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A land of unchanging paradigms?

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Ladies invite gentlemen to a white dance. Photo of the 1900s. What are you thinking?


What is invariable in this world?
What is permanent in this world?
How deceitful, shaky, perishable everything is,
How changeable and strange.

("The Book of Death" Igor Neveliky)

Paradoxes stories. How often do we like to repeat, demonstrating in front of others our importance and ability to think critically, that, they say, nothing has changed in our country, although the changes are clearly evident. For example, about the painful ...

In the old days free of charge, my teeth with pulpitis were treated without anesthesia. Therefore, I went to the dentists only as a last resort. Now ... first the injection site is anesthetized, and only then it is injected with a needle. A blood test and an ultrasound scan were done in just one hour, without any queue. Yes, the X-ray had to wait ... an hour - the influx of visitors was great and pay. But that's not so much. In a word, everything is as it has always been: for some, the soup is liquid, and for some, pearls are small.

But what happens if you also go to the archive? And look through old newspapers and magazines, say, for the last ¬¬50-100 years? Of course, this is a troublesome business and requires a lot of free time, but on the other hand, you will learn so many interesting things that it is clearly worth it.

Well, for example, you can make an amazing discovery that Russia is a country in which a lot has changed during all this time, except for the basic paradigms of its development. That is, the paradigms of social development are the directions in which it is going, what they were, and they remain so for many, many years.

"Niva" magazine about people's choices


How we love to criticize our Duma and our deputies, although ... we ourselves elect them there. Like, they broke away from the people, do not make up a whole with them, they pay themselves money on purpose ...

But here we have the magazine "Niva" No. 17 for 1916. And there is an article "The Decade of the State Duma". We open it and read:

“Russia and her chosen ones do not yet constitute something single and indivisible, that in them it has not yet found its inner image ... the spiritual“ I ”, has not acquired the highest organ of national will and thought, which it serves for every nation his parliament.

What is the reason for such a strange phenomenon? It lies very deep, in the very depths of our cultural and social system. With different cultural backgrounds of the lower and upper strata of the population, it is quite difficult to achieve unity ... ideals. It is easier to be called a constitutional or parliamentary state than to really become one. "

We will open any modern edition - a magazine or a website devoted to socio-political issues. And we will find there all the same reproaches, only, perhaps, expressed in slightly different words. The only difference is that our Duma is already somewhat older than the one discussed in the article.

"Leadership" of the former sailor Blyudnikov


Well, who of us at VO did not meet praises in honor of Comrade Stalin and appeals,

"So that he would come and save everyone"?

However, even in the blessed 70s and 80s of the last century, there were also enough statements that we, they say, lack such a leader. Now they say that it would be nice to clone it using genetic engineering and we will be fine! But ... we dreamed of such "good leaders" that all our "sisters will receive earrings" before, and the same peasants. And not someday, but during the revolution of 1905-1906.

So, in the fall of 1906 the newspaper "Kharkovskie vedomosti" published a letter from the peasant K. Blyudnikov, who sailed as a sailor on the battleship "Retvizan", from the village of Belenkoye, Izyumsky district, Kharkov province. And this is what he wrote there, addressing the rebels:

“Firstly, brothers-peasants, if you drank less, you would be 10 times richer. The estates of the nobles were acquired by hard work. And what? The peasants are going to destroy all this, and is it Christian ?! "

“I, being in navy, was everywhere, and nowhere did I see that the government gave land ... Appreciate this and stand breast for your king and heir. The sovereign is our Supreme Leader. "

However, this was a smart peasant Blyudnikov, you will not say anything, although he considered the tsar for the leader. Try to manage at least a couple of oil rigs ... Oh, how hard it is. And we again stand up for taking away and dividing. And who will lead the split - the “sofa experts” from the VO? Or will the genius of Comrade Grudinin be enough for the whole country? And he will punish all the bad ones, but will he reward the good ones who have retained the faith in "sicism" in their souls? It's not even funny to believe in such a thing.

That's how they shot then, and now they shoot


Today we are shocked by reports that something here and there is shooting. Either the policeman started firing in the supermarket, the husband shot his wife, and then he committed suicide, and for some reason we are loudly indignant:

"This is where it came to be."

But it was all the same before. For example, on January 4, 1918, the Penza newspaper "Our Way" reported that

“The junior assistant to the head of the 3rd police station, Panarin, got drunk on December 30 and began firing a revolver along and across Rozhdestvenskaya Street, thereby putting the lives of the citizens passing through it in mortal danger. On Moskovskaya Street, a crowd of citizens detained him and took him to police station No. 2, and there they drew up a protocol against him. "

So this is a kind of tradition for Russian police officers to get drunk and shoot at people. This happened, for sure, not only in the city of Penza. But it is necessary to look at this in the archives of the subjects of the Federation, and who will be doing this today? Even pensioners from VO to visit their regional archive cannot be convinced under any circumstances. Even those who do not work.

By the way, in the USSR, one pilot on an airplane decided to end his wife by crashing into her apartment in an An-2. It happened in Novosibirsk on September 26, 1976, and at the same time 11 people died, completely not involved in their family problems. But it is clear that nothing was reported in the media. Otherwise, it could have happened that someone would have decided to ram the unfaithful wife on a combat plane.

The fate of the "three-window wings"


It is interesting that all reforms to weaken state oppression in Russia, in general, always began in the same way.

Doctor Diatropov, in his article published in the newspaper "Penza Provincial News" in 1863 (that is, only two years after the abolition of serfdom), wrote:

“In your city walk, you notice that in many three-window outbuildings (a three-window wing in those years is a standard three-window city house), the middle window is being converted into a door, above which a white inscription on a red background is already ready:" Drink and take away. "

But after 1991, didn't it all start with the same? Although there was a difference, yes. But only in the fact that instead of three-window outbuildings for the same one, apartments located on the first floors of high-rise buildings were used. They opened offices, hairdressers, but more often - snack bars, bars and pubs. Because what kind of reform is this if without drinking?

Three "cheapest" professions in Russia


Not everyone will answer the question about the cheapest professions in Russia. Although all the teachers and doctors will be named. And this is not surprising, because we have always been like this. True, “under Putin” the military salaries were finally raised to a decent level, but inflation has also substantially raised it today.

But in 1812, officers in the Russian imperial army received so little that they literally barely made ends meet. They, poor fellows, were forbidden to marry until they received the rank of captain, since they simply could not support their wife on an officer's salary (lower in rank). Moreover, the class lady in the gymnasium then received 30 rubles a month, and the warrant officer - 25.

Bunin, Kuprin, and Chekhov wrote with bitterness about the hardships of all these professions. Also, newspapers and magazines of those years reported on the heavy share of Russian officers and doctors constantly, and their pay was compared with the pay of officers in Germany, France and England. And everywhere it was not in favor of Russia.

Well, the peasants even considered the teachers of rural schools to be parasites and did not want to support them. In any case, this was the opinion of the peasants of the village of Tarkhova in the Penza province in 1918. The local newspaper reported that

“They dreamed that, firstly, they would return at least an inferior tsar; secondly, to disperse all employees of the zemstvo volost council; well, and also ... they wanted to close the school and destroy the forest that lay nearby. "

Every third person committed crimes in Ingushetia


Today our media are very fond of painting the horrors of "the criminalization of our society" and that, they say, our crime is constantly growing. But in the patriarchal Russian Empire it was no better with this.

According to statistics, in 1914, every third citizen of the empire received criminal experience. Moreover, the growth rate of crime was 10 times higher than the growth rate of the country's population. And this is by no means the data of the Bolshevik agitators, but ... of the archive of the then Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs. Obviously, it was believed that there was nothing to hide - a matter of everyday life. However, and then, after the revolution, there was also enough crime ... *

Child prostitution. Alas, today we have a place. But this has already happened before. And to what extent? Thus, by the beginning of the First World War, child prostitution in Russia accounted for 23% of the total number of prostitutes of that time.

Was in Russia in 1914 and introduced the "dry law", but only it was also constantly violated. For example, in 1917, a shinkar in central Russia had to bring only a pood of flour and a garnet of potatoes, and from this he drove vodka, which was enough for eight bottles, and he took ... three for his work. And the price of a bottle of vodka at that time was from 3 to 7 rubles.

It was not done with prostitution in Soviet times **, about which there are a number of defended theses in history. And in them, too, everything is based on data from our archives.

Patriotic education: the problem a hundred years later


Many of us today grieve that

"Young people are not what they used to be."

And most importantly, it is corrupted by modern cinema and the Internet. Damned foreign language filled everything, but she is not interested in reading about Pavlik Morozov and Zina Portnova. But you know, exactly the same problem existed 100 years ago.

We read the newspaper "Penza Gubernskiye Vesti" No. 6 for 1910:

“The catalog (we are talking about the catalog of children's literature published by the publishing house MO Wolf. - Ed.) there are 114 pages and more than 1000 titles, and what do we see there ?! A lot of books from the life of Western European (as in the text) peoples, Americans, Asians, the novels of J. Verne, Cooper, Mariet, Mein-Reed and almost nothing about the Russian people ...

Charskaya's books, when the highlanders are fighting for freedom - this is possible. But when Russia is fighting the Tatars ... it is harmful! From this dominance of foreignism, the child becomes a foreigner at heart, and there is nothing surprising that our children grow up as enemies of their homeland. "

Directly word for word from the speeches of some State Duma deputies and ... commentators on VO, only it was written 110 years earlier. That is, the vector of interests of young people has practically not undergone any changes, only books have replaced the Internet and cinema today.

By the way, when the 1914 war broke out, everyone went to fight. Regardless of who read what books. What is there to do? Summoned ...

But something very much has changed


True, there is a sphere in which the changes have even affected the very mentality of our entire Russian masses. For example, all researchers of our society at the beginning of the twentieth century unanimously noted that Russian prostitutes have a purely national lack of understanding of their craft as a profession, which ultimately became the cause of their tragedy. But with the prostitutes from abroad, who specially (!) Came to Russia to work, it was not at all like that.

Ours explained that they were engaged in "this" because they were seduced by the "son of the owner", "the owner himself", "the passing officer", in a word - they are victims! Foreign prostitutes looked at their occupation as a business, did not allow themselves too much, tried not to drink as much as possible, saved money, and then they came back, got married and then led a calm and righteous life. Ours, by virtue of their "sacrifice", began to abuse alcohol, they did not save money for the future, and therefore gradually sank lower and lower, and as a result, they died from drunkenness and consumption under the fence. And only now, "fortunately," they also look at "it" in the same way, although AIDS has been added to all other diseases.

As under the tsar, and under the general secretaries, reforms fall on our heads like the butt of an ax. Nobody discusses them in advance, work with the population on their approval is not carried out, their significance for the country is largely not explained. It is clear that referendums every month, as in Switzerland, are from the realm of fantasy. That is, this paradigm has remained unchanged.

So “to change Russia today” means, first of all, to go beyond these traditional for our society and already dilapidated paradigms. In the meantime, it turns out that the revolution, and the civil war, and all the other difficulties and hardships, our people experienced only in order to ... change the consciousness of our whores? In terms of social development, this "achievement", of course, has an epochal significance! Now the matter is small: raise the wages of all the lowest paid social groups to the foreign level, raise pensions, and then ... - yes, we will become a completely different country!


Additional scientific literature on the topic:

* Organizational and legal basis for combating crime in the RSFSR in 1921-1929. The topic of the dissertation and author's abstract for the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 12.00.01, Candidate of Legal Sciences Zakhartsev, Sergey Nikolaevich, 2006, Tambov; The process of criminalization of Russian society and its impact on the deviant behavior of young people. The topic of the dissertation and the abstract of the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 22.00.04, candidate of sociological sciences Merzakanov, Sergey Aytechevich, 2003, Novocherkassk.

** Everyday life of Soviet cities - drunkenness, prostitution, crime and the fight against them in the 1920s: Based on materials from the Penza province. The topic of the dissertation and author's abstract on the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, Candidate of Historical Sciences Panin, Stanislav Evgenievich, 2002, Penza; The main forms of deviant behavior of the population of the Samara province during the new economic policy: 1921–1929. The topic of the dissertation and the abstract for the Higher Attestation Commission of the Russian Federation 07.00.02, Candidate of Historical Sciences Mankevich, Alla Anatolyevna, 2007, Samara.
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  1. apro
    apro 22 December 2020 15: 09
    +24
    I didn't quite understand what the author wanted to say .... the Russian people have come to a pristine state? Is it a Russian civilizational way to ride a rake? The communists have not walked much ... which is not typical.
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 22 December 2020 16: 42
      +41
      Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky with this article wants to say, you are all criminals and only the grave will correct you. What then, what now. And the times of the USSR with a sharp decrease in crime were bypassed by a dashing maneuver. Can you imagine how scary it was in the USSR, there militiamen walked without weapons and truncheons, and in militia departments the windows were like in shops - display cases. You are walking the right path of agitation for capitalism, Mr. Gauleiter Shpakovsky.
      1. apro
        apro 22 December 2020 16: 49
        +5
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky with this article wants to say, you are all criminals and only the grave will correct you.

