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"To practice the possible detection of stealth fighters": Su-30 planes were involved in training in China

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In China were held aviation training sessions in which a comprehensive attack on conventional enemy aircraft was practiced. These aircraft, according to the training scenario, tried to invade the airspace of the PRC.


It is known that during the training, several variants of the fighters in service with China were involved. In particular, these are Russian Su-30s, as well as J-10 fighters of their own production.

In this case, the role of a conditional enemy was played by the fifth generation fighters of the PLA Air Force J-20, as well as “conditional computer tags”. According to some reports, these tags imitated the F-16 and Mirage2000 fighters.

The Chinese media are discussing why this particular configuration of training for Chinese pilots was chosen by the command. Regarding the tags imitating the F-16 and Mirage2000, it is said that this was a practice of air combat against combat aircraft that are part of the Taiwan Air Force. To date, the Taiwanese air force has more than fifty French Mirage2000 fighters and almost 150 F-16 fighters of various modifications in its composition.

A separate question is why the J-20 was used as a conditional enemy?

The Chinese press indicates that this fifth generation fighter served as the American F-35. The reports say that the ability to detect these aircraft in the event that they get as close as possible to China's air borders was being worked out in the sky. In this regard, the involvement of the Su-30 in maneuvers looks significant. It is possible that China took into account at least two cases when the Su-30MKI of the Indian Air Force discovered the new generation of J-20 fighters. In such a situation, the Su-30 and J-10 tandem was used as a single system to identify the target and its possible subsequent destruction.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 20 December 2020 13: 18
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    A separate question is why the J-20 was used as a conditional enemy?
    Quite logical, "invisible" belay
    tandem Su-30 and J-10 was used as a single system for identifying the target and its possible subsequent destruction
    Let the kids play around so they don't cry. repeat
  2. grandfather_Kostya
    grandfather_Kostya 20 December 2020 13: 18
    +4
    I remember the Chinese and Indian versions of the Su-30 with different locators.
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 20 December 2020 13: 21
    +4
    So Sushki saw their "invisible", or not? What, in fact, is the article about? What Su 30 see Chinese invisibles, or?
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    2. Runoway
      Runoway 20 December 2020 21: 31
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      Duc in life will not tell !!! More than sure that the J-20 is no more than the mock-ups of nuclear missiles in the Khrushchev parade
      Maximum 4th generation on Russian export engines:
      - Judging by the glider, there can be no super-maneuverability
      - judging by our engines, there is no question of any output to supersonic without afterburner
      - stealth ?! Even Hindus question
      -AFAR ?! - where did they get it
      - extra-long-range explosive rockets, too
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 21 December 2020 00: 26
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        J-20 produced anywhere from 30 to 50 pieces.
        The Chinese have been making AFARs for a long time. The whole plant is serially producing AFARs.
        You overslept. fellow China has become a superpower.
        Everyone will have to put up with this, like it or not.
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 21 December 2020 01: 56
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          The Chinese have been making AFARs for a long time. The whole plant is serially producing AFARs

          So there is such a plant in the Moscow region. Huge! Exactly by plane ... But you won't find a line about it anywhere ... So believe that Russia does not have AFAR, well, no ... KRET plows like sled bobs, but we have nothing wassat
          1. Runoway
            Runoway 21 December 2020 11: 20
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            KRET plows

