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The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of six corvettes for the Pacific Fleet

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The Ministry of Defense signed a contract for the construction of six corvettes for the Pacific Fleet

The Pacific Fleet will be armed with six newest corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385. The contract for the construction of ships was signed by the Ministry of Defense and the Amur Shipyard. This was reported by the press service of the military department.


The Amur Shipyard received a contract for the construction of a series of project 20380 and 20385 corvettes. According to the agreement, the Pacific Fleet will receive two Project 2024 corvettes and four Project 2028 corvettes from 20380 to 20385.

As part of the implementation of the state defense order GOZ-2021, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation signed a contract for the supply of a serial batch of corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385 with PJSC Amur Shipbuilding Plant. In accordance with the terms of the contract, the Pacific Fleet will receive two corvettes of Project 2024 and four corvettes of Project 2028 in the period from 20380 to 20385.

- it is spoken in the message of the Ministry of Defense.

The military department emphasized that the presence of fleet corvettes of projects 20380 and 20385 will allow "to increase the efficiency of detection and destruction of submarines, surface ships, enemy ships, protection of naval bases, sea coast, sea communications."

Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced in August this year that the Defense Ministry plans to conclude a new contract for the construction of six corvettes in the interests of the Russian fleet at the Amur Shipyard (ASZ).

Corvettes of project 20380 are classified as multipurpose surface combat ships of the 2nd rank of the near sea zone. Features of the ships of this project are compactness, stealth, high percentage of systems automation. Designed for the search and destruction of submarines, surface ships and enemy ships, the defense of naval bases.

Project 20385 is a modernized project of the corvette project 20380. The main task is to detect and destroy enemy surface ships or submarines, organize a landing, protect the coastal zone, and escort other ships. Thanks to the original architecture and the use of composite materials in combination with special coatings, as well as missile weapons and antenna posts built into the hull, the radar, acoustic and optical signature of corvettes is significantly reduced.
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  1. Kuz
    Kuz 15 December 2020 13: 34
    +44
    Long awaited news good
    1. Machito
      Machito 15 December 2020 13: 44
      -40%
      At last. Have some of the oligarchs taken the money for the yacht? At least the OVR will be equipped with pennants. Hurray !!!
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 15 December 2020 13: 55
        +37
        Quote: Kuz
        Long awaited news

        And what is important is that it will be the local AMUR plant that will be built.

        So the plant develop , like its subcontractors, like industry of the region good
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 14: 30
          -33%
          Quote: Olgovich
          Quote: Kuz
          Long awaited news

          And what is important is that it will be the local AMUR plant that will be built.

          So the plant develop , like its subcontractors, like industry of the region good

          Is there anyone to work at that plant - welders and fitters - available? Here in Europe "Kuzyu" cannot be up to working condition, so there are no more specialists in the east of Dalniy ...
          1. Borik
            Borik 15 December 2020 14: 42
            +14
            There are welders for such a good cause.
            But that 20385 will be built at the Amur plant is news so news. True, the fleet will have to wait for this replenishment for a long time, perhaps five years. And I would like to be early.
            1. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 15 December 2020 16: 31
              +7
              Quote: Borik
              There are welders for such a good cause.

              Well if so. At one time, they came to the Komsomolsk refinery, considered the possibility of taking work. So there we were constantly told that all personnel should be pulled from the mainland. "Only drunks and pensioners stayed here." hi
              1. Grits
                Grits 16 December 2020 09: 47
                0
                Quote: LIONnvrsk
                "Only drunks and pensioners stayed here"

                Now almost everywhere it is
            2. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 16 December 2020 11: 13
              -4
              Quote: Borik
              There are welders for such a good cause.
              But that 20385 will be built at the Amur plant is news so news. True, the fleet will have to wait for this replenishment for a long time, perhaps five years. And I would like to be early.

