, it's a pity Motorsich. Competitors will finish it off. hi
            1. Avior
              Avior 22 December 2020 00: 48
              +1
              The states do not oppose Motor Sich's work with China. They work as they did.
              The only problem is the owner of Motor Sich shares, but this has nothing to do with the plant itself.
          2. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 21 December 2020 23: 47
            0
            Want is not harmful. But it's not Kuev who decides, but Washington.
            1. bayard
              bayard 22 December 2020 00: 52
              +1
              Washington also benefits from this - less spending on this terrarium, vassals are engaged in self-sufficiency for the sake of the war Washington needs. "Bayraktars" will appear among the Sumerians, you look and decide on the "final decision."
              The Turks, too, are not enemies to the Americans, just a rebellious vassal. They can change the president, they can direct this violent in the direction they need.
              Is it not beneficial for the United States and England that the Turks have climbed into the zone of interests of Russia?
              The interests of the Turks and the Kremlin intersected in Syria, Libya, Azerbaijan, Central Asia ... At the same time, Moscow is arming its rival, building a nuclear power plant for him, gas pipelines ... feigned discontent with Turkey.
              The Kremlin's plans are so cunning that they outsmarted themselves. And they are calculated by the enemy several moves ahead.
              That is why the “great chess player” loses game after game, loses position after position, and outside players no longer consider him a “grandmaster”.
              Considered a loser.
              And they are treated accordingly.
              And Washington and London are weaving a web of conspiracies, alliances and blocs around Russia. They encourage neighbors to seize the decrepit "monster" ... and now, for the neighbors Russia is no longer a mighty power, but an object of future expansion.
              This is what they think.
              This is how the Anglo-Saxons instill in them.
              And Turkey and Ukraine are one of the participants in the game of the Anglo-Saxons.
              So why break such a slim plan?
              Ukraine will receive drones and corvettes from the Turks, and supply them with engines, including marine ones.
              Moreover, Turkey has been eating more and more with Iran lately.
              1. OgnennyiKotik
                OgnennyiKotik 22 December 2020 01: 07
                -1
                Quote: bayard
                Is it not beneficial for the United States and England that the Turks have climbed into the zone of interests of Russia?

                Not just profitable. England directly and openly supports the Turks in all disputes. Openly recognizing her as his ally. It is more difficult with the USA there are a lot of centers of influence. But there is no hard conflict at all, so slight misunderstanding.
                1. bayard
                  bayard 22 December 2020 01: 33
                  +1
                  This means that Ukraine will receive corvettes and "Bayraktars" and supply the engines to the Turks.
                  For this is in the interests of the Anglo-Saxons.
                  1. OgnennyiKotik
                    OgnennyiKotik 22 December 2020 01: 50
                    -2
                    Quote: bayard
                    This means that Ukraine will receive both corvettes and "Bayraktars",

                    Without a doubt.
                    Quote: bayard
                    the engines will supply the Turks.

                    Ukrainians want TB-2S, there is already a Turkish engine there.
                    1. bayard
                      bayard 22 December 2020 01: 53
                      +2
                      For future Turkish frigates can.
                      1. OgnennyiKotik
                        OgnennyiKotik 22 December 2020 02: 01
                        -2
                        The Turks need, first of all, various jet engines. For turbojet UAVs, training aircraft, space programs, short and medium-range missiles, etc., etc. That is why there is such an interest in Ukraine and Motor Sich. They can provide all this.
                        With England, they are making a 5th generation TF-X fighter, and they are expecting the F35 from the USA (B version in priority). There are many painful points, they will negotiate.
        2. Avior
          Avior 21 December 2020 20: 39
          +1
          Yes, someone here has already promoted this invention.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 December 2020 09: 33
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      100% fake! All that Ukraine can produce today from high-tech products is manure!

      I don't know how it is now, but during the Soviet era, it was a very serious undertaking.
    5. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 21 December 2020 10: 04
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      100% fake! All that Ukraine can produce today from high-tech products is manure!


