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Serial PD-14 in flight: Russia's most important technical achievement in a decade

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PD-14. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin, vitalykuzmin.net


Long-awaited, Russian


Create your own aviation Not all developed countries can afford motors. At one time, the Soviet Union was in this honorary club, and Russia rested on its former laurels for many decades. Serial production of engines for civil aircraft is a real high-tech, which clearly shows the true level of technology development in the country. Rocket engines and aircraft engines for military equipment are still one step below civilian units. First, for a combat vehicle, the economy and low final cost of the product are not as critical as for "peaceful" equipment. Secondly, the resource of modern civilian turbojet engines, coupled with reliability, is higher than that of military counterparts. Especially if the engine is certified under international requirements, for example, the European Aviation Safety Agency.


Serial PD-14 under the wing of MS-21. Source: Irkut Corporation

The vast majority of modern by-pass turbojet engines in Russia have their roots in the Soviet past. The PS-90 produced by JSC "UEC - Perm Motors" in various modifications was developed in the mid-80s. The D-30KP-2 motor has been produced in Rybinsk since 1982, and its basic version has been in production since 1972. Until recently, the most modern was the light SaM146, but this is a Russian-French project in which domestic engineers were responsible for not the most critical "cold" part of the engine. For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that the gas generator of the "hot" part of the engine from the French turned out not in the best way in terms of reliability. At the same time, difficulties arose both with spare parts and with repairs. Only now the level of localization for the repair of gas generators in Rybinsk is approaching 55%.






MS-21 with Russian engines for the first time in the air. Source: Irkut Corporation

The only turbojet two-circuit aircraft engine developed for the civilian sector in Russia from scratch was the PD-14. Perm engine builders received the terms of reference for the motor at the end of 2007, and 11 years later, the United Engine Company signed a contract with the Irkut corporation for the construction of five PD-14s for the MS-21 liner.

In recent years, Russians have had many reasons to be proud of the country's scientific and technological potential - this is the Armata platform, the Avangard hypersonic strike complex, and the Su-57. But it is the construction of PD-14 that suggests that Russia is returning to the world high-tech market.

Import substituted


Initially, the MC-21 medium-haul liner was built with the expectation of installing two engines - the American Pratt & Whitney 1431 G-JM and the Russian PD-14. This decision was made not only due to the lack of domestic analogues at the time of development. It's all about the customers. The share of engines in the cost of any airliner can reach 30%, and these are the most expensive units in terms of maintenance in the design. It is no wonder that consumers have the right to choose their own power plants, to which the ground infrastructure is better adapted. For example, when purchasing the discontinued A380, airlines previously had the choice between Rolls-Royce's Trent engines and the Engine Alliance's GP7200 family. Please note that four companies joined together to develop the GP7200: American General Electric, Pratt & Whitney, French SNECMA and German MTU. This is because the creation of a modern engine for a mainline airliner is expensive and time-consuming.


PD-14. Photo: Vitaly Kuzmin

The imported G-JM PW1431 was created on the basis of the PW1000 family, which in various modifications are mounted on Airbus, Mitsubishi and Embraer aircraft. For the MC-21, the largest version with a thrust of up to 14 tons and a fan diameter of 2,1 meters was provided. The first ready-made engines from the USA arrived at the Irkutsk aircraft plant in 2015, 7 years after the start of development. Simultaneously with the signing of the contract with Pratt & Whitney, Russia began to create its own PD-14 engine. Over the past 30 years, this is the largest project in the domestic aircraft engine industry. It's hard to say what would happen to the whole industry if история with PD-14 did not happen.

A little about the innovations used in the design of the domestic aircraft engine. The All-Russian Institute of Aviation Materials has developed 14 new materials only for PD-20. The research teams of the Perm JSC UEC-Aviadvigatel have created 16 new critical technologies from scratch, which in the future will become the basis for new aircraft engines. In particular, high-pressure turbines are equipped with monocrystalline blades capable of operating at temperatures exceeding 1700 degrees. In the fight for fuel efficiency, the hollow fan blades are made of titanium, which increased the unit efficiency by 5%. To reduce noise and harmful emissions into the atmosphere, the engine is equipped with sound-absorbing composite elements and a low-emission intermetallic combustion chamber. The most important parameter of the Perm motor is its completely Russian origin, which has become a rarity in our time. Most of the "breakthrough" domestic civil engineering is a compilation of outdated Russian and modern foreign units. For examples, you can go to Naberezhnye Chelny. The new electric car Kama-1 borrows lithium-nickel-manganese-cobalt-oxide batteries in China, and the unmanned cargo KamAZ trucks of the Ermak project are equipped with Allison “automatic machines” and Continental radars. PD-14 from this point of view is completely import-substituted.

The PD-14 engine was developed as a competitor to its own PW1431G-JM, as well as the PW1100G / JM for the A320NEO aircraft. This market niche also includes the Leap-1A, Leap-1B, Leap-1C motors from the CFMI consortium (GE / Snecma) for the A320NEO, B737MAX and C919 machines, respectively. Taking into account the dollar exchange rate and completely domestic origin, prices on the world markets for PD-14 will be quite attractive.

Technical sovereignty


From the very beginning, engineers rightly planned on the basis of PD-14 to develop a whole family of aircraft engines with thrust from 9 to 18 tons, which will be discussed a little later. The finished gas generator of the Perm novelty, that is, the heart of the engine, was ready for bench tests in November 2010. And the finished prototype, or, as it is also called, the technology demonstrator, was first wound up at the stand in June 2012. The engine took off for the first time in October 2015, though not under the wing of the MS-21, but together with the IL-76LL flying laboratory No. 08-07.