              Are you a Muscovite or something, and a WELDER ?! Watch on AmurStroy if anything ...... There is plenty of such good here. wink
            3. anclevalico
              anclevalico 17 December 2020 07: 46
              0
              Given the current financial situation, 5 years is an optimistic forecast.
          2. Ugochaves
            Ugochaves 16 December 2020 08: 11
            +1
            Yes, even there, bears will work for us
          3. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 00
            +1
            At the ASZ there is.
      2. Stepan S
        Stepan S 15 December 2020 17: 05
        -9
        The oligarchs instructed you cons, apparently, hit the mark)
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 15 December 2020 15: 22
      +17
      Quote: Kuz
      Long awaited news

      The author forgot to add These are modern ships equipped with the latest MFRLK radar system, the promising Redut anti-aircraft missile system, the Uran modern anti-ship missile system, the Paket-NK anti-submarine complex and universal launchers capable of carrying the Zircon promising missiles. In 2020, it is planned to transfer to the Pacific Fleet the corvette of project 20385 "Thundering", which differs from the base project by the ability to use cruise missiles "Caliber" It has already passed sea trials and is arriving in St. Petersburg.
      1. Orkraider
        Orkraider 15 December 2020 15: 38
        +7
        anti-ship complex "Uran", anti-submarine complex "Packet-NK" and universal launchers capable of carrying promising missiles "Zircon"


        Greetings!
        hi
        Either Uranus at 20380 or UKSK at 20385.
        If Uranus, but there are no Zircons with Calibers, since they are used with PU 3S14 (UKSK)
      2. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 02
        +4
        This radar is still a larger mass-dimensional model than the radar. The result of a criminal conspiracy, and, possibly, as a result of this RLC, there will be criminal cases.
        1. Volder
          Volder 16 December 2020 16: 46
          -1
          Quote: timokhin-aa
          The result of a criminal conspiracy, and, possibly, as a result of this RLC, there will be criminal cases.
          Ships with this radar have already begun to be put into operation, and there have been no criminal cases. In my opinion, 2 options are possible here: either the radar is quite working, but the media does not announce it, or the top of the Navy / USC covers the manufacturer and does not report to Shoigu / Putin the real state of affairs.
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 17: 45
            +4
            I don’t know about Shoigu, but Putin periodically encounters unpleasant surprises and the need to get into issues of the level "not higher than a deputy minister" at best.
            So, for example, it was with the "Calibers", which got to the fleet from the kick given by the president.
            And before that, the experimental carriers of the KRO "Caliber" - 671RTMK and 877 boats, converted for this complex (for a missile with an underwater launch of course), the Navy cut.
            The "Calibers" got into the Navy in a very crooked way, to which, in addition to the fleet command, the General Staff had a hand.

            It was also with the scammer around the "Daring-Mercury", when they tried to pass off the docking of the hull and renaming as the bookmark of a new ship.

            At some level, we have a loss of control. I don't know what the matter is yet, but there is such a fact.
            1. Volder
              Volder 17 December 2020 12: 38
              -1
              Isn't it time to send an official written request to the main directorate of the Navy / USC, on what basis the corvettes are put into operation without conducting comprehensive tests (or with too gentle tests) of the radar for air defense? Let them unsubscribe and know that the public is watching this situation.
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 17 December 2020 22: 36
                +2
                Wait a few days now. Will be.
    3. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 20
      +2
      Yes, the news is good, especially considering that they really tried to disrupt this presidential order.
      But those who did it screwed themselves up in the end.
  2. Alex777
    Alex777 15 December 2020 13: 36
    +22
    Great news twice.
    And for a total of 6 pieces. (expected), and 20385 - 4 pcs. (surprise). good
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 14: 32
      -31%
      Quote: Alex777
      Great news twice.
      And for a total of 6 pieces. (expected), and 20385 - 4 pcs. (surprise). good

      We have a lot of news, but everyone shouldn't be happy ...
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 December 2020 10: 25
        +4
        Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
        We have a lot of news, but everyone shouldn't be happy ...

