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The Ministry of Defense intends to increase the number of contract servicemen

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The Ministry of Defense intends to increase the number of contract servicemen

The Ministry of Defense intends to increase the number of contractors in the Russian army to almost 500 thousand people. State Secretary, Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Nikolai Pankov spoke about this in an interview with the Krasnaya Zvezda newspaper.


According to Pankov, over the past year the number of contract servicemen in the Russian army has increased by 30 thousand people, and in eight years the number of servicemen in this category has doubled. Currently, contract servicemen make up the majority in the Russian army, 1,8 times the number of conscripts.

Our ultimate goal is to staff about 500 thousand military positions of soldiers, sergeants and warrant officers with professional personnel.

- added the deputy minister.

According to the Ministry of Defense, the positions of sergeants, crews of submarines and surface ships serving in the far sea zone, peacekeeping units, and special-purpose units are fully staffed with contract servicemen. Most of the drivers and snipers are also contractors.

The Ministry of Defense is gradually reducing the number of conscripts, replacing them with contract servicemen, but does not plan to completely abandon the call, leaving a mixed recruitment option.

The number of the Russian Armed Forces established by the decree of the President of Russia of 2017 is 1 million 902 thousand 758 people. Of these, 1 million 13 thousand 628 are military personnel, the rest are civilian personnel.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 18 December 2020 11: 49
    +4
    Better to be contract soldiers than servicemen drafted into the Armed Forces for a period of one year. I did not have time to come to the sun when it was time to mow the DMB.
    1. Labrador
      Labrador 18 December 2020 12: 19
      +3
      And professional contractors are very good. And the more the better! And the appeal must remain.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 December 2020 13: 26
        +5
        Quote: Labrador
        And professional contractors are very good. And the more the better! And the appeal must remain.

        And where will the reserve for the army come from, who will prepare it. Previously, a trained conscript was a reserve.
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 18 December 2020 14: 03
          +1
          Quote: tihonmarine
          Quote: Labrador
          And professional contractors are very good. And the more the better! And the appeal must remain.

          And where will the reserve for the army come from, who will prepare it. Previously, a trained conscript was a reserve.

          Judging by the number of ground forces (just over 280.000 people), there should be a war ... there won't be at all. So ... and the reserve may not be needed ...
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 18 December 2020 14: 06
            +3
            Quote: Doccor18
            there should be ... no war at all.

            It is desirable not to be.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 18 December 2020 14: 53
              +1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Doccor18
              there should be ... no war at all.

              It is desirable not to be.

              Naturally.
              But, so that it doesn't happen, you need to seriously prepare for it ...
          2. Sergej1972
            Sergej1972 18 December 2020 14: 35
            0
            If we include the Airborne Forces, as in other countries, in the number of ground forces, then it is somewhat larger.
    2. Doccor18
      Doccor18 18 December 2020 13: 25
      +1
      I have no idea how you can master the maritime profession in a year. In fact, only by the end of the second year sailors and foremen fully master the skills of their specialty.
      1. Alexfly
        Alexfly 18 December 2020 13: 45
        0
        Probably, by increasing the intensity of training, you can master any profession ... A tired fighter does not have time for all sorts of nonsense ..
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 18 December 2020 13: 57
          +1
          Probably, by increasing the intensity of the classes, you can master ..

          Well, yes, to throw a cannonball beyond 20 meters, you need to do not 2 workouts a day, for 7-10 years ...
          and throw it all day long and after a year ... to a traumatologist-orthopedist to replace all joints and then to disability ...
          What can be learned in a year cannot be learned in a day.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 December 2020 14: 14
        +4
        Quote: Doccor18
        I have no idea how you can master the maritime profession in a year.

        No way. When they made 4 years out of 3, and that was hard. The senior officers' training was 11 months. And in 12 months it is not realistic to make a sailor.
      3. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 18 December 2020 16: 07
        0
        Quote: Doccor18
        I have no idea how you can master the maritime profession in a year. In fact, only by the end of the second year sailors and foremen fully master the skills of their specialty.

