Russian fighter of the fifth generation Su-57 can get a two-seat version

The Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, this option is being considered in the interests of a foreign customer. Andrey Yelchaninov, First Deputy Chairman of the Board of the Military-Industrial Commission of the Russian Federation, spoke about this in an interview with Interfax.

According to Yelchaninov, the Russian military-industrial complex is capable of creating a two-seat version of the Su-57 for foreign buyers. In addition, the Russian Ministry of Defense is also considering a two-seater version of a new fighter for arming the Russian Aerospace Forces.

It is possible that a two-seater version of this aircraft will be in demand for export. We are able to create it: now this need is being rethought by both our Ministry of Defense and potential customers.

- he said.

According to Yelchaninov, Russia is actually ready to bring the Su-57 to the foreign market. Currently, negotiations are underway with potential buyers of the fighter.

(...) various delivery options are being considered: separate aircraft and aircraft with a full range of weapons, with an after-sales service system. In addition, at the request of the customer, the appearance of the aircraft can be modified. So we are confidently talking about the export prospects of the Su-57

- he added.

Also, the first deputy chairman of the military-industrial complex collegium said that the tests of the Su-57 armament complex, including the intra-fuselage one, would be completed in 2021. He stressed that the armament includes new types of weapons that are created from scratch, including using new guidance principles.

The peculiarity of the Su-57 is that it carries not only weapon, which is already used by other types of aircraft (MiG-29, Su-30SM, Su-34), but also new types of weapons that will be used from the inside of the fuselage space. Their tests are planned to be completed in 2021 as part of the aviation armament complex.

- explained Yelchaninov.

Comments

[svp67]

But now I do not understand, but why "CAN"? It should have a two-seater version, at least as a UBS, not to mention the fact that in the second cockpit you can put the control operator of the same "Hunters" and their weapons

[figwam]

MS-21 took off, Il-114 took off, when will the first serial Su-57 take off?

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

when will the first serial Su-57 take off?

He took off last year, but he could not resist in the sky ...

[figwam]

Quote: svp67

He took off last year, but he could not resist in the sky ...

No, I'm interested in the aircraft accepted by the military acceptance, and not in the result of factory tests.

[svp67]

Quote: figvam

No, I'm interested in the aircraft accepted by the military acceptance

And not only to you and, something tells me that your interest will be satisfied very soon, and not in the only form

[El Chuvachino]

The first (second) serial has already taken off during testing. Soon they will.

[K-612-O]

There are 7-8 of them in Akhtubinsk, on takeoff. I suspect all the same the car is licked, as in its time a moment and drying. No need to rush (s)
And the last video from KnAAZ shows that the stocks are loaded, the process is underway

[Vladimir247]

And when the cancer hangs on the mountain. Then Armata will go too. And Sarmat will fly.

[Alex777]

Are you tired? Have a rest!

[Vladimir247]

Why don't you like it, pretty? Where is Armata? Show me?
Trembling with tongues for the seventh year ...

[Alex777]

Show me: where is Indian $ 6 billion? Or at least 3,7?
Sit still. 3 weeks on the site, already cool?

[Vladimir247]

You are disarming our army, and I have to show you something? Hee hee not ho ho?
Go and kiss your gums with Indians and green paper. Winds in the back.
Fact is fact. For a dozen years slanting, there is neither Armata, nor Su57, nor Sarmat. One father's cry: Uryayayayayaya !!!!
Write, come on, that as much as 7 pieces we have eroplanes ...

[Alex777]

The diagnosis is clear. Until!

[Dodikson]

but they don’t believe me when I write that there are gosdepovskih trollers to shit.
(not this instance, it is most likely from a 404)

[Vladimir247]

Yours for me too, pretty!

[El Chuvachino]

Why don't you ask about the Vanguard, about the Dagger? What is only Sarmat? Or is it convenient to ask only about those weapons that are at the stage of development and testing?

[Left shot]

No, he asks about the fact that the Gauleiters of Russia, who are robbing to zero, screech year after year as ready-made

[Dodikson]

you there in the State Department Che, cut off the Internet that you have not seen the armature?

