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Marine stories. Torpedo nightmare September 15, 1942

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At the other end of the world, in the United States, some still argue about this stories, fortunately, there is something. Why they argue in the United States - it will become clear at the end of the article, but in principle we know what prestige is for Americans ... And then they smacked them with torpedoes on prestige. And how ...



So, on a white day on September 15, 1942, a rather large detachment of American ships marched towards Guadalcanal, where serious battles were unfolding at that time. By that time, the United States and Japan had already exchanged slaps in the face of the battle at Midway and the battle at Savo Island, so that both sides were, to put it mildly, on a combat platoon. Especially the Americans, who just a month ago lost 4 heavy cruisers overnight.

The Big Squad needs a decryption, doesn't it? And he was really big.

Two aircraft carriers, Wasp and Hornet.


That's a lot, that's 150 aircraft.

The battleship "North Carolina".

Marine stories. Torpedo nightmare September 15, 1942

Heavy cruisers Pensacola.


Light cruiser "Helena".


4 destroyers.


All this rather large group of ships covered "only" 6 transports on which the 7th US Marine Regiment was transported to Guadalcanal, which was supposed to replenish the battered ranks of the 1st Marine Division on Guadalcanal.

The so-called "torpedo crossing" began 250 miles from Guadalcanal, an area where Japanese submarines were very actively "grazing". It was in this area that the aircraft carrier "Saratoga" was torpedoed in August, not fatally, but offensively. For a month and a half of repair.

So the destroyers' acoustics were on their toes, hydroacoustic contacts in the area were something commonplace, so surely everyone was on full alert. Moreover, the weather was so-so: sunny, a fairly strong trade wind, the entire surface of the water in "lambs", that is. To see the raised periscope is very, very difficult, even if you look. And if you don't look ...

The two huge ships (Hornet and Wasp) were sailing at some distance, which was generally quite reasonable. Each of the aircraft carriers had their own cover group. The distance between aircraft carriers did not exceed 10 miles, that is, they observed each other quite normally.

At about 13 o'clock "Wasp", turning against the wind, began to release duty links. The second group also turned in this direction so as not to move away. When the planes took off, the ships returned to their previous course of 280 degrees, towards Guadalcanal. This happened around 14 pm.


At this point, on Pensacola and North Carolina, observers noticed that something was happening on the Waspe. Several aircraft were dropped from the deck into the water and sank behind the stern of the aircraft carrier, which began to slow down. At the same time, no signals from radio, searchlight or flags were observed.

The distance between the ships at that time was about 6 miles, so everything was excellently observed. But on the Hornet escort ships, this did not cause any fears, the procedure for dropping aircraft during a fire was common. About as common as a fire on an aircraft carrier, where, to be fair, there was always something to burn.

So when a cloud of black smoke billowed up over the Wasp, no one was particularly worried. A fire on an aircraft carrier is a common thing, the ships of the covering group are nearby, if anything is critical, they will call for help. 6 miles is not a distance.

And everyone calmly watched the show unfolding. The smoke intensified, the Wasp actually drifted, and there was no one on the deck. The first flames appeared, breaking through the flight deck.


The problem was that the Hornet's group was on the LEFT of the Wasp, and all the most interesting things were on the RIGHT side of the Wasp, where three torpedoes came one after another. But from all observers it was closed by the huge hull of the ship.

That is why, looking at the Wasp, the Hornet's group continued to turn to 280. They did not see the severity of the damage and did not understand that the entire crew had fought with fire and water. The damage was very serious, three Japanese torpedoes are three Japanese torpedoes. Not Long Lance 610 mm, Type 95 533 mm, but essentially the same Long Lance Type 93, but reduced for use on submarines.

The same 405 kg (for the first model) or 550 kg (for the second) explosives, a range of 9 km at 50 knots or 12 km at 45 knots. In general, much better than the same Americans.

And such three torpedoes hit the Wasp.

In principle, one and a half tons of explosive is a lot even for an aircraft carrier. The crew, of course, did everything they could, but the explosions destroyed the fuel lines for supplying aviation fuel, and the spilled gasoline made it very difficult to burn the fight for survivability.