        Yes, it is not so simple gShpakovsky. He cannot formulate the civilizational bond of the territory of Russia and therefore he is somewhat chattering in different directions ...
        1. Silhouette
          Silhouette 23 December 2020 12: 30
          +5
          Shpakovsky is a compiler. To formulate something you need to have brains.
      2. Esoteric
        Esoteric 22 December 2020 16: 58
        -39%
        There was no sharp drop in crime under the USSR. My father and grandfather told me that in the days of your adored leader, to go out in the evening in a watch means to lose it, and it's only good for them, not the head.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 22 December 2020 17: 11
          +34
          Of course you are right, it was not. And there was no USSR. And you are not there either. There was always only RI, and then Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin suddenly came to power.
          1. Svarog
            Svarog 22 December 2020 20: 57
            +15
            Quote: AKuzenka
            Of course you are right, it was not. And there was no USSR. And you are not there either. There was always only RI, and then Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin suddenly came to power.

            laughing good hi
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 23 December 2020 11: 48
            +4
            Quote: AKuzenka
            Of course you are right, it was not. And there was no USSR. And you are not there either. There was always only RI, and then Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin suddenly came to power.

            It is convenient, of course, to bring everything to the point of absurdity. But the same "Tyap-Lyap" from this will not go anywhere. sad

            I'm not even talking about organized crime in the USSR. The case of the Leningrad trade in the 60s (in which gold was seized in tens of kilograms), the case of Moscow judges, guild workers, numerous cases in the national republics. The system is rotten through and through - in Uzbekistan, EMNIP, up to a quarter of the cotton harvest simply disappeared into documents, but at the same time it traveled throughout the country, processed, weaved, cut, sewn - and only surfaced in volumes of investigations. Towards the end of the USSR, the first persons of the party and economic leadership of the territories and republics passed through criminal cases - but the threads leading to Moscow were cut at the root.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 23 December 2020 14: 09
              +7
              Of course it is convenient, especially if they write absurdities. All this was, for this they SAGGED and about horror, they shot! Really. Intoxicated traders, speculators, criminals, murderers. Now - pay and free! This is not absurd ?! Maybe a developed democracy? Tell us.
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 23 December 2020 14: 58
                +1
                Quote: AKuzenka
                Of course it is convenient, especially if they write absurdities. All this was, for this they SAGGED and about the horror, they shot! Really. Intoxicated traders, speculators, criminals, murderers.

                Not all. At the grassroots and middle levels - see the same case of Moscow judges, who stamped the necessary sentences in economic cases for a share in what was stolen.
                And on the upper level, plantings and executions went on in the same way as now - strictly within the framework of the internal party struggle. They cleaned out either the losers in this struggle (as after the arrival of Shevi in ​​Georgia), or interfered with the clans.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 24 December 2020 15: 22
                  +2
                  And on the upper level, plantings and executions went on in the same way as now - strictly within the framework of the internal party struggle. They cleaned out either the losers in this struggle (as after the arrival of Shevi in ​​Georgia), or interfered with the clans.
                  That is why the USSR was destroyed. In order not to answer according to the law. The facts about the judges, for a small fraction, are unknown to me. But I doubt that this could go unpunished, competitors were on guard and everyone wanted to take a place, even if the authorities did not see it.
      3. Machito
        Machito 22 December 2020 17: 52
        +6
        I figured out what the problem is. Crabs are sour. (C) Mom, don't worry -2.
        The State Duma has been Russia's eternal problem since the time of Ivan the Terrible.
      4. bayard
        bayard 23 December 2020 10: 51
        +14
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky with this article wants to say

        This foreign propagandist reminded me of an old Soviet cartoon (for adults) about a propagandist hare, in a jacket and a hat, who, being unable to do anything and not wanting to work, tried to lead and "inspire" everyone, jumping on a stump ... I ended up badly.
        Quote: AKuzenka
        ... And the times of the USSR with a sharp decrease in crime were bypassed by a dashing maneuver.

        Still would ! It was a period when the Russian people threw off the power of parasites, built a state of a new type and carried away a considerable part of the states of the World with them into the future ... And that State had completely different statistics.
        But citizen Shpakovsky "teaches" us that the Russian man is "a bastard and a criminal by nature and has always been such" ... this is his dream, aspiration and hope. This is his lust.
        So that there was child prostitution and alcoholism, poverty and lawlessness.
        And the revelry of the "masters of life".
        This opus of his is very similar to the dirty articles that appeared in Soviet editions during the revelry of "Perestroika", on the eve of the liberal-bourgeois coup ...
        Is this "Petrel" calling something again?
        Painfully, such Shpakovskys have become more active lately.
        And in the same "blessed America" ​​in the old days, such "authors" were caught, doused with tar and pitch, dumped in feathers and drove for the amusement of the crowd from the city ...
        It would be nice for us to adopt this practice from the time of Tom Sawyer.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2020 14: 16
          +2
          Painfully, such Shpakovskys have become more active lately.
          And in the same "blessed America" ​​in the old days, such "authors" were caught, doused with tar and pitch, dumped in feathers and drove for the amusement of the crowd from the city ...
          It would be nice for us to adopt this practice from the time of Tom Sawyer.
          Such as the Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky are very sensitive to the moment. At the moment, the "scales" of "our elite" are hesitating, surrender the country and stay with the money (well, at least for a year) or suffer. And the torment is to start building production from scratch, create jobs, support some kind of social system. And the money is a pity for the people and I want to live. And the people, what if they want even more ?! So howling, spreading rot, pouring into the ears - humble yourself, submit, and we will rule you "justly."
      5. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 December 2020 11: 34
        -1
        Quote: AKuzenka
        Can you imagine how scary it was in the USSR, there policemen walked without weapons and truncheons

        In the title "Rubber stick PR-73" the last two digits tell you nothing? That's right - this is the year of adoption of this model.
        The first rubber band cudgel in the USSR it was put into service in 1962, and in 1966 the procedure for wearing and using it was established.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2020 14: 19
          +8
          The very first rubber band of cudgel in the USSR was adopted in 1962, and in 1966 a procedure for wearing and using it was established.
          Imagine, the first time I saw a policeman's baton was in 1988. In our disadvantaged area, the district police officer showed her in the precinct for prevention. And the gopniks were penetrated.
          1. victor50
            victor50 23 December 2020 15: 38
            +6
            Quote: AKuzenka
            Imagine, the first time I saw a policeman's baton was in 1988. In our disadvantaged area, the district police officer showed her in the precinct for prevention. And the gopniks were penetrated.

            It is not for nothing that her popular name was "democratizer"
        2. victor50
          victor50 23 December 2020 15: 37
          +8
          Quote: Alexey RA
          In the title "Rubber stick PR-73" the last two digits tell you nothing? That's right - this is the year of adoption of this model.
          The very first rubber band of cudgel in the USSR was adopted in 1962, and in 1966 a procedure for wearing and using it was established.

          Tell us where and when was it worn? Until the end of the 80s, operas were not given weapons on duty, and no one wanted to receive them.
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 23 December 2020 16: 15
            -4
            Quote: victor50
            Tell us where and when was it worn? Until the end of the 80s, operas were not given weapons on duty, and no one wanted to receive them.

            In the comments to the article "The History of the Police Baton" they wrote:
            From January 5, 1963, a rubber stick and handcuffs were introduced in Khabarovsk militia units, from March 31 - in Birobidzhan, from April 1 - in Sovetskaya Gavan, from April 2 - in Komsomolsk, from April 7 - in Obluchensky and Smidovichesky districts, from 14 April - in the Leninsky and Oktyabrsky districts, from April 20 - in the Okhotsk region, from April 22 - in the Komsomolsk region.
            Historical information on fund number 40 1962 F.1. Op. 73. D.360. P.89 +.

            https://topwar.ru/128775-istoriya-policeyskoy-dubinki.html
            1. Minato2020
              Minato2020 24 December 2020 03: 47
              +1
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Quote: victor50

              Tell us where and when was it worn? Until the end of the 80s, operas were not given weapons on duty, and no one wanted to receive them.


              In the comments to the article "The History of the Police Baton" they wrote:
              From January 5, 1963, a rubber stick and handcuffs were introduced in Khabarovsk militia units, from March 31 - in Birobidzhan, from April 1 - in Sovetskaya Gavan, from April 2 - in Komsomolsk, from April 7 - in Obluchensky and Smidovichesky districts, from 14 April - in the Leninsky and Oktyabrsky districts, from April 20 - in the Okhotsk region, from April 22 - in the Komsomolsk region.
              Historical information on fund number 40 1962 F.1. Op. 73. D.360. P.89 +.

              https://topwar.ru/128775-istoriya-policeyskoy-dubinki.html


              In the comments to the article "The history of the police baton" they wrote

              michell (Michael)
              Dear, the special device you are describing causes laughter only until the laughing person with this special device arrives - with a successful (not for a giggling) blow, the person's skin BURSTS, and often even under winter clothes, which was the reason for the removal of this special device from the supply of the Ministry of Internal Affairs then even the USSR. Something like this...
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 22 December 2020 17: 44
      +2
      Quote: apro
      I didn't quite understand what the author wanted to say .... the Russian people have come to a pristine state? Is it a Russian civilizational way to ride a rake? The communists have not walked much ... which is not typical.

      The last lines about the communists are correct. Cleverly written, since everyone, both lazy and not lazy, has been barking at the USSR and the communists for years, and the people no longer listen to these "heralds of freedom." Now a new topic has appeared, "We will stigmatize the accursed Russian tsarism", although this has already passed, but "repetition is the mother of learning." But now the Internet has appeared, but before there was only a lecturer from the "libes", so a huge field of activity appeared.
    3. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 22 December 2020 19: 42
      +11
      Quote: apro
      I did not go through the communists very much ... which is not typical.

      Yes, quite unexpectedly. But on the lost Russia I drove well. laughing Shpakovsky was replaced! Shpakovsky is not real! laughing
      1. bayard
        bayard 23 December 2020 11: 05
        +9
        He did not walk through the "lost Russia", but the Russian people, which, in his opinion, was always drunk, stupid and depraved ... and humbly went to fight for the tsar at the call.
        He praised the hosanna for the revival of feudalism with features of a slave-owning system, and the return of the Russian people to the "stall". And he did not betray himself in any way - he substantiated the "legitimacy" of the authorities.
      2. victor50
        victor50 23 December 2020 15: 40
        +3
        Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
        Shpakovsky was replaced! Shpakovsky is not real!

        When was it real? Maybe when he was a lecturer and lectured about the bright communist future?
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    1. kalibr
      22 December 2020 15: 19
      -12%
      Quote: Popuas
      That is, the formation of the early 20th century as a result of the counter-revolution of the 90s, returned to square one!

      If you wrote this, then you understood, and if you understood, then why the question "what did I want to say!"
      1. The popuas
        The popuas 22 December 2020 15: 22
        +14
        The question was not for me, but for you ... the above is a similar question.
        1. kalibr
          22 December 2020 15: 53
          -16%
          So I answered you! Total not no ...
          1. The popuas
            The popuas 22 December 2020 16: 16
            +10
            Not sure why my comment was deleted?
            1. apro
              apro 22 December 2020 16: 21
              +11
              I wonder why mine was not deleted ...
              1. Nasrat
                Nasrat 22 December 2020 16: 26
                +11
                My same was deleted .... and it looks like the author of the article did it !!! The author, in this regard, must draw parallels from the recent past !!! wassat
                1. The popuas
                  The popuas 22 December 2020 16: 36
                  +19
                  In this regard, I think, do not comment on the author of this "opus"! And yes, "mister" Shpakovsky, I will always give you a minus for this action .... I know that you will wind up your rating, but nevertheless ...
                  1. apro
                    apro 22 December 2020 16: 40
                    +5
                    Papuan is not our method ...
                    1. The popuas
                      The popuas 22 December 2020 16: 45
                      +4
                      Well, I wrote openly so ... do not share your methods wink
                      1. apro
                        apro 22 December 2020 16: 53
                        +6
                        Know how to resist reasonably. Prove your case.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 17: 10
                        +1
                        Bravo, colleague!
                      3. The popuas
                        The popuas 22 December 2020 17: 16
                        +7
                        Rather, they deleted it because of the poet I mentioned in the commentary ... but kept silent that this citizen in that photo was zigging against the background of the torch ... and the commentary from the photo of Peskov, who only confirmed my comment, was not deleted ...! request Strange moderation
                  2. kalibr
                    22 December 2020 17: 40
                    -23%
                    Quote: apro
                    Papuan is not our method ...

                    This is the method of the Papuans!
                    1. apro
                      apro 22 December 2020 17: 44
                      +14
                      Quote: kalibr
                      This is the method of the Papuans!

