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From allegations of the "poisoning" of the opposition to the alarm at the Ramstein base

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The so-called investigation from Navalny and "in the case" of Navalny has been discussed over the past few days. Moreover, the authors of this "investigation" are indignant at the fact that the majority of ordinary Russians actually ignored the video, which the authors themselves called "sensational". The discussion is conducted mainly by experts, political scientists, politicians - on different sides of the ideological barricades.


Some call for "severely punishing the regime for trying to eliminate" an unwilling oppositionist. Others are convinced that this was concocted by foreign special services as a series of recent provocations: from the "poisoning" of the Skripals to the failed SBU operation against the Russians, whom they tried to lure through Belarus to the territory of Ukraine.

Each of the parties, as journalist Konstantin Semin argues in his video, is trying to attract society to its side. But the question is: are these political games important to society in general? People are concerned about their own problems, including the problems of falling incomes against the background of rising prices, problems with the sanitary-epidemic situation, and prohibitions associated with it.

The Agitprop video also examines the sensational anxiety situation at the Ramstein base in Germany. At one point, an alarm siren sounded.

“My heart sank,” writes one of the eyewitnesses of those events.

Worldwide nervousness, social tension, instability in societies and political institutions of the countries of the modern world - all this is already becoming a hallmark of our time.

Issue of "Agitprop", where the author tries to determine which problems are important and which are secondary:

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  1. Tatyana
    Tatyana 20 December 2020 17: 43
    +10
    In the eyes of the public, foreign intelligence has obviously overdone the alleged "poisoning" of Navalny by Russia!
    Both the Germans in Germany and the Russians perceive Navalny's "poisoning" as nothing more than a farce of the foreign intelligence services that Navalny serves.
    1. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 20 December 2020 17: 47
      +2
      Worldwide nervousness, social tension, instability in societies and political institutions of the countries of the modern world - all this is already becoming a hallmark of our time.

      Coronavirus again, not to mention Russian hackers! What this Putin wants is what he does! yes
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 20 December 2020 17: 50
        +4
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        Quote: Tatiana
        Worldwide nervousness, social tension, instability in societies and political institutions of the countries of the modern world - all this is already becoming a hallmark of our time.

        This is not my quote. This is a quote from the article. Correct it if you have time!
        1. uralant
          uralant 20 December 2020 18: 08
          +2
          Quote: Tatiana
          This is not my quote. This is a quote from the article. Correct it if you have time!

          And if they do not have time ??? !!!
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 20 December 2020 19: 02
          +3
          Quote: Tatiana
          This is not my quote. This is a quote from the article. Correct it if you have time!

          Will not have time!
    2. Svarog
      Svarog 20 December 2020 18: 04
      -7
      Quote: Tatiana
      Both the Germans in Germany and the Russians perceive Navalny's "poisoning" as nothing more than a farce of the foreign intelligence services that Navalny serves.

      Bulk is not our problem. And it's not even a problem of those against whom he is fighting .. for this reason, you can forget about him and not remember .. let him live in Germany and please us with investigations.
      As for a serious problem, it is now precisely that it is time for people to decide who they are with? With those who have not created anything in 30 years, with "patriots" who receive titles in England, with "smart managers" who have the largest yachts and withdraw all the money or "drink blood" over the hill .. The time is coming for self-determination and the sooner we understand who we are with and what we want, the sooner we will begin to get out of this schizoclinic, into which today's "elite" have assigned us ..
      1. Fungus
        Fungus 20 December 2020 19: 04
        +7
        Navalny is just our problem. He was hounded in the hope of stopping Nord Stream 2 and blaming Putin for it. In the end, it turned out the opposite. Nord Stream 2 will be completed, and Navalny turned out to be a traitor working for Western intelligence services. Now he has no future in Russia. For the rest of his life he will now crow from the West and feel like a waste material ...
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 December 2020 19: 09
          -7
          Quote: Fungus
          He was hounded in the hope of stopping Nord Stream 2 and blaming Putin for it.

          Nonsense of course .. you can stop SP2 without poisoning Navalny .. it's very easy to find 1000 and one reason.
          and Navalny turned out to be a traitor working for Western intelligence services

          And to whom do you refer those who take money offshore, receive English titles, have foreign citizenship or residence permit ... and usually in the camp of the enemy? Are they patriots?
          1. Quadro
            Quadro 20 December 2020 19: 45
            +9
            Quote: Svarog
            Quote: Fungus
            He was hounded in the hope of stopping Nord Stream 2 and blaming Putin for it.

            Nonsense of course .. you can stop SP2 without poisoning Navalny .. it's very easy to find 1000 and one reason.
            and Navalny turned out to be a traitor working for Western intelligence services

            And to whom do you refer those who take money offshore, receive English titles, have foreign citizenship or residence permit ... and usually in the camp of the enemy? Are they patriots?

            By the way, "patriot" Semin has a residence permit in the United States and his entire family lives there.
            1. Svarog
              Svarog 20 December 2020 19: 51
              -8
              Quote: Quadro
              By the way, "patriot" Semin has a residence permit in the United States and his entire family lives there.

