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Military motorcycles are back in fashion

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Motorcycle technology is again becoming relevant for the military. If ATVs are focused more on the transportation of goods and equipment, then motorcycles provide fighters with high speed and mobility. After World War II, when motorcycles were massively used by German and Soviet troops, this technique began to lose popularity, almost completely disappearing from the armies of all countries. This continued until the end of the XNUMXth century, and in the XNUMXst century military motorcycles regained their right to life. True, we are no longer talking about motorcycle battalions or regiments - now the use of motorcycles is more limited.


Motorcycles in local conflicts


Motorcycles in recent years have been massively used in local conflicts and wars around the world. It is a convenient, simple and cheap vehicle that, in fact, replaces a horse. Various motor vehicles were massively used during the hostilities in Syria and Libya, and motorcycles were used by all parties to the conflict. At the same time, the Syrian army adopted the tactics of using motorcycles from illegal armed groups and terrorists. One example of the successful use of motorcycles by the Syrian Arab Army was the liberation of the city of Salma in the northeastern province of Latakia in 2016, when the Syrian military used about 80 "iron horses" in the operation to liberate the city.

Motorcycles have a number of obvious advantages that make their use in combat warranted. In addition to high speed and increased mobility of military personnel, motorcycles have good maneuverability and speed, which allows you to quickly change the trajectory of movement - so as not to come under fire or get out of sniper fire. The low weight of the motorcycles is also an advantage, as it allows you to overcome mined terrain. Mines designed for heavy military equipment just don't go off under a motorcycle.


In battles, the Syrian military used motorcycles to transport light ammunition and weapon systems, food and water, and transport the wounded. In addition, motorcycles were massively used for reconnaissance, providing soldiers with the ability to carry more equipment with them than they could carry on their own two, including night vision devices, sophisticated optical devices. And machine guns / grenade launchers are more convenient to carry than to carry.

Syrian officers do not deny that they have adopted the tactics of using motorcycles from the militants. At the same time, as in any army, they systematized and worked out the tactics of using technology, preparing a special course on the use of motorcycles in urban development and in conditions of partisan war. The Syrian military believes that motorcycles and combat with them could again become a common tactic for regular armies.

In an interview with Sputnik, a Syrian serviceman, Hajj, spoke about the experience of using motorcycles in combat. According to him, the soldiers were divided into groups, each of which had three motorcycles. Such groups were very actively used for the transportation of ammunition and food, as well as for the removal of the wounded from those areas where the operation of conventional vehicles, including ambulances, was difficult or completely impossible. The soldier noted that in the future, motorcycles may become an indispensable attribute of the equipment of some fighters - as common as a rifle weapon and ammunition.

Motorcycles in the US Army and NATO countries


Interest in motorcycles today exists both in the US Army and in NATO countries. For the first time, the Americans again used motorcycles on a fairly massive scale in hostilities during the 1991 Gulf War. Desert terrain with large open spaces facilitated movement on motorcycles, which were used for reconnaissance, raids behind enemy lines and patrolling the area. During the Gulf War, motorcycles were used by American paratroopers from the 101st Airborne Division, as well as their counterparts - British paratroopers.


During Operation Desert Storm, the US military used conventional gasoline versions of motorcycles, and today they are increasingly developing and operating electric motorcycles. At the same time, motorcycles were already an equipment option. For example, the M3 Bradley combat reconnaissance vehicle, created on the basis of the famous tracked BMP M2 Bradley, was equipped with one motorcycle, which was transported in the troop compartment at the left side. Thanks to the reduction of the landing force to two reconnaissance observers, the car was filled with small arms, reconnaissance equipment and equipment, including a portable radar, 10 TOW ATGMs and a motorcycle.

In addition, this feature made it possible to conduct reconnaissance both in a combat vehicle and in a combined way - with the allocation of a dismounted group of two or three people who can use a motorcycle. With the help of a motorcycle, scouts can move faster over rough terrain, they can operate at a greater distance from the car. At the same time, motor vehicles are easy to transport, including in helicopters and airplanes, which is why they are used by special operations forces and paratroopers. Also, motorcycles can be easily hidden in the terrain, unlike a car. True, motorcycles do not provide any protection to fighters, their only protection is high mobility. At the same time, they have an obvious advantage - low operating costs, including a small need for fuel. It is for these reasons that the US Special Operations Forces used motorcycles during the war in Afghanistan.

It is worth noting that various motor vehicles are widely used today by NATO countries. For example, the French used motorcycles in Mali, and the Lithuanian special forces used them in Afghanistan. For these purposes, the Lithuanian military purchased powerful Yamaha and KTM motocross motorcycles. In Lithuania, a special training ground was prepared, where the special forces were trained in the operation of new equipment. There, Lithuanian special forces were taught to maneuver on rough terrain, jump, and chase the enemy on motorcycles.


These skills were then successfully used by the Lithuanian military in Afghanistan in the province of Zabul, escorting convoys of peacekeeping forces. Motorcycles made it possible to conduct successful patrol and reconnaissance work, intercept enemy scouts, and also prevent ambushes. Like their Syrian counterparts, the Lithuanian military noted that the motorcycle is a very light vehicle, so many of the booby-traps and IEDs of the Taliban with push fuses simply did not fire on them.