On the rest of the ships, little by little they began to realize that fierce game was going on and it was necessary to somehow react.

At that moment, the receivers came to life and the first radio message arrived. It turned out to be incomplete.

"... the torpedo was heading for formation at the rate of zero - eight - zero."

Since the message was completely incomprehensible, no one began to puzzle. It would be worth it. The radio message was transmitted by the destroyer Lansdowne, which approached the Wasp to provide assistance and was partially shielded by the hull of the aircraft carrier from other ships.


In general, everyone spat on the radio. Nobody just understood who it came from and to whom it was addressed.

But just a few minutes later, another radiogram came:
"... the torpedo has just passed my stern and is heading towards you."

It is also incomplete, and it is also not clear who this "you" is. On the air, as expected, there was an uproar and a mess, as usually happens in such incomprehensible situations.

It quickly became clear that the radiogram came from the destroyer Mastin. On it, realizing that the radio message "did not reach", they raised a flag signal warning of a torpedo attack.

In general, the signal did not bring clarity, since it was completely unclear which ship was meant by the target of the attack.

Of course, everyone on the ships became agitated and began to look out for a torpedo in the waves. And the commanders of the ships began to give orders for maneuvers.

The Hornet was the first to go into the sharp right turn, followed by the North Carolina. Naturally, all the other escort ships also began to turn in the direction from which the torpedoes were supposed to come.

Everything was perfectly logical and correct. But luck in such matters is a very useful and significant thing.

At 14-27 the torpedo struck exactly in the nose of the destroyer "O'Brien". The bow was actually destroyed, the destroyer stopped, the crew began to fight for the life of the ship.


At 14-32 another torpedo struck the port side of the battleship "North Carolina", in the bow.

The nightmare began.

The squad leader, who was on the Hornet, gave the order to increase the speed to 25 knots and turn right twice in succession. The ships obeyed the command, even the North Carolina, which received about a thousand tons of water, received a 5,5 degrees list, but the crew quickly stopped the water flow and straightened the ship by counter-flooding.

The North Carolina certainly had a well-trained crew.

The destroyer Mastin, under which the torpedo passed (which was observed by many of the crew), suddenly reported that it had established hydroacoustic contact with the submarine, which was at a distance of 3 kilometers from the warrant. Acoustics "Mastina" gave a bearing to the target, the destroyer made an attack with depth charges, dropping 9 pieces. Contact with the boat was lost and could not be restored.

This does not mean that the boat was destroyed. Most likely, she simply was not in that place.

At the same time, the destroyers from the Wasp group were doing the same thing, although their bearings indicated that the boat was about 7 kilometers from the place where Mastin was dropping bombs. Most likely, the results of the work of the destroyers were about the same.

Meanwhile, on the O'Brien, the crew fought desperately and very successfully with the results of the explosion. The damage turned out to be very significant, but the flow of water was able to stop and the ship reached the base in New Caledonia on its own. A preliminary repair was made there, after which it was decided to send the destroyer for normal repairs in the United States.

However, during the passage in the area of ​​the Samoa Islands, on October 19, 1942, with relatively little waves, the destroyer broke and sank. All the same, the damage to the hull from the torpedo affected.

The Wasp continued to burn. Something continued to explode on the ship. Initially, the spilled fuel caused fires of such intensity that a lot of the ship's equipment was removed. The command of the aircraft carrier was so absorbed in fighting the fires that it ceased to lead the escort ships.

However, closer to 15 o'clock it became clear that the aircraft carrier would not be able to defend. At 15-20 the detachment commander gave the order to leave the ship and sink it. The evacuation of the crew to the escort ships began. And at 21-00 the destroyer Lansdowne delivered the last blow with three torpedoes.

The loss of the Wasp crew was 193 killed and 367 wounded.

In general, of course, the story is unpleasant. The aircraft carrier was lost, the destroyer was subsequently lost. The battleship got up for repairs. And all from a single torpedo salvo.

So they began to come up with excuses. And it was logical. It is one thing if a flock of Japanese submarines operated in the area, which fired such a cloud of torpedoes that there was simply no chance of dodging them.