[Vladimir247]

Chet you completely stupid recruited, according to the announcement ... where are the tanks of the troops?

[Dodikson]

Do you see the picture or is it even blind?
Or is it a parade on Red Square for you in the photo?
hack on your hunchbacked nose, Red Square is not a Maidan or a Khreshchatyk, it is a city, with a big city, and a big city does not look like the outskirts of a village, which kuev looks like.

[Left shot]

If there is no engine, then try it, don't try it ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: figvam

MS-21 took off, Il-114 took off, when will the first serial Su-57 take off?

It has already taken off and will be handed over to the Russian Aerospace Forces this month.

The second serial fighter Su-57 made its first flight over Komsomolsk-on-Amur. According to local social networks, "the second first Su-57" took to the skies for the first time and successfully landed.
According to the report, the first flight of the serial Su-57 took place at the KnAAZ airfield (Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant). Earlier, the aircraft plant promised that the plane would take off by the end of October. The transfer of the fighter to the Ministry of Defense will take place before the end of the year.

In social networks, this Su-57 was called "the second first serial", since the first serial fifth-generation fighter from an installation batch of two aircraft for the Russian Aerospace Forces crashed on December 24, 2019 during a test flight. After this incident, all flights of the Su-57 were suspended.

https://topwar.ru/176630-vtoroj-serijnyj-istrebitel-su-57-ustanovochnoj-partii-sovershil-pervyj-polet.html

[Vladimir247]

Joke.
Petka runs into the hut: Vasil Ivanovich, tanks!
There's a grenade behind the stove, Petka, take it, drive it away.

Petka is back, wiping his forehead. Vasily Ivanovich asks: drove away?
Drove away.
Put the grenade back.

Have got already with this SU 57. Put it in place, and calm down.
As long as the kids are in the Kremlin, we will have nothing. Does anyone else believe otherwise?

[Dodikson]

Well, since they got you so, then we are doing everything right.

[Vladimir247]

Yes Yes. Only there are no tanks. Do you work well, and the State Department is giving up the prize?

[Dodikson]

Yes, there are no Abrams in Russia. and this is due to the fact that our MO works well. and you already have mattresses at 404 for a long time at home

[Left shot]

We don't need the Abramsses, where is what the Kremlin colonial clowns have been reporting about for 10 years?

[Dodikson]

and now the same thing, only in Russian.

[Left shot]

I wrote very competently and clearly in Russian. What is your native language?

[Dodikson]

print your comment and show it to strangers (you can explain to them that the Abrams is an American tank), and ask them if they understood anything at all?

[Left shot]

Just call a competent person who speaks Russian, and he will clarify the question for you. Although, there is a suspicion that you understood everything.

[Dodikson]

you have porridge instead of text, which does not contain any meaning at all.
Separately, the sentences make sense, but they are combined into a mess that makes no sense.
for example, what's in your text

We don't need the Abramsses, where is what the Kremlin colonial clowns have been reporting about for 10 years?

"We don't need Abrams, where is that", where is that? where is where? if I had put a comma after not "somewhere", but after "10 years", it would make sense, the point was that we have not needed abrams for 10 years already, it is really unclear why only 10 years, if they are here at all NEVER needed.
or as you wrote "somewhere that the Kremlin colonial clowns have been reporting about for 10 years?"
it would make sense that for 10 years we have been like the Kremlin clowns that are reporting, but why only 10 years (what you called the Kremlin representatives clowns to hell with him, from the liberals and the State Department I saw pearls and worse)? Or did they not broadcast this to us before? and what then again means "somewhere", and why after "somewhere" comes "what"? I understand if you were Russian, you would have written that "Kremlin clowns have been reporting for 10 years," but your "what" is clearly non-Russian.
and in general your comment does not contain the text of a Russian person, because there is no sense in it.

[figwam]

Quote: Vladimir247

Put it in place, and calm down.

You will not have, but we will have something that no one else in the world has.

[Vladimir247]

This is only exclusively in your head.
Yes, in the pockets of Usmanov and Chubais.

[Vladimir247]

Mc21 took off ...
----
Wow. What a joy! And how many times has it taken off?
At one time, carcasses flew in the sky, under a thousand pieces all over the world.
And where did it all go, who ruined it all? Is it really the Martians, and not those who settled in the Kremlin?

