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"Niva" magazine about how immigrants arrived in America

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Caricature 1903 "Emigrants in the United States and who meets them here"


“Leave, ancient lands, the praise of centuries for yourself!
I cry in silence. Give me your tired people,
All thirsty to breathe freely, abandoned in need,
From the cramped shores of the persecuted, poor and orphans.
So send them homeless and exhausted to me
I raise my torch at the golden gate! ”


(Sonnet of the American poetess Emma Lazarus "New Colossus" (1883), dedicated to the Statue of Liberty. These lines from it were adorned with her pedestal in 1903)


History land overseas. Recent publications of materials on US history show a high level of interest of the VO readership in this topic. Therefore, it is obvious that it will be useful in all respects to turn individual materials related to it into a cycle of a number of articles, one way or another answering the questions of our readership.

Well, I would like to start it with a rather funny story from the Niva magazine (we have used its materials more than once) about how immigrants from Europe in 1911 ended up in the “promised land”. However, you will probably need to make allowances for some bias of the author of this material. After all, our journalists now and then write about the fact that a pomaded homosexual stands at every corner abroad (how many I travel - I have not seen a single one), that Russo Turisto is robbed right on the streets, and in Turkey -

"Well, not at all like before, and everyone is sick."

There is such a thing now. Probably it was then. But at that time, all the same, such a social order as today it is in relation to the United States, most likely simply did not exist yet, which means that the information content and reliability of this material are beyond doubt. So, we read ...


Things in our hands, a gap in our teeth - we are on the land of America

Different passengers - different attitudes


Let's imagine that you are, let's say, a Russian artisan, tired of the hardships, who worked at one of the factories of St. Petersburg, who saw foreigners nearby and even heard their stories in broken Russian, that

"There, overseas, there is America - a country of great opportunities!"

So you got there, somehow got to Southampton, and there you boarded a steamer going across the ocean. Among those sailing "for happiness" you are not the only Russian. There are also a couple of Poles, Odessa Jews (nowhere without them). So you had someone to talk to. And you even found out something useful from your fellow travelers. But then your ship came to New York, passed the Statue of Liberty ("This is a whopper!"). And you look forward to disembarkation. And - yes, as soon as your ship has moored to the shore, as the passengers' luggage begin to be examined by customs officials. Someone is asked to present documents that prove their identity. Then the passengers go ashore.


"In the center of a big city, where grass does not grow"

But this does not happen with all passengers, but only with ... "cabins". “Cabins” are those who had enough money to buy a ticket to the cabin, and for them no difficulties are expected in the port. Their luggage is examined very superficially, then a government official issues them a pass. And they can go straight from the ship wherever they want.


This is who then came to America by sea: the mafia, socialist murderers and ... rats

And the thing is that cabin passengers are not considered "immigrants", because when passing the inspection they say that they have no intention of staying in America, but they came here on a visit or on business. That is, as they arrived, they say, they will leave. But the "immigrants" ... These are a completely different matter. American statistics include "deck passengers" among them. In other words, those who crossed the ocean, of course, not on deck, but on bunks in the lower hold. And so, immediately upon arrival, they have to experience the strictness of American laws governing the resettlement process in their own skin.


Street feeding at the beginning of the XNUMXth century

Statistics is an exact science. And so she reports that

"From 1820, that is, from the moment when the settlers began to be counted in America, their number has grown terribly: if in 1820 only 8385 people arrived in the States, then in 1903 - already 857016".

Therefore, one should be surprised at the law passed in 1882, which allowed resettlement only under certain conditions. In 1903, a new relocation law was issued, which, above all, made it difficult for deck passengers to land on the shore, turning it into a real torment.


Clean - the guarantee of health

The mentally ill, like the too smart in America, are not needed


First of all, the resettlement law denied many people the right to land in the United States. The entrance to the country was closed for the mentally ill, mentally ill, crippled, sick with infectious diseases, disabled, criminals convicted of criminal offenses (this did not concern political criminals). As well as "contract workers". They meant those smart people who had previously concluded an agreement with American employers while still there, abroad. That is, it was not forbidden to seek earnings "on occasion", but to travel, knowing exactly where and with whom you would work, was prohibited under the new law.


"Emigrants - a Threat to American Values"

The number of arrivals in New York sometimes reached 12000 a day. So the officials in the port had to work with full dedication. A special officer boarded the vessel even before it arrived at the port. His task was to find out which of the cabin passengers should be subjected to interrogation with partiality along with the deck passengers.

Deck passengers were to remain until they were taken aboard by small government steamers and brought ashore to checkpoints by control officers. Each such steamer could take up to 400 people, and during loading, customs officials inspect their luggage, which, however, happens very quickly, since deck passengers have practically no luggage. Here, in the crowd of deck passengers, disguised policemen are trying to mix in, whose task is to find out if there are criminals among them who (even with money) flee to America under the guise of immigrants, hoping that in this crowd they will pay less attention to them.


"New Babylon"

The guilty tongue is cut off along with the head


"Deck" ones get in line and are subjected to strict interrogation, during which they need to think carefully before answering, or to know all the questions and answers to them in advance. So our worker from St. Petersburg got to the inspector, who asks him a question of the most innocent quality:

- What do you intend to do in America?
- Work, - the foreman answers.
- Have you already found a job? - the inspector continues to ask him.

It is good that the Jews from Odessa warned our immigrant how to answer this seemingly simple question. But the one standing in front of him did not know this. He was afraid that if he said “no,” he would be sent back, and loudly said “yes,” which just should not have been done.

It was necessary to say that he did not know where he would find work in America. "Lie to the rescue" costs him dearly: he is immediately separated from the others to be sent back, or ... imprisoned for such a reckless response to prison on Ellis Island.

Of course, all this is discussed on the ship, but out of excitement and embarrassment, many forget about it and say "yes." For example, just 1903, 1086 such "contract workers" were sent to Europe.

"Niva" magazine about how immigrants arrived in America
1900 poster "The Melting Pot of the Nation: Citizenship and Equal Rights"

But then they ask to show cash. And here someone is as lucky.

“We were unable to find out anything definite about the existence of a certain minimum of cash,”

- writes the magazine. The sums are called different: both $ 10 and $ 30.

For example, the author of the essay at Niva received permission to disembark after presenting less than eight dollars in cash. In 1903, 5812 people were denied permission to land in America precisely because of the lack of any funds.


This is how they lived ...

And then a kick in the back


If the inspectors were satisfied with the answers to these questions and the amount of money, then the migrant was asked the last question:

does he have any relatives here among those who moved earlier, and does he want to join them?

If it turned out that he wanted to stay at the landing site, then he, one might say, "received freedom." But only after the next inspector directed him to the exchange office, where he exchanged his money for American ones. This was done in order to protect him from deceivers - street money changers.


Street amenities in a big city

Only now the immigrant walked to the exit through a large gallery, crossing which a person finally found himself in the city.

But then trouble again lay in wait for him. For some reason, at that time it was downright fashionable (of course, among a certain kind of local public) to go to meet visitors and greet them with all sorts of offensive remarks.

And then he did get a blow on the neck, so much so that he flew off 6-8 steps. At the same time, the crowd giggled with pleasure and, apparently, enjoyed the principle

"Push the falling one."

After all, what did the move to America mean for the overwhelming majority? Only one thing - failure in your homeland. But what if you yourself were like that? And did you get the exact same kick upon arrival? That means that the "newcomer" also needs to be given the same support? Let him know!


Both old and young worked

The fate of those unlucky


But what happened to those who were rejected by doctors or inspectors?

They were sent to Ellis Island, where they were temporarily held in the resettlement control building. Temporarily - this is until they either have relatives, or guarantors, or until a special commission deals with them completely. In America, the decision of the commission, the migrant had the right to appeal, but only for this he needed a clever lawyer and money for the proceedings in court in Ellis Iceland.

So usually for such poor fellows everything ended with boarding the steamer on which they arrived. Returning back, however, is already free - the road was paid by the US government.

The situation on the island was very much like a prison. Both in the prison, and according to the rules of imprisonment, meetings with relatives took place. A room separated by an iron grating served for this. So they could even say goodbye and, perhaps, forever, with their loved ones only through this prison fence.


And someone could and so - "seize the land." "Race to the Ground" in Oklahoma in 1889

The most interesting thing is that in New York, at least some conditions were provided for the content of the "rejected". It was not so, for example, in San Francisco. Where, according to the General Commissioner of the Resettlement Commission, the migrants left on probation were kept in ordinary prisons until their fate was decided. And, in general, this was a violation of American laws.


And you will become a “man of the earth”, and your children will not be afraid of snakes. Just like you ... State of Nebraska. 1895 g.

However, those who did not stay in New York could not so immediately escape from the control of the authorities. Resettlement control transferred them to the railway companies, which owned the roads along which the migrant planned his further journey. These companies even sent their steamers for them and transported them directly to the station, where they sold tickets and helped get on the desired train. Everything, so to speak, is for the good of the settlers. Except for the direct benefits of such "operations".

The immigrant received complete freedom in America only when the carriage in which he was sitting started to move.

This is how emigrants found their way to the "promised land" at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. And, as you can see, it was not easy at all.

PS


Well, as for our hypothetical migrant artisan, he most likely went to Hartford, where he got a job at weapons plant. And there, over time, he became a respected master, successfully married (the daughter of an old master). So his children were already considered one hundred percent Americans and went to study who went to college, and who even went to university. This also happened and not so rarely.
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  1. apro
    apro 19 December 2020 05: 39
    +8
    The fact that the sga accepted migrants. This is normal. And the fact that the homeland of emigrants did everything to push them out of their country is not normal. Niva magazine did not write how many Russians emigrated to the sga before 1917? And for what reason?
    1. Crowe
      Crowe 19 December 2020 05: 50
      +22
      Quote: apro
      how many Russians emigrated to sga before 1917?

      From 1861 to 1915, about 4,6 million people left the Russian Empire, of which about 40-45% moved to the United States. According to the 1910 US census, 1,7 million emigrants from Russia lived in America. According to various estimates, from 1910 to 1917, another 300 thousand Russian citizens moved to the United States. However, about 80% of emigrants were Jews, Poles, Germans, Finns, Ukrainians. In fact, the Russians themselves accounted for only 20% of migration, or approximately 350-400 thousand people.
      Quote: apro
      and for what reason?

      80% of Russian migrants were sectarians of various persuasions, oppressed in their homeland - Old Believers, Molokans, Dukhobors, Stundists, Subbotniks, Slavic Karaites, etc.
      The rest of the Russian people left for the United States mainly for political reasons, primarily anarchists and the so-called "agrarian socialists". For example, by 1914 in New York alone, the Russian colony of anarchists numbered about 8 thousand people.
      But what is interesting to me personally is that nothing has changed in terms of living standards since then - as reported in 1906 by the Russian statistician Yu.D. Filinov, the average monthly earnings of a Russian laborer in the United States, translated into rubles, was 71 rubles, and in Russia for the same work - only 15 rubles, a bricklayer, respectively, 205 and 50, a carpenter - 150 and 50 rubles.
      1. apro
        apro 19 December 2020 06: 15
        +12
        Quote: Crowe
        From 1861 to 1915, about 4,6 million people left the Russian Empire

        These are monstrous numbers ... there were no bloody Jewish Bolsheviks, but here you are ... now some will start to grumble about freedom of resettlement, but the basis is the economic knocking out of the population, freedom of religion. migrated, sga, Germany, China. South Korea, Greece, Canada ...
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 19 December 2020 08: 44
        -4
        Quote: Crowe
        But what is interesting to me personally is that nothing changed in terms of living standards since then - as reported in 1906 by the Russian statistician Yu.D. Filinov, the average monthly earnings of a Russian laborer in the United States in translation into rubles was 71 rubles, and in Russia for the same work - only 15 rubles, a bricklayer, respectively, 205 and 50, carpenter - 150 and 50 rub.