        The newest ships have a completely professional staff. one hundred % . Officers, midshipmen, and sailors are contract soldiers. Contract sailors, as a rule, have higher or specialized secondary education. Mainly a marine specialty. hi
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 18 December 2020 19: 06
          0
          Quote: 30 vis
          The newest ships have a completely professional staff. one hundred % . Officers, midshipmen, and sailors are contract soldiers.

          Well, I don’t believe that the navy will then insist that conscripts be returned to them on ships of any rank - but they will keep away from them like the devil from incense, because they know how in the sea everything ends badly for untrained people.
          1. Xnumx vis
            Xnumx vis 18 December 2020 22: 14
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            Well, I don’t believe that the navy will then insist that conscripts be returned to them on ships of any rank - but they will keep away from them like the devil from incense, because they know how in the sea everything ends badly for untrained people.

            Again, there are conscripts on such ships as the "cruiser" Moskva ", Peter the First", but there are no more than thirty percent of the total. And special education, or higher. By sea specifics. For one sailor, three professionals!
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 19 December 2020 19: 04
              +1
              Quote: 30 vis
              ... For one sailor, three professionals!

              Tell me honestly, is it necessary for the naval officers themselves, or will it still be better to keep all the contract soldiers on board? I don’t know how long they are serving now, but in a year it’s definitely not true sailors.
              1. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 19 December 2020 21: 11
                0
                Quote: ccsr
                Tell me honestly, is it necessary for the naval officers themselves, or will it still be better to keep all the contract soldiers on board? I don’t know how long they are serving now, but in a year it’s definitely not true sailors.

                Guys come to serve urgently, having finished all kinds of sailors, naval institutes, even having time to walk in the sea or on the river. Helmsmen, minders, mechanics, radio operators, as well as all sorts of computer technicians, programmers, cooks. A mobilization reserve is necessary, a reserve of future contract soldiers, warrant officers and even officers is needed! There are no conscripts from the plow and from the movers now.
    3. venik
      venik 18 December 2020 17: 23
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Better to be contract soldiers than servicemen drafted into the Armed Forces for a period of one year. I did not have time to come to the sun when it was time to mow the DMB.

      ========
      Don't tell! After all, "conscripts" are, after all, a large mobilization reserve.... True not too well trained (you won't learn much in a year), but still trained in something!
    4. Kaetani
      Kaetani 18 December 2020 23: 42
      0
      Without a call, this is not very good IMHO. Doesn't the country need a mobilization potential?
  2. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 18 December 2020 11: 49
    -6
    With this kind of pay and inflation, serve yourself.
    1. BABAY22
      BABAY22 18 December 2020 12: 07
      +9
      Quote: Dmitriy444
      With this kind of pay and inflation, serve yourself.

      Said the person who:
      Flew 28 years as a flight technician on the Mi-8, 32 calendars, 62 preferential, 3 days retired!
      laughing
      "Serve, son, as Grandfather served, and Grandfather served
      1. Dmitriy444
        Dmitriy444 18 December 2020 12: 43
        -1
        Contractors receive little money.
        1. Kaetani
          Kaetani 18 December 2020 23: 43
          0
          It depends on where, it depends on who, it depends on how
    2. Strannik_GO
      Strannik_GO 18 December 2020 13: 36
      -3
      And this is how to approach the formation of an army!

