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Soyuz-2.1b with British communications satellites launched from Vostochny cosmodrome

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Soyuz-2.1b with British communications satellites launched from Vostochny cosmodrome

The Russian Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle was launched from the Vostochny cosmodrome. As reported on the Roscosmos website, the rocket will launch 36 communication satellites of the British company OneWeb into orbit.


The rocket was launched from the 1C site of the Vostochny cosmodrome at 15:26. The launch took place as usual. At 15:35 the Fregat upper stage with 36 satellites separated from the third stage of the rocket on a suborbital trajectory. Further insertion of satellites into a target circular orbit with an altitude of 450 km will be carried out by turning on the propulsion engines of the Fregat upper stage. The satellite separation will take place in nine stages of 4 satellites, starting at 16:44.

It is noted that this is the 16th launch of the Russian space rocket this year and the sixth from the Vostochny Cosmodrome since 2016. This launch is the first fully commercial one launched from Vostochny. Prior to that, commercial satellites were removed from this cosmodrome as a payload with the main Russian vehicles.

(...) the launch was the first fully commercial spacecraft launch from the Russian Vostochny cosmodrome. In addition, it also became the first launch carried out by the French company Arianespace for OneWeb from this spaceport.

- said the Russian state corporation.

According to Roscosmos, another launch will be made from the Kourou cosmodrome in French Guiana by the end of the year.

LEO OneWeb spacecraft are designed to provide terrestrial consumers with high-speed Internet directly via satellite communications. To date, the group in low-earth orbit has 74 spacecraft.
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  1. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 18 December 2020 16: 32
    -6
    No need for any money to help the damned Anglo-Saxon Russophobes
    1. Letun
      Letun 18 December 2020 16: 38
      +11
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      No need for any money to help the damned Anglo-Saxon Russophobes

      Yeah. The mother will feed and buy jeans. Oh. Jeans are American! Pants. Simple trousers.
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 18 December 2020 16: 56
        +27
        We are waiting for decisive action from the British government, which will impose sanctions on the British company OneWeb for cooperation with Roscosmos. negative
        1. zloybond
          zloybond 18 December 2020 16: 59
          +2
          good drinks laughing this is a must. if not, then we will impose)))) lol
          1. Aag
            Aag 18 December 2020 18: 33
            +1
            Quote: zloybond
            good drinks laughing this is a must. if not, then we will impose)))) lol

            A short comment, and how many meanings you can put!
            Do not allow the possibility of discrepancies! am stop laughing
        2. APASUS
          APASUS 18 December 2020 17: 17
          +7
          Quote: Proxima
          We are waiting for decisive action from the British government, which will impose sanctions on the British company OneWeb for cooperation with Roscosmos. negative

          They will not impose. Where necessary, they can perfectly keep silent and bite their tongue
        3. donavi49
          donavi49 18 December 2020 19: 28
          +4
          The British company OneWeb has signed a contract with ArianSpace. ArianSpace takes part from Kuru, part from Russia. The actual customer of this launch is ArianSpace.

          If anyone arrives, then ArianSpace. wink But the probability is about 0%.
      2. knn54
        knn54 18 December 2020 17: 08
        +11
        In October 2018, the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) also opposed Russia's participation in the OneWeb project. In her opinion, the satellite network can be used for intelligence purposes to the detriment of Russia's national security. In addition, the security officials believe that the implementation of the project may threaten the profitability of the activities of domestic telecom operators, especially in sparsely populated and hard-to-reach areas, and also make Russians completely dependent on foreign communication systems.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 18 December 2020 18: 18
          -2
          also make Russians completely dependent on foreign communication systems.


          This is the future and in some places the present - put a plate and Uncle Musk gives you a hundred megabits, with three milliseconds of delay he gives. And goodbye to the great Chinese firewall ... laughing Progress cannot be stopped by prohibitions. laughing
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 18 December 2020 18: 38
            +2
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            This is the future and in some places the present - put a plate and Uncle Musk gives you a hundred megabits, with three milliseconds of delay he gives.

            So big and you believe in fairy tales.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 18 December 2020 18: 48
              -1
              So big and you believe in fairy tales.


              Go to YouTube and drive Starlink internet test speed. They are already on sale and in use.
              The minus is not mine.
          2. Aag
            Aag 18 December 2020 18: 38
            +4
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            also make Russians completely dependent on foreign communication systems.


            This is the future and in some places the present - put a plate and Uncle Musk gives you a hundred megabits, with three milliseconds of delay he gives. And goodbye to the great Chinese firewall ... laughing Progress cannot be stopped by prohibitions. laughing

            Sorry, along with the commercial component, the issue of national security will be touched upon ...
          3. ZAV69
            ZAV69 18 December 2020 18: 46
            +3
            Quote: Keyser Soze

            This is the future and in some places the present - put a plate and Uncle Musk gives you a hundred megabits, with three milliseconds of delay he gives.

            The real speed is 134 down and 19 up with a delay of 39. And that is not always the case. And this despite the fact that only testers sit on the satellite. No one knows what will happen with the real load. Here is the link https://3dnews.ru/1024391/pervie-vpechatleniya-ot-sputnikovogo-interneta-starlink-komfortnie-skorost-i-zadergka-prostaya-ustanovkaoborudovaniya
            ps Do not forget about the weather, in good clouds and heavy rain, subscribers will generally smoke.
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 18 December 2020 19: 04
              -4
              And this despite the fact that only testers sit on the satellite. So far, no one knows what will happen with a real load.


              It's the Americans - Uncle Musk is already selling. At the same time, it tests the real load of satellites. And now it is not enough, but there will be 12 thousand. But if you are in the middle of nothing and your speed drops from 100 to even 1 megabit, then it's better than no Internet.
              1. Narak-zempo
                Narak-zempo 18 December 2020 22: 34
                -4
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                it's better than no internet.

                Worse.
                Because even in a remote skete, it deprives a person of the opportunity to think about saving the soul instead of watching beauty bloggers laughing
            2. Piramidon
              Piramidon 19 December 2020 18: 32
              0
              Quote: ZAV69
              Do not forget about the weather, in good clouds and heavy rain, subscribers will generally smoke.

              And what, in this weather, all satellite communications collapse?
              1. ZAV69
                ZAV69 19 December 2020 23: 56
                0
                Quote: Piramidon
                And what, in this weather, all satellite communications collapse?

                And what's news for you that in bad weather you can suck a paw? Here is a living example: Tula region, Eutelsat 36B satellite, Supral 55 dish, NTV + provider in heavy rain, the signal can drop to 0. And if the mirror clogs with sleet, the signal in front of our eyes at 0 leaves. By the way, from this satellite, in good weather, you can watch movies at 35 cm. Do you think the Internet signal behaves differently?
                1. Piramidon
                  Piramidon 20 December 2020 00: 12
                  0
                  So this is not the attenuation of the satellite signal, but the shitty dish, when wet, changes its properties. Have you tried to cover it with some kind of radio-transparent material from water and snow?
                  1. ZAV69
                    ZAV69 20 December 2020 01: 01
                    0
                    Quote: Piramidon
                    So this is not the attenuation of the satellite signal, but the shitty dish, when wet, changes its properties. Have you tried to cover it with some kind of radio-transparent material from water and snow?

                    Have you read my post carefully? In heavy rain, the signal goes down. Sits down in a thunderstorm. I've been doing satellite TV for about 15 years, probably. What I just didn’t try, I was turning to catch all satellites from 30W to 95E, and I studied the dependence of the signal quality on weather conditions. The strongest signal was in winter in severe frost, when the atmosphere was clean and calm, I calmly fished everything from the 19.2 aster, usually you cannot catch everything there. Although here it is already offtopic
        2. Aag
          Aag 18 December 2020 18: 35
          +1
          Quote: knn54
          In October 2018, the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) also opposed Russia's participation in the OneWeb project. In her opinion, the satellite network can be used for intelligence purposes to the detriment of Russia's national security. In addition, the security officials believe that the implementation of the project may threaten the profitability of the activities of domestic telecom operators, especially in sparsely populated and hard-to-reach areas, and also make Russians completely dependent on foreign communication systems.

          Now this is already serious ... Can you refer to the source?
        3. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 18 December 2020 18: 52
          0
          Quote: knn54
          the implementation of the project may threaten the profitability of the activities of domestic telecom operators, especially in sparsely populated and hard-to-reach areas, and also make Russians completely dependent on foreign communication systems.

          And besides
          To date, the group in low-earth orbit has 74 spacecraft.

          this is only part of one satellite constellation of one country! With such a speed, soon the clouds of satellites will close the Sun from us, instead of meteorological clouds ...
        4. slipped
          slipped 18 December 2020 19: 26
          +4
          Quote: knn54
          In October 2018, against Russia's participation in the OneWeb project


          However, there is Russian participation in the company. laughing Moreover, each launched satellite is equipped with Russian stationary plasma engines.

        5. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 19 December 2020 06: 53
          +1
          Quote: knn54
          The implementation of the project may threaten the profitability of the activities of domestic telecom operators, especially in sparsely populated and hard-to-reach areas, and also make Russians completely dependent on foreign communication systems.

