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NATO announced an "incident" involving a Russian Il-20 over the Baltic

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The NATO press service is distributing a statement that an "incident" has occurred in the skies over the Baltic with the participation of a Russian military aircraft. The statement says that a Russian military aircraft appeared in one of the echelons in the skies over the Baltic Sea with the transponder turned off. It is argued that in this regard “there was a danger to civil aviationbecause the dispatchers of European countries could not see the military aircraft on the radar screens. "


It was further stated that the German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon fighter was taken up into the sky. A German fighter jet made a rendezvous with a Russian aircraft north of Estonia's air borders. At the same time, it is not reported from which aerodrome the fighter of the German air force took off into the air. It is likely that from one of the bases on the territory of the Baltic countries, where the NATO air contingent is carrying out the mission of the so-called "air police".

The report says that the board was identified as a Russian Il-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft. According to NATO classification, such aircraft are called "Lysukhs".

For some time, "Eurofighter" accompanied the Russian aircraft reconnaissance aircraft.

NATO called the flight of the Il-20 with the disabled identifiers "unacceptable."

Judging by the photo, the German fighter (besides the Russian Il-20) was not alone in the sky.

It is difficult to call the incident an "incident" and, in addition, it is strange that the European headquarters do not say anything about the "danger to civil aviation", when, for example, American reconnaissance aircraft appear at the Russian borders, they are in no hurry to turn on those transponders.
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  1. ccsr
    ccsr 15 December 2020 13: 48
    +14
    The report says that the aircraft was identified as a Russian Il-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft.

    Probably the Il-20M, but it still pleases, because sometimes NATO members have to probe the udder and do it suddenly, so that they would like to fly less near our borders. True, it is not entirely clear where he flew from, and why he ended up over the Baltic - I think the Ministry of Defense will comment on this situation.
    1. AVA77
      AVA77 15 December 2020 14: 03
      +9
      Not the fact that they have udders. laughing Better to feel them by the tail, they definitely have it.
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 15 December 2020 14: 17
        +6
        Quote: AVA77
        Not the fact that they have udders. laughing Better to feel them by the tail, they definitely have it.

        You can argue about the tail, but there are certainly horns!
        1. AVA77
          AVA77 15 December 2020 14: 19
          +4
          drinks I meant the same thing.
        2. uralant
          uralant 15 December 2020 20: 55
          +2
          What are you pulling out of context photo? They beat this one just by wrapping a tail around his hand! laughing
      2. DymOk_v_dYmke
        DymOk_v_dYmke 15 December 2020 18: 04
        +1
        Quote: AVA77
        Not the fact that they have udders

        Moreover, it is worth checking from time to time if the udder has grown ... or something. lol hi
    2. janin
      janin 15 December 2020 14: 18
      +23
      "The statement says that a Russian military aircraft appeared in one of the echelons in the skies over the Baltic Sea with the transponder turned off. It is said that in this regard," there was a danger to civil aviation, "

      I hesitate to ask .. and the B-52 that flew over the Baltic, and the Black Sea .. were with transponders turned on ?? and did not create a danger to civil aviation?
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 15 December 2020 14: 22
        +15
        These are "peaceful American strategic bombers sowing democracy over Europe" sad
        In the words of liberda: "this is another" lol
      2. YOUR
        YOUR 15 December 2020 14: 31
        +6
        Then another question got out
        a Russian military aircraft appeared in one of the echelons in the skies over the Baltic Sea with the transponder turned off. It is argued that in this regard, “a danger arose for civil aviation, since the dispatchers of European countries could not see the military aircraft on the radar screens

        It was further stated that the German Air Force Eurofighter Typhoon fighter was taken up into the sky.

        They couldn't see him on the radar screens. Visually chtol found and flew to see what there is a bird al plane.
        1. kit88
          kit88 15 December 2020 14: 39
          +15
          Everything is clear here. According to the text, civilian dispatchers could not see / were sitting on the flight radar / lol And the military saw everything.
          However, this does not change the essence of the matter. And they can roll up their claims neatly into a tube and shove themselves
          1. YOUR
            YOUR 15 December 2020 14: 41
            -1
            Anything can be explained. Civilian radars are the same as military ones, served only by civilians.
            1. kit88
              kit88 15 December 2020 14: 47
              +21
              Well, it means that the Estonian civilian locator simply does not have time for the super-high-speed IL-20
              laughing
              1. mole
                mole 15 December 2020 15: 07
                +3
                Quote: kit88
                Well, it means that the Estonian civilian locator simply does not have time for the super-high-speed IL-20
                laughing

                After reading the title of the article, I also thought about super speed. I expected something like "concern about the unprofessional actions of the Il-20 pilots, which almost led to the fall of NATO fighters."
                It turned out to be different. wink
              2. YOUR
                YOUR 15 December 2020 15: 17
                +5
                This is another matter. Ochchennnny tyazhgelllo smotrettt for samllelett without traaaansponderaa. Oh, etty Russians.
            2. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 16 December 2020 01: 58
              +2
              Quote: YOUR
              Civilian radars are the same as military ones, served only by civilians.