Military motorcycles and ATVs in Russia


The military in Russia also turned their attention to motor vehicles, which can increasingly be found at various military exhibitions. At the same time, in our country they are showing interest in both motorcycles and ATVs. For example, AM-1 ATVs are in service with special forces in Russia. The same ATVs enter service with the Russian Arctic motorized rifle brigades. They are designed and built on the basis of the serial model of the PM500-2 ATV (assembled in Rybinsk) and equipped with a four-stroke single-cylinder engine with a maximum power of 38 liters. from. In modern armies, ATVs have essentially replaced sidecar motorcycles from the Second World War.

The AM-1 model is distinguished by the presence of a plug-in all-wheel drive and a special wheel propeller with an enlarged tread, which increases the ATV's cross-country ability and allows it to operate more confidently in off-road conditions. Carrying capacity of the model - 300 kg, speed - up to 80 km / h. The model can be safely operated in frosts down to -20 degrees, moreover, with its own weight of 500 kg, the all-terrain vehicle is able to tow a trailer of the same weight. The military version differs from the civilian by the standard weapon attachment system: it can be both grenade launchers and machine guns. The model has a wardrobe trunk that can be used to transport ammunition. In addition to conventional lighting equipment, AM-1 is equipped with a spotlight. And the military model gas tank received a self-tightening coating, which should eliminate fuel leakage if the integrity of the tank is damaged.


ATVs AM-1. Photo: Vitaly V. Kuzmin, vitalykuzmin.net

On the basis of the same model PM500, but already with a 6x4 wheel arrangement, a mobile mortar complex was created, which includes the PM500 6x4 all-terrain vehicle itself, an 82-mm 2B24 mortar and a cargo platform for transporting ammunition. This technique significantly increases the mobility of a two-man mortar crew. The power reserve is up to 200 km, the maximum speed is 80 km / h. At the same time, the all-terrain vehicle is able to carry 48 shots of 3VO1 or 24 shots of 3VO36, according to the website of the Central Research Institute "Burevestnik".

Traditional motorcycles have also been of interest to the Russian military in recent years, especially new models with electric motors. Various models of military motorcycles are being developed in the interests of the Russian army in Izhevsk, the homeland of the famous Izh motorcycles. The Kalashnikov concern is engaged in the creation of motorcycles in the interests of the Russian Ministry of Defense. For the first time this became known in 2017. The concern showed the first models of electric motorcycles for the special services at the Army-2017 forum, at the same time models of motorcycles for the patrol-guard and road patrol service were presented. The first several dozen Izh Pulsar motorcycles were received by the Moscow police in 2018.

Military motorcycles are back in fashion
A variant of the electric motorcycle of the Kalashnikov concern

Later, the concern has repeatedly demonstrated versions of electric motorcycles for law enforcement and civil structures, a version of Pulsar for the civilian market, including a lightweight version of the civilian model in 2020. The concern also showed models for the special forces "Spetsnaz" and the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation under the designation SM-1. The concern demonstrated the SM-1 electric motorcycle at the Army-2018 forum. The declared maximum speed is 90 km / h, the cruising range is up to 150 km. The motorcycle was introduced with a brushless DC motor with a water cooling system. The main advantage of such models in comparison with motorcycles with traditional gasoline engines is their quiet running. In addition, the model is significantly cheaper to operate. Using electric motorcycles is on average 12 times cheaper than the fuel costs of traditional motorcycles.
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  1. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 18: 08
    +1
    The motorcycle is only usable as a courier or solo scout transport. The connection on motorcycles cannot exist because trucks will still be needed to limit the speed.
    1. ILIA
      ILIA 21 December 2020 18: 14
      +4
      almighty exist))
      1. avdkrd
        avdkrd 22 December 2020 03: 28
        -1
        Quote: ILIA
        almighty exist))

        The wording is super. For this and a plus.
    2. knn54
      knn54 21 December 2020 18: 52
      +12
      In addition to armored trains and airplanes (!), The rifle division of V.I. Chapaev included a motorcycle battalion for courier communications. So much for the "hero" of the jokes.
      Article plus-hooked.
      1. serg.shishkov2015
        serg.shishkov2015 24 December 2020 11: 23
        0
        And also he had chemical weapons, and an armored car * Garford *, and the division commander himself preferred to travel in a passenger car! I completely agree with your assessment of the article!
    3. svp67
      svp67 21 December 2020 19: 10
      +6
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The motorcycle is only usable as a courier or solo scout transport.

      Well, why, in the same NNA of the GDR, there were quite a lot of motorcycles at the commandant's service, they took out the traffic controllers and followed in the head and behind the columns moving along public roads, and the border service of the GDR was almost completely on motorcycles ...
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 19: 12
        +1
        That is from poverty. The UAZ will somehow be nicer, especially in winter.
        1. svp67
          svp67 21 December 2020 19: 24
          +11
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          especially in winter.