For the first time in the status of a prototype, the PD-14 took off under the wing of the Il-76LL. Source: vk.com

The very first studies of the motor parameters confirmed its technical advantage over imported counterparts. Specific fuel consumption has been reduced by 10-15%, and the life cycle cost has been reduced by 20%. The developers also managed to deal with the noise, because of which domestic motors could not be certified in the West. PD-14 turned out to be 15-20 dB quieter than required by the standards of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). Initially, the top managers of the United Aircraft Building Organization optimistically planned to raise the MS-21 on domestic engines at the beginning of 2018. But, as we can see, this happened only in December 2020.


In addition to the options mentioned in the text based on the PD-14 gas generator, the plans include the PD-24 and PD-28 aircraft motors. Source: vk.com

In January of this year, three motors, one of which is a reserve one, covered 4000 kilometers from Perm to Irkutsk on auto trailers in order to be under the wing of MC-21 with number 0012. These motors were manufactured in Perm back in 2018, but only now they turned out are in demand. Last year, two more motors were assembled, on which the MC-21-310 will be certified for the Federal Air Transport Agency. Also in 2021, they plan to receive a similar certificate from the European Aviation Safety Agency EASA. And if everything goes according to plan, the Perm plant will produce up to 50 PD-14 aircraft engines per year. A forced version with a thrust of up to 14,5 tons PD-14A, as well as an even more powerful PD-14M, designed for a maximum of 15,6 tons of thrust are in development. There is an idea to develop a light version PD-8 for the SuperJet based on the gas generator of the Perm engine.

Then the magic of numbers begins. By increasing the bypass, PD-16 will be built for the heavy version of the MS-21-400 aircraft with a take-off thrust of 17 tons. If the fan diameter is reduced, PD-10 can be assembled with a thrust of almost 11 tons. A helicopter turboshaft version with a capacity of 11,5 thousand l / s based on the Perm turbojet will in the future have the name PD-12V. In this version, it will already find its application in the army aviation. And, finally, for the industry in the development of "land" gas turbine power plants GTU-12PD and GTU-16PD.

In 2021, another aircraft engine with the name PD is supposed to be brought to bench tests, only the index will be 35. Earlier, engines of this class in Russia and the USSR were not produced at all: thrust range from 25 to 50 tons, fan diameter 3,1 meters, outer diameter 3,9 , 8 meters, and the length of the nacelle up to 2027 meters. The giant is slated for production in XNUMX. With the advent of this engine, Russia will have hope for the revival of the legendary Ruslans or more advanced analogues.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 05: 10
    +28
    But it is the construction of PD-14 that suggests that Russia is returning to the world high-tech market.
    Better late than never, and do not care about the propagandized, often mythical "competitiveness". We can fly whatever we want at home!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 21 December 2020 05: 26
      +7
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      Better late than never, and do not care about the propagandized, often mythical "competitiveness". We can fly whatever we want at home!

      The main thing is that they did their own thing and good.
      And no one will tell us what is good and what is bad for us
      1. Temples
        Temples 21 December 2020 08: 59
        +18
        In our vast country, aviation should be the first transport infrastructure for a long time.

        If you think about people, then it's time to revive regional air travel.
        The demand for aircraft is enormous.

        This means that hundreds, if not thousands, of engines need to be produced.

        But if you think about people.
        And if you think about how to cut the loot without lifting your ass, then it is important to fill Moscow airports with planes for the most tomatoes.
        Then many engines are not needed, because Moscow is not rubber. wassat
        1. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 21 December 2020 10: 23
          +4
          As non-rubber, the country and its surroundings think differently) On the topic, there is really good news, causing pride in the industry and specialists.
          1. zenion
            zenion 21 December 2020 20: 00
            -6
            But the most important thing is that it was not empty chatter. Here in the USSR they did not love and never boasted of engines for aircraft or for other transport. It was so common that they didn't want to brag. They began to boast under present-day Russia that in a country in which there is no workplace for the people, this is done.
            1. barsik92090
              barsik92090 12 February 2021 23: 21
              0
              In the market we have entered, advertising generates income, is ahead of events that may not happen.
      2. A1845
        A1845 21 December 2020 09: 55
        +2
        in the text and in the picture, the numbers do not match, it's a pity the author does not comment
        11 thousand hp for a helicopter - will it be in demand? in the course of a gas turbine engine an order of magnitude smaller
        an interesting topic about the unification of the gas generator for different types of engines, again, it's a pity that there are no details
        1. Potter
          Potter 21 December 2020 10: 30
          +14
          Mi-26, which was equipped with D-136 engines of the Zaporozhye plant (Motor Sich) with a capacity of 10000 hp.
          1. Zufei
            Zufei 21 December 2020 19: 10
            0
            12 kilosHorses
      3. yehat2
        yehat2 21 December 2020 10: 32
        +7
        Quote: Lipchanin
        The main thing is that they did their own thing and good

        It's early to rejoice. When the real flow of engines goes into operation, then there will be something to celebrate. In addition, despite the tests, a large raid will give reasons for modernization.
        And then it will be possible to talk about competitiveness.
      4. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 21 December 2020 12: 53
        +3
        Quote: Lipchanin
        The main thing is that they did their own thing and good.

        But there is still a lot of work! Now we will establish contacts with subcontractors, supply production, train personnel and arrange maintenance and repair of engines! And then you can drinks
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 21 December 2020 13: 16
          +2
          Quote: Starover_Z
          Quote: Lipchanin
          The main thing is that they did their own thing and good.

          But there is still a lot of work! Now we will establish contacts with subcontractors, supply production, train personnel and arrange maintenance and repair of engines! And then you can drinks

          But with the most important thing done. The engine is already in metal and is running
      5. Nazar
        Nazar 22 December 2020 20: 31
        -2
        Lipchanin - it would be good to have these engines of his, and even create his own plane. No.
        The MC21 is half imported, and the United States has already included Irkut in the sanctions lists, so the serial production of the MCXNUMX will again go “to the right” and how much is difficult to say now.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 21 December 2020 05: 38
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      do not care about the promoted, often mythical "competitiveness". We can fly on whatever we want!