              I don't know where his family lives .. I know that he lives in Russia .. and he is a journalist, blogger .. and not a person who is in power. In Peskov, in general, the whole family is scattered across Europe .. and he is Putin's secretary .. Brilev is Putin's propagandist, a subject of the English crown.
              Well, there is no need to talk about the "elite" and children in general .. everyone is studying or living there.
          2. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 21 December 2020 03: 21
            +4
            Is it necessary to bring a new thief-Yeltsin aka Navalny to power, because Mr. Svarozhek is bored and tired and generally wanted to move? So what?
        2. nikolaj1703
          nikolaj1703 20 December 2020 19: 53
          +3
          Rubber product.
        3. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 20 December 2020 20: 53
          +4
          Quote: Fungus
          Navalny is just our problem. He was hounded in the hope of stopping Nord Stream 2 and blaming Putin for it.

          Navalny is not my problem, there is no difference between him and our government. Some already eat from the trough, the second only want to eat from the trough. Neither one cares about the "locksmith Vasily Petrovich" or "the janitor Alisher Sakhirzakovich"; none of them expresses my interests. Both are strangers to me.
      2. Zheleznyak
        Zheleznyak 20 December 2020 20: 03
        +13
        muynu beep sick ... do you really care about the fate and life of these people? Would you switch places with them? And in general, there are no problems - there are only opportunities ... what you do not like more specifically, go and do better ... you cannot go silent ... Peace, dear, for all one ... you have your place, but you can change .. and life is beautiful
        regarding the person involved and the patient


        An important detail, the patient, during interrogation in Germany, in his own words, was asked about the medications he was taking ... other questions about the state of the body ...
        everything goes to the fact that it is likely that it will be found out about the use of stimulants, coupled with ethanol and little sleep ... as a result - a breakdown of the dynamic balance of the meditational system in the central nervous system
        there are enough cases in the modern World of developed pharmacology ... a case of coma in such cases quite happens to itself ... sometimes even someone died and who remained disabled ... on the head ...
        judging by the teenage semantics of the inner world of the defendant - look on the network for his story about how he was dying ... the second is quite possible ...

        Well, and the Bundeswehr, found traces of insect control agents on the opposition's underwear (according to the media) (according to the media, this is the same group of substances ...), which the Bundeswehr pointed out ... not a newcomer, but from a group ... a new newcomer ... that is, the old man is a conditional dichlorvos,
        which was used in the hotel - a common world practice of regular treatment of premises to poison cockroaches ...
        and we get good equipment in the hands ... of those close to the Bundeswehr, it's clear who ... and it's clear what we get as a result ...
        although the Bundeswehr did wash his hands ... he did not claim that he was a newcomer and that he was poisoned
        "poisoned"
        it turns out German Chancellor Merkel ... in the sense that it was she, among others, who announced the poisoning of the patient by a novice ...

        that's the whole story of poisoning ... which I am sure will go down in the history of cases of the incredible stupidity of narrow-minded patients ...
        1. ANB
          ANB 20 December 2020 22: 07
          +6
          It means that we ate two half liters of vodka per person, grinded it with 777 port, polished it with beer, and then I poisoned myself with cabbage salad.
          1. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 21 December 2020 03: 24
            +1
            Also, at one time Yushchenko was poisoned: - "We drank cognac before dinner and after 2 bottles I felt bad" ...
      3. Clear
        Clear 20 December 2020 22: 22
        +8
        Quote: Svarog
        As for a serious problem, it is now precisely that it is time for people to decide who they are with?
        Judging by this quote, the only serious problem is that it's time for people to decide who they are? what
        For example, did I decide and the problem went away?

        Quote: Svarog
        With those who have not created anything in 30 years,
        Wow, hold out so much time belay
        Then, in comparison with them, you can lift your finger at 29, and you are already a "hero of labor" repeat

        Quote: Svarog
        with "patriots" who receive titles in England,
        With these, who would refuse !? wassat
        And, you can apply to the English king VISHNE, for the Peerage title, remotely, for Big Ben and Magadan !? I am for!" fellow especially since I live in Russia.

        Quote: Svarog
        with "smart managers" who own the largest yachts
        The limit of everyone's desires wink Oh, you, I suppose not? In vain.

        Quote: Svarog
        and withdraw all the money or "drink blood" over the hill ..
        And what, with money over the "hillock", you can't just drink ... "Martini"? belay

        Quote: Svarog
        the sooner we understand who we are with and what we want,
        So, you tell me what we want, and read out the list, in your opinion, to whom, under the banner of building?
        And, on the one hand - yachts, titles, "smart managers", the elite ... and large sums of money (only winked a little embarrassing to "drink blood", but okay, I agree ..., I trained on my husband ...), and on the other hand - the patients of the schizoclinic request
        What do you think, with such a comparison, who will choose what? crying

        Quote: Svarog
        the sooner we start to get out of this schizoclinic
        Yes, and please show me the Escape Plan crying
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 20 December 2020 23: 03
          -3
          Quote: Clear
          "drink blood", come on, I agree ..., trained on her husband ...)