      I don’t think this is a fake. After all, Motor Sich production in Ukraine has survived. I wonder what Israel will say to this? Turkey was denied the F-35 by its efforts. Will it press the Ukrainian partners properly so that they don’t think to help Turkey or not?
      According to the portal defence-blog.com, the AI-35 turbojet engines are designed to equip advanced cruise missiles that Turkey is developing under the Gezgin program. The new missiles should have a range of about 1000 km and will be in many ways similar to the American Tomahawk.

      https://warspot.ru/18158-ukraina-postavit-dvigateli-dlya-turetskih-tomagavkov
    6. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 21 December 2020 10: 17
      +6
      Quote: Finches
      100% fake! All that Ukraine can produce today from high-tech products is manure!

      Underestimating opponents is extremely short-sighted.
    7. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 21 December 2020 12: 50
      +5
      Quote: Finches
      100% fake!

      SE "Ivchenko-Progress"
      The company's net income from product sales in 2019 amounted to UAH 1,292 116 billion. compared to UAH 369,347 million. in 2014
    8. 210ox
      210ox 21 December 2020 19: 36
      0
      Colleague, you are wrong. The Soviet groundwork can be used there for more than a dozen years.
    9. d.zhuk2010
      d.zhuk2010 21 December 2020 22: 48
      0
      Alas, we have been revolving around this project for a year now. They are even ready to hack to death the future of the D-18 and even stop all types of repairs for Volga-Dnepr at the design bureau's facilities.
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 21 December 2020 08: 40
    -6
    How so? After all, the military-industrial complex of Dill was buried together? !!! Ah ... I understand ... They are again taking off something old from something, repainting and pushing stupid Turks like new ...
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      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 21 December 2020 10: 18
        +8
        Quote: Insurgent
        It is not even surprising that it is the Leader who will act as a lawyer for the puppies.

        Don't underestimate them. This can lead to bad consequences.
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 21 December 2020 09: 01
      +8
      After all, the military-industrial complex of Dill was buried together? !!! A..


      Let them fulfill the contract first, and then we can discuss: in vain or not in vain they buried space, with the Brazilians, aviation was also announced with the Peruvians, and you know the result!
    3. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 09: 10
      +1
      It won't work with the old one, the engine was only recently developed :))
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 December 2020 09: 37
        +3
        Quote: Avior
        It won't work with the old one, the engine was only recently developed :))

        Yes, the engine must not be bad, the school of the engine building remained. Only these engines will fall into the wrong hands.
    4. KCA
      KCA 21 December 2020 09: 25
      -6
      Promising does not mean getting married, how many contracts have 404 already failed? Tanks, armored personnel carriers, and you can't remember everything
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 21 December 2020 12: 57
        0
        Quote: KCA
        Promising does not mean getting married, how many contracts have 404 already failed? Tanks, armored personnel carriers, and you can't remember everything


        What does this have to do with aircraft engines?

        Aircraft engine contracts - they completed everything on time without any complaints.
    5. Volder
      Volder 21 December 2020 10: 31
      +2
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      They again remove the old from something, repaint it and push it to the stupid Turks like new ...
      In many media outlets, including on this site, a scandal thundered that Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with defective machine guns (see the news on "VO" from 14.12.2020/90/XNUMX). XNUMX% of rejects (repainted barrels) are no joke! It can be stated that the production of defective military products in Ukraine is acquiring enormous proportions.
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 21 December 2020 08: 42
    +4
    Khan to Turkish cruise missiles, if engines are supplied from Ukraine.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 09: 17
      +9
      The most interesting thing is that in Ukraine there are exactly the same conversations about us, about everything laughing moreover, they firmly believe that without them we cannot do anything new
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 21 December 2020 09: 28
        +2
        Quote: El Chuvachino
        in Ukraine there are exactly the same conversations about us, about everything moreover, they firmly believe that without them we cannot do anything new

