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Young Hitler: from a beggar dreamer to a preparation for the Fuhrer

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And how well it all started



Born in Austria-Hungary, on the very border with neighboring Germany, Hitler grew up in a very decent family. No, of course, he did not look like a Jewish boy with a violin and only fives. As well as the offspring of a contented and well-fed bourgeois. But the young Adolf seemed to have solid ground - his father (a petty official who diligently serves the state) and his loving mother did not bode well.

But the "bad" still began - the parent died when Hitler was not even fourteen. And, despite the fact that Hitler had a good relationship with his mother, the family began a difficult period. To support her family and have some kind of ground under her feet, Klara Hitler sold the house. Mother, Adolf and his sister moved to a small apartment in the city of Linz - all so that the remaining funds could be deposited in the bank and live on interest. This, of course, was not the existence of well-to-do rentiers - Clara had to economize and approach everything in the highest degree economically. But she did it.


Hitler's parents.

And, nevertheless, this life was still pretty sweet and in some ways even carefree - at least for Adolf. But when in 1907, after a long illness, his mother died, Hitler began a black streak. He loved his parent very much, and lost a lot of nerves - her death became a real tragedy for the young man. True, the pill was a little sweetened by the fact that Adolf was not supposed to have such a bad inheritance, but it was possible to withdraw it from the bank account only at the age of 24.

Therefore, spitting on everything and wishing to no longer see the city associated with difficult experiences, young Hitler headed to the capital Vienna. There he intended to become an artist and conquer, if not the world, then at least the corresponding Academy.

The time of great illusions


The future Fuhrer failed this idea with a truly Stalingrad crash. As in the case of the city on the Volga, unfortunate for Hitler, at first it seemed to him that the goal was quite achievable. The first attempt, made shortly before the death of his mother, almost succeeded - the self-taught Adolf passed the preliminary selection. But the drawing exam was hopelessly overwhelmed - Hitler clearly lacked the level.

Adolf tried to enter again, but then he did not even advance to the exam: this time Hitler did not even pass the qualifying tests.

Here, both the strengths and weaknesses of the future dictator were already revealed. On the one hand, he was confident in himself and tried to realize his plans without hesitation and compromise - it was this trait that would later lead him to dictatorial power. On the other hand, he risked recklessly without thinking over plan "B". And he paid dearly for it.

Hitler came to Vienna with a certain amount of money. He was in no hurry to put them off for a rainy day and, in general, to dispose of them economically. Instead, confident of his future success, Adolf walked around Vienna and made sketches (which is useful) and also attended the opera (which was already quite wasteful) to admire Wagner's plays.

This extravagance, coupled with failures at the Academy, brought the young Hitler to the street - the poor man had nothing to pay for the apartment. I had to spend the night on the benches and stand in line for charity dinners for the poor. All this was extremely humiliating for a young man who was confident in his exclusivity and future success. But there was nothing to do.


Vienna Academy of Fine Arts

But, fortunately for himself, Hitler found a much more mundane, but practical friend in one of the shelters. After looking at Hitler's sketches, he considered that his level was sufficient to sell Adolf's paintings with city views to all sorts of shops, hotels and framing workshops. Hitler had to paint watercolors, and an enterprising friend had to implement them. Then Adolf still had to acquire the skills of a clever agitator, able to communicate with people. And he gladly agreed - everyone won.

Now Adolf was making some money on a regular basis. Not God knows what, but enough to live in a men's hostel. Conditions were not that bad - Hitler even had a private bedroom. Measuring only 1,5x2 meters, but with electric lighting - he could at least read at night. He painted his paintings in the leisure hall and ate in an inexpensive dining room.

Adolf didn't even go out into the street. He had neither the time nor the money to buy himself normal clothes - what he had on had long been repaired many times, and his boots insistently asked for porridge. The future Fuhrer also did not look very: long hair, clumpy beard growing at random, and a disappointed look.

Formation of views


True, Hitler was already famous among his neighbors for his penchant for sudden, furious monologues about politics. But in those days he had not yet had time to hone the technical, theatrical part and looked more like a lunatic than a devilishly magnetic orator.

But in Adolf, views began to form, some of the outlines of which would later set the tone for National Socialism. For example, he did not like the dominance of Jews in Vienna's theaters. Until the "final solution of the issue" was still far away, and the future Fuhrer was building more peaceful projects.

For example, he assumed that the “theatrical problem” could be solved by raising the cultural level of the Germans - not a handful of urban bohemians and bourgeois, but all at once, including the population of the provinces. Then, they say, the genuine national feeling inherent in people (as Hitler believed) will genetically take its toll, and people, free from fashion trends, will massively begin to go to the Wagner performed by "real Germans". And the question will close by itself.


Hitler's political views, which shaped the future of Europe, took shape long before he could muster supporters.

At the beginning of his Vienna journey, Hitler visited the Austro-Hungarian parliament. Any decently dressed person could enter there. Democracy in Europe was then far from its current popularity. And in most monarchies, parliaments, if they were allowed to exist, then in a comical framework ahead of time - so that they could not really decide anything, but at the same time aroused disgust from any outside observer. This worked for Hitler too.

This impression was natural - the regulations, for example, allowed the introduction of extraordinary issues for discussion at any second, and the time for the deputies to speak on these issues was not limited by anything. Therefore, if some party or faction (even if it is in an insignificant minority!) Wanted to disrupt the adoption of a decision, then it was not difficult to do so.

Know yourself, bring in a question and push a meaningless endless speech - the main thing is not to stop for a long time. It was such a powerful technique that individual speeches reached impressive length records - up to 13 hours. The virtuosos of this talking shop still contrived to drink something from a bottle or to refresh themselves with sandwiches taken from home.

Having seen enough of this circus, Hitler came to two conclusions. Firstly, parliamentarism is a burdensome and harmful clowning that does not allow solving a single slightest issue. And secondly, even if he is (so far) in the minority, there are still ways to influence politics - all that is needed is arrogance and pressure. And a democracy vulnerable to such things is perfect for that.

In addition, in the big city, Hitler managed to see enough of the demonstrations of the left forces. National feelings and a sense of his own exclusivity were too strong in him for him to seriously join them. But the future Fuhrer was reeling, watching. He understood that a truly strong movement should be massive - not in the sense of the "majority", but in the sense of being able to mobilize a large number of determined supporters into the streets.

By the way, about national feelings - they were inherent in Hitler since childhood. But it was in multinational Vienna that they got cut and could not fade away. After all, the value of feeling like a German was felt the brighter the more others were around. The presence in the capital of many Slavs and Magyars, who, as it seemed to Hitler, were ready to swallow the German minority, several generations later did not allow these national feelings to dissolve into a calm routine. On the contrary, they were kept in good shape.

On the verge of the collapse of the world


Having lived in the state of a poor artist to the age of 24, Hitler received his inheritance and went to Munich. There he tried to enter an architect, but here too he failed. In old Europe, suspicious, vulnerable and increasingly disillusioned with life, Adolf would never have ascended to political heights. But old Europe was soon to die - although in 1913 this, it would seem, did not bode well.

When the First World War broke out, Hitler immediately enlisted in the army of imperial Germany. Having fought quite bravely, he was demobilized to a completely different world. Europe was crushed by an exhausting conflict - many empires collapsed, and those great powers that somehow survived the war overwhelmed their forces. A mental breakdown struck almost all major nations. One of the few "not broken" was German.

The Germans came out of the First World War with a quality rare for the interwar period - a willingness to throw themselves into this fire again. The reason for this was a specific ending - Germany was defeated, but not on the battlefield, but at the negotiating table. The army did not collapse, did not strip the front, it retreated to Germany in perfect order. Few people knew that the available resources would not have allowed them to hold out for even a year - then it was skillfully hidden. Therefore, when the Germans were suddenly cornered for themselves in the negotiations and received the humiliating and unpleasant Peace of Versailles, they believed in the myth

"Stab in the back"

- that the war was not lost on the battlefield, but in treacherous offices.


Hitler (left) in the First World War.


A radical like Hitler, with all his intelligence and resourcefulness, with all his determination and dedication, could come to power only in such an environment. And he got it - the only time in stories Germany.

And when the habits and beliefs formed in youth were formed with the acquired skill for agitation, as well as with the unique situation in Europe, the result surpassed all the wildest expectations.

Seeing as a failure and being just a poor artist, this eccentric type not only charmed millions of Germans, but also broke through to the very heights of state power.
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  1. horus88
    horus88 23 December 2020 04: 55
    +13
    The right person, at the right time, in the right place.
    It was not necessary only to attack the USSR, but he lacked intelligence. And his stupidity cost us millions of lives ...
    It's time for politicians to start solving the country's problems from the inside, and not by staging a war that should write off everything.
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 05: 16
      +1
      Quote: horus88
      It was not necessary only to attack the USSR, but he lacked intelligence. And his stupidity cost us millions of lives ...
      Who knows, maybe in this way he worked out a credit of trust and a huge material credit of the collective West.
      1. Blacksmith 55
        Blacksmith 55 23 December 2020 08: 37
        +12
        It would be better if he was admitted to the art academy.
        Perhaps everything would have developed differently.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 09: 57
          +6
          Quote: smith 55
          It would be better if he was admitted to the art academy.
          Perhaps everything would have developed differently.

          In this same reality, Ulyanov is a middle-class lawyer, and Dzhugashvili is a priest?
          1. wkat
            wkat 23 December 2020 11: 03
            +2
            Dzhugashvili - then canonized.
          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 14: 05
            +11
            Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            In the same reality, Ulyanov is a middle-class lawyer, and Dzhugashvili is a priest

            Lenin became a lawyer precisely because of a heightened sense of justice, look who he defended, and with his intelligence - "average"? IVS, it's more difficult here, but it's definitely not an ordinary priest.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 14: 25
              -3
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Lenin became a lawyer just because of a heightened sense of justice

              nonsense. Moreover, he was not a full-fledged and independent lawyer. He was an assistant attorney at law. Do you understand the difference?
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              look who he protected

              Well? Routine trifles - petty theft, indecent behavior, beatings, blasphemy - to what they allowed, he was not free in the choice of business. This is in Samara. Petersburg archives with regards to his being Volkenstein's assistant burned down, so I think it is silly to speculate on the topic "Lenin is the star of the legal profession".
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              and with his mind - "average hand"?

              what's wrong? He was a good advocate (assistant attorney), but no more.
              Well
              Lawyers should be taken tightly and put into a state of siege, for this bastard of the intelligentsia often plays dirty tricks.

              (c) V.I. Lenin
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 14: 51
                +3
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Moreover, he was not a full-fledged and independent lawyer. He was an assistant attorney at law. Do you understand the difference?
                Everyone starts with something, but it was about a likely change of fate, right?
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Routine little things - petty theft, indecent behavior, beatings, blasphemy - to what they were allowed, he was not free in the choice of business
                As far as I know, he brought these cases to the end and sought to acquit the accused, but not the essence.
                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                therefore, I consider it silly to speculate on the topic "Lenin is the star of the legal profession"
                It's no more stupid than speculating with this:
                In the same reality, Ulyanov is an average lawyer
                Or do you deny VIL a remarkable (the smallest) mind and great capacity for work?

                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                He was a good advocate (assistant attorney), but no more.
                It was about who he could have become if circumstances did not change, not who he was.

                Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Lawyers should be taken tightly and put into a state of siege, for this bastard of the intelligentsia often plays dirty tricks.
                (c) V.I. Lenin
                Judging by the signature, these words were written at the dawn of advocacy? tongue
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 15: 19
                  -3
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Judging by the signature, these words were written at the dawn of advocacy?

                  Stasova's letter was written in January 1905. For 10 years, he has not been engaged in any "advocacy".
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  As far as I know, he brought these cases to the end and sought to acquit the accused

                  in different ways, like any lawyer - he sought to mitigate the article, less punishment, reconciliation of the parties. What has the court in some cases commuted even disagreeing with the position of the defense (i.e., Mr. Ulyanov) - this is a normal practice in relation to petty crime. There were also excuses. In general, it was not bad for a beginner lawyer.
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  it was about a likely change of fate, right?

                  my remark was rather grotesque for an alternative banal admission "if Hitler became an artist." I was not going to delve into the jungle of alternative. It was you who started the bagpipe "be Lenin a lawyer - then only great! Be Koba a priest - then only an archpastor!" What does it matter?
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 16: 29
                    +3
                    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    my remark was rather grotesque for an alternative banal admission "if Hitler became an artist"

                    Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                    It was you who started the bagpipes "be Lenin a lawyer - then only a great one! Be Koba a priest - then only an archpastor!"
                    Well, don't cry, my bagpipes are no worse than your grotesque, an equivalent exchange.
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 23 December 2020 19: 52
                    +2
                    And Petliura would not have been who he became. Before and would hardly have been remembered.
                  3. Esoteric
                    Esoteric 24 December 2020 14: 56
                    0
                    Stasova's letter was written in January 1905. For 10 years, he has not been engaged in any "advocacy".
                    He didn’t do anything at all. Under His power, classical parasitism shone on him. Is not it so? Where did he get the money for "living things", for beer which "the leader of all nations" loved very much, for a well-fed life in Switzerland? Where did the money come from? Lyova Trotsky helped? Or who else? For example, Kaiser's Germany.
              2. Slon379
                Slon379 23 December 2020 14: 59
                +3
                I would ask you, dear!
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 15: 23
                  -3
                  Quote: Slon379
                  I would ask you, dear!

                  I don't serve on Wednesdays.
          3. silberwolf88
            silberwolf88 23 December 2020 23: 50
            +3
            in vain you are so superficial about Lenin and Stalin ... people were powerful ... and capable of solving large-scale tasks of the world level ... those who replaced them turned out to be "pygmies of the spirit"
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 24 December 2020 09: 15
              0
              Quote: silberwolf88
              in vain you are so superficial about Lenin

              superficially is to write nonsense like
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Lenin became a lawyer just because of a heightened sense of justice

              And I did not offend your idols in any way, by the way. Admirers of Lenin-Stalin always throw themselves up when it seems to them that they are writing about their icons without due respect or without ecstatic aspiration. For you it is a totem, for me - historical figures on a par with Hitler, Paul Pot, Mao, Churchill and other titans who made the 20th century what it has become. Am I clear enough?
        2. Konstantin Shevchenko
          Konstantin Shevchenko 24 December 2020 10: 56
          0
          For example, he did not like the dominance of Jews in Vienna's theaters.
          We now know who is to blame, who didn’t let in the artist!
        3. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 24 December 2020 11: 20
          +1
          Quote: smith 55
          It would be better if he was admitted to the art academy.
          Perhaps everything would have developed differently.