Particularly zealous in the reports were the members of the O'Brien's crew, who wrote such that it could be concluded that three submarines were simultaneously operating in the square. A very serious force.

However, the post-war proceedings allow us to conclude with certainty that the boat was alone. Although it was very difficult to do this, because there were practically no participants in this event.

Yes, boat J-15 was nearby and the sinking of the Wasp was observed from it, immediately reporting this news to the headquarters in Truk Atoll.

But the honor of sinking the aircraft carrier belongs to another boat, J-19, which also gave a radiogram, in which it reported that it had torpedoed the aircraft carrier Wasp.


However, neither J-15 nor J-19 reported hits on North Carolina and O'Brien. Which is understandable if the boats were in such a way that the Wasp covered the rest of the detachment's ships from them.

Historians have had many problems in finding the truth. The J-15 sank off Guadalcanal on November 2, 1942, and the J-19 did not return from combat patrols in late 1943 from the Gilbert Islands area. Plus the famous Tokyo fire in 1945, when many documents of the Japanese fleet... It is clear that after the war, much was rebuilt in hot pursuit, but it was really difficult to find something about this case.

Which gave rise to many interpretations.

For example, that J-19 was hit by torpedoes at Wasp, and J-15 sent its torpedoes to O'Brien and North Carolina. Many American researchers of the history of the fleet supported this version. It was more beneficial to them, since it is one thing when 12 out of 5 torpedoes hit, and quite another thing when 5 out of 6.

In the second case, the American sailors appear too in an ugly light, because they missed the volley and could not dodge the torpedoes.

Why exactly 12? It's simple. If there were two boats, then, according to the instructions (confirmed by Japanese naval officers), ANY boat should fire at an aircraft carrier-class ship or battleship with an exceptionally full salvo. In our case, with the J-15 and J-19 of the same type, these are exactly six torpedoes in the nose tubes.

This means that two boats could fire exactly twelve torpedoes. Which should have been noticed and tried to dodge them. That the Americans did not succeed at all.

If we take into account the opinion of the author of many monographs and articles, an expert on submarine warfare, German Jürgen Rover, who, having studied everything he could reach, came to the conclusion that one boat was shooting. J-19.

J-19 fires six torpedoes at Wasp. Three torpedoes hit, three logically go further. They overcome several miles, which separated the groups of ships, find (two of them) targets from the Hornet detachment, whose ships have turned on torpedoes, thereby making the torpedo's task easier.

True, this version was categorically rejected by the American naval circles, but they still have not presented any detailed refutation.

According to the recollections of the Wasp crew members who were on the bridge at that moment, four torpedoes were seen. One passed by, the rest were hit. It is clear that the Americans noticed the torpedoes when it was too late. It is clear that it was too late to dodge. Blinked.

But the fact that a full salvo with its half passed by and a battleship and a destroyer ran into these torpedoes. That does not honor the American sailors for the second time, since the Wasp could have reported torpedo hits, and the destroyers could duplicate messages about the attack.

It is clear that the commander of J-19, Captain 2nd Rank Takaichi Kinashi could not expect such significant results. And the Japanese simply could not see the results of hits in "North Carolina" and "O'Brien".


Takaichi Kinashi

First, the Wospa's hull could close the rest of the ships from the crew of the boat. Secondly, the battleship and the destroyer were quite far away by themselves. Thirdly, the J-19 crew most likely practiced the commands for turning, diving and fleeing from the battlefield. And that's okay for a well-trained and well-trained crew. Given the presence of destroyers, a successful salvo was to be followed by an imminent attack by the destroyers.

The Americans point out that torpedoes from the J-19 would have to travel too long to hit a battleship and destroyer. Yes, if these were the old Type 89 torpedoes, it would be so. "Type 89" could pass 45 kilometers at 5,5 nodes, and 35 km at 10 nodes.

Alas, according to the Japanese fleet, both the J-15 and the J-19 were equipped with a new generation of torpedoes, the Type 95. This torpedo could travel almost 12 kilometers in a 45-knot course. This is more than enough to get past the Wasp and get into other ships.