        It is precisely noted: the cost of utilities for a kopeck piece in the USA is $ 200, in the Russian Federation $ 50.
        1. Gvardeetz77
          Gvardeetz77 19 December 2020 12: 14
          +1
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Crowe
          But what is interesting to me personally is that nothing changed in terms of living standards since then - as reported in 1906 by the Russian statistician Yu.D. Filinov, the average monthly earnings of a Russian laborer in the United States in translation into rubles was 71 rubles, and in Russia for the same work - only 15 rubles, a bricklayer, respectively, 205 and 50, carpenter - 150 and 50 rub.

          It is precisely noted: the cost of utilities for a kopeck piece in the USA is $ 200, in the Russian Federation $ 50.

          And what is better, to pay for a communal apartment 200 $ from the received 2-3 thousand or 50 from 400-500?
          St. Petersburg, we pay for a kopeck piece on average 75-80 per year ... But this is less than before 2014, then it was more than $ 120.
          1. page
            page 19 December 2020 17: 58
            +1
            Quote: Gvardeetz77
            Quote: Olgovich
            Quote: Crowe
            But what is interesting to me personally is that nothing changed in terms of living standards since then - as reported in 1906 by the Russian statistician Yu.D. Filinov, the average monthly earnings of a Russian laborer in the United States in translation into rubles was 71 rubles, and in Russia for the same work - only 15 rubles, a bricklayer, respectively, 205 and 50, carpenter - 150 and 50 rub.

            It is precisely noted: the cost of utilities for a kopeck piece in the USA is $ 200, in the Russian Federation $ 50.

            And what is better, to pay for a communal apartment 200 $ from the received 2-3 thousand or 50 from 400-500?
            St. Petersburg, we pay for a kopeck piece on average 75-80 per year ... But this is less than before 2014, then it was more than $ 120.

            And that, the proportions are the same: 2000: 200 = 500: 50. Problems with the score? In New York, how much will your kopeck piece cost?
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          2. Ratmir_Ryazan
            Ratmir_Ryazan 19 December 2020 19: 40
            -4
            And what is better, to pay for a communal apartment 200 $ from the received 2-3 thousand or 50 from 400-500?


            It is better to work in such a way as to receive 2-3 thousand like in the USA.

            Or do you think that a VAZ worker where 700 thousand cars are assembled a year, West and Grant, should receive the same as a worker at Ford or General Motors where more than 10 million cars are assembled a year that are in demand all over the world ?!

            From what ?!

            If the result of your work is not appreciated even in your country, then your salary will be appropriate !!!

            To get like in the USA you have to work like in the USA !!!

            And resources and communal services in Russia are cheaper because the authorities in the country have set prices for these services and goods by administrative measures !!! And because of this, less money goes to the budgets of all levels. And from here the salaries of state employees are already lower.

            As for me, this should not be the case, resources should be worth the market price.
          3. Konstantin Shevchenko
            Konstantin Shevchenko 20 December 2020 15: 01
            0
            2000-3000 in the United States is beggarly below the plinth. And 5000 is not salvation. Life in homeless barracks. You will give more than 200 in just one trip to the store.
        2. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 19 December 2020 15: 22
          +2
          Ol'govich, did you personally check this or did the grandmother say it at the market?
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 19 December 2020 15: 39
            +3
            Quote: Astra wild2
            Ol'govich, did you personally check this or did the grandmother say it at the market?

            The average cost of utilities in the United States in one / two-room the apartment costs about 160 - 200 $.

            usa-info.com.ua ›live-usa› utilits

            There are also more numbers. Plus rent.

            In Germany (I know first-hand) an apartment (comm + rent) takes 1 oiro / month.
      3. Deniska999
        Deniska999 19 December 2020 08: 50
        +9
        Until the beginning of the twentieth century, the bulk of emigration from Russia was made up of Jews, Poles, Balts and Finns, but gradually Russians also joined their number - as information about real life in the United States began to reach them (up to 80% of emigrants from Ingushetia settled there) and Canada (7-8%).
        I read from the historian and anthropologist Eduard Nitburg how ordinary Russian people were struck by the contrast between life in their homeland and in America. The main thing is the difference in wages. For the same work, and even with a shorter working week (55 hours on average in the USA and 60-65 hours in Russia), “a laborer with a shorter working day earned an average of 60 rubles per month, and in Russia - 15, bricklayer - 150 and 50, respectively, miner - 200-300 and 50, teacher in the city - 125 and 50 rubles. " Food turned out to be cheaper in America: if, on average, in Russia, a worker spent up to 70-75% of his budget for food, then in the new homeland - 30-40%.

        In the United States, the myth of Russian laziness and backwardness immediately disappeared: a study by the US Immigration Commission in 1909 showed that if all immigrants had an average daily earnings of $ 2,09, then for Russians it was $ 2,06, i.e. .e. the difference is less than 2% (despite the fact that 35-40% of Russian emigrants were illiterate).
        The Russian statistician B. Kurchevsky wrote in 1914 that “where physical strength and hard labor are required, the Russian worker is in great demand everywhere, and he is in great price among the American businessman. The Russian is amazed by the unheard-of American scale of wages, and he eagerly grabs the first offer. "

        According to the American Post Office, for the first six years of the XX century. Russian immigrants to the United States sent home more than 1,3 million postal orders for a total of 47 million rubles. In the pre-war years, according to the Russian Ministry of Trade and Industry, the savings sent and brought from the United States by Russian labor immigrants approached 100 million rubles. in year.

        In Canada, where, unlike America, it was not the workers who went, but mainly Russian peasants, were amazed by other realities. V. Bonch-Bruyevich described this in his book "Dukhobors on the Canadian Prairies". For one adult settler or widow, Canadians allocated 160 acres of land (about 60 hectares). The first three years we looked at how the land was cultivated, if everything was good, it could be bought for $ 10 (land surveying costs).
        (in less populated Siberia, according to the Stolypin reform, up to 30-35 hectares were given out).
        Further, the Russian settlers could not believe that there were no taxes in the western part of Canada. “There are no taxes ... there is only a so-called road duty, according to which everyone who has taken a homestad (plot of land) must conscientiously work at least 2 summer days a year on unpaved roads. That's the whole tax. "

        If it were not for WWI, the Revolution and the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, we would have received already in the 1920s a huge flow of Russian emigration to the New World (except for the USA and Canada, Argentina, Brazil and Australia gave Russians good conditions for resettlement). Probably millions of people would be counted over the decades.
        The newspaper "Russian Word" of May 28, 1915 wrote:
        “We have recently begun a trend in favor of settling on the lands of Canada, a Russian circle appeared in Edmont, Albert, with the goal of promoting the Russians to take government homesteads (160 acres) and take up the land. And there is still a lot of free land, there is a lot everywhere - in the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Colombia.
        Canada has all the freedoms, including freedom of conscience, freedom of speech and press, which Russia only dreams of.
        The new Russian emigration after the war should pay attention to Canada. "
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 19 December 2020 11: 50
          +4
          Quote: Deniska999
          If not for WWI, the Revolution and the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, then we would have received in 1920-e a huge flow of Russian emigration to the New World

          They would have received nothing: there have been attempts to limit emigration to the United States since the 1890s, and in the 1920s the emigrant quota of 140 thousand people a year was for everyone.
          1. zenion
            zenion 20 December 2020 19: 47
            0
            Better to read the story: "Without a Language" - the story of Vladimir Korolenko about the life of emigrants in America. Very interesting written. It is also possible to learn from this story why not only Jews left Russia because of the pogroms, but also other nationalities.
        2. Let's go to the world
          Let's go to the world 30 December 2020 03: 09
          -1
          In general, you could then distribute Russian passports to everyone and stick Canada instead of Alaska (or together with it) :)))
        3. Let's go to the world
          Let's go to the world 30 December 2020 03: 11
          0
          But in Russia in the Far East there were also great opportunities and huge tax breaks. plus the authorities, in principle, did not control many territories there. whole villages have lived in "neti" since the 18th or even the 17th century, professed their faith and system there and no one touched them.
    2. kalibr
      19 December 2020 07: 52
      +7
      Quote: apro
      and for what reason?

      And who should I ask about this? Editors are long dead ...
      1. apro
        apro 19 December 2020 08: 12
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        And who should I ask about this? Editors are long dead ...

        Yes, they will not write about it .. in that Russia where the welfare grew. by leaps and bounds
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2020 08: 37
          +10
          Quote: apro
          Yes, they will not write about it .. in that Russia where the welfare grew. by leaps and bounds

          They wrote, you know, about everything. Even about the prices for labor, teachers with tuberculosis, schoolchildren suicides, and deceased migrants. The government was scolded in the eyes! I had a series of articles "Poisoned Feather" here - it was all there. "The trouble of incomplete knowledge" ...
          1. apro
            apro 19 December 2020 08: 41
            -3
            Quote: kalibr
            "The trouble of incomplete knowledge" ...

            Unreasonable faith in interpreters ...
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2020 08: 50
              +10
              And the stupid conviction of ignoramuses ... Open the articles ... Much is not necessary ... There are photos from newspapers and magazines ... Including "Niva". I don't write about interpreters. I use the primary sources.
              1. apro
                apro 19 December 2020 08: 51
                -5
                Quote: kalibr
                And the dull conviction of the ignorant ...

                But it is not necessary to be rude. Not beautiful.
                1. kalibr
                  19 December 2020 10: 17
                  +12
                  This is not rudeness, but a statement of fact, an anagram of your phrase. You set it yourself ... So I continued. It would be rudeness like this: "You stupid ignoramus!" But I didn't write like that.
          2. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 19 December 2020 15: 36
            +2
            Vyacheslav Olegovich, then I wanted to beat you, and then I decided: Vyacheslav Olegovich is a masochist. There are people with weirdness?
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2020 17: 02
              +3
              Quote: Astra wild2
              Vyacheslav Olegovich is a masochist.

              It's funny!
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 19 December 2020 17: 25
                -3
                Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you want me to hit you?
                1. kalibr
                  19 December 2020 18: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: Astra wild2
                  Vyacheslav Olegovich, did you want me to hit you?

                  It is not clear why?
                  1. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 19 December 2020 20: 24
                    -3
                    Have you forgotten how your colleagues were seething with you? They were ready to tear you apart
                    1. kalibr
                      19 December 2020 21: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Astra wild2
                      They were ready to tear you apart

                      The willingness to do something and the ability to do it are different things ... I saw many different predators in the zoo, but they all sat in cages and were not dangerous! And in general, for some reason, many people give great meaning to words. I don't attach any importance to them at all. The pleasant ones make me happy, of course, but the unpleasant ones I just don't pay attention to. Maybe you should follow my example?
              2. Phil77
                Phil77 19 December 2020 18: 11
                +2
                Quote: kalibr
                It's funny!