          Of course not) How could Germany pull the industrial revolution and war at its own expense? To solve this problem, the USSR sold off wealth that had been accumulating for many hundreds of years. And Germany was robbed outright, and even vacuumed with inflation to the skin. The Germans did not have any pfenning for the advanced military industry, which they built from scratch in a matter of years.
          Who is this gentle philanthropist who is ready to invest trillions in the country at current prices, and then wash up, because Hitler has not appeared on the horizon?) Hehe ...
      2. anjey
        anjey 23 December 2020 13: 47
        +2
        And so it was, somewhere in someone's memoirs, Hitler admitted that the flywheel of History was promoted and even if he wanted, there is no turning back and it all depends not only on him ...
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 16: 45
          -7
          Quote: anjey
          in someone's memoirs, Hitler admitted that the flywheel of History was untwisted and even if he wanted, there is no turning back and it all depends not only on him ...

          it's literary from The Lautenzack Brothers.
          1. anjey
            anjey 23 December 2020 17: 03
            +3
            No, he shared with someone from the close and confidants, maybe with Ya. Shakht, for a long time read in publicistic literature, maybe at Lev Bezymensky, now I don't remember, if you want, of course, you can find the original source.
            1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 18: 22
              -8
              Table conversations?
              1. anjey
                anjey 23 December 2020 18: 31
                +10
                As you have already got the Rabinovichs, with their meticulous-idiotic-sick fact-lovingness and ostentatious online reporting laughing
                1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 18: 44
                  -6
                  You, friend, do not throw your anti-Semitic dung at me. Anyway, by. Go to the Jews Hami. As usual, they will politely lower you under the plinth.
                  1. anjey
                    anjey 23 December 2020 18: 47
                    +4
                    Oh, well, I can smell your spirit a mile away, it smelled from the kibbutz. I can't breathe laughing
                    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 21: 22
                      -3
                      Quote: anjey
                      Oh, well, I can smell your spirit a mile away, it smelled from the kibbutz. I can't breathe laughing

                      Oh yeah...
      3. anjey
        anjey 23 December 2020 13: 58
        +5
        To the West, Bolshevism was in the throat, and the enormous resources of the USSR caused profuse salivation among industrialists and not only Germans, many reactionary circles in the highest echelons of power, different countries of the world supported Hitler, Indeed, such a person was needed by the "powerful of this world" and he appeared, pulling all this terrible and criminal abomination of Nazi-fascism ...
        1. Plastmaster
          Plastmaster 23 December 2020 20: 17
          +4
          Quote: anjey
          Indeed, such a person was needed "

          By and large, he was a great man. For the whole world, a bastard, but for the Germans, at least, a light in the window. And they managed to make out something. Otherwise, they would not have gone so amicably to divide the land in the USSR. In Europe, no one would give allotments to simple sausages. And the fact that he attacked us, it is also hard to believe that he was spurred on like that. Apparently he believed in victory.
          1. anjey
            anjey 23 December 2020 20: 24
            +1
            He wanted to play on ideological contradictions and eventually enlist the support of England and, to some extent, the United States, in principle, he would have received it if he had defeated the Red Army and put the Japanese in the Pacific Ocean, redirecting them to the USSR, there would have been a new redistribution of the World, but this already alternative laughing
    2. apro
      apro 23 December 2020 05: 45
      -5
      Quote: horus88
      It was not necessary only to attack the USSR, but he lacked intelligence.

      The conditions were not set by him, but it is not possible for him to negotiate with the Angles ...
      1. horus88
        horus88 23 December 2020 05: 58
        +3
        In your opinion, he was not an independent figure? If he had sent all of Europe not to us, but to Britain, how long would they last before asking for peace on any terms?
        But this did not happen, because Hitler was divorced like a child and sent to the east. Where Germany and the USSR destroyed each other, while the Angles and Americans sat and looked at whom to put. And that means that he did not have enough sense to calculate everything.
        1. apro
          apro 23 December 2020 06: 09
          +1
          Quote: horus88
          In your opinion, he was not an independent figure?

          Yes.
          Quote: horus88
          If he had sent all of Europe not to us, but to Britain, how long would they last before asking for peace on any terms?

          I think within a year all military issues were resolved. Not even the capture of the island, but the destruction of the British presence in the Mediterranean. Put the Angles on the brink of defeat.
          Quote: horus88
          And that means that he did not have enough sense to calculate everything.

          He considered the Angles his own. The Communists were his enemies.
          1. horus88
            horus88 23 December 2020 06: 19
            +4
            And the Angles considered only themselves as their own, there are no friends, there are interests. In this he was outwitted. Two enemies of the Angles grappled with each other, and we also bought help from them for gold.
            Okay, a great discussion here this morning came out with you and Sylvester, but it's time to go to work. Good luck everyone
        2. Yura
          Yura 23 December 2020 15: 58
          +4
          Quote: horus88
          But this did not happen, because Hitler was divorced like a child and sent to the east.

          Of course he was pushed and provoked to march on the USSR, but not for this reason, he moved on to conquer the USSR. First, he needed resources, raw materials and slaves, a soldier was supplied to him on demand by all the European countries he had conquered, with this he would have dealt with the remnants of Europe in no time and he would have done it. Secondly, he knew that Europe and the United States hated and feared the USSR, as a result of which he hoped that Europe and the United States would not be in solidarity with the USSR and would wait until the end for the winner, who in any case would be left alone, that he would have it. Europe and the United States had no doubts, but only doubts, they had no confidence. He thought that the war with the USSR would be perceived by them as they perceived the conquest of Czechoslovakia, which he got away with, here he hoped for the same (Winners are not judged). Therefore, one should not think that Europe, which he turned on as he wanted, could influence his decision, which he made consciously and thoughtfully and independently. But he was mistaken, the blitzkrieg did not work out, the USSR turned out to be at all at odds with the European fight and is not going to surrender, that England and the USA will have an instinct for self-preservation stronger than their hatred of the USSR and they will sit down at the negotiating table, that its allies are Japan, Italy, Turkey and the same Spain will be, by and large, untenable in the war with the USSR. Ruined his self-confidence and miscalculation.
      2. anjey
        anjey 23 December 2020 14: 02
        +4
        At least he tried to set conditions both from a position of strength and proposals for the division of the World ...
    3. Moskovit
      Moskovit 23 December 2020 06: 50
      +15
      Nazism is an anti-human system. The clash between Nazism and Communism was inevitable. And 39 is a respite, not a compromise.
      1. anjey
        anjey 23 December 2020 14: 40
        +2
        What about fascism? In fact, in the same 1939, all Natsiks were not qualified encyclopedically accurately and biasedly, as it is now fashionable, but were called in one word - FASHIST. Type of fascism is a human system suitable for life? In principle, people live under any tyranny, even the most democratic, as in the United States. laughing
      2. anjey
        anjey 23 December 2020 14: 50
        +1
        In addition to ideology, there were economic, as they say now, geopolitical reasons for the attack on the USSR. Their echoes are still relevant today, the ideological reasons for the disagreements have long been eliminated, and the confrontation between the West and Russia is still growing ...
        1. Essex62
          Essex62 23 December 2020 18: 48
          +3
          Eliminated? You are wrong. The ideology of the predator, the West and the Russian people, who fell under the bargaining chip, of the comprador bourgeoisie, the power is different in every way. We and they are two poles of humanity. The contradiction is not solvable. Even in the disgusting times of tsarism, our peasant lived in a community, that is. commune.
          East, it is in itself and always in itself. Although it is the main production workshop (the model of the white race is used), it will forever remain in its perception of the world.
          1. anjey
            anjey 23 December 2020 18: 55
            0
            (Eliminated) I'm talking about the contradictions between communism and capitalism, read carefully laughing
            Quote: anjey
            and the confrontation between the West and Russia is still growing ...

            1. Essex62
              Essex62 24 December 2020 06: 31
              0
              You write that the ideological reasons have been removed. I consider ideology, them and us, somewhat broader than the confrontation between socialism and capitalism, a short segment in the life of our country. At the level of the people, we have always differed from the Westerners, having completed the bandyukovs' showdowns of the godfathers-princes and became an Empire.
              1. anjey
                anjey 24 December 2020 07: 18
                +2
                Our History is full of internecine strife, betrayal, sabotage, tyranny and repression in all ages, so we are not white and fluffy either, the ideology of communism gave us a lot of good things - man is a friend to man, comrade and brother, the internationalism inherent in it was not bad, only it was humiliated , perverted and eventually betrayed and sold with giblets, top functionaries and officials from the CPSU party, the fish is rotten from the top laughingIt's just that Russia is a superpower and a competitor to the West in many ways, and if she wants it she doesn't want to, she will have to maintain this status so that it doesn't fall apart and cease to exist at all.
                1. anjey
                  anjey 24 December 2020 07: 30
                  +2
                  And as a people, yes, we have our own mentality, whose history we can be proud of, our own trials that have fallen to our lot, which on such a scale did not even dream of the West.
                  1. Essex62
                    Essex62 24 December 2020 11: 07
                    +4
                    Exactly. The coup was from above, ordinary communists, understanding what was happening, trying to resist, did not listen and openly spread rot. I experienced it myself.
    4. qQQQ
      qQQQ 23 December 2020 11: 32
      +2
      Quote: horus88
      It was not necessary only to attack the USSR, but he lacked intelligence.

      Hitler was created to destroy the USSR. A country with the same ideology uniting the whole nation could defeat us, instead of the ideas of communism, the idea of ​​nationalism was generated. He was given the opportunity to unite under his leadership all the economic power of Europe, and then "Drag nach Osten". The war with us was inevitable.
    5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 12: 47
      -7
      Quote: horus88
      It was not necessary only to attack the USSR

      and that's it? If Adik had not attacked the USSR, would that be a darling?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 24 December 2020 20: 11
        +1
        Undoubtedly. And who cares about others if there is a cloudless sky above you? Business and nothing personal.
    6. Sergey79
      Sergey79 23 December 2020 20: 09
      +1
      Who needs it? I don’t understand what is going on with the site? Does anyone read what they post? This is no longer history .... They rewrite it so carefully in the USA. There is a whole management. It seems that they are telling everything correctly, but they add "poor boy", and as regards the destroyed MILLIONS of people, it "happened", in passing .... And this is all designed for the younger generation, who, having read the article in the net, believe it. SAD ... Moderators of the site, you should read articles .... That, first, nonsense about the "Ordung" of the Germans in the partisan war. Now let's go further? Hitler "poor boy"?
      1. bnm.99
        bnm.99 23 December 2020 21: 48
        +2
        Normal article from an adequate author. Few people would want to read Samson's opus on this topic, let alone comment.
  2. New Year day
    New Year day 23 December 2020 05: 22
    +6
    The conclusion of a slightly different plan: a child who grew up without a father and mother turned out to be capable of killing and, with certain organizational abilities and funding, can do business. How would his fate and the fate of millions have developed if he had grown up in a normal full-fledged family?
    1. horus88
      horus88 23 December 2020 05: 27
      +4
      Used to get a job, in a warm place where my father would have shoved. And so I would have lived my life.
      But this is not accurate :) It is as it is, unfortunately
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 23 December 2020 05: 30
        +3
        Quote: horus88
        Used to get a job, in a warm place where my father would have shoved. And so I would have lived my life.

        And probably there was no war
        1. horus88
          horus88 23 December 2020 05: 42
          +3
          I believe you are right. The first victories of the Reich were luck and were directed by the Fuhrer's waters, contrary to common sense. Without him, it would not have been possible to quickly destroy the whole of Europe.
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 23 December 2020 05: 45
            +6
            Quote: horus88
            The first victories of the Reich were luck and were directed by the Fuhrer's waters, contrary to common sense

            You cannot reset the game to giveaway. If they would make a lot at once, then I would moderate desires. Impunity, that's the trouble
          2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 12: 02
            +3
            Quote: horus88
            The first victories of the Reich were luck and were directed by the Fuhrer's waters, contrary to common sense.

            you could say that. Things would have gone differently if the French hadn't moved out during the Rhine Crisis in 1936. This was the first adventure of the Fuehrer, which, with the correct reaction of France, could become the last. But ... By the way, Lord Lothian joked about this in the spirit that the Germans, they say, just went into their garden.
            About "contrary to common sense" I do not agree. Adventure - yes, but not meaningless far.
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 11: 14
          +5
          Quote: Silvestr
          And probably there was no war

          Are you serious? laughing The war would have been in any case, regardless of personalities. What did Stalin say to Eden in March 1935? “Such a great people as the Germans had to break free from the chains of Versailles.” (C) Revanchism implies a forceful solution.
        3. anjey
          anjey 23 December 2020 16: 30
          +4
          The war does not depend on one person, even if he has unlimited power in his hands, this requires a whole complex of economic, political and ideological prerequisites and conditions, well, behind each Leader there are always in the shadows, interested groups of reapers of his victories or defeats, but in the latter In case, all the blame can be blamed on the Loser Leader laughing .
        4. Aviator_
          Aviator_ 23 December 2020 20: 14
          +4
          And probably there was no war

          Wouldn't care. But then the Fuhrer would have been different, not Aloizych.
    2. Crowe
      Crowe 23 December 2020 05: 37
      +27
      I do not know if this is a criterion .. "Angel of Death from Auschwitz" Joseph Mengele and Shiro Ishii from "Unit 731" were born and raised in complete and quite prosperous families. And about "if only":
      History does not tolerate the subjunctive mood.