            Yeah, but the instrument panel in Ryazan is being killed, global cuts and beggars are
        2. Runoway
          Runoway 21 December 2020 11: 19
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          Okay, they are like the 5th generation doing (I already explained point by point)
          In addition to AFAR, are there arguments on other points?
          And the second question, what kind of AFAR they have, has anyone seen it except the Chinese, is it even famous for its export version for anything?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 21 December 2020 11: 29
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            Even the simple J-10B, which is exported to Pakistan, has AFAR.
            ---
            The J-20 undoubtedly has stealth in the frontal plane. Somewhere on the level of the Su-57. Not F-35, but still ...
            ----
            They began to install their engines on the J-20. They may have less resource, but the thrust is normal. At the level of the Su-35
            1. Runoway
              Runoway 21 December 2020 12: 29
              +1
              Is the presence of AFAR and engines at the SU-35 level this 5th generation ????
    3. hydrox
      hydrox 21 December 2020 01: 47
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      Admitting this to the Chinese is the same as publicly emasculating on Tian Anmen! lol
      And an excuse to repurpose your Aviation Industry for production of buttons and dishes.
  4. svp67
    svp67 20 December 2020 13: 26
    +5
    A separate question is why the J-20 was used as a conditional enemy?
    Well, they have their own calculation, but here is a double benefit. And they trained their Su-30 crews in the fight against "invisibles", and trained their "invisibles" in countering the Su-30 ... erroneous ...
  5. Note
    Note 20 December 2020 13: 51
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    The Chinese, despite all the praises of their aviation industry, know very well that their real planes are Russians. A :-) everything else is for the image
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 20 December 2020 14: 17
      -1
      You are wrong, the Su-30 for the Chinese has long been an aircraft with mediocre characteristics, their J-10C is noticeably more modern
      1. Note
        Note 20 December 2020 14: 55
        +1
        Is your car accidentally made in China?
        1. strelokmira
          strelokmira 20 December 2020 15: 37
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          Is your car accidentally made in China?

          And you have a dear friend, PC, laptop, smartphone, etc. not made in China, share)
          1. Note
            Note 20 December 2020 16: 09
            +1
            Mostly Korean, but there is something from China and Taiwan. To tell the truth, they don't work very well. But the level of the smartphone is not the level of the military-industrial complex. Or do you think that the same technologies are everywhere and everywhere? Well, they allowed China to become microelectronics, learned to copy. Have you heard anything about new products made in China superior to products from the USA, Korea or Japan? Maybe some new products with processors superior to products from the above countries? New screen matrices? Or maybe something that transfers data many times faster or expands the scope? I'm sure you didn't. Because it doesn't.
            1. Note
              Note 20 December 2020 16: 19
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              And by the way, what about the Chinese civil aviation? Probably all of the aircraft made in China? And they probably sell thousands for export? Did not hear? And I didn't hear. Approximately like we only have even less of our own.
            2. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 20 December 2020 16: 20
              +1
              you just did not delve into the study of this issue, all information is available, try to objectively compare the Su-30 and J-10C and you will understand what I mean, I am not writing anything about the J-20, there are many incomprehensible things, but we have nothing at all on the subject of stealth no, zero
              1. Note
                Note 20 December 2020 16: 28
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                I would not compare them at all, completely different cars, and in general, what is Chinese about it? China then where? It is easier then to compare modifications f16 and su 30.
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 20 December 2020 16: 33
                  +1
                  everything is Chinese in it, initially no one except the Chinese did it, the Pope did not allow the Jews, so they had to sell all the Lavi developments to China, and the Chinese are successfully developing it, as a result, the latest version is quite at the level of Raphal, Eurofighter, F-16 of the latest modification
                  1. Note
                    Note 20 December 2020 16: 38
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                    What is all this? Glider? Engine? Avionics and radar? It's just a copy. We argue about nothing.
                    1. _Ugene_
                      _Ugene_ 20 December 2020 16: 41
                      +1
                      a copy of what? this is initially an excellent project of an aircraft based on the F-16, but more modern, and no one except China did it, you can argue about our and Chinese avionics, there we are undoubtedly behind China, the only thing in which China has not yet caught up with us is the engines, but and it's on the way
                      and what difference does it make to a pilot in battle if he flies on a "copy" of something there or not, the main thing is combat effectiveness
                      1. Note
                        Note 20 December 2020 16: 53
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                        Glider copy f 16, engine copy al 31 f, radar copy of Russian afar, which I don’t even know that we leaked the last to them there. Jewish-French avionics. Well, that is, a copy. And yes, the Chinese plane agrees. Yes, in general, it really does not matter, for Chinese pilots, China has a lot of them
                      2. _Ugene_
                        _Ugene_ 20 December 2020 16: 58
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                        taking the best from all over the world and assembling a finished product from it is a very effective way, you won't say that the Jewish Merkava is a bad tank, will you? One of the best in the world, at least for its conditions, but what is Israeli? concept, and everything else was collected from the world on a string, but Israeli tankers do not care, they fight remarkably on it and there are practically no losses
                      3. Note
                        Note 20 December 2020 17: 06
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                        Well, what is the point of this dispute for the sake of dispute? Even if China has very poor performance in technology, they will take quantity.
                      4. Note
                        Note 20 December 2020 17: 10
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                        And yes, I agree about the merkava. The tank is good. A good design school is visible. Even a few.
        2. hydrox
          hydrox 21 December 2020 01: 56
          +1
          And why do we need this stealth, if Fushki Containers are seen at the other end of Europe and are always happy to give a bearing to it to anyone. lol
      2. strelokmira
        strelokmira 21 December 2020 17: 35
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        Well, they allowed China to become microelectronics, learned to copy. Have you heard anything about the novelties of the production of the People's Republic of China superior products from the USA, Korea or Japan? Maybe some new products with processors superior to products from the above countries?