        So everything so that they do not run to Russia!
      2. syndicalist
        syndicalist 21 December 2020 13: 13
        +1
        Brotherly people - you will not open yourself
  4. Avior
    Avior 21 December 2020 08: 44
    +9
    Ai-35 is an initiative development of the Zaporizhzhya Progress 2016.
    And about the distant CD ...
    So much for the Turks!
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 December 2020 09: 41
      +4
      Yes. Will make a CD. And they will arm both ships and diesel-electric submarines and aircraft. 1000 km in their region will do for most purposes.
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 December 2020 09: 52
        +4
        The Turks will, for example, have complete control of the Black Sea and its coastal zones.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 December 2020 10: 34
          +1
          And the Mediterranean Sea Yes. And, if I'm not confused, this rocket can be hung on the F-16
          1. Avior
            Avior 22 December 2020 00: 55
            +4
            Actually, I think this is a long-standing Turkish SOM - it is just in the screensaver in the photo - with an increased flight range.
            In fact, this is not a close analogue of the Tomahawk, but of the American AGM-158C LRASM - a long-range unobtrusive with an IR matrix in the seeker.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 22 December 2020 08: 13
              0
              Analogue of Popeye and Super Popeye.
              1. Avior
                Avior 22 December 2020 08: 32
                +1
                Or American JASSM and JASSM-ER, on the basis of which Lrasm was made.
        2. onstar9
          onstar9 22 December 2020 05: 57
          0
          Quote: Avior
          The Turks will, for example, have complete control of the Black Sea and its coastal zones.

          I do not understand the meaning of the expression "full control" .... They will issue tickets for the passage through the Black Sea, or what? In general, how is it possible in our time to do some kind of "control" on the seas? China over there seems to want to control the South China Sea. What it is? Who does he want to let in, who he doesn’t want to let in, so what? Well then, other countries will also "control" the seas around them and will let the Chinese "pass through" ... What will China, Turkey or other countries gain from this, when everyone wants to develop international trade with might and main and "remove all barriers"? What hi will be, so is the answer ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 22 December 2020 07: 47
            +1
            In this case, the only entrance to the Black Sea passes through the territory of Turkey, but this is not a typical case, of course.
            I think it's just that the term control is now very widely interpreted.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 December 2020 08: 46
    -2
    In 2021, Ukraine should supply Turkey with 12 engines.
    belay Already! .... And sho is so little, the Turks are dumb pennies? And I understand, I understand ..... Trust, but check. Quality and quantity. repeat
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 08: 57
      +5
      They're just starting to fire rockets like this
    2. Pavlos Melas
      Pavlos Melas 21 December 2020 12: 06
      0
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      In 2021, Ukraine should supply Turkey with 12 engines.
      belay Already! .... And sho is so little, the Turks are dumb pennies? And I understand, I understand ..... Trust, but check. Quality and quantity. repeat

      Turks are likely to follow the Chinese path and try to copy hi
      1. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 December 2020 15: 43
        +1
        Quote: Pavlos Melas
        Turks are likely to follow the Chinese path and try to copy

        To copy in Chinese, you need to have Chinese hands.
        1. Pavlos Melas
          Pavlos Melas 21 December 2020 19: 10
          +1
          To copy in Chinese, you need to have Chinese hands.

          I am not a Turkophile, but the Turks should not be underestimated, they are aimed at achievements. They will try, but it will work out or not, that's another question.
      2. Avior
        Avior 21 December 2020 20: 42
        +1
        What to copy then?
  6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 December 2020 08: 47
    -3
    Now the Americans will say as: "Sha, bunks, I'll tear your mouth!"
    And-and-and ... that's it.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 21 December 2020 09: 07
      +5
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Now the Americans will say as: "Sha, bunks, I'll tear your mouth!"
      And-and-and ... that's it.

      Who knows ... Basically, the Americans do not care that Turkey will have any long-range missile defense systems. They do not threaten them.

      But Russia ...
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 21 December 2020 09: 41
        0
        Americans also do not care about Bayraktar, but Canada, Altai, but Germany. And they personally cut Turkish T129 helicopters for Pakistan.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 December 2020 09: 41
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        But Russia ...