          Have you seen that German winter? One laugh.
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          That is from poverty. UAZ will somehow be nicer

          I would not say that the NNA of the GDR was poor, each company commander had a service "Trabant"

          the battalion commanders "Warburg" ...
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2020 20: 15
            +3
            I don't want to judge motorcycles! Perhaps loners even in the summer. In winter, brrr.
            For lovers of three and two-wheeled horses.




            Photos from the museum of Verkhnyaya Pyshma.
            1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 December 2020 20: 19
              +6
              Concerning the army of the GDR.

              There is such a machine. Better than a motorcycle anyway.
              1. sabakina
                sabakina 21 December 2020 21: 06
                +3
                Kote pane Kohanka, Dad went ice fishing on IZH-Jupiter and nothing. As the saying goes, "normal flight". And this is not in warm Germany. Well, since we're talking about motorcycles ...
                1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
                  Kote Pan Kokhanka 22 December 2020 03: 24
                  +3
                  One of my reckless acts, riding a bet at -20 in the Urals with a naked torso. He was young and.
                  The motorcycle will not pass through the snow crust of 20 cm or more. The motorcycle with the sidecar will be tied to the road.
            2. svp67
              svp67 21 December 2020 20: 43
              +3
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Perhaps loners even in the summer. In winter, brrr.

              And they somehow did not save much on the equipment of the army, since it is necessary, then it is necessary ...

              1. ccsr
                ccsr 22 December 2020 12: 50
                +2
                Quote: svp67
                And they somehow did not save much on the equipment of the army, since it is necessary, then it is necessary ...

                So, in our service, the troops left motorcycles for traffic controllers - as far as I know, they were not removed from the company of traffic controllers.
          2. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 21: 02
            0
            And the trabant itself is not from poverty?)
            1. svp67
              svp67 21 December 2020 21: 04
              +3
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              And the trabant itself is not from poverty?)

              But how to say, for the army it is quite a normal car, simple and light and with good cross-country ability, especially given the well-branched network of roads.
          3. avdkrd
            avdkrd 22 December 2020 03: 44
            +2
            Quote: svp67
            I would not say that the NNA of the GDR was poor, each company commander had a service "Trabant"

            I did not have time to envy the company commanders and battalions from the GDR, he served immediately after the unification.
            I can reliably say one thing, in the communications company of the tank regiment (separate), in the communications company, in the state, there was such a unit as a motorcycle. The motorcycle was notable, either really a BMW, or an analogue from the USSR, but without a sidecar. Visually, like the Ural, but the old people claimed that the BMW. HZ. I know this story, only because after the joint, I was demoted and instead of the lock (then restored), I was put in the position of "motorcycle driver". The record remained in the military officer, there is still something to laugh at. The motorcycle itself, I saw only once, long before the jamb))).
            1. ccsr
              ccsr 22 December 2020 12: 53
              +2
              Quote: avdkrd
              I can reliably say one thing, in the communications company of the tank regiment (separate), in the communications company, in the state, there was such a unit as a motorcycle.

              It was a cable-laying machine for a field trunk cable - such were provided in some communications companies during the Soviet era. But they did not find wide application, so they kept it just in case.
        2. Jünger
          Jünger 21 December 2020 22: 23
          +6
          UAZ will not pass where the motorcycle is
          Himself a witness.
    4. Kuz
      Kuz 21 December 2020 20: 14
      +12
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The motorcycle is only usable as a courier or solo scout transport

      If used with the "Bite and Run" tactics, then it will also do.
    5. ccsr
      ccsr 21 December 2020 20: 19
      +7
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      The motorcycle is only usable as a courier or solo scout transport.

      I will disappoint you - at the end of the eighties, the divisional reconnaissance battalions were expelled from the states of the Urals with wheelchairs due to their futility. And even then they were in the reconnaissance battalions, as a rule, on conservation. They left them with the traffic controllers from the military service, as far as I remember. Therefore, the scouts are unlikely to be enthusiastic about the return of motorcycles - this is too limited a technique.
      As for ATVs, I'm afraid that everything will be limited by the cost and if they are purchased for some limited needs, I would be careful not to expect that this technique will become standard for reconnaissance units.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 21: 04
        0
        Have you traveled to that Urals? I have a Dnieper, almost the same. Everywhere, except the highway, the UAZ with a dying engine is faster and more passable.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 21 December 2020 21: 13
          -1
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Have you traveled to that Urals? I have a Dnieper, almost the same. Everywhere, except the highway, the UAZ with a dying engine is faster and more passable.

          You just didn't have a wheelchair drive. wink
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 22 December 2020 01: 28
            0
            Well, with a stroller, he takes places like a UAZ almost. Yes, and eats a lot. And we have a lot of UAZs)
          2. avdkrd
            avdkrd 22 December 2020 03: 51
            0
            Quote: sabakina
            You just didn't have a wheelchair drive

            It's not about the drive. In our youth, in the Murmansk region, we went to the Urals with a stroller, fishing. I have no idea about the possibilities in real mud (we avoided it), but in places where the bridge was made of one log, we rolled it manually and did not worry about the drive to the wheelchair.
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 22 December 2020 12: 45
          +2
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Have you traveled to that Urals?