Attempts by the Americans to involve J-15, along with J-19, in order to somewhat smooth out the impression of this incident, are understandable. But alas, in all the Japanese documents that have survived to this day, there is not a word about the participation of J-15 in the attack on a detachment of ships.

Code of honor, you know ... Samurai are such people ...

Can we say that the crew of Takaichi Kinashi's boat was lucky? Can. Does it belittle his merits? No. So the J-19 result is the most outstanding among divers around the world. Three ships in one salvo, hitting five out of six torpedoes - it's incredible. Yes, a huge element of luck, but nevertheless - two ships were destroyed, one was repaired.

One way or another, but this incredible luck J-19 occupies a unique place among the achievements of submariners of all fleets of the world.

If we restore the chronology, we get the following picture:

Submarine J-19 launched the attack at about 14-44. Six Type 95 torpedoes were fired at the Wasp aircraft carrier. Most likely, the torpedoes came out at intervals of 30 seconds, since the system for filling the pipes with water to compensate for the weight was very primitive. And after the volley, to be in front of the entire escort with a poster "Gentlemen, executioners, I ask you in line" is not for professionals after all.

14-45. Wasp received three torpedo hits on the starboard side. This suggests that the boat was shooting almost point-blank, from one and a half to two kilometers.

The fourth and fifth torpedoes passed in front of the ship's bow, and another one aft. The torpedo that passed astern was seen from the Helena.

14-48. The Lansdowne is watching the torpedo, giving a radio warning.

14-50 The torpedo is seen already from the ship of the Hornet group, the destroyer Mastina. They sent a radio warning and raised the appropriate flag signal.

14-51. "O'Brien" turns sharply to the right in order to avoid being hit by a torpedo, which was in the aft part and immediately gets another torpedo into the bow of the port side.

14-52. The North Carolina is hit, apparently by the same torpedo that had previously passed Mastin and Lansdowne.

The last, sixth torpedo, did not hit anyone.

What can be said in fact. Only the disgusting watch duty on American ships could allow such an incident. This is a fact that is difficult to get rid of. Five out of six torpedoes hit the ships, and nobody really sees them (torpedoes) on a white day.

The fact that the Americans missed the submarine and its torpedoes is half the battle. The second is that for a long time they tried to distort the natural course of events in order to somehow reduce the negative effect of their "feat".

Do not forget that "Wasp" produced aircraft, which were also supposed to carry out patrol service. The detachment was not in the most prosperous area.

But be that as it may, the result of Takaichi Kinashi's J-19 attack cannot but cause admiration for its result. Let the Americans do everything for their part to make it like that.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 25 December 2020 04: 31
    +2
    By 42, the Americans had just begun to deal with their proximity fuses on torpedoes, and I’m not sure, but here there’s such a jab.
    1. bubalik
      bubalik 25 December 2020 18: 11
      +7
      the Americans have just begun to deal with their proximity fuses on torpedoes

      Destroyer commander W.R. Smedberg recalled after the war: "I confess that we did not often manage to practice torpedo firing. Now we got the opportunity to do this. We were separated from the Wasp by about 900 meters. The new torpedoes were so secret that only the commander of the mine-torpedo warhead and I knew that they were equipped with magnetic fuses. It was assumed that the torpedoes would explode in the most vulnerable place of the ship, passing under its bottom. I ordered: "Deepening 15 feet under the keel." The order was executed and we fired. The torpedo rushed straight into the midsection of the aircraft carrier, but ... nothing happened. There was no explosion. Reducing the distance to about 700 meters, we fired another torpedo. This time I gave the order to put a "deepening exactly according to the draft of the Wasp." It was simply impossible to miss. The firing angle was perfect - to the starboard side of the doomed ship. The second torpedo dodged slightly to the right of the middle of the aircraft carrier, and again ... absolutely nothing happened. No explosion sound. In my hearts I exclaimed: "Maybe it's all about these magnetic fuses? Maybe you didn't put them in a combat position? Maybe they are not working at all? "However, the officer objected to me, saying that the fuses were set correctly and that the torpedo sailor was doing everything as expected. Then I ordered:" Set at ten feet. "We fired the last three torpedoes (in this We had only five of them on the campaign.) All three hit and exploded, turning the side of the Wasp: the aircraft carrier began to slowly sink. "
  2. Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 25 December 2020 04: 41
    +20
    Mr. Skoromorokhov continues to write about ships, yes.