      Karl Hampe
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 23 December 2020 05: 43
        +14
        Quote: Crowe
        "The Angel of Death from Auschwitz" Joseph Mengele and Shiro Ishii from "The Detachment

        I agree. So after all, the Ulyanovs grew up in a good family, and one son is a terrorist, the second is a revolutionary with all the consequences. Stalin grew up in an incomplete family, and the paths of Lenin and Stalin went together, albeit not for long. They had a common idea, the idea brings together and separates.
        1. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 23 December 2020 08: 03
          +10
          Quote: Silvestr
          The Ulyanovs grew up in a good family, and one son is a terrorist, the second is a revolutionary with all that it implies.

          ALL children are revolutionaries.
          Quote: Silvestr
          Stalin grew up in an incomplete family, and the paths of Lenin and Stalin went together

          And there were a great many such people from a wide variety of families at that time. It was such a time! good
        2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 12: 22
          -6
          Quote: Silvestr
          and one son is a terrorist, the other is a revolutionary with all that it implies.

          Yes, the result of the second, in fact, is the same - terror.
          1. Essex62
            Essex62 23 December 2020 18: 58
            +1
            When they break down the established system of human relations for thousands of years, creating the opposite, unique, in the disgusting, anti-human history of mankind, there is no other way. Gangrene only surgically.
    3. qQQQ
      qQQQ 23 December 2020 11: 37
      +12
      Quote: Silvestr
      How would his fate and the fate of millions have developed if he had grown up in a normal full-fledged family?

      In the USSR, there was a theory that time brings certain personalities to the fore, i.e. a specific person cannot influence the course of history. Humiliation of Germany by the Versailles Treaty, sooner or later, would still lead to power of someone like that.
  3. apro
    apro 23 December 2020 05: 43
    +1
    To talk about AGITLER. Just and at the same time not very much. As the leader of Germany, an outstanding leader. As a civilizational project, Nazism collapsed completely. Before 1941, all actions to restore Germany were carried out. And we were talking about domination over the entire European space and a little further. Which could not no one wanted to be crowned with success.
    1. bnm.99
      bnm.99 23 December 2020 21: 56
      +1
      I would still clarify: the crash suffered exactly German national socialism, since in the XNUMXst century there are a lot of fully capable nationalist regimes.
    2. Plastmaster
      Plastmaster 24 December 2020 09: 17
      +1
      Quote: apro
      To talk about AGITLER. Just and at the same time not very much. As the leader of Germany, an outstanding leader. As a civilizational project, Nazism collapsed completely. Before 1941, all actions to restore Germany were carried out. And we were talking about domination over the entire European space and a little further. Which could not no one wanted to be crowned with success.

      Well, after all, he lost, so he will rake forever. Would have won, then genetically modified blond children ran and glorified him and the system. Winners write history anyway. Just as Sorosyata are now writing about our system.
  4. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 23 December 2020 05: 51
    +11
    Thank you, Timur!
    Glad to read your materials on VO again!
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 14: 07
      +8
      Thank you, Timur! Glad to read your materials on VO again!

      Timur used to be published in full on "varhed". Unfortunately, that site is currently frozen. Although it was a kind of "humorous version of VO", I read it regularly. yes And so - I will support. drinks
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 23 December 2020 15: 27
        +4
        Actually, Sherzad has about forty publications on VO. The previous one was in the summer.
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 15: 32
          +4
          Actually, Sherzad has about forty publications on VO. The previous one was in the summer.

          Anton, I read many of them then, moreover, under one of them and got acquainted with our Krasnodar Albert (with your submission!), Which is unspeakably happy. drinks
          Timur's articles sometimes had an overly superficial, humorous style (probably, the influence of "varheda"), which in no way diminishes his services to our grateful audience. yes We are waiting for new articles! drinks
  5. Korsar4
    Korsar4 23 December 2020 06: 42
    +15
    Living language.
    But the phrase "Germany was defeated, but not on the battlefield" is rather dubious.
    1. Krasnodar
      Krasnodar 23 December 2020 10: 56
      +11
      Quote: Korsar4
      Living language.
      But the phrase "Germany was defeated, but not on the battlefield" is rather dubious.

      Quite right - when the government, before the peace talks, asked the army for two weeks to show off, the General Staff replied that they did not have these two weeks
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 23 December 2020 14: 14
        +5
        Any negotiations can be conducted either from a position of strength, or at least the threat of tangible resistance, and the possibility of causing significant damage to the enemy.

        Otherwise, surrender.

        Probably, he could talk a lot about the art of proposing a draw in chess.
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 23 December 2020 15: 16
          +5
          Quite right, that's why Germany signed the Versailles Peace Treaty, which became the cause of WWII.
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 23 December 2020 15: 22
            +6
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Quite right, that's why Germany signed the Versailles Peace Treaty, which became the cause of WWII.

            "This is not peace. This is a truce for 20 years." F. Foch. hi
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 15: 51
              +6
              "This is not peace. This is a truce for 20 years." F. Foch.

              Remember this series, Sergei? Classic. drinks
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 23 December 2020 15: 52
                +4
                Quote: Pane Kohanku
                Remember this series, Sergei? Classic.

                "Black viper" How, how, very much I love drinks
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 15: 57
                  +4
                  "Black viper" How, how, very much I love

                  We also have a favorite series with mine. And the attack scene seems to be considered one of the best in British cinema.

                  In general, horror, of course, what was going on there ... and after WWI, no one really wanted to fight ... Except the Germans!
                  1. Mihaylov
                    Mihaylov 23 December 2020 15: 59
                    +4
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    We also have a favorite series with mine.

                    For a long time I could not find it completely, there are 4 seasons, only some parts came across, but a couple of years ago I found and downloaded everything.
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 16: 07
                      +4
                      For a long time I could not find it completely, there are 4 seasons, only some parts came across, but a couple of years ago I found and downloaded everything.

                      There were also a few bonus episodes that were not included in the main series. For example, "Years of the Royalists" - a short series dedicated to the Civil War in England, where the glavger hands over with the giblets of King Charles I to the skinhead. In the role of the king - of course, Stephen Fry laughing these, bonus, series - yes, it is more difficult to find them for a ride, and I also uploaded the main line. drinks
                      1. Mihaylov
                        Mihaylov 23 December 2020 16: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        "The Royalist Years" - a short series dedicated to the Civil War in England

                        I didn't know about it, thanks, I'll see hi
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 23 December 2020 18: 30
                    +2
                    Quote: Pane Kohanku
                    Except for the Germans!

                    Oh, Pane, what about the Japanese? or only Europe "in the frame" ... Of course, naval agreements suggest certain thoughts about "peacefulness". And in fact "Versailles" did not suit anyone. Ferdinand Foch gave the correct definition - "truce"
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 18: 33
                      +3
                      Oh, Pane, what about the Japanese? or only Europe "in the frame" ...

                      Oh, Andrei Borisovich, I forgot about those deprived of colonies! drinks Alas for me, alas! Well, we won't mention the Poles and Finns (who were quite cocky at 20-30!). hi yes, you are right! By the way, EMNIP, Poland also demanded the rights to colonies for itself? Was there something like that?
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 23 December 2020 18: 56
                        +2
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Poland, too, demanded the rights to the colonies? Was there something like that?

                        Not in the know, you, sir, will have to take on the role of "educator" drinks laughing
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 25 December 2020 13: 51
                        +2
                        Not in the know, you, sir, will have to take on the role of "educator"

                        Andrey Borisovich, I’m a lousy educator, but let's try. Although Viktor Nikolaevich "Undecim" would have coped with this role much better - well, is it not just that they are giving out laurel wreaths to the best commentators? wink drinks
                        from wikipedia:
                        The Polish public organization Maritime and Colonial League was formed in 1930 on the basis of the Maritime and River League, and it was not just a change of name, but a change in course - the organization's program included items on the need to fight for the acquisition of colonies by Poland. The organization was led by General Mariusz Zaruski (Polish: Mariusz Zaruski).
                        <.............>
                        Demands about the need for Polish colonial expansion in Africa found support from the official Polish leadership (for example, it sought Madagascar from France and the transfer of Mozambique from Portugal). On January 12, 1937, speaking before the budgetary committee of the Sejm, Polish Foreign Minister Jozef Beck said that "the issues of emigration of the population and the receipt of raw materials are of great importance for Poland and that the old system of solving the so-called colonial issues can no longer be satisfied." On April 18, 1938, the “Day of the Colonies” was marked on a grand scale, which turned into a demonstration demanding overseas colonies for Poland. On behalf of the government, this campaign was led by General Sosnkovsky. Churches were dedicated to the demands of the colonies of the Mass, and films of colonial themes were shown in cinemas [1]. The colonial plans of the Polish government caused a mixed reaction in the society.

                        But this is just brilliance! That is to say, trash and sur ... negative
                        Nationalist organizations called for the resettlement of all Polish Jews to Madagascar.
                        A year and a half later, "those wishing to colonies" wasted the war with a bang, and "those who wanted to move the Jews" began to hand them over to the Nazis ...
                      3. Fat
                        Fat 25 December 2020 15: 00
                        +1
                        Here it is.
                        Accepted, thanks. drinks
      2. Korsar4
        Korsar4 23 December 2020 16: 03
        +3
        You can look for any analogies, for example, in September-October this year.
        1. Fat
          Fat 23 December 2020 18: 42
          +2
          ??? A couple of examples, I would be grateful hi
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 23 December 2020 18: 48
            +3
            Shusha and Stepanakert.
            1. Fat
              Fat 23 December 2020 19: 04
              +3
              That's how it is! Here you need to think, it is wonderful and gorgeous that you saw the connection, but this connection is not yet clear to me personally, and what lies on the surface raises doubts. request
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 23 December 2020 19: 49
                +3
                Of course, we see events not in direct, but in reflected light. There is not enough information. But, if divided into the economic component, human losses, the influence of the "great powers", one can try to assess the impact of various factors.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 23 December 2020 19: 58
                  +2
                  Cool, Sergey. The main thing that I understood is that people who are "high", prefer not to mention abstinence ... laughing Is not it so?
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 23 December 2020 20: 48
                    +3
                    I do not know. "High" - in this case, it is the effect of alcohol, drugs or something else?

                    And breaking any addiction is always painful.
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 23 December 2020 21: 36
                    +2
                    In the case of A.G., the break along the way is "not natural". With Goering - for sure, I want to smile, but the topic does not rule.
                  3. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 23 December 2020 21: 54
                    +2
                    The topic is not for smiles.

                    But finding a balance after the elections in Belarus is still a mystery to me.

                    In no case should you discount your visit to the Russian Federation.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 24 December 2020 09: 21
    +2
    Quote: Korsar4
    Living language.
    But the phrase "Germany was defeated, but not on the battlefield" is rather dubious.

    Sitting in a trench and looking at the Louvre through binoculars? I'm exaggerated. Will they tell me that I have lost? Well, I would not understand. And of course, when he came home, he said that it was a conspiracy. And there were almost all of them.
  • 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 23 December 2020 07: 16
    +13
    "Having seen enough of this circus, Hitler came to two conclusions. Firstly, parliamentarianism is a burdensome and harmful clownery that does not allow solving a single slightest issue. And secondly, even if he (so far) is in the minority , there are still ways to influence politics - all you need is arrogance and pressure. "- well, as it were, his conclusions were generally correct for their own purposes .. Parliament still remained with him, the Reichstag, only the sense from it is 0-one the NSDAP party and 3 are not decisive (also a version of the NSDAP), plus a little non-party .. everything is always "FOR" .. ie. type of democracy-present ..
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 December 2020 08: 41
      +8
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Firstly, parliamentarism is a burdensome and harmful clowning that does not allow solving a single slightest issue.

      This is not entirely wrong: without, for example, the decision of the Reichstag in 1914, PMA could not have taken place - it was he who decided the financing of military spending-credits.

      And the Reich Chancellor had to make difficult maneuvers to convince him of the need for this, presenting Russia as an aggressor.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 23 December 2020 09: 17
        +2
        And so it was, Andrey! But this just fits into his thought: "parliamentarism is a burdensome and harmful clownery, which does not allow solving a single slightest issue." those. in 1914 he had to make "difficult maneuvers" .. he can be seen, that's why he made the Reichstag decorative during his reign ..
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 23 December 2020 12: 21
      +3
      Since 1934, only the NSDAP was legally allowed to operate. Voters voted for a single all-German list of candidates. A law was passed on the unity of the party and the state.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 23 December 2020 12: 28
        +2
        I will add to you: there were independent candidates too, but who they were is clear .. and there were not many of them ..
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 23 December 2020 12: 37
          +2
          Some burgomasters, stadtholders, ambassadors and other diplomats, ministers were non-partisan until the end of the Nazi regime. But, naturally, they could not keep their positions if they did not support the course of the NSDAP.
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 23 December 2020 12: 39
          +1
          It would be more correct to call them not independent, but simply non-partisan.)
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 December 2020 08: 23
    +9
    The reason for this was a specific ending - Germany was defeated, but not on the battlefield, but at the negotiating table.
    nonsense: before the negotiations there was an unconditional defeat, which became both their reason and their basis
    Few people knew that the available resources would not have allowed them to hold out for even a year - then it was skillfully hidden.

    Yes, EVERYONE knew about it, especially after the wild hunger strike of 1916-17 ("turnip winter"), when 800 people died of hunger.

    Remarque has a scene where a platoon of ragged German soldiers - with paper bandages, hungry and practically unarmed, looked at the passing, well-equipped Americans - they could not resist this.

    The Germans came out of the First World War with a quality rare for the interwar period - the willingness to throw themselves into this fire again.

    There was no such readiness, except for a handful of marginals - at Remarque, again, this is well described in "Three Comrades", "Black Obelisk", etc.

    Willingness appeared later, when the disabled and crippled died out and young people grew up who did not know WHAT war was.
    they believed in the myth

    "Stab in the back"

    - that the war was lost not on the battlefield, but in treacherous offices


    And one more reason was called the future, the Nazis lost the war because of ... the Jews.

    The famous dialogue from the Black Obelisk:

    - Lost for the Jews !.
    - And because of the cyclists.
    -What have the cyclists got to do with it?
    -What have the Jews to do with it?
    1. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2020 09: 37
      +4
      In his Mein Kapf Hitler writes about these views of his straight-Bolsheviks and Jews betrayed the German army and slandered its leadership.
      They, according to Hitler's ideas, plunged Germany into the revolution at the moment when she allegedly had already won
    2. Kwas
      Kwas 23 December 2020 14: 06
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      Yes, EVERYONE knew about it, especially after the wild hunger strike of 1916-17 ("turnip winter"), when 800 people died of hunger.