              Are you respected or joking or never encountered request Well, how can you not understand: after all, they
              Quote: YOUR
              Ochchennnny tyazhzelllo smotrettt for samllelett without traaaansponderaa.
          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 16 December 2020 01: 54
            +5
            Quote: kit88
            they can roll their claims neatly into a tube and shove themselves
            in twitter lol
          3. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 16 December 2020 08: 38
            0
            request but do military and civilian aircraft not fly at different echelons at all? so claims about a threat to civilian aircraft ... sounds strange
            1. kit88
              kit88 16 December 2020 11: 51
              +12
              The point is that the control radar will of course detect the aircraft within its range. And even give the dispatcher coordinates. But these coordinates will be in the form of azimuth-range. He cannot measure the height. An active response from the aircraft is required - it is the response of the ADS-B transponder in modern aircraft, or the old Soviet SO-69 is doing this (but this is only within the Russian Federation). The transponder will give the dispatcher the flight altitude of the aircraft.
              And without this, the dispatcher sees on the screen an unidentified mark on which level it is moving - it is not clear, does not respond to requests. If the dispatcher is not warned in advance by the adjoining side about the flight, it is perfectly logical in such a situation to raise the fighters from the duty forces to identify the target.
              Well, and there - Oh! Everything is fine! These are not UFOs or terrorists. This Russian spy flew to spy. We disperse.
              1. Boris Chernikov
                Boris Chernikov 16 December 2020 11: 54
                +1
                heh .. at the same time, the Americans themselves have already been caught more than once for flights without transponders)
          4. Vladimir podryatov
            Vladimir podryatov 16 December 2020 19: 04
            0
            Yes, everyone can see it, it's just that when the transponder is cut down, it is clear that someone is flying, and who is unknown. This is what infuriates them. And it can be seen on all locators, even civilians, even military ones. It is necessary to smell, the more you need to fly up, by the number to determine who is from where and how to determine the name of the helmsman visually. If the relationship is old, show your fingers the frequency on VHF, click, contact and chat
        2. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 15 December 2020 18: 13
          +7
          Quote: YOUR
          They couldn't see him on the radar screens. Visually chtol found and flew to see what there is a bird al plane.

          Here's an asymmetrical answer: a disabled transponder instead of stealth technology. laughing
          To the author: in
          with turned off transponder. It is argued that in this regard, “a danger arose for civil aviation, since the dispatchers of European countries could not see the military board on the radar screens

          understand the terms "see" and "identify". hi
      3. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 15 December 2020 23: 55
        0
        HOW DOES a transponder affect radar performance? They lie like they breathe. The plane is always visible on the radar
    3. frruc
      frruc 15 December 2020 14: 29
      +4
      Nothing interesting or special. This is the daily activity of the Air Force. There is also nothing to comment on.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 15 December 2020 18: 45
        +1
        Quote: frruc
        Nothing interesting or special. This is the daily activity of the Air Force. There is also nothing to comment on.

        In fact, the Il-20M is not an Air Force plane, but an airplane of the ground forces, because it is in service with OSNAZ brigades. That is why it is surprising what he did over the Baltic Sea - this is not his element. So I would like to hear a comment on what kind of flight it was - training or simply it was ferried, for example, to the Kaliningrad region.
    4. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 15 December 2020 14: 33
      +2
      Duty officer, but where? - NATO will report: can't it? penny price for air defense mattress covers.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 16 December 2020 02: 24
        +3
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        NATO will report: can't it? penny price for air defense mattress covers.