      Warriors, yes. They can afford it.
      Civilians do not want to, but have to count money.
      Or are you ready to fly from Moscow to conditional Kazan at the price of a flight from Berlin to New York?
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 06: 03
        +6
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Civilians do not want to, but have to count money
        I understand when the savings are tens of percent, but when it comes to the difference in a few, it's a completely different matter.
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Or are you ready to fly from Moscow to conditional Kazan at the price of a flight from Berlin to New York
        There is such a thing as subsidies and tax cuts for their own, even if the competitiveness is lower.
        1. Viktor Sergeev
          Viktor Sergeev 21 December 2020 08: 12
          +9
          Yeah, there is, and then there is the WTO, the ban on subsidies. By the way, 5% is very important.
          1. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 08: 35
            +14
            Quote: Victor Sergeev
            Yeah, there is, and then there is the WTO, the ban on subsidies. By the way, 5% is very important
            Against the background of all kinds of sanctions and a new "cold war", is it funny to write about the WTO? Well, 5% overpayment is unpleasant, but much better than a super-economical engine bought for a lot of money, which cannot be exploited due to the lack of spare parts prohibited for delivery by sanctions, for example.
            1. victor50
              victor50 21 December 2020 08: 50
              +7
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Against the background of all kinds of sanctions and a new "cold war", is it funny to write about the WTO?

              Really come out? belay
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 08: 51
                -4
                On paper or in fact? )))
                1. victor50
                  victor50 21 December 2020 09: 05
                  +3
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  On paper or in fact? )))

                  Do you at least have them?
                  1. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 09: 06
                    -5
                    There is and is complete, check!
                    1. victor50
                      victor50 21 December 2020 09: 24
                      +5
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      There is and is complete, check!

                      No, check it out! request laughing Please provide if they are known.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 09: 29
                        -2
                        Quote: victor50
                        Please provide if they are known.

                        They are known, who is this? Facts? Clogging in the WTO? Or leaving the WTO?
                      2. victor50
                        victor50 21 December 2020 09: 36
                        +5
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        They are known, who is this? Facts? Clogging in the WTO? Or leaving the WTO?

                        It begins ... What are you like in a frying pan? Give the facts. I would be very happy if this was true. I lost my rose-colored glasses.
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 09: 42
                        -4
                        Quote: victor50
                        It begins ... What are you like in a frying pan

                        Okay, here are the facts of clogging at the WTO; sanctions on Turkish tomatoes and various European sweets are fully covered by this case. It was enough to show the political will of the country's leadership. If anything, I am against joining this guano and for an early exit from it.
                        Quote: d4rkmesa
                        The "ban on subsidies" has been successfully circumvented for a long time with the help of non-tariff restrictions, regulators, national standards, indirect support, etc. Europe has been "cheating" in this way for more than a decade.
                        or so.

                      4. victor50
                        victor50 21 December 2020 09: 47
                        +8
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        sanctions on Turkish tomatoes and various European sweets are fully covered by this case

                        These were sanctions in response to sanctions. But only. And about tomatoes and political will, I would not mention. I want to forget. It's a shame. The question arises (not to you) - what prevents you from leaving?
                      5. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 09: 56
                        0
                        Quote: victor50
                        The question arises (not to you) - what prevents you from leaving?

                        Violently plus.
    3. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 December 2020 17: 52
      +3
      Believe it or not, it's not funny at all. The WTO almost destroyed our agriculture and individual industries, but thank God, 2014 happened and the very sanctions that made it possible to bypass the WTO rules and give a huge impetus to development. Will you learn to read someday? The engine is all ours, it does not need imported components.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 04: 03
        -2
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        The WTO almost destroyed our agriculture and some industries
        Did the WTO come to us like the Germans at 41? So the questions of destruction are not for the WTO, but for those who launched it into the country.
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        You will learn to read someday
        A similar counterclaim.
        Well, 5% overpayment is unpleasant, but much better than a super-economical engine bought for a lot of money, which cannot be operated due to lack of spare parts
        Where is it about the fact that this engine is PD-14 ?! It is clear to anyone that we are talking about an imported engine, even if it is at least twice as economical, but not for you, unfortunately.
      2. Greyjojo
        Greyjojo 9 February 2021 11: 49
        0
        To put it mildly, this is not the case. According to the UAC, the share of imports there is 5%
        but where and what it is for 5% is unknown.
        it may be that without them, the remaining 95% is a pile of metal.

        In general, this kind of "cap throwing" smiles at me.

        The product is then a breakthrough and bears fruit when it is released in a large series and, preferably, for export.

        Over the past 30 years, we have a lot of "finally the Russian Federation made a breakthrough" and then the media and Internet warriors are choking with delight.
        Only then does it end with a zilch, if not a liquid drain.
        - Hangar;
        - Armata;
        - SU-57;
        - Yo-mobile;
        - superjet;
        etc. etc.
        It turns out that here we are dependent on imports, here production is not ready, there is no reliability here, here are Ukrainians, here are Americans, here the French have screwed up. Here the boyars are bad. Here the WTO suddenly ... we signed and did not expect ...
        And if we would go to the Vorogi!

        Let's wait for the streak and sales results before we go into ecstasy.
    4. Viktor Sergeev
      Viktor Sergeev 22 December 2020 17: 53
      -2
      By the way, the Cold War is in your head.
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 23 December 2020 04: 04
        0
        Quote: Victor Sergeev
        By the way, the Cold War is in your head.