                      Mr. Shpakovsky, please be polite to your opponent.
                    2. kalibr
                      22 December 2020 17: 48
                      -20%
                      You know, politeness is a good thing, of course, but, you know, I grew up on Proletarskaya Street and from childhood absorbed a harsh attitude towards ... human stupidity. And after 65 years, I think that you need to express your thoughts directly. There is no time for ornateness! And I don't see opponents, by the way, I see minusers. There are no opponents who give reasonable arguments.
                    3. The popuas
                      The popuas 22 December 2020 18: 23
                      +19
                      I did not put it in a quiet minus! They just told me that the author deleted, so he behaved like that! Now I found out that the author cannot delete comments, please accept my apology! hi and yes, the apro user wrote to you about politeness, you really miss this! I noticed a long time ago that it is too harsh for any criticism of your articles!
                    4. kalibr
                      22 December 2020 20: 35
                      -13%
                      Quote: Popuas
                      to any criticism

                      To stupid - yes, and it prevails. I have not particularly come across constructive comments. What doesn't suit you? Source base or information contained in the material? So all this was not my idea ...
                    5. bayard
                      bayard 23 December 2020 11: 19
                      +8
                      You COLLECT it.
                      As a goldsmith his "good" from all the pit latrines.
                      Why weren't the statistics of all these phenomena under the Soviet regime compared with before and after? smile
                      And because this statistic beats all your arguments.
                      But I will not persuade you - the humpback is only the grave of the chiropractor.
                    6. kalibr
                      23 December 2020 12: 10
                      -7
                      Quote: bayard
                      Why weren't the statistics of all these phenomena under the Soviet regime compared with before and after?

                      And what to compare if it doesn't exist? Where is this successful Soviet system in all respects? Aw- where are you?
                    7. Revival
                      Revival 23 December 2020 14: 20
                      +6
                      According to this logic, why write about ri, she is not there either
                    8. kalibr
                      23 December 2020 15: 10
                      0
                      It is logical. In the past, there is nothing at all. If you personally do not remember something. But ... there is a personal interest. Here I was interested in writing this. I took it and wrote it!
                  3. TAMBU
                    TAMBU 23 December 2020 14: 28
                    +5
                    Here he is ... in the minds and souls of millions. Perhaps the fact that "ceased to exist" is only the beginning of one of the many stages of its formation. How many years has the bourgeois system won its place under the feudal sun? And here some 70 years. The Dutch revolution lasted so long. But the fact remains: the construction will never go far from us like the idea itself. It may take a while to return to us specifically - yes. But for humanity, this system will remain forever. And judging by the stubbornness with which it is increasingly difficult to resist such as you, this is fortunately confirmation of the inevitable historical process - the transition of one socio-economic formation to another.

                    PS The absence of a system, by the way, does not interfere with comparing the statistics of when it was and when it ceased to exist ...
                  4. kalibr
                    23 December 2020 15: 12
                    -1
                    Quote: TAMBU
                    The absence of a system, by the way, does not interfere with comparing the statistics of when it was and when it ceased to exist ...

                    This is what you say correctly. And that is why at the end of the material, links were given to the works where it was. I myself do not intend to write a dissertation on this topic. I've had enough of them ...
                  5. TAMBU
                    TAMBU 23 December 2020 18: 26
                    +5
                    I began to get acquainted with dissertations, followed the links, read the links (and I just started), and bah ... citizen Lebina with her theory of the renewed estate of class society and the always drunken cattle from the desks. nomenclature ... in the 20s. In addition, I hope the citizens you are referring to somewhere in the depths of their works will point out external factors of influence and compare the topic under study with the basis ... otherwise their "horses in a vacuum" are just as useful in their analysis as inscriptions on fences ...
                  6. kalibr
                    23 December 2020 18: 55
                    +1
                    Do you see how useful it is to read my articles? So you would never be interested in this kind of literature, moreover, you would not even know about its existence. And now its study will be your merit, the acquired knowledge will be your knowledge!
        2. sniperino
          sniperino 23 December 2020 15: 49
          +3
          Quote: kalibr
          What doesn't suit you?
          I am not happy with the word "paradigm" in this whole context. T. Kuhn is crying softly. Why call this word haphazardly collected and widespread in the whole world vices and crimes, seasoning it with the opinion of a certain author of an article in a newspaper? In order to say that they are samples and models with us? Type "archetypes of the Russian mentality". As it all looks ugly.
      2. bayard
        bayard 23 December 2020 11: 13
        +8
        Quote: Popuas
        I noticed a long time ago that it is too harsh for any criticism of your articles!

        Yes, this is just a full-time propagandist for breeding with ra, cha on the site, he simply mocks using the chutzpah method.
        ... But the site administration likes such an author ... yes , despite all the disadvantages and obvious anti-rating of his "creativity".
      3. kalibr
        23 December 2020 12: 11
        -2
        Quote: bayard
        he just sneers at the chutzpah method

        That's it!
  3. Stas157
    Stas157 23 December 2020 08: 25
    +19
    Quote: kalibr
    И I do not see opponentsBy the way, I see minusers.

    And you are reading comments in pink glasses?)) They are all against you! I also wanted to write something for your opus, but people have already written everything sensibly. Therefore, they have pluses, and you have minuses.

    Stop pouring dirt on the Soviet past. Do not use your dirty trick - to generalize with socialism all the bad things that are happening now under capitalism, as well as in tsarist times. Say, there was no difference!

    Quote: kalibr
    There are no opponents who give reasonable arguments.

    When it's opponents in our eyes gave reasonable reasons?))
  4. Woodman
    Woodman 23 December 2020 10: 35
    +5
    Quote: Stas157
    When did the opponents make reasonable arguments in our eyes?))

    There were no such
    Quote: kalibr
    You, I live, you want to prove something to me, right? Do not! Since 2014, everything here is separate to me ... they prove everything to no avail.
  5. kalibr
    23 December 2020 12: 12
    0
    Quote: Stas157
    They are all against you!

    And the rating is growing for some reason? It fluctuates, yes, up and down, but in the end it grows. And why would it be?
  6. Stas157
    Stas157 23 December 2020 12: 30
    +18
    Quote: kalibr
    And the rating is growing for some reason? ... and why's that?

    Well known business! This was also the case for the well-known odious Golovan - some drawbacks, and the rating is growing. When marshals add up to their heavy plus (even if not often), you can drown in light minuses, and the rating will still grow. There is no magic here.
  7. kalibr
    23 December 2020 13: 33
    -3
    So everything is fine, as it should be!
  8. kalibr
    23 December 2020 12: 13
    -4
    Quote: Stas157
    Therefore, they have pluses, and you have minuses.

    Upset to stutter!
  9. Stas157
    Stas157 23 December 2020 12: 31
    +15
    Quote: kalibr
    Got upset before stuttering!

    I agree. There is little pleasant here! I know from myself))
  • kalibr
    22 December 2020 17: 40
    -17%
    Quote: Popuas
    And yes, "mister" Shpakovsky, I will always give you a minus for this action ..

    Described from frustration ...
    1. Revival
      Revival 23 December 2020 14: 22
      +2
      No, it happened from stuttering))
  • kalibr
    22 December 2020 18: 03
    -12%
    Quote: Popuas
    I know that you will wind up the rating

    And why should I? From the sandbox I have long grown to enjoy the stars on the virtual shoulder straps.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 December 2020 17: 06
    +4
    Moderators and administrators of the resource can delete comments. Shpakovsky does not belong to either one or the other.
    1. The popuas
      The popuas 22 December 2020 17: 16
      +4
      Didn't know ... thanks
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 17: 28
        +4
        Please.
        Going into the profile of any commentator, you can find out his status on the resource.
      2. The popuas
        The popuas 22 December 2020 17: 45
        +5
        I mean that the author of the article cannot delete comments hi
  • kalibr
    22 December 2020 17: 39
    +3
    Quote: Nasr
    My same was deleted .... and it looks like the author of the article did it !!!

    Authors cannot delete comments!
  • aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 22 December 2020 15: 28
    +13
    Quote: kalibr
    If you wrote this, then you understood, and if you understood, then why the question "what did I want to say!"

    Everything is so, the return to the beginning of the 20th century is probably already becoming clear to everyone.
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 22 December 2020 15: 35
      +20
      Quote: aleksejkabanets
      Everything is so, the return to the beginning of the 20th century is probably already becoming clear to everyone.
      So they don't hide it at the top. Peskov announced not so long ago. So everything is rolled
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 22 December 2020 15: 40
        +17
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        So everything is rolled

        I hope it will end the same.
  • lis-ik
    lis-ik 22 December 2020 20: 31
    -7
    Under the article Bravo !!!
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  • antivirus
    antivirus 22 December 2020 15: 21
    +1
    everything has its time .. out of place - it is harmful, the conditional "creation of a middle class (2/3 of the population)" will ensure stability and dynamic development of the state and society .. such proportions were in 2/2 of the 20th century in the "golden billion" ...
    the other one must try. until they caught up with ZEurope and so on. and the conditions in the world have changed. Europe experienced two world wars to build an "advanced society".
    we are waiting for two more in Eurasia - for Russia to reach first place in the world. by ???. add indicators yourself
  • Basarev
    Basarev 22 December 2020 15: 34
    -17%
    I suspect that Russia is fundamentally unreformable. This is within the power of either a truly outstanding personality of the scale of Peter, or a foreign occupation ... That is, both options are now unrealistic. In general, I would like to finally change the country, become the pride of Europe, a model for model countries.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 22 December 2020 15: 57
      +16
      ... or foreign occupation ...


      You are not original.

      Arkady and Boris Strugatsky "Predatory things of the century" - I quote:

      "Our public needs a good occupation army," said the man with
      with a plaster.
      .................................................. .................................................. .........................................

      You bastard, I thought. Oh, you thief! He needed an occupation army! Spirit, see
      whether, drowned in lard ... "(c) hi
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 22 December 2020 16: 53
      +9
      oh, both options are now unrealistic. In general, I would like to finally change the country, become the pride of Europe, a model for model countries.
      What model? They are different. For example, now Europe is one of the examples of a consumer society that has received an injection of Arab culture. And tolerance and sodomy! Or SGA is an example of a society that overwhelms everyone physically and economically. with the same elements of society as in Europe? Which example is closer to you, Sodom or suppressive?
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 22 December 2020 20: 53
        +5
        Of course, I mean a model in the sense of science and technology, social sphere, medicine, education, industry, civil rights ... In general, such a huge Switzerland or the great Benelux. Or you can actually deal with the Russians, the most disenfranchised people in the country, and create an analogue of Israel. I admire him: the Jews have succeeded in almost the impossible - to reverse the aging of the population and to enter expanded reproduction, to break out of the general European depopulation.
        1. Bourgeois 1963
          Bourgeois 1963 22 December 2020 21: 41
          +9
          I also admire Israel. Perhaps this is the only successful project of positive social creation carried out by mankind over the past century. True, the impetus for this qualitative transition of the Jewish people was infinitely cruel and terrible. Yes, and the current environment of medieval madmen is annoying, although on the other hand there may be an evil and uncompromising archaism on the borders of the country and mobilizes the Jewish society for such a rapid pace of development.
        2. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2020 10: 16
          +2
          The intention, of course, is good. Only without a tough position of the state to protect citizens from crime, fraud, perversion, you will not achieve anything. And you will introduce restrictions, you will be known as a totalitarian and an enemy of democracy, and so on. Science develops where it is developed, and not forced to drag out a miserable existence, one can also say about any sphere of human society. And who will invest in this? And most importantly - you need an IDEA! In Israel, this was and is. But in Russia? It was also. That's when it was, then it developed. And it’s almost 30 years since it was emasculated and now it is gone.
        3. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 24 December 2020 09: 09
          +3
          They partially managed to solve the demographic problem at the expense of religious orthodoxies, who are very far from European culture and are in many ways similar to the Arabs they hated.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 23 December 2020 00: 31
      +7
      "I suspect that Russia is not reformable in principle" ///
      ----
      I kind of observe from the outside: reforms are underway in Russian society.
      Slow and painful, but not hopeless at all.
      And this, at some point, will translate into the acceleration of economic development. drinks
      1. Engineer
        Engineer 23 December 2020 11: 33
        +4
        Unfortunately, not likely. Development yes, accelerated no.
        The middle income trap.
        In general, according to economic theories, nothing shines for us.
  • sergo1914
    sergo1914 22 December 2020 15: 35
    +15
    So, in the fall of 1906, the newspaper "Kharkovskie vedomosti" published a letter from the peasant K. Blyudnikov, who sailed as a sailor on the battleship "Retvizan"

    Somehow the date for "Retvizan" is alarming. Crewed in America on March 10, 1902. November 24, 1904 withdrawn from the fleet. A muddy peasant sailor. Moreover, he is teetotal.