        Yes, my friend lagged behind in life, you probably did not even hear about the Kirin mobile processor, where did you come from (and this small Chinese developer in the top segment competes with the famous market leader Snapdragon by pulling a blanket over himself)
        We decided to talk about matrices, come on https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2020-09-04_revolyutsiya_v_mire_displeev
        So what do you say, there are no developments? winked
        About data transmission began to sing, where Huawei is the leader in the development of 5g equipment, and creates networks around the world, even Europe is forced to buy their equipment for its networks
        So China has everything, get out of your information cocoon
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 20 December 2020 18: 49
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    Where does this information come from? Proof, please.
  • Note
    Note 20 December 2020 14: 48
    +2
    Yes, yes, the same can be said about tanks and rocket launchers, and indeed a lot of things. The only advantage of China, they have a lot of everything. After all, you do not even know approximately the characteristics of this technique, this is a terrible "military" secret. But in fact, all the characteristics are extremely overstated. China loves to cheat very much. They learned this from the same USA and surpassed them.
    1. _Ugene_
      _Ugene_ 20 December 2020 16: 23
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      After all, you do not even know approximately the characteristics of this technique, this is a terrible "military" secret. But in fact, all the characteristics are extremely overestimated.
      to say so, you really need to know that they are overestimated, and we can only assume this, but if they turn out to be underestimated? You don't work in the Chinese military-industrial complex to know the answer to this question?
  • rocket757
    rocket757 20 December 2020 14: 02
    +3
    Normal workouts .... use what is, not what you want.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 20 December 2020 15: 40
      +1
      The focus of these trainings is interesting ... Especially "electronic tags" ...
      Whatever one may say, but Taiwan is still on the agenda of the Celestial Empire.
      I wonder if the States will risk selling their F-35s to Taipei? After all, there are also Chinese, and I am far from sure that all of them are for capital. Can and pass the secrets of nah vaterland, comrade Xi.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 20 December 2020 15: 49
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        What do we really know about Taiwan ???
        Do we have experts who boldly express an opinion on the confrontation between China and Taiwan? They do not just speak, but also give a serious justification for their statements.
        I have not heard anything like it.
        I don't want to be guided by the media.
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 20 December 2020 16: 17
          +2
          Quote: rocket757
          What do we really know about Taiwan ???
          Do we have experts who boldly express an opinion on the confrontation between China and Taiwan?

          Victor, hi
          Read the materials of the Chinese comrades. At the official level (in the documents of the party congress!) They have set the task of "uniting the homeland" under the banner of Mao Zedong's ideas (unlike us, whales honor their leaders, even those who have gone to a better world, another world). Against this Yankees. They first allowed the PRC to implement the "one country, two systems" idea. But then they realized what it would ultimately lead to and began to work backwards, creating chaos in the Republic of China. We looked at the reaction ... And realized: - "the plane has no reverse gear!" Babama was the first to realize this, then Tram-pam-pam. Now it is up to Baedown to play along with the old woman Pillo-See in the US House of Representatives.
          So, everything is on the surface.
          After Taiwan, the next step is to return Japan's debts. And they are well aware of this. Therefore, they cling to the striped ones, like a drowning man to a blade. We all silently support it for the "joy" of the hegemon and his mongrels in the APR.
          How else? - Otherwise, well, you can't!
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 20 December 2020 17: 50
            +1
            The Chinese theme is long-lasting.
            I don't think that something will change there in the future.
            What and how the minke whales will do .... time will tell.
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  • Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 20 December 2020 14: 51
    +2
    The teachings are correct! Exercises against a technically superior conditional enemy are triple correct!
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 21 December 2020 10: 43
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    Does China have their own radars on the Su30? Or Russian PFAR?
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