"China's anti-submarine capabilities are weak": the US media said that Taiwan's submarine fleet could prevent the invasion of China

The representative office of the American television channel CNN in Hong Kong comes out with material dedicated to Taiwan's plans to create its own underwater fleet... We will remind that earlier the President of Taiwan Tsai Ing-wen announced a "new historical milestone ":

We will create a modern fleet that will demonstrate the willpower of our republic to the whole world.

According to the plans of the Taiwan authorities, only at the first stage it is planned to create eight submarines, one of which is already being built at a shipyard in Kaohsiung. It is expected that its sea trials will begin in 2025.

American reporter Brad Landon writes literally the following:

Taiwan's advanced submarine fleet could prevent a Chinese invasion, keeping Taiwan safe for decades.

It is noted that the promising submarines of the Taiwanese Navy will become platforms for "stealth weapons". We are talking about low-visibility underwater unmanned vehicles. At the same time, the submarines themselves will be diesel-electric, with a low noise level.

They are said to be powered by "ultra-quiet electric motors" powered by "long-life lithium-ion batteries."

American author in US media:

Choosing diesel-electric submarines over nuclear ones was an easy choice for Taipei. Diesel-electric submarines are easier and cheaper to build. And when a submarine is submerged, electric motors produce less noise than nuclear reactors.

Owen Cote, Deputy Head of the Security Research Program at the University of Massachusetts, said.
American expert:

It will be more convenient for such submarines to resist the Chinese fleet. The anti-submarine capabilities of the PRC are weak, and the acoustic conditions in these very shallow and noisy waters are extremely difficult even for advanced anti-submarine weapons such as those deployed in Japan and the United States.

It is indicated that it is still unknown what parameters the Taiwanese diesel-electric submarines will have, but it points to such a fact as the willingness of the United States to transfer Mark 48 torpedoes to Taipei.

Comments

[nnm]

Right! Also, China and Taiwan must be confronted in the war! Common US tactics. They also convinced Georgia that everything would be fine! The more fires near the borders of rivals, the better. As a result, they will wait for themselves that they will set fire to Latin America .... although almost the majority of the population is already migrants. As a result, BLM will seem like a kindergarten. The best option - together with China - to create and help various national, racial movements, both at the borders of the United States and within this Reich.

[evgen1221]

It seems that everyone in the world already knows at least two quick and high-quality recipes to put the states at a cost, but for some reason they are embarrassed to do it.

[Doccor18]

Quote: nnm

Right! Also, China and Taiwan must be confronted in the war!

Here they will come out with a fragment ...
There will be no war between the Chinese. Many of them bind, and only "American supernatural" separates them ...

Choosing diesel-electric submarines over nuclear ones was an easy choice for Taipei. Diesel-electric submarines are easier and cheaper to build ..

You can't deny logic ..

[Svarog]

As a result, they will wait for themselves to set fire to Latin America.

Who will take a chance?

The best option - together with China - to create and help various national, racial movements, both at the borders of the United States and within this Reich.

Does China need it? And why should we? China has not yet demonstrated its friendliness towards the Russian Federation .. while purely partnership relations (in practice), in words, everything is much better. And so far, in partnership with China, we clearly have the position of a woman.

[Normal]

Were they going to invade?)

[Alex777]

8 PL with lithium batteries is of course power. Just not against the Chinese fleet.
As for the American torpedoes, Tram gave the scheme, and Biden took it - it is quite possible.

[Shurik70]

And at the expense of "China is weak" - firstly, China knows how to keep secrets, and the media reports only what is difficult to hide - new ships and aircraft, without specifying their exact performance characteristics. And secondly, China is able to implement new things VERY quickly. And as soon as it creates / steals / buys the technology of a network of highly sensitive acoustic buoys, it will cover the entire region with this network in half a year.

[Tusv]

Quote: Alex777

8 PL with lithium batteries is of course power.

By the way, at the expense of batteries. China is the leader. And Taiwan will fall unarmed

[Alex777]

China is the leader. And Taiwan will fall unarmed

And I think so. America is too far away and China can choose the timing.

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Alex777

8 PL with lithium batteries is of course power.

By the way, at the expense of batteries. China is the leader. And Taiwan will fall unarmed

Well said ... if China is going to take over Taiwan ... even rubber boats will be enough for them!

[Tusv]

even rubber boats will be enough for them!