      It is not a lifting task to paint the structure of the aircraft - it will take a lot of time ...
      I'll try from the position of a common man in the street
      I was born in a country where the borders and internal territory are controlled by units of the National Russian Guard. border unit, or in the Russian Armed Forces. I chose the Armed Forces of Russia - why, although a contract for 18 years is being signed there, but despite the fact that I will live in all these years constantly in the barracks (with full support), I like that after these 15 years I will get modern housing in the region where I was born or a certificate for the purchase of housing where I am going to settle in the future (in Ros Guard they do not receive housing at the expense of society - they only buy for money), I will have a certain amount by the end of the contract (the amount will not only consist of salary, it is quite possible that I will receive combat), even after the end of the contract (by this time I will be 15 years old) they will offer the choice to continue the service; either in junior command positions at the place of contract service or RosGvard or the Ministry of Emergency Situations (with training at the expense of the state, these units are not taken from the outside, only after serving in the ranks of the Russian Armed Forces), but my colleague graduated from compulsory service in the Russian Guard the institute (with him we served under a contract) received an offer to continue training at the academy and continue serving in the Russian Armed Forces under a new officer's contract. I wander around to the fact that I will accept the offer, and I will serve in the Ministry of Emergency Situations, all the same, I'm already tired of when the night is raised by alarm and in the morning you can either freeze at minus 34 or languish from the heat at plus 50, but that's why we are the troops of the fast deployment to fulfill the tasks set by the state to protect the interests of Russia around the globe. 50-10 years before retirement, (by length of service) I will start a family, get an apartment in the city for a certificate, or maybe by monetizing the certificate I will build a house in nature, in the village, and with the accumulated funds plus a military pension I will organize my small business - after all by that time I'm 15 years old, I'm at my most productive age, and my life has developed ...
      Something like that!
      PS
      I will briefly explain: 1. Service in Rosgvardia is a duty to society - otherwise they will not be accepted into public (state) structures, this applies not only to the male population, but to the female population. In fact, the RG is a structure with the functions of the former DOSAAF.
      2. the actual, only, opportunity for young people from the provinces to use the "social lift" to build a career.
      3. The Ministry of Emergency Situations, Police, Forestry, and other similar services are formed only from those who have served in the Armed Forces.
      4. Good scalability of the contract aircraft, since the training of employees (over 15 years) is carried out according to the "mid-level commander" program. Expensive? - but we remember that at the end of the contract, employees enter the civil service (see point 3), and they are already trained.
      5.How are selected "Tsar people" has already been answered. (See above) - and when, after the end of the main contract, these people come and take a significant place in the ROSGVARDIA, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Emergencies, - excellent training and selection of recruits in the ROSGvardia, trained and most importantly able people in the Ministry of Emergencies, passed a good school of life, employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs with authority ... (I hope it is not necessary to describe what these units now represent.) the spirit of soldier brotherhood, which will result in the unification of all these narrow departmental organizations into a single whole ...
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 18 December 2020 14: 19
        -1
        Quote: Strannik_GO
        This can be compared to how, after the Second World War, front-line soldiers came to government agencies, bringing with them faith in honesty and justice, the spirit of soldier brotherhood, which will eventually result in the unification of all these narrow departmental organizations into a single whole ...

        Well, you described it well. People of duty and honor have not yet died out. Good luck to you.
      2. awdrgy
        awdrgy 18 December 2020 15: 00
        +2
        This is true if everything is perfect (which does not happen) But what next? An analogue of the United States with its statehood or an alternative Russia with the nobles but without a tsar? In such a situation, we will arrive at a certain class of elite (and this is a topic for a separate discussion). At first glance, this situation has no serious drawbacks. However, let me note that the systems of protection and control, although they are critical for the state, are quite specific and do not lead it to progress on their own. at best, they ensure stability in a short section of its development.Thus, an increase in the standard of living of a part of the population involved in these systems in relation to the standard of living of the population involved in systems responsible for other areas of life of the state and the people can lead to distortions that will at least affect the demographic situations and moreover will create a certain tension (in the absence of sufficient progress in areas such as social scientific health and some others) Here you can give the following examples - Social - contradictions between nobles and non-nobles in RI Life - he wanted to become a scientist and come up with a medicine and could thereforethat there were abilities, but became a manager (or a military man and then a businessman) because the fish is looking for somewhere deeper.Roughly speaking, here the question arises that some part of the population (with certain abilities and priorities) can solve the problems of our state of the people and an individual in particular is possible to the detriment of other categories of the same population (if somewhere has arrived, it means somewhere has disappeared) But the question itself contradicts itself and therefore the system is not stable and its stability is temporarily provided by forceful methods There is of course the option that the children of this created elite (I will allow myself such a name) will already be engaged in the science of health care, etc., until they grow up, we will somehow interrupt on old stocks and at the expense of? (at the expense of someone who will pull the strap and whose children will not get into the future elite) but I think that discussing such a turnaround even makes no sense in view of its utopianism Just thinking out loud after reading your comment, although not on the topic of the article I agree that it is "damp" and on emotions but what to do otherwise I would not be a commentator drinks
      3. Strannik_GO
        Strannik_GO 19 December 2020 16: 52
        0
        I want to clarify some points if the sentence is misunderstood;
        Recruitment does not occur at the will of the person who wishes, but as a result of selection. And for this, a service is created - Advisers (3 levels), who, observing the passage of the service of a conscript in the WG, give an opinion - whether or not the conscript can continue the service of the Armed Forces, and all this wakes up to have feedback - (in the case of a misdemeanor directed to the Armed Forces, who sent him The advisor wakes up to bear responsibility for this (lowering the level, and for more serious or massive mistakes - until the contract is terminated) A person undergoing conscription service in the WG has a powerful motivation - to show his best side (of course, if he is going to make a career in the Armed Forces).
        We constantly keep in mind: The recruit does not make a choice for a year or two, he determines his fate for his entire active life. in the event of a misconduct, the contract is lost with all the ensuing consequences - this is also a powerful motivation.
        Why service in the Armed Forces for 15 years is associated with human physiology (after 35-37 years, self-preservation begins to prevail (the susceptibility of novelty, learning decreases)
        Counselors (in common parlance "Godfather") are a psychologist who determines the conscript's compliance with suitability and compatibility for service in the Armed Forces.
        Also, an employee, while serving in the Armed Forces, undergo ideological and psychological training for further service in civilian positions.
        And yes, in fact, it turns out that there are two formations: WG internal order, primary training and education of civilian conscripts, and if the emergency is a barrier. VS - directly combat units.
    3. Quadro
      Quadro 18 December 2020 14: 14
      -4
      Quote: Dmitriy444
      With this kind of pay and inflation, serve yourself.

