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"Why didn't the US destroy an equal number of their aircraft?" - Chinese press about cutting the Tu-160 in the 90s

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"Why didn't the US destroy an equal number of their aircraft?" - Chinese press about cutting the Tu-160 in the 90s

The Chinese news outlet Sina decided to remind its readers of what an agreement with the United States of America could cost. In particular, there is a fragment of a speech by Russian President Vladimir Putin during a press conference, where Putin reminded a Western journalist of the promises made by the West in due time not to expand NATO. But NATO, as you know, has expanded, already coming close to the borders of the Russian Federation.


The Chinese edition also reminds of how the CIS countries and the United States agreed on strategic forces. In particular, we are talking about the destruction of several supersonic strategic bombers Tu-160 in Ukraine in the 90s. The Chinese press notes that 19 Tu-160 aircraft were on Ukrainian territory at the time of the collapse of the Soviet Union. Some of the "White Swans" were sent to Russia as debt for energy supplies, and some were destroyed in front of American observers - demonstratively.

From Sina material:

On the Internet you can find those photos in which the excavator literally cuts the "neck" of the Tu-160 "White Swan" with its bucket, turning the advanced Soviet technologies into a heap of metal. Then many in Russia, primarily the military, experienced bitter feelings.

It is noteworthy that the material of the Chinese publication does not mention how they felt, committing the destruction of strategic aircraft in Ukraine. But then in Ukraine, many pilots literally cried.

At the same time, the Chinese media adds that if it was about the destruction of strategic bombers (Nunn-Lugar program) inherited from the USSR, then why did the United States not destroy an equal number of its aircraft of a similar class? The fact that the United States did nothing of the kind with its aviation, says, as they write in the Chinese media, that an equal partnership with the United States is hardly possible by definition.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 21 December 2020 07: 00
    +37
    Why didn't the US destroy an equal number of its planes?
    you can not play with a sharper, you will lose.
    1. Machito
      Machito 21 December 2020 07: 12
      +52
      The United States is more likely to be called a gangster who will never disarm and hide weapons to shoot in the back. Honesty is not held in high esteem in the United States.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 21 December 2020 07: 23
        +17
        Quote: Bearded
        Honesty is not held in high esteem in the United States.

        Especially in international affairs
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 21 December 2020 09: 16
          +8
          Why didn't the US destroy an equal number of its planes?

          Because the United States did not even think to destroy its planes in principle! Namely.

          In 1989, at a meeting between Bush Sr. and Gorbachev in Malta, Gorbachev agreed with the UNOFFICIAL (i.e. without signing any documents) CAPITULATION of the USSR before the USA in the Cold War of 1945-1991. The condition on the part of the United States of the voluntary CAPITULATION of the USSR by Gorbachev was the reunification of Germany, the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, the disarmament of the USSR and the dissolution of the USSR. What Gorbachev later did was done under Bush's verbal promise to Gorbaty not to expand NATO.

          But The LOSING side in the war cannot dictate its terms to the WINNING country !!! But the WINNER can change his conditions for the WINNER at his discretion.
          Therefore, Washington wanted to spit on the USSR that lost the Cold War and its disintegrated remnants.

          Unfortunately, many defeated Russians still think that the USSR collapsed on its own. However, the West knows very well who they fought in the Cold War and whom they won. Cold War Victory Medals have been issued in the United States and Great Britain.

          Western medals for the victory in the Cold War over the USSR (Educational TV, Artyom Voitenkov) • 6 Feb. Dec 2019
          1. Kuz
            Kuz 21 December 2020 09: 45
            +25
            Quote: Tatiana
            The USA did not even think to destroy their planes

            Our weakling made decisions. Why would they do something?
            1. ROMANO
              ROMANO 22 December 2020 22: 42
              0
              Quote: Kuz
              Our weakling made decisions.


              Seryoga is not just a "weakling", but a traitor and a political prostitute.
          2. frruc
            frruc 21 December 2020 10: 45
            +3
            I would like to think that the results of the Cold War turned out to be a "cold shower" for the leadership and people of the country.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 21 December 2020 11: 36
              +10
              Quote: frruc
              I would like to think that the results of the Cold War turned out to be a "cold shower" for the leadership and people of the country.

              If the results of the Cold War turned out to be a "cold shower" for the country's leadership, Medvedev would not have awarded Gorbatyy with the highest Order of the Russian Federation - the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called.