          Your husband's name is not Roman? He is still here under the nickname Golovan, Cat manuel .. well, in general, he has a lot of different ones .. laughing Painfully the style reminds ..
          Judging by this quote, the only serious problem is that it's time for people to decide who they are? what

          This is a really serious problem .. on the one hand, they are promoting Navalny, on the other, Putin .. both are "true patriots" only one has been "rowing" for 20 years, and the other is trying to take away the paddle .., but about the rest there is silence .. who is under house arrest who have already received a suspended sentence ..
          And, you can apply to the English king VISHNE, for the Peerage title, remotely, for Big Ben and Magadan !? I am for!" fellow especially I live in Russia

          Give it .. if you have important information about your homeland and a large amount of money .. swear allegiance to the British crown .. kiss the queen's hem and voila ..
          and on the other hand, the patients of the schizoclinic request

          Well, how else can you call the situation in the country ... when one "patriot" is more patriotic than the other .. and each of them individually wants to "register" with the "vag" or send their "unloved" children there, so that they can learn from an early age difficulties .. All of them enthusiastically tell that the people are above all for them, but at the same time the standard of living has been falling for seven years in a row and the number of people has been reduced by 500 tons per year .. But they do not raise this topic in their annual video appeals .. much more interesting talk about how the USA, the West, and Ukraine are rotting ..
          1. Clear
            Clear 20 December 2020 23: 39
            +6
            Quote: Svarog
            Your husband's name is not Roman?
            Don't believe winked also Vladimr Vladimirovich yes

            Quote: Svarog
            He is still here under the nickname Golovan, Cat manuel .. well, in general, he has a lot of different ones ..
            Here, the bastard, has already conspired with you, for his alibi. If I don't find him here, then you and he will ... am

            Quote: Svarog
            This is a really serious problem .. on the one hand, they are promoting Navalny, on the other, Putin .. both are "true patriots" only one has been "rowing" for 20 years, and the other is trying to take away the paddle .., but about the rest there is silence .. who is under house arrest who have already received a suspended sentence ..
            Well, so I ask you
            Quote: Clear
            ... tell me what we want, and read out the list, in your opinion, to whom, under the banner of building?


            Quote: Svarog
            Submit ... if you have important information about the Motherland
            Vladimir, I believe you wanted to say "information about the state ..."
            Because only three things can be said about the Motherland:
            1. We call her homeland, because we were born in it;
            2. what we speak in our native language;
            3. and everything in it, for us, is dear!

            Quote: Svarog
            and a large sum of money .. swear allegiance to the British crown .. kiss the queen's hem and voila ...
            Yeah щace, British crown ... fool look for fools among retired KGB officers ... and an intelligent woman does not spend money, but invests it in herself yes

            Quote: Svarog
            it's much more interesting to talk about how the United States, the West, and Ukraine are rotting ..
            Oh, well, not they, alone, can surreptitiously, with pleasure, wait for a well-to-do peasant to catch fire in his barn winked
          2. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 21 December 2020 03: 27
            +3
            What kind of "zealous oppositionists" are sitting under house arrest?
            Not Sasha-Shaman from Yakutia?)))
      4. Intruder
        Intruder 21 December 2020 01: 24
        0
        The time is coming for self-determination, and the sooner we understand who we are with and what we want, the sooner we will begin to get out of this schizoclinic, into which today's "elite" have defined us ..
        and who dragged this "elite" into place, the same people in all sorts of referendums, has been dragging for 30 years (what kind of people are such and boyars), self-determination is good when there is a desire for the one who determines, and if it does not, then practically everything as it is in our time, not this country, but that country has been stubbornly "profiled" since 1991, then the future was "profiled" in a new country, for another three decades, and now we stand at a broken trough and wait for hypothetical self-determination among the people !?
    3. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 December 2020 18: 27
      +2
      Quote: Tatiana
      Both Germans in Germany and Russians perceive "

      And the Tajiks?
  2. nnm
    nnm 20 December 2020 18: 08
    +11
    Honestly reviewed the translations in recent days on InoSMI and foreign press - practically 0 mentions of Navalny. English teenagers - transgender, sp-2, cyberattacks, coronavirus, ecology ... that's it, this character became a playable card and went into a spent deck. Of course, it will do for another pretext for sanctions, but no more. Even the West itself does not see him either in the role of Guaido or Tikhanovskaya. At most, they will try to carry out his return to Russia as "the father of Russian democracy", but it seems that they themselves understand that this is all, here he is no longer interesting either.
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 December 2020 18: 21
      -7
      Quote: nnm
      it seems that they themselves understand that that's all, here he is no longer interesting to anyone either.