                And you? wink
              3. Phil77
                Phil77 19 December 2020 18: 56
                +3
                Quote: kalibr
                It's funny!


                Duel of the century? laughing
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 19 December 2020 09: 26
        +8
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: apro
        and for what reason?

        And who should I ask about this? Editors are long dead ...

        This is known even without them: the "surplus" population in European Russia was up to 40 million people and the main question (cry!) Was: "WHERE to get the land ?!"

        From the journal "Polar Star", 1907:
        .

        By 1990, after just 70 years of "skillful" management, the question was different: "WHO needs land ?!"

        A little over a hundred years ago exactly Russians reinforced North Caucasus, Central Asia, Siberia, Far East.

        As for emigration to the United States, much more emigrated from Germany than from RI.
  2. Korsar4
    Korsar4 19 December 2020 06: 03
    +6
    The penchant for a wandering or sedentary lifestyle is internal.
    But external worries contribute to a change in lifestyle.
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 06: 24
      +5
      Quote: Korsar4
      The penchant for a wandering or sedentary lifestyle is internal.
      But external worries contribute to a change in lifestyle.

      Hello, Sergey!
      "We are well fed here too!"
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 19 December 2020 06: 50
        +5
        Needed where was born.
        Wandering is good when you have somewhere to return.
        But then it is not vagrancy either.
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 19 December 2020 15: 41
        +1
        "Tahiti, Tahiti, we feel good here too"
  3. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 19 December 2020 06: 24
    +7
    repeat Amazing material from V. Shpakovsky! Well illustrated and for the first time with objective comments. recourse
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 07: 24
      +8
      Now the communists, monarchists and anarchs will wake up ... Falkhistorians tfu and tell us that everything was "wrong" !!! wink
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 09: 01
        +8
        -2, woke up !!! bully
        And to argue?
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 19 December 2020 09: 03
          +5
          At least (-3), because I plus.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 19 December 2020 09: 50
          +6
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          And to argue?

          My * + *, alas, did not affect the overall picture. They were probably offended.
          Hello, Vlad!
      2. vladcub
        vladcub 19 December 2020 15: 55
        +4
        Namesake, and we will let loose on folk historians Mikhail Trilobit. He uses them according to the Kamasutra
  4. Phil77
    Phil77 19 December 2020 07: 18
    +9
    Good morning! Vyacheslav Olegovich, thanks for another interesting article. I'm actually about class 3 passengers. The price of a class 3 ticket for the * Titanic * liner was from 3 to 8 pounds. Those who were lucky to survive later recalled that they had never lived in such comfortable conditions.



    1. Phil77
      Phil77 19 December 2020 07: 25
      +10
      Quote: Phil77
      comfortable conditions.

      And this is the menu.
      1. ycuce234-san
        ycuce234-san 19 December 2020 08: 17
        +6
        Judging by the presence of fish and meat products, cheese and fruit on the menu, the ship had industrial refrigerators of sufficient volume to meet the needs of passengers of all classes. They were then a novelty, and the first industrial kondeis, which are often used on ships (especially on liners in the tropics), existed in 1909 only in the form of prototypes.
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2020 08: 34
          +6
          Quote: ycuce234-san
          Judging by the presence of fish and meat products, cheese and fruit on the menu, the ship had industrial refrigerators of sufficient volume to meet the needs of passengers of all classes.

          There will be an article about this as well. All this has happened before, by the way ...
          1. ycuce234-san
            ycuce234-san 19 December 2020 09: 11
            +3
            There will be an article about this as well. All this has happened before, by the way ...


            Apparently, the capacity of the storerooms still required increased speed, which tragically affected the fate of the Titanic. If there was room for larger pantries or for reloading at sea, the captain would not drive so hard.
            In addition, there was almost not enough time for the appearance of another technical novelty capable of preventing a crash - an active sonar. The Shackleton-Rowett Expedition (1921-1922), also known as the Quest Expedition, already had a scientific deep-sea hydrophone within easy reach of sonar.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 19 December 2020 09: 39
              +9
              Quote: ycuce234-san
              demanded increased speed, which tragically affected the fate of the Titanic.

              You know, no! It was a common practice for shipping companies of that time, to go full steam. There are many * if *. And of course the human factor. Name of which is Edward John Smith. Below is a photo of a woman who was directly responsible for the health of 3rd class passengers- Catherine Wallis, she died. In general, there were two doctors in the team - William O'Lachlin and Edward Simpson. But doctors from among the passengers were also involved / if necessary /.
              1. ycuce234-san
                ycuce234-san 19 December 2020 10: 32
                +3
                Yes, the topic "what if" is a fertile one for reflection. I somehow came up with the idea that if the designers of the passengers and the crew had been supplied not only with life jackets, but also with the simplest wetsuits, almost everyone would have survived. Rubberized woolen fabrics were then known for a long time. And until now, a standard life jacket does not seem to be equipped with a wetsuit - such is the force of inertia of thinking.
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 19 December 2020 16: 25
                  +6
                  "The standard life jacket doesn't seem to come with a wetsuit." In case of emergency, putting on a vest is a matter of minutes, but try wearing a wetsuit in the water. After all, you will not spend the entire trip in a wetsuit?
                  1. ycuce234-san
                    ycuce234-san 20 December 2020 02: 16
                    +1
                    There are, for example, modern "wet" wetsuits - they are looser than dry ones, but no one has ever optimized wetsuits for putting on in the water or even just quickly putting on. For rescue purposes, it is enough to have a completely free large-sized suit or even a large bag made of material that retains heat.
                    Fats have poor thermal conductivity, so the rescue suit can be generally liquid - in the form of a canister with long-lasting skin lubricant. And under water, the fat is quite applied to the skin - right now I went to the sink and applied cream to my hand under a layer of water. You can even make this ointment edible - then it will be possible to preserve your strength as well - modern canned food and milk can be safely stored for years and a liquid wetsuit can also do this trick.
                    1. vladcub
                      vladcub 20 December 2020 16: 19
                      +2
                      Better yet, "swim" while sitting on the couch. So surely you won't drown
                      1. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 21 December 2020 01: 49
                        0
                        Quite right. The Titanic had very luxurious wood finishes and furniture and other wood that was not used for rescue, although it was known that the ship was sinking and it was already worthless to him. The temperature of the salty sea water during the wreck was −2 ° C, and for cold seas, the temperature of the waters below zero is not uncommon due to salinity. Any unfortunate misfortune in such water will have to survive for many, many hours, and at sea, in general, there may also be excitement.
                        Therefore, a hydrach for a life jacket is necessary, for example, from a multilayer fluoroplastic film, which has a record low thermal conductivity, a supply of food in canned food is needed, muscle relaxants and antispasmodics in food or in tablets - convulsions from hypothermia, in such conditions, will even be in a wetsuit.
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 19 December 2020 15: 56
              +5
              The "Quest" expedition already had a scientific deep-sea hydrophone, which was just a stone's throw from sonar.

              Paul Langevin invented sonar (sonar) at the end of WWI, the first examples - 1916.
        2. Phil77
          Phil77 19 December 2020 08: 36
          +5
          Quote: ycuce234-san
          Judging by the presence of fish and meat products, cheese and fruits on the menu, the ship had industrial refrigerators of sufficient volume,

          Yes, of course. Among other things, the liner had special freezers for ... flowers! Indeed, what if some Mr. Astor would come up with the idea of ​​giving a bouquet of beautiful roses to his wife?
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 19 December 2020 08: 48
            +7
            Sergei! hi
            Flowers are stored at three to five degrees Celsius, this is not a freezer.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 19 December 2020 08: 49
              +6
              Quote: 3x3zsave
              freezer

              Fridge? good
              1. 3x3zsave
                3x3zsave 19 December 2020 08: 53
                +7
                Yes. It just so happens that I'm pretty good at the flower business.
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 08: 56
                  +7
                  Wright! And some more photos. Sorry, sorry, favorite topic!



                  1. ycuce234-san
                    ycuce234-san 19 December 2020 10: 01
                    +5
                    In the last photo above the spoons and the cup, is there a rush of rust? It seems like it's not the time for the flowed plastic - the technical plastic of that era - Bakelite - does not flow.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 19 December 2020 09: 42
        +12
        Sergey, hello! drinks
        I know "Titanic" is your topic, so I decided to just add to the topic about relocations in search of the "promised land". wink

        Interestingly, Shaw would have said about this citizen Moses?
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 19 December 2020 09: 47
          +7
          Quote: Sea Cat
          citizen Moses?

          Good morning Konstantin!
          I would rub my eyes and ask: * - And where are you from here ??? * laughing
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 19 December 2020 09: 50
            +7
            And how do you suppose that the brave corvette captain answered him? (look at his face) laughing
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 19 December 2020 09: 52
              +8
              Quote: Sea Cat
              corvette captain?

              The answer is banal.
              "Juden? Ershisen! Foyer!" bully
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 19 December 2020 09: 57
                +6
                Yes ... I guess we both read a lot about the training of the Kriegsmarine submariners. smile
              2. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 19 December 2020 14: 28
                +10
                Quote: Phil77
                Quote: Sea Cat
                corvette captain?

                The answer is banal.
                "Juden? Ershisen! Foyer!" bully

                And rightly so, because the Pilot, Boatswain and Iceberg are to blame for the tragedy of the Titanic
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 14: 40
                  +6
                  Quote: Krasnodar
                  Pilot, Boatswain and Iceberg

                  We delete the pilot, he has an alibi. Hi Albert! wink
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 19 December 2020 15: 29
                    +5
                    Greetings! hi How is the Mother See doing there?
                    1. Phil77
                      Phil77 19 December 2020 16: 14
                      +6
                      Quote: Krasnodar
                      the mother capital is getting on?

                      Snow, mud underfoot, windshield wipers, Kyrgyz people, masks. negative
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 19 December 2020 16: 42
                        +6
                        In short: night, street, lantern, pharmacy (c)
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 19 December 2020 14: 51
                  +5
                  Che, did they manage without Rabinovich?
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 19 December 2020 15: 30
                    +4
                    Quote: 3x3zsave
                    Che, did they manage without Rabinovich?

                    Yes, he wanted a drink then
                    "What was the poor Jew to do
                    If he has no urgent business "(c)
        2. Ruudi 34
          Ruudi 34 21 December 2020 19: 42
          +1
          now everything is clear about the love of the Germans for the Jews ...
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 21 December 2020 20: 09
            +1
            Yes, yes "tradition" laughing
      3. depressant
        depressant 19 December 2020 12: 05
        +3
        I don't understand ... This is the breakfast menu - what, all of the above was eaten by one person?
        Good afternoon, colleagues! )))
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 19 December 2020 12: 16
          +8
          Good afternoon, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
          Well, this menu was supposed to have a choice, that's all. There is also a menu for a 1st class restaurant, here is a choice! wink
          1. depressant
            depressant 19 December 2020 12: 22
            +5
            Got it )))
            And then I thought: the migrant will burst from burnout, will not reach the desired country. And from reading the menu on the appetite suddenly struck. She took and cooked semolina porridge. When you don't remember about food, and you don't feel like eating, the stomach is silent ...
            In any case, the guys got there well)))
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 19 December 2020 12: 25
              +4
              Quote: depressant
              In any case, the guys got there well)))


              And how do you like this? laughing
              1. depressant
                depressant 19 December 2020 13: 56
                +5
                I would definitely not eat:
                Oysters are a disgusting sea slug.
                Foie gras is just a piece of fat.
                Filet mignon - dry chicken breast, no matter how pickled, long fibers.
                Alcohol sorbent - what is it? I don’t understand alcohol?
                The roast pigeon is probably the tough flyer meat.
                Is pudding a perversion of semolina?