          As for addiction, the solution is very simple, you create your own system and the question is closed.
          As for profitability, it is more difficult, the business will have to show social responsibility (and in Russian, to moderate its greed), or pay for the event from the state budget. For competition exists regardless of our wishes. You cannot forbid satellites to fly over our territory, and if they are not launched by the Soyuz, someone else will launch them anyway. If we refuse, we will just shoot ourselves in the foot.
      3. Yaro Polk
        Yaro Polk 18 December 2020 17: 30
        0
        Now all the rags in China are sewn ... son wink
      4. Runoway
        Runoway 18 December 2020 22: 22
        -5

        Yeah. The mother will feed and buy jeans. Oh. Jeans are American! Pants. Simple trousers.

        Where are you fighting like that? Soon you will be put in a pose and organs will be cut out, and you will talk about earnings and development !!!
        We have been sending round timber for 20 years to China and Finland, they earn billions on this, and we have nothing else to develop the space industry with, except by sending satellites of those who are not built for us.
        And how much of this "round timber" is everywhere. The country has everything from rich reserves to brains. Only the authorities are busy only to take a loan from the IMF at 4% and here to distribute at 25%, killing any opportunity for the development of either industry or even more so for agriculture. So, in everything from markovi from Israel to toothpicks and microchips from China, there is nothing of our own, it's easier to buy for a ruble and sell by a monopolist for 25
        They simply shatter the population and compensate for the shortage with migrants
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 18 December 2020 22: 55
          +1
          Quote: Runoway

          Only the authorities are busy only to to take a loan from the IMF at 4% and here to distribute at 25%, killing any opportunity for the development of either industry, let alone agriculture.
          Uncle don't whistle! Since 2000, Russia has never applied for IMF loansand its total debt to the Fund was reduced by 2004 to $ 5,1 billion. In January 2005, in accordance with the provisions of the IMF Charter on early repayment of loans by members of the Fund, which significantly improved their balance of payments and increased the size of foreign exchange reserves, Russia paid the IMF the entire volume of accumulated debt (about $ 3,3 billion), thereby fully paying off its obligations to this organization. https://ria.ru/20140224/996722123.html
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 18 December 2020 16: 40
      +3
      So understand who to whom with reconciliation ...

      Business and nothing personal.
    3. AshPoseidon
      AshPoseidon 18 December 2020 17: 32
      +4
      So these same satellites for the Internet, and Roscosmos denyuzhka will not hurt.
    4. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 18 December 2020 17: 36
      +9
      Business only, nothing personal. Gazprom won "Echo Matzo" contains, and nothing.
    5. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 18 December 2020 22: 01
      0
      It is foolish to lose the money needed to develop the space industry. Are you ready to spite the Anglo-Saxons to destroy your economy?
    6. iouris
      iouris 19 December 2020 11: 29
      0
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      No need to help for any money

      Do they also pay?
    7. Grits
      Grits 19 December 2020 11: 38
      +1
      Quote: Yaro Polk
      No need for any money to help the damned Anglo-Saxon Russophobes

      On the contrary - let them get hooked on our "space needle". And bash, bash, bash ...
      1. iouris
        iouris 19 December 2020 16: 11
        0
        So that you understand, in the space industry the volume of services for launching satellites ("space" transportation) is approximately 5% (ie nothing) of the market volume. The rest is owned by satellite owners who provide telecommunications and other services. There is no doubt that the enemy's military reconnaissance and telecommunication satellites are also launched with the help of Roscosmos.
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 18 December 2020 16: 33
    +8
    God grant that everything goes well! hi So that every start is trouble-free! !!
    1. seti
      seti 18 December 2020 16: 45
      0
      Quote: Thrifty
      God grant that everything goes well! hi So that every start is trouble-free! !!

      The satellites are not ours, so on the one hand, it may not be bad that they do not go into orbit. On the other hand, then they will not contact us. Dilemma.
      Something like a third is needed - to make a corrective so that if something happens they will ...
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 18 December 2020 17: 28
        +7
        You just have to have your PN.
        Like Musk.
        Then you won't have to look for a job with the damned bourgeoisie.
      2. AshPoseidon
        AshPoseidon 18 December 2020 17: 35
        0
        In which case there is our videoconferencing. good
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 18 December 2020 17: 44
          +4
          And what about their orders? From Mon?
          Abundance?
          Such that even Angara can be puzzled with only 4-6 launches per year? And so far theoretically?
        2. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 18 December 2020 18: 24
          +2
          In which case there is our videoconferencing.


          Not to mention ... Starlink satellites will be 12, the size of a small suitcase ... laughing
          Even Darth Vader won't have time to shoot down that many ... bully
  3. K-612-O
    K-612-O 18 December 2020 16: 39
    +11
    Since they are broadcasting to all of us, there is no cosmodrome, everything was stolen and everything fell apart! How so? And about the contract with OneWeb, he also left Musk. Well, how is that? Roskosmos has been gone for a long time, only Rogozin and his office remained
    1. Blackmokona
      Blackmokona 18 December 2020 17: 12
      +9
      Musk's OneWeb contract doesn't go away because Musk makes a Starlink competitor.
      1. K-612-O
        K-612-O 18 December 2020 18: 10
        -1
        And How? In contrast to this project, while it is somehow sour, promises, and requests for investment.
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 18 December 2020 18: 19
          +2
          Musk already provides Internet clients, and there are almost a thousand Starlink satellites in space.
        2. Cosm22
          Cosm22 18 December 2020 18: 38
          +1
          How is sour?
          Is it very soon there will be a thousand satellites in orbit?
          Is this the speed of production of satellites - 6 units per day? Moreover, it should be noted that this is its own PN. Musk is not begging for foreign customers in search of work, he provides himself with it. He displays his PN with his reusable PH.
          Is it already tested internet with speeds of over 100 Mbps with ultra-low latency (even before the number of satellites is full)?
          Who's sour, can you clarify?
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 18 December 2020 17: 26
      0
      Are you confusing anything?
      Who and when said that the contract with OneWeb went to Musk? It was only about the bankruptcy of the company, which was pulled out of the financial hole by the British and the Indians. And who now give to earn at least some pretty penny RK.
      Which is actually not entirely clear.
      To date, I have no data, but in February 2020 the situation looked like this.
      The launch price of Soyuz-STB (which flew to Soyuz-2.1b), according to RIA-Novosti, was about $ 48,5 million for 6 satellites. That is, about 8 million for 1 satellite.
      At the same time, at the beginning of 2018, Musk managed to reduce the launch price from $ 61,2 million to $ 42,8. Only by reusing the first stage, and the price will decrease in the future and by reducing the cost of insurance. According to Gwynne Shotwell, the price of one launch today under the Starlink program is in the range of 0,6-0,7 million dollars.
      And it is unlikely that the trend since February for the cost of launching the Alliances has changed. However, it is unlikely that we will be told anything about this at all.
      1. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 18 December 2020 17: 33
        -2
        and we have many countries are able to launch space? if in fact, then only a few ..
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 18 December 2020 18: 11
          -4
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          and we have many countries are able to launch space? if in fact, then only a few ..

          And many do not need it, it's easier to pay the loot for launching a satellite, or how the United Arab Emirates can cooperate with NASA.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 18 December 2020 21: 31
            -2
            but even the British did not go .. because everyone has everything scheduled and no one will give 26 missiles
        2. K-612-O
          K-612-O 18 December 2020 18: 23
          +3
          France, India, Israel, Japan, China, Iran. This is apart from the USA and us.
          And with us, as I understand it, it turned out cheaper and more reliable than the guardians. Britons can count
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 18 December 2020 21: 35
            -2
            oh yes ... especially Israel will be able to build 26 missiles with a carrying capacity of up to 7 tons
      2. Cosm22
        Cosm22 18 December 2020 17: 42
        0
        It is possible, of course, that the price tag of the Union for a cassette with 36 satellites against 60 for Musk has changed for the better. But hardly drastically.
        RK only has this job because OneWeb is a direct competitor to Starlink. And the company is forced to close its eyes to the launch price.
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 18 December 2020 18: 20
          0
          Our launches are objectively cheaper. The RK does not receive, on the first demand, preferential money and the NASOV budget. Alas, Space is an objectively unprofitable company, like Tesla. One has only to calculate the economics of the processes based on the market prices of components and fuel, I am silent about the lease of sites
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 18 December 2020 18: 52
            0
            This, apparently, is purely from the fact that SpaceX is "objectively unprofitable company, like Tesla", Musk shares 2-3 place in the list of the richest people in the world?
            And fantasies about "our launches, which are objectively cheaper" and getting "on demand money and the Nazov budget" would be nice to back up with links.
            And most importantly, if you don't understand the topic, why do you stubbornly cling to it? Can you tell you about the history of the relationship between SpaceX and NASA? Remind you how much money and time Musk lost to NASA's delays in certifying the Nine and Dragon grades?
            Why write nonsense?
        2. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 18 December 2020 18: 37
          0
          This is still candy ... There are 3000 Amazon satellites ahead.
          They, however, will focus on tracking the delivery of goods.
          Amazon will become a global postal service.
          But these satellites will be equipped with compact centimeter AFARs.
          And they can track a lot of things ...
        3. donavi49
          donavi49 18 December 2020 19: 36
          +1
          OneWeb turn a blind eye to the launch price


          In general, I bought all the free carriers in due time. If the Virginies didn’t do it, then they had to launch the first one even before OneWeb went bankrupt, and this year 6 LauncherOne with OneWeb were to be withdrawn.