No. The Chinese will not exchange for such shnyaga. Stupidly assimilate over time. By the way, we have no visas for any

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Tusv

No. The Chinese will not exchange for such shnyaga. Stupidly assimilate over time. By the way, we have no visas for any

Assimilated with Taiwan So There Are Also CHINESE!

[Tusv]

That's right

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Tusv

That's right

I honestly didn't understand. Taiwan was originally Chinese! If this is a "hint" to Our DV ... Then it is - PASS!
Explain ...

[Tusv]

Quote: Hunter 2.

I honestly didn't understand.

For over 250 DB they give an Excellent border guard. I have it. I did not understand your question?

[Hunter 2]

Quote: Tusv

Quote: Hunter 2.

I honestly didn't understand.

For over 250 DB they give an Excellent border guard. I have it. I did not understand your question?

Fine We both speak different languages. I mean that the entire population of Taiwan is Chinese by nationality (in all their varieties) ... just during their Civil War, who managed to sit on this island with the support of the United States.
For the DB, they also award other "badges" with a weapon named ... I have it.

[passerby]

With the width of the Taiwan Strait from 130 to 380 km, it is quite possible to block it with minefields and no submarines will be able to interfere with the amphibious assault from mainland China to Taiwan.

[Sergey Averchenkov]

Who are "they" and where?

[onstar9]

Not only are they going to, but they have long been planning to seize Taiwan. China considers Taiwan its territory and wants to return it to its subordination. They would have done it long ago if they were not afraid that the world would condemn them as an aggressor and deteriorate trade relations.

[APASUS]

The distance between mainland China and Taiwan is such that the entire submarine fleet of Taiwan, will be hit by other means, may well be at the quay wall.

[Hog]

So for the capture of Taiwan, China does not need to use the surface fleet at all, there will be enough aviation and submarines (a simultaneous crushing missile strike and that's it).

[Alex777]

A crushing blow is not an option. China in Taiwan needs to get everything whole.

[Hog]

So I did not talk about complete destruction, but only about the elimination of military bases (another dreamer).

[onstar9]

Why do you hate Taiwan so much? Is it necessary to place it under the rule of the totalitarian regime of China? Do you like dictatorships, or what?

[Hog]

I wrote somewhere that I hate Taiwan? You do not need to fly your fantasies to other people's words.
I just described the capabilities of China (relative to the capabilities of Taiwan described in the article).

[Quadro]

Quote: onstar9

Why do you hate Taiwan so much? Is it necessary to place it under the rule of the totalitarian regime of China? Do you like dictatorships, or what?

Another goof with his nonsense and not versed in the subject. Taiwan has TERRITORIAL claims to ALL neighbors, including us, they claim to the Far East and Siberia, and their whole ideology is "the superiority of the Chinese over all." Why the heck are we a mad dog, and even under the roof of the United States ?!

[ANB]

... Why do you hate Taiwan so much? Is it necessary to place it under the rule of the totalitarian regime of China? Do you like dictatorships, or what?

And what about freedom and democracy in Taiwan?

[arhitroll]

The communists will soon fill the road to Taiwan, and they are submarines ...

[rocket757]

China is playing a long game.
This game relies on the resource base in the first place.
The question is - who has more resources?

[Alex777]

This is not even a question.
The pandemic will mow down a lot and most Taiwanese themselves will want to go to China.
The advantages of the communist system are visible.

[rocket757]

So the answer is obvious, but external factors begin to influence.

[Alex777]

I would see how the Biden administration behaves.
It is not yet clear to me what the policy towards China will be.

[evgen1221]

And what it was, they will gently put pressure on politically and economically. They will actively start pinching the Chinese when our external management is fully arranged.

[Alex777]

I have an opinion that after EBN we are almost not afraid of anything.
We have experienced such management that the Yankees can no longer achieve more.

[Boa kaa]

Quote: evgen1221

when our external management is fully arranged.

The one-eyed man was dreaming! (from)
What, you can't wait? Well, don't hope: with the new amendments to the Constitution, the Law on Foreign Agents (NPO) and the public mood, this is unlikely to happen ...
The main thing is not to screw up the parliamentary and presidential elections and do not go for the next "democracy" of the 1991 model.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Alex777

the pandemic will mow and most Taiwanese themselves will want to go to China.
The advantages of the communist system are visible

Do you think the almost complete absence of free medicine is a characteristic feature of the communist system and an enviable advantage?))