          No, I was supposed to be able to drive a heavy truck and an infantry fighting vehicle or a tank of my choice. But it didn’t come to the tank - I’m not a tanker, but at the helm of the BMP I had to make several laps. But as for the Urals, the deputy chiefs and the commanders of the reconnaissance battalions breathed a sigh of relief when they were removed from service - I know this for sure, without even getting behind the wheel of a motorcycle.
      2. Grits
        Grits 22 December 2020 04: 43
        +1
        Quote: ccsr
        I will disappoint you - at the end of the eighties, the divisional reconnaissance battalions were expelled from the states of the Urals with wheelchairs due to their futility.

        And they did the right thing. Ural is a motorcycle, although powerful, but clumsy and heavy for reconnaissance work. If he is already stuck, then you can immediately throw it - it is no longer possible to push it out. For such purposes and techniques a la the 80s, a small, light and unpretentious "Minsk" would be best suited. If he got stuck, then he himself could be pulled out of the mud and continue to go.
        1. serg.shishkov2015
          serg.shishkov2015 24 December 2020 11: 30
          0
          Father, with my help, pulled our laden Dnieper-10 out of this ... and never left him! Until now, there is no hard-surfaced road in my grandfather's village! Until now, hair on end where we went on the Dnieper! Vagoy if necessary pushed out!
    6. av58
      av58 22 December 2020 01: 21
      +1
      The motorcycle is applicable primarily as a means for reconnaissance, raid, and capture of a key point before the enemy.
  2. ILIA
    ILIA 21 December 2020 18: 09
    +5
    here is an ATV and permeability at the level)))
    1. General failure
      General failure 21 December 2020 18: 18
      +9
      A motorcycle (such as a light endura) has one indisputable plus - it is easy to throw it into the back of a truck, and more than one.
      And everything else is entirely cons.
  3. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 December 2020 18: 18
    +12
    If ATVs are focused more on the transportation of goods and equipment, then motorcycles provide fighters with high speed and mobility.

    Not quite.
    Enduro motorcycle and ATV have fundamentally different cross-country parameters and weight-dimensional characteristics.
    Those who ride enduro or quadriks are familiar with this - they cannot ride together.
    Where the ATV is interspersed, the motorcyclist gets stuck in mud.
    Where it is interesting to a motorcyclist, the quad does not keep up or does not pass due to its dimensions (in width).
    1. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 22 December 2020 12: 08
      +2
      For swamps and snows, sands - there are specialized motor vehicles: a motorcycle-pneumatic vehicle and an all-terrain vehicle. Enduro is more likely to be invented for "hard" ground outside the usual roads. Therefore, fishermen are more likely to need a pneumatic or ATV for swampy soils.
      There are also rare four-wheel drive motorcycles with steering wheel drive and tracked motorcycles.
  4. polar fox
    polar fox 21 December 2020 18: 27
    +6
    to put a soldier on a motorcycle. he needs to be TRAINED to do this (here in a motorbath they can't really get adequate ones) ... and not in one day ... electric ... such a thing. How to carry a bucket of electricity with you?
    1. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 21 December 2020 18: 36
      +5
      Quote: polar fox
      to put a soldier on a motorcycle. he needs to be TRAINED to do this (here in a motorbath they can't really get adequate ones) ... and not in one day ... electric ... such a thing. How to carry a bucket of electricity with you?

      Yes. And train and equip. And even in this case, the injury rate will go off scale ...

      Moto have very specific injuries - for example, the ankle without a rigid motorcycle bot breaks only in this way.
      Or ligaments in the knee, where the motorcycle falls sideways and tears the ligaments, pushing the knee to the side.
      There are solutions - moto braces.


      But all really effective gear, including the brace, fatally reduces walking mobility.
      Those. most likely soldiers will drive with primitive protection from bruises, or even without it at all.
      And these are potential fractures of all that is possible.
      1. dokusib
        dokusib 22 December 2020 13: 23
        0
        Why are these motorcycle delights in the army? Why are you going to participate in the races? If we are talking about an army motorcycle, this is the cheapest and least powerful endurik from the line of any motorcycle company. Weight and economy will be a priority here. In my childhood I had Voskhod 3m, and my classmate had Minsk. I fell from both of them, nothing worse than bruises and scratches. Rubber boots for fishing trips were generally considered the ultimate protection
        1. Alexander Vorontsov
          Alexander Vorontsov 22 December 2020 14: 15
          +1
          Firstly, yes, there in Syria he is driving armored Kamaz trucks with might and main. Therefore, on motorcycles, the more will be.