              Medvedev and Gorbachev summer 2011


              How did Gorbachev betray the USSR and sell his homeland? [Mikhail Soviet]
              1. Tatyana
                Tatyana 21 December 2020 13: 47
                +5
                But the colonial consequences for the Russian Federation as a result of the USSR's loss to the United States of America in the Cold War were more than 2 times more catastrophic than in the Hot War of the USSR during the Second World War.

                Aftermath of the COLD WAR • 9 Jan. November 2019, XNUMX
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 21 December 2020 19: 29
                  +8
                  I have not seen how the "white swans" cut. And here's how the Tu-22M3 Backfires happened. And then how the shredded pieces were transported on railway platforms. Yes, my heart ached and tears welling up. It was a hard time then, and many left early. And now it's generally creepy ...
                  1. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
                    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 22 December 2020 12: 04
                    -1
                    And why is it creepy?
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 22 December 2020 12: 29
                      +3
                      Your question is caused by a misunderstanding where I live. Where I am is creepy. And I survive in the "independent European hole". If you wish, read the introduction to my article on patriots and emigrants.
                      1. tikhonov66
                        tikhonov66 23 December 2020 13: 37
                        -3
                        "...
                        Your question is caused by a misunderstanding of where I live. Where I am is creepy. And I survive in the "independent European hole".
                        ..."
                        Ahh - there it is!
                        As they say - the hedgehogs injected and cried, but stubbornly CONTINUED TO EAT CACTUS.
                        - You probably thought - that in the "independent European hole" - there are rivers of milk flowing in the jelly banks, on which the girls in LACE panties, all in love with you, sunbathe ...
                        - well dddddudmat - Ms. dada was ... Smart guy.
                  2. tikhonov66
                    tikhonov66 23 December 2020 13: 31
                    -4
                    "...
                    It was a hard time then, and many left early. And now it's generally creepy ...
                    ..."
                    - dress diapers - Schaub not in-o-n-I-l-o ...
                    Frightened (drove into depression) the enemy BEFORE the fight - count half won.
                    - so there is no need to pour water on the "Fashington" mill. Otherwise, you will CONTINUOUSLY CRY and WALL. \
                    8-))
              2. Vlad is short
                Vlad is short 23 December 2020 15: 01
                0
                Such businessmen as Medvedev took advantage of the fruits of Gorbachev's policy, so this award is like a heartfelt gratitude to the criminal from a private person, but not the state. Whoever Medvedev was, the USSR collapsed, at best a lifelong associate professor, because even the department cannot be entrusted to him
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            1. Wolf
              Wolf 21 December 2020 16: 06
              +3
              Excuse me, I mistakenly wrote to a multinational state, and it was necessary to write: A multinational state.
              NATIONS, in fact, ARTS THE IDENTITIES OF THE PEOPLE, VIRTUAL, who came up with something to manipulate, deceive the people, and to visit them their power.
              1. Wolf
                Wolf 21 December 2020 16: 15
                +1
                Today there are NATIONS AND PEOPLES! An excellent example of a nation is NEMZI. The nation is changing the natural identity of the people from the art of vyrtuelni. So Luzhichskie Serbs and Prusi consider themselves Germans today. In fact, the NEMZI ARTWORK IDENTITY HAS NEVER REALLY EXISTED IN THIS WORLD.
                PEOPLE were from the creation of the world and Glory to God remained! wink
                1. Wolf
                  Wolf 21 December 2020 16: 22
                  +3
                  And I will tell you one good thing for the end to make you laugh.
                  In the army of the former Yugoslavia, when the bunt of the officer congratulated the soldiers, they all responded to the heads to SERVE THE PEOPLE.
                  When the national COMUNISTS saw what they had done they quickly banned the soldiers from responding! laughing
                  1. Wolf
                    Wolf 21 December 2020 16: 24
                    +3
                    How to serve the people, and where are we to the head of the REPUBLIC? You won't be so congratulated anymore !!! laughing laughing laughing
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 21 December 2020 10: 24
          +6
          The fact that the United States did nothing of the kind with its aviation suggests, as they write in the Chinese media, that an equal partnership with the United States is hardly possible by definition.