        I'm glad your cockroaches live in full consensus in your head.
  2. d4rkmesa
    d4rkmesa 21 December 2020 09: 38
    +5
    The "ban on subsidies" has been successfully circumvented for a long time with the help of non-tariff restrictions, regulators, national standards, indirect support, etc. Europe has been "cheating" in this way for more than a decade.
  • ROSS_51
    ROSS_51 21 December 2020 09: 02
    +6
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Or are you ready to fly from Moscow to conditional Kazan at the price of a flight from Berlin to New York?

    An economical engine is competitive when selling an aircraft. This does not threaten us - a bunch of contracts have failed due to our lack of service support.
    And the price of tickets in our country is not because of the "gluttony" of our engines (there are plenty of Boeings on the line), but because the state imposes frenzied duties on oil workers and up the chain - the price of fuel is wildly overstated. Although, for the sake of justice, it must be said that excise taxes on aviation kerosene have not been raised for a long time.
  • Civil
    Civil 21 December 2020 08: 30
    -4
    And it will also go to the Il-96, a cheap engine + PD-14 efficiency can revive the project, however.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 December 2020 09: 09
      +4
      Such liners are now switching to 2x30 tons .... 4 motors are no longer relevant, even in a modern western version.
  • antivirus
    antivirus 21 December 2020 09: 47
    -5
    Initially, the top managers of the United Aircraft Building Organization optimistically planned to raise the MS-21 on domestic engines at the beginning of 2018. But, as we can see, this happened only in December 2020.

    -when EBN still traveled around the country and "promoted reforms" -was in Perm, "90" tried to bring to mind - "the development of the engine for 10 years. And the aircraft - 6-7 years"
    NOTHING CHANGED. DEFECTIVE PEASANT LEVEL MANAGERS (1960-70) WORK. and in the west the same way.
    ... let's remember the USSR ...
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  • ioan-e
    ioan-e 21 December 2020 10: 39
    +1
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    But it is the construction of PD-14 that suggests that Russia is returning to the world high-tech market.
    Better late than never, and do not care about the propagandized, often mythical "competitiveness". We can fly whatever we want at home!

    Absolutely, we were already bought in the early nineties by the axiom - either you are the first in this industry, or you do not need it, since you can buy it! But the USSR was in many industries in which it was in second or third places in the world (shipbuilding, mechanical engineering, machine tool building, etc.) and it was much cheaper and more profitable to produce at home than to buy, especially since the sanctions clearly showed how from these "purchases" are switched off per minute!
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 21 December 2020 05: 29
    +8
    Well, Eugene pleased with his article ... thank you hi .
    It can be seen that the situation with the development of a new domestic engine does not stand still ... work is underway, there is a result, there are prospects too ... then life goes on.
    I wish our engine operators new success in their plans for the future.
    New domestically produced aircraft must be promoted at all levels both within our market and abroad ... these are new jobs, this is the development of remote corners of Russia, and much more.
    1. Sergey_G_M
      Sergey_G_M 21 December 2020 07: 27
      +2
      The news is good and one can rejoice, only confuses:
      And if everything goes according to plan, the Perm plant will produce up to 50 PD-14 aircraft engines per year.

      This is very small ((
      Especially considering what a wide range of engines they want to produce based on it.
      1. victor50
        victor50 21 December 2020 08: 52
        +2
        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        The news is good and one can rejoice, only confuses:
        And if everything goes according to plan, the Perm plant will produce up to 50 PD-14 aircraft engines per year.

        This is very small ((
        Especially considering what a wide range of engines they want to produce based on it.

        For those planes that we, alas, are building enough recourse
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 21 December 2020 10: 04
        +3
        Great news: good luck to the developers and God protect them from effective managers... I agree with my colleague
        Quote: Sergey_G_M
        then the Perm plant will produce up to 50 PD-14 aircraft engines per year. This is very small. Especially considering what a wide range of engines they want to produce based on it.
        I would like to hope that this is only for the beginning of production, after all, some MSs are planned to be produced by seven dozen a year.
  • Yura
    Yura 21 December 2020 05: 37
    +12
    Yesterday I still read about this news, but here I didn’t read it in more detail, I got excited, I went out to smoke, how glad I am the men, I am proud of those who are behind the calculations and those who have a drawing board with a pencil behind their ear and those who have a file (clear stump image) and the mood is upbeat for the whole day. This is another step forward, there will be others. Our joy is a kind of support for everyone involved in this event, let them know that those for whom they work are proud of them.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 21 December 2020 06: 16
      +6
      Quote: Jura
      and those with a file (the stump image is clear)

      This is generally a special thanks
      It's one thing to invent, and another thing is to turn it into a product
  • Genry
    Genry 21 December 2020 06: 54
    +3
    Although 2020 was discouraged by a covid pandemic, it became rich in productive events.


    1. Boris55
      Boris55 21 December 2020 08: 04
      -15%
      Quote: Genry
      Although 2020 was discouraged by a covid pandemic, it became rich in productive events.

      The main result - the dream of our ancestors: "To catch up and overtake America" ​​has come true!
      But the United States is in a swarm of catching up, or rather - in lagging behind and more and more.
      1. victor50
        victor50 21 December 2020 08: 53
        +12
        Quote: Boris55
        But the United States is in a swarm of catching up, or rather - in lagging behind and more and more.