      In my opinion, he is interesting only to a certain part of today's "elite" and I have the opinion that that part which is headed by Chubais ..
      But it is also obvious that Chubais and Putin are from the same team .. In other words, as Semin correctly says .. he represents that part of our "patriots" who lack money and power .. but this is one coin and its value is the same .. it does not matter heads or tails it is turned.
      1. nnm
        nnm 20 December 2020 18: 25
        +10
        Colleague, I will tell you my personal opinion, I believe that Navalny was also used and covered by the authorities for many years. More precisely, one of the groups.
        As a result, this game was played by someone else.
        And the fact that Lesha will come to power and the modern "regime" will seem like paradise to us - that's for sure. I haven’t seen such a passion and desire for one-man power as that of Navalny.
    2. Sling cutter
      Sling cutter 20 December 2020 18: 24
      +2
      Quote: nnm
      For another pretext for sanctions, of course, it will do, but no more

      Can you say clearly which new sanctions and for whom?
      1. nnm
        nnm 20 December 2020 18: 29
        +8
        Well .... just from what came to mind - a ban even on short-term lending, sanctions on any companies supplying high-tech equipment or the technology itself, even pressure on the same Swift, etc.
        I believe that sanctions against Russia itself are no longer relevant. But depending on how the United States acts in relation to cn-2, it seems that our partners will be pressed on all fronts.
        Plus, I think - pressure on the courts - so that they would find us guilty of everything - mn17, all the claims of Ukraine, for squeaks, etc. With multibillion-dollar sums, and then to impose orders of execution on the country's foreign assets, as, by the way, has already happened in recent history.
        1. Sling cutter
          Sling cutter 20 December 2020 18: 53
          +3
          Quote: nnm
          Well ... just from what came to mind - even a ban on short-term lending,

          And why are we embarrassed to admit that the sanctions concern personalities of thieves closely associated with the president? This was clearly evidenced by the visit of the Swiss emissary.
          The point is that this citizen, appointed by the "ebna family" to the post of procurator, took away 20 years of development from the country and at the same time continues to destroy the population, science, education, medicine, etc. and now they impose sanctions on him to arrest the Achrinilitrillions stolen from our country. In what matters are the people of the Russian Federation themselves?
          1. nnm
            nnm 20 December 2020 19: 06
            +7
            The simplest example is the sanctions on partners in the joint venture-2 and the ban even on medium-term loans and what does Putin have to do with it, it would seem?
            And the denial of visas to the Crimeans - is this also how Putin is punished, or his family?
            Well, name at least one sanctions in which the name of Putin or his family appears?
            1. Sling cutter
              Sling cutter 20 December 2020 19: 54
              +2
              Quote: nnm
              Well, name at least one sanctions in which the name of Putin or his family appears?

              Well, if questions arise, then look at free. access a list of personalities. And if someone tells me that the subordinate is richer than the chief, well, this is .........
              The second point, he was banned from visiting international competitions, namely the Olympic Games and World Championships, personally, I emphasize!
              And oh, horror, he was not invited to the states.
              If you continue to rave about the greatness of the multi-vector, Duc is your choice.
              1. nnm
                nnm 20 December 2020 20: 02
                +9
                I have asked you direct and basic questions. Stop wagging the fifth point and answer what I ASKED !!!
                And do not talk nonsense that he was banned !!!! 1. Not to him personally, but to the president, prime minister and ministers. All dependencies on surnames. And this was not done by the United States, but by the court. And not in the form of sanctions. Moreover, a clause has been introduced that if there is an official invitation, then the restrictions do not apply. And such events come only by official invitation. 2. Eperny Theater, not invited to the USA !!!! What should have been? And for what? What are the prerequisites for some kind of rapprochement, or what to discuss? You are not from Ukraine for an hour, where everyone is just happy if their big white master strokes the back of the neck ?!
                Therefore, stop talking nonsense.
                1. Sling cutter
                  Sling cutter 20 December 2020 21: 29
                  +3
                  Quote: nnm
                  You are not from Ukraine for an hour, where everyone is just happy if their big white master strokes the back of the neck ?!

                  No, no, no, yajizhydabanderopecheneg and agent of the 125th convoy. But I don’t understand why you put a garbage can on your head?
                  1. nnm
                    nnm 20 December 2020 21: 35
                    +6
                    Yes, consider what you want, believe in what and who you want! Why waste my time with such nonsense? Yes, I absolutely do not mind whether Putin or some other official will go abroad or not. For me - let him work for his country, and not for external manifestations. That Lenin and Stalin rode a lot abroad? And with the latter, the country was at the peak of its power.
                    For me, such processes are an attack by engaged courts on the institutions of my country. And in this case, it doesn't matter to me what the name of the president is, it is important to me that there is systemic pressure on my country. Want to bend and bend is your choice, but not mine. Therefore, I do not need to impose your point of view.
                    1. Sling cutter
                      Sling cutter 20 December 2020 21: 43
                      +3
                      Quote: nnm
                      Putin or any other official to go abroad or not. For me - let him work for his country, and not for external manifestations. H