          Quote: Lipchanin
          Especially in international affairs

          The golden words of the Chinese! That is why the US will not put them at the negotiating table on arms treaties! Moreover, there are Japan, Korea, Taiwan with American bases!
        3. Plastmaster
          Plastmaster 23 December 2020 07: 51
          0
          Quote: Lipchanin
          Quote: Bearded
          Honesty is not held in high esteem in the United States.

          Especially in international affairs

          Grandfather Frost, I wish Gorbachev his family, Yeltsin's family, long life. And so that they live paralyzed, chained to the bed. So that they shit, piss under themselves, could not help but move, say a word. They just existed.
      2. keeper03
        keeper03 21 December 2020 09: 34
        +3
        There is nothing to negotiate with these terrorist gangsters! History shows it! USA only understands power! And if Russia keeps them for Faberge, then there will be Peace! soldier
      3. sir.jonn
        sir.jonn 21 December 2020 11: 04
        0
        Quote: Bearded
        The United States is more likely to be called a gangster who will never disarm and hide weapons to shoot in the back. Honesty is not held in high esteem in the United States.

        What kind of gangsters are they? Gopota from the gateway, keep teenagers and retirees in awe in the area.
      4. vavilon
        vavilon 21 December 2020 19: 59
        +3
        What do you want to expect from the descendants of thieves !? You need to talk to them and ask them only according to thieves' laws, otherwise they are "like water from a duck's back."
    2. Finches
      Finches 21 December 2020 07: 13
      +24
      As for the cutting of our strategists - this is one of the shameful pages of the large-scale betrayal of the Motherland by the Yeltsin administration! But this is a separate story, what the Chinese are writing about, writing on the case, raising a rhetorical question - is it possible to trust the Anglo-Saxons within the framework of any agreements? Apparently not - it has always been this way and it happened once again here! Anglo-Saxons and equal partnership is a myth - only force can keep the United States and its accomplices from lies and hypocrisy in bilateral relations! Therefore, before any contacts with the US government, it is best to start with tests of the nuclear triad - then they begin to turn on their heads and descend from heaven to sinful earth! laughing
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 21 December 2020 07: 26
        +9
        Quote: Finches
        Anglo-Saxons and equal partnership is a myth - only force can keep the United States and its accomplices from lying and hypocrisy in bilateral relations!

        So America started out as a country with deception
        The Indians were urged on all issues and were eventually driven into the reservations
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 December 2020 07: 28
          +6
          So this is not a country at all in the classical sense - it is an OJSC! Moreover, OJSC was created only to legalize its criminal nature!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 21 December 2020 07: 31
            +2
            Quote: Finches
            Moreover, OJSC was created only to legalize its criminal nature!

            Well, you can think of any name. I said about essence
      2. bober1982
        bober1982 21 December 2020 07: 57
        +3
        Quote: Finches
        As for cutting our strategists - this is one of the shameful pages of the large-scale betrayal of the Motherland by the Yeltsin administration!

        Not quite so, there was a Treaty on the Reduction and Limitation of Strategic Arms of 1991, Ukraine was obliged to destroy the Tu-160, or sell it to us, which they did not want to do.
        The Yeltsin administration has nothing to do with this agreement.
        1. Finches
          Finches 21 December 2020 08: 35
          0
          Here you are not quite right has, oh, how it has! Yes, the START-1 treaty was signed by a pro-American swindler with a stain on his forehead with the senile Bush Sr. When the criminal Yeltsin, having no authority to do so, signed in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, together with two other state criminals and the great liberal fascists L. Kravchuk and S. Shushkevich, an agreement on the liquidation of the USSR, the rest of the investigation!
    3. RealPilot
      RealPilot 21 December 2020 08: 11
      +11
      It remains to draw conclusions and move forward.
      A new generation of technology will still be required, we do not worry about the melted guns of the war of 1912 or the First World War, right?

      The restoration of the Tu-160M2 has begun, which pleases - they are relevant even now. That is, they destroyed the best at that time, alas. Nevertheless, this is not the end of the Russian history of weapons, they will subsequently be replaced by even newer samples and models of equipment!

      And yet, the United States is entering a period very similar to our perestroika.
      They repeat the main mistakes of the late USSR: censorship and suppression of freedom of speech (this is 1 amendment to their constitution, the inviolability of which they declared), the struggle for power (why is the Gorbachev-Yeltsin fight not Trump-Biden? It seems that even separatism is gaining strength), distrust of the political system (70% of Republicans and 30% of Democrats do not believe in the honesty of the elections), an analogy with the "Kremlin elders" can be traced (Biden - Chernenko), a decline in economic power and the inability to maintain its armed forces at the same level (economic strain from endless wars) , the collapse of their dogmatic faith in democracy (as we have in communism, very similar).