        Yes, and I mean that.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 December 2020 09: 43
      0
      Well, the US can push. As with China and the Russian Federation on TV3117. Sanctions were imposed on the Turks. MTU refuses to supply tank diesels. for UAVs, the supply of internal combustion engines is also stopped. Why are Ukrainians better?
      1. Avior
        Avior 21 December 2020 10: 01
        +2
        Ukraine supplies AI-450s for the Turkish attack UAV Bayraktar Akıncı.
        As with China and the Russian Federation on TV3117

        I have not heard anything about the pressure of the States on this issue.
        In Russia, with the help of Ukraine, the production of the TV3-117 (VK2500) version for the Mi-28 and Ka-50 was launched, which was also adapted for other helicopters, China did not purchase for new TV3-117 helicopters, as far as I know. Maybe he missed something ...
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 21 December 2020 10: 33
          +2
          China wanted to buy Motorsich itself. I mean it.
          1. Avior
            Avior 21 December 2020 11: 57
            +3
            There are many nuances without Americans
            But the States did not and does not interfere with the supply of engines to China from Motor Sich.
        2. KCA
          KCA 21 December 2020 13: 14
          0
          Interestingly, the girls are dancing, and how Ukraine helped to establish the production of TV3-117 (VK2500) if the developer of both engines was "Klimov"? What secrets could the heroic Ukrainian engineers discover without fear of being accused of treason?
          1. Avior
            Avior 21 December 2020 14: 00
            +3
            Design development and production technology are two different things.
            And the Motor has been producing these engines since their inception.
            The production of VK2500 in St. Petersburg in the first batches from the beginning of the 2000s began with a screwdriver assembly from kits that were sent by Motor Sich.
            1. KCA
              KCA 21 December 2020 14: 44
              -1
              Strange, the Internet says that "Klimov" completely rejected cooperation with Motor Sich
              1. Avior
                Avior 21 December 2020 15: 24
                +2
                Motor Sich helicopter engines are a product with a stable sales market, the bulk of which is in the Russian Federation. Zaporozhye engines are equipped with new Mi-26, military Mi-28Н, Mi-35, Ka-32А11ВС, Ka-31 and military transport Mi-8 (Mi-17). Motor Sich produces engines not only independently, but also ships engines of VK-2500 and TB3-117 types of various modifications to the Russian enterprises, as well as D-136.

                https://fea.ru/news/5907
                UEC is stepping up production of VK-2500 from Russian components in an attempt to avoid using Ukrainian components. Rostec explained that last year Klimov fully met the needs of Russian military customers. The corporation claims that vehicle kits from Ukraine are still used to produce engines for civilian helicopters and aircraft manufactured for export. At the same time, the Kommersant newspaper writes that the suspension of engine supplies from Ukraine was one of the reasons why Russian Helicopters cut production last year.

                http://www.ato.ru/content/vypusk-dvigateley-vk-2500-iz-rossiyskih-komplektuyushchih-vyros-v-shest-raz
                Almost all helicopters mass-produced in Russia, with the exception of the small-scale Mi-26 and Ansat, are equipped with either Motor Sich engines or assembled in Russia at Klimov OJSC using Zaporozhye vehicle sets with VK-2500 engines, which are a modification of TV3- 117, says the manager of one of the companies in the helicopter industry. At the same time, back in 2005, a joint decision was made by the Air Force and enterprises of the helicopter and aircraft engine industry to deploy a full-scale, rather than assembly, production of exactly the same engine in Russia at the Moscow plant named after Chernyshev since 2007. Design documentation for this engine is possessed by OJSC Klimov ”.

                http://www.ukrrudprom.com/digest/Nezamenimie_motori.html

                “It is important to note that until 2014 TV3-117 engines at Klimov were assembled using Ukrainian components. The degree of Russian localization was only 10%,” says Alexei Rodionov, UEC Klimov production director.

                https://www.aviaport.ru/digest/2020/09/18/653429.html
  7. Tagan
    Tagan 21 December 2020 08: 48
    +5
    I wonder how fertile Ukraine has become in the post-Maid period! A little nuance. Prolific in her intentions.
  8. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 December 2020 08: 51
    +3
    Ukraine will supply Turkey with turbojet engines for cruise missiles. Zaporozhye Machine-Building Design Bureau "Progress" named after Academician A. G. Ivchenko signed a number of contracts for the supply of components for the Ay-35 and MS-400 turbojet engines.