          Secondly, well, I already had a lot of conversations on motorcycle topics and it’s just not interesting to discuss 1 times why protection is needed, even for 000 minutes and even on a moped ...
          It’s just a pointless exercise. If you need to explain, then you don't need to explain ..
          Your legs, your hands, your head - if you want, put them on the line. No questions at all, dude. Pis.
        2. saygon66
          saygon66 22 December 2020 15: 27
          0
          laughing And then! ... Rubber boots, blue satin briefs and a fishing rod ...
          - Helmet, including those with night vision devices, "armor", even if light, add. equipment and ammo (the one that should be on you), weapons ... obviously heavier than a fishing rod ...
          - Chebureks in the South drive on Chinese 120 cc mots, but they are dressed in everyday clothes, RPGs and + one grenade maximum! There are both mots and people - disposable ...
    2. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 21 December 2020 19: 00
      0
      Quote: polar fox
      here in the motobat they can't really get adequate ones

      It wasn't about the bobbin -
      D ... talent sat in the cockpit.
    3. Kuz
      Kuz 21 December 2020 20: 11
      +10
      Quote: polar fox
      to put a soldier on a motorcycle.

      Aha ... Only at their own expense - they will recruit with category A rights
      1. polar fox
        polar fox 21 December 2020 22: 00
        +2
        Quote: Kuz
        Aha ... Only at their own expense - they will recruit with category A rights

        there are not many who want to ... they don't line up in line. that's an expensive pleasure. but whoever rides, the army did not fit in)))
        1. Grits
          Grits 22 December 2020 04: 46
          +1
          Quote: polar fox
          there are not many who wish ... they do not line up in a queue. mot-expensive pleasure.

          But in the USSR it was just cheap pleasure. Not everyone had a car. A motorcycle, for example, in the village, was owned by almost every family and not just one.
    4. Obliterator
      Obliterator 21 December 2020 20: 59
      0
      Quote: polar fox
      (here in the motobat they can't really get adequate ones)

      They chase the reckless idiots in the city on duty, risking crashing - I wouldn't go either. But in the army, go around the fields and forests, but why not.
  5. Alexander Vorontsov
    Alexander Vorontsov 21 December 2020 18: 30
    +2
    In addition, the model is significantly cheaper to operate. Using electric motorcycles is on average 12 times cheaper than the fuel costs of traditional motorcycles.

    In addition, the question arises - what to do when the batteries run out?
    In combat conditions, the issue of its autonomy is much more acute than that of civilian exploitation for pokatushki.

    Although, on the other hand, such a motorcycle is much quieter than a 4-T enduric and the more a two-stroke crossover, which in some operations can be very important.
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 21 December 2020 19: 06
      +2
      Quote: Alexander Vorontsov
      In addition, the question arises - what to do when the batteries run out?

      So this, you need a generator for charging with a pedal drive.
      You drive during the day, pedal at night.
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 22 December 2020 02: 49
      0
      "this bike is much quieter" ////
      ----
      good
      And this is the most important thing. Marches are done on the internal combustion engine, and the combat jump is on the email. battery,
      silently.
    3. Vladimir Chursin
      Vladimir Chursin 9 January 2021 23: 06
      0
      In the army * endure * on horseback to save resources for the war. Well, you will wind km while you endurit !!!!
  6. saygon66
    saygon66 21 December 2020 18: 59
    +6
    - The motorcyclist himself, and could start rejoicing right now ... - so, they say, it finally came to us! laughing
    - But, the use of a motorcycle throughout the year in our climate is associated with serious problems ...
    - In the summer, in a dry, mountainous area, sandy soils even off-road - everything is fine ... "The wind in the mug - I ... and I'm spilling!"
    - Everything is shorter, fine ... Wetland, worn out to the state of shit @ country road, fresh plowing - the passability drops to critical ... Winter of the Northwest with slush on the ankle-deep highway - jeeps float off the road ... When all this chacha freezes , and it seems you can go - ice, frozen through and through loose snow, which does not give grip at all, but if it is knee-deep ... crying
    - The engines will be constantly cold ... The volume of the cooling system - none ... Provide heating at the expense of other (special) equipment?
    - Special oils, high-quality fuel, instant battery discharge in cold weather ... Oh! Rubber! No Yaroslavl, no KamaEuro and OMSKshina (not to be remembered by nightfall) will not help us ... Unless manufacturers start treating according to the Chinese system ... and right now ...
    - Even multi-fuel Rotax do not want to eat anything ... EVA, by the way. also...
    - And what a gorgeous hemorrhoid will bloom in the household of the head of the car service is another story ...
    - Yes, and the fighters-motorcyclists themselves will have enough work - just look at the chronicle of the War ...
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 21 December 2020 19: 26
      +3
      Quote: saygon66
      Unless manufacturers start treating according to the Chinese system ... and right now ..

      For Cambodian:
      "With a hoe on the head - and into the hole,
      A hoe on the head - and into the hole,
      A hoe on the head - and into the hole,
      A nail in the head ... "
      (A Fo Min, "Russian Cambodia")
    2. Alexander Vorontsov
      Alexander Vorontsov 21 December 2020 19: 51
      +3
      Quote: saygon66
      - In the summer, in a dry, mountainous area, sandy soils even off-road - everything is fine ... "The wind in the mug - I ... and I'm spilling!"