                In general, there is nothing to eat)))
                I would eat lard with a layer of meat and pickled cucumber, with onion rings - this is a delicious food! )))
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 14: 10
                  +6
                  Quote: depressant
                  In general, there is nothing to eat)))

                  Oh !!!! Here's a class 2 menu, choose.

                  Again, no ??? laughing
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 19 December 2020 14: 16
                    +2
                    Quote: Phil77
                    Again, no ???

                    hi
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                    2. depressant
                      depressant 19 December 2020 14: 47
                      +4
                      Turnips let them eat (((
                  2. depressant
                    depressant 19 December 2020 14: 46
                    +3
                    Bacon is possible)))
                2. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 19 December 2020 14: 31
                  +6
                  Quote: depressant
                  I would definitely not eat:
                  Oysters are a disgusting sea slug.
                  Foie gras is just a piece of fat.
                  Filet mignon - dry chicken breast, no matter how pickled, long fibers.
                  Alcohol sorbent - what is it? I don’t understand alcohol?
                  The roast pigeon is probably the tough flyer meat.
                  Is pudding a perversion of semolina?

                  In general, there is nothing to eat)))
                  I would eat lard with a layer of meat and pickled cucumber, with onion rings - this is a delicious food! )))

                  Lyudmila Yakovlevna, since when is a goose liver just a piece of fat? laughing
                  1. depressant
                    depressant 19 December 2020 14: 54
                    +4
                    Ever since then, colleague, as they began to hang the geese wrapped in a rag so that they would not wander around the barnyard and did not drive off the fat from themselves, while I can’t and I don’t want to stuff them with special food for days on end through the open beak held open, so that the liver grows to an incredible size. And such a liver of a tortured goose, saturated with fat, is that very foie gras artificially grown in it.
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 19 December 2020 15: 33
                      +4
                      I like foie gras, especially with onion jam)). And she's not fat at all request
                      1. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 19 December 2020 15: 36
                        +9
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        I like foie gras, especially with onion jam)). And she's not fat at all

                        Foie gras thing! good drinks
                        Here in a historical glade, your zakadyk promised to deliver a samovar to me, but I passed out laughing
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 19 December 2020 15: 55
                        +7
                        Well, everything began so culturally laughing drinks
                      3. Sling cutter
                        Sling cutter 19 December 2020 16: 09
                        +6
                        Quote: Krasnodar
                        Well, everything began so culturally

                        Eh, it always starts like this laughing drinks
                  2. depressant
                    depressant 19 December 2020 15: 47
                    +6
                    So you only ate the liver of an ordinary goose, just a large one. Such a liver is sold in our store. It's all about cooking. Now hardly anyone will feed the geese the way I told them. But in the days of emigration, about which Vyacheslav Olegovich talks, this is how it was - in addition to everything, they also nudged geese with nuts. Therefore, in those days I would not eat foie gras. And now ... you can take 300 grams of liver, make sauce, marinate, then steamed, or whatever it is cooked there. In general, it does not matter.
                    I liked the article. First I flipped through it - a huge one. She began to read, but she suddenly ended.
                  3. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 19 December 2020 16: 11
                    +7
                    Vyacheslav Olegovich reads everything in one breath smile
                    As for Foiegras - I try to eat that only in good restaurants. hi
                  4. depressant
                    depressant 19 December 2020 17: 00
                    +5
                    In the new time, I have never been to a restaurant))) And in a past life, quite often. For example, in Moscow, when I visited the capital on business, I took a prefabricated hodgepodge of meat and instead of the second - a fish platter, which contained caviar of two types, crabs, salmon, sturgeon, something else and separately served butter in the form of a shell. So the menu of the emigrant steamers was not impressed)))
                    And the new life has formed a new way of eating: what is, is fine. There is always coffee wassat
                  5. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 19 December 2020 17: 44
                    +5
                    I vaguely remember my old life - in 91, at the age of 14, they took me to Israel)). And new life in Russia is ok, in my opinion
                  6. Grim Reaper
                    Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 09: 13
                    +4
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    I vaguely remember my old life - in 91, at the age of 14, they took me to Israel)). And new life in Russia is ok, in my opinion

                    + - but I would prefer the 70s.
                  7. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 20 December 2020 10: 23
                    +4
                    Thanks to Lena for the taxi and for the Iwasi herring? ))
                  8. Grim Reaper
                    Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 14: 48
                    +1
                    Quote: Krasnodar
                    Thanks to Lena for the taxi and for the Iwasi herring? ))

                    Cool. I have not heard before. I'll take it on board. :)
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 19 December 2020 20: 17
              +3
              "," in a past life quite often "I was in a" fairy tale "once in a restaurant (my grandmother gave money) and invited the guys. Already in the present reality 2 times. The first one I don't remember for what reason, but the second time I remember: we were given an apartment ! I do not particularly like to drink, otherwise, for joy, ': "Absolute" 2 "hundred parts", some Spanish wine. As a result, they pulled me out like a doll, brought me home and threw on the sofa, and returned themselves
            3. Phil77
              Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 58
              +4
              Quote: Astra wild2
              As a result, they took me out like a doll, brought me home and threw me on the sofa, and returned themselves

              laughing
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 19 December 2020 17: 36
          +4
          I agree with the first 100%, but with the second ... As it does not add up
        3. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 20 December 2020 22: 28
          0
          wink Take a walk! Flaw! From the ruble and above! " laughing hi
  • Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 20: 40
    +5
    Quote: depressant
    I would definitely not eat:
    Oysters are a disgusting sea slug.
    Foie gras is just a piece of fat.
    Filet mignon - dry chicken breast, no matter how pickled, long fibers.
    Alcohol sorbent - what is it? I don’t understand alcohol?
    The roast pigeon is probably the tough flyer meat.
    Is pudding a perversion of semolina?

    In general, there is nothing to eat)))
    I would eat lard with a layer of meat and pickled cucumber, with onion rings - this is a delicious food! )))

    A couple of nutritionists, having read your comment, went out of grief to look for a light bulb, soap and a rope !!! laughing
    1. depressant
      depressant 19 December 2020 21: 11
      +2
      Vladislav, you haven't read the stories of cat owners about feeding their feline babies yet! The recipes are shared. One so-called kunokasha is worth it - for Maine Coons. There are beef, heart, liver, broccoli, carrots cut into small pieces, chicken heads ground into minced meat ... but everything is raw. I remember that one of the site visitors was indignant, saying that people don't eat like that, and you don't eat cats. So, poor fellow, the parents of the cats morally trampled him down.
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 21: 37
        +5
        I remember being alone at home with a fool, I suggested to my cat to share a can of guillemot in a tomato with me! Then for two years she was weaned from such plebeian food. laughing
        The only food from which you cannot drag by the tail, is ready to eat from a can, standing on the ceiling.
      2. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 December 2020 21: 57
        +4
        Here it is, the difference between living standards and income levels!
        The cat eats rabbit stew, and its owner - soy dumplings ...
        1. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 09: 17
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Here it is, the difference between living standards and income levels!
          The cat eats rabbit stew, and its owner - soy dumplings ...

          I have 2 dogs. French people. They definitely eat more than me
          :)
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 December 2020 09: 21
          +3
          Labrador. In addition to the regular ration (300g / day), he sweeps everything he finds.
        3. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 09: 43
          +1
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Labrador. In addition to the regular ration (300g / day), he sweeps everything he finds.

          super premium food. Britt. Plus some treats. What about without them? Apple, carrot ...
        4. Grim Reaper
          Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 09: 47
          +1
          300gr is not enough for a Labrodor? I have a snout of 150 grams, taking into account the weight. But definitely not enough, I am feeding.
        5. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 20 December 2020 10: 01
          +3
          She can't do it anymore. In Labradors, the so-called "stomach pit", that is, the saturation center is atrophied.
    2. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 20 December 2020 22: 34
      0

      Quote: Grim Reaper
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Here it is, the difference between living standards and income levels!
      The cat eats rabbit stew, and its owner - soy dumplings ...

      I have 2 dogs. French people. They definitely eat more than me
      :)

