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Altay tanks can only remain in demo format: Turkey accused Germany of breaking the contract

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Altay tanks can only remain in demo format: Turkey accused Germany of breaking the contract

The consequences of the introduction of anti-Turkish sanctions are manifesting themselves. Recall that at first the embargo on the supply of arms and accessories to Turkey was introduced in a number of EU countries, as well as in Canada (at different times), and then the United States came out with sanctions against Ankara. Moreover, the arguments are different: for Europe, this is Turkey's policy in the eastern Mediterranean, in Syria against the Kurds and in Karabakh, and for the United States, the acquisition of S-400 systems from the Russian Federation and their testing.


A spokesman for Turkey’s ruling Justice and Development Party said that Germany “thwarted its obligations to Ankara under the contract to establish tanks Altay ". According to him, the serial production of these tanks was postponed "due to the position of Germany."

Altay tanks are created in Turkey under the program of interaction with foreign suppliers of certain components. German companies, it is said, did not make deliveries on time and refuse to fulfill their obligations under the contract.

It should be recalled here that Germany has an embargo on Turkey weapons and components introduced back in 2017 and supports it to this day. Ankara said that due to the position of Germany, the start of mass production of Altay tanks is postponed by at least a year. However, Turkish military experts believe that in the current situation, 2021 is unlikely to be the year when Turkey will begin mass production of Altai.

The problems arose primarily due to the German MTU MT883 engines. They are simply not supplied from Germany, although the contract was signed for 250 power plants. To overcome this problem, Turkish companies began negotiations with South Korea, which could supply Ankara with its own engines. But whether Korea will agree to this after the sanctions against Turkey have already been imposed in the United States is a big question.

Attention is drawn to the fact that the contract for the supply of tank engines from Germany to Turkey contains the name of Omer Demir. And he is the son of Ismail Demir, head of the Defense Industry Directorate, against whom the United States imposed its sanctions. In this regard, it is stated that Altay tanks can only remain in the format of demonstration copies.

Presentation video about the Turkish tank "Altai" from 2016 (draws attention to the fact that 4 years ago they wrote about the alleged readiness of the tank for serial production):

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  1. apro
    apro 17 December 2020 07: 31
    +10
    Who would have thought ... that a NATO member would be bent like that ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 December 2020 07: 41
      +5
      Old lady Merkel bent the Sultan ... how epic it is.
      Reminds the story of Medvedev and Sarkozy ... now the Turks got it from the Germans ... the damned Europeans are cheating.
      Their word is nothing.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 17 December 2020 08: 39
        -5
        Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
        Today, 07: 41
        NEW

        0
        Old lady Merkel bent the Sultan ... how epic it is.
        Reminds the story of Medvedev and Sarkozy ... now the Turks got it from the Germans ... the damned Europeans are cheating.
        Their word is nothing.
        hi ! I think it won't work that way (my post is below) wink
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 17 December 2020 09: 29
          +2
          Germany uses sanctions very selectively. They bypass Project 214 boats. hi
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 17 December 2020 07: 45
      +10
      Quote: apro
      Who would have thought ... that a NATO member would be bent like that ...
      The lower the better ... As for me, I wish all the "members" uninterrupted and productive continuation of the "intrauterine" showdown.
    3. Insurgent
      Insurgent 17 December 2020 07: 55
      +6
      Quote: apro
      Who would have thought ... that a NATO member would be bent like that ...

      If you bend it hard, you can break it ...
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 18 December 2020 06: 06
        0
        If you bend it hard, you can break it ...

        Yeah. Only not a NATO member, but NATO itself ... hi
  2. Victor_B
    Victor_B 17 December 2020 07: 38
    +7
    And ... count on your uncle!
    In the military sphere!
    Russia danced on this rake and started import substitution in full.
    For the war - only your own!
    (In this case, trophy should not be squeamish!)
    1. XXXIII
      XXXIII 17 December 2020 08: 23
      +4
      Quote: Victor_B
      (In this case, trophy should not be squeamish!)