    What would an academician, general designer, laureate of the Lenin and Stalin prizes, member of the CPSU (b) since 1924, Alexander Georgievich Ivchenko say?
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 09: 04
      +9
      I think about the same as Valentin Petrovich Glushko about the supply of rocket engines to the Americans.: ((
  9. Doccor18
    Doccor18 21 December 2020 08: 57
    +3
    Ukraine to supply Turkey with engines for cruise missiles

    This is such a cunning plan of ours, to reduce the defense capability of the Sultan's armed forces ...
  10. Tagan
    Tagan 21 December 2020 08: 58
    +7
    Quote: Egoza
    Khan to Turkish cruise missiles, if engines are supplied from Ukraine.

    Guys from boredom of all trades. They not so long ago "helped" someone with the restoration of aircraft, turning them into substandard. If memory serves, Bulgarian "brothers".
  11. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 21 December 2020 09: 21
    -3
    More than once the Outskirts "throws" customers, well, who wants to be deceived, but let them ... yes
  12. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 21 December 2020 09: 25
    +16
    It's funny to you.
    But I don't understand what's funny.
    Does the plant work in Ukraine? Works.
    Did KB make a new engine? Did.
    Have you agreed with the Turks to make a new long-range missile? Agreed.
    Do Turks know how to make rockets? They know how.
    Why do they need rockets? Who to fight against?
    Yes, they are both already fighting against us.
    Where to laugh?
  13. Jünger
    Jünger 21 December 2020 09: 25
    +4
    Here it is - a vivid example of friendship between peoples
  14. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 December 2020 09: 30
    -12%
    Even producing dung costs money, and making rocket engines costs a lot of money. So here the Banderlog got into a mess.
  15. Kuz
    Kuz 21 December 2020 09: 31
    +18
    In 2014, they managed with half measures. Now we are reaping the benefits ...
  16. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 December 2020 09: 47
    -1
    The union of coal and steel was transformed into a union of batteries and hydrogen. laughing
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 21 December 2020 09: 52
    -5
    They used to produce, but how and what they will be able to produce now is a question.
  18. Rubi0
    Rubi0 21 December 2020 09: 52
    -1
    It remains to hope for the USA that they will start, as with China and motor vehicles, to put sticks in the wheels.
  19. Volder
    Volder 21 December 2020 10: 26
    -5
    It is not enough for the Turks to have a scandal with defective machine guns ordered from Ukraine. There has not yet been a single case that Ukrainian developers and / or production workers did not screw up the creation of new weapons.
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2020 10: 35
    0
    Something in recent years, a lot of loud statements from Ukraine about cooperation and cooperation with various countries. What's the bottom line? Statements are pouring in from a cornucopia with a desire to at least in words assert itself as a "great" power. The other day Zelensky gave out to American journalists: "Ukraine is a great space power, like you ..." Okay, he called it "great space", so he also put the Americans in second place. Aircraft engines certainly knew how to do and do well, but when it was. Let's see how the next Ukrainian project will end now with Turkey.
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 11: 21
      +1
      Tomorrow, according to the plan, launch at Polyakov's, if not postponed.
      We will see
  21. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 December 2020 10: 47
    +1
      “In particular, representatives of Motor Sich JSC have worked out an issue with the Belarusian defense industry about the deployment of new production facilities at the Orsha Aircraft Repair Plant for the production of small-sized gas turbine engines for cruise missiles. The production of gas turbine engines is a complex and knowledge-intensive production. But the Belarusian colleagues assured the Ukrainian defense industry that the aircraft repair plant has the appropriate opportunities to establish such production. At the same time, after the deployment of the corresponding production line, Belarus can start producing motors at the plant in Orsha as early as 2016. It's time to call on the carpet and set the brains of the Bohavector. laughing
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 11: 19
      +2
      Not worth it anymore.
      He himself had already quarreled with Boguslaev.
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 21 December 2020 12: 39
        +5
        Quote: Avior
        Not worth it anymore.
        He himself had already quarreled with Boguslaev.