      Therefore, we are not worried, we are restoring the country. And the pendulum of history repeats its inexorable rhythm!
      1. BDRM 667
        BDRM 667 21 December 2020 08: 26
        +10
        «Why didn't the US destroy an equal number of its aircraft?"- Chinese press about cutting the Tu-160 in the 90s

        The answer is obvious - Because there was no one in Russia of the "90s model" to insist on such parity.

        We agreed to everything. I am even surprised that we were not finally turned into slaves of the North American United States ...
    4. boris epstein
      boris epstein 21 December 2020 08: 24
      +7
      If the sharper loses, he changes the rules of the game.
      1. Snail N9
        Snail N9 21 December 2020 09: 13
        +5
        In fact, something else should be surprising, that there are still those characters in the title of Dostoevsky's famous novel who still do not just consider, but strive with all their might to prove that equal partnership is possible under capitalism and its highest stage, imperialism (in the present conditions overgrown into the stage of oligarchism and ready for the next stage - the power of transmonopolies and trans-corporations in the environment of the digital world concentration camp) ...
        https://webkamerton.ru/2020/12/celi-pandemii-provozglasheny?utm_source=politobzor.net
        1. CastroRuiz
          CastroRuiz 21 December 2020 15: 10
          +1
          Ochen pravilnaya definicia faz kapitalizma.
    5. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 21 December 2020 09: 31
      +1
      Because we lost the Cold War.
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    7. Shiva83483
      Shiva83483 21 December 2020 21: 16
      0
      Or surpass the sharper with your cheating skill ... because you can't play honestly here drinks ku ....
    8. antiaircrafter
      antiaircrafter 22 December 2020 10: 57
      0
      Quote: Aerodrome
      you can not play with a sharper, you will lose.

      But you can knock on the head with a candelabrum.
  2. svp67
    svp67 21 December 2020 07: 06
    -5
    The fact that the United States did nothing of the kind with its aviation suggests, as they write in the Chinese media, that an equal partnership with the United States is hardly possible by definition.
    Oh ... What does it mean for the United States to withdraw from its two dozen bombers? Nothing ... Here the Chinese are clearly distorting, forgetting to tell that from about four hundred strategic bombers in the United States, at that time, now only one and a half hundred are in service.
    1. novel66
      novel66 21 December 2020 07: 09
      +10
      Why didn't they destroy chemical weapons?
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 December 2020 07: 14
        +5
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Why didn't they destroy chemical weapons?

        Well, here they are clearly wrong, as in the matter of destroying surplus weapons-grade plutonium ... But they really greatly reduced the number of bombers in the ranks, but again "NO". Their storage system for planes put into reserve allows them to be quickly put into operation.
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 21 December 2020 07: 28
        -3
        Quote: novel xnumx
        Why didn't they destroy chemical weapons?

        It's a shame. How much money was thrown into it, but the goods are running
        How many jihadists are running around the world and all are not averse to buying
        Roman hi
        1. novel66
          novel66 21 December 2020 07: 43
          0
          Earrings hi and they are not afraid
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 21 December 2020 07: 47
            -1
            Quote: novel xnumx
            and they are not afraid

            And who should they be afraid of? Who dares to tell them what?
            Well, except for Russia. Let not be respected, but afraid
            Let not so much, but decent
            1. novel66
              novel66 21 December 2020 08: 43
              -2
              within the framework of the civil war, quite some Latinos or Indians, will take and apply
      3. boris epstein
        boris epstein 21 December 2020 08: 30
        +3
        But how many lies against Russia from the pro-Western white helmets about the use of Russian chemical weapons! But chemical weapons were exported from Syria UNDER THE CONTROL of Western observers, including US observers.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 21 December 2020 08: 48
          +1
          Quote: Boris Epstein
          including US observers.

          And that doesn't bother them. They will always refuse their words
        2. svp67
          svp67 21 December 2020 09: 02
          +2
          Quote: Boris Epstein
          But chemical weapons were exported from Syria UNDER THE CONTROL of Western observers, including US observers.