      Of course, someone else's experience is also useful. In the Second World War, the best intelligence specialists hunted for this.
  3. Graz
    Graz 17 December 2020 07: 41
    +9
    well, it's good, because the Turks won't have a modern tank, it's only easier for us,

    I really think that the Turks will break through several channels at once both in Ukraine, and in our country and in China (there really are not many chances because of the Uighur issue)
    1. Orkraider
      Orkraider 17 December 2020 09: 03
      +7
      Welcome.
      hi
      They have been piercing for 4 years, it does not work))
      After the refusal of the Germans from MTU, they refused
      Austrians from the AVL List, then refused by the British from Perkins ala Caterpillar, the Turks went to Korea.
      But what will they buy from the Koreans? Their engine on the K2 is still aggregated by the German Renk, the Koreans are still adjusting their box, and in light of the news that the Koreans have signed a contract for the next batch of K2 with the German box as before, request ). Long wait for them. On renk, the Germans will not give permission to re-export to the Koreans for Turkey.

      It is rather not China that remains, but Kharkov.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 17 December 2020 09: 59
        -1
        We can sell if anything. We have a proven B2.
      2. Petro_tut
        Petro_tut 17 December 2020 18: 49
        -1
        Does Ukraine have engines for a 63-ton tank?
        1. Holgerton
          Holgerton 19 December 2020 02: 41
          0
          The 6TD series and its modern derivatives of the mid 2000s - early 2010s, from 1000 to 1500 hp, when forcing there is a prospect for 1600-1800 hp.
          For example, 6TD-2 (1200 hp) is still purchased by Pakistan, they say that the latest series of this engine pleasantly surprised Turkish military advisers during various visits.
          Most likely, if the Turks work on this engine, they will certainly improve the basic parameters, the machine-building industry receives large subventions and investments from them, and is developing well.
    2. GKA72
      GKA72 17 December 2020 11: 05
      0
      Ukrainians will sell like China for 2 kopecks.
  4. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 17 December 2020 07: 41
    -4
    not an "expert" at all, but what is not heard, the gun "Abram" German ..? Not), Detroit is the homeland of the "Abrams". It is half-started.policyinet, there is no population. There is no production, everything is bad, the cars are not released, the current of the gang, devastation, poverty and banditry. what the fuck tanks?
    1. Morrrow
      Morrrow 17 December 2020 09: 15
      0
      Why aren't cars released?
  5. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 17 December 2020 07: 43
    +1
    The dilemma before old man Erdogan. You can't backtrack here - you need to come up with a different trick with your ears.
    1. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 17 December 2020 08: 24
      0
      Yes, there is no need to think, he will collect all the Kurds and the suitcase-barge-Germany ... in one way.
    2. saigon
      saigon 17 December 2020 08: 34
      +9
      Why, what is it like tanks, but to hell with them.
      Gentlemen and comrades, but I remember right not long ago on VO, some citizens of advanced military views branded retrogrades, arguing that tanks are from the past century and are fucking unnecessary.
      So there are no dilemmas before the Sultan - Tanks in the second metal and rivet the UAV, rivet and win like a legendary hero from the skies of adversaries.)))))
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 17 December 2020 08: 39
        +3
        Well, Taip then VO probably does not read and the conclusions of our sofa experts are not known to him ... Not a wise person, in general.
      2. Sergey_G_M
        Sergey_G_M 17 December 2020 09: 12
        +1
        The trick is that Turkish UAVs have foreign engines too, and whether they can rivet them is a big question.
  6. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 17 December 2020 07: 46
    +8
    This is what happens when your military-industrial complex is 80% dependent on the supply of imported components. But an even worse situation could await us, given the fact that Serdyukov entered into contracts with NATO countries for the purchase of military equipment for the needs of the Russian Ministry of Defense.
  7. evgen1221
    evgen1221 17 December 2020 07: 56
    +2
    Let them agree with ukrami about the reverse - this is all possible and goodbye
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 17 December 2020 07: 56
    +2
    The consequences of the introduction of anti-Turkish sanctions are manifesting themselves.

    The Sultan and those who follow him choose their own path ... time will tell where this path will lead.
  9. askort154
    askort154 17 December 2020 08: 02
    +2
    ..... an embargo on the supply of arms and components to Turkey was introduced in a number of EU countries, as well as in Canada (at different times), and then the United States came out with sanctions against Ankara.