    In any case, this was the opinion of the peasants of the village of Tarkhova in the Penza province in 1918. The local newspaper reported that
    “They dreamed that, firstly, they would return at least an inferior tsar; secondly, to disperse all employees of the zemstvo volost council; well, and also ... they wanted to close the school and destroy the forest that lay nearby. "


    Then the Bolsheviks came. And the dreamers explained the party's policy. Is the forest at least preserved?

    It was not an end to prostitution in Soviet times **, which is available whole line protected theses in history.


    I am interested in the implementation of the following points:
    -information base of the research;
    - the reliability of scientific provisions;
    - the practical significance of the work;
    - approbation and implementation of the results.
    1. Deniska999
      Deniska999 22 December 2020 15: 47
      +3
      What results do you want to implement from the study of prostitution in the 1920s in 2002 (release date)? :)
      1. sergo1914
        sergo1914 22 December 2020 16: 04
        +11
        Quote: Deniska999
        What results do you want to implement from the study of prostitution in the 1920s in 2002 (release date)? :)


        "A number of dissertations" have been written. There is a point “approbation and implementation of results”. People do not work on the table or on the shelf. What useful introductions are recommended in prostitution?
        1. kalibr
          22 December 2020 16: 30
          -6
          Quote: sergo1914
          What useful introductions are recommended in prostitution?

          And academic science does not always produce a result that is being implemented. There is an analysis of the past, there is a comparison with it ... There is simply knowledge. And knowledge is always better than ignorance.
          1. Akuzenka
            Akuzenka 22 December 2020 16: 57
            +9
            And academic science does not always produce a result that is being implemented. There is an analysis of the past, there is a comparison with it ... There is simply knowledge. And knowledge is always better than ignorance.
            I agree. Academic science is deeply indebted to you. Or are you in front of her. But you analyze and compare, knowledge will help you. And ignorance, too.
    2. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 07
      +2
      Interesting questions, but if you mean dissertations, then this is not for me. In the abstracts everything is written - and inform. base, and reliability, and significance and approbation. You do not need to pay for the abstract. If according to the article, then in principle you can find it in E-library.ru - Shpakovskaya S.V. and there will be an option with links to all sources.
    3. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 12
      +1
      Quote: sergo1914
      Then the Bolsheviks came. And the dreamers explained the party's policy. Is the forest at least preserved?

      I really wanted to know. I looked over a bunch of newspapers. But ... alas. Did not recognize. And it would be great to write how their efforts ended ...
    4. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 16
      0
      Quote: sergo1914
      Somehow the date for "Retvizan" is alarming. Crewed in America on March 10, 1902. November 24, 1904 withdrawn from the fleet. A muddy peasant sailor. Moreover, he is teetotal.

      I agree. But ... there were only ... two such letters in the newspapers of that time! Two! And in state newspapers. If I were an editor ... there would be dozens of them ... with links to specific peasants, who themselves would be sure that they told me this !!! And were those editors stupider than me? Maybe ... they thought that this would be enough?
      1. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 22 December 2020 17: 01
        +7
        If I were an editor ... there would be dozens of them ... with links to specific peasants, who themselves would be sure that they told me this !!! And were those editors stupider than me? Maybe ... they thought that this would be enough?
        No, you are, of course, smarter than those editors. You were able to think of this, but they did not.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 23 December 2020 12: 09
      +4
      Quote: sergo1914
      Somehow the date for "Retvizan" is alarming. Crewed in America on March 10, 1902. November 24, 1904 withdrawn from the fleet.

      Yes, everything seems to be fine: "who sailed as a sailor on the battleship Retvizan" is in the sense of "who previously served on the EBR". The sailor fought back in Port Arthur, survived, and went to demobilization.
  • iouris
    iouris 22 December 2020 15: 43
    +8
    As you can understand, the author was appointed the leader of "VO". Dizzy with success?
    1. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 17
      -1
      If he was appointed, then not himself, right? And the materials come out according to plan. Another one will be released today at 18.00 ...
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    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 15: 52
      +1
      No, he walked around the tanks pretty well here. hi And here, yes, something did not go ... lol
      1. kalibr
        22 December 2020 16: 28
        +1
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        walked around the tanks pretty well

        And some did not like that material. And someone likes this one. How many people, so many and ... What the devil said? "Who likes the pop, who is the priest, and who is the priest's daughter."
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 18: 56
          -1
          Globally, you are right, Vyacheslav, but there is still a majority criterion. I am sure that according to your article on tanks, the number (%) of those dissatisfied with the material is much less. Here you gave the correct example - the female half of the priest's family will have more fans! bully Although someone will lay eyes on the priest! wassat
          1. kalibr
            22 December 2020 19: 16
            +2
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            the standard of the majority.

            One of our singers once said well about the majority ...
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 19: 35
              +7
              Most of the majority are different. It's one thing when the majority is in the RAS, another thing in the bazaar. And here, although it is not RAS, it is not a bazaar either. The level of education of site visitors is clearly higher than the national average. So Vyacheslav, sometimes you should look for the reason yourself. wink
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 22 December 2020 20: 02
                0
                Colleague, the level of education is not yet an indicator of the level of intelligence.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 20: 05
                  +5
                  I know Anton. But you probably also know that here the intellect is above average. wink
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 22 December 2020 20: 14
                    +1
                    It would be good if this level of intelligence had a corresponding level of culture.
                    At least the culture of communication. request
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 20: 30
                      +3
                      Here, yes, you can not argue. But I want to remind you, as a person interested in history - remember what verbal battles unfolded during the conversations of ancient Greek philosophers? And in the Roman Senate? There were sometimes worse events than at the bazaar! laughing Academic councils also often turn into a farce to this day. Living people, Anton, with all the advantages and disadvantages. request
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 20: 56
                        +1
                        All this is sad, Igor ... I even tried to be polite with Golovan and, you know, gave results.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 21: 25
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        All this is sad, Igor ...
                        Yes, the normal course of life. And Pallas cat - damn it, I don't even know, but I rarely meet such convinced unpleasant people in my life, even now, when the quality of people is falling against the background of consumerism, coronavirus and general anger. I am sickened by this man's position in life, which is similar to the famous saying "If you want a big salary, go into business." By the way, I remember your fair remark to us with this subject on the historical thread. Banned, and rightfully so, he went too far. request
                        And so the nose is higher, Anton - New Year is coming soon, a tree, gifts, a feast (moonshine of five types bully ) drinks
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 23: 07
                        +4
                        Damn, Igor! He's just a deeply unhappy person !!!
                      4. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 23 December 2020 08: 50
                        +3
                        And tries to share it with others! laughing
            2. kalibr
              22 December 2020 20: 43
              +2
              Igor, excuse me for getting in, but would you like ... a test? You are writing an essay (or essay, whatever you like) on the following topics: "The fifth season", "The four colors of time", "The world of four horizons." The maximum volume is 2,5 pages. The minimum is not limited. Send it to me and I will tell you ... what is your level of creative thinking (and imagination). Both are indicators of intelligence! You can send in a personal ...
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 22 December 2020 21: 01
                +7
                Do you want to be honest, Vyacheslav? I do not consider myself the smartest, I am very critical of myself. I personally know people smarter than myself. And not everyone can admit it. Sorry, I won't write an essay, I'm not interested in assessing my intellect using a stereotyped method. request And my imagination is outstanding, I already know that. laughing
                Quote: kalibr
                But the level of education ... is not always an absolute indicator.

                I agree, but this applies to you too, doesn't it? wink
                Do not be offended by Vyacheslav, but good chefs sometimes turn out tasteless dishes. hi
                PS About revolvers the article is really not bad. good
                1. kalibr
                  22 December 2020 21: 39
                  +2
                  I also know all this, Igor, and I think exactly the same as you do. But I would write out of curiosity ...
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I personally know people smarter than myself
                  And me too ... And a lot!
        2. kalibr
          22 December 2020 20: 38
          0
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The level of education of site visitors is clearly higher than the national average.

          Without any doubt. But the level of education ... is not always an absolute indicator. There are many more subtleties that it hardly makes sense to talk about here.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 22 December 2020 15: 44
    -5
    Very good article. Thanks to the author hi
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 22 December 2020 15: 47
    +15
    Hmm, it's obvious that a person does not change by nature. And modern children can throw old parents out of business (or even apartments), just like the daughters of King Lear did.
    But God bless him Lear.
    Let's talk about our God-saved (otherwise how did it survive?) Fatherland. They say that a policeman in 1918 did not shoot for business ... excuse me, this year a bloody Civil War began, and a little earlier they dispersed the old police, recruiting into the new one, God knows who and God knows by what criteria. So is it really surprising that these people with a hot revolutionary heart in their chest (and, not necessarily Bolshevik, could be "temporary"), incomprehensible education and completely unknown moral character did what they wanted?
    That is, then it is clear, but now what ... body ... of internal affairs?
    1. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 22 December 2020 17: 17
      +6
      "Senior sailor in the navy, like a general in the infantry."
      Ivan will not be able to answer, Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky, to such a question. Although the answer is obvious.
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 22 December 2020 19: 28
        +7
        Quote: AKuzenka
        "Senior sailor in the navy, like a general in the infantry."

        :)))) hi

        Quote: AKuzenka
        Gauleiter Mr. Shpakovsky

        you are not fair to Vyacheslav Olegovich.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 23 December 2020 10: 10
          0
          you are not fair to Vyacheslav Olegovich.
          Alas, Ivan is fair and even gentle. You have not read his comments to his next article about Russia (I don’t remember the name, but it’s a sin to look for laziness), so in them he showed himself to be an occupier in his native land? country. With calls to "flog in the stable" and other Gauleiter applications. That is why he began to call him that.
  • ALARI
    ALARI 22 December 2020 15: 48
    +12
    How we love to criticize our Duma and our deputies, although ... we ourselves elect them there. The author of that you made me laugh.
    Putin signed a law on the right of ex-presidents to life-long senatorship. The Duma approved this. Do you want to say that we chose the Duma, or did it choose itself?
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 22 December 2020 16: 04
      +11
      Do you know anything that the Duma did not approve of those pieces of paper that Putin signed?
      They all, led by him, by the basic law, sorry, wipe their asses, but how they were chosen there only the deaf-blind do not know. Maybe you can explain by what law Putin became president again? Chickens laugh.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 22 December 2020 16: 12
        +8
        Usually the parliament votes or does not vote for the law, whether the president signs it or not. In our country, the president wants the law to be drawn up by the thought-bureaucracy. There is no such law since 2018, there is a wild desire to stay in power + buns that this power gives.
    2. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 09
      -5
      Quote: ALARI
      Do you want to say that we chose the Duma, or did it choose itself?

      The difference with life-long senatorship and Duma membership is obvious. Who chose her? Martians?
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 22 December 2020 16: 22
        +15
        Rather reptilians, but not citizens of Russia. I'm not talking about the difference, but about the untouchability, which means permissiveness and lack of jurisdiction. Do you like it? I don’t. And so the estate state has already been built, now it remains to legislate it.
        1. kalibr
          22 December 2020 16: 25
          +1
          Quote: ALARI
          Do you like it? I don’t.

          And I don’t, and I’m just writing about this ... You read more carefully ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 22 December 2020 15: 49
    +11
    There was no end to prostitution in Soviet times **
    ... A very interesting topic. They fought against it and there were successes, but in the end they brought counter-revolutionary activities under Article 158 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, after the "thaw" there were no special articles punishing prostitution in the Soviet codes until 1987
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 December 2020 07: 03
      +3
      There was sodomy. I don't remember the number of the article of the Criminal Code.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 23 December 2020 08: 06
        +4
        This is a separate type of crime, different from prostitution ..
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 December 2020 08: 29
          +4
          I know! I am mocking.
          Although you correctly noted - the absence of a social phenomenon for a long period.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 23 December 2020 08: 46
            +4
            The phenomenon existed, but not on the scale in which it existed before. Let's just say that you filmed, brought to your place or went to visit, this was equated to the creation of a counter-revolutionary organization (cell) and both could go to "sunny" Magadan. laughing As I wrote above, an interesting topic, especially the system of evidence.
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 22 December 2020 15: 53
    +10
    ... and, using the example of primitive man, to show how far away we are ...
    (C) lol
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 22 December 2020 18: 05
      +2
      "If soul and body are apart,
      Tear off one and throw it away "(C)
  • Gato
    Gato 22 December 2020 15: 58
    +10
    Damn foreignness is all over the place

  • tatra
    tatra 22 December 2020 16: 00
    +14
    The article was written by a man with the classic mentality of the enemies of the communists, who AT ALL had nothing and no one good in the centuries-old history of Russia and the USSR, who want to take away the pride of the history of their country from the Russian / Russian people. To turn the Russian / Russian people into the same rootless cosmopolitan egoists as they are.
    1. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 23
      -5
      In my opinion, Irina, this is exactly what Lenin wanted in his works ... But he was a communist, right? Start with his work "Persecutors of the Zemstvo and Annibals of Liberalism" - there is almost the same thing ... "Development of Capitalism in Russia" - the next work ... and then ...
    2. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 22 December 2020 20: 03
      +5
      Quote: tatra
      The article was written by a man with the classic mentality of the enemies of the communists, who AT ALL had nothing and no one good in the centuries-old history of Russia and the USSR, who want to take away the pride of the history of their country from the Russian / Russian people. To turn the Russian / Russian people into the same rootless cosmopolitan egoists as they are.