[evgen1221]

Where is the lack of medicine. According to the CPC's report on the last five-year plan. They provided 1 billion of the population with free medicine at home.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: evgen1221

They provided 1 billion population with free medicine

What kind of free medicine are you talking about? About a free application where doctors are ready to consult Chinese doctors for free (remotely, of course)? I am willing to believe that 1 in 1.4 billion Chinese people have access to a smartphone. As for real medicine ...

For the majority of Chinese people, any real examination, treatment, medicines cost a lot of money (most of them simply do not have them - they are treated with bats). In 19 they presented as an achievement an increase by the state in the share of reimbursement of citizens' expenses for medicine from 50% to 60%, i.e. 40% still give it yourself (and it only works for certain categories of citizens).
Why are you lying, it's easy to verify?

It is precisely because of the lack of access to medicine among the majority of Chinese citizens that all sorts of rubbish, like today's coronavirus, regularly comes into the world from there.

[Alex777]

It is precisely because of the lack of access to medicine among the majority of Chinese citizens that all sorts of rubbish, like today's coronavirus, regularly comes into the world from there.

My friend smokes vape. I told him: it's not worth it - it's harmful. And he was not proven to me.
And I began to look for evidence. Found an article about harm in the summer of 2019. In the States, under 500 people got sick strangely and seriously. At autopsy, the lungs of the deceased resembled "bottle glass".
One of the articles on the topic: https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2019/09/13_a_12647485.shtml
As a result, everything turned out to be empty. Of the 2 dozen who were so ill, no one smoked anything.
The doctors then did not really explain anything. The versions were thrown over and everything was quiet.
I remembered these symptoms in the spring of this year.
I believe that the coronavirus in the States has been at least since last summer.
And the Americans brought him to China at the World War Games.
The games were held from 15 to 28 October 2019 in Wuhan.
And then everything becomes clear with the number of cases in the States, and how 4 Yankees of the French Polar carrier were put out of action, and much more.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: Alex777

In the end, everything turned out to be empty

Keep:
https://www.forbes.ru/obshchestvo/385623-ssha-dali-nazvanie-novoy-bolezni-porazhayushchey-veyperov-chto-o-ney-izvestno

Quote from the article:
"The US Department of Health's CDC (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) has officially named the new disease affecting e-cigarette smokers. The agency has decided to name the disease EVALI, which is an acronym for e-cigarette or vaping product use-associated lung injury." which can be translated into Russian as "lung damage associated with the use of electronic cigarettes or vapes."

Health to your friend

[Alex777]

Quote: Boris ⁣Razor

Health to your friend

Thank you Boris!
He's a good, young guy ...
As for the diagnosis in the articles.
My parents and grandfather are doctors. The wife is a doctor.
The way in the States this "disease" was called and the situation was let down "on the brakes", led me to the conclusions I wrote about above.

[evgen1221]

The deaths in the states from electronic devices due to the fact that the extract of marijuana is soaring among young people, and this thing is legally sold there. And because vaping is very different from ordinary smoking, in terms of delivering substances to the lungs and speed, the effect is very powerful on health. Normal liquids lead to nothing but the emptiness of the feeds of the tobacco corporations.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: evgen1221

marijuana extract youth soars

Quote: evgen1221

Normal liquids go nowhere

If you read the article, you will find that 51% of the "victims" did not use cannabioids, "soaring" exclusively nicotine-containing things

[evgen1221]

Well, it turns out that electronics are at least 50% safer for health than ordinary cigarettes with tobacco etched for (aroma) with hydrochloric acid. From which 90% of the bad side effects are guaranteed to come out. Not to mention the amber and soot around.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: evgen1221

out

Where is the logic?)

[FahrerLKW]

In Ukraine, back in January 2020 or at the end of 2019. on the Ukrainian TV channel 1 + 1, it seems, news came out, in my opinion from Ternopil, that people are suffering from a strange disease affecting the lungs and given the practically absence of medicine in Ukraine, the doctors complained that there was nothing to treat and it is not known how.
And three months later, they introduced quarantine around the world. So the virus definitely started earlier and, as I think, at once in different regions - China, USA, Italy ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

In Russian it is correct to say "in Ukraine". It is important. Further on the topic.