        If you had understood this in 14th, you would not have stood in line for Polish toilets today.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 16 December 2020 11: 16
          -5
          Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
          Quote: GTYCBJYTH2021
          We have a lot of news, but everyone shouldn't be happy ...

          If you had understood this in 14th, you would not have stood in line for Polish toilets today.

          Razor-in toilets you look ... I have a street toilet ... laughing
  3. mark1
    mark1 15 December 2020 13: 39
    +25
    Wow! Etc. 20385 went into a good series! This is great news indeed.
    1. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 14: 35
      -41%
      Quote: mark1
      Wow! Etc. 20385 went into a good series! This is great news indeed.

      The project went on paper, but not for work ..... fellow What is there to GO ... laughing
      1. mark1
        mark1 15 December 2020 14: 48
        +28
        Your gnashing of teeth will not spoil my mood, my cleverly coded opponent.
        1. GTYCBJYTH2021
          GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 14: 57
          -36%
          Quote: mark1
          Your gnashing of teeth will not spoil my mood, my cleverly coded opponent.

          Ha-ha .... rejoice further ..... and your mood will spoil the message-here, in VO, -a year or two, or even earlier, that the contract for the construction of ships was thwarted due to the fault of the plant, and not the absence money.... hi
          1. mark1
            mark1 15 December 2020 15: 00
            +18
            Go, Andrey, eat borscht ...
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 15 December 2020 15: 15
              +17
              After 2 years, we will ask: Well, Andriy, did your Poles help you? wink
              1. GTYCBJYTH2021
                GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 18: 08
                -15%
                Quote: Alex777
                After 2 years, we will ask: Well, Andriy, did your Poles help you? wink

                But the Poles did not help you ... and they will not help you ...
          2. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 04
            +1
            It is unlikely. Rather, the Ministry of Defense will behave as usual - delay funding. It was so for all corvettes.
            1. Connor MacLeod
              Connor MacLeod 16 December 2020 19: 02
              0
              But there is always money for RTOs. laughing
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 17 December 2020 11: 11
                0
                With RTOs, everything is different, the Ministry of Defense asked Pella, instead of continuing the process of transferring RTOs to the fleet, to allocate it for the parade, then filed a lawsuit against the plant for the resulting delay.
                Our MO, it's so ... ingenious.
        2. Alex777
          Alex777 15 December 2020 15: 35
          +5
          His tricky code is retiree2021. wink
          1. mark1
            mark1 15 December 2020 15: 39
            +6
            And by grimaces, as if a pensioner in 2060, apparently young in soul.
            1. GTYCBJYTH2021
              GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 18: 18
              -11%
              Quote: mark1
              And by grimaces, as if a pensioner in 2060, apparently young in soul.

              But the Navy really needs ships, not contracts? Young in soul ... in body aged ...
              1. mark1
                mark1 15 December 2020 18: 22
                +4
                And who will build them without contracts? This has always been the case both in Ingushetia and in the USSR and now.
            2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Boris ⁣ Shaver 16 December 2020 10: 28
              +2
              Quote: mark1
              by grimaces, as if a pensioner in 2060, apparently young in soul

              Apparently, there is not a pension for old age.
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 December 2020 13: 46
    +19
    Well, the pessimists were crying, everything was gone, the client leaves, the plaster cast is removed. And life goes on as usual.
    1. Bez 310
      Bez 310 15 December 2020 14: 13
      -24%
      Quote: Ros 56
      and the pessimists were crying

      Nothing changed...
      The Navy needs ships, not contracts!
      1. Kart
        Kart 15 December 2020 14: 39
        +11
        Here above, two more of yours are crying about "no one to build" and "oligarchs' yachts."
        Let's go in chorus.
        You look, and cartoons with pensioners will catch up.
      2. Ros 56
        Ros 56 15 December 2020 18: 06
        +4
        And according to contracts, they will probably do skis? Why are you so boring?
    2. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 14: 39
      -21%
      Quote: Ros 56
      Well, the pessimists were crying, everything was gone, the client leaves, the plaster cast is removed. And life goes on as usual.