      Neighbors sometimes ask me - “What are you bending down to drag from the market?” I answer so, on trifles ... It's a shame to say laughing , which is more than half to three cats and one very large dog! ... To myself recourse so, milk and porridge! drinks
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 09: 17
    +2
    Anton ... We diligently do not touch upon the internal policy of our state here, on the subject of Vyacheslav Olegovich. I could powerfully strike our lovely state - not a country, no - with the topic of admitting compatriots to their homeland for resettlement, and also spitefully walk around due to the reasons for the "segregation" of the population by income level. But here - I will not. There are two reasons. First. Let's wait for the public reaction to the libel law. Second. Vyacheslav Olegovich will be worried, he's a monarchist here, he divides us into landlords and boors))) He'll be upset, but I feel sorry for him. You cannot change it, you cannot change me, you cannot change anyone. Like this )))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 10: 03
    +4
    Lyudmila Yakovlevna! Shpakovsky is a monarchist ??? He will laugh for a long time !!!
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 10: 30
    +1
    No? So who is he?!?
    I started reading his novel Three from Ensk. It turned out there are three volumes. And from the first episodes - all Vyacheslav Olegovich, a monarchist. There is boorishness on the train, and a well-to-do house of an employee, racks with boats, collections of coins, etc. As if his next article and his comments on the "opuses" of visitors)))
    So far I slowed down to read, but I will definitely continue)))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 10: 41
    +3
    Sydney Sheldon is a world famous author of "ladies' novels", but this does not mean that he was a woman.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 10: 54
    +1
    Anton, powerful! )))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 10: 58
    +3
    Our ideas about a person on the other side of the monitor are 90% a figment of our imagination.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 11: 19
    +2
    Agree! As well as the fact that emigration is a phenomenon based on circumstances that force a person to move solely for economic reasons. And passionarity? The same passionarity that forces a person to look for new lands, where he will simply have a second wind. Cast off the shackles of the past!
    For example, the USA, the promised land for many people on the planet, the torch of freedom. It would seem that the Americans themselves no longer have the Promised Land, except for their own. Well, not in Zimbabwe to move under the influence of passionate urges. And they are moving! And if not in Zimbabwe, then they rush en masse inside their own.
    Over the past two years, more than 500 people have left New York with an annual income of over $ 250, and almost a million people have left California. One and a half million people is less than half a percent of the total US population, but analysts say that America's passionate "engine" is still gaining momentum.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 11: 30
    +2
    I will think and answer.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 11: 39
    +1
    Anton, it's bad to think! )))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 11: 42
    +3
    I know! Let this be the smallest flaw in the catalog of my bad habits and bad inclinations.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 12: 11
    +1
    In our time, conditioned reflexes must be honed. The other day I fell asleep with difficulty, as is usual with me, and soon woke up abruptly from the fact that someone turned the handle in my frail door. Apparently, some neighbor tried it for inspiration. And I have a latch on the door and a tightly fixed gatehouse in my brain, formed, according to Naina Yeltsina, in the "holy nineties." In the absence of a reflex, I would not wake up. I crept to the door, heard quiet, receding steps. Then, in the "saints", and my hearing sharpened. And the political reflex, unfortunately, only at the end of the 10s.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 12: 18
    +2
    Is there no way to put a metal door?
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 12: 47
    +1
    Anton, uh-uh ... Don't talk about sad things! You are some kind of sad. Winter, the peasant has dissolved - rejoice! )))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 12: 49
    +2
    Yeah, winter ... In St. Petersburg +4.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 13: 55
    +1
    Maritime climate, however))
    And we have minus 3, but continental)))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 15: 07
    +2
    Today, this "excuse" does not work.
    And in general, Lyudmila Yakovlevna, I am surprised at you! The site contains an article by Shpakovsky about a wonderful woman, and we are examining the peculiarities of the climate!
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 15: 46
    +1
    And when did he hang the wonderful woman? I recently looked, there was nothing! Now I'm going to look again. I wonder if there is a lamppost or a gallows ...
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 15: 50
    +2
    Are you joking? love
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 16: 16
    +1
    Aha!)))
    I went and looked, there is no subject for conversation. I can shoot myself. Eyesight is already spoiled, if you get a weapon, I will smear. A shot is like an extension of a hand, if it is a pistol. Now my eyes will direct my hand past the target (((
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 16: 21
    +2
    A shot is like an extension of a hand, if it is a pistol.
    That's right, I shoot like that myself. But, the woman is wonderful!
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 16: 30
    +1
    Anton ... Believe it or not, I don't like circus. Theater, cinema - I adore. If a woman is a sniper, that is, with a necessary, important matter, then my compliments. And so ... Well, the manufacturing companies are lucky to have such a "model" for advertising weapons. No more.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 16: 49
    +2
    You shouldn't be like that, Lyudmila Yakovlevna.
    This woman, with her "circus performance", has done more for gender equality than all the suffragettes.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 16: 53
    +1
    Have you decided who I am for gender equality? Do I consider it a blessing? Not at all. I believe that talented women should be given a path to science. Let the rest take care of the household and the children. Managers and warriors should be men.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 17: 09
    +2
    No, I haven't decided. It's just that I know biology too well to deny women equal rights.
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 14: 54
    +2
    Quote: 3x3zsave
    Yeah, winter ... In St. Petersburg +4.

    and here - 17. In the morning it was - 21. True, there is little snow. Very little. Sverdlovsk / Yekaterinburg.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 15: 37
    +2
    I'm not talking about sad things, I'm talking about reflexes. If necessary, I will help. I have such an atavistic reflex.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 15: 41
    +2
    Anton, thank you, but I am not able to repay the debt of life. Therefore, I do not accept help. What I have, that is, no other is given. Here I am such a radish)))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 15: 45
    +3
    Trouble is with you strong women! However, I don't like others. Here I am such a radish! laughing
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 15: 49
    +2
    A sign on the door: "Gone to watch Shpakovsky's new article!"
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 15: 56
    +3
    Better like this:

  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 16: 23
    +2
    The girl has excellent unloading. So many pockets. Presumably, and a backpack behind. It contains a flask of water, dry bars, a first aid kit - a lot of things. Spare clips are in the pockets. I like this girl more than the American woman in the article by Vyacheslav Olegovich.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 16: 33
    +3
    This girl, two years ago, served as an "urgent" in the "Karakol" division of the IDF.
    Photo taken in January 2018, Israel, West Bank. Jordan, Font.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 16: 44
    +2
    I really hope that everything is fine with her. Freedom-loving terrorists are also there. Oh, I won't! .. I'm not politically correct)))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 17: 05
    +2
    I beg of you! This girl had six months until the end of the service. And the Font, the quietest place in Israel. Probably now studying to become a doctor, in the second year.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 18: 00
    +1
    Well, fine. Just why did you decide that you are a doctor? )))
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 20 December 2020 18: 06
    +2
    "Krasnodar" so designated, I trust his opinion. He lived in this country for a quarter of a century.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 19 December 2020 21: 17
    +3
    Namesake, and there is a light bulb: are they going to hang themselves on the light bulb, or to make it clearer?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 21: 32
      +3
      Vlad, there is a saying. The truth is not functional, who invented it forgot about the tubaret !!!
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 20 December 2020 16: 23
        +1
        He is without a stool, from the balcony
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 49
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    Oysters are a disgusting sea slug.

    And grandfather Shchukar liked it! laughing
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 56
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    this is gourmet food! )))


    laughing
  • Avior
    Avior 20 December 2020 11: 46
    +5
    Alcohol sorbent - what is it? I don’t understand alcohol?

    Roman punch.
    This cocktail is a variation of the sixth change for a first class dinner on the Titanic on the day of the disaster. Alcoholic sorbet Romanesque punch was served that evening.

    He had to set off the taste between changes of dishes, between a pigeon and lamb with mint sauce, duck or beef.

    Ingredients:
    Dark rum - 10 ml
    Champagne brut
    Sugar - 30 gr
    Dry white wine - 30 ml
    Lemon juice - 6 pcs.
    Lemon zest - 2 pcs.
    Ginger root

    For Italian merengue:
    Egg white - 3 pcs.
    Sugar - 30 ml
    Water - 15 ml


    smile
    1. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 15: 01
      0
      Quote: Avior
      Alcohol sorbent - what is it? I don’t understand alcohol?

      Roman punch.
      This cocktail is a variation of the sixth change for a first class dinner on the Titanic on the day of the disaster. Alcoholic sorbet Romanesque punch was served that evening.

      He had to set off the taste between changes of dishes, between a pigeon and lamb with mint sauce, duck or beef.

      Ingredients:
      Dark rum - 10 ml
      Champagne brut
      Sugar - 30 gr
      Dry white wine - 30 ml
      Lemon juice - 6 pcs.
      Lemon zest - 2 pcs.
      Ginger root

      For Italian merengue:
      Egg white - 3 pcs.
      Sugar - 30 ml
      Water - 15 ml


      smile

      Curva, and we whip vodka, for "shading"
  • Grim Reaper
    Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 09: 02
    +3
    Quote: Phil77
    Quote: depressant
    In any case, the guys got there well)))


    And how do you like this? laughing

    And here I am eating pollock soup. First and last change. Anyway. From night to night. Fuck bikes .....
  • bondrostov
    bondrostov 19 December 2020 15: 21
    +3
    And from reading the menu on the appetite suddenly struck

    But I didn't like the menu. sad little meat, no kebabs, no salads, no shekolada ...
    PS and no vodka !! am
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 20: 42
      +5
      Quote: bondrostov
      But I didn't like the menu. little meat, no kebabs, no salads, no shekolada ...
      PS and no vodka !!


      Shh ... the captain has an open bottle of tequila and a lemon in his cabin. Do not worry about the ice, it is right on the course !!!
  • Alf
    Alf 19 December 2020 17: 35
    +3
    Quote: depressant
    In any case, the guys got there well

    True, at the same time they took a bath of icy sea H2O, which was not included in the ticket price ...
    1. depressant
      depressant 19 December 2020 18: 11
      +3
      Are you talking about "Titanic"?))
      1. Alf
        Alf 19 December 2020 18: 18
        +4
        Quote: depressant
        Are you talking about "Titanic"?))

        It is about him, "unsinkable".
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 December 2020 18: 50
          +1
          Well, after all, Costa Concordia ran aground in 2012 in the Tyrrhenian Sea. But how many decades later!
          It is said above, they say, if the Titanic had such a sonar as it is now, the accident would not have happened. Surely the Costa Concordia had a sonar of the required level ...
          Knowledgeable people believe that the Titanic crash was either planned or at least possible due to cheap grades of steel. And after the sinking of the Titanic, conspiracy theorists and mystics warned: you can not build cruise liners in his image and likeness - in no case! No, you managed to build the Costa Concordia!
          The result is tens of corpses from more than 4 thousand passengers. In our time - savagery.
          Yes, and "Titanic" did not seem to be alone, there were two more "brothers", and both were losers.
          There is something strange about this. At least for me.
          1. Phil77
            Phil77 19 December 2020 19: 20
            +5
            Quote: depressant
            Surely the Costa Concordia had a sonar of the required level ...

            Lyudmila Yakovlevna! In both cases, the most unenviable role was played by .... * Two captains *! Human factor. Smith was given several warnings / six! / About bad ice conditions in the area of ​​the route. In the evening, the oncoming vessel transmitted with a lamp that it had recently passed through the ice field And what? Zero attention. About the captain * Concordia * even reluctant to write, a tour guide in chevrons.
            Quote: depressant
            Knowledgeable people believe that the Titanic crash was either planned or at least possible due to cheap grades of steel.

            The steel was normal at that time, the sistership * Olympic * passed right up to 1936.
            Quote: depressant
            And after the sinking of the Titanic, conspiracy theorists and mystics warned: you can not build cruise liners in his image and likeness - in no case! No, it managed to build the Costa Concordia!

            Dozens of liners were built. Bigger! And nothing, went fine. The main thing is man!
          2. Alf
            Alf 19 December 2020 19: 21
            +4
            Quote: depressant
            There is something strange about it

            The most interesting thing is that with the introduction of radar, sonars, satellites, the accident rate at sea has increased.
            Apparently, the point is in carelessness and hope for technology, such as the autopilot will do everything itself.
            1. depressant
              depressant 19 December 2020 19: 55
              +3
              And for me, colleagues, the planned decrease in the number of people. And for a long time. America selected for itself healthy, not very smart, not pretending to tasty jobs, but what to do with the extra "human material" in Europe? Especially after emancipation? The number of workers suddenly became unexpectedly large, and their owners as consumers of the goods produced were none. So terrible wars went one after another ...
              Oh, what am I! ... It's Saturday! It's time to get distracted, tell jokes))
            2. bubalik
              bubalik 19 December 2020 20: 04
              +2
              Lethal Weapon USA COVID-19: Plan to Reduce Population of the Earth what
            3. Alf
              Alf 19 December 2020 21: 26
              +4
              Quote: bubalik
              Lethal Weapon USA COVID-19: Plan to Reduce Population of the Earth what

              Dear colleague, then please explain why the S-19 originated in the PRC, and not in some Vietnam or Somalia? Maybe because exactly how the PRC is now bypassing the states in terms of economy, and it is not possible to keep a competitor in the usual ways? As my beloved Romans said, Seek who benefits. By the way, a couple of times infa flashed that a disease with exactly the same symptoms appeared in the US Army in 2015 (!). Doesn't it suggest any thoughts?
      2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 20: 45
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        Yes, and "Titanic" did not seem to be alone, there were two more "brothers", and both were losers.
        There is something strange about this. At least for me.


