Ukrainian resource: The Russian Army is once again looking for a replacement for the armored car "Tiger" stuck on the curb

The Ukrainian media decided to distinguish themselves when submitting information that the RF Ministry of Defense signed a contract with the "MIC" for the development of armored vehicles, united into a single "light" Arrow family. Voennoye Obozreniye reported on the signing of such a contract the day before. The Military Industrial Company received an agreed terms of reference, according to which 2021 samples of light armored vehicles will be developed in 4.

Today, the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, in a peculiar way, covers information about the order of the Russian Ministry of Defense. The Ukrainian portal, positioning itself as a military media, came out with material dedicated to the Strela armored vehicles being developed in Russia.

They decided to publish the material under the following heading: “The Russian army is once again looking for a replacement for the armored car“ Tiger ”stuck on the curb. Apparently, the mention of the border in such a context should delight Ukrainian “patriots”.

The author claims that it is not the first time they are trying to replace the Tiger armored vehicle of the RF Armed Forces. It is stated that such attempts have allegedly been going on since 2012, when they tried to replace "Tiger" with "Wolf".

From the material of the Ukrainian resource:

In 2014, they tried to replace the Italian Iveco LMV-M65 with the localization of their production under the name "Lynx", but this possibility was blocked due to sanctions against the Russian Federation.

Here the Ukrainian author, with a statement about "sanctions", is clearly wishful thinking. The Ukrainian writer clearly ignored the statement of the Information Directorate of the Russian Ministry of Defense, which spoke about the reasons for the rejection of Italian armored vehicles:

Based on tests carried out from November 2013 to December 2014, the Lynx armored vehicle (IVECO) in the field of cross-country ability, armor protection and weapons was recognized as not fully meeting the requirements of the Russian military.

Earlier on "VO" there were materials that, during the tests, the Italian armored car could not cover the distance on a snowy road.

Comments

[Bad_gr]

"Arrow" is twice as light as "Tiger", so even the closest one should have understood that this is not a replacement, but an addition to what is missing.

[Thrall]

The Ukrainian edition "doesn't catch mice" at all. What a "curb", "curb"

[kit88]

Well, it depends on which direction to look from Bologoye ...

[Podvodnik]

Well, it depends on which direction to look from Bologoye ...

Offset! Cool noticed. From me is definitely a plus.

[Petr Vladimirovich]

Respect and respect to Alexander!

[Machito]

The tiger is much more passable than the American Humway, and it moves the curb at a speed of 60 km / h. Ukrainian envy knows no bounds.

[vfwfr]

All 23 commentators from St. Petersburg?)))

[Alanart]

There is a border in the picture. Improvised, of course

[credo]

Quote: Bad_gr

"Arrow" is twice as light as "Tiger", so even the closest one should have understood that this is not a replacement, but an addition to what is missing.

Psychology is a stubborn thing, including for the most narrow-minded, especially if there are no positives in the country and in personal life (this is what concerns the inhabitants of Ukraine).
Therefore, the mediocre articles of the yellow press of Ukraine, savoring the real and imaginary problems of Russia, will surely find a response in the hearts of some of the readers of Ukraine, for whom it is just like a balm for the soul in the absence of anything else.

[Vladimir Koshevoi]

Peremogo-zrada, in this sequence.

[orionvitt]

Quote: credo

Psychology, a stubborn thing

Especially if you remember that each of us has ever slipped in our lives. Both literally and figuratively. But when you're stuck in life, and it's always easier, of course, looking out of the mud, poke your fingers at someone. I don't know of a technique that is 100% all-passable. But "states" that are generally not passable are a dime a dozen. From which there is nothing but the stench of the neighbors.

[Doliva63]

"I don't know of a technique that is 100% all-passable."
BRDM-2 will work?

[GKA72]

the BRDM-2 has one significant drawback, the lack of mine protection. Another minus is poor lateral stability, it easily falls on its side. We had a case in the army, the driver did not follow the rut, as a result one side slipped into the rut and the BRDM lay on its side. For me, the APC is better, in the army I drove and shot from it, and all these tigers, arrows, are for collectors.

[Doliva63]

Quote: GKA72

the BRDM-2 has one significant drawback, the lack of mine protection. Another minus is poor lateral stability, it easily falls on its side. We had a case in the army, the driver did not follow the rut, as a result one side slipped into the rut and the BRDM lay on its side. For me, the APC is better, in the army I drove and shot from it, and all these tigers, arrows, are for collectors.