          Well, you still remember who also received the Nobel Peace Prize for this ...
    2. boris epstein
      boris epstein 21 December 2020 08: 26
      +2
      But the rest are intact in storage bases.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 December 2020 09: 09
        +2
        Quote: Boris Epstein
        But the rest are intact in storage bases.

        Yes, they have one storage base and not all of them are intact there, but the fact that some of them are quite possible for restoration, so yes

    3. Dart
      Dart 21 December 2020 13: 11
      0
      well, they didn't do that either, and much more ...
  3. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 07: 07
    +2
    For Gorby and EBN, this question is more pertinent.
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 21 December 2020 07: 09
    +8
    How why!? Because the spotted reptile was not in their power!
  5. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 21 December 2020 07: 13
    +1
    Has the United States ever fulfilled its promises ?? - a rhetorical question and the answer is obvious (I did not mean the adherents of Kharik Kasparov, they will bulk up and the like) - never.
    After the collapse of the USSR, 19 Tu-160 aircraft were at the Priluki airbase in Ukraine. Since 1998, under the Nunn-Lugar program, Ukraine has disposed of 10 aircraft, one was transferred to the museum, the remaining eight were transferred by parts of Russia.
  6. apro
    apro 21 December 2020 07: 14
    +5
    With unconditional surrender, no conditions are set ...
  7. 7,62x54
    7,62x54 21 December 2020 07: 17
    +8
    Both the Americans and the Chinese are not negotiable. If you do business with them, then without strategic agreements. And periodically it is necessary to give both in the neck, put in place.
    1. Vlad is short
      Vlad is short 23 December 2020 15: 10
      0
      There is a difference, the Chinese are cunning and the Americans are mean.
  8. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 21 December 2020 07: 29
    +3
    Although I’ve never been a pilot, these shots made my heart bleed. I understand the men of the pilots when this action took place in front of their eyes. I hope the enemies will have this!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 21 December 2020 07: 49
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Although I have never been a pilot, my heart was bleeding from these shots.

      Scary footage.
      And they were forced to watch it.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 December 2020 07: 55
        +4
        Did they really cut them in front of the formation, to humiliate them again? hi
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 21 December 2020 08: 42
          -2
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Did they really cut them in front of the formation, to humiliate them again?

          And who humiliated. "Brothers Slavs" am
  9. Cron
    Cron 21 December 2020 07: 39
    +3
    You will also propose to them to destroy an equal number of factories that have fallen into disrepair in Ukraine, while the whole world was with them, well, it continues to be. That's what, but there are no fools
    1. boris epstein
      boris epstein 21 December 2020 08: 33
      +1
      Well, suppose the destruction of an equal number of US factories will not strain. But if you destroy factories in percentage terms ... How many percent are destroyed in Ukraine, the same amount in the United States!
  10. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 21 December 2020 08: 04
    +4
    an equal partnership with the United States is hardly possible by definition.
    the conclusion seems to be correct, but in this context it is far-fetched.
    At that time, the Americans were not promised anything about their planes, even in words, and even more so, they did not prescribe any obligations to reduce their bombers in any agreements.
    Yes, and there could be no equal partnership, there was a surrender on our part, and accordingly they behaved like winners - everything to us, you only what we allow.
    Again, they were cutting Ukrainian planes, not Russian ones.
    On the contrary, they had the formal right to make claims to us because of the purchase of the surviving aircraft.
  11. Avior
    Avior 21 December 2020 08: 07
    +10
    Under the Lugar program in the 90s, a huge number of weapons were eliminated mainly in Russia
    As of October 2012, during the operation of the program, according to information from the website of Richard Lugar, 7610 nuclear warheads were deactivated (the plan for 2017 is 9265). Destroyed [4] [2]:

    902 intercontinental ballistic missiles,
    498 silo launchers,
    191 mobile launcher,
    33 nuclear submarines,
    684 ballistic missile submarines,
    906 air-to-ground missiles with nuclear warheads,
    155 bombers,
    194 nuclear test tunnels.

    Several Tu160s are just a drop in the ocean.
    In fact, the scale of destruction was much larger ...
  12. Sibguest
    Sibguest 21 December 2020 08: 22
    +5
    "America is the only country that has passed from the stage of barbarism directly to the stage of degeneration, bypassing the stage of civilization."
    Georges Clemenceau (French politician and statesman, Prime Minister of France).
  13. APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2020 08: 27
    +2
    write in the Chinese media that an equal partnership with the United States is hardly possible by definition.