        As you name the galoshe, so it will rule! Captain Vrungel.
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 December 2020 21: 57
          +1
          Galosha was named "Titanic" (((

          "14 years before the sinking of the Titanic, an unknown American writer wrote the novel" Futility. " century. "

          They say that a friend of Gorky was going to sail on the Titanic. He felt something, tried to dissuade him, but she did not listen to him.
          That is why conspiracy theories and mysticism continue to exist. Yes, ships larger than the Titanic float on their own, and nothing. And "Costa Concordia" is essentially a "Titanic" with a modern filling.
        2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 22: 12
          +3
          Today, at 25 degrees below zero, I almost got my feet wet. In the forest underfoot, ice fell on the Srednyaya River. Apparently the river is frozen to the bottom, and the springs are crushing. This was not the case before.
          So I could play the role of the Titanic today. True, drowning there is not really knee-deep, but two kilometers to the house, it was fashionable to get cold feet.
        3. depressant
          depressant 19 December 2020 22: 38
          +3
          Vladislav, let the disease pass you by! They say, keep your head in the cold and your feet warm ... But 25 minus is something. There were such winters here, in our suburbs. And somehow imperceptibly disappeared into the past. Does this mean that you have such a dangerous "warming" of the climate? )))
        4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 December 2020 05: 36
          +4
          -25 is the norm! Nobody notices this. There are a lot of people in the forest. There is still little snow, skiers too. But the fans of Scandinavian walking are not overcrowded.
          Frosts are far beyond -30 and then they do not create problems, but here the kind owner will not let the dog and cat out of the threshold. And control over children is increasing.
          Seriously, it's when it's -45 or more. This day is only to work and back. Although this rarely happens once every two or three years.
          In the 80s, in such frosts, the paint peeled off from the Czechoslovak trams in Sverdlovsk. Everyone remembers this as the standard of cold.
        5. depressant
          depressant 20 December 2020 08: 56
          +3
          Yes, Lord! ... There are such places on the planet.
          She spent her early childhood in a military settlement in Chukotka. Apparently, there was something similar there too. But no one controlled me, she went outside when she wanted, even in the polar night, even in the day. She was friends with riding huskies. I did not feel the frost. The soldiers were freezing in a blizzard, sometimes a few meters from the barracks. In a blizzard, visibility is zero. Then they began to pull the ropes.
      3. Phil77
        Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 24
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        ... But 25 minus is something. There were such winters here, in our suburbs. And somehow they imperceptibly disappeared into the past.

        Christmas 2017.-29,9. And snow, snow, snow. It was in Moscow. wink
      4. depressant
        depressant 20 December 2020 09: 42
        +2
        Probably, it was so in those years with frost in the suburbs. But such frosts are now short-term. Immediately follows a thaw almost to a plus, or even a plus. In the tenth, it happened, as it charges minus 20, and from day to day you freeze through and through. The houses were also freezing. My habit, even on a cold summer day, turn on the gas for heating - from there.
      5. Phil77
        Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 46
        +3
        Quote: depressant
        But such frosts are now short-term.

        Winter 16-17 was generally a success. Snow and frost. On New Year's -5, and then again good frosty weather. good
    2. Grim Reaper
      Grim Reaper 20 December 2020 09: 58
      +3
      Quote: Phil77
      Quote: depressant
      ... But 25 minus is something. There were such winters here, in our suburbs. And somehow they imperceptibly disappeared into the past.

      Christmas 2017.-29,9. And snow, snow, snow. It was in Moscow. wink

      82 or 83? May. Or earlier? 1-3 And snow, snow, snow. Two days, it hit the roof. And the coldest in the 70s, it was before - 45. Now there is no such thing.
    3. Phil77
      Phil77 20 December 2020 10: 06
      +3
      Quote: Grim Reaper
      Now there is no such thing.

      My answer is 10.03. I'm sitting in the kitchen, drinking coffee, looking at the outside-window thermometer. -5. Norma? I think yes. Although, of course, I want it stronger. In the sense of frost. It was snowing yesterday. Different years, different winters. hi
      ABOUT! It's snowing again!
    4. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 20 December 2020 10: 16
      +2

      I'm going to peel off the snow.
    5. Korsar4
      Korsar4 20 December 2020 13: 50
      +2
      And now it's snowing. Glad.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 18
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    14 years before the sinking of the Titanic, the then unknown American writer wrote the novel Futility. The book describes the wreck of a huge liner called "Titan". After the sinking of the Titanic, author Morgan Robertson was named one of the greatest prophets of the XNUMXth century. "

    Lyudmila Yakovlevna, good morning to you! Do you know that there are two versions of this * novel *? One by the author, and the other, slightly edited, * adjusted *? And * adjusted * it already ... after April 1912. Now it is called would be a competent PR campaign. wink
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 10: 18
    +1
    Good morning, Seryozha!)))
    No, I did not know about this fact. So, it means that they will correct here, correct there, and everything will be done a little bit. And now the true history appears in a completely different light.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 10: 25
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    in a completely different light.


    This is a monument to men of the * Titanic *, created at the expense of women, and under the terms of fundraising, no more than $ 1 could be donated. 25000 were raised.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 10: 47
    +1
    If you had not said that this is a monument to men, I would have decided that women)))
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 10: 29
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    will correct here,

    In principle, no one took this * novel * seriously, it is something like the current RenTV.
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 10: 45
    +1
    Yes, but this Ren TV was written 14 years before the sinking of the Titanic. With matching details.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 11: 20
    +2
    Quote: depressant
    "Titanic". With matching details

    Oooh! Well, okay. One of the deceased passengers, William Steed / a rather well-known personality at that time, a mystic, journalist, little by little a writer / also had a story with a similar plot published shortly before the disaster: a ship, an iceberg, a death.
    Well, the plot is just on the surface! It's a sin not to write, and then off we go. Ah, ah, ah! He predicted the future! Why not RenTV?
  • depressant
    depressant 20 December 2020 11: 36
    +2
    Well, "ship, iceberg, death" shortly before real events could already be insider information. After all, they say that the death of the Titanic was necessary in order to drive the population of developed countries into a state of intolerable horror, forcing people to psychologically accept the inevitability of the impending First World War. So that pacifists do not blather. When a person is morally crushed, he accepts everything vile that he would not accept in a normal state. After all, the firms that created the Titanic did not go on the voyage as planned. They knew that the route lay through the suddenly advancing ice fields. But the route was not changed. World politics needed the death of the Titanic as it now needs the COVID-19 epidemic. So maybe it was a leak of information. Yes, like "Mario is going to rob the bank!"
  • Phil77
    Phil77 20 December 2020 11: 49
    +3
    Quote: depressant
    After all, they say that the death of the Titanic was necessary in order to drive the population of developed countries into a state of intolerable horror, forcing people to psychologically accept the inevitability of the impending First World War.

    Lyudmila Yakovlevna! The death of the steamer, the result of a chain of accidents and the human factor! No more! The conspiracy theory does not dance here. Absolutely! By the way, this was discussed on RenTV, as well as torpedoing by a German submarine. There are facts. The first is Captain Smith's indifference / six Warnings! Six! Damn it! /. The second is the late detection of the iceberg, but I would not blame Fleet for this. The third is probably Murdoch's wrong commands, but this is again from the position of today. And most importantly, the iceberg! Were it not for us would not know about this ship. hi
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 19 December 2020 13: 08
    +7
    In Genoa, in the Museum of the Navy, several halls imitate the premises of the steamers that carried emigrants, cabins of different classes, the wheelhouse, all this is accompanied by the appropriate sound design. For Italians, this is a whole topic.
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2020 13: 17
      +7
      The same rooms are in the maritime museums of Barcelona, ​​Loriet de Mar and Venice ... Well, of course - for them it was a whole era.
    2. Phil77
      Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 38
      +3
      Quote: mr.ZinGer
      For Italians, this is a whole topic.

      This is true! wink
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 19 December 2020 20: 47
        +3
        There are no gyms in Liberia, but everyone dreams of returning back to America !!!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 19 December 2020 18: 44
    +1
    "Those who were lucky to survive" Sergey, even if they were given rotten fish, they were happy that they survived. I fully admit that many of the emigrants have not even heard of coffee
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 19 December 2020 18: 53
      +4
      Quote: Astra wild2
      "Those who were lucky to survive" Sergey, even if they were given rotten fish, they were happy that they survived.

      What are you talking about? What is the relationship between what was fed and those who survived this catastrophe? Perhaps I did not understand something? Many people drank coffee at that time, do not think it was a kind of elite drink. There are expensive sorts of coffee, but there are available. It was, is and will be. As well as varieties of whiskey.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 19 December 2020 21: 03
        +1
        I doubt that the peasants knew coffee. However, among the passengers: "Titanic" peasants were few.
        Р
        S
        "What is the relationship"? A person who has survived such a disaster will be immensely happy about the menu. I burst out a little: Vyacheslav Olegovich talked about immigrants to America, and thinking about them, I wrote about the Titanic.
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 20 December 2020 11: 35
          +2
          Quote: Astra wild2
          I doubt that the peasants knew coffee. However, among the passengers: "Titanic" peasants were few.

          Well, what can you call the rural inhabitants of Europe? And the inhabitants of the Middle East, of whom there were quite a few on the steamer? They did not know and did not drink coffee ?! And this, by the way, was the absolute majority of the passengers of the 3rd class.
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 20 December 2020 12: 52
            +2
            Sergei, I was talking about Russian peasants.
            Probably you have a good command of the topic: "Titanic"?
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 20 December 2020 13: 44
              +1
              Quote: Astra wild2
              I was talking about Russian peasants

              It was not purely Russian / ethnically /.
              Quote: Astra wild2
              Are you good at Titanic?

              Not a pro. At an amateur level. hi
      2. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 19 December 2020 21: 05
        +2
        "like whiskey" what I haven't tried is whiskey and they are all the same to me
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 19 December 2020 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: Astra wild2
          they are all the same to me

          Need to fix. wink
          1. Astra wild2
            Astra wild2 20 December 2020 13: 07
            +1
            Thank you. I remember how the apartment was celebrated in the restaurant and now I am ashamed. In the morning I woke up: dirty and wet as a pig. My head hurts, my mouth hurts ... It's good that someone has sauerkraut. She was saved
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 20 December 2020 13: 45
              +1
              Quote: Astra wild2
              and now it's a shame.

              Oh, nonsense! Who doesn't happen to ?! It's okay. wink
              1. Astra wild2
                Astra wild2 20 December 2020 14: 11
                +1
                Then he explained to me: after vodka, wine is not good. I remember the beginning of "Absolute", "Golitsin" and Spanish, or maybe vice versa.? This year I made a grape for the holidays
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 20 December 2020 14: 17
                  +1
                  Quote: Astra wild2
                  : after vodka, wine is not good.

                  From a low degree to a high degree. Otherwise it is impossible.
                  Quote: Astra wild2
                  This year I made a grape for the holidays

                  It's great, it's both tasty and for the soul ... healthy.
                  1. Astra wild2
                    Astra wild2 20 December 2020 14: 32
                    +1
                    This year, for the first time in my life, I made
      3. bubalik
        bubalik 19 December 2020 21: 09
        +4
        Nothing relieves sleepiness like a cup of strong
        sweet, hot coffee,
        spilled on the stomach.
        People's omen
  • Revolver
    Revolver 19 December 2020 07: 29
    +7
    Read Sholem Aleichem "Boy Motl", the life of the immigrants of those times is very badly captured there. You can start right away by arriving in America
    http://flibusta.is/b/450067/read#t24 а если есть время и желание, начните сначала, очень живо написано и есть такие моменты что окажетесь "пацталом". laughing good
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  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 19 December 2020 08: 15
    +8
    Well, as for our hypothetical migrant artisan,
    Interestingly, I have one association with Pavel Vlasov?
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2020 08: 33
      +5
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Interestingly, I have one association with Pavel Vlasov?