        I also want such dreams! laughing
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 21 December 2020 11: 11
          +4
          These are not really dreams. Not everything, to be more precise. For the first time in some areas of the military-industrial complex, Russia sets the pace (see hypersonic weapons), and does not respond already in the role of catch-up.
          1. Kart
            Kart 21 December 2020 14: 41
            +8
            Be careful. Some people may have their stools explode.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 21 December 2020 09: 13
        +6
        No need to catch up and overtake. We need to engage in protectionism in our markets and move our equipment abroad. RF market - about 700 MS-21 aircraft. Commercial version only. You can also let the Indians do any details locally ... and push their technique later.
        1. garri-lin
          garri-lin 21 December 2020 12: 03
          +1
          Hindus love to demand technology transfer. And PD is too tasty morsel. Perspective. Bargaining with them must be thoughtful. And not in any way not to be the initiators.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 December 2020 16: 30
            +2
            For the Apache, the Indians make the fuselage ... ... everything else is supplied by the USA. Here's an example of cooperation. Now imagine the market in pieces in India.
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 21 December 2020 17: 12
              +1
              The market is needed. But the conditions are dictated by the one to whom they come with the proposal. If we offer they will start demanding technology transfer. If we wait and they come, then we can divide at a minimum. Too big market and too much those Indians are cunning and dishonest people.
          2. ver_
            ver_ 25 December 2020 14: 38
            0
            ... you need to send the gypsies to bargain with them ...
            1. garri-lin
              garri-lin 25 December 2020 16: 07
              +1
              The gypsies have their elephant together. It will come out inconveniently.
        2. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 21 December 2020 12: 32
          +3
          Service needs to be set up - and without pushing ours and ours will be taken .. the main problem of SJ is service, no commercial airline wants to "tie" the board on the ground and wait for weeks for spare parts .. Boeing brings in 2-3 days if not on the basis of which there are dozens around the world, and ours carry them for weeks, although they pay for it ..
          and all .. service to do normal and SJ and MS-21 .. all will be sold .. they are competitive!
          It's just that the world market does not care about the "fanfare", give it the facts, competition, however .. and our "super-efficient" ones, as soon as they get to the real market, and not protected by the state, everything does not work right away ..
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 21 December 2020 16: 31
            +2
            Without a real history of operation in the Russian Federation ... MS21 no one will buy. But this market is also a tasty morsel. The Russian Federation spends foreign currency on the purchase and repair of Airbus and Boeing.
            1. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 21 December 2020 17: 03
              +2
              Foreigners began to take SJ first .. and a lot .. without a history of operation .. here in many respects - marketing and price .. It is not the Russian Federation who spends money, but the airlines that will start taking ours - en masse, as soon as they again solve the above problems, yes, if the price is "delicious" .. And so, ours, too, on earth to stand no joy.
              by the way, yes, including state ones, like Aeroflot .. but for some reason the aircraft in the Virgin Islands are zaregan, okay not about that .. You see, buying it is not even half the battle .. but the operation is of high quality for many years- this is the main thing. pay on lease for a board standing on the ground - every month, which does not bring profit - there are not very many who wish ..
              Buy a good car, but there is no place to fix it, and wait for spare parts for a month, but on credit .. would you buy one yourself?
  • svp67
    svp67 21 December 2020 07: 27
    +5
    Rocket engines and aircraft engines for military equipment are still a step lower than civilian units. Firstly, the efficiency and low final cost of the product are not so critical for a combat vehicle as for "peaceful" equipment. Secondly, the resource of modern civilian turbojet engines, coupled with reliability, is higher than that of military counterparts.
    I do not agree with this statement. Engines for military aviation are at the same height as civilian ones and not lower, they just have their own "pedestal". Unlike the "civilian" brothers, this has to work at the very limit of possibilities and these possibilities are such that the "civilian" ones do not yet reach
    And the PD-14 development family raised the question, where did the "little brother" - PD-8 go?
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 December 2020 08: 56
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      I do not agree with this statement.

      I will support!
      Quote: svp67
      First, efficiency is not so critical for a combat vehicle.
      You might think on the military planes of the spatial teleport they put feeds for the fuel.
    2. Zufei
      Zufei 21 December 2020 21: 45
      +1
      Different certification requirements. To the military - hit the ground, add sand. Will it fly to the target? "Civilian" - a flock of geese hit during takeoff - 30 seconds CHVR with a loss of no more than 10% of thrust. Shoba just sit down and everyone is alive.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 December 2020 08: 00
    +2
    But the technologies for the production of blades are also ALL ours. And if in the beginning imported installations were used (on one of the coatings) (blades of high-pressure turbines are covered with layers of different materials, otherwise they will not survive), now they are already coping with domestic ones, and more than one ...
    1. svp67
      svp67 21 December 2020 09: 18
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      But the technologies for the production of blades are also ALL ours.

      Now "pan-heads" will run in and explain everything to you that Russia does not and did not have such a thing of its own, but that there is something STEALED in Ukraine from Donbass. They cannot explain one thing, how the maintenance equipment manages to supply blades to helicopter, ship and aircraft engines ...
  • Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 21 December 2020 08: 55
    +5
    In recent years, Russians have had many reasons to be proud of the country's scientific and technological potential - this is the Armata platform, the Avangard hypersonic strike complex, and the Su-57. But it is the construction of PD-14 that suggests that Russia is returning to the world high-tech market.

    It seems to me that the value of the PD-14 and subsequent engines based on it (PD-35 and PD-8) is much higher than the Armata, Avangard and Su-57, which are all the more still rather abstract. And a breakthrough in the field of civilian technologies, at the global level, is a great rarity for modern Russia
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 21 December 2020 09: 15
      +4
      The production of civilian airliners allows you to maintain the competence of engineers who make military aircraft ... allow you to have equipment and technologies that military aircraft manufacturers do not have and, in the end, to use civilian PD-14 on military vehicles.
    2. d4rkmesa
      d4rkmesa 21 December 2020 09: 48
      +5
      On the basis of the PD-35, a "sea" turbine could be quickly made, a kind of analogue of the Rolls Royce mt-30. After that, it will be possible to design really large ships for the Navy - a large destroyer, for example.
      1. Bobrick
        Bobrick 21 December 2020 14: 43
        +2
        Such a turbine, according to engineers, can be safely developed on the basis of the existing D-30F6, but the military is against the use of engines from stocks, and refused to re-establish production.