        This is when Boguslaev fled from Orsha, leaving his plane at the airfield?
        Yes, Old Man is a master at slaughtering hens that lay the golden eggs - and even before the first clutch. sad
        1. Avior
          Avior 21 December 2020 14: 04
          +4
          Exactly. Boguslaev really wanted to open a production in Belarus, but as a result of communication with the dad, you can forget about this forever, at least while dad is at the helm.
          So to nip in the embryo high-tech production in the country, as Lukashenka did, you need to be able to ...
  22. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 21 December 2020 10: 51
    -1
    Yeah. So are the Turks going to bomb Florida? Looks like Gulen has dug in there. wassat In fact, they already figured out that they took footage from the Russian 2007 year into the Turkish cartoon laughing
  23. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 21 December 2020 11: 12
    +1
    dangerous cooperation ... for sure for a batch of engines, the former Ukrainian SSR will ask for several missiles for itself what
  24. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 21 December 2020 11: 15
    -6
    if it's true, good news is missiles that won't fly)
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 21 December 2020 13: 02
      +2
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      if it's true, good news is missiles that won't fly)


      All Russian cruise missiles with turbojet engines were made in Zaporozhye.
      This plant has never stopped.

      And he hasn't stopped for the last 10 years either.
      There is plenty of work for him around the world ...

      So everything will fly.

      And engines with no analogs in the world "Calibers" - just from Zaporozhye.
      1. Yaro Polk
        Yaro Polk 21 December 2020 13: 43
        -4
        these are your wet dreams
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  25. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 21 December 2020 15: 30
    -3
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Does the plant work in Ukraine? Works.
    Did KB make a new engine? Did.
    Have you agreed with the Turks to make a new long-range missile? Agreed.

    Of your three assumptions, the third is probably true, the other two are unlikely. From Mr. and sticks, home-builders can even build a unique tank "dung", but only for the production of the engine technology and high quality metals are needed. Only "dung" can be made on enthusiasm alone.
  26. sgr291158
    sgr291158 21 December 2020 15: 43
    0
    Whether only a rocket with this engine will fly. And although they do not care, if only to sign a contract.
  27. Azimuth
    Azimuth 21 December 2020 17: 39
    +1
    The Turks were very much burned on their Western "partners". As a result, more than half of the national defense projects were left in the air.
    So now they will not only seek cooperation with the Ukrainians, but also borrow Soviet technologies and the latter from cooperation with us, and localize everything at home. Even in the case of these engines, they will most likely buy a batch for testing and further either joint production or copying. There are still a lot of technologies in Ukraine that are not outdated and attractive to the Turks; they will collect and clean up everything that the Chinese did not have time or could not.
    We are discussing a rocket engine, but they also need an aircraft engine, a tank diesel engine, a transmission, etc.
    There is something to profit from in Ukraine, the question is how picky the Ukrainians will be, if, as before, they will give everything for a pittance, taking a "chubby package" from above and depriving themselves of another market and opportunities.
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 20: 57
      +1
      What for a song was given?
      Of the major commercial failures of Motor Sich in recent years, this is only assistance in the production of VK2500 in Russia, but it is debatable whether there were other options there.
  28. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 21 December 2020 18: 54
    -2
    Quote: Azimuth
    The Turks were very much burned on their Western "partners". As a result, more than half of the national defense projects were left in the air.
    So now they will not only seek cooperation with the Ukrainians, but also borrow Soviet technologies and the latter from cooperation with us, and localize everything at home. Even in the case of these engines, they will most likely buy a batch for testing and further either joint production or copying. There are still a lot of technologies in Ukraine that are not outdated and attractive to the Turks; they will collect and clean up everything that the Chinese did not have time or could not.
    We are discussing a rocket engine, but they also need an aircraft engine, a tank diesel engine, a transmission, etc.
    There is something to profit from in Ukraine, the question is how picky the Ukrainians will be, if, as before, they will give everything for a pittance, taking a "chubby package" from above and depriving themselves of another market and opportunities.

    the Turks have nothing to catch in the post-Soviet space, in the 90s everything was already merged with NATO, so this whole article is rubbish
  29. Alex russia
    Alex russia 27 December 2020 23: 59
    -1
    Uncle Sam will not allow, + as a bonus, it will freeze the supply of key guidance systems, electronics, without which it will not be a rocket but a model. Turkey can always turn to Russia, we will sell our own mother for the loot