Secretly - tanks are also torn by mines. But seriously, the BRDM does not really need mine protection. Option: scrubbing a forest near the enemy, ran into a mine - smoke, roar, but everyone was intact and continued to complete the task - so what? You understand that
they will not go anywhere and will not complete the task - they have discovered themselves. Why the heck goat button accordion, you ask? So conduct proper engineering reconnaissance, extra mine protection is not required. And how many times on the BRDM they could go into the abyss, but they clung to the trees with a winch and crawled out. On an armored personnel carrier with its weight, it would not have happened. For the rest, I am for the APC, just like you. Long, voluminous, walkable. And yes, to put the BRDM on its side - you have to try, I have not seen this. In general, each machine is tailored to its tasks. You just need to be able to use them
And yes - about collectors

[ANB]

... For the rest, I am for the APC, just like you. Long, voluminous, walkable

MLTB is still very much nothing. Only eats a lot of diesel fuel.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ANB

... For the rest, I am for the APC, just like you. Long, voluminous, walkable

MLTB is still very much nothing. Only eats a lot of diesel fuel.

MTLB did not exploit, alas, but a classmate who served in the north praised, yes

[Blackmokona]

The enemy, with the help of MLRS or aviation, planted mines in our rear. Rides BRDM and broads bunch of corpses, but could have survived.

[Boris Chernikov]

rocket Yars ... she doesn't care

[serezhasoldatow]

This is a different type of machine.

[free_flier]

There is only one saying that fits: "It's okay that your own cow is dead, it's bad that your neighbor is alive."
This is the only thing left for the puppies to live.

[RUSS]

Quote: Bad_gr

"Arrow" is twice as light as "Tiger", so even the closest one should have understood that this is not a replacement, but an addition to what is missing.

An arrow is more of an armored car, and a Tiger is almost an armored personnel carrier, if you simply compare

[Boris Chernikov]

well, their armor seems to be similar

[Victorio]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Bad_gr

"Arrow" is twice as light as "Tiger", so even the closest one should have understood that this is not a replacement, but an addition to what is missing.

Arrow is more of an armored car, and The tiger is almost an armored personnel carrier, this is if you simply compare

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and the "tiger" was also replaced with an "athlete" https://rg.ru/2019/06/25/tigr-stal-atletom-chem-otlichaetsia-broneavtomobil-novogo-pokoleniia.html

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Bad_gr

therefore, even the most narrow-minded should have understood

Oh no, it's not about these! These are so far away that the distance must be measured in parsecs.

[vfwfr]

Well. Once upon a time there was a program (where, what, where I don’t remember) and there they showed how, at some competition, a high school student came up with a protective vest for a soldier, consisting of magnets, they say he will take bullets away ...
Know comments ...)

[Alanart]

It was a schoolboy. Ukrainian. And he came up with protection for tanks. And I told the designers about it using a paper / cardboard layout. Well, what about the designer, there are volunteers behind the boy, if you want to live - listen and nod;)

[Alanart]

From him;)
https://youtu.be/Mrnbjfg_WfM

[vfwfr]

Her, not that ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: vfwfr

a high school student came up with a protective vest for a soldier, consisting of magnets, they say he will take away bullets ...

I have no words. And also all the pieces of iron, including the machine gun, fly away from the soldier according to this logic.

[PACFA]

Well, of course, eureka, this vest will divert bullets from other soldiers =)

[Laksamana besar]

And to hell with them, why print their nonsense on VO?

[awdrgy]

Precisely And it's suspicious

[Orange bigg]

Ukrainian resource: The Russian Army is once again looking for a replacement for the armored car "Tiger" stuck on the curb

Another fairy tale about peremog. Why publish here the ravings of wild freaks?

[RUSS]

Quote: Laksamana Besar

And to hell with them, why print their nonsense on VO?

Not a day without Ukraine !!!

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Laksamana Besar

And to hell with them, why print their nonsense on VO?

Not a day without Ukraine !!!

Let's remember Boris Nikolaevich. - "" I woke up in the morning - think about what you did for Ukraine. "He didn't think of a damn thing (the root of a plant !!). Otherwise there would be no Svido ukraYna.

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Laksamana Besar

And to hell with them, why print their nonsense on VO?

Neighing.

[Andobor]

Quote: Laksamana Besar

why print their nonsense on VO

Yes, the publication of Ukrainian nonsense greatly lowers the VO level.

[vfwfr]

Neighbors. What can you do ...

[Igor Borisov_2]

In the heads of Ukrainian experts, everything is confused - "Tigers", "Wolves", "Lynxes" .....

