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The United States again proposes conditions, rejected by Russia, for maintaining START-3

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The United States again proposes conditions, rejected by Russia, for maintaining START-3

The United States again proposes conditions, rejected by Russia, for maintaining START III. The United States has offered Russia a nuclear freeze and a time-limited extension of the Strategic Offensive Arms Treaty (START-3). Marshall Billingsley, the US president's special envoy for arms control, said Moscow should agree to the proposal.


Commenting on the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin about Moscow's readiness to negotiate with Washington on the extension of START III, Billingsley said that the United States had repeatedly offered Russia to meet and finally "finalize the deal," but Russia refused. According to him, in order to sign the agreement, the parties only need to determine "what exactly to freeze", the maximum level, as well as start "verification negotiations."

We have already answered the Kremlin, more than once. Five times we offered, including in writing, to meet to finalize the deal on freezing / extension, to which Putin agreed. Russian Foreign Ministry rejected all meetings

- said a representative of the US administration.

Note that Billingsley once again turned everything upside down. Russia officially rejected the US proposal to freeze or limit nuclear arsenals, and the Russian Foreign Ministry called the US statements of "agreement in principle" by Russia "unscrupulous". At the same time, Putin proposed to extend the agreement without any additional conditions for a year, and then agree on additional conditions, which Washington does not agree to.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 18 December 2020 13: 57
    +19
    They lagged behind us, apparently, in yadrenbatons!
    So they twitch.
    1. Vita vko
      Vita vko 18 December 2020 14: 06
      +16
      Quote: Victor_B
      They lagged behind us, apparently, in yadrenbatons!
      So they twitch.

      We got used to the good life of the world's gendarmes and financial slave owners. now they have something to lose. And Russia, like most countries, has nothing to lose except chains.
      1. orionvitt
        orionvitt 18 December 2020 15: 55
        +7
        Quote: Vita VKO
        And Russia, like most countries, has nothing to lose except chains

        Not certainly in that way. The fact of the matter is that there is still something to lose. The states are raging from the other. Namely, due to the fact that Russia has someone and how to defend what is not yet lost.
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 18 December 2020 16: 51
          +4
          The United States again proposes conditions, rejected by Russia, for maintaining START-3

          This cunning policy of Washington on the principle of "A drop wears away a stone" was once adopted by the Minister of Propaganda of the Third Reich Goebbels.

          In psychology, this principle works according to the Overton Windows law. Namely. What is psychologically categorically impossible to agree with now, after a while becomes psychologically habitual and realizable possible in practice. Thus, each time the so-called "Overton windows" are the next steps of opportunities for the actors (interested participants in this action) to achieve their STRATEGIC goals.

          Therefore, Washington / Pentagon will repeat and offer Russia its terms, like its mantra, as many times as necessary, until Russia gets used to it, loses its vigilance and psychologically tiredly disagrees with it.

          By the way. The Japanese authorities act on the same principle in the issue of Japan's belonging to the Russian Kurils. Tokyo hopes that in the end they will get Russia to satisfy their demands for the Kuril Islands peacefully, if not in whole, then at least in parts - step by step.
          1. businessv
            businessv 18 December 2020 21: 15
            +2
            Quote: Tatiana
            In the end, they will nevertheless achieve from Russia that their demands for the Kuriles are satisfied by peaceful means, if not entirely, then at least in parts - step by step.

            The main thing in all this is that they themselves believe that they are right. They lie so convincingly that they themselves believe! A lie repeated many times becomes similar to the truth. (C)
          2. Alex Justice
            Alex Justice 19 December 2020 09: 28
            +1
            Do not understand. If someone insists that I have to give him 1000 dollars, will I give it to him? I doubt it.
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 19 December 2020 09: 54
              -1
              Quote: Alex Justice
              Do not understand. If someone insists that I have to give him 1000 dollars, will I give it to him? I doubt it.

              Well, neoliberals have been telling whites in the United States in recent years that white Americans should repent of African Americans for the slavery of blacks in past generations.
              Well, for example, white African-Americans in the United States are already kissing their shoes, they collect money for donations. And what will happen next, one can only guess - slavery is the opposite: the domination of the black race over the white race.

              White Americans kiss black boots. • Jun 1. Feb 2020
          3. VLV
            VLV 20 December 2020 04: 20
            +1
            “A lie repeated a thousand times becomes true.” - Joseph Goebbels.
      2. ioan-e
        ioan-e 18 December 2020 17: 07
        +3
        Quote: Vita VKO
        Quote: Victor_B
        They lagged behind us, apparently, in yadrenbatons!
        So they twitch.
        And Russia, like most countries, has nothing to lose except chains.