        The Balts do not have air defense as such, the Lithuanians seem to have recently bought, but the airspace monitoring system is developing: Estonians can see the entire Gulf of Finland for themselves, Latvians take over the baton and see the entire Central Baltic - making it easy for them to track flights from the mainland to Kaliningrad. Information goes to the air defense of western europe
        And today's event is pampering on their part - so as not to be bored, the plan was probably submitted
    5. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 17: 01
      0
      because sometimes NATO members have to probe the udder and do it suddenly, so that they would like to fly less near our borders.
      maybe it's already worth learning - "pulling the nipples ..." !? And then this "probing" does not help much in recent years, it turns out somehow weakly and not very intelligibly ... :)
  2. Nastia makarova
    Nastia makarova 15 December 2020 13: 49
    +6
    again "crosses" on the fuselage next to our aircraft
    1. dauria
      dauria 15 December 2020 14: 37
      +2
      again "crosses" on the fuselage next to our aircraft


      Poor airplane. Eurofiter was out of luck. To grind out so much, from the idea of ​​1985 to the first series in 1999. And get junk, inferior to the main enemy of the Su-27, against which it was created. Dear mediocrity, and also rapidly outdated. Hmm, European partners were blown away.
      It was not in vain that Pavel Osipovich risked everything and reshaped a completely ready-made prototype of "Sushka". He knew how to make harsh decisions, and not fawn on the "leaders".
  3. Olgovich
    Olgovich 15 December 2020 13: 50
    +6
    Where is Germany and where is the Baltic?

    Russia is a home, and the Germans need to be hundreds of kilometers to the west, also near the house.

    And yes, no "air police" is provided for by any international acts.
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 15 December 2020 14: 18
      +5
      Quote: Olgovich
      no "air police" is provided for by any international acts.

      A beautiful name, the definition of Air Policing is a NATO invention in Europe: what if someone loses the connection or gets out into the track space without a flight plan? Here they are good as here. And the Baltic states are patrolled by NATO forces, they themselves cannot, and they probably want to. We started with a flight in Zoknyai, then we added Emery near Tallinn, the units are rotated
      1. VORON538
        VORON538 15 December 2020 14: 24
        +5
        Well, the Baltic states are all like independent
        Here are just an army in their territories - anyone's hi
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 15 December 2020 14: 32
          +7
          Quote: VORON538
          only the army in their territories - anyone's

          Tradition however, the last three hundred years or more
  4. Lesorub
    Lesorub 15 December 2020 13: 51
    +6
    NATO called the flight of the Il-20 with the disabled identifiers "unacceptable."

    The policy of double standards - you can do it yourself - others do not - "just offended" (then they blow their lips why Sushki intercepts them "roughly").
  5. 7,62h54
    7,62h54 15 December 2020 13: 52
    +7
    The toilet on board the IL had to be emptied.
    1. mark1
      mark1 15 December 2020 14: 04
      0
      Moreover, for a while, this should become the main task on a par with intelligence, you see, we will intercept it.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 17: 03
      0
      empty the toilet on board the IL
      with exposing the nudity of the fifth point, through the porthole !? :)
  6. HAM
    HAM 15 December 2020 14: 00
    +10
    ".. since the dispatchers of European countries could not see the military aircraft on the radar screens" .....

    I understand correctly --- IL-20 is made using "stealth" technology, and it is not visible on radar screens! ?? laughing ..... and they were buzzing our ears about some 5th generation ...
    1. Maikcg
      Maikcg 15 December 2020 14: 52
      +6
      Technically, civil services receive a signal from a transponder, who is flying where, heading, level, speed, and everything else for them is like a UFO and a civil air control operator is not accustomed to calculating the course and speed based on the illumination on the screen and generally identifying the aircraft. Instead, he should be driving. And aircraft in the air for collision avoidance systems (TCAS) need the same installed box + data from the transponder on other aircraft, which the military does not have by default. By the way, there are no transponders on the military by default either. Look, fighters flew to Syria after the civilian "leader" Tu-154 or Il-76 not in order not to get lost, but to politely not interfere with anyone and be visible and identified by the earth.
      1. HAM
        HAM 15 December 2020 15: 03
        0
        Then this, it turns out, is a jamb of illiterate journalists who write about radars that are visible only in movies.
      2. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 16 December 2020 02: 03
        +2
        Quote: MaikCG
        By the way, there are no transponders on the military by default either.

        This is not entirely true: transponders are installed if desired, and TCASs are also installed. And the bourgeoisie even have fighters - I personally made sure, twice, I'll tell you unpleasant impressions
        1. Maikcg
          Maikcg 17 December 2020 12: 57
          +1
          Apparently there is no desire :) since Shoigu back in 2016 ordered "to develop a system of confidence-building measures for safe flights of aviation over the Baltic Sea" take part in a detailed discussion of this issue at the expert level "
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 17 December 2020 13: 10
            +1
            Quote: MaikCG
            Apparently there is no desire

            Why excuse me? These are expenses, troubles: there is a completely working procedure that justifies itself, the fact that it leads to "dancing with tambourines" around the flights of the Aerospace Forces is a game of the bourgeoisie and it will continue regardless of the actions of the Russian Federation
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 17: 04
      0
      IL-20 is made according to "stealth" technology
      , of course inconspicuous, like that "gopher, which does not exist ... but he is ..."
  7. Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 15 December 2020 14: 02
    +2
    Quote: ccsr
    The report says that the aircraft was identified as a Russian Il-20 electronic reconnaissance aircraft.