      Oh, as if in the United States they pour thousands of bucks into the salary for the military, 2 thousand for the private and the serge and go for a walk (cashiers get 2 thousand from them and without the risk of dying). Nowhere are they giving millions to the military.
    4. ccsr
      ccsr 19 December 2020 19: 16
      +1
      Quote: Dmitriy444
      With this kind of pay and inflation, serve yourself.

      I understand your point of view, and in my opinion it is fair, because our politicians always want to tear three skins off the military, forcing them to serve more than necessary and often demanding what a civilian specialist would never do for this money.
      I am opposed to the army becoming a means of enriching the military, but anyone who concludes a contract must be sure that at least the minimum average salary in the country will be provided, and all other allowances in proportion to the length of service and positions. Then people who see a perspective in the service will really go to the army, and not those who are generally not good for anything in civilian life - unfortunately, this is not uncommon now.
  3. Desperado
    Desperado 18 December 2020 11: 56
    +2
    That there are a lot of civilian personnel, 1 to 1 is not too much?
  4. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 December 2020 12: 03
    +9
    but does not plan to completely abandon the draft, leaving a mixed version of manning.
    Foreign experience shows that a complete rejection of the draft sooner or later entails problems, and not small ones. The appeal should remain in any case, even if it is small.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 18 December 2020 13: 32
      -5
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The appeal should remain in any case, even if it is small.

      Why leave the draft, if an increase in the salary of contractors will already lead to competition for admission to the service, especially young people from those regions where there are problems with employment.
      But these will be motivated people, and not those who are sheared into the draft one size fits all, not at all considering that recruits, as a rule, rarely turn out to be a real specialist in a year. To be more precise, it is impossible to train a specialist in a year, and in two it was hardly possible in complex VUS - I know this well, because I myself trained cool specialists in Soviet times.
      1. polar fox
        polar fox 18 December 2020 14: 11
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        Why leave the draft, if an increase in the salary of contractors will already lead to competition for admission to the service, especially young people from those regions where there are problems with employment.

        there are problems, no, not so - PROBLEMS with healthy conscripts, and salaries, to be honest, are ridiculous ... many want to move closer to the mask, xs why, but the salaries there are noticeably higher ... and they do not really go. only for a military mortgage , and then they dream of covering it up as soon as possible, it is not particularly profitable ...
      2. Doliva63
        Doliva63 18 December 2020 15: 03
        +3
        Quote: ccsr
        Quote: rotmistr60
        The appeal should remain in any case, even if it is small.

        Why leave the draft, if an increase in the salary of contractors will already lead to competition for admission to the service, especially young people from those regions where there are problems with employment.
        But these will be motivated people, and not those who are sheared into the draft one size fits all, not at all considering that recruits, as a rule, rarely turn out to be a real specialist in a year. To be more precise, it is impossible to train a specialist in a year, and in two it was hardly possible in complex VUS - I know this well, because I myself trained cool specialists in Soviet times.

