British 6th generation flat-nozzle fighter concept confirmed

Britain continues to work on a sixth generation fighter. This is despite the fact that the United Kingdom Air Force does not have a fifth generation fighter of its own design. There is an American F-35, in the creation of which British companies took part to a certain extent.

The sixth generation multipurpose combat aircraft is being developed by TeamTempest. This team showed another image of a combat vehicle under development.

The company notes that the development is carried out with the participation of 70 representatives of the military-industrial industry, each of which makes a certain contribution to the "development of the Royal Air Force."

Some of the project participants have been named: BAE Systems, Leonardo, Rolls Royce, MBDA, Spirit AeroSystems.

Chief Marshal aviation Michael Wigston:

Team Tempest takes a revolutionary approach to collaboration, engaging with academia, companies of all sizes, bringing leading innovators to this work. That is why Britain remains at the forefront of the development of combat aviation.

It was confirmed that the British sixth generation aircraft is implementing the concept of a flat nozzle. To reduce visibility, the air intakes are made with the front part sloping towards the fuselage. The vertical tail assembly is a pentagonal structure with a front bevel of more than 60 degrees (from the fuselage).

It is planned that all weapons of the 6th generation fighter from TeamTempest will be carried in the internal compartments, and its control will be largely carried out through an artificial intelligence system.

It has not yet been announced when such aircraft will be put into service with the British Air Force.

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[aszzz888]

Britain continues to work on a sixth generation fighter.

Will such a project be pulled insolently after leaving the EU?

[Victor_B]

Quote: aszzz888

Will such a project be pulled insolently after leaving the EU?

Most likely a concussion ...
On the other hand, impudent people have all the competencies.
But the gold reserve at ataman the queen is mute!
Or maybe that's enough, two aircraft carriers were burned down, and the F-35V was purchased for them.
We will look ...

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Victor_B

We will look ...

In ten years they will announce that they have decided to close their program and join a similar US program, with the transfer of all developments. And maybe even earlier.

[KAV]

Quote: Victor_B

Most likely a concussion ...

In the head of the Brit?
In general, yes. These are just populist statements. Now it is very fashionable in the world to shout about breakthrough achievements, which are not even on paper.

[SAG]

LOL .... Why not the 9th generation at once? The voiced (yet undeveloped) things for a still non-existent fighter, even in the layout, are completely copied from the f-22. And how should the 6th generation be guaranteed to win the 5th. ?!
Complete nonsense. Shame on Britain, they stood on a par with the gypsies on their tongues.

[ihnovich990]

Well, rye is not magi. Is there something to say about the case?

[aszzz888]

Victor_B (Victor Petrovich)
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Quote: aszzz888
Will such a project be pulled insolently after leaving the EU?
Most likely a concussion ...
On the other hand, impudent people have all the competencies.
But the Queen's chieftain has no gold reserves!
Or maybe that's enough, two aircraft carriers were burned down, and the F-35V was purchased for them.
We will look ...

We will be ...

[halpat]

Quote: Victor_B

Quote: aszzz888

Will such a project be pulled insolently after leaving the EU?

Most likely a concussion ...
On the other hand, impudent people have all the competencies.
But the gold reserve at ataman the queen is mute!
Or maybe that's enough, two aircraft carriers were burned down, and the F-35V was purchased for them.
We will look ...

Well nicho nicho, they have methods:
1. Do not give gold reserves to any different small countries like Venezuela. This method is widely used by the Anglo-Saxons on both sides of the ocean. With success, as they say.
2. The reserves of fugitive Russian (and not only) officials / oligarchs / bankers are being confiscated. Everyone knows that they hang out there for money. So for one or two, if cho. And the most caved in from the expropriated will be given the title of peerage to sweeten.
3. Yes, and no compensation for leaving the EU can be paid. What for? And what levers does this EC have? Yes, no.
You look, and not only on the 6th generation will fill up, on the bottom.

[Imobile]

But the Queen's chieftain has no gold reserves!

Friends of Putin will be thrown.

[NDR-791]

Quote: aszzz888

Will such a project be pulled insolently after leaving the EU?

Will pull. They not only came out of the EU, but more kissed the daddy and joined.
It was confirmed that the British sixth generation aircraft is implementing the concept of a flat nozzle
What a peasant is like a monkey

[Temples]

Talking with your tongue, don’t roll bags.

When was the last time the British created a fighter?

By the time this concept is built, the requirements for the aircraft will change. I don't think a flat nozzle will play any role or not.

And the rest of the important criteria at the moment will be secondary.