    Dear author! An American light cruiser in mid-42 cannot have two towers in the nose. You messed up the CL-50 Helena like Brooklyn

    And a Baltimore-class CA-75 Helena whose photograph was attached.

    Oh yes, from the SRT, one was USS Salt Lake City (CA-25), like yes, Pensacola, but the other was USS San Francisco (CA-38), like New Orleans.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 25 December 2020 05: 57
      +12
      Yes, that's right, a light cruiser was beguiled with a heavy one.

      The cruiser Helena (CA-75) is slowly circulating in Quincy Bay,
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    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 25 December 2020 19: 08
      0
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      Dear author! An American light cruiser in mid-42 cannot have two towers in the nose.

      Get the job done: at the American light cruiser from the military formations of the Pacific Fleet the middle of 42 cannot be in the bow of the two towers. wink
      Because, in general, the USN KRL with two towers in the nose was already in mid-1942: the lead Cleveland entered service exactly in mid-June 1942, and the next ones - every 1-2 months. But they only reached the Kliva MOT after six months.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 25 December 2020 19: 51
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RA
        I'll take a walk

        I'm not even surprised.

        Naturally, I looked at the input of the cleaves when I wrote this. Actually, Cleve was adopted on paper by the Navy on June 15, but in fact, after testing and repairing the power plant, began operations on October 10. In the Atlantic, Torch. He appeared at TO in January 43rd.

        The second, CL-56 Columbia was adopted according to the documents from July, but in connection last minute repairs and other little things in life The channel was held on November 13th.