Already at the end of December 2019, WHO officially announced the discovery in China of cases of pneumonia caused by an unknown pathogen.
The path from the discovery of a new disease to the recognition of such facts took at least several months. Everyone was forgotten, but the first Chinese people who announced a new disease were harshly persecuted in China, trying to hide the problem for a long time. And how long the infection spread without being detected at all, to put it mildly, by no means the most perfect system of Chinese health care - one can only guess.
Obviously the infection has begun to spread minimum, from the fall of 2019. So the fall of 2020 in Ukraine could already have seen real cases of covid infection.

Be that as it may, "covid" is far from the only infection "presented" to the world by China over the past decades.

[FahrerLKW]

Boris ⁣ Shaver
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In Russian it is correct to say "in Ukraine". It is important. Further on the topic.

It is correct to speak Russian in Ukraine, especially in Ukraine, and I don't care how it is with you in Russia. Have you eaten? Sounds nice - In Russia ???

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: FahrerLKW

It is correct to speak Russian in Ukraine

Everything here is elementary and has been chewed up more than once even for the most narrow-minded.

The norm of real language ... uh ... stop. Here it is already necessary to clarify. The present is the essence of what appeared in a natural way, like life itself, and not invented by a bunch of nationalistically turned scumbags. A true language is born from the flesh of the people to which it belongs. This language developed along with the people, absorbed and reflected every grain of its history.

So, the norm of a real language stems from the depths of history and is determined in the mass use. It is, of course, difficult for you to understand this. But any native speaker of a real language will understand what I'm talking about.
Historically, Ukraine is one of our lands. No one says "in the ground". Everyone says "on the ground." In the Bryansk region, in the Oryol region, in the Kuban region, in the Ukraine, etc.
About mass character. 99% of native speakers of Russian will say that they are used to using the construction "in Ukraine", and the construction "in Ukraine" hurts the ear. That's what our parents said, that's what our grandparents said, that's what we say.

Nothing happened that could in the real language affect the use of this construction. In an artificial (largely invented) language, like yours - everything, of course, is different. In your case, you do not speak freely (you would say everything freely in Russian), but "directively". But this is unnatural for normal people.

[FahrerLKW]

Historically, Ukraine is our land, the land of Kievan Rus, and we are used to saying here in Ukraine, as we like, but what about you there in your dialects, I don’t care, the MAAsk dialect of the Russian language also hurts my ears, about the okay and the rest I only heard from the words , I have not encountered it myself. I'm not saying sho Moscow is our land, although it was founded by our Kiev prince. And the Orthodox faith has gone from us to you. So there is no need to start about your, or rather not your, land ...

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: FahrerLKW

we used to say here in Ukraine how we like it

In Ukraine. And further.

Yeah. For example, this is why laws are being adopted in your country (and all kinds of other methods of pressure are used) designed to restrict the use of the Russian language. This is precisely because you all talk there the way you like, and not how you are forced)))

To be so inconsistent, unreasonable and illogical, you either have to bury your brain due to some kind of disease, or due to the requirements of the employer (when there is absolutely nothing to eat and you decided to sell your conscience along with your brain). Which of these reasons is yours?

[FahrerLKW]

In Russia and further, in the Urals, in the Kuban, etc. this is your land.
Ukraine is not your land, hack to death once and for all, what no country but this is my country and you, I do not associate after 2014. not with brothers or relatives, just neighbors. And even if it will be 2, 5, 10 times more profitable to trade with you, I personally would never contact you in all directions, I would not even accept free help either. And I hope this point of view from the majority of the people of Ukraine, regardless of nationality, not a single concession, nothing, beyond the eastern border of darkness, emptiness.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Your tantrum is not interesting to anyone. Why is she here at all? It makes no sense.
The Russian people will never allow anyone to colonize their land. The time will come and we will free her. It has always been that way.

[FahrerLKW]

Our land does not need your "liberation", but about hysteria, this is a real point of view that your media does not voice to you and here on the site they are immediately banned for this.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: FahrerLKW

this is a real point of view

Is hysteria your point of view?
For a couple of decades, ukrosmi did what they wanted with the brains of people like you. Absolutely illogical nonsense has easily crept into your skull boxes. You have easily forgotten your family and tribe.
We will return everything to square one in less time, because the truth is much easier to explain. Rotating weather vane like you is not a problem at all, so your tantrums are completely meaningless.