      I think it is not worth extending the understanding of the subtle and intelligent observer Remarque to the entire population of Germany. Psychologically, it was much easier for this population to blame this famine and defeat on the Jews, who "dealt a treacherous blow to our heroic army." Moreover, everyone could see the Jewish speculators, as the same Remarque wrote.
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 23 December 2020 14: 28
        +3
        Quote: Kwas
        ... Moreover, everyone could see the Jewish speculators, as the same Remarque wrote.

        They could also see the first post-war president, Friedrich Ebert, a Jew. Other leaders of the SDP are Jews. The leaders of the German Communist Party are Jews. The leaders of the Russian Communist Party ...
        And Remarque, though subtle and intelligent, suffers from a childhood disease of leftism.
  • Avior
    Avior 23 December 2020 08: 37
    +7
    Hitler seems to have been a pretty good soldier.
    He was declared unfit for military service in Austria before the war, but he volunteered. On the third day of participation in hostilities, he received the rank of corporal, after a month of participation in hostilities, he was awarded the Iron Cross
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 23 December 2020 09: 20
      +5
      yes, I also read that as a soldier he was quite good and respected by his colleagues .. on the other hand, he is a stubborn nationalist (fanatic of his idea) .. the fanatics of recklessness - do not take .. Of course, among ordinary people, they stand out very much. ...
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2020 09: 33
        +7
        Probably, at the start of the war, he had no special ideas. They began to form based on its results.
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 23 December 2020 09: 40
          +1
          Of course, there were not yet those with which he came to power - they were just emerging ... but about the fact that he was already a nazi, and the article indicates ...
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2020 09: 54
            +9
            In my opinion, the article is just tense about the fact that he believed in his exclusivity from an early age. Nothing like this was observed in his life, a common biography before the war for many. Well, I wanted to study. So this is what many want.
            He studied, worked, did not go into politics.
            All his troubles with politics are already post-war.
            But after the war, they already appear. He is a veteran, this is a rather honorable status in Germany at that time, which for the first time distinguished him from the general mass
            He has nothing in the life of that time that you will not see in others
    2. Jünger
      Jünger 23 December 2020 09: 41
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Hitler seems to have been a pretty good soldier.

      How to drink. Unlike our "Generalissimo" he served honestly, did not hang around with enemies and did not betray his homeland. wink
      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 23 December 2020 12: 45
        0
        What's with polymers and pensions?
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 23 December 2020 21: 15
        +1
        Colleague Jünger alludes to: Stalin and the party of the then RCP (b)
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 24 December 2020 09: 20
          +1
          You are so quick-witted that you are amazed smile
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 24 December 2020 17: 28
            +1
            I went to school and remember history well
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 23 December 2020 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: Avior
      Hitler seems to have been a pretty good soldier.

      How to say...

      A good soldier, who knows the inferno of the front line firsthand, will never send his kamaradov AGAIN.
      1. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2020 10: 37
        +6
        so all the wars on Earth would have ended long ago.
        The problem is that people who start wars usually find noble decent excuses for themselves why they are forced to do it.: (((
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 December 2020 11: 10
          +2
          Quote: Avior
          so all wars on Earth would have ended long ago

          No: only in Germany a comfrey soldier headed the state.

          And, knowing the terrible truth of the war, he unleashed it again.
          This is NOT a human being.
          Quote: Avior
          The problem is that people who start wars tend to find noble decent excuses for themselves why they have to do it.

          But they never sat in a trench.

          And people who have served there will find other ways. It doesn't concern nonhumans
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2020 11: 21
            +5
            Many fought at the risk of their lives at that time, in the first half of the 20th century. Brezhnev, Churchill, Kennedy and many others.
            This did not stop the war.
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 23 December 2020 21: 09
              +1
              A colleague of Avior, I know the biography of L. I, Brezhnev, slightly Kennedy, they really were in the war, but Churchill did not participate in WWI.
              Actually, I don't know his biography
              1. Marine engineer
                Marine engineer 23 December 2020 21: 47
                +2
                "Churchill did not participate in WWI."

                Anglo-Boer War.
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 December 2020 11: 15
        +10
        This is not true. Napoleon was many times on the front line, distinguished
        great personal courage.
        But at the same time, he openly considered his soldiers "cannon fodder."
        And he spoke about the losses of his soldiers cynically and indifferently.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 December 2020 11: 29
          +4
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Napoleon was many times on the front line, distinguished
          great personal courage

          Many were on the front lines on arrival.

          NOBODY spent time in trenches - in blood, severed limbs, in lice, mud, cold and heat, in scabs and scabs - under chlorine and shells - day after day, month after month ...

          Remember the hero Remarque, a soldier from the front line, who a few years after the war was given a tour of the hospital - with the disabled, the blind, the mad: there, as before, "shells exploded, writhed from gases and went on the attack" - there the WAR still raged ... He was smitten.

          And what normal soldier wants to do this again?
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2020 11: 40
            +3
            Do you think that the Soviet Committee of War Veterans consisted entirely of pacifists?
            Condemned, for example, the entry of troops into Czechoslovakia, participation in the war in Korea, or the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan?
            And what normal soldier wants to do this again?

            and nobody wants that. And the wars, as they were, are so ...: ((
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 December 2020 12: 15
              +2
              Quote: Avior
              Condemned, for example, the entry of troops into Czechoslovakia, participation in the war in Korea, or the entry of Soviet troops into Afghanistan?

              how is it like WORLD carnage?

              And skirmishes, conflicts, local clashes will always be
              Quote: Avior
              and this none does not want to. And the wars, as they were, are ...:

              But who knows what it is in reality?

              And Hitler knew ...
              1. Avior
                Avior 23 December 2020 12: 19
                0
                Hitler also did not start fighting with the whole world.
                The plug turned out to be in Poland, one after the other was involved.
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 23 December 2020 14: 55
            +1
            Olgovich, Remarque himself was a member of WWI and in his novels he reflected the mood of the soldiers of that time
      3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 23 December 2020 12: 42
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        A good soldier who knows the inferno of the front line firsthand will never send his kamarads there AGAIN.

        Why this cheap pathos, Olgovich? "Willingness to send kamarads" is the leader's privilege delegated to him by these very "kamarads". It doesn't matter if it's red or brown. And yes - nothing fairer and more congenial for Germany than the "25 points" of the NSDAP was not proposed by anyone from the then political community. Yes, populism is pure water, but very attractive - healthy social and national ideas, the self-consciousness of a humiliated nation rises from the mud. Everything is sustained in an imperative tone - "we demand!", Not "we ask." The Germans did not have a guilt complex after WWI, the nation was ready to rise. Germany was imprisoned for revenge.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 December 2020 14: 33
          +2
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Why this cheap pathos, Olgovich?

          It's a cheap question, Epitaph.

          This is how it is in life.
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          The Germans did not have a guilt complex after WWI, the nation was ready to rise. Germany was imprisoned for revenge.

          It's about Hitler, the front-line soldier, who perfectly understood WHAT this would lead to.

          But he called. And the imprisoned where they lead, they will go there, at least in the opposite direction.
      4. Kwas
        Kwas 23 December 2020 14: 12
        +2
        Quote: Olgovich
        A good soldier who knows the inferno of the front line firsthand will never send his kamarads there AGAIN.

        A good soldier understands that sometimes he has to fight in this world, otherwise he will be eaten. As long as there is capitalism in the world.
  • Jünger
    Jünger 23 December 2020 08: 37
    +6
    Decent article. Without unnecessary convulsions. Thanks to the author.
  • awdrgy
    awdrgy 23 December 2020 10: 05
    +3
    I am a supporter of the conspiracy theory that he was a henchman of certain forces that pursued certain goals and achieved them. Used by them first into the dark. add fuel to the fire at the right moments Did he understand it himself Of course at some point he understood Perhaps he even managed to decide and died somewhere in Argentina Who knows? By the way, Stalin did not really believe that he could have been poisoned (after all, there really are certain questions about the remains)
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  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 23 December 2020 11: 02
    +3
    Hitler's misunderstandings. Talk, speculation, versions ...

    Allegedly was a Jew - a dark story, a lot of different things. Uncle - a Romanian Jew, left an inheritance and demanded to take his last name. Option - my mother worked in a Jewish family as a servant and there the famous son took root.

    Why did the Nazis need the total genocide of the Jews at all - in fact, only disadvantages. Even the confiscation of Jewish property brought such international sanctions that there was no point in starting ... I read a lot of literature on this topic - no one really knows anything, they write nonsense ...

    1. awdrgy
      awdrgy 23 December 2020 11: 47
      +3
      Yes, this is a mystery, especially since the gypsies became the first victims of mass genocide.And there are also conspiracy theories on this topic (although it is possible to consider statements as such, for example, a big question) In any case, without a sufficient evidence base, nothing can be asserted and therefore everything remains at the speculation and conspiracy
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 23 December 2020 12: 26
        +1
        No, the gypsies were not the first victims. There was a specific attitude towards them - as to the degraded Aryans, leading an asocial lifestyle. Some prominent Nazis had sympathy for the Gypsies and believed that the part of them that was "amenable to correction" should be preserved.
      2. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2020 12: 32
        +4
        Yes, this is a mystery, especially since the first victims of the mass genocide were the gypsies

        as well as the Germans themselves, who interfered with the purity of the race.
        Mass euthanasia program T4.
        1. awdrgy
          awdrgy 23 December 2020 13: 28
          0
          Yes, I really read about this, but I won't name the source right away
      3. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 23 December 2020 18: 30
        +3
        The first in concentration camps that appeared quickly - already in 1933,
        it was not Jews who were caught, but communists, simple-minded people, gays and Catholic priests.
    2. Avior
      Avior 23 December 2020 11: 57
      +3
      Why did the Nazis need a total genocide of the Jews at all - in fact, some minuses.

      the Nazis had specific, to put it mildly, ideas about the survival of peoples in the course of history - social Darwinism.
      Such a primitive tracing of Darwin's views on the survival of species in nature in projection on the survival of peoples in the world. Now banned as an element of Nazi ideology.
      So, they believed that the Jews were threatening the survival of the Germans as a people. Nothing personal, so to speak, but we have to fight the Jews so that the Germans can survive. And they perfectly understood that many would not approve of them, even in Germany, so the extermination of the Jews was not advertised even in Germany itself, although, of course, many understood what was happening.
      At the first stage, it was generally a question of evicting Jews from Germany, this at the second stage came to destruction.: (((...
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 23 December 2020 12: 26
        +2
        Quote: Avior
        the Nazis had specific, to put it mildly, ideas about the survival of peoples in the course of history - social Darwinism.

        And what is there specific? Whichever population is stronger, it will survive. In order for it to be strong, it is necessary that its members cling tightly to one another and not breed sentimentality relative to members of other populations.
        This is the key to the success and prosperity of peoples and states.
        As soon as curtsies and advances to strangers begin - write it up.
        This was well expressed by the ancient Romans - "The state can prosper only if in the process of its existence it is based on the same principles as at the moment of its foundation." Something like that.
        1. Avior
          Avior 23 December 2020 12: 56
          +1
          As soon as curtsies and advances to strangers begin - write it up.

          Jews have lived in Germany since the time of the Roman Empire, 1700 years, so they are not strangers there.
          "The state can prosper only if in the process of its existence it is based on the same principles as at the moment of its foundation"

          Before the creation of the Third Reich, such principles were not practiced in Germany from the moment of foundation, although it happened in different ways, of course. But this happened in any country between the nations inhabiting it.
          I think the problem is much more complicated.
          hi
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 23 December 2020 18: 53
          +1
          "For it to be strong, it is necessary that its members cling tightly to one another and not make sentiments about members of other populations." ///
          ----
          This is Nazism. You have expressed your views.
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 23 December 2020 19: 29
            +1
            Wildlife functions according to these views. The wolf pack does not accept bulldogs into its composition, but eats them on occasion.
            And if you do not believe in God, then you just have to follow the laws of nature. Unless, of course, your population is important to you.
          2. Plastmaster
            Plastmaster 24 December 2020 10: 29
            0
            Quote: voyaka uh
            "For it to be strong, it is necessary that its members cling tightly to one another and not make sentiments about members of other populations." ///
            ----
            This is Nazism. You have expressed your views.

            So this is a normal view, a normal family, people, state. All three of these cells of society must be strong. This is life, a spy.
            1. voyaka uh
              voyaka uh 24 December 2020 11: 00
              0
              So Hitler explained to the German people. In the same words.
              This is the essence of Nazism.
              1. Plastmaster
                Plastmaster 24 December 2020 11: 41
                0
                Quote: voyaka uh
                So Hitler explained to the German people. In the same words.
                This is the essence of Nazism.

                Then all the Nazis. Who wants not to be eaten. Well, not counting the same USSR middle period. Then there was education, to give something to others. And it worked for a certain period.
                1. Jünger
                  Jünger 24 December 2020 11: 56
                  +1
                  Voyaka uh is a Jew, but for these comrades all Nazis who love their people.
                  Of course, except for the Jews. When they chop the Arabs, this is a necessary and righteous deed.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 24 December 2020 12: 24
                    +1
                    Israel is a multinational country.
                    In addition to Jews live in it Arabs, Bedouins, Druze, Russians,
                    Ukrainians, Circassians, Tatars.
                    You must love your people, but not reject and humiliate other peoples.
                    Which leads to Nazism and the collapse of their people.
                    1. Jünger
                      Jünger 24 December 2020 12: 29
                      +3
                      So also lived in the German Reich - Czechs, Poles, Germans, Lusatian Slavs, French, etc., etc.
                      What is this if not a clear example of the friendship of peoples? lol The main thing is that each house has its own owner with its own rules, to which everyone would obey. And when the owner begins to cave in under the guests, and they become the owners - this is where the whole establishment is covered.
                      1. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 24 December 2020 12: 53
                        0
                        "The main thing is that each house has its own owner with its own rules,
                        to which everyone would obey "////
                        ----
                        This is Nazism.
                        In a normal house there are no owners or subordinates. there is
                        equal. Colleagues.
                      2. Jünger
                        Jünger 24 December 2020 12: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        In a normal house there are no owners or subordinates. there is
                        equal. Colleagues.