          On June 25, 2015 Virgin Galactic signed an agreement with OneWeb Ltd. for 39 launches of satellites of the OneWeb constellation with an option for an additional 100 launches.


          At the time of the counter - Launcher, she has not even passed the throws yet. That's how they wanted to be the first on the train with the internet cream. But it didn't work out.
      3. K-612-O
        K-612-O 18 December 2020 18: 12
        -4
        As it is, articles from FT and NYT were immediately sucked in the comments at the end of last and the beginning of this year what
      4. Aag
        Aag 18 December 2020 18: 54
        +2
        Quote: Cosm22
        Are you confusing anything?
        Who and when said that the contract with OneWeb went to Musk? It was only about the bankruptcy of the company, which was pulled out of the financial hole by the British and the Indians. And who now give to earn at least some pretty penny RK.
        Which is actually not entirely clear.
        To date, I have no data, but in February 2020 the situation looked like this.
        The launch price of Soyuz-STB (which flew to Soyuz-2.1b), according to RIA-Novosti, was about $ 48,5 million for 6 satellites. That is, about 8 million for 1 satellite.
        At the same time, at the beginning of 2018, Musk managed to reduce the launch price from $ 61,2 million to $ 42,8. Only by reusing the first stage, and the price will decrease in the future and by reducing the cost of insurance. According to Gwynne Shotwell, the price of one launch today under the Starlink program is in the range of 0,6-0,7 million dollars.
        And it is unlikely that the trend since February for the cost of launching the Alliances has changed. However, it is unlikely that we will be told anything about this at all.

        Can you explain: how is the payment (tax) calculated? For a satellite place, a meter, kilogram-kilometer? No mockery, tricks, - to understand the situation on the space delivery market ... (No, I don't want to run my mother-in-law or a cat.)))) At the same time, if possible, about insurance: who, how, on the basis of what criteria, it determines (otherwise, it may turn out as it was with sea transportation at one time, it is more profitable to drown a ship ...)
        1. Blackmokona
          Blackmokona 18 December 2020 21: 23
          -1
          For the rocket. And then you can find fellow travelers and share the launch price.
          Musk offers used, not used, with or without refund. Normal or Heavy.
      5. slipped
        slipped 18 December 2020 19: 22
        +2
        Quote: Cosm22
        And who now give to earn at least some pretty penny RK.


        Lover to lie once again. laughing A penny is earned not on launches, but on the provision of services from flying spacecraft. Launch services are a very small part of the revenue.

        Quote: Cosm22
        Soyuz-STB launch price (which flew up to Soyuz-2.1b)


        STB is a Soyuz-2.1b in a tropical version. laughing

        Quote: Cosm22
        according to RIA-Novosti it was about 48,5 million dollars for 6 satellites.


        6 of the first satellites - this was a test launch at Arianspace from Kuru. 68 satellites were launched from Baikonur, 34 satellites in a cluster. 36 satellites are currently being launched from Vostochny. The next launch of 36 satellites from Vostochny is in February.

        Quote: Cosm22
        At the same time, at the beginning of 2018, Musk managed to reduce the launch price from $ 61,2 million to $ 42,8.


        Soyuz-2.1b launches from Russian territory are sold as a package.

        Quote: Cosm22
        And it is unlikely that the trend since February for the cost of launching the Alliances has changed. However, it is unlikely that we will be told anything about this at all.


        What should I tell you? laughing That the contract for the Soyuz-2 launches has been almost fully paid by Arianspace?
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 18 December 2020 21: 17
          +3
          Finally, the opponent gathered his thoughts and at least gave birth to something, half a day later.
          1. A launch is not included in the list of services, are you a fan of our verbal demagoguery and verbiage? And since "Launch services are a very small part of revenue", please be kind enough to voice this part in numerical or percentage terms. With reference to a reliable source. So that I don't laugh much, looking at the night.
          2. I know. And what difference does that make? I just gave out extremely accurate information.
          3. I am not interested in what happened or what will happen next. I announced the data for February 2020. This is clearly stated in the commentary. What's not clear?
          4. This is Musk selling launches. Russia sells the product (in this case, the entire launch vehicle, which is why the price is high), because everything burns out irrevocably in the first flight.
          5. In my opinion, in Russian, not Chinese, I asked about the launch price of one satellite. Conditional, EU-but. But digital. This information came from Gwynne Shotville. Where is that of the RK? What is not clear again?
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            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 19 December 2020 00: 23
              +3
              1. I am a fairly successful freelancer and work on a computer. Can't you do that? I can’t help you who studied what.
              2. If this is called facts, then be so kind as to voice at least a couple of specific numbers.
              3. Rudeness speaks only about lack of culture, about the costs of education, or about complete powerlessness to refute anything with arguments. This is not the best human quality; you should not flaunt it.
              4. Ie if a person with his mind and efficiency, his talent to see a few steps ahead has created a team that has laid the entire RK on blades for several years and created magnificent new CCs and reusable cheap launch vehicles - is this now called dumping? It's funny. And who prevents the same Rogozin from dumping in the same way?
              5. If the price is cheap, voice it. Why be shy? Or is there something to be hushed up?
              6. With the latter, alas, I agree. Russia can really afford everything. Even to burn absolutely all launch vehicles in the first and last flight for them.
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    3. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 December 2020 18: 15
      +3
      Quote: K-612-O
      Since they are broadcasting to all of us, there is no cosmodrome, everything was stolen and everything fell apart! How so?

      National tradition sir. We can't help but scream that everything is lost.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 December 2020 16: 44
    -1
    And these small natives from the island then declare that Russia is lagging behind the West? Yes, hit the wall with a running start.
  5. Alexey Sommer
    Alexey Sommer 18 December 2020 16: 46
    -11%
    That's honest.
    It's the same if Israel launched Hezbollah satellites.
    And no mercantile interests justify it.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 December 2020 16: 59
      +1
      This justifies the pay for the launch.
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 18 December 2020 17: 03
      +7
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      That's honest.
      It's the same if Israel launched Hezbollah satellites.
      And no mercantile interests justify it.

      The satellites are not military, the customer is not the UK government.
      Some strange insults. Level "don't play with my toys, and don't pee in my pot".
      1. barclay
        barclay 18 December 2020 17: 25
        0
        So, just in case: nothing prevents the British government and its military department from concluding a contract with this office, you yourself understand why ...
        1. K-612-O
          K-612-O 18 December 2020 18: 14
          -2
          This is excuse the scoop and China is some sort of and not progressive humanity winked
    3. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 18 December 2020 17: 34
      -3
      besides the fact that ours made money on this, and even looked at the satellites themselves, not to mention the competence in creating such networks
    4. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 18 December 2020 18: 13
      +2
      Quote: Alexey Sommer
      the same would happen if Israel launched Hezbollah satellites.

      For (very good) money, Israel will launch for both Hamas and Hezbollah. fellow Moreover, it will launch without even having its own cosmodrome - the price of the issue will open any doors, even into space. wassat
  6. anjey
    anjey 18 December 2020 16: 50
    +2
    The most powerful and changeable ideology of our time is Salvage. As you will not remember the heroes-unmercenaries, who glorified their lives for the ideas of equality, brotherhood and prosperity of the next generations and the country, there was something sacred in this and the enemy was an enemy but each other in their minds. Now everything is creative, corruptible on a grand scale but small with a soul.
    1. RUSS
      RUSS 18 December 2020 17: 12
      +1
      Quote: anjey
      The most powerful and volatile ideology of our time is Salvage.

      Give up the American Internet, don't buy Western medicines, don't drive Western cars, don't watch American and Western films.
      1. anjey
        anjey 18 December 2020 17: 20
        +5
        It's just that we compensate any pressure from the West, creatively neutralizing it, by another deflection in their direction, maybe it's more constructive, but as history shows, they perceive it as a weakness ... Moreover, integration with the West is not expected in the near future laughing
        1. anjey
          anjey 18 December 2020 17: 30
          +5
          The Anglo-Saxon Russophobic vector is the most hostile in the world in relation to Russia, maybe this is a cunning move to destroy their political consolidation, I don't know laughing ..
          1. Kuz
            Kuz 18 December 2020 18: 23
            +16
            Quote: anjey
            maybe this is a clever move to destroy their political consolidation

            Yeah, drive a wedge ... And there is also such a thing: "If you fight with something, then it becomes stronger"
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 18 December 2020 18: 09
          -6
          Quote: anjey
          Moreover, integration with the West is not expected in the near future

          Well, who knows
          1. anjey
            anjey 18 December 2020 18: 51
            +2
            Humpback and Eltsin tried it, but it turned out as always, they took everything from us to the maximum and breadth of our soul, and instead destroyed the USSR, turning us into aborigines of a three-grade colony, they do not genetically perceive us as equals, maybe this is their complex, since they understand that we are they are higher in everything. laughing
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 18 December 2020 19: 43
              -4
              Quote: anjey
              Humpback and Eltsin tried it, but it worked out as always, they took everything from us to the maximum and the breadth of our soul, and in return they destroyed the USSR,