        Well, how, as soon as possible, we would lose all the agents of influence of the West, those who entered the West and European integrators, and you don't have to lose anything else!
      3. Khibiny Plastun
        Khibiny Plastun 18 December 2020 17: 46
        +4
        I agree. But not really.
        The elite of Russia will not agree with you, this has something to lose.
        1. Vita vko
          Vita vko 18 December 2020 19: 46
          +4
          Quote: Khibiny Plastun
          The elite of Russia will not agree with you - this has something to lose

          Many thanks to the sanctions must be said here! Now, for the majority of the elite, the Motherland is not where dollars and euros are, but where rubles can be spent.
        2. businessv
          businessv 18 December 2020 21: 18
          +2
          Quote: Khibiny Plastun
          The elite of Russia will not agree with you, this has something to lose.
          This "elite" is only in the first generation, so there are not so many of them, unlike their money - they really have a lot of money!
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 18 December 2020 14: 06
      +6
      Quote: Victor_B
      They lagged behind us, apparently, in yadrenbatons

      In the means of delivery, they lagged behind, therefore they twitch. There are enough warheads for the remnants of the US to plunder Mexicans and Latinos when the radiation subsides ... laughing Understanding this brings them (s) into a hysterical state ... How is it that we are so powerful, we can do everything, but some kind of gas station country, with its economy torn to shreds, can DESTROY us!
    3. Yura
      Yura 18 December 2020 14: 51
      +1
      Quote: Victor_B
      They lagged behind us, apparently, in yadrenbatons!
      So they twitch.

      They are dragging on time, we have quite a powerful air defense missile defense system, and they are trying to deploy as many missiles with a tactical nuclear charge as possible in order to be able to bluntly penetrate it in number, but they seem to be lagging behind in pace. Therefore, they started this whole boodyag, knowing in advance that Russia would not agree to unacceptable conditions, and the process would take more than one month, if not years. And besides, it is very convenient - the United States is all for it, but Russia resists, it is so bad and, moreover, the aggressor is only because it can fight back.
      1. D16
        D16 20 December 2020 10: 38
        0
        trying to launch as many missiles with tactical nuclear warheads as possible

        It is not the charges that are tactical, but the carriers. Trident D5 with W76-2 is quite a strategic missile with a low-power thermonuclear warhead. So far, they, like any other BB ICBMs, can theoretically be intercepted only by the stationary A-xxx family. The United States does not have any new tactical carriers in nuclear performance and is not expected.
    4. keeper03
      keeper03 18 December 2020 15: 34
      +3
      We need to crush them, since we are stronger and bend our line, and they will show off their cuffs !!! yes soldier
    5. bk0010
      bk0010 19 December 2020 13: 06
      +1
      This is not so critical to them: they have significantly fewer goals, and more ordinary troops. For ours, it makes sense to re-accept START restrictions only if we are not able to build up our "nuclear missile potential" (as we wrote in childhood).
    6. The popuas
      The popuas 20 December 2020 04: 54
      0
      Don't twitch .... here like ... buy a brick wink
    7. Nross
      Nross 21 December 2020 12: 18
      0
      The stubborn naglo-Saxons want to limit tactical warheads - to put them in a strategic agreement.
      Fulfillment of this condition, despite the fact that NATO troops are almost 10 times superior to the Russian Federation in terms of technology and number, will exclude even the hypothetical possibility of proportionate retaliatory measures to their lawlessness.
  2. knn54
    knn54 18 December 2020 13: 59
    +5
    Deficiency of "lip-forming" apparatus.
  3. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 18 December 2020 14: 03
    +11
    They cannot attack us, they will try to disarm us both in the "blessed" Gorbachev times and in the "holy 90s".
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2020 00: 15
      +3
      Quote: Fyodor Sokolov
      will try to disarm as in the "blessed" Gorbachev times and the "holy 90s".

      As the saying goes: "Each fruit has its own time."