      The enemies of the communists from the white movement, relying on the glorious centuries-old history of Russia, wanted to prevent the Russian people from becoming proud of the future USSR. But, comrades, the Great October Socialist Revolution, which the Bolsheviks had been waiting for so long, won, and the nationality receded into the background, bringing the class struggle to the fore! The proletarian origin and the end of the exploitation of man by Homo-Sapiens made us comrades, brothers and sisters in the struggle against capital, regardless of nationality and ancestry!
      However, the new enemies of the communists are trying to put defective nationalist interests over the class struggle, over the struggle of the working people of the planet against the oppressors and exploiters, calling the real communist internationalists rootless cosmopolitans, thereby distracting the workers, the proletarian intelligentsia and the conscious part of the peasantry from the true enemies of the working class of the planet!
      Comrade Tatra, repent publicly! Explain to the wavering members of the forum the inferiority of narrow national interests and direct their energy against the kagal of exploiters and monarchists!
    3. midivan
      midivan 23 December 2020 09: 11
      +5
      Quote: tatra
      The article was written by a man with the classic mentality of the enemies of the communists, who AT ALL have nothing and no one good

      And everything is natural ... And the fact that communism is now getting the direct merit of the communists ... I will try to explain, of course, this is a personal opinion and came to this myself, they did not lead by the hand ... The fact is that when the power changes, then the new government is trying to erase from the people the memory of the previous one, when the government changes by force, this is done out of fear, I would even say - out of cowardice and lack of confidence in oneself and in one's actions. I had a positive attitude to communism until the moment when I grew up and began to think not about girls, but about life)) It began with the fact that watching cartoons (I still love them at 44))) I noticed how the previous power was presented , in any cartoon, fairy tale, the Tsar is presented as such a freak, remember, for example, "How a man will feed two generals", a tale about Pope and his worker, a bastard ... Everything is served to the child in a derogatory form, although the Generals of those times were mostly fighting. Personally, in me, it aroused contempt, these are not strong people of action. The child grows up, begins to be interested in history and comes to the conclusion that all childhood lied to him! For me personally, disrespectful people cause contempt, and again you are an example - there was a time when I reached out to church, believing friends also actively pushed me "" "", and here I was at the first sermon, as one of my friends presented - bab tushka, old man already, very smart and competent. But from the lips of the priest very often sounded about savages before the Christian faith, pagans, very often, but at that moment I already knew how our ancestors "savages" lived and I had "heard a lot" about the crusades, after this sermon I understood, I decided for myself, that I am the same savage and the church is not mine at all, the Jewish young guy who gave his life on the cross in the name of "all mankind" is definitely not mine .... Something like this, I think intelligibly ...
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 22 December 2020 16: 15
    -3
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    I would like to note that Saltykov-Shchedrin summed up everything that you have stated.
    1. kalibr
      22 December 2020 16: 20
      +1
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      I would like to note that Saltykov-Shchedrin summed up everything that you have stated.

      When he worked with us in Penza. Now the building of presence, where he worked, is simply being magnificently restored, next to it there will be a square with a view of the monument to the pioneer settler, in a word, the center has been taken seriously. I saw the layout of the building. Very nice.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 16: 28
        +3
        It's good! I am glad that such works are being carried out not only in Moscow and St. Petersburg.
    2. apro
      apro 22 December 2020 16: 25
      +5
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      I would like to note that Saltykov-Shchedrin summarized everything you stated.

      I will note the same ... and what did the Russian nobility for 300 years do? And the Russian clergy? How did they educate the people. What values ​​did they instill in them? It is certainly easier to ascertain failures. They are in plain sight. And the work of creating a national state is not visible or it was not there. . to improve itself? to improve ...
      1. kalibr
        22 December 2020 17: 35
        -3
        Quote: apro
        what values ​​did they instill in him?

        What values ​​can the higher ones instill in the lower ones? Their!
        1. apro
          apro 22 December 2020 17: 38
          +5
          Quote: kalibr
          What values ​​can the higher ones instill in the lower ones? Their!

          Someone once proved to me the sanctity of the Russian clergy and the nobility of the nobility ... and how it turns out ... they instilled drunkenness, theft and fornication ...
          1. kalibr
            22 December 2020 17: 53
            +3
            Between an angel and a demon - a man!
            1. Gato
              Gato 23 December 2020 01: 51
              +2
              Between an angel and a demon - a man

              Well, yes, where are they without their creator ..
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 22 December 2020 17: 50
      +3
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Saltykov-Shchedrin.

      Anton! Is he also? * Enemy of the Communists *? wink With such views, and with such .... * mentality *? How terrible this world is. laughing
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 17: 58
        +2
        Seryozha, something else amazes me.
        Staver writes that everything is fine with us - everyone is unhappy.
        Skomorokhov writes that everything is bad with us - everyone is unhappy.
        Shpakovsky writes that nothing has changed - everyone is unhappy.
        The question is, what the hell does everyone want?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 22 December 2020 18: 02
          +10
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          everyone is unhappy

          This begs advice: Read ... it!
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 December 2020 18: 06
            +2
            Yeah, I was too lazy to look for a picture.
        2. kalibr
          22 December 2020 18: 24
          0
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          The question is, what the hell does everyone want?

          Anton, let's change the wording of your question a little: why is this happening? And I will try to answer this question in one of the articles about peasants in Russia.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 December 2020 18: 28
            +2
            Well thank you!
            1. depressant
              depressant 22 December 2020 22: 52
              +2
              And I will wait for such an article.
        3. Korsar4
          Korsar4 22 December 2020 22: 28
          +1
          A jar of invigorating fish and a salty fish? (from).
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 22 December 2020 22: 49
            +1
            An energy can with a bag of snacks? Original!
            1. Korsar4
              Korsar4 22 December 2020 23: 17
              +1
              Maybe the fighting cats cheered up differently.
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 22 December 2020 23: 22
                +3
                Rule one: never talk about fighting cats ...?
                1. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 22 December 2020 23: 38
                  +3
                  From the specialty (GF Morozov): "One general rule - no general rules."
                  1. 3x3zsave
                    3x3zsave 22 December 2020 23: 46
                    +2
                    All one, all paraphrase Socrates.
                    1. Korsar4
                      Korsar4 23 December 2020 01: 35
                      +2
                      To a great extent.
    4. Lbbe
      Lbbe 22 December 2020 21: 39
      +9
      Is this the same one that hobnobbed with the Narodnaya Volya and leaked data on the raids? What is happening in Russia in 100 years ... the same thing: "liberals" cooperate with terrorists
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 22 December 2020 22: 19
        0
        Yeah, you have to sew the 205th and 280th articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation to Mikhail Evgrafovich.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 22 December 2020 16: 20
    +18
    The article failed. Done in a hurry. Let the author re-read about anesthesia. There is some kind of confusion. In general, the present time and reflections remind me of the first chapter of "Walking through the agony". Full immersion in idealism.
  • Svarog
    Svarog 22 December 2020 16: 34
    +9
    Today our media are very fond of painting the horrors of "the criminalization of our society" and that, they say, our crime is constantly growing. But in the patriarchal Russian Empire it was no better with this.

    So the media is compared with the times of socialism, when crime was not so outrageous.
    And in the Republic of Ingushetia and the modern Russian Federation of course .. there is no work, but you have to live like that .. then what now.
    True, there is a sphere in which the changes have even affected the very mentality of our entire Russian masses. For example, all researchers of our society at the beginning of the twentieth century unanimously noted that Russian prostitutes have a purely national lack of understanding of their craft as a profession, which ultimately became the cause of their tragedy.

    Prostitutes were investigated for their lack of understanding of their craft .. deeply however ... but even deeper, that this was the cause of their tragedy ..
    As under the tsar, and under the general secretaries, reforms fall on our heads like the butt of an ax. Nobody discusses them in advance, work with the population on their approval is not carried out, their significance for the country is largely not explained.

    Only under the general secretaries, the standard of living grew and the population, the literacy of the population .. and with social elevators, things were much better than under the tsar and now .. in general, that now the situation in Ingushetia is becoming more and more similar ..
    1. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 22 December 2020 19: 44
      +12
      Quote: Svarog
      Explored prostitutes

      It was so. The situation described by Caliber existed quite well. Foreign women did not make a tragedy out of their position and earned for their next life, and ours lived according to the principle: - well, at least I'll take a walk for the last ...
      Or, let’s say, Chukhon girls went to St. Petersburg for this trade in order to earn a dowry - a cow. And their future husbands knew about this very well, but they thought that if the cow was good, then everything was fine. And with us, I went on a spree, even if for love, then everything - (censorship :)))
      Quote: Svarog
      crime was not so outrageous.

      This is yes. We had one district police officer for three villages and everything was more or less decent. And since the 90s, there has been a whole pack of them, but order ... Sometimes you look and think how the country can rise if there are so many parasites on the people's neck?
  • ee2100
    ee2100 22 December 2020 16: 40
    +8
    The meaning of the article is one twitch, neither twitch nor change anything!
    As they said in the USSR: "if you want to live, if you want to strike, you will still get a ruble!"
  • alekc75
    alekc75 22 December 2020 17: 29
    +6
    the author says something strange about the towers = that only managers can manage them ????
  • odometer
    odometer 22 December 2020 17: 38
    +12
    A real example of a shape-shifter is Shpakovsky. Everyone knows the author's biography.
    1. Nestor Vlakhovski
      Nestor Vlakhovski 22 December 2020 17: 51
      -4
      Have you now insulted or praised?
      Flexibility and adaptability are the most valuable mental skills in this fast paced time.
    2. kalibr
      22 December 2020 17: 56
      -4
      Quote: curvimeter
      A real-life example of a shape-shifter

      Do you still have portraits of Lenin and Stalin in your apartment and you pray for them in the morning? And you pay taxes to Putin and Co. ... A good approach to business ...
      1. Svarog
        Svarog 22 December 2020 19: 52
        +7
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: curvimeter
        A real-life example of a shape-shifter

        Do you still have portraits of Lenin and Stalin in your apartment and you pray for them in the morning? And you pay taxes to Putin and Co. ... A good approach to business ...

        Are you calling for a strike, not paying taxes, for housing and communal services? Boldly))
        1. kalibr
          22 December 2020 20: 29
          +2
          Quote: Svarog
          Are you calling for a strike, not paying taxes, for housing and communal services? Boldly

          This is where you read it?
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 22 December 2020 18: 02
    +12
    A land of unchanging paradigms?

    What you have described leads to the idea that some in the country adhere to vile patterns. In the sense that they constantly step on a rake and the negative experience of their own history teaches them nothing. What impressed me most was the officers' pay. I had to face when the platoon leader received less than the ensign of the foreman ... But. that's not the point.
    Everyday life in Soviet cities - drunkenness, prostitution, crime and the fight against them in the 1920s.

    And drunkenness in tsarist times, what is described by Maxim Gorky? I would like more optimistic examples, as in the first photo ...
  • Nestor Vlakhovski
    Nestor Vlakhovski 22 December 2020 18: 12
    0
    It is impossible to resist the laws of nature.
    Ideals don't need to change.
    In modern Russia, it was possible to build an optimal socio-political climate for the local population, which means that there is nowhere to expect changes. Until the evolutionary process intervenes.
  • Fmax
    Fmax 22 December 2020 19: 13
    +11
    Who chooses them there? We had a turnout in the district at first 13%, then sharply 2 hours before closing it increased to 34, from somewhere they took that the majority took edro and here are the deputies ready. That is, in fact, people simply boycotted the elections, and the winners were still taken from somewhere, and not sent all of them to the holy land. And so with all the elections. The mayor is hired under a contract and no one can change it. So what about "we choose" is nonsense.
    1. kalibr
      22 December 2020 19: 18
      -10%
      Quote: FMax
      So what about "we choose" is nonsense.

      So choose who gets in the way. Or don't choose at all. Then the fraud will become apparent.
      1. Fmax
        Fmax 22 December 2020 19: 42
        +8
        This is already obvious.
        1. kalibr
          22 December 2020 19: 49
          -8
          Quote: FMax
          This is already obvious.