              Who collapsed the USSR?
              1. anjey
                anjey 18 December 2020 21: 21
                +2
                With the filing and support of the West, our corrupt political-nationalist functionaries from the government-bureaucratic elite ...
    2. kit88
      kit88 18 December 2020 17: 28
      +13
      This is the world.
      We answer two questions for ourselves:
      1. Will it harm security?
      2. Is it profitable from a commercial point of view?
      If there is no harm and profitable, you can (should) do it safely.
      By the way, this is exactly how our potential partners act, imposing sanctions on SP-2, but at the same time they fly on our Unions, use our engines for missiles, buy our titanium ...
    3. K-612-O
      K-612-O 18 December 2020 18: 16
      0
      Well, do not forget to go to China and look at their ideology, especially in the lower and middle class. Leave the dense populism far away in the closet
  7. Eldorado
    Eldorado 18 December 2020 17: 11
    +4
    Not in the subject, but at the "Admiralty Shipyards" they launched the unique Arctic platform "North Pole"!
  8. nobody75
    nobody75 18 December 2020 17: 16
    +3
    When will the domestic data transmission and geolocation network based on low-bitrate satellites - routers operating on the IP V6 protocol appear? How long will we work as cabbies?
    Sincerely
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 17: 41
      -2
      Quote: nobody75
      When will the domestic data transmission and geolocation network based on low-bitrate satellites - routers operating on the IP V6 protocol appear? How long will we work as cabbies?
      Sincerely

      As Putin said yesterday, God forbid, as they say, next year to connect all schools in our country to high-speed Internet ... hi Then, you look, and a century will not pass - and we will launch IP V6 repeat

      ... And the fact that for the disruption of the program of connecting all schools in the country to the Internet by 2020 (there was such a program at the state level) - he did not say ... he did not report to us yesterday, who was imprisoned and how much ... for theft )))
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 18 December 2020 17: 46
        +2
        I don’t understand ... Do we have schools in our country that are not connected to fiber? And how do they then work with an electronic journal, with sick leave, with accounting reports?
        Sincerely
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 18: 00
          -3
          Quote: nobody75
          I don’t understand ... Do we have schools in our country that are not connected to fiber? And how do they then work with an electronic journal, with sick leave, with accounting reports?
          Sincerely

          ))) What fiber ?! What are you about?! laughing 2020 - 100 km from Moscow - a town with 100+ thousand residents, the school is connected via a copper wire ... however, it gives out its honest 10 megabits / s, I will not lie)))

          By the way, you may not believe me - but believe Putin, he broadcast to the whole world yesterday and swore on oath that next year all schools will be connected to the Internet)))
          1. nobody75
            nobody75 18 December 2020 18: 11
            +1
            It is clear that over Gigabit Ethernet through a managed switch or media converter. The school router directly to the optics (I usually put a microt or software on bsd or debian. For small schools, the SME server is not bad - an analogue of ms small bisness server. Everything in one squid + Openldap + iptables plus postman ftp and vpn) will not be allowed, but 10 megabits for the whole school ?! I have 10 times more at home now ...
            Sincerely
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 18: 15
              -1
              Quote: nobody75
              It is clear that over Gigabit Ethernet through a managed switch or media converter. The school router directly to the optics (I usually put a microt or software on bsd or debian. For small schools, the SME server is not bad - an analogue of ms small bisness server. Everything in one squid + Openldap + iptables plus postman ftp and vpn) will not be allowed, but 10 megabits for the whole school ?! I have 10 times more at home now ...
              Sincerely

              In this particular school, we, the parents, acted even easier))) In parallel, we installed (at our personal, parental expense) a router from Megafon - 100 megabytes / s at the peak gives out unlimited - and we broadcast for the whole school - only 2000 rubles. the whole thing costs us a month)))
              1. nobody75
                nobody75 18 December 2020 18: 20
                +1
                Have you stuck an ordinary router? And proxy traffic through dansguardian? Protect children from information of extreme and pornographic content? Oh, they'll put your school director in prison ... Have you even set up a network for vlan and profiled traffic, I hope?
                Sincerely
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 18: 34
                  -1
                  Quote: nobody75
                  Have you stuck an ordinary router? And proxy traffic through dansguardian? Protect children from information of extreme and pornographic content? Oh, they'll put your school director in prison ... Have you even set up a network for vlan and profiled traffic, I hope?
                  Sincerely

                  As I understand it, you understand what it is about - but I will write it in simple Russian so that everyone would understand! drinks (I, for example, in jewelry (for example - noob full laughing ))

                  There is a device - it is controlled by representatives of the Ministry of Education - he is just doing all such tricky things))) at the entrance he had a copper pair with incoming traffic of 10 mgb / s ... we inserted an intermediate link - a router from a megaphone - and now 100 mb / sec - incoming traffic, and how and who controls it is no longer our concern repeat
              2. ZAV69
                ZAV69 18 December 2020 19: 03
                -1
                Quote: Corona without virus

                In this particular school, we, parents, acted even easier))) In parallel, we installed (at our personal, parental expense)

                You. And the director. The check will come and that's all .... He will fly out of work, and the prosecutor's office will wind the veins on a mop.
                1. Virus-free crown
                  Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 19: 12
                  -2
                  Quote: ZAV69
                  Quote: Corona without virus

                  In this particular school, we, parents, acted even easier))) In parallel, we installed (at our personal, parental expense)

                  You. And the director. The check will come and that's all .... He will fly out of work, and the prosecutor's office will wind the veins on a mop.

                  Nothing will happen to us - neither to the school director, nor to us, the parents))) I wrote - they connected it in PARALLEL;) before the ENTRANCE to the device, which is controlled by the Ministry of Education))) that the cord from the copperhead is stuck in the wrong place in the router - anything can happen))) and traffic, as the minobraz controls, so does it, all sorts of gateways / anti-gateways are his concern drinks

                  and so we live in Russia ... in the Constitutional State - we are a social state:

                  Article 7

                  1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of a person.


                  but in practice ... crying ... but in practice, parents must twist themselves so as not to violate the Laws, so that their children would receive "the benefits of civilization" am
                  1. nobody75
                    nobody75 18 December 2020 20: 27
                    0
                    Did you do that?

                    Sincerely
                    1. Virus-free crown
                      Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 20: 35
                      0
                      Quote: nobody75
                      Did you do that?

                      Sincerely

                      Yes, so)) almost so ... winked only on the left you have an internal grid in the picture ... and we have a 10 mb input included in the WRONG socket to the school router;) the school router itself filters traffic further, etc., etc.)) and further on the picture you need 192.168 on the right *. *. )))
                      1. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 December 2020 20: 54
                        -1
                        All your traffic goes to Megaphone ... And it is not filtered ... Since the entire system does not enter the internal network ... Or the speed of 10 Mbit would be
                        Sincerely
                      2. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 20: 58
                        0
                        Quote: nobody75
                        All your traffic goes to Megaphone ... And it is not filtered ... Since the entire system does not enter the internal network ... Or the speed of 10 Mbit would be
                        Sincerely

                        okay one more time drinks
                        1. Traffic from Megafon goes directly to the school router, and then the school router itself filters and distributes, etc., etc.
                        2. The OFFICIAL Internet input is plugged into the wrong slot (internal) on the school router - so the official Internet is FORMALLY plugged into the wrong slot;)

                        So wrote it more clearly? ))) drinks
                      3. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 02
                        0
                        The fact of the matter is that the school router itself does not filter anything! he stupidly pulls on 10. *. *. *. And all filtering is carried out already within this network - on the servers. You bypassed this network, otherwise you would have a speed of 10 Mbps for any.
                        Sincerely
                      4. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 21: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: nobody75
                        The fact of the matter is that the school router itself does not filter anything! he stupidly pulls on 10. *. *. *. And all filtering is carried out already within this network - on the servers. You bypassed this network, otherwise you would have a speed of 10 Mbps for any.
                        Sincerely

                        yy)))))))))) The school router at the entrance has an input port of 10/100 mb - it detects automatically ... a 10 mb copper pair was connected to it - we pushed it out, and shoved 100 mb from the megaphone router. .. the school router then by itself did it and does it - it just has 100 mgb instead of 10))))))))
                      5. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 16
                        0
                        Yes, it's not about which port you plugged in and how much Mbit is raised, you route the route to ya.ru or topwar.ru and you will see that all traffic goes through a megaphone. Therefore, the joy of speed!
                        Better yet, go to some bad site from home and see if you can go to it from school. An alternative can only be routing rules for different subnets. For example, children from a class of 10 Mbps enter the network, and the administration of 100.
                        Sincerely
                      6. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 21: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Yes, it's not about which port you plugged in and how much Mbit is raised, you route the route to ya.ru or topwar.ru and you will see that all traffic goes through a megaphone. Therefore, the joy of speed!
                        Better yet, go to some bad site from home and see if you can go to it from school. An alternative can only be routing rules for different subnets. For example, children from a class of 10 Mbps enter the network, and the administration of 100.
                        Sincerely

                        The Ministry of Education is responsible for the school router, we do not need to contact it !!! )) what he filters there and how - we do not know - we just feed 100 mgb to the input - and they are real, these 100
                      7. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 21
                        0
                        Of course real ... As well as the deadline for your headmaster ...
                        Sincerely
                      8. Virus-free crown
                        Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 21: 25
                        0
                        Quote: nobody75
                        Of course real ... As well as the deadline for your headmaster ...
                        Sincerely

                        Well then ... let's sit all:



                        laughing laughing laughing starting with the deputy prosecutor of the city ... he sanctioned the whole thing))))))))), you know, he also wants his son to receive knowledge at school))
                      9. nobody75
                        nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 26
                        0
                        He's not an expert on networks - he hasn't entered the topic ...
                        Sincerely
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 18 December 2020 19: 01
    0
    Quote: nobody75
    It is clear that over Gigabit Ethernet through a managed switch or media converter. The school router directly to the optics (I usually put a microt or software on bsd or debian. For small schools, the SME server is not bad - an analogue of ms small bisness server. Everything in one squid + Openldap + iptables plus postman ftp and vpn) will not be allowed, but 10 megabits for the whole school ?!

