Altay tanks can only remain in demo format: Turkey accused Germany of breaking the contract

The consequences of the introduction of anti-Turkish sanctions are manifesting themselves. Recall that at first the embargo on the supply of arms and accessories to Turkey was introduced in a number of EU countries, as well as in Canada (at different times), and then the United States came out with sanctions against Ankara. Moreover, the arguments are different: for Europe, this is Turkey's policy in the eastern Mediterranean, in Syria against the Kurds and in Karabakh, and for the United States, the acquisition of S-400 systems from the Russian Federation and their testing.

A spokesman for Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party said that Germany “thwarted its obligations to Ankara under the contract to establish tanks Altay ". According to him, the serial production of these tanks was postponed "due to the position of Germany."

Altay tanks are created in Turkey under the program of interaction with foreign suppliers of certain components. German companies, it is said, did not make deliveries on time and refuse to fulfill their obligations under the contract.

It should be recalled here that Germany has an embargo on Turkey weapons and components introduced back in 2017 and supports it to this day. Ankara said that due to the position of Germany, the start of mass production of Altay tanks is postponed by at least a year. However, Turkish military experts believe that in the current situation, 2021 is unlikely to be the year when Turkey will begin mass production of Altai.

The problems arose primarily due to the German MTU MT883 engines. They are simply not supplied from Germany, although the contract was signed for 250 power plants. To overcome this problem, Turkish companies began negotiations with South Korea, which could supply Ankara with its own engines. But whether Korea will agree to this after the sanctions against Turkey have already been imposed in the United States is a big question.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the contract for the supply of tank engines from Germany to Turkey contains the name of Omer Demir. And he is the son of Ismail Demir, head of the Defense Industry Directorate, against whom the United States imposed its sanctions. In this regard, it is stated that Altay tanks can only remain in the format of demonstration copies.

Presentation video about the Turkish tank "Altai" from 2016 (draws attention to the fact that 4 years ago they wrote about the alleged readiness of the tank for serial production):

Comments

[apro]

Who would have thought ... that a NATO member would be bent like that ...

[Lech from Android.]

Old lady Merkel bent the Sultan ... how epic it is.
Reminds the story of Medvedev and Sarkozy ... now the Turks got it from the Germans ... the damned Europeans are cheating.
Their word is nothing.

[aszzz888]

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Old lady Merkel bent the Sultan ... how epic it is.
Reminds the story of Medvedev and Sarkozy ... now the Turks got it from the Germans ... the damned Europeans are cheating.
Their word is nothing.

! I think it won't work that way (my post is below)

[Alex777]

Germany uses sanctions very selectively. They bypass Project 214 boats.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: apro

Who would have thought ... that a NATO member would be bent like that ...

The lower the better ... As for me, I wish all the "members" uninterrupted and productive continuation of the "intrauterine" showdown.

[Insurgent]

Quote: apro

Who would have thought ... that a NATO member would be bent like that ...

If you bend it hard, you can break it ...

[Cheshire]

If you bend it hard, you can break it ...

Yeah. Only not a NATO member, but NATO itself ...

[Victor_B]

And ... count on your uncle!
In the military sphere!
Russia danced on this rake and started import substitution in full.
For the war - only your own!
(In this case, trophy should not be squeamish!)

[XXXIII]

Quote: Victor_B

(In this case, trophy should not be squeamish!)

Of course, someone else's experience is also useful. In the Second World War, the best intelligence specialists hunted for this.

[Graz]

well, it's good, because the Turks won't have a modern tank, it's only easier for us,

I really think that the Turks will break through several channels at once both in Ukraine, and in our country and in China (there really are not many chances because of the Uighur issue)

[Orkraider]

Welcome.

They have been piercing for 4 years, it does not work))
After the refusal of the Germans from MTU, they refused
Austrians from the AVL List, then refused by the British from Perkins ala Caterpillar, the Turks went to Korea.
But what will they buy from the Koreans? Their engine on the K2 is still aggregated by the German Renk, the Koreans are still adjusting their box, and in light of the news that the Koreans have signed a contract for the next batch of K2 with the German box as before, ). Long wait for them. On renk, the Germans will not give permission to re-export to the Koreans for Turkey.

It is rather not China that remains, but Kharkov.

[Herman 4223]

We can sell if anything. We have a proven B2.

[Petro_tut]

Does Ukraine have engines for a 63-ton tank?

[Holgerton]

The 6TD series and its modern derivatives of the mid 2000s - early 2010s, from 1000 to 1500 hp, when forcing there is a prospect for 1600-1800 hp.
For example, 6TD-2 (1200 hp) is still purchased by Pakistan, they say that the latest series of this engine pleasantly surprised Turkish military advisers during various visits.
Most likely, if the Turks work on this engine, they will certainly improve the basic parameters, the machine-building industry receives large subventions and investments from them, and is developing well.