[bk316]

Wow. What a joy! And how many times has it taken off?

Have already worked, leave the keyboard alone.

[Vladimir247]

Come on ... go on a salary, why are you trying so hard.

[El Chuvachino]

As a UBS is not required, there are other means for this.

[Aviator_]

It must have a two-seater version, at least as a UBS,

The TK was not spelled out, therefore the subjunctive mood.

[Alex777]

The Indians wanted exactly a two-seat fighter.
So, at least they had it written down.
https://ria.ru/20101221/311670646.html

[Sanichsan]

Well Duc there and another project, already closed.

[Alex777]

Duc, and what prevents us from opening another project?
Bring to mind the single version and go.
This topic was originally the same. It is possible and necessary.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Alex777

Duc, and what prevents us from opening another project?

uh ... in the sense of "interfering"? it was opened and this other project is already quite flying.

Quote: Alex777

This topic was originally the same. It is possible and necessary.

only the merits of the Indians here are zero. so far zero, but the campaign will be calculated in nine-digit numbers

[Alex777]

only the merits of the Indians here are zero. so far zero, but the campaign will be calculated in nine-digit numbers

It's like that. So we will ask them for money for development.
The fact that they left FGFA for several years added to us.
Everything would already be and fly. But what does not kill, makes stronger.

[Zaurbek]

Critics of the case say the fifth generation is so perfect that the co-pilot is a computer. (for all types of missions). And this step may indicate that not all issues in Su57 have been resolved. Although the Indians originally wanted a 2 seater version. They also encouraged to make Su30MKI and then SM appeared. There was no Su30 in the USSR Air Force.

[Alex777]

co-pilot - computer.

It is possible. But not guaranteed.
And 2 pilots + computer is just a song.

[Zaurbek]

However, the F-35 does not have a two-seat version.

[Alex777]

And there, on the F-35, there is not enough space for 2 people.
Therefore, they hang the audience about the computer.

[Alex777]

Are you offended by the joke? In vain.

[d4rkmesa]

Now a new paradigm has appeared - for the 2nd to control (issue commands) a "flock" of drones. Well, or at least one "slave".

[Doccor18]

In addition, the Russian Ministry of Defense is also considering a two-seater version of a new fighter for arming the Russian Aerospace Forces.

And for naval aviation, a 2-seater option would be preferable.

[MMX]

Why would a 5th generation fighter need a two-seater cockpit?

[mark1]

For Hindus, all hope is given.

[Left shot]

Was the Su-57 designed for the Indians? There it is, Petrovich ...

[mark1]

Why, Kostik, did you know how it was? Well Google to help you.

[Left shot]

It's ironic, Sheldon. Wicked

[Dodikson]

Who was the FGFA for?
in 404 and the State Department are not even friends with the materiel?

[Doccor18]

Quote: MMX

Why would a 5th generation fighter need a two-seater cockpit?

Of course, one, a virtual technopilot, will do the job. But when a professional co-pilot is nearby, it only expands the capabilities of the fighter, making it truly multipurpose. He is able to coordinate the actions of a group of aircraft, conduct effective reconnaissance and electronic warfare, issue target designations, strike at ground and surface targets ...

[MMX]

Really? Well, then let's just shove about 7 people there, so that the aircraft's capabilities can be expanded completely ...
It says only one thing: the Su-57 is not a 5th generation fighter. This is a "maize in the body kit".

[mark1]

About 7 people I even agree with you +, but about the "maize" you are probably in the heat of the moment. What they want in him according to the Hindu term. another person to cram it only characterizes the customer and that's it.

[akarfoxhound]

Irony is not appropriate, you do not understand what you are being ironic about. Mattressans from 22 had a major snag, not so much in price, but in the amount of information received by a single pilot with processing it in the head and making a quick decision. Not everything that the machine gives in its recommendations for the algorithms of the "dangerous target", for example, about the order and coordination of the attack with the interacting fighter, AWAC, ship, etc. corresponds to the realities of the tactical situation. And the decision is made instantly, speed, time and materiel are not "native Lada" and are not licked by many in Tesla's dreams. The experience of the "aviation worldview" of the experienced IL-2 user, Flanker, etc. also does not channel, at all
For you, as for a person who does not have any professional worries about this topic - so "about double" is more understandable?