      The optimists HAVE SOUGHT and rejoiced in the fact that somewhere somewhere someone signed and the plant would come to life, as well as its subcontractors and shipbuilding specialists from Muscovy would come in large numbers ... lol
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 15 December 2020 15: 36
        +16
        In fact, the plant has already built 4 buildings. 2 passed one is being tested and another one is being completed.
  5. Yuriy71
    Yuriy71 15 December 2020 13: 54
    -26%
    The timing and pace of construction is simply FUCKING! But oil and gas carriers are building at a Cosmic pace! This is, apparently, more important for today's Russia! But in China, for example, they are building NEW shipyards for the construction of frigates !!! They will be "baked like pirpozhki" !!!
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 15 December 2020 14: 03
      +3
      Quote: Yuriy71
      But oil and gas carriers are building at a Cosmic pace! This is, apparently, more important for today's Russia!

      In fact, the Koreans are building oil and gas carriers. On "Zvezda" the nose is only welded on. Here is the appropriate pace
    2. Guru
      Guru 15 December 2020 14: 15
      +12

      Yuriy71 (Yuri)
      Today, 13: 54
      NEW
      0
      The timing and pace of construction is simply FUCKING! But oil and gas carriers are building at a Cosmic pace! This is, apparently, more important for today's Russia! But in China, for example, they are building NEW shipyards for the construction of frigates !!! They will be "baked like pirpozhki" !!!

      And before that, the Chinese - oil and gas carriers were building at a Cosmic pace!
      So everything goes according to plan. hi
      1. Yuriy71
        Yuriy71 15 December 2020 14: 45
        -14%
        You can joke around - as much as you want! But, not to understand the problems of shipbuilding in Russia is simply stupid! You take a look at the Shipbuilding Plans and how they are constantly being carried to the RIGHT !!! NONE OF THE FLEETING PROGRAM WAS PERFORMED IN TIME !!! And you, at least throw your Hats, at least swing a Sword - this is the TRUTH !!! 000 Morguns, has not yet been entered into the fleet! The circus!!! How many years has it been going on !? What else will you say here, dear !!!
        1. Guru
          Guru 15 December 2020 15: 06
          +12
          You will still speak here, dear !!!

          After 30 years of Collapse, Sawing and theft, under technological sanctions. rebuilding the shipbuilding industry is NOT EASY. And if you naively believe that the only problem is (Again, the polymers were stolen), then you are greatly mistaken. There are NO specialists - Simply they are NOT, and the new generation wants to "Raise" money, not "Earn" And therefore - Dear sir, the FUCKER I am informing you. laughing
          Everything goes according to plan tongue hi drinks
          1. faiver
            faiver 15 December 2020 16: 03
            -13%
            After 30 years of Collapse, Sawing and Theft
            - I somehow missed the drastic changes? Have you stopped stealing, ruining and sawing? The people at the helm are all the same, the list of the oligarchy has not changed much either, then where and what has changed?
            1. timokhin-aa
              timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 15
              +2
              At the ASZ there were landings of Stalinist proportions, only Adamenya bounced, but God forbid it will be closed one day, you can immediately until the end of days (there is a reason).
              Now there are normal healthy staff, and work will go fine if the Ministry of Defense does not freak out with payments as before.
    3. fiberboard
      fiberboard 15 December 2020 14: 23
      -20%
      Who are they going to fight with at sea?
      1. Grits
        Grits 16 December 2020 09: 51
        0
        Quote: fiberboard
        Who are they going to fight with at sea?