                        Those. will you let your acquaintance live and he will immediately become your equal? You will write off the share in the apartment and it will be on your wife and mat. resources will have the right?
                        Or friendship is friendship, but know your place?
                      3. voyaka uh
                        voyaka uh 24 December 2020 13: 06
                        -1
                        Discussions with radicals, such as Nazis, communists, Islamists, etc.
                        unproductive.
                        For sim, let's say goodbye hi
                      4. Jünger
                        Jünger 24 December 2020 13: 27
                        +2
                        So you lost your battle to criticism))
                      5. Plastmaster
                        Plastmaster 24 December 2020 18: 56
                        0
                        Quote: voyaka uh
                        Discussions with radicals, such as Nazis, communists, Islamists, etc.
                        unproductive.
                        For sim, let's say goodbye hi

                        Well, Jünger, he wrote everything correctly. And without innuendo. The Jews will never let the strong come near. They are still the dominant nation. To bend the whole world and without much bloodshed, one must be able to. And the fact that in Israel blacks are Jews, well, this is the choice of the state and its policies. But at the same time, those who are not understood are fleeing to Europe, not to Israel. Again, understandable. Because Israel is strong and can afford to resist an invasion. So the Nazis too. And yes, in this form, the Nazis. I do not like Jews, but I agree that they are strong, which means ...
                    2. andrew42
                      andrew42 28 December 2020 15: 04
                      0
                      Well put the one who is "for equality", but on condition of "sacred supremacy" in arbitration in all apartments of "colleagues". Such a "highly democratic" Great Israel was built long ago, with its capital from New York to Washington. However, the "fighters against the Arabs" stubbornly pretend that they do not know this / the poor fellows have nothing from this.
                  2. Ugochaves
                    Ugochaves 26 December 2020 12: 34
                    0
                    Look where this "equality" leads Europe .... "refugees" do not want to be equal at all
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 23 December 2020 12: 57
    +1
    Quote: Timofey Charuta
    Allegedly was a Jew - a dark story, a lot of different things.

    He was not a Jew, but Red Army soldier, was a member of the Battalion Council of the Bavarian Socialist Republic.
  • Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 23 December 2020 13: 47
    +3
    Good gentlemen, I reread the comments on the Jewish question and to my post.

    I personally did not understand why some quiet Jewish lady tailor from Warsaw or a dental technician from Minsk got up to the Fuehrer across the tomatoes. For what and most importantly - why !?

    Not forgiven, but at least you can understand the logic if the Jewish elite, journalists, politicians, etc. were destroyed. And the international resonance from this was generally awesome!

    Real politicians always cover up their true intentions and practical goals with loud, loud slogans understandable to the people. What did the Germans gain from the practice of the universal extermination of Jews and others? In WWI they were not touched and the entire military and political elite of Germany survived, got off with a slight fright.

    1. andrew42
      andrew42 28 December 2020 15: 22
      0
      I also thought about it often. What for? The conclusion is drawn if, in addition to the banal war / seizure of resources / clearing the territory, we recall the parallel war of cultures, worldviews and value systems. The Nazis based their symbolism on the ancient Vedic symbols of the Race (tried to take the most negative ones), took the pseudo-"Aryan" doctrine as a basis, unleashing a war of destruction against the largest ethnic group of the Aryans. As a result, after the defeat, the entire ancient cultural layer of the Eurasian civilization (and the European one as a part of it) was defamed and trampled into the mud for many years. If earlier in the 30s the same Provisional Government of Russia, and sometimes the RSFSR, did not shy away from images of swastika symbols, then after Hitler it became a priori crime. Hitler successfully solved the task set to him - he deprived the Race of its deep cultural heritage. This is the victory of Hitler and his employers, who gave tens of millions of Europe's Jews to the beast as a sacred mega-victim. The main thing here was the Slavs and everyone to the east - to write down as subhumans. To destroy the cradle, figuratively speaking, and let the relics remain with the Buddhists and the Hindus - this reserve of world masters does not bother much ..
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 23 December 2020 11: 13
    +1
    1 ... even if he is (so far) in the minority, there are still ways to influence politics - all that is needed is arrogance and pressure. And a democracy vulnerable to such things is perfect for that.2 He understood that a truly strong movement must be massive - not in the sense of a “majority,” but in the sense of being able to mobilize a large number of determined supporters into the streets. Now it is clear where the theories of "color revolutions" come from, especially in Ukraine.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 11: 35
    +9
    Read the first forty-five comments.
    It's strange. There is not a single question from the series "why this article came out today".
    I am filling this gap. Author, why was this article published today? Is it somehow connected with Putin's press conference or with the events in Ukraine? Did you just come out like that? I do not believe! It seems that the author, speaking in such a tone about Hitler, prepares public opinion for the presidential elections! wassat laughing
    But seriously, I would like to note three dominant aspects of Hitler's personality.
    First, the hero of the article was, of course, a creative, impulsive and temperamental person, therefore he experienced the events of his life more acutely, they left deeper traces in him.
    The second thing I would like to draw your attention to is his deep, literally irrational belief in his own exclusivity. In the future, this belief will become the dominant feature of his personality. Apparently, the boy Adolf had very loving, but not very smart parents.
    The third is Hitler's nationalism. It's just a pity, it's not very clear from the article where this "trick" appeared in the young man. For example, his love for Wagner's work could affect the formation of Hitler's anti-Semitism, if he was a fan of his work, then he was probably interested (as do modern fans), his life outside of music, and accordingly could read and be impressed, for example, by an article " Jewry in Music ", which is recognized as extremist in Russia. Did Hitler enter any circles of the type of Anton Langgassner's and why did not the motives of Pan-Germanism be reflected in his artistic work at that time? After all, this was the simplest and most accessible way of self-realization for him at that time. Or did he pick up a nationalist infection at the front? This would be strange, because it was the front that was then a hotbed of leftist ideas with internationalism and class struggle.
    In short, it seems to me that in the development of the ideas of German nationalism Hitler should have had some kind of "teacher". I would like to know the name of the "hero".
    It is from these three main terms that a historical character has formed, which is cursed (mostly) or idolized (there must be a swear word, even two) all over the world for three quarters of a century.
    In short, thanks to the author, it was interesting. smile
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 December 2020 12: 09
      +10
      To understand where Hitler picked up the nationalist infection, you need to do exactly one thing - read Mein Kampf

      Everything is extremely transparent there. Hitler was already an ardent nationalist and pan-Germanist when he went to enroll in the German army.
      What made him so? answers in the same place.
      1. Household "kitchen" anti-Semitism.
      2 National policy of the patchwork Habsburg monarchy. The Germans believed that she was too indulgent to other peoples, forgetting about her German roots. Of course, the Slavs in the empire had exactly the opposite point of view.
      3. The colossal leap of Germany in all respects has made it the strongest power in Europe. Hitler looked at her with admiration, in contrast to the "decadent" and rotten Austria. Germany became a spiritual Fatherland for him.

      At the front and in the post-war period, these views only grew stronger.

      But how a rebel and an artist and a completely creative person was imbued with the spirit of iron German discipline and the suppression of individuality, this I cannot understand
      1. Jünger
        Jünger 23 December 2020 12: 18
        +2
        Quote: Engineer
        To understand where Hitler picked up the nationalist infection, you need to do exactly one thing - read Mein Kampf

        Here are the clever words. The comrade there described everything very clearly and there is no need to breed - "why and why."
        Quote: Engineer
        But as a rebel and an artist and a completely creative person, he was imbued with the spirit of iron German discipline and suppression of individuality

        And he was inspired? How was this expressed?
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 23 December 2020 13: 12
          +4
          I got the impression that I was inspired. The most severe discipline and drill of the Kaiser's army did not cause rejection in him, as if even a certain enthusiasm was a furnace through which one had to go through to temper. That was the impression I got. And then it became a part of him. Germany, kaiser, duty, oath. Therefore, he was so shocked by 1918. Mental trauma can be traced quite clearly.
          Simply creative people usually if they fight, then somewhat detached. observing myself from the sidelines and feeling like artists. ... Hitler plunged headlong and emerged as a soldier in spirit, not an artist
      2. Avior
        Avior 23 December 2020 12: 37
        +2
        1. Household "kitchen" anti-Semitism.

        excuse me, but where did you see about this in my kapf?
        on the contrary, Hitler writes that until adulthood he did not even think about the problem of Jews, and in general did not distinguish them from other people.
        And only on arrival in Vienna this question arose.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 23 December 2020 12: 53
          +4
          Wasn't there something like "didn't want to serve in the army (Austrian) with Czechs and Jews?"
          And only on arrival in Vienna he had this question

          Hitler came to Vienna in 1908, long before the war
          This does not contradict my thesis that I went to the front already being an anti-Semite.
          1. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2020 12: 58
            +2
            yes, but everyday anti-Semitism has nothing to do with it.
            it cannot be said that Hitler, by the time he appeared at the front, became finally an anti-Semite, but at the end, for sure. He considered the revolutionaries, who allegedly snatched victory from Germany, and the Jews as practically identical concepts, then, by the way, this was a fairly widespread view on the revolution in Russia.
            By the way, when he learned about the existence of the alliance of front-line soldiers-Jews, he was unpleasantly amazed that it undermined his idea of ​​the guilt of the Jews in the loss of Germany.
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 23 December 2020 13: 03
              +2
              It seemed to me that this was just everyday anti-Semitism.
              I don’t want to be around, I can’t eat.
              But before thinking about the final solution of the issue is still far away
              1. Avior
                Avior 23 December 2020 13: 30
                +3
                Judging by Mein Kapf, as far as I remember, not at all
                He developed anti-Semitism as a reaction to the socialists in Vienna, whom he linked to the Jews. There was something about the editorial offices.
                There is no time to rummage now, where it was downloaded.
                The fact that he emphasized that before moving to Vienna, he did not distinguish Jews at all, I remember that exactly.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 23 December 2020 13: 32
                  +2
                  I understand correctly that you are not arguing that Hitler went to the front as an anti-Semite?
                  Is the whole discass his anti-Semitism of the pre-war period domestic or already ideological?
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 23 December 2020 13: 47
                    +3
                    Let's just say with the beginnings of anti-Semitism for sure. To write more substantively, you need to refresh the text, but I don't have it at hand now. Maybe later.
                    The fact that it is not a household character is for sure.
                    1. Engineer
                      Engineer 23 December 2020 13: 52
                      +1
                      I would say both everyday and ideological, but with a quick search for such specific literature, there really is a problem)
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 24 December 2020 00: 13
                        +2
                        Found.
                        I am citing excerpts, of course not for propaganda purposes, but simply as an illustration of Hitler's views during the writing of Mein Kapf and his transformation into an anti-Semite according to his own version. The narration there is in the first person, quotes from part one, chapter two.
                        Now it is difficult, if not impossible, for me to say exactly when exactly I am in
                        for the first time in my life I heard the word "Jew". I am absolutely not
                        I will remember that in my parents' house, at least during my father's life,
                        I've heard that word at least once. My old man, I think in the very underline
                        the word "Jew" would see a sign of cultural backwardness. Throughout
                        in his adult life, his father, in general, assimilated his views as
                        called the advanced bourgeoisie. And although he was firm and adamant in
                        his national feelings, he still remained true to his
                        "advanced" views and even at the beginning conveyed them to me in part.
                        At school, too, at first I did not find a reason to change these
                        the views I inherited.
                        True, in a real school I had to meet one
                        Jewish boy, to whom we all belonged with the famous
                        caution, but only because he was too silent, and we,
                        taught by bitter experience, they did not really trust such boys. However i
                        like everyone else, I have not yet made any generalizations .... The Jewish question in those days seemed to me nothing more than a question
                        religion.
                        There were very few Jews in Linz. The appearance of the Jews living there in
                        over the centuries completely Europeanized, and they began to look like
                        of people; I even considered them Germans. The absurdity of such a presentation to me
                        was completely unclear precisely because the only sign of me
                        considered the difference in religion. I thought then that Jews were persecuted
                        precisely because of religion, it not only repelled me from those who are bad
                        treated Jews, but sometimes even inspired me with almost disgust for
                        such reviews ...
                        ....

                        Then Hitler moved to Vienna and for the first time, according to his statement, faced for himself with the Jewish question and anti-Semitism in general
                        It was in this frame of mind that I arrived in Vienna. ...I
                        looked around and came across the Jewish question as well.
                        .... I still continued to see in the Jew only
                        bearer of a certain religion and based on tolerance and humanity
                        continued negatively to any religious persecution. Tone,
                        in which the Viennese anti-Semitic press denounced Jews seemed to me
                        unworthy of the cultural traditions of a great people ... in the struggle of this press against
                        Jews, I was then inclined to see the product of bitter hatred, and
                        is not at all the result of fundamental, although perhaps incorrect
                        views.
                        .....

                        But then his views begin to change. The key sources of his anti-Semitism, in his own words, he still has no everyday plan, although he no longer likes the appearance of the Jews,
                        Now I began to see thousands of things that I had not noticed at all before.
                        Now I have learned to understand what I had hardly thought about before.
                        ..... Noble tone in objections
                        opponents or lack of response to the attacks of the latter - all this
                        turned out to be nothing more than a low and cunning maneuver. Approving
                        theater reviews have always referred only to Jewish authors.
                        Harsh criticism never fell upon anyone other than
                        Germans.

                        and so on.
                        That is, according to Hitler's own statements, the key moment of his transition from neutrality to anti-Semitism is his personal reflections of the Vienna period. By the end of this period, he already defines himself as an anti-Semite. Moreover, nowhere are any personal contacts with Jews mentioned and there is no information that someone influenced him in this matter.
                        I also heard many times about the everyday nature of the origins of Hitler's anti-Semitism, but from his own statements, as you can see, everything looks different.
                        However, these are only his statements ...
                        hi
                      2. Engineer
                        Engineer 24 December 2020 12: 00
                        0
                        Nice post
                        But I perceive the last words as everyday life. The mention of positive theatrical criticism of Jews and criticism of the Germans, well, is very reminiscent of modern claims why Posner is on TV, and not Prokhanov.
                        Undoubtedly, everyone sees their own.
                        I did not mention the ideological component from the very beginning, but in no case do I deny it.
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 24 December 2020 12: 33
                        +2
                        Perhaps we understand everyday life differently. He has there about the everyday part of the claims, but he himself puts the moral side at the head.
                        Hitler further linked Jews to Social Democrats
                        When I saw that Jews are also the leaders of the Social Democracy,
                        my veil fell. Then came the end of the long inner streak
                        struggle.