[2 Level Advisor]

Something about the Defense Express of the Ukrainian national-patriotic site, they flooded the news as they once did with SOHU .. it is clear that they are all about "immortal"

[Yuriy71]

Why, even read the vyser of these Neldei !? Is that just - for the sake of laughter ... and pity, mixed with contempt !!!

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Alas - this is the site's policy! Kyu.

[Oleg Shulga]

The answer is obvious, so that people like you would later write about "Nelday!")))

[sustav75]

It's time to get used to the stream of dirt, lies, direct hatred of everything Russian and Russian from Ukraine, and not react! This is guaranteed for many decades! This spiteful, greedy and envious neighbor will seek out any excuse to spit towards Russia! Better yet, don't give them a reason to spit in our direction! Do not promise, and then do not do or move to the right forever, some kind of projects! The guy said! The guy did! Let them drown with envy in their own bile, they have such a mentality :)))

[Andobor]

Quote: sustav75

do not give them a reason to spit in our direction

They will always find a reason, there is a professional team working there.
But not to publish their vceps, VO may well, but does not want to - at the same time it works.

[Bshkaus]

The author's trip to VO was insulted by the title of the Ukrainian article. I don’t understand one thing, why does he crucify and justify himself before the Russians? I would say the same thing for example on "censor" or "apostrate". For me personally, a parallel tack, what they say about us outside the Russian Federation. )))

[faiver]

but where does the "Tiger" on the famous video? There you can clearly see the problem in the driver ...

[Oleg Shulga]

"which spoke about the reasons for the abandonment of Italian armored vehicles" - which does not prevent "Lynx" to be better, "Tiger"))) This is regardless of this article, the hassles and other things.

[tank64rus]

I saw this competition of cars in the snow myself. Iveco is hopeless for Russia. Two honest colonels from the GABTU for this video were fired under Serdyukov from the Russian Army. And TIGER has shown itself well in business, the company has many orders from abroad. So what's the chatter about.

[fone]

Everyone saw, however, the conclusions of the majority are in the style of "digging from here until lunchtime, and I will go and find out where it is necessary."

[Zaurbek]

Of all after the Soviet "novelties", the Tiger is the most needed and occupied an empty niche between the armored personnel carrier and the UAZ ... Maybe at least the military will be moved from the place of the UAZ ... I mean the quality and characteristics of bridges, locks, a distributor, a box and, finally, a DIESEL will appear! Although in other countries they do the opposite.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Zaurbek

Of all after the Soviet "novelties", the Tiger is the most needed and occupied an empty niche between the armored personnel carrier and the UAZ .......

BTR-40

BTR-152.
Maybe the "Soviet old men" should not be forgotten .... And to modify, use the platform, and not just "copy Hamer" ...

[Zaurbek]

Hummer jeep overgrown, tiger - truck with independent suspension armored personnel carriers

[aglet]

"Maybe not to forget the" Soviet old people "...."
and where to get platforms on them? hammer, it turns out, it's easier to copy than to restore ZIL

[Zaurbek]

They are not forgotten .... Typhoon U and Typhoon-K and Typhoonok are modern versions of serial trucks.

[vfwfr]

1. Grandfather BTR-152 son of KamAZ-43269 shot. Grandson (foundling) UAMZ Toros-4901
2. The customer pays for copying, so we copy .... Moreover, "copied" not for ourselves. And what happened today is a slightly different armored vehicle

[vfwfr]

There the whole transmission Korea + India (on a pickup truck). Electronics China, ZMZ engine, UAZ body (patrick)

[Zaurbek]

And it is not clear whose Diesel ....... If they are adopted, they will be localized.

[vfwfr]

Well, as usual ... zmz-402 (carburetor), originally from the bowels of Ford until the 40s))
Well, in the future ... They will localize someone else))) for 30 years))

[Zaurbek]

And that's not bad. Otherwise, they can take money and not localize .......

[vfwfr]

1. But where will they go ... It's still much cheaper than the same + development from zero
When will they squeeze ...
And then Th Surzhik then "sharply" decided to Russify ...

[Gregory Charnota]

but the pigs have worn-out discarded hummers

[Megatron]

And what about the Wolf? I like him better than Tiger.

[Gambit44]

Yes, "Athlete" is perhaps much better than this "Wolf".

[aglet]

"Yes," Athlete "is probably much better than this" Wolf ""
and how many were released, tigers, wolves? 10 pieces, 20? judging by how often they are changed, it doesn't smell like a large batch. the same number of athletes will do. Their field of application is very narrow - neither an armored personnel carrier, nor an armored reconnaissance vehicle, nor a transport vehicle. that's why they release them by the piece

[Gambit44]

Raguli brainless - "Tiger" is already preparing a replacement, they will be a new "Athlete".