    Probably the Il-20M, but it still pleases, because sometimes NATO members have to probe the udder and do it suddenly, so that they would like to fly less near our borders. True, it is not entirely clear where he flew from, and why he ended up over the Baltic - I think the Ministry of Defense will comment on this situation.


    Most likely, he was transferred to Khrabrovo, from where he took off. There are two routes over the Baltic: north along the borders of Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and west towards about. Bornholm, Sound. I had a chance to fly them ...
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 15 December 2020 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: Igor Borisov_2
      Most likely, he was transferred to Khrabrovo, from where he took off.

      I thought so too, only not in Khrabrovo, but at the military airfield Chkalovsk. It is not entirely clear - did they decide to deploy the squadron in a new location? It's an interesting twist ...
  8. askort154
    askort154 15 December 2020 14: 06
    +2
    The statement says that a Russian military aircraft appeared in one of the echelons in the skies over the Baltic Sea with the transponder turned off.

    Clean water, jolly. As if their B-52s were flying over Ukraine, 11 kilometers from the Russian border, with the "transponders" turned on.
    All these "NATO statements" are intended to stir up feelings of hostility towards Russia in the western man in the street. "Russia is the aggressor" - not today, tomorrow, wants to attack Europe, and you do not want to pay 2% to the NATO budget.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 15 December 2020 14: 11
    +3
    The dog barks, barks, barks ... this yapping is on forever.
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 15 December 2020 14: 44
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      The dog barks, barks, barks

      so you can remember 2016 - when this question was raised before NATO, and the initiative came from the President of Finland "Russia supports Finland's proposal to ban flights over the Baltic by airplanes with turned off transponders"
      “It turned out that there is no problem with these transponders. The problem was purely contrived. It was an attempt to accuse us of something, the fact that the Russian military are flying over the Baltic and frightening civil aviation, ”said Kelin. “Firstly, this problem has been solved within the framework of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) - a very specific route between Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg has been mapped out and the points along which military aviation should fly with transponders turned on have been determined,” he said. “The fact is that our airplanes that fly along this route are equipped with transponders, but they did not turn on due to the fact that one of the countries did not comply with the ICAO order. I will not name which one, but this is one of the NATO member states, ”the diplomat said at https://topwar.ru/106416-mid-rf-problema-s-transponderami-pri-poletah-nad-baltikoy-voznikla -iz-za-odnoy-iz-stran-nato.html

      NATO has rejected a Russian proposal on air security in the Baltic region, which involves the flight of military aircraft with transponders turned on, writes The Wall Street Journal, citing sources in the alliance. According to them, "the proposal will do little to improve air security or to avoid Russian flights dangerously close to the ships and aircraft of the Western allies."
      https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/09/2016/57e235ed9a79474f872353d5
      It's the end of 2020 .....
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 December 2020 14: 52
        +3
        So it is clear that there is no one with whom and there is nothing to negotiate about ... because the dog will always yapping.
    2. cniza
      cniza 15 December 2020 15: 36
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      The dog barks, barks, barks ... this yapping is on forever.


      Unfortunately, they will blame us all the time, but nothing ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 December 2020 18: 47
        +1
        What is the fact that they will talk the same thing all the time .... everyone will stop paying attention to it.
        This is exactly what happens.
        1. cniza
          cniza 15 December 2020 21: 13
          +4
          So they cannot exist in another way, and we are like a lifesaver for them ...
  10. faiver
    faiver 15 December 2020 14: 14
    +3
    "There was a danger to civil aviation, since the dispatchers of European countries could not see the military aircraft on the radar screens."
    - what kind of genius did he write? All my life I thought that the radar detects the reflection of the signal it sent, but then it turns out that the radars of the dispatchers of European countries see only transponders? So don’t change the radars ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 December 2020 14: 17
      +4
      In civil aviation, secondary radar is widely used - it is much more reliable there, especially in areas with heavy traffic, such as in Europe, for example ..
      1. faiver
        faiver 15 December 2020 14: 23
        -5
        IL-20 has something to do with civil aviation? bully
        1. Avior
          Avior 15 December 2020 14: 26
          +5
          if flying in the area of ​​passenger routes with heavy traffic
          but you seem to have written about something else?
          .
          - what kind of genius did he write? all my life I thought that the radar detects the reflection of the signal it sent