        This is what a freebie the officers of the contract army have - you don't need to teach anyone anything, everyone is ready-made specialists! I came in the morning for a divorce, counted on their heads, made sure that the ensigns / sergeants had notes for the day and - you can drink beer laughing I envy. Not like we used to: they will send you anything, you mock him every day for 2 years from morning to night, until he enters the VVUZ under demobilization, or after that he stays for extra urgent. But at least there was some satisfaction. And now how about this? Longing, come on ... laughing
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 18 December 2020 19: 17
          +1
          Quote: Doliva63
          Not like we used to be: they will send you anything,

          I don’t know if you remember about the serious incident with our tank in the GSVG, where the sergeant taught the conscript so much that he flew from the range to the railway and collided with a German train, as a result of which there were casualties among the Germans. The scandal was at the state level, in general, everyone got it. So you and I are both in the subject of what can be expected from eighteen-year-old "fighters", but in our time they even came relatively physically healthy, without bad habits, and now it is not even clear what they can be entrusted with, if he did not score joints in civilian life time. So it shakes us every time another scumbag shoots his colleagues, as it was very recently, and two officers and several soldiers were killed. And what is characteristic, in practice, such incidents do not happen with contract soldiers - after all, these people are more mature and have a different idea of ​​life.
          1. Doliva63
            Doliva63 19 December 2020 06: 30
            +1
            Quote: ccsr
            Quote: Doliva63
            Not like we used to be: they will send you anything,

            I don’t know if you remember about the serious incident with our tank in the GSVG, where the sergeant taught the conscript so much that he flew from the range to the railway and collided with a German train, as a result of which there were casualties among the Germans. The scandal was at the state level, in general, everyone got it. So you and I are both in the subject of what can be expected from eighteen-year-old "fighters", but in our time they even came relatively physically healthy, without bad habits, and now it is not even clear what they can be entrusted with, if he did not score joints in civilian life time. So it shakes us every time another scumbag shoots his colleagues, as it was very recently, and two officers and several soldiers were killed. And what is characteristic, in practice, such incidents do not happen with contract soldiers - after all, these people are more mature and have a different idea of ​​life.

            You are probably talking about the collision of the T-64 with a train in Forst-Zinne? Of course I remember. There the tank stupidly stalled on the tracks. The moronic organization of the educational process, you know. And if in this case there were only contract soldiers, everything would have ended the same way. But I, however, did not ask about them, but about the officers.
  5. syndicalist
    syndicalist 18 December 2020 12: 24
    0
    Conscripts serve about 250 thousand or 13% of the total number of the armed forces
    1. Dmitriy444
      Dmitriy444 18 December 2020 12: 44
      -4
      We have an army of 1 million, something doesn't fit.
      1. syndicalist
        syndicalist 18 December 2020 14: 44
        -1
        The contractors get 250 * 1,8 = 450. Total 450 + 250 = 700 thousand.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 December 2020 14: 41
      0
      You count from the total number of the armed forces, together with civilian personnel. It should be counted from the total number of military personnel of the Armed Forces. Then this percentage will almost double.
  6. ccsr
    ccsr 18 December 2020 13: 27
    +1
    The Ministry of Defense intends to increase the number of contractors in the Russian army to almost 500 thousand people.

    It is high time to switch to fully contractual service in the army - there will be more sense from a soldier, and the savings from this will be considerable, if only due to the fact that the annual funds for training conscripts will be reduced. What is the point of taking for one year in the army a person who is not going to associate himself with the army in the future? A waste of funds and an absolutely ill-considered undertaking for the present time, when equipment and weapons have become so complex that specialists must be trained for several years before being allowed to work independently.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 December 2020 14: 45
      +4
      Still, some kind of reserve in case of aggravation of the situation. In some auxiliary, security territorial units will come in handy. To control the terrain, fight saboteurs, etc. A shooter, a machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a truck driver can probably still be trained in a year.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 18 December 2020 19: 01
        0
        Quote: Sergej1972
        Still, some kind of reserve in case of aggravation of the situation. In some auxiliary, security territorial units will come in handy.