          But not proven! Words are an empty sound! We need evidence more serious than the OBS information.
          1. Fmax
            Fmax 22 December 2020 20: 03
            +13
            Well, go prove it. Collecting evidence is not difficult. Even in my small town there are enough videos and messages from "observers" on falsifications, postscripts, etc. All honest Alushta watched these opuses. The communists ran around the prosecutor's offices and the election commissions, waving evidence, but I don't see high-profile cases and that at least something in the city has changed. A bunch of defendants from the mountains. administration for corruption for years under investigation, and no one gives the progress of the case in the end.
            It comes to the ridiculous, deputy. The head of the Investigation Committee initiated a case against one boor. Ukhar "ordered" an investigator. The investigator was beaten half to death, miraculously escaped, the executors were taken in the end, they proved the "order" and the connection with the "ukhar". For 3 years now, all the investigations have been dragging on, the follower has even recovered and is going to work, and the bastard, as he rode around the city, continues to ride, and that year he was also accepted into the edro.
            Good luck, prove it%)
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 22 December 2020 21: 50
              +4
              The people have the government that has it!
              1. Gato
                Gato 23 December 2020 02: 03
                +6
                The people have the government that has it!

                You can reformulate it in another way: if someone agrees to wear a saddle on their back, then there will always be those who wear spurs.
                1. Fmax
                  Fmax 24 December 2020 22: 22
                  0
                  If you are not Vova Putin and think at least in a school biology course, you will understand both the current capitalist feudalism and everything that awaits us ahead%)
  • mister-red
    mister-red 22 December 2020 22: 14
    +11
    In the old days free of charge, teeth with pulpitis were treated without anesthesia.

    The author goes overboard. "Nerve removal", as it was called, was done after the arsenic was applied. Another question is that often arsenic was probably expired, so there was pain. Without arsenic, removing a nerve is not for the faint of heart. When I was young, I did it once, arsenic did not work, the doctor asked if we would put it again or so. I was after the army, and a Marine, of course. I have never done this again in my life - the pain is terrible, tears like a crocodile. But he survived. And yes, well nafig him.
    Nobody offered it just like that without arsenic, you can even faint.

    Now ... first the injection site is anesthetized, and only then it is injected with a needle.

    This is probably done for children, women and especially sensitive ones. I go to a dental clinic once a year, anesthesia with gel for any minor work, and if something is serious, then an injection without any gel.
    In short, the author is definitely not a "man")))
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 22 December 2020 23: 10
      +7
      The author is not a "man" but simply a liberalistic, eco-friendly historian
  • bandabas
    bandabas 23 December 2020 01: 15
    +6
    Paradox. Nobody elects these clowns anywhere.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 23 December 2020 01: 36
    +1
    Mr. Shpakovsky. Don't touch our women. Forward to their historical homeland.
    1. kalibr
      23 December 2020 07: 27
      +1
      Well, all of you are guided by the surname. Well, after all, I wrote more than once. And I would be glad to go there from such ... s, but there are no roots, no. Alas! And then, what do you write "your women" to? This is mistake. People like you have "women"!
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 23 December 2020 11: 29
        +4
        Oh, do not insult unfamiliar women! Unworthy. You yourself, in your previously published article, wrote that the criterion for selecting a spouse for yourself was the ability to cook well. Well, who has a "woman" after that?
        1. kalibr
          23 December 2020 11: 42
          -1
          The ability to cook well, Alexander, is inherent in women. Women are preparing a gang bang! The fact that you don't even understand this is sad. And you also undertake to understand high matters ...
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 23 December 2020 11: 51
            +4
            "Women are preparing a bang" are you talking about your childhood?
            1. kalibr
              23 December 2020 12: 07
              0
              As a child, my grandmother cooked very traditionally, and this was her drawback, which eventually sent her to the grave. But within the framework of tradition, she cooked well. And my mother rarely cooked, but well. Intelligence, you know, it manifests itself in the kitchen in the most noticeable way.
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 23 December 2020 12: 27
                +2
                What shortcoming do you write about who sent your grandmother to the grave?
                Intelligence in the kitchen! The topic of a new job?
                1. kalibr
                  23 December 2020 15: 24
                  -2
                  She cooked according to the traditions of Elena Malokhovets. Everything is fat, rich, the ear of three fish ... Hence the problems with stones, operations, and a grave plaque. Wushu ate at night! I needed a glass of kefir. And after all, by the way, they wrote about all this already then. But it passed through her like water through a sieve. And in general, it makes no sense to write about intelligence, including in the kitchen. He is libor or not, and in an adult state this can no longer be corrected.
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 23 December 2020 15: 34
                    +4
                    Cholelithiasis or kidney stones?
                    You yourself wrote about intelligence in the kitchen. I understand that you meant your own wife.
                    1. kalibr
                      23 December 2020 16: 18
                      -1
                      Why do you need these details? Then you will also write about the "grandfather of the Polish general." I have answered you enough.
                      1. ee2100
                        ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 42
                        +4
                        Do not die from the presence of stones in the body
                      2. kalibr
                        23 December 2020 17: 58
                        -2
                        Quote: ee2100
                        Do not die from the presence of stones in the body

                        You are also a doctor, it turns out. Or read this on Wiki?
                      3. ee2100
                        ee2100 23 December 2020 18: 35
                        +3
                        Yes, doctor. What surprises you?
                      4. kalibr
                        23 December 2020 18: 49
                        0
                        No, if you are a doctor, it just does not surprise me. I am not even surprised that here I am not a doctor and therefore I do not undertake to judge doctors and diseases. And you, being neither a politician, nor a sociologist, nor ... judge, and categorically, about the things that others have given years of professional activity, wrote a bunch of textbooks, articles, that is ... they understand. And this despite the fact that medical practice requires constant reading of medical journals, self-education ... That is, a doctor has no time to read the journal Voprosy istorii. I think so ... Don't you think that it is rash to judge all this on an obviously philistine level? That the course of culturology in the first year of a medical university is not exactly the kind of education that brings the "humble reader" to the level of a loud critic?
                      5. ee2100
                        ee2100 23 December 2020 19: 26
                        +4
                        We were not taught culturology. I am not categorically judging. I always express my point of view for which I have reason. If you consider it a criticism, then you perceive it that way. I have not read and do not read the magazine "Voprosy istorii"
                      6. kalibr
                        23 December 2020 20: 57
                        -1
                        What kind of medical school did you graduate from? She was put on the program of the Ministry of Education in the first year in all medical institutions of the country! One semester. We have a medical faculty at Penza University - there is this discipline, I read it to future general practitioners for one year.
                      7. ee2100
                        ee2100 23 December 2020 22: 16
                        +4
                        I graduated from the university in 1981. There was no such discipline yet. There was medical ethics and then a couple of lectures.
                      8. kalibr
                        24 December 2020 21: 08
                        -1
                        Sorry! Still, this is an interesting discipline, although a lot, as always, depends on the teacher. We even have a special course in the history of medicine. And also ... someone reads very interestingly, and someone ... hard.
                      9. ee2100
                        ee2100 24 December 2020 23: 48
                        +1
                        These subjects were introduced to the course to replace the history of the party, etc. Their value is minimal. I don't know how the process of teaching history works, but in medicine everything comes from the basics. Chemistry (organic, non-organic, biochemistry) biology, anatomy, histology, etc. And only then the study of diseases when there is a basis of knowledge.
                      10. kalibr
                        25 December 2020 08: 02
                        -1
                        In the 90s I had a special course "History of military affairs from ancient times". The value for all specialties is minimal. But there were no empty seats in the audience. They came "to visit" from neighboring faculties. And even the girls prepared the test with joy. Because in addition to an abstract of 8000 characters on any topic, it was necessary to weave a square decimeter of chain mail, ordinary, double, triple, Turkish, Japanese ... from a grower. Everyone was very interested. Three guys then began to weave custom-made gloves ...
                      11. ee2100
                        ee2100 25 December 2020 09: 53
                        +1
                        Everything is correct. Someone reads boring lectures, but on "business", and someone gives material and makes a show of them. In our anatomy, I'm afraid to make a mistake in the name, one associate professor spent up to 50% of the time on questions from the audience. The questions were very different and "foreign" students also came. In traumatology, he was a candidate of medical sciences. Zherebtsov (funny surname) and almost all classes were in this spirit hee hee yes ha ha. It's good that it was the 5th year and we prepared for the exam almost independently.
  • Nitarius
    Nitarius 23 December 2020 05: 14
    0
    one wrote nonsense .. another posted it here! Well, that's how myths are written! false! but I know for sure that my grandfather did not drink!
  • Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 23 December 2020 08: 37
    +4
    > And we again stand up for taking away and dividing. And who will lead the split - the “sofa experts” from the VO? Or will the genius of Comrade Grudinin be enough for the whole country? And he will punish all the bad ones, but will he reward the good ones who have kept in their hearts the faith in "sicism"? It's not even funny to believe in such a thing.

    There is a certain sense in at least rethinking the results of illegal and criminal privatization, in a neat way, without further destruction.
    What does Grudinin have to do with him, who also needs to be checked? How does he fit in with the great Stalin?
    The biased opinion is not funny.

    But it's funny about the sofa experts) I think there are a lot of comrades with high intelligence, incorrect expression in relation to readers.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 23 December 2020 08: 45
    +6
    A seemingly normal topic was raised by the author. I tried to highlight, let's say, some of the sociocultural phenomena that are characteristic of Russian society in historical retrospect. I took printed periodicals as a source of information. Maybe the author has simplified the presentation a little, but this is an interesting topic anyway.
    However, which is traditional for the site, in the comments, instead of a constructive discussion, a shit and discussion of the author's personality immediately began. Although there are no clear objections yet.
    After all, some socio-cultural phenomena in Russia, about which the author writes, really demonstrate the wonders of longevity. For example, paternalism, or what is usually called "faith in a good king", when the people perceive themselves as children, and representatives of the authorities - as parents who are obliged to take care of their offspring in everything. At the top of the power, of course, is the infallible “supreme father”, whom the bad boyars prevent from grooming and cherishing their people. Three changes of socio-political formations have passed - feudalism, capitalism, socialism, and again capitalism, though wild, centuries have passed, but Russian paternalism is unshakable to this day, and liberalism is a swear word.
    And where is the author wrong?
    By the way, nobody was surprised that the article was in the "Opinions" section, and Samsonov's next delirium was in the "History" section.
    1. depressant
      depressant 23 December 2020 09: 53
      +4
      Dear colleague, the bitter irony of Vyacheslav Olegovich, inviting to a serious conversation about the final exhaust of our historical deviations of the 20th century and 20 years of the present, inviting to a serious conversation about what was done wrong and why not, was not understood. Maybe because the Author is a convenient target on which you can bring down your own grievances for all these "wrong".
      1. kalibr
        23 December 2020 11: 46
        +2
        Quote: depressant
        Maybe because the Author is a convenient target,

        Namely, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. A concrete embodiment of universal evil! "And then on the ruins of a mosque ...". "Three suede jackets ..." It's a shame, you know! "
    2. ee2100
      ee2100 23 December 2020 11: 20
      +2
      The author did not "touch on the topic", but slightly and one-sidedly decided to "drive the wave". Indeed, the author also got a lot in the comments, which means that some of the visitors of this site treat him this way, not everyone should be "unctuous".
      You have noticed that Shpakovsky and Samsonov have changed places, but what's so surprising? Shpakovsky climbed onto Samsonov's garden. If one is allowed, then so is the other.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 December 2020 11: 45
        +2
        For someone he "drove the wave", for someone "touched on the topic." Someone, having read the article, Remembered Pitirim Sorokin, and someone did not advance beyond the author's name. All according to Cicero.
        1. ee2100
          ee2100 23 December 2020 12: 07
          +2
          The leitmotif of Shpakovsky's article "sit and do not twitch" in the paradigm of modern power "do not rock the boat."
          And where does Pitirim Sorokin have to do with it?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 23 December 2020 12: 25
            +5
            I already wrote above that everyone in the article heard their own "leitmotif". There is nothing more to add.
            And where does Pitirim Sorokin have to do with it?
            He wrote a book - "Social and Cultural Dynamics". Haven't you read it?
            1. ee2100
              ee2100 23 December 2020 12: 31
              +2
              No, I haven't. The fact that he wrote that not every crime can be regarded as a crime I know.
              But it is unacceptable to put Shpakovsky and Sorokin on a par.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 23 December 2020 12: 37
                +6
                And where did I put Shpakovsky and Sorokin in one row?
                If someone writes about the war of 1812, this does not mean that he stood in line with Leo Tolstoy.
                And read Sorokin.
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 23 December 2020 12: 50
                  +5
                  You can also recommend Johann Bloch and Eduard Fuchs, since a colleague is so focused on prostitution.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 23 December 2020 13: 05
                    +5
                    Which of the three Edward Fuchs do you recommend reading, I hope not a German? To me, purely by virtue of my profession, the geologist is closest of all.
                    And Bloch, he is insidious, wrote mainly in German. Pravda "The History of Prostitution" has been published in Russian translation.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 23 December 2020 13: 19
                      +4
                      Pravda "The History of Prostitution" has been published in Russian translation.
                      Twice.
                      E. Fuchs "History of Morals". Also German. For you it may seem like "easy reading".
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 23 December 2020 13: 30
                        +2
                        By the way, it is also illustrated. German though.
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 23 December 2020 13: 37
                        +3
                        Exactly. By the way, the Russian-language edition is gorgeous!
              2. ee2100
                ee2100 23 December 2020 12: 50
                +4
                I don’t think Tolstoy’s novel "War and Peace" is about the war of 1812, incl. yes, but more about life.
                Maybe I will read Sorokin.
    3. kalibr
      23 December 2020 11: 48
      +2
      Quote: ee2100
      and one-sided

      What is it like? Do you know another "side" of the given figures? Me not. Probably you and I have read different sources and dissertations. Well, bring your own?
      1. ee2100
        ee2100 23 December 2020 11: 58
        +4
        I wrote that you one-sidedly evaluated the historical period through the prism of dissertations on crime, prostitution, etc.
        You perfectly understand that these phenomena have been and will be under any form of government.
        And here you are a writer, and I am a modest reader.
        1. kalibr
          23 December 2020 12: 02
          0
          Quote: ee2100
          and I am a humble reader.