    This is what the Chinese have correctly noted, partnership with the United States is possible only as a servant.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 21 December 2020 08: 50
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      partnership with the US is possible only as a servant

      What Tribalts, Poles and "non-brothers" successfully show to the whole world
    2. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 21 December 2020 22: 21
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      write in the Chinese media that an equal partnership with the United States is hardly possible by definition.

      This is what the Chinese have correctly noted, partnership with the United States is possible only as a servant.

      So, 10 years ago, BB said that the United States does not need partners, it needs vassals - and this is the main problem of modern politics.
  14. An64
    An64 21 December 2020 09: 12
    0
    Was there an agreement that the United States would mutually destroy its aircraft? Americans, of course, are not good, but you don't need to juggle.
  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 December 2020 09: 19
    0
    Because they are the most exceptional liars in the world about democracy, human rights and, naturally, international law.
    And now one of the three postulates of the well-known expression has come into effect, stating that one cannot constantly deceive a huge number of people all the time. In Russia, they understood this and let the striped people not expect that they will get away with everything, and the rest of the world will probably come to this and then the kirdyk will come with this exceptional.
  16. dgonni
    dgonni 21 December 2020 09: 55
    +1
    Maybe because the liquidation was carried out according to the Lisbon Protocol and the Nunn-Lugar program?
  17. rocket757
    rocket757 21 December 2020 09: 57
    +1
    So this question is now useless to raise .... but at the expense of agreements with striped, their reliability is not a word, no, SIGNATURES of top officials, it makes no sense .... they are not worth ANYTHING.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 22 December 2020 02: 36
      +1
      Yes, and everything turned out to be the same with the signed ones. hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 22 December 2020 07: 17
        +1
        "boy" gave, "boy" took back and no doubt about the correctness of their actions .... something like that.
  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 21 December 2020 10: 10
    +1
    why didn't the USA destroy an equal number of their aircraft of the same class?
    The Chinese asked a rhetorical question. Why, why, because they did not plan this, although they had to under the contract. Unlike Gorbachev, and later Yeltsin, who were ready to jump out of their pants for patting themselves on the shoulder by the American president.
  19. Constanty
    Constanty 21 December 2020 10: 16
    +1
    Here, rather, one should speak about Ukraine and the "Budapest Mamorial".

    The guarantees of the USA, Great Britain and Russia turned out to be of little value.

    It turns out, however, that while Russia was treated like a serious state, no one liked leaving nuclear weapons and Tu-160 strategic bombers in the hands of an unstable country like Ukraine.

    As well as the presence, for example, in Poland of missiles 9K72 Elbrus "Scud".

    The only surprising thing is that Russia did not want to compensate the settlements in a different way and take these planes home.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 21 December 2020 11: 58
      +3
      Quote: Constanty
      Russia did not want to compensate the settlements in another way and take these planes home.

      Ours offered Ukraine to buy the planes, but Ukrainian greed and the shouts of the Americans did not allow returning the aircraft.
  20. iouris
    iouris 21 December 2020 12: 12
    +1
    Quote: "... But then in Ukraine, many pilots literally cried." End of quote.
    Were they "Ukrainian pilots"? They were "Ukrainian planes" ??
    You learned a lot there. It's time to put the brains back.
  21. xomaNN
    xomaNN 21 December 2020 13: 13
    +1
    The Yankees paid uk..r. the rulers of that time kravchuk / kuchma "30 pieces of silver" only a few million dollars in their pockets for the Soviet Tu 160 to cut.

    And even now it's problematic to bargain for equal conditions with the Yankees, but then no one stuttered.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 21 December 2020 13: 20
      +1
      Quote: xomaNN
      just a few million dollars in your pockets for cutting the Soviet Tu 160s.