        How many conscripts do you think were involved during the events in Crimea, Syria or Karabakh? I don't think they were there at all - that's the whole price of their preparation.
        1. kit88
          kit88 18 December 2020 19: 58
          +7
          Rather, it is simply preparing a reserve in case of mobilization. So that they have at least some idea of ​​the army.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 19 December 2020 19: 10
            +1
            Quote: kit88
            Rather, it is simply preparing a reserve in case of mobilization. So that they have at least some idea of ​​the army.

            In a strategic confrontation, we do not need a reserve - we will not have time to use it. But for local conflicts, the current contractors are quite enough - judging by the events in Syria and Karabakh. So, by and large, there is no point in drafting a mass of civilians into the army who will conduct a couple of firing sessions and dozens of hours on the parade ground - you won't get help from them, although they will have an idea of ​​the army, which is certainly not bad. But these "pioneer camps" are dear to the people for modern young people ....
        2. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 18 December 2020 22: 54
          0
          So I write that they should be involved for security and support services at their place of residence, in territorial divisions. For combing the area when looking for saboteurs, patrolling, etc. No special qualifications are required there.
  7. Gunther
    Gunther 18 December 2020 13: 37
    0
    the equipment is expensive, it must be managed by professionals.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 18 December 2020 18: 56
      0
      Quote: Gunter
      the equipment is expensive, it must be managed by professionals.

      This is understood only by those who have come across training in complex professions, and know how untrained conscripts destroy equipment. Therefore, those who have not seen this have no use explaining anything to them. Take at least the same 500 km march, which must be carried out with every driver who got into the army as a conscript after several months of retraining, as it was in the SA. Not only will they burn a huge amount of fuel, but it is not a fact that everything will pass without an emergency. After all, it is obvious that it is better to train one sensible driver and give him the opportunity to serve for several years until he decides what to do next. Even with his training, there will be savings for several years - so you will wonder what is best for us.
      1. Sanya Terek
        Sanya Terek 19 December 2020 01: 22
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        ... After all, it is obvious that it is better to prepare one sensible driver and give him the opportunity to serve for several years until he decides what to do next ...

        An intelligent driver walked along the road, "slipped, fell, woke up - a plaster cast", and an hour (day, week), the unit in which the intelligent driver served, a combat mission was set. The car will be withdrawn to the RFK and RS, and then what? The minimum prepared number of the crew (crew) will simply nowhere to be taken. Or will they send you from another part of the "prosvestianal"? Who will give them an intelligent driver?
        In my opinion, contract servicemen should be in the main positions of the OBS, and the rest should be conscripts, for example, in a motorized rifle platoon: (ZKV-KO - 1, KO-1, senior mechanic-driver (driver) -1, shooter-sniper - 1, gunner-orderly - 1, gunner-operator - 1 (2), gunner-grenade launcher - 1 (2), senior gunner -1 (optional, and the rest - to be completed with conscripts). replacement of the "smart driver".
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 19 December 2020 19: 26
          +1
          Quote: Sanya Tersky
          An intelligent driver walked along the road, "slipped, fell, woke up - a plaster cast", and an hour (day, week), in the unit in which the intelligent driver served, a combat mission was set. The car will be withdrawn to the RFK and RS, and then what?

          If you are aware of what a staffing table is, then you should know that in peacetime there are already standards for which a unit remains combat ready, even if it contains up to 15-20% of personnel shortages. So do not hold on to a broken arm - he will be put on duty in a cast at the checkpoint, if he has a strong urge, without prejudice to combat readiness and conscription from a citizen who is not clear who and after what time.
          Quote: Sanya Tersky
          Or will they send you from another part of the "prosvestianal"? Who will give them an intelligent driver?

          Do you even know how many servicemen serve in the division autobath, and where any driver, by order of the division commander, will be transferred to any combat unit along with all his clothes within one hour. It's strange, you yourself served at what level in the army, so as not to know at whose expense the combat units of the formations are being replenished.
          1. Sanya Terek
            Sanya Terek 20 December 2020 10: 15
            0
            Quote: ccsr
            ... Do you even know how many soldiers are in division autobath serves, and where any driver, by order of the division commander, within one hour, will be transferred to any combat unit along with all his clothes. It's strange, you yourself served at what level in the army, so as not to know at whose expense the combat units of the formations are being replenished.