    There is a huawei 2326 switch, behind it is a zuxel giga II router. Class B network with more than 500 addresses. He drives this GAO CIT. Access through certificates. And the speed of everything was clamped at 10, right now it seemed to be opened at 50.
    It was a federal program. EIKS is called. Right now, another one has passed, for those who did not get into the first one. SZO is called.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 18 December 2020 18: 54
    +2
    Quote: Corona without virus
    ))) What fiber ?! What are you about?! laughing 2020 - 100 km from Moscow - a town with 100+ thousand residents, the school is connected via a copper wire ... however, it gives out its honest 10 megabits / s, I won't lie)))

    180 km from Moscow. All rural schools in the district are on fiber, all kindergartens are also. All libraries and clubs. I'm not even talking about city people. So excuse me, I do not believe that your school lives on copper. What is squeezed in the billing is the greed of your education committee.
    1. Virus-free crown
      Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 19: 03
      -2
      Quote: ZAV69
      Quote: Corona without virus
      ))) What fiber ?! What are you about?! laughing 2020 - 100 km from Moscow - a town with 100+ thousand residents, the school is connected via a copper wire ... however, it gives out its honest 10 megabits / s, I won't lie)))

      180 km from Moscow. All rural schools in the district are on fiber, all kindergartens are also. All libraries and clubs. I'm not even talking about city people. So excuse me, I do not believe that your school lives on copper. What is squeezed in the billing is the greed of your education committee.

      And we, parents, are fools? laughing And from our own funds, every year on the 15th of September, a year in advance, we throw off on the school Internet ?! wassat
      1. ZAV69
        ZAV69 18 December 2020 19: 31
        0
        Quote: Corona without virus
        And we, parents, are fools? laughing And from our own funds, every year on the 15th of September for the year ahead we throw off on the school Internet ?!

        When your smart-ass director is pulled by the bells to the prosecutor's office, he will thank you, tk. it is not for nothing that a transparent network is made and it is not for nothing that the filtration system is worth it. Of course, you will stir up the petition for change org, throw shit on the fan on all social networks, you will not help him with the current. You'd better take off your router, until the gloomy guys in suits and ties arrived and took it off, together with the director. After all, there are statistics, they are analyzed
        1. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 19: 36
          -2
          Quote: ZAV69
          Quote: Corona without virus
          And we, parents, are fools? laughing And from our own funds, every year on the 15th of September for the year ahead we throw off on the school Internet ?!

          When your smart-ass director is pulled by the bells to the prosecutor's office, he will thank you, tk. it is not for nothing that a transparent network is made and it is not for nothing that the filtration system is worth it. Of course, you will stir up the petition for change org, throw shit on the fan on all social networks, you will not help him with the current. You'd better take off your router, until the gloomy guys in suits and ties arrived and took it off, together with the director. After all, there are statistics, they are analyzed

          Well, if "dancing from the stove" ...))) then the "smart ones" are us, parents ... soldier Who in 2016 were outraged that the school was sitting at 10 mgb / sec ... and we received a notification from the Ministry of Education "there is no money - but you are holding on" (c) Medvedev am Well, we decided in our own way ... within the framework of the Law good tongue
        2. Virus-free crown
          Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 19: 45
          -4
          Quote: ZAV69
          Quote: Corona without virus
          And we, parents, are fools? laughing And from our own funds, every year on the 15th of September for the year ahead we throw off on the school Internet ?!

          When your smart-ass director is pulled by the bells to the prosecutor's office, he will thank you, tk. it is not for nothing that a transparent network is made and it is not for nothing that the filtration system is worth it. Of course, you will stir up the petition for change org, throw shit on the fan on all social networks, you will not help him with the current. You'd better take off your router, until the gloomy guys in suits and ties arrived and took it off, together with the director. After all, there are statistics, they are analyzed

          But !!! ... I yesterday PERSONALLY heard Putin promise to connect our school to the Internet next year wassat You look ... as they say ... not even 3 years will pass ... and finally our school, 100 km from Moscow, will be connected))) I would like to believe ... repeat
          1. ZAV69
            ZAV69 18 December 2020 20: 13
            +1
            Quote: Corona without virus
            But !!! ... I heard yesterday PERSONALLY how Putin promised next year to connect our school to the Internet wassat You look ... as they say ... not even 3 years will pass ... and finally our school, in 100 km from Moscow, connect))) I would like to believe ...

            Is it yours? in 2015-2016, the Rostelecom Center macro-branch had the EIKS program, schools, clubs, libraries, rural administrations were connected. Almost everything was connected. Last year, the SZO program began, they connected what remained unconnected: fire departments, faps, administrations. This is about optics.
            In general, the program for connecting schools to the Internet has been operating since 2004. True, they gave only 128-256 kilobits, inter-office lines did not allow anymore, everywhere in the village there was a copper network IKM 15, IKM 30. And then, they managed to gnaw out timeslots and sent them to schools via shdsl. I still have this equipment lying around in my warehouse. Then we switched to adsl. This network has long lived.
            1. Virus-free crown
              Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 20: 20
              -3
              Quote: ZAV69
              Quote: Corona without virus
              But !!! ... I heard yesterday PERSONALLY how Putin promised next year to connect our school to the Internet wassat You look ... as they say ... not even 3 years will pass ... and finally our school, in 100 km from Moscow, connect))) I would like to believe ...

              Is it yours? in 2015-2016, the Rostelecom Center macro-branch had the EIKS program, schools, clubs, libraries, rural administrations were connected. Almost everything was connected. Last year, the SZO program began, they connected what remained unconnected: fire departments, faps, administrations. This is about optics.
              In general, the program for connecting schools to the Internet has been operating since 2004. True, they gave only 128-256 kilobits, inter-office lines did not allow anymore, everywhere in the village there was a copper network IKM 15, IKM 30. And then, they managed to gnaw out timeslots and sent them to schools via shdsl. I still have this equipment lying around in my warehouse. Then we switched to adsl. This network has long lived.

              Putin said yesterday - EVERYTHING !!! schools will be connected to high-speed internet in 2021 good

              and ... I really hope that 10 mb / s is NOT a high-speed Internet))))))) well, at least 1 gigabit ... repeat the funniest thing is that optical fiber passes under the school))) there is a sewer well on the school grounds - there periodically appear "specially trained people" to prevent equipment ... but that's what kind of garbage ... there is fiber ... a stone's throw ... but the state does not have money to connect the school to the Internet ...)))
              1. ZAV69
                ZAV69 18 December 2020 20: 29
                +2
                Quote: Corona without virus
                and ... I really hope that 10 mb / s is NOT a high-speed Internet))))))) well, at least 1 gigabit ... feel the most joke - the optical fiber passes under the school))) on the school grounds there is a sewer well - there periodically appear "specially trained people" for the prevention of equipment ... but that's what kind of garbage ... there is optical fiber ... close at hand ... and the state does not have money to connect the school to the Internet ...)) )

                You have fiber optic in your school. It's just that the billing rate is limited. And there is no equipment in the well, maximum is a coupling.
              2. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 20: 41
                -2
                Quote: ZAV69
                Quote: Corona without virus
                and ... I really hope that 10 mb / s is NOT a high-speed Internet))))))) well, at least 1 gigabit ... feel the most joke - the optical fiber passes under the school))) on the school grounds there is a sewer well - there periodically appear "specially trained people" for the prevention of equipment ... but that's what kind of garbage ... there is optical fiber ... close at hand ... and the state does not have money to connect the school to the Internet ...)) )

                You have fiber optic in your school. It's just that the billing rate is limited. And there is no equipment in the well, maximum is a coupling.

                No no no!!! There is no filament at school! laughing Copper pair - we have a parent who personally dragged this cable in. FIG knows how many years ago wassat In the well there is such a device, such as your coupling, to which you can connect once or twice)) and there are sensors to which "specially trained people" are connected with special devices to check the quality of the connection ... there is more than one fiber goes, and a whole bunch of fibers ... and when, where, if, when a failure occurs in the city - an emergency team leaves and checks on which section where what could happen))
              3. ZAV69
                ZAV69 18 December 2020 21: 09
                +2
                Quote: Corona without virus
                No no no!!! There is no filament at school!

                Is there no fiber in a city school in the Moscow region? I won't believe in life !!! Do we, in Tulskaya, do you have one? And this is in the Moscow region where adsl in full on gpon change? I do not believe!!!! The EIKS program was in the entire central branch, they were building everywhere. Yes, and Megaphone also built something.
                There are no sensors in the optical coupling and cannot be. There may only be a socket, the reflectometer is connected to it, if you need to measure, this is sometimes done, I have seen such a perversion only once, it is easier to measure from the node.
              4. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 21: 16
                -2
                Quote: ZAV69
                Quote: Corona without virus
                No no no!!! There is no filament at school!

