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In Poland: Sweden's new submarine development strategy could leave us without their submarines

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In Poland: Sweden's new submarine development strategy could leave us without their submarines

A few days ago, the Swedish parliament adopted a new security strategy, in which the need to increase the composition of the underwater fleet countries. Let us remind that the new strategy, which was approved by the Swedish parliamentarians, is connected with the statements of the representatives of the military department about "threats emanating from the Russian side." The Swedish Minister of Defense not so long ago said at all that the likelihood of an armed conflict in the region cannot be ruled out.


It is noteworthy that the new Swedish security strategy is being discussed very actively in Poland. In particular, it is said that if Sweden is going to increase the numerical strength of its submarine fleet, then Poland loses the chances of receiving Swedish second-hand (used “used” - operation) submarines:

The new strategy for the development of the Swedish submarine fleet may leave us without their submarines.

Here we need to specify what the new security strategy of the Swedish kingdom consists of. The document says that in the period until 2025, the number of military personnel is planned to increase from 60 thousand to 90 thousand people. At the same time, the renewed conscription will be doubled - from 4 thousand to 8 thousand per year. Military spending will rise to 1,5% of GDP. It is planned to modernize five Visby class corvettes and form a new airborne battalion.

It is proposed to keep the submarine squadron with an increase in the number of submarines from four to five. Maintenance of the Gotland-class submarine is planned. Two new Blekinge class submarines will replace the Södermanland class submarine.

Used submarines will not be withdrawn from the Swedish Navy until they are replaced by new ones, and some will remain in the fleet after receiving new submarines.

Poland was counting on submarines used by the Swedish Navy, which is why the recently adopted document indicating the development of the Swedish submarine forces upsets the Polish Ministry of Defense and military experts.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 21 December 2020 07: 32
    +3
    Poland is losing its chances of getting Swedish second-hand (used) submarines:
    Lord, they are already guilty before him ... Why do you, gentlemen, do not want to build them at home? You, in the days of CMEA, had the most powerful shipyards, over there we still have warships in service you then built. That they have lost, have profited their wealth, and now everyone around is guilty ...
    1. Finches
      Finches 21 December 2020 07: 38
      +4
      The Swedes can still dig up the ashes of Cala XII - it can help morally in the fight against Russia, as for Poland - it is surprising that this economic industrial giant of the EU (according to our God's chosen comrades) buys Swedish second-hand! laughing
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 21 December 2020 07: 42
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        As for Poland, it is surprising that this economic industrial giant of the EU (according to the version of our God-chosen comrades) is buying Swedish second-hand!

        I'm not surprised! Remember how they came to us "at the end of the 20th century" and bought everything. Shovel everything, right down to the toothpaste. And the EU at first pampered them, so they thought that there will always be a freebie! you better imagine how upset in Ukraine. Since the Poles are not given, then nothing shines for us at all.
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 December 2020 08: 38
          0
          And what do the Poles have in their realities today, Nothing! Coal deposits, if only! All other well-being is paid from the pocket of Brussels!
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 21 December 2020 18: 27
            0
            And now Russia has taken away the decommissioned boats. Zrada! laughing
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 December 2020 09: 47
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      Quote: svp67
      You, at the time of CMEA, had the most powerful shipyards

      So what? The Poles have never built a submarine. French, Dutch, German, Soviet - yes, they were, but they never had the experience of building their own boats.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 December 2020 10: 07
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        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        The Poles have never built a submarine. French, Dutch, German, Soviet - yes, they were, but they never had the experience of building their own boats.

        Did they try to do it?
        In Poland there is the largest shipyard in Gdansk, JSC "Shipyard Gdansk", although since 2013 it has been owned by some Ukrainian company owned by Serhiy Taruta and Oleg Mktrchan. Currently, the shipyard builds dry cargo ships, timber carriers and trawlers, as well as vessels for servicing oil and gas production, including for Russia. Gdynia and Szczecin shipyards in Poland are not working today.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 December 2020 10: 35
          +1
          Quote: svp67
          Did they try to do it?

          and the fig? Although on the Shikhau-Werke they inherited after the war, the Germans during WWII, it seems, built "sevens", seehund and even laid the 21st series. Something on the order of about a hundred u-bots in Danzig was built for the Kriegsmarine. But this did not suit the Poles.
      2. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 21 December 2020 12: 53
        0
        when no one was building a submarine, but they began to build. The question is necessary - it is necessary - then we will build
    3. Alexander I
      Alexander I 21 December 2020 10: 47
      0
      The USSR was the largest buyer of products from the Polish shipyards, now we are their enemies, and our current friends do not want to buy, this is the result of the joy from the used things made by the Swedes.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 December 2020 12: 10
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        Quote: AlexanderI
        The USSR was the largest buyer of products from the Polish shipyard