            I have a similar question for you.
            In the motorized rifle (tank) divisions there are 7 separate battalions of combat, technical and logistical support: reconnaissance, communications, electronic warfare, engineer-sapper, repair and restoration, material support and medical: in the airborne assault division - 4: reconnaissance, communications, engineering sapper, material support.
            Such a thing as "division autobath" I have never met for my service. In the battalions I have listed, I have never met freely dangling drivers either. Combat units and formations are supplemented by military commissariats in accordance with the submitted applications for replenishing the current and temporary shortage. Since 2015, in accordance with the decree "On the creation of a mobilization human reserve of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation", TNK and VNK are replenished by "contract servicemen of the reserve", who must study 2-3 days a month and go through annual training sessions lasting from 20 to 30 days. On paper, it’s smooth how it will look in practice, I don’t know yet, but not so long ago there was a shortage of air defense specialists, engineering and tank forces in these "reservists."
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 20 December 2020 11: 26
              +1
              Quote: Sanya Tersky
              I have never met such a thing as a "division autobat" in my service.

              You just did not serve much, and you do not know that in a REAL Soviet division, the composition of which was scientifically substantiated by military minds in the 80s in response to the change in the staff of the American division, in addition to the individual battalions you listed, there was a separate automobile battalion, a chemical defense battalion, and at least two separate divisions - missile and anti-tank in addition to the artillery regiment. But there was no electronic warfare battalion, and it seems to me that it is not there now, because it is not subordinate to division. Although I may of course be wrong after Serdyukov's reforms, I will still note that the Soviet staff structure was much more versatile and more prepared for land battles than the modern one. So study the history of our armed forces - you will learn a lot of interesting things for yourself, in terms of what is the stock of materiel that was to be removed from the PPD and who should have done it.
              1. Sanya Terek
                Sanya Terek 20 December 2020 16: 01
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                I agree with you that I did not serve in a REAL Soviet division, served in a REAL Soviet brigade and we did not have an autobat. I agree that the organizational and staff structure of the Soviet division was much more versatile and more prepared for land battles than the modern one, but the conversation is about today. And on the account of the complete replacement of conscripts by "contrabass" I DO NOT AGREE.
                1. ccsr
                  ccsr 20 December 2020 16: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Sanya Tersky
                  And on the account of the complete replacement of conscripts by "contrabass" I DO NOT AGREE.

                  You are not original in this. Let me remind you that before the collapse of the USSR, all our top leaders believed that the USSR had to maintain a huge army for war using traditional means, despite our nuclear power, thanks to which we could destroy all life several times.
                  Everyone knows how it ended for the country.
                  And now there are people who absolutely do not understand what we are spending the military budget on and how efficiently it is spent. And therefore, their idea that conscripts should serve is not supported by anything. For example, can you explain the sacred meaning of conscription into the army of a person who is initially hostile to service, or already has vices that can become dangerous when he has a weapon in his hands? How many more officers and warrant officers should die in the course of the same military grenade throwing by conscripts, if this happens almost every year, and no one since Soviet times can do anything.
  8. Alexfly
    Alexfly 18 December 2020 13: 50
    +3
    For conscripts, there must be a KMB 12 months long with specialization, then for those who wish and have passed the selection, a contract, the rest in the reserve of the Armed Forces with the right to purchase weapons for sporting purposes, subject to the rules of storage and transportation to training sites, etc.
  9. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 18 December 2020 14: 10
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    Serve, i.e. certain official duties must be performed by a person who
    1 - knows how
    2- wants.
    The conscript often does not want to and always does not know how.
    Hence the logical conclusion that there can be no conscription service by definition.
    In all positions in the Army, the Navy and other power structures, only contract soldiers can be - trained and motivated people who are able to carry out service consciously and professionally.
    The call must be canceled as an anachronism.
    But it is necessary to revive general education.
    For example, include annual fees in the secondary school curriculum and issue a certificate only after passing the KMB with state exams in basic general military skills and some kind of military specialty
    Uneducated people are not accepted for civil service, are not admitted to universities, do not have the right to own weapons, etc.
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 18 December 2020 14: 50
      -2
      I think that police officers (except for investigators), male Emergencies Ministry officers should be recruited not after military training, but after at least two to three years of contract service in the Armed Forces, or the National Guard, or the Border Troops.
    2. ccsr
      ccsr 18 December 2020 19: 24
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      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Serve, i.e. certain official duties must be performed by a person who
      1 - knows how
      2- wants.
      The conscript often does not want to and always does not know how.