                Is there no fiber in a city school in the Moscow region? I won't believe in life !!! Do we, in Tulskaya, do you have one? And this is in the Moscow region where adsl in full on gpon change? I do not believe!!!! The EIKS program was in the entire central branch, they were building everywhere. Yes, and Megaphone also built something.
                There are no sensors in the optical coupling and cannot be. There may only be a socket, the reflectometer is connected to it, if you need to measure, this is sometimes done, I have seen such a perversion only once, it is easier to measure from the node.

                Sometimes it seems to me that I live in REAL Russia, and many here already live in "Russia of the future" (c) Navalny laughing laughing laughing
                50 km from Moscow ... where I live right now - a village for 2000+ residents ... I'm connected and now I'm sitting on a regular copper pair for 100 mb am the provider about the fiber optic in our village is optimistic that "as soon as possible" wassat Nuuu ... maybe the great-grandchildren will wait)))))))))))))))))))))))))) and so the megaphone gives almost the same 100)) by air
              5. nobody75
                nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 24
                +1
                Your "normal" copper pair is on the fiber and out. There, the segment length is limited to 100 m.
                It won't even reach Moscow.
                Sincerely
              6. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 21: 28
                -2
                Quote: nobody75
                Your "normal" copper pair is on the fiber and out. There, the segment length is limited to 100 m.
                It won't even reach Moscow.
                Sincerely

                My "usual" copper pair goes to the central tower in our village, from which it receives an Internet by air - if it is completely on the fingers))) well, we do not have optical fiber, no)))
              7. nobody75
                nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 29
                +3
                Do you have a radio relay? And how did you get the frequencies?
                Sincerely
              8. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 21: 31
                -1
                Quote: nobody75
                Do you have a radio relay? And how did you get the frequencies?
                Sincerely

                I don’t know what we have, but a grid of such transmitters covers our entire area)) they have been standing for a long time, about 10+ years already) there used to be adsl
              9. nobody75
                nobody75 18 December 2020 21: 33
                0
                And who is the provider? Does he have a license and SORM?
                Sincerely
              10. ZAV69
                ZAV69 18 December 2020 22: 01
                +1
                And without SORM, who will give them a license? Everything is written in the law on communications
              11. nobody75
                nobody75 18 December 2020 22: 03
                +1
                So they could muddle the house network, as in the early 2000s. I'm more interested - they have radio relays or wifi ...
                With respect.
              12. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 22: 32
                -2
                they have a network of wi-fi transmitters, they have a license, of course)) they covered the entire area with their wifi ... an alternative in our village is adsl from mgts and beeline, mts and megaphone ... oh yes ... there is also satellite communication ))) and that's it !!! am and you are fiber, koloknoooo ... all over Russia ... laughing
              13. ZAV69
                ZAV69 18 December 2020 23: 09
                +1
                At MGTS, the fiber just reaches you. And the fact that while you have them on adsl work .... Now the process of transition from adsl to gpon has begun. In our district this year we have built 4 new networks of adsl, in the region in each district there are also dofiga, next year plans to build twice as much, so in the next year or two you will have a gpon.
              14. nobody75
                nobody75 18 December 2020 23: 12
                0
                Excuse me, but what is your provider's network connected to? To fiber, of course ... So it reaches your village.
                And those figures who covered the entire area with wifi ... Do you go to the Internet through your home router?
                arp -a what shows?
                Sincerely
              15. Virus-free crown
                Virus-free crown 18 December 2020 23: 20
                0
                Quote: nobody75
                Excuse me, but what is your provider's network connected to? To fiber, of course ... So it reaches your village.
                And those figures who covered the entire area with wifi ... Do you go to the Internet through your home router?
                arp -a what shows?
                Sincerely

                My provider is of course physically connected to the fiber, I admit it good
                Only from the office of my provider to my village 25 km in a straight line - and on the way to me there is their network of wi-fi transmitters - physically, there is no optical fiber, in principle !!! as there is no physical fiber at MGTS, which distributes the Internet in our village by adsl !!! am simply no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ))))))) I checked everything 100500 times !!!!!!!! I would sit at 100 mb if I had fiber))))

                for this I say goodbye to argue in this thread))) my Russia - only 50 km from Moscow - is very different from the rest of Russia, where "gardens bloom on Mars" wassat tongue you all have "small" - and here we have "empty cabbage soup")))))))
            2. nobody75
              nobody75 18 December 2020 23: 18
              0
              alternative in our village - adsl from mgts

              adsl is the last mile of telephone noodles. There is another network between the automatic telephone exchange. And in Sochi, all the buildings of the automatic telephone exchange for shops and hostels have long been allowed ...
              Sincerely
            3. slipped
              slipped 19 December 2020 02: 49
              +2
              Quote: nobody75
              And in Sochi, all the buildings of the automatic telephone exchange for shops and hostels have long been allowed ...
              Sincerely


              And Beeline 100 Mbit / s fiber at the "Home Internet" tariff without TV costs 400 rubles a month. laughing Pennies.
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 18 December 2020 22: 22
    -2
    Be patient, 5G will appear in your village soon.
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 18 December 2020 23: 12
    +1
    Quote: Vadim237
    Be patient, 5G will appear in your village soon.

    Firstly, the frequencies for 5G have not yet been fully divided, and secondly, it is necessary to build several times more base stations for it. So in the next 5 years, 5G will appear in Moscow, Novosibirsk, Nizhny and St. Petersburg, and even that is not a fact. Elsewhere it won't pay off
  • svp67
    svp67 18 December 2020 17: 17
    +1
    The Russian Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle was launched from the Vostochny cosmodrome. As reported on the Roscosmos website, the rocket will launch 36 communication satellites of the British company OneWeb into orbit
    Well, at least DECEMBER seems to have REMOVED.
    And who in the know "OntWeb" seems to have ceased to exist, what has changed recently?
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 18 December 2020 17: 34
      -1
      there were legal dances with tambourines
    2. Tsoy
      Tsoy 18 December 2020 17: 38
      0
      And who in the know "OntWeb" seems to have ceased to exist, what has changed recently?


      The owners have changed. Britain bought the assets. It is not yet clear with what prospects. Musk will soon have 1000 devices, these have not reached a hundred.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 18 December 2020 19: 30
      +1
      Money was poured into it. But the cream train had already left. However, it is better to raise the second internet grid than to be 3-4. And 3-4 are already sawing their systems. wink With such thoughts, OneWeb poured one and a half lard of currency to revive the project and deploy 1 wave of devices.
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  • Tagan
    Tagan 18 December 2020 18: 10
    +1
    Quote: Crown without virus
    Quote: nobody75
    When will the domestic data transmission and geolocation network based on low-bitrate satellites - routers operating on the IP V6 protocol appear? How long will we work as cabbies?
    Sincerely

    As Putin said yesterday, God forbid, as they say, next year to connect all schools in our country to high-speed Internet ... hi Then, you look, and a century will not pass - and we will launch IP V6 repeat

    ... And the fact that for the disruption of the program of connecting all schools in the country to the Internet by 2020 (there was such a program at the state level) - he did not say ... he did not report to us yesterday, who was imprisoned and how much ... for theft )))

    Mattresses with internet are no better. Well, we are no worse than the rest, if what.
    And what about the schools? Didn't connect, like?
  • megadeth
    megadeth 18 December 2020 19: 05
    +1
    It pleases, but this is routine, but the news is so news: - "TNT announced the closure of the reality show" Dom-2 ""
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 December 2020 22: 23
      -1
      Looks like Putin saw and was in a hurry to find his "heroes"
  • slipped
    slipped 18 December 2020 19: 40
    +4
    The separation of 24 out of 36 satellites has been officially confirmed. "Fregat" continues its work.

    Energomash today conducted the first full-size fire test of the world's most powerful liquid-propellant rocket engine, the RD-171MV. All parameters are normal.



    The engine will be used on the latest Soyuz-5 launch vehicle.
  • slipped
    slipped 18 December 2020 20: 12
    +2
    In general, all 36 were brought out, well, and a photo of the launch of the Indian-British satellites:



    And soon Russia will have another launch from Kuru.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 18 December 2020 20: 14
    0
    Fine! Just like the good old days.
    1. Perseverance
      Perseverance 18 December 2020 20: 43
      -1
      as in the good old days now SpaecX they alone launched more than the Russian Federation
      1. slipped
        slipped 18 December 2020 21: 14
        +2
        Quote: Perseverance
        as in the good old days now SpaecX they alone launched more than the Russian Federation


        Russia already has 16 successful launches this year, not 14 as in your picture.

        This year, more than 10 launches in Russia were tied together with Arianspace, which closed its cosmodrome for six months and suspended work on a joint payload. All of these launches were postponed to 2021 and 2022.
        1. Perseverance
          Perseverance 18 December 2020 21: 44
          -2
          Quote: slipped
          Russia already has 16 successful launches this year, not 14 as in your picture.