          There are different radars. Including secondary ones.
          1. faiver
            faiver 15 December 2020 14: 30
            -1
            but you seem to have written about something else?
            - quite right, the question is in an illiterate formulation
            1. Avior
              Avior 15 December 2020 14: 38
              +3
              this is true for the screens of the primary secondary radar for civil dispatchers.
              hi
  11. Egoza
    Egoza 15 December 2020 14: 15
    +1
    The NATO press service is spreading a statement that an "incident" has occurred in the skies over the Baltic with the participation of a Russian military aircraft.

    SHO? AGAIN?!
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 December 2020 14: 18
    +2
    It was proposed on a reciprocal basis to fly with transponders turned on, they did not want to, So sweat and be silent!
  13. K-50
    K-50 15 December 2020 14: 24
    +2
    a Russian military aircraft appeared in one of the echelons in the skies over the Baltic Sea with the transponder turned off.

    You might think that countries are flying with the included transponders. lol lol
    Especially when all sorts of scouts and drones are approaching the borders of Russia.
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  15. Stas Sv
    Stas Sv 15 December 2020 14: 59
    +1
    NATO calls IL-20 flight with off identifiers "invalid"
    , but how to understand this? Right now!
  16. Stas Sv
    Stas Sv 15 December 2020 15: 13
    +1
    Quote: Stas Sv
    NATO calls IL-20 flight with off identifiers "invalid"
    , but how to understand this? Right now!

  17. cniza
    cniza 15 December 2020 15: 35
    +2
    European headquarters do not say anything about the "danger to civil aviation" when, for example, American reconnaissance aircraft appear at the Russian borders, slowly turning on those transponders.


    No, well, it's them ...
  18. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 15 December 2020 15: 35
    +1
    Judging by the photo, the German fighter (besides the Russian Il-20) was not alone in the sky.


    - Do you see any German fighters in the photo?
    -- No...
    - And they are!
    lol
    1. not main
      not main 15 December 2020 21: 58
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      Judging by the photo, the German fighter (besides the Russian Il-20) was not alone in the sky.


      - Do you see any German fighters in the photo?
      -- No...
      - And they are!
      lol

      Who filmed? UFO?
  19. iouris
    iouris 15 December 2020 16: 12
    0
    The coot, or coot (lat. Fulica atra) is a small waterfowl of the shepherd family. Local names for coots are kashkaldak or kachkaldak.
    IL-20 - Kashkaldak.
  20. Fitter65
    Fitter65 15 December 2020 16: 20
    0
    ... dispatchers of European countries could not see the military board on the radar screens "...
    And then what kind of radars are these European countries that do not see such an aircraft in the sky?, Americans with the British and other riffraff, near our borders, and not only without these very transponders and what ours track them ...
    1. Avior
      Avior 15 December 2020 18: 01
      +3
      The secondary radar provides a complex of information about the aircraft, in contrast to the primary, which gives only a mark.
      For civilians, he is the main one.
      1. Fitter65
        Fitter65 16 December 2020 23: 54
        0
        Quote: Avior
        The secondary radar provides a complex of information about the aircraft, in contrast to the primary, which gives only a mark.

        Thank God, I know how and what is the situation with the organization of air traffic, I have served in the Air Force for more than 30 years in communications and RTO units.
    2. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 17: 09
      0
      And what kind of radars are these European countries that do not see such an aircraft in the sky?

      everything is simple: the coding system for interrogation and response signals used in Russia (ATC) differs from the system used in accordance with the ICAO standards and recommendations (RBS). So we didn’t see the response telemetry from the aircraft, we’re okay disperse ... gentlemen hi
      1. Avior
        Avior 17 December 2020 02: 07
        +2
        A huge number of international flights fly over Russia.
        as they understand.
  21. Suslin
    Suslin 16 December 2020 08: 49
    0
    NATO confirms the saying "We see a straw in someone else's eye, we don't even notice a log in our own." There is no need to blame the mirror if the face is crooked! Well trained their pilots, let them say thank you.
  22. Rokot
    Rokot 16 December 2020 19: 31
    0
    Why, with every news about planes, mention what they call them in NATO? Are these articles really for NATO members?
  23. Fonmeg
    Fonmeg 21 December 2020 17: 19
    0
    When they grab them between their legs, it’s not normal ... We need to do this more often with these "partners" !!!