        And not everything is so rosy with the PD-35 - the use of blisks in the compressor does not suit the military in terms of maintainability, and they will definitely be on the PD-35 (blisks are used on the PD-14).
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 21 December 2020 11: 59
      -1
      Armata, Vanguard and Su-57, which are all the more still rather abstract.

      Of course, abstractness. The avant-garde was adopted by the Strategic Missile Forces, the Armata has undergone improvements and state tests, serial samples will enter the army next year, the first serial Su-57 will go into service with the Russian Aerospace Forces this month.
      the value of PD-14 and subsequent engines based on it (PD-35 and PD-8) is much higher

      Their importance is high, but let's also not belittle such iconic developments as Avangard, Armata, Su-57.
    4. Kart
      Kart 21 December 2020 14: 43
      +3
      I don't think so.
      The contracts for the supply of Armat and SU-57 have been signed. The vanguard has already interceded, there will be more.
      Abstractness only in Sumerian dreams.
  • Falcon iba
    Falcon iba 21 December 2020 09: 51
    -1
    The production of engines for military and civilian equipment is two big differences. The state is in charge of the military, and private companies, which we do not have, should be engaged in civilians. Therefore, we have everything in order with the military, and the civilians are already on the leftover principle.
    1. Genry
      Genry 21 December 2020 11: 17
      -2
      Quote: Falcon IBA
      Therefore, we have everything in order with the military, and the civilians are already on the leftover principle.

      Now a key task / requirement has been set for all enterprises in the defense sector - it is to expand the production of civilian products up to 50%. Those. the ability to work in the absence of military orders and at the same time have reserves to increase the output of military men. Not Gorbachev's conversion with a decrease in volumes, but a doubling of capacity.

      The understanding is coming more and more that full privatization is stupidity. It is necessary to have a public sector of all types of products (mechanical engineering, light industry, food, ...), which would compete with the commercial and speculative - a sort of state capitalism.
      1. Bobrick
        Bobrick 21 December 2020 15: 00
        -2
        a kind of state capitalism

        Will you have enough courage to write further? laughing
        Simply, after this decision, there are two chairs: one on the left (with one eternally alive), the other on the right (with the "great Russian people" and, "everyone should do their own thing," that is, the rich - to rule) - which one will you choose?
      2. Bobrick
        Bobrick 21 December 2020 15: 24
        +1
        Although, who am I kidding when I call a socially oriented economy for the benefit of the majority of the population state capitalism, the right chair is implied by default. sad
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 21 December 2020 10: 30
    0
    I am pleased with such a variety of possible developments. We just need to do everything as quickly as possible, we need to raise the economy.
  • CTABEP
    CTABEP 21 December 2020 11: 04
    0
    This is perhaps really good news at the end of the year. Not cartoon rockets.
  • Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 12: 00
    -6
    What kind of jingoistic patriotic nonsense has been lit up again ...

    Own engines will be more expensive anyway. The only question is where exactly we will overpay for them: buying tickets or paying taxes.

    However, this will allow not to spend part of the currency abroad, which is a plus anyway.
    1. Bobrick
      Bobrick 21 December 2020 14: 47
      -2
      They won't. The exchange rate of the dollar and the ruble is so much lower than the real one that the PD-14 is already now, at the stage of pilot production, cheaper than its analogues.
      Only this is not because of the good life of the workers and the good equipment of production facilities, but simply because of the flawed energy economy as a whole.
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 16: 02
        -4
        The dollar exchange rate does not matter here, because the enterprises are state-owned. Any price can be set, at least one ruble, and the unprofitable plant will be financed from the budget.
        1. Bobrick
          Bobrick 21 December 2020 16: 16
          0
          Everything would be good, only the cost of one hell consists of low wages for workers, the cost of operating 40-year-old equipment mixed with outdated CNC machines, etc. and at this very cost, the engine is not so expensive, something about 200 million rubles (it is still cheaper than CFM-56 in dollars).

          Under capitalism, the state does not support openly useless projects. And the plant itself, although on the verge of profitability, is not bankrupt - the main orders for gas pumping units are quite private (about 80% of the proceeds).
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 16: 23
            -4
            Well, I repeat - you can count any value. You can ignore the development costs in the price, you can ignore the conditionally fixed costs. We have not seen these calculations.
            1. Bobrick
              Bobrick 21 December 2020 16: 41
              +1
              Well, damn it, you give, fixed costs are so taken into account in the course of the company's normal activities and transferred to all the company's products (and this is not only PD-14, but also GP-1, GP-2, GP-3, GP-2,5, as well as the proceeds from the implementation of replacements, repairs, the manufacture of aircraft engines, etc.), since quite comparable products are manufactured both in terms of purpose and in terms of production requirements and, to a great extent, in terms of equipment.
              The same applies to development costs - the design bureau is also engaged in other activities (from design support to the modification of existing samples) to which this cost and partly development costs are also transferred.

              And without all this to count, it is not possible to get this, up to the unprofitability of the project and with 1000 manufactured products.
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 16: 51
                -4
                Well, do you know exactly how you counted it?
                1. Bobrick
                  Bobrick 21 December 2020 17: 14
                  +2
                  And on what basis you first declare, let's start with this.
                  And how could this already be considered a disclosure of commercial secrets.
                  1. Sancho_SP
                    Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 17: 23
                    -2
                    Small-scale production is always more expensive, even if the development cost is not included in the price. And development - 35 budget billion, has already been paid for.
                    1. Bobrick
                      Bobrick 21 December 2020 17: 52
                      +2
                      As they thought, I will not say - I was only interested in the approximate cost of the gas generator. Approximately the same was stated to the customers of the gas turbine unit - they were not very enthusiastic - the gas generator based on PS-90 is 2 times cheaper, and the resource increased by 2 times already looks meaningless (with an average rate of operation of the gas compressor unit at Gazprom about 53% of the total annual time, even GP based on PS-90 have a resource for twenty years of work).