        what does it have to do with it? We are talking about submarines, but here it is exactly the opposite - in a little over 30 years, six babies, four 613 Ave., two 641 Ave. and one 877E halibut at the end of the Union - all Krasnoe Sormovo and Leningrad.
      2. white.eagle
        white.eagle 21 December 2020 12: 28
        +1
        current friends don't want to buy ... https://topwar.ru/157004-v-polshe-spustili-na-vodu-korabl-razvedki-dlja-vms-shvecii.html
        1. Alexander I
          Alexander I 21 December 2020 14: 19
          0
          Only before they built about 30 ships a year, but now?
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 07: 35
    +2
    I'm even afraid to imagine how the Swedes will sound in Polish. )))
  3. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 21 December 2020 07: 39
    -2
    Joy, and nothing more from the fact that there is bickering on all fronts. Spiders in the bank, so what "... Poland counted on submarines used by the Swedish Navy ...:- the most "bunch". Humiliation and condescension were not appreciated from them, you can whine from the kennel. laughing
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 21 December 2020 09: 10
      0
      Used submarines will not be withdrawn from the Swedish Navy until they are replaced by new ones, and some will remain in the fleet after receiving new submarines.
      Yes, okay, they'll get theirs ... and they'll get the boats too. Only sometime ... then ... and much more familiar.
  4. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 21 December 2020 07: 56
    +1
    Do not open your mouth to another loaf.
    You need to sing less, but have your own.
    Work is not a wolf ... but no. This is not necessary (s)

    When you hope for "uncle" there are unpleasant surprises.
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2020 08: 23
    0
    Have the Poles survived, for this it was necessary to join NATO in order to drag "pants" for the Swedes? Under the VD they built warships themselves, but now they are happy about the rags
  6. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 21 December 2020 08: 37
    0
    Interestingly, where to sail, the Poles gathered on these scraps. To Ukraine across the steppes for bacon?
    1. Avior
      Avior 21 December 2020 08: 49
      +3
      Ek you casually about the Gotlands.
      This is such "junk" that in Russia, despite repeated efforts, they still cannot create it.
      And for the Poles in the Baltic, the presence of these boats would create a rather serious threat to the Baltic Fleet.
      And you are "junk": (((.....
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 21 December 2020 09: 24
        0
        Poultices won't help. The doctor said to the morgue - then to the morgue.
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 21 December 2020 09: 11
      -1
      I wonder where to sail, the Poles gathered on these scraps
      How is it where ??? From may to may of course wassat
  7. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 21 December 2020 08: 45
    0
    Previously, the pshek were thrown bones with meat, it was satisfying.
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 December 2020 08: 50
    0
    Poland was counting on submarines used by the Swedish Navy,
    By herself, by herself, by herself! ... repeat
  9. sergo1914
    sergo1914 21 December 2020 09: 01
    -2
    With all the Swedish tolerance ... Introduced the crew of a Swedish submarine ... What the hell is going on there after a dive ...
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 21 December 2020 09: 24
      -1
      And detail. hi
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  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 December 2020 09: 23
    -4
    Lyakhi, don't worry, I'll teach you how to make paper boats. You don't care what fun wassat
  11. Kuz
    Kuz 21 December 2020 09: 36
    +11
    Every man for himself. Swedes don't think about the Poles.
  12. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 21 December 2020 09: 49
    0
    The coolest thing about this news is that, according to rumors from the Swedish press, the Swedes are going to buy one diesel-electric submarine with the proceeds from the sale of two 30-year-old boats ... at Singapore!
  13. Constanty
    Constanty 21 December 2020 10: 00
    +1
    Poland has been operating its best submarine, the ORP "Orzeł" type project 877 "Warszawianka", for over 30 years (although this may be too many, because this ship has been in decline for many years due to the idleness of shipbuilders and authorities and is devoid of combat capability), 18 years on it were ships of the class "Kobben" - who is 55 years old !!!

    This time is enough to order and build new ships during this time.
    However, if you rely only on "demobil" and donations, we have what we have.
    To be honest, we are seeing the end of the almost 90-year tradition of submarines in the Polish Navy.

    Unfortunately, the specifics of the Navy, the duration of the design and construction process exceeds one term of office of politicians, as well as their horizons, so everyone saved money at PMW or multiple changes to the plan and curiosities like building a corvette hull without weapons in 17 years at the expense of a frigate !!! am

    Unfortunately my country is a strange country :-(
  14. lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 21 December 2020 18: 48
    -2
    It has long been said that there are few countries that can create candy from scratch !!! Poland is not one of them ...)))
    ps because of her a lot of stink and ..vna
  15. onstar9
    onstar9 22 December 2020 04: 06
    0
    Well, building your own submarines is tricky. If there was no history and experience of creating such boats in the country, then "took and made" will not work. Therefore, there is no need to "run into" Poland. Here is Taiwan, a much more technologically advanced country compared to Poland, and now to start building their own boats (to fend off a possible landing from China), asked for documentation and technology in the United States ... These are the things. Another thing is interesting. Sweden, with a population of 10 million. maybe more than Taiwan (24 million people) and more than Poland (40 million people) ... In short, the talent of people ... you can't take away ...