      In general, it is far from the fact that everything is so wonderful even in summer
      1) Brake pads on the sand are eaten in no time.
      2) On an endurica, you need to vigilantly monitor the entire chassis, check the chain tension, stretch the spokes on the wheels, notice all the backlashes in time;
      3) Regularly change / wash / lubricate the air filter, in dusty and sandy conditions after each ride
      4) Engine cooling - if you take an active one, the engine will be more powerful, and will not overheat at idle or at low speeds, due to forced airflow, but the "beauty" of enduro motorcycles is that after 1 fall you can stay stupid with a broken radiator.
      If we take passive cooling, then the power is less and systematic overheating is possible;


      In general, all of the above is not a problem if the motorcycle is yours and the person either treats it like a business, or the person is engaged in motor sports and his motorcycle is in the club's garage, where all service is included in the price.
      Then yes, great, I took a ride - I went to change into a shower and a cafe. And with a motik there others are vandalizing.
      But there was somehow the experience of organizing the rental of enduro-cross motorcycles - they were simply destroyed.
      Overrunning clutches have even ceased to be changed due to the fact that it is pointless. They simply forgot about the starter and Akum. On every bump where it was possible, people tried to jump. The levers flew off, the handles broke, the gearshift legs bent and broke. The motorcycle turned into a wreck in a month.

      Therefore, even in the summer in the army, these will be "motorcycles for a month."
      Sitting in the evening over a bottle of beer, with a knob and a rag and mending an iron horse to a metallic finish, no one will be there.
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 21 December 2020 20: 06
        +1
        - "Even in the Army" - this is AD and Israel ... For some time he replaced the foremen of the repair and MTO company ...
        Then, in the mid-late 90s, it was an alcohol-mechanized theater of absurdity and trash ... In which the old "actors" could no longer do anything, and the new ones, moreover, could not ...
    3. Eug
      Eug 21 December 2020 19: 57
      +1
      And how much crap with the supply-write-off of everything you need ...
    4. polar fox
      polar fox 21 December 2020 22: 03
      +1
      Quote: saygon66
      - The motorcyclist himself,

      my congratulations, brother!
      1. saygon66
        saygon66 21 December 2020 22: 31
        0
        laughing - It would be with what! There are so many of them now that at least get off the topic ...
  7. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 21 December 2020 20: 35
    +2
    Strangely, the use of enduro-type motorcycles in the armies and among the Barmalev began long before the present, they were used in Africa, then in Asia and Latin America. Why is it only described not a long period in Syria, Iraq? This story has been going on since the 70s with moto-pedals!
    The development of Cross-bikes is fundamental and came at this time.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 21 December 2020 20: 40
      +1
      - During the war between Iraq and Iran, in the 80s ...
  8. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 21: 00
    -1
    Quote: Kuz
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    The motorcycle is only usable as a courier or solo scout transport

    If used with the "Bite and Run" tactics, then it will also do.


    Probably. But a pickup with a machine gun is better)
  9. Avior
    Avior 21 December 2020 21: 06
    +1
    ... During Operation Desert Storm

    The photo was struck by the condition of the road ...
  10. t-12
    t-12 22 December 2020 01: 29
    +1
    The topic of combat bikes is not covered:
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 22 December 2020 03: 23
      0
      Quote: t-12
      The topic of combat bikes is not covered:

      As I understand it, he uses the bike as a shelter. Only now, for some reason, I took off the second wheel ... winked
      1. Grits
        Grits 22 December 2020 04: 51
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        Quote: Bad_gr
        As I understand it, he uses the bike as a shelter. Only now, for some reason, I took off the second wheel ...

        Then very quickly put it on and quickly leave. wink
  11. av58
    av58 22 December 2020 01: 31
    +1
    The passability of the motorcycle in minefields is highly questionable, but this is the only doubt.
    Evacuation of the wounded - yes. Fast delivery of ammunition and food - yes.
    However, in my opinion, this is not the main thing. The motorcyclist is like the modern incarnation of the dragoon. Fast and covert movement of the subunit - capture of a key point before the enemy approaches - organization of defense before the main forces approach. Almost land assault.
    In addition, this is an opportunity to fight the enemy with raid groups moving at high speed, including to fight tank units. Imagine a couple on a motorcycle consisting of a driver and a gunner, armed with RPGs (29, 30, etc.), or with flamethrowers like "Bumblebee", or MANPADS. It can be very effective.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 22 December 2020 15: 16
      0
      - Sorry, with the evacuation of the wounded ... A soldier with wounds of what severity is supposed to be evacuated in this way?
  12. Sergio66
    Sergio66 22 December 2020 02: 26
    +1

    We look, evaluate ... what kind of vehicle could provide such a branch march with access to key points?
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 22 December 2020 15: 14
      +1
      - Cool! But I want to ask:
      - At whose expense is this banquet?
      - What is the amount of preparation for the trip, and elimination of its consequences?
      - The number of hours spent on maintenance (before and after)?
      - The level of training of service personnel?
      - The total experience of the group in driving on difficult terrain?
      - The answer will show how valuable combat work must be done with the help of motorcycles!
    2. Alexander X
      Alexander X 22 December 2020 22: 58
      +1
      I myself am still (63 years old) driving a motorcycle. The truth is mostly on heavy, fast and powerful. And on the highway. But sometimes I get out on the endurik too, without fanaticism. I can responsibly declare that the endurik will allow special forces to penetrate a given point of a forest, swampy or mountainous intersection quickly and secretly like no other vehicle. But you need both excellent training for a motorcyclist and reliable equipment. A motorcycle is a special means for carrying out special operations. Well, for the courier service, this is another "song" ..
      1. Zaits
        Zaits 23 December 2020 05: 30
        0
        Quote: Alexander X
        A motorcycle is a special means for carrying out special operations.