          Wow.
          As many as 16 ... laughing while SpaceX has 24.
          Then you need to add 7 Rocket Labs to the USA, since the production and office are located in the USA.
          This is what the Japanese brought.

          Can you without demagogues и huge without plans the same cargo for last 20 years show.
          Again huge without plans wink
          1. slipped
            slipped 18 December 2020 21: 54
            +4
            Quote: Perseverance

            Wow.
            As many as 16 ... laughing while SpaceX has 24.


            Yes, fuck. lol They are in the process of deploying a grouping of the same type of Starlink vehicles.

            As soon as the deployment of the Sphere grouping begins, and the preparation process for this is now underway, we will also have an increase in the number of launches.

            Quote: Perseverance
            Then you need to add 7 Rocket Lab to the USA, since the derivative and office are located in the USA.


            Yes, no difference. Our cluster launches of small spacecraft and cubesats are carried out at Soyuz as a passing load.

            Quote: Perseverance
            This is what the Japanese brought.


            And here is what the Russian astrophysical observatory Spektr-RG has recently transmitted by scanning the entire sky for the second time:



            Among the sources recorded by the ART-XC telescope, several dozen previously unknown objects in the Galaxy and beyond were discovered, including supermassive black holes surrounded by a layer of cold gas and invisible in soft X-rays.

            As expected, the total number of X-ray sources on the summary map has almost doubled, to about 1000.
            1. Perseverance
              Perseverance 18 December 2020 22: 10
              -1
              Quote: Perseverance
              You will be able, without demagogues and without plans, a bulk of the same load

              poorly understood. I will try again
              "You will be able, without demagogues and without plans, a huge the same cargo over the last 20 years to show.
              Once again, without plans, a huge "
              Quote: slipped
              As soon as the deployment of the Sphere grouping begins, and the preparation process for this is now underway, we will also have an increase in the number of launches.

              As always, there are a lot of plans laughing laughing
              And here is what others make huge without plans
              1. slipped
                slipped 18 December 2020 22: 59
                +2
                Quote: Perseverance
                poorly understood. I will try again
                "You will be able, without demagogues and without plans, a huge the same cargo over the last 20 years to show.


                Immediate plans for the delivery of anything is the delivery of lunar soil in cryogenic form from the South Pole of the Moon by the Luna-28 station, as part of the Russian Lunar program, which is scheduled to launch in 2027.

                Quote: Perseverance
                And here is what others make huge without plans


                And here is what Russia has done in a year "without plans of a huge". laughing Successfully launched:

                104 foreign commercial spacecraft communications OneWeb.



                1 foreign commercial remote sensing satellite.



                15 foreign small spacecraft as a passing load.



                3 domestic medium-sized communication satellites on MTR and GSO.



                2 domestic navigation satellite, including a new satellite of the new series "K".



                6 domestic low-orbit communication satellites.
                2 transport manned spacecraft.
                2 transport and cargo spacecraft.
                2 special military spacecraft, including the latest experimental spacecraft.
                4 domestic small spacecraft as a passing load.

                In addition, the second successful launch of the newest Russian heavy missile "Angara-A5"

                And that's not all the launches. laughing
            2. Perseverance
              Perseverance 19 December 2020 00: 46
              -2
              Quote: slipped
              Immediate plans for the delivery of anything is the delivery of lunar soil in cryogenic form from the South Pole of the Moon by the Luna-28 station, as part of the Russian Lunar program, which is scheduled to launch in 2027.

              Still weak laughing laughing
              There was such a simple request.
              "" You can without demagogues and without plans a huge same cargo behind last 20 years show.
              Once again, without plans, a huge "
              Can you do it? laughing
              Quote: slipped
              And here is what Russia has done in a year "without plans of a huge". Successfully launched:

              only??? Regular launches and only 14 per year
              This is what Mars-2020 Persevirens was launched to other planets
              104 satellites are weak ... Spaecx over 800 satellites per year.

              Just don’t talk about huge plans again.
              Quote: slipped
              3 domestic medium communication satellites in the MTR and GSO.

              GSO
              Payload - manufactured by Thales Alenia Space Italy laughing laughing

              Quote: slipped
              In addition, the second successful launch of the newest Russian heavy missile "Angara-A5"

              second in 6 years laughing laughing and even though these are plans for a whopping 4 in the following year tongue ? One SpaecX 24 Falcona launched in a year laughing
              Yes, it looks quite miserable
              1. slipped
                slipped 19 December 2020 02: 18
                +2
                Quote: Perseverance
                Still weak laughing laughing
                There was such a simple request.


                Yah. laughing We did not have, except for AMS "Phobos-Grunt" programs for the delivery of anything in these 20 years. As you know, "FG" never entered the departure trajectory, due to a design error in the control system of the accelerating stage. Prior to this launch, the Mars-Express and Venera-Express interplanetary launches had successfully used the standard Fregat RB. The stations reached their planets and performed their planned exploration. By the way, in our new lunar ships, the program of which will start very soon, the usual "Frigate" is also used.

                Quote: Perseverance
                Can you do it? laughing


                Once again, we do not have delivery of anything until 2027. Everything will be investigated locally.

                Quote: Perseverance
                only??? Regular launches and only 14 per year


                16 launches and there will be 17 more. You are blind, since you do not see new cosmic systems. laughing

                But the Americans see that they already started hysterical about the reproduction of our satellites in orbit by budding. laughing

                Quote: Perseverance
                This is what Mars-2020 Persevirens was launched to other planets


                And we have the DM "Kazachok" ready. As soon as ESA pulls up with its contribution, ExoMars-2022 will be launched.

                Quote: Perseverance
                104 satellites are weak ... Spaecx over 800 satellites per year.


                So we are not the manufacturers of these devices. We launch them for money. If the customer did not deliver them to us for six months, what have we to do with it? laughing

                Quote: Perseverance
                Payload - manufactured by Thales Alenia Space Italy


                I haven't heard of international cooperation ... lol

                Quote: Perseverance
                second in 6 years


                Creation of a new production of missiles. The next two in six months.

                Quote: Perseverance
                Yes, it looks quite miserable


                Remove the pan. laughing You can't see anything behind her. Probably another freelancer too. lol
                1. Perseverance
                  Perseverance 19 December 2020 11: 41
                  -1
                  Quote: slipped
                  We had no other than

                  Quote: slipped
                  Once again - we have no delivery

                  it was not difficult.
                  Maybe then you can call Roscosmos apartment который made in Russia in 20 years that flew to Saturn?
                  "" You will be able to show a huge amount over the last 20 years without demagogues and without plans.
                  Once again, without plans, a huge "

                  Just the name and when it was launched

                  Quote: slipped
                  And we have the DM "Kazachok" ready. As soon as ESA pulls up with its contribution -

                  and again there are a lot of plans laughing laughing What is physically impossible without this? lol

                  Quote: slipped
                  So we are not the manufacturers of these devices. We launch them for money. If the customer did not deliver them to us for six months, what have we to do with it?

                  Quote: slipped
                  I haven't heard of international cooperation ...

                  well, because we cannot produce our own in such quantities. So we have to buy from Thales Alenia Space Italy, and now they no longer have "domestic medium-sized GSO communications satellite"

                  Quote: slipped
                  Creation of a new production of missiles. The next two in six months.

                  2 ... yes, pathetic. two launches in six months.
                  1. slipped
                    slipped 19 December 2020 16: 36
                    0
                    Quote: Perseverance
                    [Maybe then you can name Roscosmos apartment который made in Russia in 20 years that flew to Saturn?


                    We do not have a device that should fly to Saturn.

                    We already have a TEM design model. Which in its flight version will take the spacecraft to the moons of Jupiter.

                    Quote: Perseverance
                    Quote: slipped
                    And we have the DM "Kazachok" ready. As soon as ESA pulls up with its contribution -


                    and again there are a lot of plans laughing laughing What is physically impossible without this? lol


                    A, clear. Are you sick. laughing

                    Quote: Perseverance
                    well, because we cannot produce our own in such quantities. So I have to buy from Thales Alenia Space Italy,


                    We can and do. But mutually beneficial cooperation has been established for a long time.

                    Quote: Perseverance
                    and now they are no longer "domestic medium communications satellite GSO"


                    Is. laughing

                    Quote: Perseverance
                    2 ... yes, pathetic. two launches in six months.


                    Uti ways. laughing The tests are underway.
                    1. Perseverance
                      Perseverance 19 December 2020 19: 33
                      -1
                      Quote: slipped
                      We do not have a device that should fly to Saturn.

                      Well then, maybe there is a device that flew Ceres?
                      ""You will be able to show a huge amount over the past 20 years without demagogues and without plans.
                      Once again, without plans, a huge "
                      Just the name and when it was launched

                      Quote: slipped
                      We already have a TEM design model. Which in its flight version will take the spacecraft to the moons of Jupiter.

                      wassat again a lot of plans? without it at all?
                      Quote: slipped
                      Ooty paths. The tests are underway.

                      laughing During this time, Falpcon has already completed 100+ launches. poor at Angara with launches
                      Quote: slipped
                      Is.

                      laughing
                      1. slipped
                        slipped 19 December 2020 19: 38
                        0
                        Quote: Perseverance
                        ""You will be able to show a huge amount over the past 20 years without demagogues and without plans.
                        Once again, without plans, a huge "


                        Can you show, for example, NOT OUR orbital interferometer with a very long baseline? laughing

                        You can not? why so. laughing
                      2. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 19 December 2020 19: 51
                        0
                        Quote: slipped

                        Can you show, for example, NOT OUR orbital interferometer with a very long baseline?