[FahrerLKW]

Campaign hysterics you have, obviously hooked on the living. Shaw propaganda melted your brains? Did you not expect that the people of Ukraine would not lead to your attempts to look like ridiculous, first you tear off someone else's territory, convince yourself that it was right, and then you are going to carry liberation further? You don't have enough of your own land, do you want to go to Ukraine? Crimea and Donbass are not full? Did we forget the clan and tribe? Are our troops stationed in the Kuban or in the Voronezh region their own republic? The fact that your agents of influence are trying to divert attention from the truth will not help you and your screams about kinship ended in 2014, that's it - you chose Crimea but lost Ukraine.

[Boris ⁣ Shaver]

Quote: FahrerLKW

clearly hooked

Quote: FahrerLKW

They did not expect

I wrote it at the very beginning - everything is extremely simple and has been discussed more than once.
My goal in dialogue with you is educational work.

[Paragraph Epitafievich Y.]

... The question is - who has more resources?

Of course, the Rossiyushka has the most. I'm proud!

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Maybe they will try to make war with China?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

Maybe they will try to make war with China?

Nikolaevich, do they have a jumping "rubber" boNba !?
If not, then there is nothing to try: they have mobresource = 100 million people !!!
The economy is the second (first?) In the world.
Moral and psychological cohesion l / s - this even the Third Reich never dreamed of! The population is disciplined and loyal to the country's leadership. Mao is still the "Reddest Sun" in the desert! (They love Stalin as much as our Stalinists! And they have never anointed their history with shit!)
Well, both TNW and SNW are available. The military-technical component is stepping on the heels of both us and the Yankees ...
So, I would think three times before embarking on a military adventure ...

[knn54]

Something I remembered a joke about the Georgian (or rather Mingrelian) surname Mogulia.
And TODAY Taiwan has only 4 diesel-electric submarines, two of which are over 70 (!) Years old.

[Alex777]

Apparently the Japanese have joined in, "in friendship" are helping.
Without their help, such submarines cannot be built to Taiwan, IMHO.

[V1er]

As the United States gives in, so many of the world's problems will be solved. Taiwan will go to China. Crimea is recognized. Donbass will receive semi-independence. We need to remove the United States from the world arena. On the other hand, another scenario is also possible. Small (oversized) but ambitious countries will unleash wars in order to change the world order.

[Quadro]

In fact, it's like a saying about killing a dragon and that the one who kills him will eventually become him. The light did not converge on the USA like a wedge, there will be any fuss between big uncles.

[V1er]

In our case, it is beneficial for us that the United States was, but was weak and could not intervene anywhere and everywhere, at will. This is ideal for Russia. And the world will be whole.

[Normal ok]

Quote: V1er

As the United States gives in, so many of the world's problems will be solved.

The problems of the world will never be solved. The United States will give up and new "hegemons" will appear. The same China, for example.

[tralflot1832]

Here I saw infographics of combat-ready ships of the PRC navies and a dead English lion. Very impressed. Lev had to show who is the boss in the South China Sea. As they showed, welded Lizka and Prince to the berths until next summer. Probably not casual. And then some kind of Taiwan.

[Servisinzhener]

They can tell their citizens about the army capable of resisting the invasion of the PRC. In fact, their independence rests exclusively on the United States. And if there is no US support, then the best option is to agree on acceptable terms of surrender. Otherwise, no submarines with lithium batteries, nor a supply of anti-ship missiles for aircraft will help them.
If the Taiwanese authorities choose the bad option, they will receive a naval blockade. A massive strike against all key defense targets by means of OTRK and cruise missiles. Then unmanned pilots under the cover of fighters. And only at the end there will be an amphibious operation on the well-ironed island.

[yfast]

Quote: Alex777

This is not even a question.
The pandemic will mow down a lot and most Taiwanese themselves will want to go to China.
The advantages of the communist system are visible.

Yes, to infect the whole world and make good money on it.

[Gennady Fomkin]

Oppose ... There is no aviation and missiles, only the fleet, Taiwan will stop releasing iPhones?

[Gennady Fomkin]

... I am interested in the reason for the "ostrich" fear, the pathological fear of recognition of China's achievements. Note, about the shortcomings, I am also aware. But if we put China's achievements on one side of the scales and its weaknesses on the other, then the achievements are incomparably more significant. I follow the attempts of the Chinese to master advanced technologies, the ones of which I have a certain idea. And related directions. And they did something, to what we are now, as before the moon.