        I agree with this 100%. As well as the fact that there should be appropriate training and reliable, not cheap equipment.
        But about the swampy intersection ...
        1. Alexander X
          Alexander X 23 December 2020 09: 23
          +1
          But about the swampy intersection ...

          Edge, along the edge ... Don't dive into the quagmire ... wink
          1. Zaits
            Zaits 23 December 2020 15: 52
            0
            Well, this edge is not everywhere. Where there are swamps, there are streams. In any case, this is exactly how it is in Karelian. And some nonsense stream with peaty banks can become an insurmountable obstacle. Especially after a few days of good rains. And in this sense, the swamp is an unpredictable thing.

            It happened to fall into such peat traps. Despite the fact that I don't like dirt at all and try to stay away from it. At the moment, you sit down on your belly, and then with the matyugas you pull the moped out of this J. And along the way you think that 120kg of light endurki is not easy at times.
  13. Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 22 December 2020 03: 01
    +1
    what
    If you use a motorcycle with a fighter (scout / spotter) in the combat formations of units, it is quite beneficial.
    For raids in the bodies of the enemy, at a distance from their parts, it will be difficult: noise, low fuel supply, consumables, etc.
    The single-cylinder, air-cooled two-stroke engine is cheaper, but noisy.
    I don't think that a fighter will need special equipment like in motocross competitions, the speeds are not the same.
    Why climb into the mud on a motorcycle when you can drive along the edge, on the turf ...
    To prevent the drive chain from clogging up with dirt, they hide it from the drive sprocket on the rear wheel casing in rubber cases.

    As my grandfather said when he gave me his IZH Planet 14 at the age of 3: what is between the legs is not a car.
  14. Morris812
    Morris812 22 December 2020 07: 05
    +1
    What about horses?))
    1. Aag
      Aag 22 December 2020 10: 00
      +1
      Quote: Morris812
      What about horses?))

      Horses are successfully used by border guards, and they are not expected to be replaced in some reliefs.
  15. Blue fox
    Blue fox 22 December 2020 12: 19
    +1
    Mines designed for heavy military equipment just don't go off under a motorcycle.

    They also work, even if they are equipped with the simplest standard push action fuse. They will work even on a modern armed infantryman (well, of course, not a "pencil" from the last row of the company rank) in protective equipment and with a backpack filled with additional ammo, etc. Judge for yourself, let's take the most common:
    - our TM-62, effort 150 kg;
    - American M-15 and M-19 135 and 120 kg, respectively.
    And only one more hit - "Italian" TS-6 has an effort of 200 kg.
    Moreover, fuses can be more sensitive and of a different type ...
    Lithuanian military personnel noted that the motorcycle is a very light vehicle, so many booby-traps and Taliban IEDs with push fuses simply did not fire on them

    It would be necessary to "fill up" the motorcyclist, and not the armored personnel carrier, I think, the Taliban would have thought of the wire stretched between the rocks, or even before something "anti-Motokon", known since ancient times.
    So mine protection is not an argument for using motorcycles. Exceptionally mobility, tactical flexibility, stealth (primarily on an electric ship) and low cost.
  16. Diverter
    Diverter 22 December 2020 16: 05
    +1
    read opinions. Again, a one-sided vision of the problem / question. The motorcycle has only one drawback. This is its permeability in mud. And in deep snow all the rules, because there are kits for changing wheels for skis and psaltery. All. There are no other downsides. In order to stop the objections, I propose to put myself in the shoes of an infantryman. Transport, as always in a war, is not enough, and the commanders require a maneuver. And so every day, until you reach Brussels from Minsk. Those. the motorcycle should be considered not as a replacement for a UAZ or an armored vehicle, but as a replacement for the feet of an infantryman! And an addition to other transport. Who did the intelligence service? Remember the liftoff marches? That would be everybody's ass, right? And the marches to the search area? Would that be a mot again? And so for signalmen, sappers and even for missilemen. (I myself saw how rocket men ran and hung corner reflectors on trees, otherwise they could not run but drive))))
    1. Zaits
      Zaits 23 December 2020 04: 14
      +1
      Quote: Saboteur
      but as a replacement for the feet of an infantryman!

      And you can find a sufficient number of infantrymen with cat. A? For example, a couple per department. I strongly doubt it.

      And even if you find some kind of specialist, in some special unit, you will need to organize a very high-quality and serious preparation of drugs to acquire skills in driving on the ground and rough terrain. And having provided such training, one must still be prepared for the fact that there will be a lot of injuries of varying severity. Even with a quality crew.