                        In Vienna, Hitler spent five years and it was during this time that he, according to his text, completely turned into an anti-Semite, although before that, according to his own statement, he had no anti-Semitic inclinations.
                        It is hard to imagine that he got them by actually reading the newspapers.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 12: 49
    +6
    Quote: Engineer
    exactly one thing to do - read Mein Kampf

    I read it, though a long time ago, almost a quarter of a century ago. I made a conclusion about the author's tendentiousness, blinkeredness, exaltation and his one-sided approach to topics for reflection, then I did not go into more subtle matters.
    Hitler was not a scientist, let's say, he did not have a scientific mindset to collect, systematize and generalize any information, he comprehended the world intuitively, all his constructions were based on his personal conviction, if you like, faith, something from the field of mysticism, but not cold logic and common sense. In short, a pure practitioner, but not a theoretician.
    In my opinion, he could hardly independently form the ideology of National Socialism, he could only be its mouthpiece.
    And I wonder who exactly did this work for him, who provided the theoretical basis for his intuitive insights, who made a selection of historical facts, on which Hitler relied and argued for his constructions. There had to be someone who cemented this platform for him, which Hitler himself had already creatively decorated and draped beautifully before being shown to the people.
    I did not find it offhand. I'm waiting, maybe someone from my colleagues who is "in the subject" will name the "hero" ...
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 December 2020 13: 05
      +3
      You ask where nationalism comes from in Hitler
      I answer.
      If the question is how and when National Socialism took shape in his mind in a clear ideology and under whose influence.
      Then there is no clear date or the name of a specific mastermind. Everything progressively from simple to complex
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 13: 53
        +4
        Quote: Engineer
        You ask where nationalism comes from in Hitler

        Not that.
        Recently, I have been having some problems with expressing my own thoughts, apparently. Whoever wants me so understands.
        I wonder where the ideas of German nationalism came from in Hitler - they could literally come out of thin air, ideas - they are, and who systematized these ideas for him, summed them up a theoretical basis, strengthened them with historical examples. I absolutely do not believe that the self-taught artist Adolf was able to do it on his own. Develop creatively by adapting to a specific situation - yes, as much as you like, to lay a universal theoretical basis - no and don't ask.
        Hitler, oddly enough, went with the flow all his life. His skill as a politician did not lie in the ability to direct the crowd, but in the ability to be at the forefront of it all the time, to meet its expectations. All his decisions are not the fruits of a balanced analysis, but a consequence of submission to objective, already ongoing processes, which Hitler himself practically did not control. Brilliant tactician.
        But his ideas (whether his, that's the question), or better to say, the ideas he voiced, are circulating now, and they are applied to a wide variety of situations and peoples. How where will it become worse, more difficult, the current government will weaken or some other misfortune will happen, the flesh before the banana harvest in conditional Guadeloupe - there this fad immediately arises and sprouts and Hitler is remembered. The universalism is amazing.
        It seems to me, or rather, I believe that behind the formation of this universal idea must be a mind different from Hitler's.
        1. Engineer
          Engineer 23 December 2020 14: 19
          +4
          I'm wondering where the ideas of German nationalism came from in Hitler - they could literally come out of thin air, ideas

          Mikhail, all large countries at the beginning of the 20th century already had a certain nationalistic concept that was somehow implemented or at least encouraged at the state level, albeit with different effectiveness. , And Russia and Germany, and France, etc.
          They are already systematized. And summed up the most powerful base
          See
          Racial theory of Gobino-ser 19 century
          Lebensraum in the east late 19th century
          Pan-Germanism of Lagarde and others - the second half of the 19th century.
          All these ideas have a huge impact on society and its key cultural figures - Wagner, Nietzsche, etc.
          As they say, take it and use it.
          1. Mihaylov
            Mihaylov 23 December 2020 14: 37
            +1
            Quote: Engineer
            Racial theory of Gobino-ser 19 century
            Lebensraum in the east late 19th century
            Pan-Germanism of Lagarde and others - the second half of the 19th century.

            Good afternoon,
            Chamberlain must also be added here.
            In England, these ideas were very popular in the 19th century.
            1. Engineer
              Engineer 23 December 2020 14: 42
              +2
              good afternoon

              I deliberately limited the list to German cuisine. Because it was German nationalism that was supposed to be the main factor influencing the formation of Hitler. Gobino is somewhat aloof, but he also declared the superiority of the Germans.

              I do not consider Chamberlain to be the ideologue of British nationalism. There seemed to be other shepherds.
              1. Mihaylov
                Mihaylov 23 December 2020 14: 46
                +2
                Quote: Engineer
                I deliberately limited the list to German cuisine.

                Sorry, I didn't understand, I saw the Frenchman Gobineau and thought that we were talking about everyone.
                Quote: Engineer
                I do not consider Chamberlain to be the ideologue of British nationalism. There seemed to be other shepherds.

                Yes, of course, just the first who came to mind, but in general there was a very large "school" on this case.
                1. Engineer
                  Engineer 23 December 2020 14: 53
                  +1
                  It's okay.
                  The British at the beginning of the 20th century are perhaps the most nationalistic nation. But nationalism there is not loud, but some kind of self-evident. Yes, we are the best, but how else?
                  1. Mihaylov
                    Mihaylov 23 December 2020 14: 59
                    +1
                    Quote: Engineer
                    The British at the beginning of the 20th century are perhaps the most nationalistic nation. But nationalism there is not loud, but some kind of self-evident.

                    Ideologists of German Nazism borrowed many ideas from the "English school"
          2. Avior
            Avior 23 December 2020 14: 54
            +3
            That is how
            In the second half of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, there were all kinds of theories for every taste. The question of chance, internal preferences and other characteristics was which one the individual would choose.
          3. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 15: 43
            +2
            Okay, probably due to professional deformation.
            Sometimes you feel that someone's will and intelligence are behind some event, but the person itself remains unidentified, is not directly exposed in the case and is not listed among the main characters, but most likely is somewhere on the periphery.
            In this case, after collecting and analyzing information on the case, you draw up a compositional portrait and start trying it on to various persons involved, and so on.
            So I, out of habit, mentally immediately began to draw up such a portrait of a face that could affect the worldview of a young and impulsive Adolf in such a way that a monster was born.
            At the moment, I am inclined to think that there was no such specific person at all, especially since if you look closely at Hitler's ideas, they, in general, are assembled into a single concept, as they say, "on the knee", and such an "assembly" Hitler is quite could master it independently. In addition, from a certain moment a lot of people were at his disposal, capable of adjusting everything, adjusting and presenting it in a new, more strict, concise and consistent form.
            And now I have already received enough information for thought, thank you all. smile
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 23 December 2020 17: 01
              +1
              Sometimes you feel that someone's will and intelligence are behind some event, but the person itself remains unidentified, is not directly exposed in the case and is not listed among the main characters, but most likely is somewhere on the periphery.


              Good afternoon, Mikhail.
              What about Parvus? For me, this figure is a mystery.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 18: 01
                +2
                Kind. hi
                I was never specifically interested in this character. I know - he was like that, recently in some TV series about Ilyich (I did not watch) he was one of the main characters. Who played him, Fedya Bondarchuk? What is his role in the October events and in general in the revolutionary movement in Germany? I don’t know, I won’t tell. But personally, I got the impression from what I heard and caught my eye that he was a fairly authoritative character who had real authority and capabilities. And it also seems to me that he was not at all, as they say, a behind-the-scenes puppeteer, but was quite a public person, a person known both in revolutionary and police circles. Perhaps that's all. request
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 23 December 2020 18: 06
                  +1
                  I don’t watch TV shows at all, and I don’t digest Fedya, in particular. But something with Parvus is not all transparent and clear, this is a dark person, darker than all others.
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 23 December 2020 19: 02
                +2
                Parvus set himself the goal of revenge: to overthrow the Romanov dynasty.
                Which he, as a fanatic, considered responsible for the Jewish pogroms of the late 19th century.
                As soon as this happened (only partially with his help), he lost interest in the further development of events in Russia and no longer intervened in them.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 23 December 2020 19: 15
                  +4
                  Thank you, Alexey. It seems to be true, I was always amazed at how abruptly he went into the shadows after the October coup. drinks
            2. Fat
              Fat 23 December 2020 18: 51
              +2
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              In addition, from a certain moment he had a lot of people at his disposal, capable of adjusting everything, adjusting it and presenting it in a new, more strict, laconic and consistent form.

              Society "Thule", initially formed in "Folkish", the idea of ​​the superiority of the Aryan race began to push through about 1913. Along the way, they ruled the "philosophy" of the Nazis from the beginning. A young, exalted artist with ambitions - why not?
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 23 December 2020 14: 16
      +2
      Michael, hello. In the Soviet Union, Hitler was not published, where did you find him?
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 15: 19
        +4
        It was the mid-90s. Some of my classmates brought it, I shot it, read it ...
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 23 December 2020 19: 59
          0
          I heard that in 1996-97, some private publishing house was going to publish such books. Perhaps you have come across such a publication?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 20: 17
            +1
            I do not remember. I remember the book was so dark brown in hardcover with a subtle title. It is poorly executed, but clearly not artisanal. The paper was so yellowish, however, at that time everyone was like that. And I don't remember who published it.
          2. Fat
            Fat 24 December 2020 04: 11
            +1
            Astra, I'm sorry to interfere. In the period 94-96, I happened to be engaged in the book trade. Take the old gouging word for it. You could find EVERYTHING. And, you know, the publishers understood the spirit of the times. Our company was guided by AST - they had many wonderful beginnings. At 96, I merged, moved to another city and took up other things. But I ... I remember comrades who left the business because of an untimely death. I don't wind it up - it was. I cannot explain why. It would seem that money from government orders, so not ... Not the main thing ...
            In the year 94 there was a plot, as in the trash bin of the book market they found a package with many thousand dollars. How the tax police rejoiced then with decent words is indescribable ...
            Summary: in the mid-90s, publishing was little different from banditry ...
            1. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 24 December 2020 17: 49
              +1
              To be honest, I don't really pay attention to the publishing house, but I saw the ACT. Looks like they have detectives?
              You were probably involved in the book rental? We had this: there is a table, books on the table. You pay the security deposit and take the book for 3-4 days, and then return the book and a certain amount per day.
              Thus I read: "Angelica"
              1. Fat
                Fat 24 December 2020 18: 05
                0
                AST publishing house is one of the most serious. They publish EVERYTHING from encyclopedias to children's fairy tales.
                No, I did not work in the "box office", but I remember and approve of the services of such offices. I used it myself.
                I read long series from Max-Fry ...
                Easy reading, except "My Ragnarok" recourse
        2. Korsar4
          Korsar4 23 December 2020 21: 23
          +1
          Lay on the ruins around this period. The hand did not rise to buy. Maybe I'm limiting myself in life. Now the conversation is not supported.
      2. Fat
        Fat 23 December 2020 23: 05
        +1
        Published at the end of the 80s, then everything could be found ... and the "Garden of Love" by the Marquis de Sade as well.
        We, as "the most reading", as always, "swaboda" - and then missed laughing
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 24 December 2020 05: 57
          0
          Good morning, Andrei Borisovich, I would like to ask you the following question: Many people know about * Mein Kampf *, but there is also a * Second book *, the authorship of which is attributed to Hitler. What is your opinion on this? hi
          1. Fat
            Fat 24 December 2020 07: 35
            +2
            Sergey, believe me, I am already writing the 3rd answer ... I will be brief, I have not met, I have not read. I would remember that I am friends with Mrs. Mnemosyne. You need a couple of key phrases - you can find it yourself.
            Me and Mein Kampf just flipped through to get acquainted. And you ask my opinion about the content of something that you yourself are not sure of!
            .
            Sergey, forgive me for not reporting to you
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 24 December 2020 07: 59
              +1
              Quote: Thick
              You reported

              This is normal, never a problem. I asked why, I decided on * my * site to download / for the sake of interest! / * Mein Kampf * -not possible, writes * 404 *. But! There is a book authored by the aforementioned character * Second book * .Downloading free, began to rummage around. I found out that allegedly in 45, an American officer discovered a manuscript and, again, allegedly! For authorship of Hitler.
              1. Fat
                Fat 24 December 2020 08: 34
                +1
                Hoodlit ... That is, fiction. Oleg Vyacheslavovich pushed me to Goldstein's works from "84", I was imbued with and read a couple of articles from Leiba Bronstein, that is, L. Trotsky ... And ofigel! What a cool theorist and polemicist ... As for the manuscript ... "The manuscript found in Zaragoza" from Ptotsky, Jan-VESCH, I recommend ...
                And as for "Mein Kampf" in Russian, you can easily find it on the net in PDF format ... Honestly, after reading it, it feels as if it was pervertedly fucked in the brain and anointed with cocoa on his face to remember. Look, Sergei, you will find a lot of "secret". I told about my impressions.
                This is far from Goethe's Faust, but a declaration of purified hatred. If you also want to master the 2nd volume - success. And better drinks
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 23 December 2020 19: 13
      +3
      Mish, good evening. Just now I went to the site. Perhaps you have already been thrown: "information for thought", but I will also throw in five kopecks.
      Do you remember: "beer putsch": Hermann Goering, Ernst Rem, and their education was higher.
      It can be assumed that Rem had some sketches, then some more, and as the saying goes: "with the world on a thread and naked shirt" tobish book. Hitler was quite clever enough to put it together.
      Perhaps there were some other theoretical developments
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 20: 12
        +1
        Hello, Glory.
        Goering was also rather weak as a theoretician, it seems to me. Rem? A little older than Hitler himself, a soldier, straight as a bayonet, military education ... There is also the question of who could teach whom what in this pair. smile
        1. bnm.99
          bnm.99 23 December 2020 22: 52
          +3
          Schöbner-Richter, Arno Schikedants, Rosenberg and others. See the journal "Foreign Literature" for 1991. In one of the numbers (I don't remember exactly the month) there was an excerpt from Walter Lucker called "Hitler's Mentors". It described the formation of Hitler as a public politician - just 1919-1923.
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 24 December 2020 15: 14
          +2
          I believe that Goering and Remus had a better education than Hitler. By the way, I don't know how educated the Fuhrer was.
          In my opinion, the topic of "education of leaders", as far as they understood culture, tactics, is little covered. Everyone knows about Lenin. Education Stalin is more difficult here: after 1956 it was fashionable to cling to all dogs on him.
          With Hitler the same way: 1939-1942 "divine Fuhrer", and after Stalingrad: "they remembered" - he is a corporal! After 1945: "if it weren't for the corporal" and others
  • T.Henks
    T.Henks 23 December 2020 13: 41
    +2
    It seems to me that here commentators are all reading forbidden extremist literature. Yes, this is an article! And they preach, you know what. Now a moderator will appear and ban those who are too smart. Well, okay, there was a joke before this proposal. The role of personality in history cannot be disputed (unless you are Khrushchev). Good or bad. It is done. Hitler brought great grief to the peoples. No one can find the origins of the formation of personal qualities. You can write anything you want. The paper will endure. And the people will disentangle themselves as always. From our point of view, the Germans were justly punished for their faith in Hitler and his faith in the German people. And what would another ethnos do, with Stalin, for example, if the idea of ​​"Germany above all else" wins? Only speculation. Although the recent competition of the Union of Architects of Russia for the demolition of the "reprofiling" of the mausoleum is also symptomatic. Also a national issue? All this is sad.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 23 December 2020 13: 47
      +5
      Here commentators just love and appreciate the story.
      For reference- reading Mein Kampf is not banned in Russia.
      No one can find the origins of the formation of personal qualities.