[Dodikson]

as it turned out that the F-22 was chosen precisely because it was cheaper.
and not because there was a large amount of information.
By the way, the OLS was removed from him just from the economy.

[akarfoxhound]

Well, for my adversary, according to the information, it was the opposite, if you remove the detailed descriptions, then in short - "complicated, as a result of the roads", and why is it needed in the same concept, but simpler for mass, then they gave birth in agony 35th. I am inclined to believe, because for my "partners" across the pond (right after the Commanders to the left) in Elmendorf, it was these "complexity" problems that arose. Data not from smishnyh murzilok. Something like this

[Dodikson]

did not understand a little, you write that the hryapa (f-22) was taken because his competitor was too complicated and therefore expensive? and therefore they also took a penguin (f-35) because it is even cheaper than grunt?
logic in what?
take a cheap one to take even cheaper?
by the way, on account of the fact that the YF-23 was more complicated and more expensive, I kind of agree, because I wrote about the same (they took the grunt because it was cheaper and the fact that the YF-23 was more perfect than the YF-22)

[akarfoxhound]

Not really, I'm not talking about the competition 22 from 23. Everything is clear there. I mean that in the 22 series it turned out to be expensive for them and for l / s, although tolerant, but "difficult", therefore they cut off the appetites of the produced batch of 22 in comparison with the originally planned one and began to play in full with the development and construction of a universal, but a simpler base of the 35th.
If we take the "analogy", such as B-2 with its production and operation, then I recall the summary (also not from the media) on the mink whales against Yugoslavia. By the time of the war, 16 aircraft were produced without completing the planned series. and for them it was expensive, at prices of the 90s somewhere around 2 billion per aircraft (if memory serves). Well, so, a couple took off from Whiteman, refueled with an escort in the air at the Royal Air Force, passed through Gibraltar, off the coast of Italy was surrounded by the care of exterminating. av / kr F-16 and F-15, plus a massive EW umbrella from EA-6 (Prowlers). A pair of B-2s, without entering the Serb air defense zone, fired off the KR and went in the opposite direction in the reverse order of support (refueling, etc.). Immediately before the "quiet" operation, NATO smoothed everything from the Serbs to the dust / air defense / firing, so that God forbid, nothing would take off, or shoot, or even illuminate, and in the process "the crowd hung" vigilantly from above.
Well, having ensured the "invisible flight of an invisible aircraft" (it seems that it should, it even has to quietly, without anyone, fly in, shoot and quietly leave) the mattress covers came to the conclusion that ensuring the impact of the aircraft / wing of the Vietnam veterans B-52 would be not only more effective, but also cheaper than all this Yugoslav badyaga B-2.
P.S. I had my thesis on the calculation and interception of the B-2 pair "in the north". I had to sweat a lot then over technical schedules with tables of my materiel and sworn partners. It is clear that I will not talk about the work here, but I will share with the conclusion - he is not such a stealth as they write on the "fence"

[Dodikson]

Now read the whole dispute from the beginning.

[akarfoxhound]

You did not understand me from the word at all - it turned out to be expensive, difficult, as a consequence, not effective enough. A detached story about the B-2, which is very expensive, difficult and ineffective (the fate of the 80s-90s concepts they have) So that it would not be at least difficult in the fighter with the processing of operational information - option 2 people. In pepelatse it is simpler, like the 35th and amers and one is enough, but there are a lot of equipment in the series. Nobody in the army canceled the formula cost / efficiency (I also did not understand the message from you - what does the F-23 have to do with it when it came to reorientation from 22 to 35?)
Something else to chew?

[Dodikson]

Irony is not appropriate, you do not understand what you are being ironic about. Mattressans since 22 had a major snag not how much in price, how much in the amount of information

I wrote

as it turned out that the F-22 was chosen precisely because it was cheaper.
and not because there was a large amount of information.
By the way, the OLS was removed from him just from the economy.

how did you agree, forgetting that you started with the fact that the question is not about money, but about overloading the pilots (see also the article we are discussing).