      I completely agree with your conclusions - everyone who knows the problem from the inside thinks so. Indeed, how can you entrust a conscript with a technician if it is the same, for example, as in the flight control center, where people with special education work. And they trusted us, although I understand perfectly well that their level did not allow them to work independently. And then two years later these people quit, and everything went down the drain, and again from scratch, although we had a special selection and there was someone to choose from. In general, monkey work, and even a lot of problems in this case. Therefore, now conscript is a brake on the army and an anachronism in its purest form.
  10. Izotovp
    Izotovp 18 December 2020 14: 35
    -1
    It is necessary to strengthen the training of pre-conscripts and the retraining of reservists. Then the required number of recruits pre-trained for the current vacancies will come and the reservists will maintain the skill and master the new. Set up training centers at each recruiting office.
    1. Sanya Terek
      Sanya Terek 19 December 2020 01: 50
      +1
      Pavel, have you ever laid down in a trench dug in clay soil in late autumn (this is for the infantry)? How can you work out the deployment of a battalion command post (regiment, division, etc ...) on the simulator?
      1. Izotovp
        Izotovp 19 December 2020 05: 39
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        It was so ). Of course, I have not seen such simulators yet, but shooting simulators for a pre-recruited infantryman would not be superfluous.
  11. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 18 December 2020 14: 47
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    In the Bundeswehr of the FRG there is a category of so-called "volunteers". These are not conscripts, but they are not full-fledged contract soldiers either. Maybe we can create such a category?
    1. Sanya Terek
      Sanya Terek 19 December 2020 01: 55
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      You don't need to create any categories, you need to return the mixed picking principle. The posts of the OBS are contract soldiers, the rest of the posts are conscripts.
  12. Xscorpion
    Xscorpion 19 December 2020 08: 43
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    Quote: Sergej1972
    Still, some kind of reserve in case of aggravation of the situation. In some auxiliary, security territorial units will come in handy. To control the terrain, fight saboteurs, etc. A shooter, a machine gunner, a grenade launcher, a truck driver can probably still be trained in a year.

    So it is. Conscripts are mainly in rifle positions. Shooters and numbers of calculations, occasionally gunners in combat vehicles, depending on what principle the unit is recruited. In the case of mixed recruitment, then in each platoon there is one squad of conscripts, with the exception of the commander and the driver. If you have a medical education, then a medical platoon as an orderly. If you have a driver's license, then for six months in the appropriate training and possibly then put behind the wheel of the Urals or the helm of an infantry fighting vehicle. That is, basic training. army, go to other power structures, you can simply join the reserve after dismissal, receive a salary according to rank, be involved in training camps and exercises every three months, and work at your main job yourself. Reservists are paid 5-6 thousand a month, depending on the rank , but still this is a good increase to the basic salary.
  13. CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 19 December 2020 20: 25
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    With our vastness and more than extended borders, it is a crime to refuse conscription, every man of draft age must go through a term, where he will at least be taught to shoot from a Kalash, I live not far from a military shooting range and a training ground, from Monday to Friday, from morning to evening the roar of shooting does not stop, and it pleases
  14. lopvlad
    lopvlad 20 December 2020 00: 53
    +1
    but does not plan to completely abandon the draft, leaving a mixed version of manning.


    over time, it will completely become contractual, because the speed of modern conflicts and the growing complexity of weapons inevitably dictate this, in a year you can only train a guard in a grocery store.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 20 December 2020 11: 28
      +1
      Quote: lopvlad
      over time, it will completely become contractual, because the speed of modern conflicts and the growing complexity of weapons inevitably dictate this, in a year you can only train a guard in a grocery store.

      I completely agree with you and I think that the sooner we move on to this, the more sense it will be, and even save the people's money.