[Zaurbek]

Replacement in the form of an Athlete, for other structures - MRAP Taifunenok, for Rosgvardia something kondovo based on Kamaz or the Urals.

[VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK]

Dill! Look at your flip-flops first!

[Vadim Golubkov]

Let them type (this is supposedly a military publication from Ukraine and the Maidanites) "Tiger vs Iveco" and watch the video what obstacles and curbs the Tiger overcomes. But this will not happen, they are pleased to live in their own little world. It is clear that these various publications need to feed the Maidanists, as everything is bad in Russia. The Tiger has better cross-country ability than Iveco.

[Zaurbek]

And Iveco has a lot of advantages. And Tigers come in different armor.

[Vadim Golubkov]

Each technique has its pros and cons, I'm talking about the Tiger's patency, that supposedly the Tiger cannot overcome the curb as they write and constantly talk about it. Although the Tiger calmly overcomes various obstacles that are much higher than the curbs and ride through the snowy field, be healthy.

[humbov]

The laughter went completely off the hook in bouts of Russophobia. Maidan brain disease is not cured. Now "Sputic V" will be reviled. Meli're coming out-Emelya, your week.

[LORD-72]

In short ...

[zenion]

Here are idiots, you need to pull with oxen. The oxen pulled the whole Ukraine into life when they went to the Crimea for salt.

[ul_vitalii]

In 2014, he roared well in Crimea, only now ukroarmeytsy began to retreat and raise their tail from the ground.

[basal]

But once on the basis of Zaporozhets off-road LuAZ was made. No one thought to consider it a competitor to UAZ, but they responded well. Where is all this? All they had to do was spoil the air with envy.

[Doliva63]

Quote: BlackMokona

The enemy, with the help of MLRS or aviation, planted mines in our rear. Rides BRDM and broads bunch of corpses, but could have survived.

Art / air raid on the march is an even more prosaic option, and there will be even more corpses, but no one thought of sculpting anti-cannon armor on the roof - the issue is being solved in a different way. So it is with mining. And to weigh the car with iron is not a way, it is a dead end, because it will not be able to fulfill the task. I'm talking about army equipment designed for combined arms combat. For the explosives, this may be an option, for the army, not.

[alauda1038]

there are cars of different classes and purposes The Tiger is good in one but not practical in the other it is complemented taking into account the Syrian experience

[John22]

The family of 2-axis BA is generally vicious. For roads and flat surfaces only. This is not for war and rugged terrain. Copying BA USA is nonsense. There are also developments of 3-axle all-terrain vehicles. And the cross-country ability is better and the BA can be armored more seriously and the weapons can be installed. It is impossible to save on the protection and off-road capability of the BA. These are the saved lives of Russian soldiers!

[Vk engineer]

We have armored vehicles of the "Tiger" type (since 2006) with weak mine protection (antipersonnel mine no more than 600 grams in TNT equivalent - Syria showed) and armor of the 3rd and 5th class according to GOST R 50963 - very heavy (almost 2 times heavier than the American armored Humvee).
It is known that the 7-ton Tiger BA from the VPK company does not exceed 35% of the total mass of the vehicle (even in the 5th class of protection), but at the same time it has a powerful and super heavy load-bearing frame to which they are attached massive units of standard suspension from armored personnel carriers.
Athlete 4x4 has similar units of the APC suspension!
The MIC company still uses Soviet design solutions of the 70s of the 20th century, and armored vehicles are exported to the CIS, Africa and South America, because it is cheap or free!
The same problem is with the Typhoon 4x4 - with the prohibitive weight of the KAMAZ suspension.
The prototype of the Strela armored car (curb weight 8 tons), which was supposed to be a lightweight armored car for transportation on the external sling of Mi-2020 helicopters (but max. Weight), was also extremely difficult for the Mi-4,1. on external sling Mi-8: no more than 8 tons).
And in vain do you troll the Ukrainians, they are still for the war - they make equipment (as they can), and not for a parade!
Ukraine, since 2014, has promptly established mass production of light armored vehicles of its own and joint development with NATO countries (9 models of armored vehicles are mass-produced), and now Ukraine is actively "catching up" with Russia in terms of the number of armored vehicles produced, some of which are exported.

[Vlad Vlad (Shimas)]

Damn, a million options have shown us at all sorts of armies and exhibitions. are all unusable or do you need to allocate money for development again?