                      And somewhere in the network there is a total cost figure of about 80 billion.So, at these costs and at about the same thousand gas generators (actually the number of PS-90 gas generators produced, the replacement of which is required in about 20 years), the price is quite real and reasonable ...

                      And the fact that it is, even in the current production, is most likely cheaper is justified simply by the unrealistic price of its Western counterparts (the price of one CFM-56 unit is $ 10 million, with an absolutely incredible number of engines produced, more than 30 thousand of all modifications).
                      1. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 18: 03
                        -3
                        That is, will the GTU consumers pay for the development? That is, again from taxes ...
                      2. Bobrick
                        Bobrick 21 December 2020 18: 17
                        +1
                        Nevertheless, the rent that all persons involved in the economy pay for the orientation of the country's economy to the sale of energy resources can only be called a tax very conditionally, and even then, only because of the severity and universality of such a levy.

                        And be that as it may, but Gazprom and other consumers of gas turbines (Rosneft, Lukoil and others) for a very long time had a very real profit, from which they sponsored at least the preservation of a part of the industrial potential (Gazprom, for example, did not purchase imported gas turbines) ...
                        All the same, power gas turbines (for generating electricity, which can be conditionally attributed to taxes) began to be installed only with the Putin program of gasification of the country, which began in the middle or from the end of the 0s, and oil and gas companies remain the main consumers of gas turbines even now.
  • Kuz
    Kuz 21 December 2020 16: 03
    +17
    Quote: Sancho_SP
    Own engines will be more expensive anyway. The only question is where exactly we will overpay for them: buying tickets or paying taxes

    You are a little wrong. Ukraine, for example, refused to apply after well-known events. And all the savings were immediately covered. Where is the guarantee that this will not happen again with a Western supplier?
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 21 December 2020 16: 04
      -4
      And there are no guarantees. I am not saying that you don't need your own engines. I say that they will be more expensive in the end.
  • Dmitry V.
    Dmitry V. 21 December 2020 13: 05
    0
    Yes, God forbid, that would have turned out.
    We always first declare "their own record", and then it turns out that it is well, very bad in operation or reliability - like the same PS-90A, which even in the flight squadron Russia was scolded for unreliability (and they do not fly as intensively as Civil Aviation Board).
    Only operation will show reliability.

    On January 4, 2001, the management of the Aeroflot airline held an emergency meeting in connection with the disruptions in the airline's work that occurred in late December-early January. Decrease in reliability of PS-2000A engines was named among the reasons for violations of the aircraft schedule in 90, in connection with which claims were brought against Perm Engine Company and Aviadvigatel.

    A friend of mine flew on such a PS-90 from Beijing in 2007, from the board "shavings in the engine" - thank God.
    The purpose of creating PS-90A2 is to further increase the competitiveness of Russian engines by increasing their reliability and increasing the resource.
    The main advantage of PS-90A2 is a significant reduction in operating costs. The life cycle cost of the engine will decrease by 90% in comparison with PS-40A. Alexander Inozemtsev, General Director - General Designer of Aviadvigatel
    1. mark1
      mark1 21 December 2020 15: 01
      +2
      A2 enemy technologies that pratt-whitney after leaving Perm does not allow us to sell to the side, so now A3.
  • certero
    certero 21 December 2020 14: 07
    +2
    Quote: Temples
    Our huge country should have been the first transport infrastructure for a long time.

    If you think about people, then it's time to revive regional air travel.
    The need for aircraft is huge

    I agree. Now it is probably difficult for a new generation to believe that relatively recently, even in large state farms or villages, there were airfields from which it was possible to fly to the regional center.
    only aviation can ensure continuous connectivity of such a large country as Russia
  • senima56
    senima56 21 December 2020 14: 53
    0
    God help our engineers! good Good luck! drinks And not to slow down, but to increase! good
  • Bobrick
    Bobrick 21 December 2020 14: 54
    0
    It's so good that the writer did not see the state of the PMZ's production facilities.
    And to put it mildly, everything is sad. More seriously, the constructors describe the state with obscenities.
  • Artunis
    Artunis 21 December 2020 15: 25
    +1
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    do not care about the promoted, often mythical "competitiveness". We can fly on whatever we want!

    Warriors, yes. They can afford it.
    Civilians do not want to, but have to count money.
    Or are you ready to fly from Moscow to conditional Kazan at the price of a flight from Berlin to New York?

    And here it is not at all about engines and their efficiency, but about the economy and pricing, these are two big differences! The price of a flight from Berlin to Paris (conditionally) is sometimes only a few euros and it very little depends on the economy of the aircraft engines.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2020 16: 54
    0
    I am very happy for Russia and the production of a new aircraft engine. But here's what I want to understand before singing the praises of how much it is technologically advanced and what resource, how much decibel it gives out, how economical is it when compared with the same peer in the Pratt & Whitney class? While all these joyful exclamations, I am very confused
  • Genry
    Genry 21 December 2020 18: 35
    +1
    Quote: Bobrick
    Simply, after this decision, there are two chairs: one on the left (with one eternally alive), the other on the right (with the "great Russian people" and, "everyone should do their own thing," that is, the rich - to rule) - which one will you choose?

    And what do you have to choose - something that you got rid of. Are you a rake mania?