[GKA72]

Ukrainians will sell like China for 2 kopecks.

[Aerodrome]

not an "expert" at all, but what is not heard, the gun "Abram" German ..? Not), Detroit is the homeland of the "Abrams". It is half-started.policyinet, there is no population. There is no production, everything is bad, the cars are not released, the current of the gang, devastation, poverty and banditry. what the fuck tanks?

[Morrow]

Why aren't cars released?

[The leader of the Redskins]

The dilemma before old man Erdogan. You can't backtrack here - you need to come up with a different trick with your ears.

[Rusticolus]

Yes, there is no need to think, he will collect all the Kurds and the suitcase-barge-Germany ... in one way.

[saigon]

Why, what is it like tanks, but to hell with them.
Gentlemen and comrades, but I remember right not long ago on VO, some citizens of advanced military views branded retrogrades, arguing that tanks are from the past century and are fucking unnecessary.
So there are no dilemmas before the Sultan - Tanks in the second metal and rivet the UAV, rivet and win like a legendary hero from the skies of adversaries.)))))

[The leader of the Redskins]

Well, Taip then VO probably does not read and the conclusions of our sofa experts are not known to him ... Not a wise person, in general.

[Sergey_G_M]

The trick is that Turkish UAVs have foreign engines too, and whether they can rivet them is a big question.

[Fedor Sokolov]

This is what happens when your military-industrial complex is 80% dependent on the supply of imported components. But an even worse situation could await us, given the fact that Serdyukov entered into contracts with NATO countries for the purchase of military equipment for the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense.

[evgen1221]

Let them agree with ukrami about the reverse - this is all possible and goodbye

[rocket757]

The consequences of the introduction of anti-Turkish sanctions are manifesting themselves.

The Sultan and those who follow him choose their own path ... time will tell where this path will lead.

[askort154]

..... an embargo on the supply of arms and components to Turkey was introduced in a number of EU countries, as well as in Canada (at different times), and then the United States came out with sanctions against Ankara.

Sultan-Erdogan, like a bull on a corrido, rushes across the field unpredictably.
And the role of the bullfighter is now taken over by England. All the rest sit in the audience box.

[Tsoy]

Koreans are not doing better with K2. The program to replace the German part of the engine failed this year. The Korean company that created analogues of the German product could not achieve the required resource. All black panthers will remain with Deutsche parts, so there is no point in going to Seoul.

[Sergei 23]

Altay tanks can only remain in demo format - just great news, .... and you can't buy tomatoes from them!

[parusnik]

This is what the absence of its own engine building means in the country.

[maxim1987]

Let them order Ukrov from their "great" allies in Kharkov. Quality is guaranteed

[Svetlana]

it will be so.

[aszzz888]

A spokesman for Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party said Germany had "thwarted its commitments to Ankara under the contract to build Altay tanks."

So what's the matter? Send from Turkey, in the first case to nemchura, with half a million migrants, and all the components will be overfulfilled. There will be delays in the delivery schedule - the second half.

[olhon]

Cool wedge heel.

[Zaurbek]

They seemed to be supplied for Turkish needs, the problem was in export tanks and self-propelled guns. But here the thing is:
1. If you want to conduct an independent policy, be prepared that not everyone likes it.
2. MTU shareholders include American companies. It is not very Germanic.

[Svetlana]

Well .. a holy place is never empty. Both Russia and Ukraine can help with motors. And in light of recent events, it will most likely be Ukraine. Motors in one direction, drones in the other. Scientific and technical exchange, so to speak.

[Graz]

you forget one thing. This is a shout from the Washington regional committee from Biden's grandfather

[Svetlana]

hmm .. yes, maybe

[zwlad]

Ukraine has already "helped" the Chinese with aircraft engines.

[7,62x54]

Perhaps again friend Vladimir will help for some concessions.

[zwlad]

Yeah. The Turks flew by with the engine. And they have no options. To whom do not put either sanctions or scammers.

[TermNachTer]

So let's see how powerful the economy and science are in Turkey))) and then, here some tovarischi wrote that the Turks can do everything themselves, only they have not learned to strike matches yet)))

[the same doctor]

They respected contracts only when there was an alternative in the form of the USSR. And now there is no competition - you can inflate prices and use the monopoly position for political purposes.

[_Ugene_]

Ankara said that due to the position of Germany, the start of mass production of Altay tanks is postponed by at least a year.

And where will they get the engine in a year? they have already been refused, and they write about Korea in vain, there again will not work without the permission of the Germans

[Evil 55]

Well, the Sultan has no flexibility .. Order in China, taking into account 3 MTUKTurkiy ICEs on the car, put and shout about full readiness for assembly line assembly at the expense of their capabilities .. And the boshes themselves will come, bend and ask to share technologies.

[Basarev]

The Turks could buy our T-90s. The point to show off when neighbors have pitiful fifty-five?