        With an adversary
        1. fiberboard
          fiberboard 16 December 2020 18: 11
          0
          With which? With the USA, the Americans will beat them quickly and professionally. With Japan, the Japanese are a very tough nut to crack, and the Americans will not let the Koreans offend them either. With us, there will be enough ground army and air force, the fleet will have a secondary role. They stick to India quickly and without problems, neither old aircraft carriers nor new Rafali will save the Indians.
          1. Grits
            Grits 16 December 2020 18: 12
            0
            Quote: fiberboard
            With which? From the US, the Americans will both beat quickly and professionally. With Japan, the Japanese are a very tough nut to crack, and the Americans will not let the Koreans offend them either. With us, there will be enough ground army and air force, the fleet will have a secondary role. They stick to India quickly and without problems, neither old aircraft carriers nor new Rafali will save the Indians.

            Katz offers to give up
    4. Interlocutor
      Interlocutor 15 December 2020 16: 22
      +5
      Deuce to you for trolling
    5. Dart2027
      Dart2027 15 December 2020 19: 01
      +2
      Quote: Yuriy71
      But oil and gas carriers are building at a Cosmic pace!

      Their equipment saturation is different.
    6. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 05
      +2
      The Ministry of Defense throws the USC with money on a systematic basis. As it pays, so the shipbuilding industry works.
  6. Hog
    Hog 15 December 2020 13: 55
    +12
    This is another matter, 6 normal corvettes, and then the field of all these 22160 and 20386 mood was so-so.
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 15 December 2020 13: 58
    -10%
    And before the age of 24, what will the Amur Shipbuilding Plant please us with, are they not busy with civilians?
    1. Eldorado
      Eldorado 15 December 2020 14: 09
      +12
      The Corvette Rezkiy will be commissioned in 2021, and from 2023 the Pacific Fleet will start receiving Karakurt from the ASZ.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 15 December 2020 14: 12
        +4
        It seems that things are going well!
    2. Guru
      Guru 15 December 2020 15: 25
      +6
      tralflot1832
      Judge for yourself, colleague, this is a short history of the products of the Amur shipyard.

      Postwar years
      In the mid-60s, the plant switched to the production of sea vessels and in less than eight years, besides other products, built 96 sea tug boats, 125 sea fishing seiners, including refrigerated fish hold for operation in the equatorial waters of the Atlantic coast.

      In 1974, the shipyard was renamed into a shipyard. The production of new fishing seiners of several modifications began, and more than 320 of them were built for the fishermen of the Far East. The production of a new gantry crane KPP-12.5 was mastered, which was awarded the State quality mark three times.

      Since 1978, the plant has begun building ships for the Navy.
      80-90-e
      In 1980, the lead tanker was built and a series of construction of offshore fuel dispensing tankers and water tankers began. On their basis, the production of water-filled vessels has been mastered.
      In 1987, by the Decree of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, the plant was awarded the Order of the Red Banner of Labor. production of domes for temples.
      In 1990, the lead ship was built and the serial construction of medium-sized production vessels of the unlimited navigation area "Primorye" began.
      In 1994 the plant was transformed into an open joint stock company.
      The plant is modernizing fishing seiners aimed at improving the technical and economic indicators. The only hot-dip galvanizing section in the Far East region was created, which allows applying zinc coating to steel surfaces of parts up to 12 meters long. A unique project was developed according to which domes and hipped roofs were made for the Church of the Annunciation of the Mother of God in Blagoveshchensk and the Cathedral of the Holy Trinity in Tynda. For coal mining enterprises, the production of buckets for walking excavators has been established. production of water pipelines for the Bureyskaya HPP.
      The engineering staff is constantly on the lookout for new ideas and solutions.
      Our days
      For the Bureyskaya HPP under construction, the plant has manufactured sections of torus facing, water conduits for turbines with a diameter of 6,5 and 8,5 meters made of steel with a thickness of 12 to 40 mm and other non-standard equipment.
      For the Bureyskoye Reservoir, a set of equipment was made for the collection and utilization of wood fin, which, in addition to platform barges and pontoons for processing equipment, also includes unique tug boats developed by the St. Petersburg Design Bureau "Redan".
      The plant delivered to the customer the lead and the first serial offshore diving boat of the new generation, large hydrographic boats, and a series of target vessels. Started building a small hydrographic vessel of project 19910 for the needs of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Hydrographic Enterprise".
      The plant built and handed over to the Amurvodput FBU two new modern design boats of project 3050.
      Today the plant, relying on rich experience, is able to solve problems of any complexity.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 15 December 2020 16: 50
        +5
        Sorry, from the modern list they forgot about two ferries for Sakhalin, one has already been towed to Vladivostok for completion. hi
      2. frog
        frog 15 December 2020 21: 15
        0
        Was it not he who accidentally lowered the "Kerch Strait"?
  8. ioan-e
    ioan-e 15 December 2020 14: 13
    +5
    According to the agreement, the Pacific Fleet from 2024 to 2028 will receive two corvettes of Project 20380 and four corvettes of Project 20385.