        Since the first lines of the article say that the ships in question were 250 miles from Guadalcanal, the full phrase sounds like Dear author! An American light cruiser in the Guadalcanal region on September 15, 42 cannot have two towers in the nose.
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 25 December 2020 07: 24
    +6
    "smacked in ....", "fierce game" ...
    Sorry, Roman, did you write an article for schoolchildren from a disadvantaged area?
    Today you have a strange cocktail of technical terms, historical facts and backyard slang. The latter does not do honor.
    1. Rurikovich
      Rurikovich 25 December 2020 08: 14
      +34
      I disagree a little. Nobody argues that the author has a mixture of everything, and inconsistencies with photographic materials have already become common. Not that "Helena", as today, for example, that some comrades have already noticed. It immediately hit me in the eyes. BUT! Personally, I see the author's presentation of the material, rather, as an attempt to popularize the topic of military history and make materials on it more or less accessible and readable for the victims of the exam. For a purely retelling in technical terms will be insipid and uninteresting for them, and an easier presentation in an understandable language can interest them. And then many "too many bukaf" may not master wink smile
      And by the way, Kaptsov wrote in the same vein a few years ago yes But he defended his point of view in the comments. Maybe Roman is also working on mistakes after viewing the comments? - I do not know, I will not argue. But in any case, due to the lack of permanent materials from, for example, Andrey from Chelyabinsk, the presence of these from Skomorokhov is personally welcomed by me, if we omit many inconsistencies, assumptions, inaccuracies and do not find fault with the manner of presentation of the material. request hi
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 25 December 2020 08: 24
        +7
        There is some truth in your words. But it seems to me that the "victims of exam" on the site are present in a minimal percentage. Most of them are cultured, educated and often highly professional people. Most likely, the author wants to be banal to be different from the rest in this manner.
        Although you admit that the reader can be remembered, on the contrary, with balanced, well thought out and correctly illustrated articles. Like the same Andrey from Chelyabinsk or Shpakovsky.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 25 December 2020 09: 04
          +11
          Hi, hi. hi
          Yes, with regard to the "victims of the Unified State Exam" Rurikovich clearly got excited, the victims do not need such sites, although, read some comments, and the hair stands on end, because, judging by their age, if these individuals attended school, then long before any Unified State Exam.
          As for the style of Roman, I am impressed by it, I do not like dry, extremely academic articles, everything seems to be interesting, but the presentation is insipid and read without any taste. But this is already according to the personal perception of each. "Who loves watermelon, and who loves pork cartilage." (C) wink
          1. Kostya Lavinyukov
            Kostya Lavinyukov 25 December 2020 17: 49
            +3
            "Yes, in relation to the" victims of the exam "Rurikovich clearly got excited, the victims do not need such sites." - You are not too flattering about us.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 25 December 2020 17: 59
              +4
              Hello, namesake. hi
              So after all, we are talking about "victims", and not about normal young people, who, unfortunately, have always been fewer and without any USE.
              PS A small note: if you are addressing not a group of comrades, but a specific person, then "you" should be written with a capital letter. smile
              1. bubalik
                bubalik 25 December 2020 18: 07
                +4
                ,,,Konstantin hi do you know how it all began?
                ,,, Task Force TF-39 consisting of Wasp, battleship Washington (flagship), heavy cruisers Wichita, Tuscaloosa and eight destroyers left the United States, heading for the main base of the British fleet Scapa Flow. At the request of Whiston Churchill, American ships were to reinforce the Metropolitan fleet, weakened by the urgent transfer of British ships to the Indian Ocean, where England suffered heavy losses during the Japanese invasion.
                On the very first day of its march across the ocean, the squadron lost its commander. The storm was raging and at 10-30 on the battleship the signal "man overboard!" It was quickly revealed that the man was Rear Admiral John W. Wilcox. The whole squadron, including the "Wasp" aircraft, took up the search. Alas, saving one turned out to be more difficult than once four (on the night of March 7-8, 1941, "Wasp" saved the crew members of the schooner "George E. Klink"). After two hours of unsuccessful searches, the ships moved on. Rear Admiral Robert Griffen assumed command.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 25 December 2020 18: 38
                  +4
                  Hello, Sergey. hi
                  I wonder how he managed to play overboard? I took a little extra whiskey and went to take a piss at the railing, and then a wave, a roll, and hello. Although what kind of list the battleship has ... No, here either my heart caught, or for sure, I took too much on board. What was he supposed to do on deck?
                  1. bubalik
                    bubalik 25 December 2020 18: 46
                    +3
                    ,,, maybe he had a "well-wisher".
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 25 December 2020 18: 48
                      +3
                      "Secrets of the Burgundian Court" or the American Admiralty. Maybe the cook tried to black, which the admiral had called "nigger"? request
        2. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 25 December 2020 09: 08
          +4
          Um ... The site has several dozen constantly commenting. Well, let's say there will be a hundred. Rough, like some kind of assumption. repeat Those. registered persons. Views in a few days have already reached (of this article) several thousand. Site materials are read by thousands of unregistered users. And I give a guarantee that among them there will be a certain percentage of the younger generation, which I described above smile So you and I can speak to Skomorokhov in the comments, but many people read it without this option. Like the same Kolobanov or Shpakovsky. And in a month or two views of the article will go to tens of thousands. But we do not look so much with you. wink Not so simple request
          hi
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      2. Undecim
        Undecim 25 December 2020 14: 03
        +6
        Personally, I see the author's presentation of the material, rather, as an attempt to popularize the topic of military history and make materials on it more or less accessible and readable for the victims of the exam.
        For such "victims" I have long proposed to set aside a separate section such as "For children and youth."
        However, the process of popularizing military history does not consist in distorting it by equipping the text with the slang of young barefoot. An example of the popularization of naval history is Purley's book Tales of Warships. This is really popularization, moreover, not only of history, but also of the ability to express one's thoughts in the correct, literary language, and not an argot of young punks.
        1. Rurikovich
          Rurikovich 25 December 2020 18: 39
          +2
          Quote: Undecim
          However, the process of popularizing military history does not consist in distorting it by equipping the text with the slang of young barefoot.