    Sultan-Erdogan, like a bull on a corrido, rushes across the field unpredictably.
    And the role of the bullfighter is now taken over by England. All the rest sit in the audience box.
  10. Tsoy
    Tsoy 17 December 2020 08: 02
    +4
    Koreans are not doing better with K2. The program to replace the German part of the engine failed this year. The Korean company that created analogues of the German product could not achieve the required resource. All black panthers will remain with Deutsche parts, so there is no point in going to Seoul.
  11. Sergei 23
    Sergei 23 17 December 2020 08: 03
    +5
    Altay tanks can only remain in demo format - just great news, .... and you can't buy tomatoes from them!
  12. parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2020 08: 05
    +4
    This is what the absence of its own engine building means in the country.
  13. maxim1987
    maxim1987 17 December 2020 08: 26
    +2
    Let them order Ukrov from their "great" allies in Kharkov. Quality is guaranteed wink
    1. Svetlana
      Svetlana 17 December 2020 09: 05
      +1
      it will be so.
  14. aszzz888
    aszzz888 17 December 2020 08: 36
    -3
    A spokesman for Turkey's ruling Justice and Development Party said Germany had "thwarted its commitments to Ankara under the contract to build Altay tanks."
    So what's the matter? request Send from Turkey, in the first case to nemchura, with half a million migrants, and all the components will be overfulfilled. wassat There will be delays in the delivery schedule - the second half. bully
  15. olhon
    olhon 17 December 2020 08: 38
    0
    Cool wedge heel.
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 December 2020 08: 52
    +2
    They seemed to be supplied for Turkish needs, the problem was in export tanks and self-propelled guns. But here the thing is:
    1. If you want to conduct an independent policy, be prepared that not everyone likes it.
    2. MTU shareholders include American companies. It is not very Germanic.
  17. Svetlana
    Svetlana 17 December 2020 09: 02
    +2
    Well .. a holy place is never empty. Both Russia and Ukraine can help with motors. And in light of recent events, it will most likely be Ukraine. Motors in one direction, drones in the other. Scientific and technical exchange, so to speak.
    1. Graz
      Graz 17 December 2020 09: 25
      +1
      you forget one thing. This is a shout from the Washington regional committee from Biden's grandfather
      1. Svetlana
        Svetlana 17 December 2020 10: 12
        +1
        hmm .. yes, maybe
    2. zwlad
      zwlad 17 December 2020 10: 32
      +1
      Ukraine has already "helped" the Chinese with aircraft engines.
  18. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 17 December 2020 09: 40
    +5
    Perhaps again friend Vladimir will help for some concessions.
  19. zwlad
    zwlad 17 December 2020 10: 31
    +2
    Yeah. The Turks flew by with the engine. And they have no options. To whom do not put either sanctions or scammers.
  20. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 17 December 2020 10: 48
    0
    So let's see how powerful the economy and science are in Turkey))) and then, here some tovarischi wrote that the Turks can do everything themselves, only they have not learned to strike matches yet)))
  21. the same doctor
    the same doctor 17 December 2020 11: 35
    +1
    They respected contracts only when there was an alternative in the form of the USSR. And now there is no competition - you can inflate prices and use the monopoly position for political purposes.
  22. _Ugene_
    _Ugene_ 17 December 2020 16: 43
    0
    Ankara said that due to the position of Germany, the start of mass production of Altay tanks is postponed by at least a year.
    And where will they get the engine in a year? they have already been refused, and they write about Korea in vain, there again will not work without the permission of the Germans
  23. Evil 55
    Evil 55 17 December 2020 18: 32
    0
    Well, the Sultan has no flexibility .. Order in China, taking into account 3 MTUKTurkiy ICEs on the car, put and shout about full readiness for assembly line assembly at the expense of their capabilities .. And the boshes themselves will come, bend and ask to share technologies.
  24. Basarev
    Basarev 18 December 2020 22: 36
    -1
    The Turks could buy our T-90s. The point to show off when neighbors have pitiful fifty-five?