    The news is good, but it's just not clear why build 20380, if 20385 is incomparably stronger in terms of impact capabilities, and the difference in price is so great?
    1. slm976
      slm976 15 December 2020 14: 49
      +20
      The news is good, but it's just not clear why build 20380, if 20385 is incomparably stronger in terms of impact capabilities, and the difference in price is so great?


      Recently, Shishkin (Navy-Korabel) voiced the opinion that the following corvettes of project 20385 to be laid will go on the new energy from Kolomna - diesel D500:
      https://navy-korabel.livejournal.com/254226.html

      The use of new energy would allow the corvette of project 20385 to reach a speed of 30 knots. But at the moment this diesel engine is still undergoing tests, and for it, as usual, it will be necessary to make a gearbox on Zvezda.
      Perhaps that is why they increased the 20380 series by 2 pcs., So that the ships are continuously under construction and the hulls at the NPP do not stand idle while waiting for the power plant (as it was on the NE from 22350), and when the new energy is ready, 4 pcs will be launched. 20385 with a new power plant.
      I think so.
      1. ioan-e
        ioan-e 15 December 2020 15: 21
        +5
        A reasonable explanation hi
        1. slm976
          slm976 15 December 2020 15: 23
          +2
          So far, rather a guess. smile
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 15 December 2020 15: 43
        +2
        corvettes of the project 20385 will go on the new energy from Kolomna - diesel D500:

        It would be very nice. But Shoigu said clearly in August at the gas station - to build serial ships without ROC.

        In general, they named 2 reasons why their construction was stuck, one - the engines and their running characteristics, and echoing the price. At a price with the installation of a "barrier", 20380 are already catching up with 20385.

        Most likely, just for absolutely nothing - as a result, there will be 6 of them at Pacific Fleet 20380 and 20385.
        1. slm976
          slm976 15 December 2020 16: 07
          +3
          Diesel D500 was designed to replace the MTU, around which Project 20385 was originally built, it is already at the testing stage, if Shishkin is not lying to us), that is, in fact, money has already been invested in the creation of this diesel engine, it remains to finish the power plant completely, launch it into series and deliver in place, perhaps this does not require any special changes to the project and large investments, but it will take some time ..
          Well, as far as I remember, 2 more additional 20385 have to sign on CB. From my point of view, it would be logical to bring to mind the energy of a series of 6 newly laid ships).
          These are purely my assumptions, and what will happen in reality - we will see in the near future.)
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 11
            +1
            The trick is that the D500 in the D49 power group does not give the ship any advantages. It's just heavier and that's it.
            In theory, it will be more reliable ... when it's done.
            Also, it is not localized,
            1. slm976
              slm976 16 December 2020 11: 38
              -1
              Good afternoon, Alexander, please explain your thought .. I looked at Kolomna, D49 (16ChN26 / 26) - the most powerful up to 6000 hp, D500 (16ChN26,5 / 31) up to 8000 hp ...
              What's wrong?
              1. timokhin-aa
                timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 14: 11
                +1
                I explained below, in fact, 12D500 will be a little lighter than D49, but at the same time it is not yet "in the metal", I wrote the rest in another branch.
      3. Garris199
        Garris199 16 December 2020 02: 30
        0
        I don’t understand, the engine from 20380 to 20385 will not fit or what? Is the presence of the UKSK so critical to the engine?
        1. slm976
          slm976 16 December 2020 06: 06
          -1
          The engine from 20380 has already approached and is on the Thundering. But this was a forced measure, initially, it was planned to install a more powerful imported engine at 20385, which made it possible to develop a higher speed. Now there is an opportunity to supply a new, more powerful domestic engine and reach the indicators originally laid down in the project.
      4. timokhin-aa
        timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 12
        0
        Recently Shishkin (Navy-Korabel),