          Well, behave accordingly!
          Quote: ee2100
          You perfectly understand that these phenomena have been and will be under any form of government.

          And if you understand this, then don't write about one-sidedness. Because then it will be a different topic! Clear? There are articles about cruisers, but they don't mention aircraft carriers. Does this mean that they are one-sided? No, because this is the topic.
          1. ee2100
            ee2100 23 December 2020 12: 10
            +4
            Vyacheslav, you have been somewhat aggressive lately! This is not intelligent.
            1. kalibr
              23 December 2020 15: 30
              0
              As to me, so do I ... It's normal. I already wrote, after 66 I don’t want to worry, there’s no time! And then intelligence determines not this, but the presence of ancestors. Someone here wrote very well that the British say that in order to be in the elite (that is, simply intelligent people) you need your grandfather to have a higher education. Mine just had it!
              1. ee2100
                ee2100 23 December 2020 15: 43
                +6
                I offended you with something if you wrote to me to behave modestly?
                You are deeply mistaken in asserting that intelligence is determined by the presence of educated ancestors. The notion of intilling is present only on the territory of the former USSR, and everywhere there is the notion of an intellectual. And these are two big differences.
                Study this question, it is very informative.
                And one should not confuse the concept of elite and intellectual.
                1. kalibr
                  23 December 2020 16: 06
                  -1
                  Quote: ee2100
                  You are deeply mistaken in asserting that intelligence is determined by the presence of educated ancestors.

                  It is you who are deeply mistaken, thinking otherwise ... A person is formed by the environment and education. Open the textbook "Pedagogy" for VS and it says in black and white: up to 5 years old, a child will learn more about life than in the rest of his life. Can't continue further?
                  1. ee2100
                    ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 20
                    +4
                    A child under two years old receives 50% of all information in a lifetime. We read different textbooks. Intelligence has nothing to do with the environment or education. You confuse this with culture in general and culture of behavior in particular. Intelligent a certain outlook on oneself and on life. I consider, for myself, intiligent a dirty word.
                    Remember the "intelligence locksmith"? A "lousy intilligent"?
                    Would you be interested in the origin of the word "intilligent"
                    1. kalibr
                      23 December 2020 16: 44
                      -1
                      Quote: ee2100
                      I consider, for myself, intiligent a dirty word.

                      And who is interested in your "reading"? Consider your health. There are those who believe that the Earth is flat. Good luck!
                    2. ee2100
                      ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 45
                      +4
                      Are you an intellectual?
                    3. kalibr
                      23 December 2020 17: 53
                      -1
                      Without a doubt, and already in the 3rd generation ...
                2. kalibr
                  23 December 2020 16: 45
                  -3
                  Quote: ee2100
                  You confuse this with culture in general and culture of behavior in particular. Intelligent a certain outlook on oneself and on life.

                  And these are not identical concepts? If in your opinion they are not identical, then ... you are even more stupid than you seem!
                3. ee2100
                  ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 49
                  +4
                  I have already advised you to understand the concept of intilligent.
                  Culture is one concept, and intiligent is completely different. Wiki will help you.
                4. kalibr
                  23 December 2020 17: 45
                  -1
                  Quote: ee2100
                  Wiki will help you.

                  I, Alexander, Viki in such cases do not use, I taught this at the Higher School from 1995 to 2017.
                5. ee2100
                  ee2100 23 December 2020 17: 47
                  +4
                  What can I say - sorry for the students!
            2. ee2100
              ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 51
              +4
              If you think that you can retell in your own words the brochure "Rise on the cruiser" Ochakav "and this gives you the right to be rude, rude and even offend visitors to this sub-site, then you expect an appropriate attitude towards yourself.
            3. kalibr
              23 December 2020 17: 50
              -2
              Quote: ee2100
              this gives you the right to be rude, rude and even offend visitors to this sub-site,

              Who is it that offends you? I tell you the truth, and you climb into the bottle. Trying to teach me ... even funny. And your attitude ... God bless him. Since 2014, some have been proving everything to me ... Do you want to follow their path? Go on. The site needs clicks and comments.
            4. ee2100
              ee2100 23 December 2020 17: 52
              +4
              That's agreed. And I will tell you the truth!
  • kalibr
    23 December 2020 16: 14
    -2
    Quote: ee2100
    The notion of intiligent is present only on the territory of the former USSR, and everywhere there is the notion of an intellectual. And these are two big differences.
    Study this question, it is very informative.
    And one should not confuse the concept of elite and intellectual.

    After this, one must not only "modestly", but very modestly behave ... And Pitirim Sorokin ... read it. And also the novel "The Red Star" by A. Bogdanov, "The Revolution Betrayed" by Trotsky, "The Situation of the Working Class in England" by Engels, "The Theory of Elites" by V. Pareto (at least at the level of an abstract on political science) ... so many things .. that you shouldn't take it. In much knowledge, there is much sorrow ...
    1. ee2100
      ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 24
      +4
      It's certainly not for you to tell me what to do and what to read.
      1. kalibr
        23 December 2020 16: 42
        0
        And not for you to advise me what to study, right? By the way, I can just advise you ...
      2. ee2100
        ee2100 23 December 2020 16: 44
        +5
        We are all from the land of the Soviets. And I will advise you to study the question of the intelligentsia more deeply
      3. kalibr
        23 December 2020 17: 51
        -2
        Quote: ee2100
        And I will advise you to study the question of the intelligentsia more deeply

        Learn Pitirim first ...
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 12: 08
    +5
    Three changes of socio-political formations have passed - feudalism, capitalism, socialism and again capitalism, it is true, wild, centuries have passed, but Russian paternalism is unshakable to this day, and liberalism is a swear word.

    Viktor Nikolaevich, I read Averchenko's "Russian history" here the other day. It's funny, but the mentality reflects. Well, there is also our Nikolai Vasilyevich Gogol - this one is generally immortal in terms of character description. hi
    The article is somewhat superficial, but you can grasp its message ... If you read it carefully and do not give free rein to unnecessary emotions. Usually everything rolls towards the latter. what
    By the way, nobody was surprised that the article was in the "Opinions" section, and Samsonov's next delirium was in the "History" section.

    And what, he is there again with the Russo-Aryans of the Slavic-Hyperboreans from the Horde on the Kulikovo field beats? wink
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 23 December 2020 12: 21
      +5
      No, today he is driving impostors across Russia. There, too, comments in the usual way - the Romanovs illegally usurped power and hired the Germans, who rewrote the entire history of Russia at random.
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 12: 48
        +2
        The Romanovs illegally usurped power

        This is what Shirokorad says. drinks
        and hired the Germans who rewrote the entire history of Russia at random.

        For the Germans. The Romanovs in the 40s of the 17th century broke the trade agreement with the British. With the wording: "Because those English Germans killed their king Carolus to death." fellow Ornate, isn't it? good
        And what kind of "Germans" were rewriting history for us? Anglican or Dutch?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 23 December 2020 12: 56
          +3
          If according to Benjamin, then Cro-Magnon.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 13: 04
            +2
            If according to Benjamin, then Cro-Magnon.

            Cro-Magnon Paleonese? wink Yes, I remember something. At that time they still had a war with either the Pecheneks or the Echpochmaks ... wassat
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 23 December 2020 13: 26
              +2
              You were absent at the moment when the Reverend made a sensational statement that all Cro-Magnons are "Germans" and he, as a true descendant of Neanderthals, despises us.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 13: 32
                +3
                as a true descendant of Neanderthals

                Interesting ... belay Then the zoo and the Cabinet of Curiosities will cry for him, if it is proved.
                all Cro-Magnons are "Germans"

                Don't tell Samsonov! stop Otherwise, we will really learn the real story of the confrontation between the noble-spiritual Hyperborean Neandertals and the brazenly cruel Anglo-Saxon Cro-Magnons. wassat
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 23 December 2020 13: 39
                  +3
                  I don't even read Samsonov's article from that article.
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 13: 48
                    +2
                    I don't even read Samsonov's article from that article.

                    So do I. Sometimes I look to be horrified again at how the Masons have perverted our history.
        2. Undecim
          Undecim 23 December 2020 13: 01
          +3
          Yes, all the same, German, Miller & Company, Blumentrost, Keyserling, von Korf, von Brevern and Razumovsky, who joined them.
          If it were not for the historian Pyzhikov, we would never have learned anything about how it actually happened.
          1. Pane Kohanku
            Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 13: 08
            +3
            If it were not for the historian Pyzhikov, we would never have learned anything about how it actually happened.

            I read the biography of Pyzhikov on Wikipedia. He doesn't inspire confidence in me. As if, about the dead, it's either good or not - but I will say so.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 23 December 2020 13: 13
              +2
              So you are mired in the grayest substance in the official history that the Germans have created.
              And people who have climbed the bright mountain heights of true history honor Pyzhikov.
              1. Pane Kohanku
                Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 13: 20
                +3
                So you are mired in the grayest substance in the official history that the Germans have created.

                You mentioned Razumovsky. wink Which one is it? If the last hetman, then Kirill Grigorievich, in 1762, just took the side of the "Russian party", and at the head of the Izmailovsky regiment, the Germans went exactly what to beat - there, in the direction of Petershtadt! fellow
                But it’s interesting .. If Peter III had not been dumped then, and he would have really ordered the priests to shave their beards ... now there would be plenty of space for alternative opinions! laughing
                By the way, Shirokorad, like a bearded man, also suffers from the beards cut off by Peter I ... He says - why purkua? crying
                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 23 December 2020 13: 34
                  +4
                  If the last hetman, then Kirill Grigorievich in 1762, just took the side of the "Russian party"
                  It was he who was disguised. And who headed the Academy of Sciences for more than half a century? And who were he academics?
                  1. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 13: 46
                    +4
                    And who headed the Academy of Sciences for more than half a century? And who were he academics?

                    I remember that the leader of the Academy, Prince Dondukov-Korsakov (clearly from an Eastern clan) enjoyed a clearly "Western vice" - so much so that Pushkin even wrote an epigram.
                    1. The comment was deleted.
                    2. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 14: 20
                      +2
                      The head of the academy at that time was Count Uvarov.

                      It's funny! Uvarov was married to the granddaughter of the last hetman we mentioned, Razumovsky.
                      Was it Uvarov who created the famous slogan: "Orthodoxy, Autocracy and Nationality"?
                    3. Undecim
                      Undecim 23 December 2020 14: 44
                      +4
                      Another funny thing! The commentary with Pushkin's epigram was removed. I would like to see this censor, clearly a friend of Dondukov-Korsakov, who also worked as a censor.
                    4. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 14: 52
                      +3
                      Another funny thing! The commentary with Pushkin's epigram was removed.