                      No, no, I'm humble. Now try to prove that the pleshmaster is a master? Three jokes in 20 = th years, in the studio
                    2. Intruder
                      Intruder 21 December 2020 01: 30
                      +2
                      That Lenin
                      Well, this one loved to have a rest in Europe for years, and there Klara and Rosa were in constant accessibility modes :), in the past, women with low social status, by the way, as the Russian guarantor of the new and modernized in all articles of the Constitution likes to say :)
                2. Kushka
                  Kushka 21 December 2020 23: 10
                  0
                  This is where you saw the white "Palestinians"?
                  What is before, or what is Ze?
              2. WIKI
                WIKI 20 December 2020 20: 22
                -6
                Quote: Stroporez
                The second point, he was banned from attending international competitions

                These prohibitions are just flowers. In the future, it is also possible ....:
                1. nnm
                  nnm 20 December 2020 21: 18
                  +11
                  Why are you small things? Put already videos with predictions of a bald Ukrainian fortuneteller, Piontkovsky and other similar characters! Yes, persons in such positions have diplomatic immunity!
                  How many similar stories have already been! Well, okay, if you were a Ukrainian, then no problem - there is already nothing left of gray matter in the skulls for six years thanks to propaganda, but why are you broadcasting such nonsense? Well, it won't be visiting - they will come to him themselves. I don't see a big difference.
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 20 December 2020 22: 27
                    -4
                    Quote: nnm
                    Put already videos with the predictions of a bald Ukrainian fortune teller, Piontkovsky and similar characters

                    Do you have any facts that Karaulov is lying? As far as I know, Karaulov very carefully checks the information before voicing it. hi
                    1. nnm
                      nnm 20 December 2020 22: 57
                      +5
                      lol lol Sorry, colleague, I could not resist!
                      Are you talking about the super-professional Karaulov, who in his "moment of truth", defending his friend, General Dima Yakubovsky (remember this?), Talked about the insidious agents of Rutskoy, who were almost sent to kill Dima? I'm not confusing anything, you are writing about the same character?
                      About the one who, in the same program, told how Rutskoi himself voluntarily surrendered to the Afghans when he was shot down?
                      1. Intruder
                        Intruder 21 December 2020 01: 34
                        0
                        how Rutskoi himself voluntarily surrendered to the Afghans when he was shot down
                        It was probably dull, so he gave up, not everyone can twirl the ring of his grenade checks on his finger and smile in the face of the faithful Taliban soldiers :) Well, it happens that now you can't remake the past of a Soviet officer!
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 December 2020 08: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: nnm
                        protecting your friend

                        I asked about the facts of the lie, not about who, where, and how he defended. wink
                      3. nnm
                        nnm 21 December 2020 10: 31
                        +2
                        Isn't that a lie? So Rutskoi won against him and the court on this fact won, if that. Here is such a beacon of truth and a professional with a capital letter ... an ordinary customer without a drop of conscience.
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 December 2020 10: 55
                        +2
                        Are you familiar with the case file? Was Rutskoi a prisoner? Was. Was he conscious when he was captured? Conscious. Did he have a weapon while doing this? It was. Were there witnesses to the capture of Rutskoi, besides him and the Mujahideen? No. As a result, all arguments are based only on Rutskoi's words.
                        Note that I am not asserting absolutely nothing. So, despite the fact that Karaulov lost the court, his statements from an unbiased point of view are not a lie.
                        Further - if we put aside this case (as absolutely not having the opportunity to be proved or refuted), do you have at least one more fact of Karaulov's lies?
                      5. nnm
                        nnm 21 December 2020 11: 01
                        +1
                        Note that you are giving absolutely crazy innuendo not based on absolutely any documents. And notice how "fortunately" you do not ask questions about what documents Karaulov confirms that Rutskoi hired almost killers.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        do you have at least one more fact of Karaulov's lies?

                        For you personally, I repeat - KARAULOV'S LIES ESTABLISHED BY THE COURT DECISION on the suit of Rutskoi.
                        If you are not in the know, then only the court, on behalf of the Russian Federation, can decide this issue and he spoke out unequivocally.
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 December 2020 11: 11
                        +1
                        Quote: nnm
                        KARAULOV'S LIES ESTABLISHED BY THE COURT DECISION on the suit of Rutskoi.

                        Have you ever sued in the Russian Federation?
                        I gave you the facts that took place during the capture of Rutskoi. There is no way to refute the words of Rutskoi, or to prove them. And the fact that the court took his side - see the first sentence of the commentary. request
                        PS There were more lies behind Putin, and nothing, President. wink
                      7. nnm
                        nnm 21 December 2020 11: 50
                        +1
                        You brought only your own speculations. And nothing more. Everyone around the city was thrown - the courts, Rutskoi, even Putin flew in, one guard was infallible. But in the end, in general, we came to the maxim that since he lies less than others, then he is honest. Super! Here I eat fish, but here I wrap it.
                      8. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 21 December 2020 12: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: nnm
                        But in the end, in general, we came to the maxim that since he lies less than others, then he is honest