        Shishkin is in a small borderline state, he can write something that in reality is not simply not there, but cannot be at all.
        Be careful with him.

        2DRRA12000 will be on all corvettes with RRP-12000 gears and 16D49 motors
        1. slm976
          slm976 16 December 2020 11: 47
          +1
          Shishkin is in a small borderline state, he can write something that in reality is not simply not there, but cannot be at all.
          Be careful with him.


          Alexander, I saw many different reviews, where they wrote the same thing about you and Maxim Klimov, or even worse))), which absolutely does not mean that the authors of these reviews were right. I try to look through different points of view (I read the maximum possible information on the topic) without taking anything on faith at once, but without categorically rejecting it and try to find a grain of truth in this heap of contradictory information. And the truth, it usually always happens somewhere between the extreme points of view ... somewhere in between!
          1. timokhin-aa
            timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 14: 07
            +3
            I clarify

            D49 6000 hp - 26t and D500 6000 hp - 22 tons
            D500 8000 hp - 35 tons a new gearbox is needed (with them we know what)

            five hundred, which are collected on Kolomna are not localized, there all the iron is made in Europe, Kolomna will have to seriously strain to start all this at home. Now they are promoting a 16D500 that is an 8000 horsepower V16 engine. He will most likely appear "in metal" first.

            The ship for it will have to be completely redesigned, and a new gearbox will be needed

            Before the series there is like before the carrot spell.

            Shishkin is really constantly wishful thinking and this is easily verified.
        2. A_Lex
          A_Lex 16 December 2020 12: 52
          -1
          Shishkin is in a little borderline state


          Rather overly optimistic. Often he writes from the position of "what would be best", as if against the background of the USSR, not the Russian Federation.
    2. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 08
      +1
      This is the result of complex intrigues. Our saboteurs tried to obscure the president's order and reduce his demand for six corvettes to the 4th 20385 for the same money.
      They almost succeeded, in this gang there is still hysteria from the fact that two more 20380s were screwed to their four at the last moment.

      Here you have to look at the principle - not to fat, I would live. We could have just stayed with 4 20385.

      There is a war up there, if anything, and it is very difficult to defeat the rats.
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 16 December 2020 12: 55
        -1
        There is a war up there, if anything, and it is very difficult to defeat the rats.


        So after all around the war if you look closely. And as practice has shown, it is impossible to defeat the "rats" once and for all. Therefore, perhaps the best possible thing is simply to admit that "rats" were, are and will be and will take the war for granted.
        1. timokhin-aa
          timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 14: 08
          +1
          We have a serious overkill with them.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 17 December 2020 03: 06
            -1
            We have a serious overkill with them.