      Specifically for Hitler, this was done a long time ago. There is a great variety of literature, as well as the investigated aspects of personality.
  • CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 23 December 2020 13: 58
    +1
    Uchitelem yavlialos THULE.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 14: 03
      +2
      How to understand this? "the teacher was" I understood, but what is "THULE"?
      1. CastroRuiz
        CastroRuiz 23 December 2020 14: 06
        +2
        Proshu v internete posmotret na obshestvo THULE, ego idei, deyatelnost i lica kotorie ego predstavlyali. Eto intelektualniy mozog nacizma.
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 15: 17
          +4
          I looked ... As the basis of the ideology of the superiority of the German nation, their ideas could well fit.
          1. CastroRuiz
            CastroRuiz 23 December 2020 15: 21
            +2
            Lica iz THULE bili serimi eminenciami 3.Reikha. I A. Rosenberg, vidayushchiy chlen THULE bil ideologom rezhima i ministrom. Ahnenerbe tozhe ikh ditia.
            1. Fat
              Fat 23 December 2020 23: 14
              +1
              Fair! You said "Thule" got into the rack. I think you are right. Organization of society 13-18 years ... and the place is right. True, reading transliteration ... is bad.
            2. Fat
              Fat 24 December 2020 02: 39
              +1
              Quote: CastroRuiz
              I A. Rosenberg,

              This is not Thule, This is already created in 1934 - 35 anenerbe .... And Thule, together with the organizer, withered away by 1920 .. You are right! There is where to look (not fixed, ... sorry - to dig) recourse
              1. CastroRuiz
                CastroRuiz 24 December 2020 17: 01
                +2
                THULE nikuda neizchezlo, skrilos za spinu NSDAP i lyudi iz nego, splosh intelektuali stali serimi eminenciami 3.Reikha. Ikh i Hitler prislushivalsa ne govoria o Goeringu, Himmleru itd.
                Ahnenerbe ikh ditia i skritno ey upravlyali po ideovo i intelektualnoy urovni.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 24 December 2020 17: 24
                  +1
                  The newspaper "Beobakhter" became the tribune of the NSDAP, the editor-in-chief by 1925, in general, merged.
                  The Nazi Party practically swallowed up "society" ... But ... T.K. research was needed, the "Anenerbe" appeared - the legacy of ancestors ... In short, the machine launched by the "Thule" society never stopped until 1945. You're right.
      2. Jünger
        Jünger 23 December 2020 14: 10
        0
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        How to understand this? "the teacher was" I understood, but what is "THULE"?

        At that time there was a mystical society Thule with an excellent mystical-nationalist philosophy. I understand that the Tatars are not interested in such things, but you are still a humanitarian lol
        1. Trilobite Master
          Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 15: 12
          +2
          Well, your "mystical-nationalist philosophy", or rather, a set of fairy tales for imbeciles, I was always interested in last. It's a pity to waste time on such nonsense. How close is this "philosophy" to you? laughing
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 23 December 2020 15: 18
            +2
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            Well, your "mystical-nationalist philosophy"

            She's not mine at all smile
            Quote: Trilobite Master
            How close is this "philosophy" to you?

            No, not close. This is more relevant for Alexander Samsonov with his super-ethnos. I like something else. smile
            1. Trilobite Master
              Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 15: 50
              +3
              - Girl, do you like cheese?
              - Hate!
              - It's strange, such a rat, but doesn't like cheese ...

              laughing
              So it’s strange to me - such a terry Nazi, but does not like the Aryans ... Can you also deny the divine right of the Russian people to rule over the surrounding foreigners?
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 23 December 2020 16: 03
                0
                Funny joke smile
                Quote: Trilobite Master
                Can you also deny the divine right of the Russian people to rule over the surrounding foreigners?

                It is not that divine, but the stronger and more intelligent must undoubtedly rule over others. This stems from the same Darwinian principles to which you are subject. Well these are the unshakable laws of nature.
                1. Trilobite Master
                  Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 16: 55
                  +2
                  Quote: Junger
                  strong and smart undoubtedly must rule over others

                  About how!
                  For example, a strong and smart Buryat over those around them are not so strong and smart Russians? Or, in your opinion, the dumbest and weakest Russian is stronger than the smartest and strongest Buryat?
                  Well, it's getting interesting ...
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 23 December 2020 17: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    For example, a strong and smart Buryat over those around them are not so strong and smart Russians?

                    Holy truth. Now the situation is getting closer to this scenario.
                    Quote: Trilobite Master
                    Or, in your opinion, the dumbest and weakest Russian is stronger than the smartest and strongest Buryat?

                    No, this is not my opinion. And even Adolf Aloizych could not say this. smile
                    Napoleon expounded, as you know, the following -
                    One Mamluk was stronger than one Frenchman; he was better trained and better armed. One hundred Mamluks could fight a hundred Frenchmen with a chance of success. But in the collision of two detachments, each of which exceeded 200 horsemen, the chances were on the side of the French.
                    .
                    This can be approximated by Russians and Buryats.
                    1. Trilobite Master
                      Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 18: 23
                      +3
                      Quote: Junger
                      This can be approximated by Russians and Buryats.

                      Yeah, and the Russians, in order to dominate a hundred Buryats, also need to gather at least a hundred. And two hundred will be able to dominate over three hundred. Fresh thought, you need to think. wassat
                      And what will you do with the Buryats after you defeat them?
                    2. Fat
                      Fat 23 December 2020 23: 32
                      +1
                      how cho? Fraternize drinks wassat
        2. Fat
          Fat 23 December 2020 23: 31
          0
          Michael! Well, what are you junger's "breed"? He and so ... Heap above the roof is not for you, for us. And he doesn't really fake. For his will come down. But from something, a hand unconsciously reaches for the right shoulder ... for the belt, where my AKM is at the post in one movement ... Intruder!
          And so kick off (within reason) recourse crying
          1. Jünger
            Jünger 24 December 2020 10: 15
            +1
            Quote: Thick
            But from something the hand unconsciously reaches to the right shoulder ... to the belt, where my AKM is in post in one movement

            Can we stir up a duel then? I have a gun ... On rubber bullets with 10 steps?
            Or do you prefer a fist fight?
            1. Fat
              Fat 24 December 2020 14: 04
              0
              Start right away by suing me, defending your honor and dignity. It doesn't matter where we start - it will end with this laughing Pafnutius, the data specified in the profile is real.
              By the way, how are you doing with the saber? If it's okay, send seconds to draw up a contract. Let me remind you that a duel is possible only between equals (in accordance with Durasov's dueling code) bully
              1. Jünger
                Jünger 24 December 2020 14: 09
                +2
                Quote: Thick
                Start right away by suing me defending your honor and dignity

                Judgment is low. You are probably an officer. The officers' assembly disapproved of the civil courts.
                Quote: Thick
                By the way, how are you doing with the saber?

                There is only a fake saber. You can take skewers from kebabs.
                Quote: Thick
                that a duel is only possible between equals

                I am one of the commoners, my dad is a proletarian. Will the origin suit you?
                If not, then, Andrei Borisovich, a fist fight is inevitable. By the rules of Burmese boxing.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 24 December 2020 14: 24
                  0
                  Good! skewers for lack of sabers fit. winked
                  I am also one of the commoners, but I really know how to fence
                  The weapon to choose for me - I'm in my right laughing
                  repeat Before the first blood or immediately before death?
                  1. Jünger
                    Jünger 24 December 2020 14: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Thick
                    I am also one of the commoners, but I really know how to fence

                    I don’t even know, I didn’t count on this. I don’t know how to fence. It will not be fair.
                    Better boxing, Andrei Borisovich? Right to death ..
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 24 December 2020 15: 19
                    0
                    No! the choice of weapon is my time-honored right. The choice of place and time is yours. Please, there is a moment, choose a place and time, where and when it will be easy to get.
                    I have already begun to write my will and sharpen the skewer ... The sisters will not approve if I, killed by a person hungry for satisfaction, will have to be taken further winked recourse crying
                  3. Jünger
                    Jünger 24 December 2020 15: 26
                    +1
                    Then I'll have to postpone, Andrei Borisovich, until I learn how to fence.
                    Quote: Thick
                    The sisters will not approve

                    Are there many sisters? Are you young and unmarried?
                  4. Fat
                    Fat 24 December 2020 15: 56
                    0
                    Three. I am the youngest. There are widows ... Young and inexperienced - no crying
                    It is reasonable to postpone it. And I will refresh the skill in the light of modern challenges ... bully
  • Pane Kohanku
    Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 14: 17
    +5
    Or did he pick up a nationalist infection at the front?

    Mikhail, have you watched Hitler. The Rise of the Devil? It is clear that the film is a feature film (it seems to be banned in some countries). It shows that Hitler's company commander was Jewish. If this was indeed the case, then perhaps this officer is in the photo - for example, at the top in the center.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 15: 57
      +2
      Quote: Pane Kohanku
      "Hitler. The Rise of the Devil"

      Did not watch. Recommend? Not too hard? New Year is already on the nose ...
      1. Pane Kohanku
        Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 15: 59
        +3
        Did not watch. Recommend? Not too hard? New Year is already on the nose ...

        I at one time mastered only half. The selection of artists is not historical .. what But, I think, the film will give some general picture of what was happening then.
  • Kwas
    Kwas 23 December 2020 14: 18
    +1
    Well, one of the teachers is Gustave Le Bon. Whole chunks of it at Main Kampf.
    1. Trilobite Master
      Trilobite Master 23 December 2020 14: 56
      +2
      Le Bon ...
      A Frenchman who admired the British and researched the psychology of the crowd ... In terms of the method of manipulating the opinion of the masses - perhaps, but this, again, is more of a practice. With the same success it is possible to write down in the teacher and Nietzsche with his cult of "strong personality". But it seems to me that both Le Bon and Nietzsche were not the "primary source" for Hitler. There was some kind of intermediate link. It should have been.
      1. Kwas
        Kwas 23 December 2020 15: 05
        +1
        For example, Hitler straight from there, almost literally, distorted the comparison of the United States with Latin America.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 24 December 2020 19: 34
    0
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    It's strange. There is not a single question from the series "why this article came out today".

    Well, personally, I did not listen to the next tales about the main thing. Since I no longer believe. Ukraine? I don’t follow too much, for the booth. President elections? I always said let the abyss rule even after death for another 100 years. The main thing is that there would be benefit to the people, dash to the state. But this is not expected, I mean the benefit. And you can always write about people who have left a big historical mark in history. You can, of course, write about Gorbochev, Yeltsin, and the bushes. But there everything is in one gate.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 23 December 2020 12: 28
    +1
    Of course, the Nazis were notable hypocrites. It is enough to look at the photos of many leaders of the Third Reich, and at ordinary Germans, to understand that they, to a large extent, to put it mildly, did not at all correspond to the "Aryan" standards.
  • Bersaglieri
    Bersaglieri 23 December 2020 12: 32
    +1
    I remember it was a very good film on this topic: https://www.kinopoisk.ru/series/89539/
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 14: 25
      +3
      I remember it was a very good film on this topic: https://www.kinopoisk.ru/series/89539/

      The selection of artists is a bit weird, but the film is famous. hi
      1. Mihaylov
        Mihaylov 23 December 2020 15: 48
        +5
        Quote: Pane Kohanku
        The selection of artists is a bit weird

        Good afternoon Nikolai,
        not quite in the subject, but I can tell a funny story about Hitler: once my wife, indifferent to history, also decided to "enlighten" a little and read something. I chose a book by I. Fest "Adolf Hitler" in my library, read it for a couple of days in the subway, then speaks; I don’t understand why everyone is looking askance at me and avoiding it. ”I told her:“ You should take the dust jacket with the portrait of Hitler off the book ” wassat
        1. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 16: 21
          +3
          I told her: "You should have removed the dust jacket with the portrait of Hitler from the book."

          ahaha, class! Girls, what's already here .. love
          I was somehow not very interested in the formation of Nazism ... request Maximum - the history of the SS troops, it is briefly set forth in this book.