[akarfoxhound]

Well, okay, but we talked, had a good time

[MMX]

Mattressans from 22 had a major snag, not so much in price, but in the amount of information received by the only pilot with processing it in the head and making a quick decision

Well then, single F-35s go to the landfill. There, the pilot is alone and does not know where to put his "head off".
Nice to listen to the pros ...

[akarfoxhound]

Frozen in deep pardon and admiration! What a depth of thought, eh ?! Such an assessment is worth a lot! I will boast in front of colleagues at my leisure
And then we got into everything and checked it out!
Who was that?
MMH itself !!!
And this .....
(in order not to increase the pride of the opponent, since his fantasy is rich, the following questions and answers, full of emotional enthusiasm of colleagues from the grand event, I will modestly skip)

[MMX]

Hmm, just like that, walking around, making not the slightest effort, I somehow managed to set fire to your ass. I beg your pardon for the pain you have caused ...

[akarfoxhound]

So you can see the opponent's comments not from the head, but from the well, and you turn out to be not just a dreamer, but rootedly - a self-conscious dream ?!
And I'm here with a rear-wheel drive Zhiguli about high, about aviation ...

[MMX]

Quote: akarfoxhound

So you can see the opponent's comments not from the head, but from the well, and you turn out to be not just a dreamer, but rootedly - a self-conscious dream ?!
And I'm here with a rear-wheel drive Zhiguli about high, about aviation ...

There is an opinion in psychology that someone who focuses on homosexuality himself has such inclinations
As for the plane, here I admit that your argument about the need for a co-pilot in the cockpit of the fighter, through arguments about homosexuality, I have nothing to cover.
Stosh, congratulations on a well-deserved victory!

[Zaurbek]

UAC began designing a supersonic jet ...

[Intruder]

Of course, one, a virtual technopilot to help you, can handle it.

like Alice!? :) joke ...

He is able to coordinate the actions of a group of aircraft, conduct effective reconnaissance and electronic warfare, issue target designation ...

Duc, this is A-50 and there is a more double cabin and he himself is somehow larger, no !? :)))

[Thrifty]

And at the request of the client, a triple VIP option, with a jacuzzi, a bar, tuned, with wings in Swarovski crystals, with a doorman on board is possible? ?? Or, enough powder your brains, and start building them more than two sides a year?

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Thrifty

with jacuzzi, bar

And a naked harpist

[Vladimir247]

... more than two boards a year ...
---------
And who will build it? Are there these people? Everything, this will never happen, never. Dreaming is not harmful.
For large series, and preparation must be ... large. many graduates of technical universities, vocational schools; concept should be: preparation of production. And these words have long been forgotten.

[Dodikson]

How many An was built in the last 6 years of Maydaun celebrations?

[Vladimir247]

And what, maydauns for you the light in the window? Unattainable goal?

[Dodikson]

and what for you oaths macked the light in the window? does not sit in your ukrnet?

[Vladimir247]

For me, Zionism = Fascism. It's clear ? Matskali and Ukrainians are brothers. We will figure it out, do not fuss.

[Dodikson]

how dare you go against your people?
and Zelya and Porosyonko are both Jews.

[Intruder]

And at the request of the client, a triple VIP option, with a jacuzzi, a bar, tuned, with wings in Swarovski crystals, with a doorman on board is possible

and the option also includes riotous girls to the bar !? :)))

[Eug]

For further unification, it is advisable to make one model, replacing both the Su-30 and Su-34. Naturally, this model should be based on the Su-57, and possibly with an increased maximum takeoff weight. He believed that the two-seat modification had been in development for a long time, since the time of cooperation with the Indians.

[The popuas]

Aha ... grandma said in two a single version would be serialized to begin with ...

[voyaka uh]

It's December, the end of the year.
In theory, should have rolled out of the factory "number 2"?

[kit88]

And what is this "hornet's sting"?

This has never happened before

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: kit88

And what is this "hornet's sting"?

These are radars of various modifications (presumably).