      Now, it seems, is a different time, and the leader of the country is different ...

      and approaches to the country's problems are different ...
  4. iouris
    iouris 18 December 2020 14: 06
    -30%
    Bargaining is not appropriate. There is no USSR. RF is not the USSR. The OVD was disbanded. The RF is an imperialist state (though a little backward). The states need to deprive the Russian Federation of nuclear weapons (if they are still "workable"). The states need to contain China. So why does Russia need START-3? Selling gas?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 19 December 2020 02: 16
      +3

      iouris (iouris)
      Yesterday, 14: 06
      NEW
      -26%
      Bargaining is not appropriate. There is no USSR. RF is not the USSR. The OVD was disbanded. RF is an imperialist state
      An obvious clinic! fool
  5. BIABIA
    BIABIA 18 December 2020 14: 06
    +5
    Quote: Fedor Sokolov
    They cannot attack us, they will try to disarm us both in the "blessed" Gorbachev times and in the "holy 90s".

    They are already trying, with all their might. Already insolent, blaming everything. Proof of? No, you haven't heard. They said it was so. That's it, point!
  6. APASUS
    APASUS 18 December 2020 14: 06
    +6
    In the modern world, it is possible to negotiate only on the terms of the United States, and this is an agreement on enslaving submission, whatever the INF, START or even an agreement on trade and humanitarian law
  7. zwlad
    zwlad 18 December 2020 14: 11
    +7
    The "message" is not getting through. We still have to send.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2020 00: 34
      +1
      Quote: zwlad
      We still have to send.
      Yeah ...
      In Russian ... on a long erotic journey ...
  8. Basarev
    Basarev 18 December 2020 14: 13
    +4
    And what prevents you from simply not renewing the contract? And again, as in the old days, bake rockets like sausages.
    1. Kuz
      Kuz 18 December 2020 14: 28
      +15
      Quote: Basarev
      And what prevents you from simply not renewing the contract? And again, like in the old days, bake rockets like sausages

      Economically impractical. We are now capitalists laughing and count the money. First you need to try to reach an agreement, and if it doesn't work out, then the arms race.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 19 December 2020 01: 12
        +1
        Quote: Kuz
        Economically impractical. We are now capitalists and count money. First you need to try to reach an agreement, and if it doesn't work out, then the arms race.

        1. The Yankees are trying to get us into a new arms race. The mighty union could not bear it, rested in the Bose. They want us to dance again on the same rake ...
        2. The Yankees do not want to negotiate without preconditions (just repeat START-3) ...
        3. About the "race". Let the amas catch up with us now ... And their whining about banning Poseidon, abolishing Sarmat, not creating Barguzin, nonsense about super-duper "hydrosonic" missiles - all of this is to seriously spare themselves, catching up with us. Here is such a race for striped ears! And this is seriously straining the Yankees with their overheated financial "bubbles" of the economy and space national debt.
        4. About Uncle Sam's appetites:

        And now they also climb into the Arctic ...
  9. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 18 December 2020 14: 16
    +3
    With a regular change of leaders, the US government remains true to its role.
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2020 14: 16
    +2
    ... to which Putin agreed. Russian Foreign Ministry rejected all meetings
    They lie at the official level without batting an eye. They told the Americans that your conditions are beneficial only to you and will undermine the security of our country.
    The United States again proposes conditions, rejected by Russia, for maintaining START-3
    Their kick at the door, they with a brazen face at the window.
  11. rocket757
    rocket757 18 December 2020 14: 29
    +1
    The United States again proposes conditions, rejected by Russia, for maintaining START-3

    Yes, everything is familiar, they are not allowed in the door, they are through the window or through the underground ... they are still sneaks!
    1. cniza
      cniza 18 December 2020 14: 43
      +2
      They talk the same thing, as they themselves said five times, not even wanting to hear our arguments ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 December 2020 14: 47
        +1
        They want only their own and on their own terms. So that desire is understandable, BUT, not everywhere, not with everyone it will work.
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 December 2020 14: 49
          +2
          Enough with them Gorbachev and Yeltsin, let them turn around now ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 18 December 2020 17: 17
            +1
            there is no such confidence that there will not be another goat / L \ look ... unfortunately.
            1. cniza
              cniza 18 December 2020 17: 44
              +2
              Well, of course, you can't reject it, you need the system to work and the traitor who came would be immediately neutralized ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 December 2020 18: 42
                +1
                The system is geared towards self-preservation, and if the opinion is established in it that THERE, WITH THOSE, it will be better for it, there will be those who will not send there.
                Unfortunately, this has already happened, it may be repeated.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 18 December 2020 18: 44
                  +2
                  Everything is possible, then there should be several systems and levels, of course there is no ideal, but you have to work ...
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            1. rocket757
              rocket757 18 December 2020 18: 53
              +1
              Judas was slightly more ... some are still alive. If not in business, then rubbing about.
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                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 18 December 2020 21: 48
                  0
                  to bring down from "this country"

                  This has been known for a long time ..