      Well, maintenance of motorcycles, including unscheduled repairs, can result in a separate "pest" ...

      Krche, in our current conditions all this looks extremely doubtful. The only option is to rebuild a DOSAAF-type system and train suitable personnel from the age of 14. Those who want to drive a cross for free, and even get a cat by the age of 16. And there will be plenty. Only now the revival of DOSAAF to this level looks even more doubtful ...
      1. Diverter
        Diverter 24 December 2020 14: 21
        0
        Friendly, you answered yourself in your last paragraph. DOSAAF exists and trains car drivers. you need to add a mot. Yes it costs money, but my opinion is needed. Again, Moto is great for introducing young people to mechanics.
        1. Zaits
          Zaits 24 December 2020 18: 22
          0
          Quote: Saboteur
          DOSAAF exists

          Yeah, that's exactly what exists. In the form of remnants of former luxury, for the most part transferred to a commercial basis.

          There are also DOSAAF driving schools. They even have something free of charge from the military registration and enlistment office, but what this means in reality is a dark matter. MB, is somehow connected with military schools. There is also a paid category "A". But what they really teach there is hard to say. Most likely, almost nothing.

          With preparation for category "A" in Russia, in general, everything is very sad. So, even for the 5 millionth Peter, there are only a couple of decent motorcycle schools, where they really teach at least something. But compared to the level of training in the same "Europe", these are also tears. Well, category "A" in an ordinary driving school is generally a complete trash.

          Well, well, the person gets the "A" category, and even begins to somehow more or less ride on the asphalt. But the very first drive to the dirt road can be a big surprise for him. If it does not decompose immediately, or decomposes slightly, it is already good. The fact is that getting the "A" category gives practically nothing for driving on the ground. You still need to learn to ride on the ground. And if we are talking about using a motorcycle in combat missions, the preparation in general should be very serious. Ideally, sports, cross or enduro.

          In Soviet times, DOSAAF was engaged in technical sports. I won't say that it was super affordable, but it was still possible to engage in motor sports at the expense of the state. And it was quite possible to train the right personnel in the right quantity. Well, now this is not even close. Motor sports is an expensive pleasure (a high-quality lightweight sports moped - at the price of a decent new car, etc., etc.). I don’t think that our state is able to fork out for its support. And without this, you can not even dream of any use of motorcycles in combat missions.
          1. Diverter
            Diverter 24 December 2020 22: 24
            0
            So we need to take on the rebirth of this system. They will make a decision - they will.
            1. Zaits
              Zaits 25 December 2020 01: 55
              +1
              I will answer with a partial quote saygon66: "how valuable must be done with the help of motorcycles, combat work", bw. did it pay for absolutely insane costs? So, war has its own economy. Alas.

              I think the closest thing to the truth is this simple thought:
              Quote: Alexander X
              A motorcycle is a special means for carrying out special operations.


              "Specialists" and so piece goods. Pouring an extra lem or two into its preparation and subsequent equipping / outfitting does not look so sad anymore and will be more effective.

              And instead of DOSAAF, it would be better to first tackle the "rebirth" of motorcycle schools to the level of European ones. There will be more benefits for everyone. And there are fewer corpses on the roads.
              1. Diverter
                Diverter 25 December 2020 22: 17
                0
                It is also an option. But in any case, the state must turn to the motorcycle front. How and in what form it will not matter. The main thing is for this to happen.
  17. Tarasios
    Tarasios 5 February 2021 03: 34
    0
    A motorcycle in the army is the most important thing! Especially - silent, with the ability to "fill" simply from the socket.
    Drive to the nearest village for moonshine, AWOL, ride a girlfriend, get away from the patrol - the list goes on and on)
  18. Azimuth
    Azimuth 24 February 2021 19: 38
    0
    During Operation Desert Storm, the US military used conventional gasoline versions of motorcycles, and today they are increasingly developing and operating electric motorcycles.
    I will add a little.
    With an electric drive, they also test BMPs, but today they have gone from gasoline options to diesel ones.
    We don't need to look far to analyze the experience of using motorcycles and ATVs in combat. It's just that our memory has become short or something.
    For example, an ATV is very effective as a means of transportation for calculating MANPADS. The carrying capacity of the ATV allows not only transporting ammunition, but also means of communication and lighting of the situation. A highly mobile crew that receives information about threats in real time, capable of transporting heavier MANPADS, or installations of the "Dzhigit" type poses a great danger to front-line aviation. An ATV with a small size is easier to mask from detection by optoelectronic systems, thermal imagers and ground-based radars.

    Georgian TV report about their most effective anti-aircraft gunner during 08.08.08. Hero was presented with a personal ATV and for good reason.
  19. Andrey from the Urals
    Andrey from the Urals 11 March 2021 21: 13
    0
    It is clear that the topic is interesting and worthy of attention. The Finnish Armed Forces use motorcycles. In the Japanese National Defense Forces, the Kawasaki KLX 250 is officially the place to be. They (motorcycles.) Are also used actively in armed conflicts all over the world.