      The Americans and the Ukrainians were slaughtering, as befits the natives, they just watched.
  22. Max otto
    Max otto 21 December 2020 14: 33
    +3
    How can you be such a chip and cut airplanes? It's like throwing away gold bars. They could still pay for gas by them.
    (Why can't this ordinary word be written in Russian? It is quite literary.)
  23. bzbo
    bzbo 21 December 2020 15: 44
    +2
    "Buggers, they don't have shame ..."
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    “The dead have no shame” is an old Russian proverb.
    The chronicles say that it was used as a call to his soldiers by the Kiev prince Svyatoslav before the battle with the Byzantines, in the sense that "it is better to die than disgrace, that death in battle is always honorable."
  24. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 21 December 2020 16: 31
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    Quote: Tatiana
    But the colonial consequences for the Russian Federation as a result of the loss of the USSR to the United States of America


    And now the laws of our state protect this Judas.
    But everything is changing, new amendments to the constitution are a good reason for lawmakers to "correct" the necessary articles, and bring the tagged ghoul to justice.

    PS The military who gave the Tu-160 for sawing only wore uniforms, but in fact they were sad castrates.
    Everyone took the oath (USSR), and only real heroes who saved their Honor and saved the weapons given to them by the Motherland could go to the end.
  25. Old26
    Old26 21 December 2020 16: 39
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    Quote: svp67
    Oh ... What does it mean for the United States to withdraw from its two dozen bombers? Nothing ... Here the Chinese are clearly distorting, forgetting to tell that from about four hundred strategic bombers in the United States, at that time, now only one and a half hundred are in service.

    Got downsides from ....? What to do. Knowing that the Americans have withdrawn all their B-52Gs from service is not a tsarist business for them. Hammer, comrade. There is no point in proving anything

    Quote: novel xnumx
    Why didn't they destroy chemical weapons?

    It's not time yet. According to the Wyoming Memorandum, the deadline for the complete destruction of chemical weapons in Russia and the United States was set at 1.1.2023. We took the Stakhanov watch and destroyed it a year ahead of schedule. Who is guilty? Americans? Or some of our chemical generals who wanted to have additional preferences, awards, and more:

    Quote: svp67
    Well, here they are clearly wrong, as in the issue of the destruction of surplus weapons-grade plutonium ...

    As for the destruction of CW - see above. There was no question about the destruction of surplus plutonium. Until 2018, both we and lni had to destroy EMNIP 17 tons of plutonium each, reprocessing it so that it could not be used.
    For reference. At that time, the United States had about 120 tons of weapons-grade plutonium, and about 160 tons from Russia. There is no question of any excess ..
    We have such technologies, they also decided to follow the path of least resistance and made it "unusable" for weapons purely symbolically. American plutonium "processed in this way" can be returned to a weapon-grade state, albeit at great expense. Ours is no longer there. Based on this, GDP and tore up the agreement.
  26. alex-sherbakov48
    alex-sherbakov48 21 December 2020 16: 43
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    Well, Americans are not such fools as our Gorbachev and Yeltsin. The first is old, the second is from drinking !!!
  27. sidoroff
    sidoroff 21 December 2020 18: 31
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    the Chinese comrades' appeal to "honesty in international politics" is something. that in itself delivers. divorced, you know, wise monkeys who want to watch someone's fights sitting on a high hill.
  28. Klingon
    Klingon 21 December 2020 21: 05
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    Chinese comrades quite rightly raised this question, although it is rhetorical
  29. certero
    certero 22 December 2020 01: 25
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    Ukraine was paid $ 1 million for the destroyed Tu-160.
    I'm sure that money has specific recipients
  30. Basarev
    Basarev 22 December 2020 08: 01
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    USA is a superpower. Only another superpower can be on an equal footing with them. And therefore the States have the right to arbitrariness. All agreements, conditions and restrictions exist only for smaller countries. One can be indignant, but it is so.
  31. Berg berg
    Berg berg 22 December 2020 16: 32
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    Yes, because at that time there were in the government with brains, and without brains!
  32. AC130 Ganship
    AC130 Ganship 22 December 2020 22: 46
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    Some nonsense. Who promised to whom and did not fulfill what? Ukraine promised amers to remove all strategic nuclear weapons carriers from its territory. They did it. the Americans did not promise to cut their planes. They gave Ukraine money. Well, the fact that Russia and U could not agree on time about how much Tu160 remains was the drunken Borya about ... the ball was a moment while Baryn was dancing with the grandmothers
  33. Edvid
    Edvid 23 December 2020 03: 47
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    The constant whining about "equal relations" with the United States is a conversation between the weak and the strong. The US has never asked for an "equal relationship" with Russia ...
  34. Alexex
    Alexex 23 December 2020 22: 32
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    So they and chemistry are still in warehouses ... "there is not enough money" ...