                      Viktor Nikolaevich, next time write - "because ass there is". hi It is clear that it is awkward, and we are confused in quatrains, but this word is a common expression, and not obscene vocabulary. laughing Moderators are people too! And, despite the historicity of your epigram (and you are always extremely accurate with the sources! lol ), they have to grudgingly chop it off for the sake of non-proliferation of vulgarisms on the site! request wink Eck I turned it over, eh? drinks
        3. Andrey Krasnoyarsky
          Andrey Krasnoyarsky 28 December 2020 13: 52
          0
          How long can you repeat the nonsense about "the Germans who wrote Russian history ???" on all the nooks and crannies of the Internet ??? Many German (and not only) historians have studied the history of Russia, but, firstly, they all studied only individual problems of Russian history, mainly revolving around the vocation of Rurik, and secondly, there was no German (or French or Burundian or Thai) concept of the history of Russia, each German offered his own theory. Even the notorious Bayer - Miller - Schletzer proposed three different versions of the Norman theory, not just one. If we talk about Russian history as an extended continuous process, and not its individual fragments, then the creators of that are Tatishchev. Lomonosov, Shcherbatov, Karamzin, and in the 19th century - Soloviev, Klyuchevsky, Platonov. Which one is German?
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 28 December 2020 14: 14
            0
            It was you at whom you threw the lightning of a fiery criticism?
    2. depressant
      depressant 23 December 2020 14: 23
      +4
      Well, let's get the power)))
      And then all the people are not what they want.
      In my comments on other topics, I have said several times that Putin's reign increasingly reminds me of the reign of Nicholas II, who strongly contributed to the prosperity of foreign industry in our territory, without providing protectionism to his own, and gave the extraction of minerals in concession to foreigners. What caused the sharp discontent of the most diverse strata of the population, and what this led to, we know.
      And so that you might think, not later than yesterday, I came across Peskov's statement, as it turned out, a long time ago, but I did not know about him, that yes, we are working on the approach of the current era to the reign of Nicholas II. And from this we can conclude that everything is going according to Putin's planned individual plan of approaching the image of the king, and that plan is being implemented so successfully that even I, not knowing about Peskov's words, noticed this success for Putin and failure for most of us.
      And here is another important feature of the implementation of Putin's plan, if someone did not understand, did not appreciate. Namely: the law on the immunity of the president signed either yesterday or today ...
      Well, look.
      Nicholas II is the anointed of God. Colleagues will tell you in which church and which holy father anointed him. What does the anointing mean? That the king is sacred, inviolable, for his will is the will of God. And whoever breaks the rule, he encroaches on God's will, a blasphemer, we condemn, etc.
      Putin cannot be anointed to the kingdom for one simple reason - not only the overwhelming part of the population of our country, but the whole world will laugh, and the semi-legal collateral heirs of the Romanov dynasty will immediately present their claims to the throne, since it was formed, and what the hell is not joking , will receive foreign military support, perhaps an invasion is a good excuse, Putin will be completely shaking hands ... And so on. And then Putin, knowing full well that they want to kill, they will kill (roughly as he put it about Navalny), nevertheless adopts a law that does not protect him in any way, waking up that. So why? But because the inviolability of the ruling person is one of the parts of the formula for the anointing to the kingdom. A consistent approach to an unnamed, but already quite tangible fetish. Hence the desire to morally kill the USSR, as if it did not exist in nature.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 December 2020 14: 27
        +7
        Putin cannot be anointed for the kingdom for one simple reason - not only the overwhelming part of the population of our country, but the whole world will laugh
        Vague doubts plague most of the population. Especially if the issue is submitted to a national referendum.
        1. depressant
          depressant 23 December 2020 15: 18
          +6
          Putin will never bring the issue of his anointing to a national referendum. For the first thing that comes to mind of everyone who is at least in the least familiar with the history of the Fatherland is: "Does he want to finish like Nikolai?" Putin will not provoke the population to this line of thought, he is not his enemy.
          By diligently building in our minds the association of his person with an unsuccessful tsar, Putin is doing his best to create his own tsarist image as more successful in comparison with Nicholas. He kind of hints, they say, the lesson has been learned, we are working on the mistakes of the previous government. If Nicholas ruled in such a way that the people felt tattered, now the people live in anticipation of handouts from the royal hand. Do you understand what image of the future is being built in our minds? The law on youth adopted today also speaks in favor of this image. Now up to 35 people are young. And to this, within the framework of the youth policy dictated by the law, is attached a bunch of handouts from the state, consider it, from the tsar, who will execute and pardon his administrative boyars, depending on whether the handouts are given out or squeezed by local budgets.
          This is the future. And if earlier the child declared that he was already an adult and was offended if he was not recognized as such, now, within the framework of the general infantilization of society, it turns out that we have 41 million young people. And everyone gets the right not to be responsible for themselves as the breadwinner of the family, but to stand with with an uncovered head and a hand stretched out to the good king in anticipation of a handout. Smart! You will not refuse.
          1. Minato2020
            Minato2020 24 December 2020 04: 05
            +3
            Quote: depressant

            ... The law on youth adopted today also speaks in favor of this image. Now up to 35 people are young ...


            Reminds the novel by Ivan Efremov "The Hour of the Bull", where there was a division into
            QGI (short-lived) - who were allowed to live up to 35 years

            and JI (long-lived) - who were allowed to live after 65 years.

            True, there were also technical employees and scientists,
            but under the control of the serpentines.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 23 December 2020 22: 05
        +2
        Lyudmila Yakovlevna, the adopted law on the inviolability of ex-presidents!
        1. depressant
          depressant 23 December 2020 22: 26
          +2
          Anton, I understand that the ex-presidents)))
          Now imagine that a law on the inviolability of the president is being adopted! I typed the text and I laugh)))
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 23 December 2020 22: 40
            +2
            Will the president of the Association of balalaika players of Udmurtia also be immune?
          2. depressant
            depressant 23 December 2020 23: 05
            +4
            Well, here, she laughed)))
            There is a psychological moment. We have never had a law on the non-jurisdiction of former general secretaries and presidents. And then suddenly such a law appears: the former is not subject to jurisdiction! What does this mean? About the self-erection of the person who signed it into holiness after resignation. But this cannot be that the president was a sinner, but left his post, closed the Spassky Gate behind him and immediately became a saint. So, as president, he is already a saint. So the king, even though through the law, but the anointed of God.
            It follows that by signing the law, Putin officially appointed himself tsar.
          3. Minato2020
            Minato2020 24 December 2020 04: 09
            +1
            Quote: depressant
            ... Now imagine that a law on the inviolability of the president is being adopted! I typed the text and I laugh)))


            A bit from the internet.

            The activities of B. Yeltsin as President of Russia are beyond jurisdiction.
            Signed on the eve of the new year of 2000 by then acting head of state Vladimir Putin
            Decree No. 1763 "On guarantees to the President of the Russian Federation who has terminated the exercise of his powers,
            and his family members. "

            Clause "e" of this Decree, which established the regime of legal immunity:
            “The President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, has immunity. The President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers, cannot be brought to criminal or administrative responsibility, detained, arrested, subjected to a search, interrogation, or personal search.
            The immunity of the President of the Russian Federation, who has ceased to exercise his powers,
            applies to the residential and service premises occupied by him, the vehicles used by him,
            means of communication, documents and luggage belonging to him, for his correspondence. "

            Putin gave Boris Yeltsin full legal immunity, which excludes any legal possibility of bringing him to justice ...
            1. depressant
              depressant 24 December 2020 10: 04
              +1
              Colleague Minato2020, according to the established practice, it is customary for us not to execute decrees. The likelihood of compliance with the law is somewhat higher. The decree you mentioned is apparently the only one that has been carried out.
              1. Minato2020
                Minato2020 25 December 2020 05: 20
                +1
                Quote: depressant

                ... according to the established practice, it is customary for us not to execute decrees ...


                And it is sad that Presidential Decrees are often not a decree for government officials.
  • SiberianGun
    SiberianGun 23 December 2020 09: 19
    +3
    I adhere to the idea: it is impossible to link the explanation of the criminalization of society directly with the level of society's wealth. The criminalization of society is directly related to culture. If there is an idea of ​​permissiveness in a society, the practice of massive violation of the law, greed, money-grubbing and other vices, then such a society will inevitably be criminalized. And corrupt, which is also included in the criminalization.
    Therefore, it turns out that until we change our mentality, our view of the world and our place in it, we will remain Russian in the bad sense of the word. Again, the Russian people also have more worthy cultural habits, such as honesty, sincerity, protection of the weak, honor (it has long been forgotten ...), helping one's neighbor, each other.
    So we need to improve our culture gradually - only without the gulag and other violence, there is such a concept of "soft power" ...
  • TAMBU
    TAMBU 23 December 2020 14: 06
    -1
    oh, for a long time the guards were not heard ... about the teeth, yes ... with pulpitis and one treshka ukolchik ... with two 4. The minimum EEP 12 with a penny ... without pulpitis means enough to undergo treatment, only citizens eat these teeth only next month ... that means what a story it turns out ...
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 23 December 2020 14: 19
    +1
    = Try to manage at least a couple of oil rigs ... Oh, how difficult it is. =
    Of course not easy. But why? Yes, simply because you are in the work of these towers are not at all. But if you make some effort, thoroughly study her work, it turns out that it is not at all difficult.
    Any job is hard if you don't know or know how. And only simple physical labor is always hard.
    = And we again stand up for taking away and dividing. = laughing
    I recognize the author by primitive thinking. I didn't read further.
  • Pavel57
    Pavel57 23 December 2020 20: 29
    +2
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: AKuzenka
    Of course you are right, it was not. And there was no USSR. And you are not there either. There was always only RI, and then Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin suddenly came to power.

    It is convenient, of course, to bring everything to the point of absurdity. But the same "Tyap-Lyap" from this will not go anywhere. sad

    I'm not even talking about organized crime in the USSR. The case of the Leningrad trade in the 60s (in which gold was seized in tens of kilograms), the case of Moscow judges, guild workers, numerous cases in the national republics. The system is rotten through and through - in Uzbekistan, EMNIP, up to a quarter of the cotton harvest simply disappeared into documents, but at the same time it traveled throughout the country, processed, weaved, cut, sewn - and only surfaced in volumes of investigations. Towards the end of the USSR, the first persons of the party and economic leadership of the territories and republics passed through criminal cases - but the threads leading to Moscow were cut at the root.

    There is another judgment - that the Uzbek affairs were inflated to intimidate the outskirts, the goal of the top was the collapse of the USSR.
    In the current history textbooks of Uzbekistan, this period is described as the second period of repression.
  • Devil13
    Devil13 24 December 2020 10: 39
    +2
    The author pushed it and decided that the dohera was smart.
    1. There was prostitution in the USSR, ahh!
    In 1920 it was not even the USSR yet. This is the USSR since 1922, but the real one, already strengthened, from 1930 to 1953 somewhere.
    At least the majority of people consider this period to be the most just and personification of what we remember as "USSR".
    After all, in 1989, too, still the USSR, remember the high-profile criminal cases, organized crime groups and cooperatives?
    2. Salary of officers. Now the captain receives fifty dollars. Rent an apartment -30-20 thousand, cognac - 700 rubles in five. Let's compare?
    "The future Marshal of the Soviet Union Boris Mikhailovich Shaposhnikov recalled that as a young officer he received in the imperial army 67 rubles. apartment - 9 rubles, for tea, sugar, tobacco, laundry - 30 rubles, for uniforms - 12 rubles, for deductions to the battalion - 15-10 rubles, for the salary of a batman - 10 rubles, after which 10-15 remained rubles, and with the addition of summer camp money - up to 3. According to the commander, life was quite modest, and it is difficult to disagree with this opinion. The general financial position of the officers, naturally, depended on the military rank. The annual salary of generals on June 11, 16 year was 20 rubles, lieutenant generals - 1 rubles, major generals - 1907 rubles, colonels - 2100 rubles, lieutenant colonels - 1800 rubles, captains - 1500 rubles, staff captains - 1200 rubles.In addition to salary, officers were entitled to additional payments and benefits, primarily canteens and apartments th. For example, at the beginning of the twentieth century, 1080 rubles were issued per year to acquire a horse with all the harness. Some officers received funds for servants in the amount of 900 rubles. per month. Outwardly, the figures are considerable - the annual salary of the staff captains alone, without other payments, was approximately twice the annual salary of primary school teachers. What to spend your salary on What could you afford with this money? In fact, a lot. Eating for a month, without denying yourself anything, could be within 780-300 rubles. (Breakfast in 10 could have cost 55 kopecks.). At the same time, table payments often exceeded the size of the salary. Now let's look at the prices. A pood of wheat flour cost 60 rubles, a bag of potatoes 1912 rubles, a pound of meat 50-2,5 kopecks, a bottle of vodka 1 kopecks, a bottle of brandy 10 rubles, a pair of boots 12-30 rubles, a pair of cowhide boots 1,5 rub. For comparison, the salary of a skilled worker averaged 5 rubles. a month (the average earnings of a worker are much less - 8 rubles), an employee - 7 rubles. (Source of information - portal History.RF, https://histrf.ru/biblioteka/b/skolko-zarabatyvali-russkiie-ofitsiery-90-liet-nazad) "

    To continue the analysis, or just admit that your vyser is worthy only to dunk you into your ignorance?)
  • Andrey Krasnoyarsky
    Andrey Krasnoyarsky 28 December 2020 13: 34
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    Confirmation of the truth: everything new is well forgotten old.
  • Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 28 December 2020 19: 36
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    Well, I have not read this for a long time. Nonsense. I have been responsible for the last 90 years. Life in our country has changed, and very often and rapidly. Sometimes for the better, sometimes in the shit we’re in now. But I am sure that my father, who at the age of 14 participated in the Bolshevik underground, at 16 went to fight against the White Poles, and at 37 against the Nazis, did not live his short life in vain. The only thing that does not change with us is the scum who think that they exalt themselves, assuring that there were bad people and bad leaders before them. So what? For the first time, they slandered the feat of the peoples under the leadership of Stalin, and they got the collapse of the communist movement throughout the world, uprisings in their own country and in other socialist countries. The second time they slandered, they got the collapse of a superpower. And they are also dissatisfied - they distort, they say, the historical truth, do not reckon with them, impose all kinds of sanctions. Who will respect you if you do not respect your own people?