          Who knows how request wink
          An example of the popularization of naval history is Purley's book Tales of Warships.
          Pikul can also serve as an example. Reading his "Moonsund" or "Cruiser" is still a pleasure ... Embellished? Yes. But fiction differs from documents in that it is possible to add gag without much harm to the facts. yes
          Mr. Skomorokhov writes as he sees fit. If only because practically no one writes so much, but it is necessary to give out materials. After all, many people visit the site every day in search of new articles. repeat
          hi
        2. unknown
          unknown 26 December 2020 09: 36
          +1
          The Duma raised the age of "youth" to 35 years.
          Maybe right.
          Numerous studies in the West have led to the same conclusion: the age of the "ideal soldier" only begins at 35 years old. "Age of management" - from 42. The peak of "age of management" - 55. And then, everything depends on the state of physical and mental health.
      3. wlkw
        wlkw 25 December 2020 15: 30
        +3
        I completely agree with you, this story is interesting to me simply as such. In ships, I can only distinguish a sailboat from an aircraft carrier ....
  4. Cartalon
    Cartalon 25 December 2020 08: 19
    0
    Of course, I'm wildly sorry, but what about kilometers in the article? Really kilometers, milli, cable?
  5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 December 2020 11: 00
    +5
    J-19

    Why "J"? Series "I" like?
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 25 December 2020 17: 36
      +1
      伊 一 五 型 潜水 艦 - Iichi fifth class submarine (yandex translator); Iichigo-class submarine (google translate).
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Why "J"
      "J" - because japan laughing
  6. Cure72
    Cure72 25 December 2020 11: 22
    +1
    Interesting story wink
  7. Engineer
    Engineer 25 December 2020 12: 06
    +9
    For some reason, Wasp evokes special feelings for me. "Shorty" who desperately wanted to fight. A short but bright enough biography.
    Stubbornly did not want to die. After three torpedoes (although sometimes two are indicated, but it seems all the same three) lasted 6 hours in the side, although the fight for survivability was quickly stopped due to obvious hopelessness. Then three more torpedoes and still sank slowly.
    As if I wanted to prove "I am not a scrap of contractual restrictions"
  8. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 25 December 2020 13: 32
    +13
    We must pay tribute to the author - he constructed his story very well. For example, although I knew about the fate of "Wasp", but I also wondered - "what was there next." smile
    The language of presentation is solely the prerogative of the author, here he has the right to choose which vocabulary to use, personally it does not bother me. The author is highly experienced, you do not need to teach him to write. Even if it was written something like "the mattress piece got a good shot at the butt, but didn't play the Titanic right away, it was first played on the Khaza, although she still didn't get to the hospital", I wouldn't mind too much. Also nothing, although not as accurate and informative as the author's.
    They strained more purely technical bloopers, such as:
    Takaichi Kinashi's J-19 Attack Results Amazing

    Was in the article and something else like that, too lazy to look. This, it seems to me, is a more serious puncture than "fierce game", if one counts it as a puncture at all.
    In short, interesting, funny, not without flaws, but in general - a plus.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 25 December 2020 18: 21
      +3
      "The mattress piece of iron gripped the butt end, but didn't play the Titanic right away, it was first played with a khaze, although she still didn't get to the hospital"
      You absolutely must write! There is practically no joke genre on VO! It is a pity that your comment is not possible to put a mega plus.laughing hi
  9. Undecim
    Undecim 25 December 2020 14: 19
    +11
    It is understood that J-19 Commander 2nd Rank Captain Takaichi Kinashi
    Well, you can't do that. Type J submarines existed in the British Navy during the First World War. In World War II, the Japanese navy had submarines of type I. And the submarine I19 was commanded by Takakazu Kinashi, sometimes transliterated as Takaichi Kinatsu.
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 December 2020 14: 32
      +1
      Quote: Undecim
      The submarine I19 was commanded by Takakazu Kinashi, sometimes transliterated as Takaichi Kinatsu.

      and, as far as I remember, it was cap 3, not 2.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 25 December 2020 14: 47
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        Posthumously he received a rear admiral. But in what rank the aircraft carrier was sunk - it is necessary to clarify.