    There should be both private property and hired labor - but the state should be the richest oligarch and the strongest, respectively (stronger than the sum of all other oligarchs).
    In the USSR, the principle of the strength of the state was, but there was no economic freedom of the population. There was no competitive development of the state. and the private sector. The principle of minimum general social support (medicine, education, social lift) must be mandatory - higher for a fee.

    What more to you?
  • iouris
    iouris 21 December 2020 18: 37
    -1
    It is wonderful. However, there are direct competitors to Rolls-Royce and General Motors. Or are we only competing with the USSR? By the way, what resource? The resource of our engines has always been a weak point.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 21 December 2020 22: 52
    0
    God forbid! Maybe we can fix a giant rake called SSJ-100. All this stupid manilovism aside, roll up your sleeves - and work! Only in this way will we be respected for ourselves, and for all our "partners" ...
    1. MelkorAintGood
      MelkorAintGood 21 December 2020 23: 36
      0
      What's wrong with the SSJ plane? At least it flies and is already fully serial, unlike
  • faterdom
    faterdom 22 December 2020 00: 08
    +3
    Quote: MelkorAintGood
    What's wrong with the SSJ plane? At least it flies and is already fully serial, unlike

    The topic is large and separate.
    What they wanted from this project, how much they invested, and what they got in the end.
    In short, from popular videos, you can say: "This is a fiasco, bro!"
    That is, knowing the result in advance, it was better not to start. And the main problem, you will laugh, is the engines. Although, after the disaster with 40 victims, there are still questions with the manual controls, and the safety during emergency landing, and the certification system. This is only the first thing that came to my mind. Enough? But for the sake of him, an almost finished new Tu shka was left, which was largely domestic and even orders for it were already outlined.
    Here is such a mistake, which, by the way, has not yet been recognized by anyone. This means that it can be repeated many times.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 22 December 2020 22: 12
      +2
      there are still questions with the manual controls, and safety during an emergency landing,

      The main reason for this is Aeroflot's savings on training pilots who required be able to land in manual mode. But, as the classic wrote - "for the sake of 30% of the profits, the bourgeois will go to any crime."
  • sgr291158
    sgr291158 22 December 2020 05: 35
    0
    Your engine is very good. If only the comrades from overseas did not begin to mischief as usual.
    1. bk316
      bk316 22 December 2020 19: 14
      +2
      If only the comrades from overseas did not begin to mischief as usual.

      What do you mean if only they didn't start? They will definitely start, you have to get used to it.
  • Sckepsis
    Sckepsis 22 December 2020 07: 31
    -3

    But it is the construction of the PD-14 that suggests that Russia is returning to the world high-tech market.

    Very, very strange logic. Hypersound, titanium submarines, compact nuclear reactors? Pfff, nonsense! But the civilian engine ...
  • Basarev
    Basarev 22 December 2020 07: 54
    -1
    The West can still easily discount our efforts by stricter noise and environmental requirements. It's too early to rejoice.
  • bar
    bar 22 December 2020 10: 09
    +2
    At one time, the Soviet Union was in this honorary club, and Russia rested on its former laurels for many decades.

    Russia did not rest on its laurels. Russia was climbing out of post-perestroika devastation. What laurels are there ... sad
  • bar
    bar 22 December 2020 10: 13
    +1
    The vast majority of modern by-pass turbojet engines in Russia have their roots in the Soviet past.

    The vast majority of any modern engine is rooted deep in the past. These roots are called "design school". From scratch, only the Chinese are trying to create something from scratch. But due to the lack of those very horses, they are not very successful so far.
    PS
    In technical terms, the article is certainly interesting, but the literary delights are a little jarring.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 22 December 2020 10: 35
    0
    great breakthrough in the field of aircraft engines, but for the BE200 there is also an engine?
  • Podvodnik
    Podvodnik 22 December 2020 18: 10
    0
    These motors were manufactured in Perm back in 2018, but only now they are in demand. Two more motors were assembled last year,


    And who was removed / shot for this? With such a "conveyor" the motors will be "golden".
  • The eye of the crying
    The eye of the crying 26 December 2020 19: 43
    0
    the construction of PD-14 suggests that Russia is returning to the world high-tech market.


    Russia will return to the market when someone buys PD-14.
  • Glenni
    Glenni 27 December 2020 21: 08
    0
    In the photo there is a fuel pump outside the engine, what kind of design solution is this? Why not on the motor housing itself?
  • Ilya77
    Ilya77 29 December 2020 11: 33
    0
    I would like to add: the PD-14 grew out of the PS-12 engine, the development of which was carried out since 1999 and flowed into the PD-14. Anyone interested can read here: http://www.aviapanorama.narod.ru/journal/2005_5/ms21.htm
  • Motor depot
    Motor depot 29 December 2020 14: 48
    0
    Everything is extremely long, very slow and meager amount.
    50 pcs. a year, that's 25 aircraft. For our huge country, this is simply nothing.
  • misti1973
    misti1973 11 January 2021 11: 27
    0
    This is very good, but the planes need time too.
  • Komdiv100
    Komdiv100 16 January 2021 20: 29
    0
    The mention of the Armata tank smiled among the achievements. And how many have been done? Two or more?
  • tivivlat
    tivivlat 23 February 2021 13: 43
    0
    ANY engine that creates vacuum-air pressure, in the direction of motion, -HYPERSONIC
  • Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 24 February 2021 23: 25
    +1
    Quote: yehat2
    Early rejoice.

    And yet we are glad!
    In spite of everything, Russia is reviving its own production of civil aviation.
    After decades of humiliation and total hopelessness, civil aviation is taking over the domestic wing.
  • pylon101
    pylon101 25 February 2021 19: 11
    0
    I may be wrong, but you republished an earlier article.
    Meanwhile, I am worried that after December 004 I have not performed a single flight.
    Correct if I'm wrong.