                        There was HALCA.
                        With the help of HALCA, a virtual radio telescope with an aperture of 30 km was created.
                        But Roskosmos has looked very weak for 20 years.
                        Or maybe Roskosmos was able to fly to Titan and land a probe?
                        "" You will be able to show a huge amount over the last 20 years without demagogues and without plans.
                        Once again, without plans, a huge
                        "
                        Simple name and when it was launched
                      3. slipped
                        slipped 19 December 2020 20: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Perseverance

                        There was HALCA.
                        With the help of HALCA, a virtual radio telescope with an aperture of 30 km was created.


                        Looks so weak. laughing Our base was 330 km. lol

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Or maybe Roskosmos was able to fly to Titan and land a probe?


                        Or maybe you will find NOT OUR map of ice distribution on the surface of the Moon?

                        No? What a pity. laughing

                      4. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 19 December 2020 21: 57
                        -1
                        Quote: slipped
                        Or maybe you will find NOT OUR map of ice distribution on the surface of the Moon?

                        No? What a pity.

                        wassat laughing
                        Telescope LEND on onboard LRO (NASA) and then cling to someone else's apparatus.
                        The device has a whole device NASA... laughing

                        Quote: slipped
                        Looks so weak. Our base was 330 km.

                        he was and albeit bad
                        And Roscosmos with Jupiter? laughing
                        ""You will be able to show the bulk of the last 20 years without demagogues and without plans.
                        Once again, without plans, a huge
                        "
                        Just the name and when it was launched
                        And Roscosmos just no their AMCs Jupiter, Saturn.
                        Wretchedly, I somehow compare with NASA.
                      5. slipped
                        slipped 20 December 2020 00: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Perseverance
                        Telescope LEND on onboard LRO (NASA) and then cling to someone else's apparatus.


                        So they work as cabbies of our unique, unparalleled in the world, neutron detector. lol Didn't you know that? laughing

                        Now you know. Moreover, the Curiosity rover also worked as a cabby, even though it was using our fuel, and even now our unique MGNS device flies to Mercury in a cab. lol

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        he was and albeit bad


                        Much worse, as much as 10 times. laughing In short, g .. but.

                        Quote: Perseverance
                        And Roscosmos with Jupiter?
                        And Roscosmos just no their AMCs Jupiter, Saturn.


                        There will be. Very soon, you will not have time to come to your senses. lol

                        But NASA currently does not have an astrophysical observatory that operates in two energy ranges. laughing Well, they didn’t do it, so they smeared their mirrors on our telescope in order to have time to jump on the step of the departing carriage. laughing

                        Somehow, with their tenfold larger budget, they do not pull. Everyone is sawing and sawing their Webb, now one thing, then the other gets in the way. laughing Like a bad dancer. laughing So much money thrown in, it's just terrible. But still nothing.
                      6. Perseverance
                        Perseverance 20 December 2020 13: 39
                        -1
                        Quote: slipped
                        So they work as cabbies of our unique, unparalleled in the world, neutron detector. Didn't you know this?

                        her, it is Rosxosmus who has the lowest request that NASA transmit data to them, since their apparatus and all communications are through NASA.
                        It looks very sorry to be proud of the devices on other people's devices. wassat


                        Quote: slipped

                        There will be. Very soon, you will not have time to come to your senses.

                        wassat wassat Again there are a lot of plans laughing laughing
                        But the real deeds, not the plans of the bulk tongue

                        Weakly the same records about Roscosm from any moon of Saturn or Jupetra.
                        Or is Roskosmos so g ... but couldn't get there in 20 years? laughing tongue
                      7. slipped
                        slipped 20 December 2020 23: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Perseverance
                        her, it is Rosxosmus who has the lowest asks that we give them data,


                        Well it's okay to lie to you laughing

                        Data from our devices, which foreign cabbies carry to the planets, are automatically transferred from the DSN network to the IKI RAS, and in the case of the TGO, which is now flying in the Mars orbit, is received directly by our Far Space Communication network and is also sent to the IKI RAS for processing.

                        So many interesting discoveries have already been made. There are regular publications in well-known astronomical journals. For example, here: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2979-0

                        Well, NASA pumped a bit of plutonium 238 for the rover with your nickname and mixed it with the previously purchased Russian (and all their last AMCs from America and China flew on Russian plutonium) began to talk with fervor that plutonium was already American. lol Naive, like children straight. laughing
  • Wolf
    Wolf 18 December 2020 21: 10
    +3
    The Franks were sent from the Vostochnya cosmodrome.
  • Tests
    Tests 18 December 2020 22: 03
    -1
    nobody75 (Ilya Dzhaugashtiev), Corona without a virus (Corona without a virus), dear ones, I apologize for getting into your dialogue. In Severodvinsk, my wife is a teacher in an ordinary school (not a gymnasium or a lyceum), more than 30 years of experience (all northern allowances have been earned a long time ago), 1,3 rates at most 42 rubles received for a month of work in ARPEL 000. In 2020, the average salary in the Arkhangelsk region was 2019 rubles per month, in 48, approximately 000-2020 rubles. according to Rosstat. The beloved Guarantor of the Constitution of the Russian Federation on November 50, 55, declared under the cameras of all television channels at the Congress on the Russian language that he had achieved that all teachers in Russia receive an average monthly salary at the rate of the subject of the federation. And he gave an example, as in Kuzbass they did not understand him, they say the teacher will receive almost like a miner, but he achieved it! According to the May 000 Decrees, our doctors should receive salaries at the rate of 04.11.2019 average salaries in the region ... My wife is in trouble with the Internet at school. At recess he manages to put 2012-2 marks through his phone. There is almost no Internet in their corpus. Gives home grades after 1:2. It is necessary to be in time before 21 o'clock, at 23 Dnevnik.ru turns off. It's good that in December, only one class at their school was quarantined for covid. In Arkhangelsk, not long ago, more than 23 classrooms in the city were in quarantine, i.e. there were schools where 50-3 classes were quarantined at the same time ... Although Severodvinsk in the Arkhangelsk Region has been the most advanced city in the field of material and technical support of the education system for more than 4 years, we are not a timber industry enterprise or a village on the right bank of the Northern Dvina. Helicopters are delivered to us directly to SEVMASH generals quickly and quickly, Mr. Krivoruchko a couple of days ago cheered all the managers of the plant and the Belomorsk naval base for "Kazan" and "Admiral Nakhimov" ... So believe our Constitutional Guarantor ...
    1. nobody75
      nobody75 18 December 2020 22: 39
      +1
      At your wife’s school, the administrator, sorry, scarlet ... I wrote above how to do it. The state network with its filtering should be left alone. A separate proxy server is installed (it can be assembled from any computer. Only two network cards are needed). It connects to the normal Internet, for example, through the whistle of Iota, Megaphone or whatever you have. Users and passwords are created on the proxy server. An opaque proxy server is registered on the teacher's computer in the browser settings. And that's all. And the wolves are fed and the sheep are safe. The whole country works like that ...
      Sincerely
      1. nobody75
        nobody75 18 December 2020 22: 43
        -1
        Or even easier - insert a whistle into the teacher's computer ...
        Sincerely
      2. ZAV69
        ZAV69 18 December 2020 23: 21
        +1
        Quote: nobody75
        At your wife's school, the administrator, sorry, alen ..

        If he is there at all. I saw the admin only in one school, and in other places, one of the teachers or even a high school student administers. As a rule, they do not know the words of a proxy ... But the committee does not have its own administrator, a person comes under a contract to service all their equipment.
        1. nobody75
          nobody75 18 December 2020 23: 25
          0
          So there is also a computer science teacher ... Can't he remove one "box" to thrust one (one on the motherboard) setevukha and roll debian with squid? If it's not him, but she ... then you can put the sme server there, there is a web muzzle ...
          Sincerely
        2. nobody75
          nobody75 18 December 2020 23: 32
          0
          a person comes under the contract to service all their equipment.

          Does the printer come to twist the tails?
          Sincerely
  • slipped
    slipped 18 December 2020 22: 07
    +3
    Meanwhile, after today's successful launch of 36 spacecraft, the Rogozin satraps laughing work has begun on preparations for the next launch from Vostochny, which is scheduled for the post-holiday month of February:



    Testing of the next upper stage "Fregat"

    And in Kourou, preparations began for the December launch


  • Alien From
    Alien From 19 December 2020 01: 58
    +1
    If the BRIT satellite breaks in the near future, they will tell the newbie to be anointed during the start laughing
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 19 December 2020 04: 15
    +1
    How much hypocrisy is there in the Saxons !!!
    1. Kent0001
      Kent0001 20 December 2020 00: 09
      0
      That's all of them. Anytime and anywhere.
  • Vitaly Pogrebnyak
    Vitaly Pogrebnyak 19 December 2020 13: 48
    0
    Let's further strengthen the Anglo-Saxons! (sarcasm)
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 20 December 2020 00: 08
    0
    Where's Musk and his missiles? Why are the Britons using the services of a non-democratic booster? Disorder.