        This is the crew of I-19. In a year, none of them will be alive.
        1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 25 December 2020 17: 45
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          Quote: Undecim
          But in what rank the aircraft carrier was sunk - it is necessary to clarify.

          to be honest, I have never met the commanders of the submarine of the imperial fleet with a rank higher than k3r.
    2. Reklastik
      Reklastik 26 December 2020 12: 37
      +3
      Don't shoot the pianist. Plays as best he can. Roma's articles are distinguished by enviable consistency in terms of accuracy of wording, presentation of facts and original style. Therefore, I prefer to read Andrey from Chelyabinsk.
  10. Tochilka
    Tochilka 25 December 2020 18: 26
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    I took from the shelf the book "War at Sea" by Admirals Nimitz and Potter. Published in 1999. There is only one paragraph about this event on page 397. True, it is said that "an aircraft carrier, a new battleship and a destroyer were attacked simultaneously." About the presence of other ships and in general about the task they are performing, not a word.
  11. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 25 December 2020 23: 45
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    here it is another proof of the uselessness and vulnerability of large surface ships! the very idea of ​​a large surface ship became obsolete in 1903, as the hero Admiral Makarov wrote about ... this is what awaits the defenseless Kuzyu on the high seas, even if he is accompanied by a cruiser!
  12. Reklastik
    Reklastik 26 December 2020 12: 21
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    Roma can't even give a link normally)))
  13. Alien From
    Alien From 27 December 2020 21: 23
    +1
    And I liked the article, albeit with inaccuracies. Thanks to the author, it's interesting to read!
  14. zenion
    zenion 30 December 2020 21: 28
    +1
    The Americans learned to "fight" by the end of the war. How they learned is evident from the Korean and Vietnam War. An American named Pearl started the war with the rank of Major in the Marine Corps. They were supposed to approach the island captured by the Japanese and liberate it in the summer of 1942. We went on ships and decided that they would approach the island from both sides and land troops on rubber boats. So they did. He said they were surprised that no one met them and it was quiet. The Japanese must have made an ambush. The island rose in its middle, and they began to climb a not very steep rise. Almost got to the top and suddenly saw the enemy almost at the top and they began to fire at them. They slid down and started shooting at those who shot at them. It was already dark and they calmed down. Then they contacted their ship by radio and asked for help. From the ship they replied that only at dawn, so as not to come under their blow. It became a little light, and the Japanese began to fire at them with cannons. They reported that the Japanese are firing at us with cannons from that place. Then the firing stopped. Several boats left the ships. The sailors came out and started swearing at us. It turns out that those who ascended the island, on the other hand, mistook them for Japanese, just like these. In general, they fought with their own. The island was small and certainly not the same. The sailors also confused everything. Until that island, on which they were supposed to land, it was necessary to go half a day. But there should have been no landing. They told them to wander there and wait for the aircraft carriers to approach. Such tricks on the war were almost up to the Japanese surrender. He ended the war as a colonel, then received the rank of brigadier general and went into the reserve.
    1. kytx
      kytx 31 December 2020 06: 10
      +1
      well, "friendly fire" is a common thing in war
    2. roll
      roll 11 January 2021 05: 21
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      Naturally, the country did not fight, look at most of America's wars - these are losses in the range of 10-100 people, 50000+ - This is WWI, WWII, Vietnam and Korea, while WWII is 400 thousand. The rest is 50. For example, 1942- year, parking at the store, it is clearly better to be American, "a good homeland - does not extort much":
  15. Monar
    Monar 1 January 2021 20: 43
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    Here is one thing I did not understand. An explosion when hit by a torpedo is not a trivial event in an acoustic environment. And, may the teapot experts forgive, the Japanese had to "listen" to the sea-okiyan with the utmost care the field of attack. They just need to leave the "battlefield".
    On this
    However, neither J-15 nor J-19 reported hits on North Carolina and O'Brien. Which is understandable if the boats were in such a way that the Wasp covered the rest of the detachment's ships from them.
    is surprising.
    Correct if wrong.
  16. Jolly Roger
    Jolly Roger 17 March 2021 15: 45
    +6
    Thank you for a very interesting article on marine topics!