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  12. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 18 December 2020 14: 32
    +1
    We have already answered the Kremlin, more than once. Five times we offered, including in writing, to meet in order to finalize the deal on freezing / prolongation,

    They themselves got out of different treaties under Trump, and now Russia is also accused of unwillingness to extend START-3. Everyone is wise, they are wise and they think that no one sees this.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 18 December 2020 18: 58
      0
      Quote: tihonmarine
      Themselves got out of different treaties under Trump,

      Under Trump .... Biden - "I will push for an extension of START III, the cornerstone of strategic stability in US-Russian relations, and also intend to use it as the basis for new arms control treaties," this summer. October - This was reported on Wednesday by The New York Times, citing sources. According to the newspaper, if Biden wins the presidential elections, "Russia can get what it wants." According to the newspaper, we are talking about the extension of the START Treaty without any additional conditions. According to her, the corresponding deal can be concluded almost immediately after the possible inauguration of Biden on January 20, 2021. https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/9721923
      So it may be decided to wait for January 20 ... and what will Grandpa Joe say there
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 December 2020 19: 34
        0
        Quote: BrTurin
        So it may be decided to wait for January 20 ... and what will Grandpa Joe say there

        Grandpa Joe will say, "As always, Uncle Sam's relatives will cheat. Do not believe them."
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      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 19 December 2020 01: 39
        0
        Quote: Armagen
        After all, so much money and sanctions have been introduced, if you count it, then it goes into trillion

        Shitokrats love sanctions ... they shit everywhere, they have already reached EUROPA ... Madam Chancellor even promised them a gas terminal for $ 2 billion under their "liquefaction", if only striped vampires lagged behind SP-2 ...
  13. cniza
    cniza 18 December 2020 14: 41
    +3
    Moscow must agree to this proposal.


    Moscow does not owe anything to anyone, especially the United States ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 18 December 2020 19: 55
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      Moscow does not owe anything to anyone, especially the United States ...

      The trouble is that Russia does not owe anyone, while many owe Russia, but do not give it back. So is the gold stored at Fort Knox.
      1. cniza
        cniza 18 December 2020 21: 21
        +2
        Nothing, we are patient and the holiday will come to our street ...
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  14. HAM
    HAM 18 December 2020 14: 45
    +1
    The whole policy of the United States is like their cheers, this is when elderly ladies fantasize about attempts on their bodies 50 years ago. There is no evidence, but there is fantasy ... it is convenient to be a victim of a virtual assault ...
  15. DEVIL LIFE`S
    DEVIL LIFE`S 18 December 2020 15: 14
    0
    But this gentleman voiced at least some specifics, or suggests signing an agreement, and then adding the conditions?
  16. opuonmed
    opuonmed 18 December 2020 15: 28
    0
    that is, they offer a specialist, realizing that the Russian Federation will not go to that type of stalemate and we offered them))) there are such conditions that complete trash from the United States is! so that China pashol on concessions and the USA does not want to grease its allies there!
  17. Avior
    Avior 18 December 2020 15: 32
    +2
    The United States lags far behind in tactical warheads and even more behind in their carriers.
    They believe that the presence of low-yield warheads provokes the use of nuclear weapons.
    Therefore, he is seeking to include tactical weapons in the full list.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2020 02: 14
      0
      States are still those cheaters!
      They want to include tactical yaby in the total number of SBPs in order to cut off more of these beaters from the Russian Federation. And when they bring their number to 500 units, then the Yankees will begin the final act of the worldwide tragedy ...
      And they also have a "blue dream" - a general ban on nuclear weapons ... Well, to crush us NATO in full, to the very Netherlands!
      I think that we should abandon nuclear weapons only when we have ANNIHILATION WEAPONS.
      Well, so that they do not even suffer, but simply disappear without a trace to hell!
      AHA.
  18. rusich
    rusich 18 December 2020 16: 12
    +1
    Crafted nya. Lagged behind us and twitched
  19. Gennady Fomkin
    Gennady Fomkin 18 December 2020 16: 26
    +1
    laughing Not any contracts. The contracts concluded with these monsters are not worth the paper on which they are written.

     We need to collect intelligence - and rivet our weapons based on it. Without looking at any pieces of paper.