            So the system was taught to forgive. And in war it is like in war.
  9. Runway
    Runway 15 December 2020 14: 18
    -11%
    To replace 1124M? Total 4 - 380s and 4 - 385s for two PB fleets? Isn't it not enough (if the MPC is on the pins and needles)?
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    3. alexmach
      alexmach 15 December 2020 15: 44
      +4
      Why 4 then? 6 actually.
      1. Runway
        Runway 16 December 2020 01: 05
        -1
        Two 380s between the 33rd berth and Dalzavod are busy, two are under delivery, two have been contracted with delivery after 24 years. Yes, the error is 380 x 6 units.
        And 385 - 4 voiced contracts.
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 16 December 2020 01: 12
          +2
          Thundering and Nimble at the North Shipyard?
          1. Runway
            Runway 16 December 2020 02: 43
            0
            Are they also at the Pacific Fleet? Then there will be 6 and 6. Replacement of "Albatross" and RK (with the additional weight of the Karakurt - 4 units).
            16 units in total instead of 8 + 15 (mpk / mrk-rk) at the current moment (pensioners).
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 17 December 2020 16: 28
              0
              Are they also at the Pacific Fleet?

              As promised. And there BOD and "Gadflies" gathered to modernize at least partially.
              On the way, the Pacific Fleet looks like almost the most progressive fleet.
              And they also say that the same "retirees" are still on the move and in working order.
  10. Sofa
    Sofa 15 December 2020 14: 24
    +8
    Well, here's the good news, good ships, although in the near zone, are well armed.
  11. faiver
    faiver 15 December 2020 14: 33
    -6
    Happy for the Amur plant and the Pacific Fleet
    And what about the construction of ships of the first rank?
  12. Graz
    Graz 15 December 2020 14: 33
    0
    for the Pacific Fleet, all the same, I think it is necessary to make ships with an average and with a longer range
  13. zwlad
    zwlad 15 December 2020 14: 35
    +3
    Straight very great news !!!
    More to such!
  14. Connor MacLeod
    Connor MacLeod 15 December 2020 14: 54
    -2
    Can't you build 6 20385 corvettes and 0 20380 corvettes?repeat
    1. faiver
      faiver 15 December 2020 16: 06
      -3
      Surely you can, but apparently someone doesn't need it ...
      1. Connor MacLeod
        Connor MacLeod 15 December 2020 20: 01
        -3
        What do you think really in general, project 20380 should be modernized according to such a scheme - instead of missile defense system to embed the UKSK, and the missile defense system should be placed in the stern near the helicopter hangar? Or will it fail?

        Uranus is nothing at all! And so there would be heavy anti-ship missiles and PLUR and CD for ground targets to work out ...

        1. faiver
          faiver 15 December 2020 21: 37
          +3
          Call me, I won't tell you, is it necessary? all sorts of ships are needed, not everyone can go with the UKSK ...
        2. A_Lex
          A_Lex 16 December 2020 13: 00
          -1
          How do you really think about project 20380 to modernize according to this scheme


          You don't even need to think about it now. In the fleet, count 8 corvettes built. For 20 years. Given the regular decommissioning of ships, this is a failure. What upgrades, if they take another 5 years, how hello? Let at least go with Uranus, but at least something will be in the composition.
  15. GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 18: 29
    -8
    Quote: alexmach
    In fact, the plant has already built 4 buildings. 2 passed one passes and and another one is being completed.
    The factory has built 4 CASES ..... ONE DELIVERING ..... Explain to us ....
  16. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 15 December 2020 19: 42
    0
    Ministry of Education or what? Correct the title of the literate
  17. SVD68
    SVD68 15 December 2020 21: 17
    0
    Have you really read and accepted Klimov's article about the corvettes that will go into battle tomorrow?
    1. timokhin-aa
      timokhin-aa 16 December 2020 11: 09
      +2
      No, but the press buzz since 2018 has had a big impact.
  18. Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 17 December 2020 07: 17
    +1
    I am very happy for the Pacific people! the news is really long-awaited, it remains to lay a series of modernized Gorshkov for the Pacific Fleet, yes 4 Ash)) + a flight carrier (expeditionary) + in general there will be a blooper))