                        Let's leave the verbiage, and return to the question, do you have any facts (!) Of Karaulov's lies, except for the muddy story from the furry 90s? According to the information from this video?
                        Quote: nnm
                        what documentary evidence will show in court

                        Once again, did you study the essence of the Rutskoi and Karaulov case?
                  2. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 21 December 2020 11: 34
                    +3
                    In addition, after Rutskoi filed a claim, Karaulov himself sent a letter to the court, in which he asked to satisfy the claim.
                  3. nnm
                    nnm 21 December 2020 11: 51
                    -1
                    Apparently, because he did not lie and knew that in court he would show documentary evidence that he was not a custom-made strip between the media broadcast and General Dima. laughing laughing laughing
    3. WIKI
      WIKI 20 December 2020 22: 37
      -5
      And what has the bald predictor, Ukrainians? The decisions were taken by The Hague and the European Parliament. If you wrote that this is a lie, and provided evidence, I would probably believe you.
      Quote: nnm
      Well, it won't be visiting - they will come to him themselves. I don't see a big difference.

      And who told you that they would come?
      1. nnm
        nnm 20 December 2020 23: 00
        +5
        Will you deign to provide links to such adopted solutions?
        What, the ICC has already announced the verdict, or the decisions of the European Parliament suddenly became binding, right?
        And about coming .... personally for me - but let them not come. Means of communication - the sea. And it's better to deal with problems within the country. But in general - yes, how many of you have already been - one promised to carry out a forceful reception, the second believed that he lived in a different reality, the macron was carrying something there at first, but in the end - they come, and shake hands, and smile in the photo, when they squeeze the star. So you keep your wet fantasies to yourself.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 21 December 2020 13: 04
          0
          Quote: nnm
          What, the ICC has already announced the verdict, or the decisions of the European Parliament suddenly became binding, right?

          All decisions that have been made assume a certain scenario for further development of events. And given the general mood of the West, it will not be positive for Russia. I am discussing a scenario that is possible not as a result of separate statements, but based on the actions taken. I believe that the decision to adopt the bill on the immunity of the former presidents of Russia and their families is a response to the decision of the European Parliament. The decision on the successor will inevitably be made.
          Quote: nnm
          Would you deign to provide links to similar decisions made?

          "The parliamentarians call on the EU authorities" to demand from Russia to cancel or revise all laws that are inconsistent with international standards, including illegal amendments to the Russian Constitution, "the document says. In July, the reform of the Russian Constitution was considered by the Venice Commission of the Council of Europe, which concluded, that she is in breach of obligations "https://www.finanz.ru/novosti/aktsii/evroparlament-obyavil-nezakonnym-prinyatie-popravok-ob-obnulenii-srokov-putina-1029600500
          "The prosecutor's office announced that there are grounds to initiate proceedings on these events."
          https://www.obozrevatel.com/abroad/sud-v-gaage-opublikoval-otchet-o-prestupleniyah-rossii-protiv-ukrainyi.htm
  • zenion
    zenion 20 December 2020 18: 58
    0
    If he is sent to Russia as a revolutionary, let them not forget to put on a leather jacket and give him a Mauser, which is his comrade.
    1. sedoj
      sedoj 20 December 2020 19: 43
      +2
      Quote: zenion
      If he is sent to Russia as a revolutionary, let them not forget to put on a leather jacket and give him a Mauser, which is his comrade.

      Then let them not forget about the closed car. And in transit, without the right to exit, to Kamchatka itself. And no food, no bathroom on the road. With his wife and Mashenka.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 December 2020 19: 20
    +2
    Quote: nnm
    Even the West itself does not see him as either Guaido or Tikhanovskaya. Maximum - they will try to make his return to Russia as "the father of Russian democracy"

    Played version, dropped out of the clip. Despite all the Western help and the efforts of the West, Lyoshyk Novichok is not Kisa Vorbyaninov, and there is no longer any mention of the "giant of thought and the father of Russian democracy." Well, the Russian people did not understand him.
  • WIKI
    WIKI 20 December 2020 20: 12
    -4
    Quote: nnm
    Honestly reviewed the translations in recent days on InoSMI and foreign press - practically 0 mentions of Navalny.

    One thing is not clear, how do you manage to get along with your honesty? https://www.france24.com/en/tag/alexei-navalny/
    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/putin-says-russia-could-have-killed-navalny-had-it-wanted-to/story-TyjoKArEUilAQC23vPHVhJ.html
    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/12/14/europe/russia-navalny-agents-bellingcat-ward/index.html
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/alexei-navalny
    https://ru.euronews.com/2020/12/14/navalny-reax
    https://www.dw.com/ru/o-navalnom-na-press-konferencii-putina-chto-uslyshali-v-berline/a-55979883
    https://www.bbc.com/russian/live/news-53826393
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 20 December 2020 21: 10
    +1
    Quote: nnm
    Even the West itself does not see him in the role of Guaido or Tikhanovskaya. The maximum is that they will try to make his return to Russia as "the father of Russian democracy", but it seems that they themselves understand that this is all, here he is no longer interesting either.