     International law died long ago, the United States killed it themselves - it hindered.
  20. Fitter65
    Fitter65 18 December 2020 16: 50
    0
    As the US President's Special Representative for Arms Control Marshall Billingsley said, Moscow must agree
    The main thing for them is not a contract, the main thing for them is that on their terms ...
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  22. ZEMCH
    ZEMCH 18 December 2020 18: 39
    +1
    Marshall Billingsley, the US president's special envoy for arms control, said Moscow should agree to the proposal.

    When they already remember that Moscow DOESN'T HAVE anything to them! ))) wink
  23. Ulysses
    Ulysses 18 December 2020 21: 42
    0
    You guys would go to your pampas .. sad
  24. Old26
    Old26 18 December 2020 21: 50
    +5
    Quote: Victor_B
    They lagged behind us, apparently, in yadrenbatons!
    So they twitch.

    No, we didn't.
    As of September 1, 2020, the United States had:
    Deployed carriers (ICBMs, SLBMs, strategic bombers) - 675
    Deployed warheads - 1457
    Deployed and not deployed media - 800

    As of September 1, 2020, the Russian Federation had:
    Deployed carriers (ICBMs, SLBMs, strategic bombers) - 510
    Deployed warheads - 1447
    Deployed and not deployed media - 764

    In total, we have only a hundred or two more strategic nuclear weapons than theirs. So far, we surpass them only in tactical nuclear weapons.

    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    In delivery vehicles they fell behind

    Not far behind, see above. In tactical nuclear weapons, we surpass them in the number of charges, but we lose in the number of carriers

    Quote: Basarev
    And what prevents you from simply not renewing the contract? And again, as in the old days, bake rockets like sausages.

    The collapse of the Soviet Union. In the USSR, there were at least 4 factories for the production of ICBMs and MRBMs, and two factories for the production of SLBMs. there remained one plant for the production of solid-fuel ICBMs and SLBMs and one plant for the production of liquid-fuel ICBMs and SLBMs. Therefore, it will not work "bake like sausages"

    Quote: Avior
    The United States lags far behind in tactical warheads and even more behind in their carriers.

    You are not quite right, Sergei! They lag behind in missiles, but in aviation (carrier aircraft) they are far ahead of us
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2020 02: 36
      +1
      Strong comment! Definitely "+"! good
      A couple of thoughts.
      1. The tactical link of the SBP is solved by the RV (MRBM), which, unlike aviation, are tired and do not know fear.
      2. We have a strong air defense / theater missile defense, plus electronic warfare. Which gives chances against enemy aircraft.
      3. Still, tanks, with the support of military air defense, are capable of solving tasks on the battlefield in the conditions of using tactical nuclear weapons ...
      Therefore, we will not lose in tactical terms to NAT, no matter how much ama pushing with aviation ... There are people, and they are not iron, unlike tactical RO.
      IMHO.
  25. Evil 55
    Evil 55 19 December 2020 05: 21
    0
    "Moscow owes" .... Moscow does not owe anyone on this Earth ball .. but the USA owes a lot, from the descendants of the Indians, whom they destroyed on purpose, to the holders of their external debt ..
  26. Old26
    Old26 19 December 2020 17: 47
    +2
    Quote: BoA KAA
    Strong comment! Definitely "+"! good
    A couple of thoughts.
    1. The tactical link of the SBP is solved by the RV (MRBM), which, unlike aviation, are tired and do not know fear.
    2. We have a strong air defense / theater missile defense, plus electronic warfare. Which gives chances against enemy aircraft.
    3. Still, tanks, with the support of military air defense, are capable of solving tasks on the battlefield in the conditions of using tactical nuclear weapons ...
    Therefore, we will not lose in tactical terms to NAT, no matter how much ama pushing with aviation ... There are people, and they are not iron, unlike tactical RO.
    IMHO.

    Greetings, Alexander!
    I might agree with point 1, but alas, while we do not have MRBMs and when they will appear, it is not known

    From clause 2. I agree. However, it should be noted that the number of carrier aircraft they have may be much larger than we are able to intercept. Taking into account their experience, in particular in the Gulf, it can be said with a guarantee that they will use their entire arsenal to protect their aviation, namely? decoy missiles, anti-radar missiles, unmanned strike systems, cruise missiles

    A.3. Very difficult to answer. So far, we can’t give a definite answer to this. The experience of the war in Karabakh should be studied, and not just studied, but looking for solutions to this problem
  27. Jaromir
    Jaromir 21 December 2020 00: 24
    +10
    Moscow must agree to this proposal.

    How is it? On American terms, we should not and will not agree.