      You can't be so smart Anton, you can't!
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 December 2020 09: 05
        +5
        Did you really guess the prototype of your hero?
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2020 10: 08
          +4
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          Did you really guess the prototype of your hero?

          One to one.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 19 December 2020 10: 35
            +5
            It's funny. Exactly 30 years ago, I fiercely argued with our "literary lady", proving to her the groundlessness of the motivations that led Paul to the revolutionary path.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 19 December 2020 09: 59
        +7
        All the more so to wear glasses and wear a hat! The fucking intelligentsia ... angry
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2020 10: 11
          +7
          Quote: Sea Cat
          All the more so to wear glasses and wear a hat!

          Oh, Constantine! In a hat and a cloak with a white silk scarf I went to the institute ... But without glasses! Now I wear dark glasses, but wearing a work cap with ears is convenient! He doesn't look like an intellectual at all.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 19 December 2020 10: 13
            +9
            "Azazello, you do not look like an archire!" (from) laughing
        2. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 19 December 2020 10: 19
          +6
          What am I like Boyarsky?
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 19 December 2020 10: 21
            +7
            Not, not at all. I didn't mean to offend you. And in general, in relation to the archpriest, I had in mind Vyacheslav.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 19 December 2020 17: 46
              +2
              Kostya, hello. But I did not know that V.O the bishop
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 19 December 2020 17: 58
                +3
                Hello! I just meant, sho wines are not like him. laughing
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 19 December 2020 18: 17
                  +1
                  Let's ask him, what if he thinks differently?
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 19 December 2020 18: 20
                    +3
                    Well, ask, for the demand, you know ... laughing
        3. Fat
          Fat 19 December 2020 11: 41
          +7
          Quote: Sea Cat
          ... and wear a hat! ...

          When he worked at a design institute, he wore a wide-brimmed felt hat. Practical for surveying and fishing (there were 2 gray and black in the wardrobe). The older sister and especially her husband were categorically against: "In a hat you look like a bandit"(!) - and they gave me a leather cap for my birthday. My dog ​​put an end to the style disagreements, one day, having eaten both hats in one sitting ... Now in winter I wear a fleece baseball cap with ears, no objections are received. laughing
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 19 December 2020 13: 02
            +7
            After military service, I have an idiosyncrasy for hats, only when absolutely necessary. smile
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 45
            +6
            Quote: Thick
            "You look like a bandit in the hat"

            wink
            1. Fat
              Fat 19 December 2020 14: 26
              +3
              I turned the fields down so that rainwater would not accumulate, and so yes yes
              1. Fat
                Fat 19 December 2020 14: 40
                +4
                "If a man in a tavern does not take off his hat, then he is at work." (C)
            2. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 19 December 2020 14: 55
              +5
              Simply, "Song of the Quiet Don"! laughing
              1. Fat
                Fat 19 December 2020 16: 53
                +4
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                Simply, "Song of the Quiet Don"! laughing

                And then!
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 19 December 2020 18: 14
                  +6
                  Simply, "The song is about the quiet don and his best friend Tommy. bully

                  "There were two comrades, yeah ..." (c)
                  1. Fat
                    Fat 19 December 2020 18: 22
                    +4
                    The mole grabbed my top three while I served in an urgent service. Sorry 180 rubles fellow from the first part-time hack. One vest from cardin and remained crying drinks
                    Pure wool!
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 19 December 2020 18: 38
                      +3
                      "Should we be sad about the old days ..." (c) drinks
                      1. Fat
                        Fat 19 December 2020 19: 26
                        +2
                        Well ... I don’t know, the badge "deputi sheriff" hangs on the vest - Friends, from those who settled in the FRG, fitted them ... A six-pointed asterisk by the way .... I look and think it’s bad ... drinks angry
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 December 2020 19: 35
                        +5
                        "And you, while you are alive, be silent and rejoice, the sheriff" (c)
                      3. bubalik
                        bubalik 19 December 2020 19: 43
                        +4
                        "Your badge! Show him your BADGE!"
                        (C) laughing
                      4. Fat
                        Fat 19 December 2020 19: 51
                        +4
                        Stormy, incessant applause! (25 minutes) ... Never in my life followed the "moral code of the builder of communism" ...
                        And so, I have a daughter with two upper educations and a couple of wonderful grandchildren. laughing repeat
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 December 2020 21: 07
                        +4
                        Never in my life followed the "moral code of the builder of communism" ....


                        Lucky! bully drinks
                      6. Fat
                        Fat 19 December 2020 21: 44
                        +5
                        not being a "member of the Komsomol committee" and organizer of the "Komsomol searchlight" I showed off for the first and last time ...
                        Question: "How to evaluate the activity in the trusted area?"
                        I hate performing in front of a large audience ever since.
                        Answer: "Nothing! - there was no activity" ... It somehow got off, and then everything was "don't care" ... The dean's office appointed the headman right from the moment he entered the university ... For cho, damn it, such a 17-year-old cheerful ? In the group, the guys were with experience, you will swing ...
                        So I wear the stupid nickname "old man" on me ... among classmates, it's 17 years old .... They still kick it, on occasion request
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 December 2020 22: 13
                        +4
                        I was expelled from the Komsomol before the army, so it was fun. laughing
                      8. Fat
                        Fat 19 December 2020 22: 49
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I was expelled from the Komsomol before the army, so it was fun. laughing

                        One can only envy, your conscience is clear. The fatherland was served not as a representative of "leading and directing", but as a citizen fulfilling his duty by serving the fatherland ....
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 December 2020 22: 51
                        +5
                        It is easy and pleasant to repay a debt when it is interesting to yourself. It was interesting to me, and, although anything happened, I remember these three years with pleasure.
                        "How young we were ..." (c)
                      10. Fat
                        Fat 19 December 2020 22: 57
                        +2
                        "... sincerely loved" (c) Maybe this is a lost key from ... I don't even know what ...
                      11. Catfish
                        Catfish 19 December 2020 23: 05
                        +3
                        Who knows who will say ...
                      12. Fat
                        Fat 19 December 2020 23: 23
                        +2
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Who knows who will say ...

                        Sichaz will definitely get lost drinks
  • Phil77
    Phil77 19 December 2020 19: 03
    +5
    Quote: Sea Cat
    "There were two comrades, yeah ..." (c)

    1. Catfish
      Catfish 19 December 2020 19: 12
      +6
      Unforgettable bully

      1. Phil77
        Phil77 19 December 2020 19: 40
        +5
        Quote: Sea Cat
        Unforgettable

        Ah, borsalino, my borsalino!

        * I don’t drink ... cologne! *
        Alain Delon.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 19 December 2020 21: 03
        +5
        "Alain Delon speaks French ..." (c)
        Respects and studies materiel laughing
  • Fat
    Fat 19 December 2020 20: 26
    +3
    "And finally, the highlight of the program is the tommigan " (c) I don’t know about the majority, but I’m quite sure that all attempts to limit the turnover of alcoholic beverages lead to a sharp increase in social protest ... I didn’t think about how it was in the USA, but in Russia it’s almost a direct relationship. Of course, after that does not mean because of that, But the fact on the face ...
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 20 December 2020 09: 06
      +2
      Quote: Thick
      I do not know about the majority, but I am quite sure that all attempts to limit the circulation of alcoholic beverages lead to a sharp increase in social protest

      Good morning, Andrei Borisovich!
      But I'm sure that any attempts to limit this turnover lead to * the rise * of such specific guys. bully
  • Alf
    Alf 19 December 2020 17: 38
    +3
    Quote: Thick
    The point in the style disagreements was put by my dog, one day, having devoured both hats in one sitting ...
    having said, Master, it does not suit you!
    1. Fat
      Fat 19 December 2020 18: 52
      +4
      Come on! In a troika and a raincoat, I was more than just handsome, irresistible! But my basset loved football and I didn't. Over the years and the creation of a monument to the basset hound in the center of Kostroma, the unforgettable Archie (bald - that's what the boys in the yard called him, because he clearly knew which gate to bring the ball into), I'll think about it. Maybe the truth "does not go" .... Public opinion means a lot. what
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 December 2020 08: 27
    +8
    A wonderful article in its interesting content!
    About five years ago, I saw on TV a program in which they told how a doctor examined emigrants:
    The paramedic stood on the site, under the banner. Several dozen steps led to it.
    And so he, from above, in a couple of minutes of cursory inspection, selected those to whom he had questions:
    If a person rose slowly, it means problems with cardiovascular or breathing, if he limped, and so on - musculoskeletal, squinting while reading a poster - vision ... And so on.
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Saturday at VO, thanks to you, is interesting.
  • bubalik
    bubalik 19 December 2020 08: 29
    +8
    Therefore, is it necessary to be surprised at the law passed in 1882,
    ,,, the Chinese can be distinguished into a separate category of migrants.
    ,,,, the Chinese were ready to work for minimal money, and at the same time they did twice as many whites - therefore, the latter were increasingly denied jobs. Riots began - and in 1882 the first law restricting emigration was passed - The Chinese Exclusion Act. According to him, the United States stopped letting Chinese workers in, and those who were already in America were denied citizenship, they were forbidden to go to colleges, and their wives and children were not allowed to visit them. And if an American woman suddenly married a Chinese, she was deprived of her citizenship. The brutal act was to the liking of the locals - and in 1904 it was declared indefinite.

    It was canceled only in 1943 - due to the fact that China was an ally of the United States during the war with Japan. The 1943 Magnuson Act established that those Chinese who are already in America can obtain citizenship, but limited the number of Chinese immigrants to 105 per year. In 1956, an amnesty program was adopted, which allowed those who married an American or married an American to obtain citizenship. This program also canceled the deportation of those who arrived in America before 1940.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 19 December 2020 09: 50
      +6
      And if some American woman suddenly married a Chinese, she was deprived of her citizenship.
      Direct violation of the Fourteenth Amendment.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 December 2020 11: 57
      +4
      Quote: bubalik
      According to him, the United States stopped letting Chinese workers

      And then the Japanese. And then the Indians - because they ... are not white and this was absolutely officially declared.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 19 December 2020 18: 05
      +2
      "She married a Chinese man, she was deprived of her citizenship," and that's where Hitler got the "Race Protection Law" from. I remember: the Fuhrer strictly monitors that there are no such marriages
  • odometer
    odometer 19 December 2020 08: 35
    +6
    V.Korolenko has a story "Without a Language", about the life of emigrants in the United States.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 19 December 2020 08: 40
    +7
    This is how emigrants found their way to the “promised land” at the beginning of the XNUMXth century. And as you can see it was not easy at all.


    It is not at all easy to do this today.