          But in 2017 he saw the grave of such an ambiguous figure as Gil-Rodionov. He was buried in the village of Ushachi, Vitebsk region - the capital of the "partisan region", there is a whole partisan burial. The partisan artist Nikolai Obrynba, whose paintings hang in the Ushachsky Museum of National Glory, spoke warmly enough about Gil in his memoirs "The Fate of the Militia" (available on the militia).
          A stand with pictures of Obrynba (photos from the Internet, because my photos are on my home computer).
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 23 December 2020 17: 13
            +3
            Hi, Nikolai. hi
            In Soviet times, a voluminous and informative book "SS in Action" was also published (if you were not mistaken in the title), browse the net.
            1. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 17: 42
              +3
              In Soviet times, a voluminous and informative book "SS in Action" was also published (if you were not mistaken in the title), browse the net.

              1960 edition? It? By the way, the book was written by the Germans!

              You can buy on the internet. And you can download it on the "militer" - this is the edition of 2000.
              http://militera.lib.ru/docs/0/pdf/ss-v-deistvii.pdf
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 23 December 2020 18: 02
                +3
                Yes, this is the book, I have it, only in Moscow.
                1. Pane Kohanku
                  Pane Kohanku 23 December 2020 18: 07
                  +3
                  Yes, this is the book, I have it, only in Moscow.

                  You can download the link that I posted above. drinks
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 23 December 2020 18: 10
                    +3
                    Come on, her, I would have some kind of fiction thread for relaxation, but unless you find something sensible among the heap of Internet trash.
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 23 December 2020 20: 06
                      +3
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      sensible among the heaps of Internet trash.


                      Baby Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd and the other * eagles of the thirties * are waiting to meet you, amigo. wink
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 December 2020 20: 21
                        +3
                        Thank you, comrade, though in my youth I shoveled a bunch of all sorts of things about Dillinger.
                      2. Phil77
                        Phil77 23 December 2020 20: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        any

                        What about this author? Strong thing!
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 23 December 2020 20: 49
                        +3
                        And we'll see it. Thank you.
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 25 December 2020 13: 53
                    +1
                    Baby Nelson, Pretty Boy Floyd and the other * eagles of the thirties * are waiting to meet you, amigo.

                    At one time I was read by Fyodor Razzakov, "Bandits of the West". Although they are now talking about him - they say, a liar, a chatterbox and a giggle. But he wrote about these comrades very easily and interestingly. drinks
                2. Fat
                  Fat 24 December 2020 04: 24
                  +3
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  among a heap of internet trash.

                  If you have not seen da Vinci's demons yet, I recommend it - something beautifully incompatible with reality, but how "italy of the Renaissance" is shown there is just a miracle.
                  (especially if I managed to play earlier, I had a chance to play AC) yes almost a week of rest!
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 24 December 2020 05: 23
                    +3
                    Andrew, hello.
                    I haven't seen Da Vinci's Demons, I don't even know what it is, a movie, a book, a game?
                  2. Fat
                    Fat 24 December 2020 06: 04
                    +3
                    The series, in taste and color, but, I personally liked Bole than the notorious "game of thrones", those more at the mention of Lorenzo (il Magnifico) I lose 50-80% of adequacy - legends rule ... laughing hi
                  3. Fat
                    Fat 24 December 2020 06: 22
                    +1
                    And as for Da Vinci - himself - in general, you can not leave the screen, right you will not get off with popcorn. He, like me, is an ambidexter, or rather a retrained left-hander ... I mean myself (I am not Leonardo - this one is famous, unique) ...
                    in short ... Ave Italia, Ave Fiorino, Tuscany ...
                    and ... Santa croche ... drinks
                  4. Catfish
                    Catfish 24 December 2020 06: 23
                    +2
                    Clear. Thank. smile
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 23 December 2020 14: 07
    +1
    "at the same time they disgusted any outside observer" just like our Duma.
    They do not decide ANYTHING and DO NOT WANT TO DECIDE, but they receive money!
    The author, and then the deputies had the same means, or was Franz Joseph a miser?
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 23 December 2020 15: 06
    +2
    Quote: Olgovich
    The reason for this was a specific ending - Germany was defeated, but not on the battlefield, but at the negotiating table.
    nonsense: before the negotiations there was an unconditional defeat, which became both their reason and their basis
    Few people knew that the available resources would not have allowed them to hold out for even a year - then it was skillfully hidden.

    Yes, EVERYONE knew about it, especially after the wild hunger strike of 1916-17 ("turnip winter"), when 800 people died of hunger.

    Remarque has a scene where a platoon of ragged German soldiers - with paper bandages, hungry and practically unarmed, looked at the passing, well-equipped Americans - they could not resist this.

    The Germans came out of the First World War with a quality rare for the interwar period - the willingness to throw themselves into this fire again.

    There was no such readiness, except for a handful of marginals - at Remarque, again, this is well described in "Three Comrades", "Black Obelisk", etc.

    Willingness appeared later, when the disabled and crippled died out and young people grew up who did not know WHAT war was.
    they believed in the myth

    "Stab in the back"

    - that the war was lost not on the battlefield, but in treacherous offices


    And one more reason was called the future, the Nazis lost the war because of ... the Jews.

    The famous dialogue from the Black Obelisk:

    - Lost for the Jews !.
    - And because of the cyclists.
    -What have the cyclists got to do with it?
    -What have the Jews to do with it?

    Remarque was able to accurately notice the nuances of the crowd.
    If you carefully read the Remark, you can see the influence of Dostoevsky
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 23 December 2020 21: 28
      +4
      Psychology? Didn't think about it.
      Rather, I would combine Remarque into one cluster with
      But I value the psychological observations of the second higher.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 23 December 2020 15: 38
    +1
    "extravagance coupled with failures at the Academy brought young Hitler to the streets" if he had more money, what would he become?
    Perhaps he would not have had such popularity?
    It cannot be said that Hitler was a psychopath and paranoid. He possessed some kind of bestial cunning. This trick, together with the impressions of his youth, shaped Hitler's character.
    1. Fat
      Fat 23 December 2020 22: 31
      +1
      Quote: Astra wild2
      He possessed some kind of bestial cunning.

      Aster. In the Tula ideology, people were divided into human-beasts and human-people ... I will not (do not want to) go into details. Dig about the "animal cunning" of the leader of the Nazis, you will remember the last thing ... request
  • ont65
    ont65 23 December 2020 16: 22
    0
    Briefly, but essentially does not explain anything. How in prim Germany with its ultra-conservative elite a neurasthenic with pronounced misanthropic views and, moreover, a mystic with empty pockets out of nowhere - from the street, emerges and becomes an icon on the political scene? For the old dying imperial Europe, this is somehow too much, even if it was carried there by the Krupps and Thyssen. It was not without the press, which means that even then it served as a tool for reducing the brain.
    1. Jünger
      Jünger 23 December 2020 17: 28
      +2
      Quote: ont65
      How in prim Germany with its ultra-conservative elite, a neurasthenic with pronounced misanthropic views enters the political scene and becomes an icon.

      Like, Kaiser Wilhelm was maybe a balanced humanistic honey? Or Ludendorff and Hindenburg - pronounced humanists?
      They were all ardent anti-Semites, racists and militarists. And the seed fell on the fertilized soil.
      1. ont65
        ont65 27 December 2020 11: 38
        0
        With this, and without the Reich, and under the Kaiser, with his orders, life was good, besides, none of them has anything to do with the future Fuhrer of the nation. And who has? If interested, there is a study on this https://naked-science.ru/article/psy/adolf-hitler-and-alois-hitler
        1. Jünger
          Jünger 28 December 2020 10: 48
          0
          Quote: ont65
          besides, none of them has anything to do with the future Fuhrer of the nation.

          You are wrong, Hitler, together with Ludendorff, did the beer coup. And we communicated closely. And Ludendorff is Hindenburg's sidekick, so they had a direct relationship.
          1. ont65
            ont65 29 December 2020 07: 28
            0
            You are tenacious. Anyone can be enticed to Hitler, but it will not be Hitler - the odious figure of the 20th century. And the speech here is about him, his family, and about no one else.
  • alex-pmr
    alex-pmr 23 December 2020 17: 12
    0
    Short retelling of "Mein Kampf"
  • Catfish
    Catfish 23 December 2020 17: 26
    +3
    ... the Germans were suddenly driven into a corner for themselves in the negotiations and received the humiliating and unpleasant Peace of Versailles ...


    V. I. Lenin wrote about the Versailles Treaty as a "treaty of predators and robbers":
    "This is an unheard-of, predatory world, which puts tens of millions of people, including the most civilized, in the position of slaves. This is not a world, but conditions dictated by robbers with a knife in their hands for a defenseless victim."

    In a conversation with E. Eden on March 29, 1935 in the Kremlin, Stalin says:

    "Sooner or later the German people had to free themselves from the chains of Versailles ... I repeat, such a great people as the Germans had to break free from the chains of Versailles."

    Here, neither add nor subtract, both leaders foresaw the consequences of this "agreement".

    There would be no Hitler - there would be someone else.
    1. Essex62
      Essex62 23 December 2020 20: 40
      +1
      Another crusade against Russia was inevitable. But to prevent its catastrophic, for her, the beginning was possible.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 23 December 2020 18: 25
    +4
    Timur, I am very glad that you are back and good work immediately. Carry on with the good workers.
    The beginning of the formation of Hitler, practically "not a plowed field"
  • bandabas
    bandabas 23 December 2020 18: 28
    -2
    And entered the History. Unlike Timur Sherzad.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 23 December 2020 19: 13
      +5
      And he entered History.


      "- With your cunning what ours can compare. We are simply heavenly angels in comparison with you.
      - He-he-he ... Is it with me? Well, however, it's nice when you are considered the devil. People die, the memory of them remains. Even if such a memory ... Hehe ... (Mueller - Schellenberg and Stirlitz, 4 series) "
    2. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 23 December 2020 20: 36
      +2
      Don't you like Timur's work?
  • Alien From
    Alien From 23 December 2020 18: 38
    +1
    Not a bad article, but small ...
  • BAI
    BAI 23 December 2020 19: 20
    +4
    When the First World War broke out, Hitler immediately enlisted in the army of imperial Germany. Quite bravely fighting,

    He was not "pretty", but excellent at fighting. He had an iron cross of the 2nd degree (there were just a lot of them), an iron cross of the 1st degree (and there were already much less of them) and the sign "For injury". In 1940, not very many state leaders could boast of such (similar) recruitment (especially if you take into account - from the rank and file (God bless him, even from corporal) - to the leader of state leaders).
  • Fat
    Fat 23 December 2020 19: 48
    +2
    In the subject of the "young future dictator" my personal attitude is greatly spoiled by the reading of the Strugatsky brothers ...Das motorrad unter dem fenster am sonntag morgen (motorcycle under the window on Sunday morning)
    The painting depicted a room. The window is open. The morning sun can be seen outside the window. In the room there are: on the left - a torn-up bed with an abnormal number of pillows and featherbeds; on the right is a monstrous chest of drawers with an open drawer, and on the chest of drawers is a mass of porcelain trinkets. In the middle is a man in an underwear. He is in a strange position - apparently, sneaking to the window. In his right hand, drawn back to the viewer, a hand grenade is clamped. All.
    He [Ahasfer Lukich] raised his voice. - Blacksmith! Ilmarinen! Come here for a minute! Look what we have prepared for you ... Here, here, closer ... How does it feel for you, huh? "Motorcycle under the window on Sunday morning." Implemented by an F-1 grenade, aka "lemon", aka "ananaska". Unfortunately, the pomegranate has not survived. Here, you know, one of two things: either a grenade or a motorcycle. Seryozha and I consulted and decided that the motorcycle would be more interesting for you ... Isn't it a funny picture?
    Demiurge was silent for a while.
    “It could be worse,” he grumbled at last. - Why does everyone think that he is a landscape painter? Good. I take it. Sergei Korneevich, give him two hundred ... no, one and a half hundred Reichsmarks, please. From now on, don't bother me, just take whatever he offers ... What is he like?
    I shrugged.
    - Pale ... pimply ... loose face. Young, black bangs on his forehead ...
    - Mustache?
    - No mustache. And no beard. A very ordinary face.
    - An ordinary face, an ordinary painting ... His surname is extraordinary.
    - And what is his last name? - Agasfer Lukich roused himself and bent down to the floor, trying to read the signature in the lower right corner. - Why, there are only initials, my Ptah. A and C are Latin ...
    “Adolf Schicklgruber,” grumbled Demiurge. He was already retiring to his own darkness. - However, this name is unlikely to tell you anything ...
    Agasfer Lukich and I exchanged glances. He made a mournful grimace and sadly spread his hands.:

    PS. The artist always signed works with the name HITLER or the initials A.N.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 23 December 2020 20: 33
    +2
    Quote: Sergej1972
    It would be more correct to call them not independent, but simply non-partisan.)

    Non-party fascists. Either they had jambs, or they were kept for entourage
    1. Fat
      Fat 23 December 2020 21: 49
      +1
      Astra, forgive me the minus is not mine, but if mine, then by accident. You are absolutely right, so much so that no one, for little, even has no doubts .... You let everyone down from reasoning to our sinful land. love
      Thank you.
  • Kushka
    Kushka 23 December 2020 23: 39
    +1

    Recently, I have been having some problems with expressing my own thoughts, apparently. Whoever wants me so understands.
    [i] [/ i]
    patient, may I?
    doctor - come in, what are you complaining about?
    patient - everyone ignores me!
    doctor (loudly) - NEXT!
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 December 2020 02: 20
      +1
      Quote: Kushka
      FOLLOWING!

      To the patient:
      And you, my friend, have an incurable disease!
      - Doctor, (Lord, have mercy) What?
      - First .... you have an Ass!
  • Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 24 December 2020 10: 33
    0
    There is no longer Lenin, not Stalin, stop living in the past, it's time to return to reality and live in the present, 20 years ago everyone shouted hurray Putin, composed songs and poems, the girls were all going to marry him, and in a hundred years they will say that he is bad, while others are holy and cool, who lives with him badly or well !!!
  • Gugenot
    Gugenot 31 December 2020 16: 20
    0
    Didn't hesitate to serve in the army
  • rruvim
    rruvim 2 January 2021 17: 01
    0
    As my friend says: “Again the tender idea of ​​fascism is being soiled with their dirty Jewish hands” ... I would agree with his opinion if it were not for the millions of Russian people who died.