    I think that you are wrong, Navalny and Dud, this is one field of berries, look who is Dud's guest, look at the number of views of Navalny channels.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2020 18: 08
    +8
    Everyone tries for his own, tries to attract the masses to his side!
    I wonder if someone is ready to go over to the side of the masses?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 December 2020 18: 22
      -4
      Quote: rocket757
      I wonder if someone is ready to go over to the side of the masses?

      This is a really interesting question .. do we have true patriots among the siloviki? In the upper echelons, most likely not.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 December 2020 18: 32
        +5
        Any question is easier to consider if you break it down into its constituents!
        What is patriotism, what is it / is it?
        Security officials, what are they and who, what provides, what influences?
        Top, what are they and who, what influences?
        The interests of the country, what they are and who, what interests it expresses and defends.
        The masses, what they are and what part of what they want.
        You can still ask a lot of questions, but where to find answers to them, this is already ... a lot, a lot, work to figure it out.
        I would like to take the right side .... but where is this side, so clear, real ???
    2. zenion
      zenion 20 December 2020 18: 59
      +2
      As in the old days they said: the priest sings his own, and the devil sings his.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 20 December 2020 19: 26
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      I wonder if someone is ready to go over to the side of the masses?

      The main thing is to get the electorate, but not the people on their side. And all the masses, be they the people, the electorate, etc., are needed only to achieve their goal - to become the "Fuhrer" of this masses.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 December 2020 20: 30
        +5
        Therefore, now there is simply nothing to choose.
        Their interests, our aspirations, oh how far apart.
        1. depressant
          depressant 22 December 2020 00: 23
          +1
          That's right! And then I read, read ... What do people argue about? Everything is empty!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 22 December 2020 07: 15
            +1
            Welcome soldier
            You have to live in the present, strive for the future, BUT, never forget the past!
            A simple but reliable philosophy ... there is no need to complicate the simple, but it is better to disassemble the complex "bit by bit" to simple, understandable ideas and values. circumstances.
  • pyc.arpeccop tornado 150
    pyc.arpeccop tornado 150 20 December 2020 18: 40
    +1
    It is necessary to make efforts and carry out a complete debilling so that the TseRsRushniki do not fight so freely here.
  • t-12
    t-12 20 December 2020 18: 51
    +2
    “My heart sank,” writes one of the eyewitnesses of those events.

    Some of them are too sensitive in Ramstein. At other bases, exercises were carried out many times, and nothing froze in anyone.

  • zenion
    zenion 20 December 2020 18: 56
    0
    Russia did not cope with the task. The West needed Navalny dead, but in Russia he was given an antidote to all poisons and they could not poison him there.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 20 December 2020 19: 00
    +4
    When I see dull, glassy eyes, like Navalny's, I feel an unpleasant feeling.
    1. aleksejkabanets
      aleksejkabanets 20 December 2020 21: 34
      +2
      Quote: tihonmarine
      When I see dull, glassy eyes, like Navalny's, I feel an unpleasant feeling.

      Do you think Sechin's eyes look better? For me, he has an "interesting" face.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 December 2020 09: 17
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Do you think Sechin's eyes look better?

        They have different eyes, Sechin, Rockefeller, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos.
  • swan49
    swan49 20 December 2020 19: 03
    +2
    In all this movement with Navalny's latest video, I was interested in one question - will he or will not receive his 8 years for this "investigation"? I don't care if he collected this information himself or if someone gave it to him. But from the "great" mind, Navalny said that the information was obtained in an illegal way and therefore could not be used by him in court. At the same time, he apparently forgot that the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation contains Art. 283.1 "Illegal receipt of information constituting a state secret", part 2 of which, and he falls under it in full, provides for imprisonment for a term of 3 to 8 years.
    I always believed that he would never be touched, since he, most likely, plays the role of either the modern priest Gapon or the modern Azef. True, both the Socialist Revolutionaries finally spanked. And then it turns out that he, together with Singers, started an investigation of Putin's work in Dresden during his business trip to the GDR. Therefore, I sit comfortably at the monitor and wait for the appearance of the "battle group of SRs". Or …?
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 21 December 2020 01: 39
      0
      Therefore, I sit comfortably at the monitor and wait for the appearance of the "battle group of SRs". Or …?
      Finally, they will find the correct dosage and plump with the firm hand of a loyal security officer into a glass of coffee in a German restaurant, well, maybe they just hire a local German gopor (a skin, a marginal activist, we choose for every taste and wallet) and a bat on the back of the head, in a dark alley , there are a lot of options how to get rid of the truth-lover!
  • Galleon
    Galleon 20 December 2020 21: 43
    +2
    Previous comment - 19.03. My line is 21.41. Apparently, Sunday evening "five minutes" of hatred is over. Hang up.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 20 December 2020 21: 53
    +7
    Quote: Stroporez

    The point is that this citizen, appointed by the "ebna family" to the post of procurator, took away 20 years of development from the country and at the same time continues to destroy the population, science, education, medicine, etc.