[mark1]

Quote: kit88

And what is this "hornet's sting"?

Weapon of last chance - makes a cobra and a sting! sting! foe.

[Knell wardenheart]

Is this necessary on a stealth plane in an era of increasing digitalization and elements of AI?
I see the advantages of the 2 local version only in terms of improving the management of "Hunters" ..

[Runoway]

-Not stealth, but stealth
-digitization and AI are still in development and when only 2-3 of the strongest states on the planet will appear (the conflict between which will lead to an apocalypse, perhaps only hybrid wars between them with theater of operations on the territory of third countries)
The rest of the world will not have this for a very long time, in view of which the battles are reduced to
- early to detect and be the first to strike from a distance, while remaining unnoticed both on enemy air targets and on his air defense
In fact, you need to be on a level with a potential enemy, so as not to upset the balance of power, which can push you to attack in theory
But in practice, you need to have a significant advantage over the enemy's export equipment.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Knell Wardenheart

Is this necessary on a stealth plane in an era of increasing digitalization and elements of AI?

Do you need a stealth plane when the photon radar test has been successfully completed?

[Knell wardenheart]

Well, then, in the 60s, lasers were already being tested with might and main, but only now all this goes into service .. it is not known how long this photonic radar will go to the troops, let's say. A couple of world wars may well fit in this gap.

[Viktor Sergeev]

But when will he even get a single one?

[bars1]

Quote: kit88

And what is this "hornet's sting"?

This is specifically for performance evaluation tests.

[bars1]

Quote: ROSS 42

These are radars of various modifications (presumably).

The Su-57 does not have a rear hemisphere radar.

[_Ugene_]

Russia is actually ready to bring the Su-57 to the foreign market

this suggests that our leadership considers the potential economic risks for the country to be more serious than military ones, perhaps they are

[rubin6286]

This is to be expected. The two-seater version of the Su-57 will be needed both for training and retraining of pilots and for performing a wide range of special tasks. In our fighter aviation there have always been both I (fighters) and their two-seat versions (UTI). I hope that we still have an understanding of who this aircraft and what weapons can be sold, for how much and for what purpose. Rumor has it that it would be nice to go back to a single-engine tactical fighter, and it seems to make sense. Many countries still have our one-seat MiGs in service and the new aircraft would be in demand on the market. Finally, we flew with our IL-114 and MS-21 engines, the strike UAV "Okhotnik" seems to have turned out to be successful, Dombarovka is being rearmed with the "Avangard", the heavy and expensive "Angara" has flown, combat lasers in the air defense are being adopted and improved. Army and Navy. It's not so bad, gentlemen. I think that Russia should not get involved now in any local conflict with dubious results. and the attempts of our friends from the CSTO to do this are seen more and more clearly ,,,,, They want to enter paradise on someone else's ridge.

[storm]

The Indians immediately demanded a two-seater version and were right .....

[storm]

For 76 single-seat Su-57s, 24 more double-seat Su-57-2s need to be purchased

[Revolver]

Do you need a second person? There is a communication channel, put the second in the bunker, let him work remotely and observe social distance. In general, the first one, too, at the current level of technology, can be removed from the plane, let it control from the ground. Accordingly, you can throw out the catapult, the life support system, and shove in their place ... but you never know something good, there would be a place and a margin of weight.

[Alexey from Perm]

They are ready to enter the foreign market .... they have not yet put in their troops, but they are talking about the market. Here are the traders just to sell as soon as possible))

[Gardener91]

Only that series of cars can be supplied to the external market, after which the next one is created, which is at the stage of state testing.

[pmkemcity]

The Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57 may receive a two-seat version, this option is being considered in the interests of a foreign customer.

Second pilot? Why, if there is this - the export version of "Fedor's robot" will be called LISICIN:

[Gardener91]

A spark is needed in any case, and a multipurpose, two-seater complex has a place to be on this platform, depending on the planned goals and objectives.

[Lelik76]

And according to the good old tradition, to give the production of sparks from Komsomolsk to Irkutsk, as it was with the Su-27 at one time. I would love to work with this car, though all this is of course dreams ...

[Diviz]

Spacecrafts must have a cockpit - at least su 34.