    If it was accepted today as it was then, then millions and by no means Europeans would arrive in the United States per day.
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 19 December 2020 09: 54
      +6
      Quote: Olgovich
      not at all Europeans

      Good morning Andrey! But the Mexicans somehow succeed. wink
      1. Cure72
        Cure72 19 December 2020 09: 56
        +2
        Take ? )))
        1. Phil77
          Phil77 19 December 2020 09: 58
          +6
          No, cross the border, north.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 19 December 2020 10: 18
            +5
            So they have Juarez with Medellin, and they are friends with the ceres, they will transport you whoever you want, even to the south, even to the north, at least to a different reality and dimension. laughing
          2. bubalik
            bubalik 19 December 2020 12: 35
            +3
            Phil77
            Today,

            Sergey, read what I recommended to you?
            Read, if passed by you, Joseph Wembo "New Centurions". To some extent echoes the current article.
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 19 December 2020 12: 43
              +4
              Quote: bubalik
              recommended?

              Not yet. I'm finishing Baldacci, next * 1793 *. In turn, did you find the site? laughing
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 19 December 2020 12: 45
                +2
                ,,, not, so it blocks. negative crying
                1. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 12: 55
                  +3
                  Quote: bubalik
                  blocks

                  Contact the programmer, it's just that there is no other way, you will not regret it. fellow
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 19 December 2020 12: 59
                  +3
                  What are we looking for?
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 06
                    +4
                    Seryoga cannot * e reading * download. Alas and ah.
                    1. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 19 December 2020 13: 11
                      +3
                      I, by the way, too. Six months ago, another wave of blocking began.
                      1. Phil77
                        Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 28
                        +3
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        a wave of locks.

                        Well, I don’t know. I have a * honor * flies with * hurray *. Yes, the addresses change, but I go with ease. The search engine, he gives the answer and went to look for the right one. It flies out immediately what is needed. Why do you guys not so, I just don't understand. belay
                      2. bubalik
                        bubalik 19 December 2020 13: 49
                        +2
                        What browser?
                      3. Phil77
                        Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 53
                        +3
                        Quote: bubalik
                        What browser?

                        Chromium.
                      4. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 19 December 2020 14: 02
                        +3
                        I have a "fox" on my phone, on my laptop - Yandex, chrome and something pre-installed by Samsung. Do not go from either.
                3. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 50
                  +7
                  Reminded!
                  * Mario goes to rob a bank !!! * laughing
                4. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 19 December 2020 13: 53
                  +2
                  I did not catch the association request
                5. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 57
                  +4
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  I did not catch the association

                  Well, what about?
                  * Seryoga cannot download e-reading. * laughing
                6. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 19 December 2020 14: 08
                  +5
                  Like a "festival" about this? I started dulling something ... crying
                7. Phil77
                  Phil77 19 December 2020 14: 13
                  +4
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  , "festival"

                  Well ... well ... yes! laughing
                8. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 19 December 2020 14: 21
                  +3
                  I, in fact, do not understand the essence of this "zapara". You can arrange something like a library collector. A person cannot find the book he needs, I can, I download it, I send it by soap. If necessary, you can contact the citizens of other states.
                9. Esoteric
                  Esoteric 19 December 2020 16: 28
                  +5
                  Well, not necessarily on "soap". Upload to the cloud, google disk, microsoft, yandex (Who has. I do not have yandex in any form). Generate a download link and send it to the same "soap".
  • bubalik
    bubalik 19 December 2020 13: 16
    +3

    Phil77
    Today, 14: 06

    angry well Seryoga,
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 19
      +4
      Quote: bubalik
      well Seryoga


      I'm just standing there, waiting for the opening. laughing
  • bubalik
    bubalik 19 December 2020 13: 07
    +6
    Big secret for little
    For a small company like this,
    For a modest such company
    Such a huge secret! (C) tongue
    1. Phil77
      Phil77 19 December 2020 13: 10
      +5
      Quote: bubalik
      secret

      laughing
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 December 2020 13: 22
        +6
        Oh, come on! Secret, damn it, halfcoats!
      2. bubalik
        bubalik 19 December 2020 13: 40
        +4
        Punchinelle and his bike.
      3. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 19 December 2020 13: 46
        +5
        This is where these "hellish racers" on two-wheeled stools come from! am
      4. Fat
        Fat 19 December 2020 17: 11
        +2
        three-wheeled stools, Anton! laughing
  • vladcub
    vladcub 19 December 2020 18: 11
    +2
    "Where does the gnome go" (c)
  • Alf
    Alf 19 December 2020 17: 40
    +3
    Quote: Phil77
    No, cross the border, north.

    A new subject, pole vaulting, has been introduced into the school curriculum of the Mexican school. laughing
  • k174oun7
    k174oun7 19 December 2020 10: 21
    +6
    Until the 50s, all migrants passed through Ellis Island. There is an interesting museum there. Statistics are cited that about 20% of the arrivals went to an "in-depth" check for diseases or criminals, etc. Of these individuals, 10% were finally eliminated and returned back. So out of 10 settlers 100 remained in America and started a new life. The same museum has an extensive database of visitors, and modern Americans can learn about their roots.
  • Phil77
    Phil77 19 December 2020 10: 58
    +6
    Quote: ycuce234-san
    an influx of rust

    No, this is a clay tile from the galley, into which a spoon and a shard of a plate have literally grown.



    Here are some more photos from the depths of the ocean.
  • Vladimir Volk
    Vladimir Volk 19 December 2020 12: 01
    +1
    One question to the author: why, such crowds did not float to St. Petersburg then?
    1. kalibr
      19 December 2020 13: 13
      +2
      We sailed! A lot of imported whores came to work.
      1. Vladimir Volk
        Vladimir Volk 19 December 2020 18: 31
        0
        links to whores?
        1. kalibr
          19 December 2020 19: 06
          +1
          Quote: Vladimir Volk
          links to whores?

          There will be an article about this. Moreover, the article itself was rewritten by me for 92% novelty on Advego, and the original of my daughter's article is on the E-lab website ... I have no links in the article. She's popular. Scientific articles in the "lab". There you can see everything. The article seems to be called "A Country Where Nothing Changes".
          1. Vladimir Volk
            Vladimir Volk 19 December 2020 20: 01
            0
            I am waiting for an article here and 150 percent. Ie. there should be. more of your thoughts than Stalinist nonsense.
            1. kalibr
              19 December 2020 21: 20
              0
              Quote: Vladimir Volk
              Stalinist nonsense.

              I don't like myself ...
            2. kalibr
              20 December 2020 11: 34
              0
              A land of unchanging paradigms?
              Quote: Vladimir Volk
              I am waiting for an article here and 150 percent. Ie. there should be. more of your thoughts than Stalinist nonsense.

              The article in question will be called: A land of unchanging paradigms? She is already under moderation
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 19 December 2020 12: 09
    +6
    Great article, great comments. Apparently, the topic is really interesting to many and many of them have quite a decent amount of knowledge.
    The question "how America became great" has always been interesting for me, but I was in no hurry to deal with it, put it off for later. I have a definite, most general idea of ​​this process, but I clearly lack some color in the form of historical specifics. Thanks to the author and some commentators - you managed to broaden my horizons somewhat. smile
  • Operator
    Operator 19 December 2020 12: 36
    +2
    The northern border of the United States (with the exception of Alaska) is located south of Kiev plus the Gulf Stream on the Atlantic coast and the California Current on the Pacific coast form extremely favorable climatic conditions for the population and economy. In this connection, one can understand those who emigrated to the United States.

    It is much easier to live and develop the economy (including industry with low costs for capital construction and heating) there than in Russia, with the exception of the Central Black Earth and North Caucasian regions with a small area with a high population density.

    The situation changed only after WWII, when scientific and technological progress made it possible to reduce the cost of energy resources, construction methods and agricultural technologies, and most importantly, to make the key factor of production its science intensity, which does not depend on the climate. As a result, the prime cost of the Russian industrial and agricultural sector has approached the American and European ones.

    In this connection, Russia's competitiveness may no longer be based on low wages. Plus, our advanced technologies that have no analogues abroad (rocket-space, nuclear, underwater and biological types of vaccine production) allow us to compensate for the worst natural and climatic conditions in Russia.

    We just have to become the leaders in the field of computer technology and it will be possible to permanently put a bolt on all sorts of different Latin-African America and Arab-Turkish Europe (Asia with a copy-paste mentality and adrenaline Africa is out of business).
    1. Operator
      Operator 19 December 2020 13: 21
      +4
      Due to global climate change (the California Current retreat from the Pacific coast of North America, the beginning of the Little Ice Age on the Atlantic coast due to atmospheric changes in the Arctic), the civil and industrial infrastructure of the United States and Canada will require huge funds to bring it into line with the decrease in the average annual temperature and desertification of territories.

      In particular, it will require massive insulation of all residential and industrial premises, the transition from air conditioning to heating the premises, the use of double-glazed window frames, the rejection of solid glazing, the re-laying of foundations and underground communications (not designed for freezing of the soil), connection to automobile and iron earth cushion roads designed for seasonal soil movements from soil freezing, etc.

      In agriculture, the area under corn - the basis of cheap livestock farming in North America - will sharply decrease. In the plains of Canada and the United States, due to the shortening of the growing season, wheat yields will decrease. Due to desertification and the lack of natural reserves of fresh water in the southern regions, crop yields will fall.

      North America, in terms of its natural and climatic conditions, will return to the situation of the Middle Ages, when at first the Scandinavian, and then other European colonists could not gain a foothold on its territory, and emigration to the New World was not popular.

      The beginning of mass emigration was laid by the inhabitants of Britain - Cromwell's supporters after the onset of reaction in the form of the restoration of the monarchy, continued by the inhabitants of Ireland after the famine in their homeland. And after the onset of the climatic maximum, all and sundry floated to North America for a well-fed life.

      From the Russian Empire in the late 19th - early 20th centuries, it was not Russians who emigrated, but Jews for the same reasons as the British in the 17th century - for political freedom. Now, due to the political instability in the United States, we can expect a return migration of Jews to Israel.
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 20 December 2020 12: 09
        +1
        How else would the Gulf Stream be taken from Geyropa. Let them know!
        1. Operator
          Operator 20 December 2020 12: 39
          -3
          The Little Ice Age in North America has already begun without any change in the route of the Gulf Stream - only by changing the direction of the transfer of Arctic air masses from European to American.

          Against the background of the mexiconizing USA, the pro-American Europe will come to the Arctic fox even without climate change bully
  • Narak-zempo
    Narak-zempo 20 December 2020 12: 05
    +1
    Well, as for our hypothetical migrant artisan, he most likely went to Hartford, where he got a job at an arms factory. And there, over time, he became a respected master, successfully married (the daughter of an old master).

    Instead of loyally and spiritually stretching his legs from hunger / consumption at home (well, because, say, his talents were not in demand at some state-owned arms factory), he dared to stay alive, and even make a weapon with which through 2-3 decades will already threaten his compatriots.
    So his children were already considered one hundred percent Americans and went to study who went to college, and who even went to university. This also happened and not so rarely.

    And the descendants - so in general now 146% pindos'y and Russophobes.
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 21 December 2020 19: 14
    0
    Quote: Stroporez
    Quote: Krasnodar
    Well, everything began so culturally

    Eh, it always starts like this laughing drinks

    And how does it end?