    Until 2000, there was apparently development and prosperity. Are you not delusional? Oh, excuse me, saints of the nineties. Maybe you forgot what state the country was in at that time?
  • Tagan
    Tagan 20 December 2020 21: 56
    +5
    Quote: tihonmarine
    When I see dull, glassy eyes, like Navalny's, I feel an unpleasant feeling.

    Apparently the coke does not leave it)))
  • Tagan
    Tagan 20 December 2020 22: 09
    +1
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: rocket757
    I wonder if someone is ready to go over to the side of the masses?

    This is a really interesting question .. do we have true patriots among the siloviki? In the upper echelons, most likely not.

    It looks very comical when you personally start exploiting the theme of patriotism. Like, with a pain in your heart you talk about the fate of the Rossiyushka. Do you have a discord with your conscience?
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 20 December 2020 23: 29
      -4
      Quote: Tagan
      Do you have a discord with your conscience?

      And you?
    2. Woodman
      Woodman 21 December 2020 07: 57
      0
      Quote: Tagan
      Do you have a discord with your conscience?

      First you need to find out: is there a conscience there?
  • Warrior MorePhoto
    Warrior MorePhoto 20 December 2020 23: 54
    +3
    And why for a post on social networks they start a criminal case and put them in prison, and there is generally silence on the situation with poisoning ...
    The second is who and how will be responsible for the investigation. there is a fact and there are surnames, there is the involvement of people, especially since they are all chemists-doctors ... where is the answer? where is the investigation? who are these people and the reasons for their persecution (although it is understandable)
    In Russia, it has become so that a bunch of those who have grasped power are ruling and doing what they want, starting from the prices of macaros with a huge harvest, retirement age, taxes for EVERYTHING! (If someone does not know now when buying shoes, each person pays Usmanov 50 kopecks ... this is now 50 kopecks, in a couple of years we will pay 4-5 times more, the same applies to clothes, also according to the same scheme), everyone was gagged , it is impossible to offend and speak badly about them, this is a criminal offense now, and so on and so on ...
    I am shocked by those quivering here with foam at the mouth ... take a picture of where and what you live in, tell me honestly your salaries, your pensions or your mothers and fathers ...
    ps
    New Year's Eve again increase in prices for utilities, transport and existing taxes + waiting for new taxes

    And the new government will be again like it was the Minister of Sports, became the Minister of Construction ... we are waiting for the revival of Dimka Medvedev
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 21 December 2020 01: 44
      +2
      not cool, but what did you want, revolutionary gatherings, and IEDs in the windows of armored limousines, or shooters of the liberation army of Russia! ??? Such a country has become, and it will be even worse and worse ... and without this there is no way, until part of the population ceases to be in fact democratic patients who love to watch TV and fight, with each other in kitchens or other liberal-alternative elements! :)) ) Well, it's all about an alternative Universe, so fantastic, but in the reality of our time everything is always much worse, .. unfortunately for us!
  • Tagan
    Tagan 21 December 2020 06: 46
    -3
    Quote: Svarog
    Quote: Tagan
    Do you have a discord with your conscience?

    And you?

    I don’t sell my homeland, unlike some people, and I don’t screw it up at every corner. Although, judging by your posts, one might doubt that you are a Russian.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 December 2020 06: 53
    +1
    Not a single propagandist will do what the pandemic has done. Some begin to think, and many turn back. Confused time, confused thoughts. Some shout, they say, what are you talking about when so many people are sick. Others - liberalism is to blame for everything. Third - Biden is the devil of liberalism. Maybe it is, but the state of America itself did not stand next to the liberals. Never. All this dirt is let down on the people, but other countries have long felt its craving for freedom. And inside there are such tools for suppression that Someone will be jealous. At all times we were accused of poisoning and various dirty deeds. The only question is how to present this to our people. In the form of countless shows. Or just keep quiet. Countries that value their authority prefer the latter.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 21 December 2020 08: 31
    +1
    Quote: Lesovik
    Quote: Tagan
    Do you have a discord with your conscience?

    First you need to find out: is there a conscience there?

    I think this setting is quite relevant.)))
  • kig
    kig 21 December 2020 10: 12
    0
    [b] "poisoning" of the Skripals b] - is that right in brackets? That is, there was no poisoning? And there were no 50 victims except for the Skripals?
    1. iouris
      iouris 21 December 2020 22: 48
      -1
      Have you personally suffered? Go to court.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 21 December 2020 23: 26
    0
    Stalin had his own maneuver — to slap Trotsky.
    Well, there are layouts! The world's first state of workers
    and peasants, 1/6 sushi !!!, world revolution! So
    then STALIN !, So then TROTSKY!
    And what's that? Manechka of greatness? History repeats itself
    in the form of a farce? VVP - well, anyone, well, never
    Stalin, and this half-dead cockroach Navalny, well
    microbe, infusoria-shoe. A pitiful farce
    disgrace. The bottom is shorter.