[NDR-791]

Here is a link to an article about this summer from 2018. And things are still there - pictures, however, have become more lively - graphics have stepped forward since then.
https://topwar.ru/144889-tempest-perspektivnyy-britanskiy-istrebitel-shestogo-pokoleniya.html

[Lex_is]

an article about this summer from 2018. But things are still there - pictures, but they have become more lively - graphics have stepped forward since then

Yes, not the right word!
The graphics have become completely realistic, even three-dimensional!

What will they not only do to deceive the people.

[NDR-791]

So this model was even in a different color at 18m. From this it did not become the sixth generation, and even more so it did not fly

[Lex_is]

And things are still there - pictures

I didn't notice something about the model here
Tell me, is the stage of development "making a full-size demo model" and "blowing the model in a wind tunnel at speeds exceeding Mach 2" is it different from the stage "sketching a perspective appearance" or not?

[NDR-791]

I didn't notice something about the model here
Well, a big model, that's all.
Different, of course, but it's just a concept. And not the only one. Against the background of the fact that the British cannot agree with Europe about cod whether this is still another question. And of course they won't pull it alone

[aszzz888]

NDR-791 (Artyom)
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Quote: aszzz888
Will such a project be pulled insolently after leaving the EU?

Will pull. They not only came out of the EU, but more kissed the daddy and joined.
It was confirmed that the British sixth generation aircraft is implementing the concept of a flat nozzle
What is a peasant, so is a monkey laughing

“Daddy” has changed. Today it was officially announced in merikatosia who will fit on the stool.

[NDR-791]

Yes, they don’t care, they didn’t apply to anything, everything was water off a duck's back

[donavi49]

Why the British ???

The Tempest Initiative is:
England
Italy (Leonardo)
Sweden
partly France (MBDA)
partly the Netherlands (Thales-Netherlands).

There is an alternative option - FCAS

France is leading the project with Dassault and Watermelon.
Germany participates actively and will release on the Eurofighter production infrastructure
Spain also participates and plans to purchase FCAS
It is also possible to participate in Italy, as it is possible to use the assembly facilities of Eurofighter in the new project.

[Alex777]

France and Germany are sawing their plane.
Britons with Italians and Swedes.

[Bolt cutter]

after leaving the EU?

The EU cost them 50 billion a year, plus social payments mainly to Romanians (all increasing) who, according to the EU rules, arriving in England with all the camp were entitled to these payments. As a result, the social budget exceeded the defense budget and grew.

[nnm]

And these are the ones who broadcast about cartoons and pictures. But in fact - what is the niche for their product? The EU is now closed to them, the Americans will be all the more not happy with the competitor, which means that the maximum, if it comes to the production stage, is a small batch for internal needs. Which is just unprofitable.
As a result, I think, it will be like with "Manhattan" - the Americans will take away interesting developments, and the Brit will be kicked out the door.

[Kuz]

It's funny ... No one can articulate exactly how the fifth generation differs from the sixth, but Britain is developing a uniquely sixth generation.

[Lex_is]

No one can yet articulate exactly how the fifth generation differs from the sixth.

Did you now call the commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces, the head of the UAC and the head of Roscosmos "nobody"?
Boldly!

Dmitry Rogozin, following a meeting on combat aviation at the Sukhoi Design Bureau, announced the start of work on the creation of a sixth generation fighter

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[Horon]

Rogozin is where? He is not responsible for aviation, there are other leaders there. In the absence of strict criteria for the 5th generation, I see the difference between the British device only in artificial intelligence from the signs of the 5th generation. Are there not enough signs? F22 with a more powerful computer and a program that simulates self-learning immediately turns into the 6th generation with a hand movement ?! It's funny!

[donavi49]

Only the 4th generation has settled well, for it is a long-liver and obvious distinguishing factors. In general, division into a generation is a conditional thing.

For example, the first includes the Me-262, Yak-15 and such aircraft as Venom and F-84G. Of course, the last pair divides the first, while still being able to provide CAS.

For example, the MiG-21 was dragged from 2 generations to 3, and the BIS became 3+, and 21-93, in fact, only 4 without instability. But it possesses a radar station like the 4th generation and the URVV like the 4th generation.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Kuz

It's funny ... No one can articulate exactly how the fifth generation differs from the sixth, but Britain is developing a uniquely sixth generation.

In principle, it is necessary to develop already now, for example, a fighter initially sharpened for an unmanned version.
Whether it will be called the 6 plus or 7 minus generation is not important.

The main thing is that this option will be a "new generation" in relation to the fifth generation (f35, su57, j20 ...)

For maximum overloads, it will be possible to set at values ​​unattainable now at 35-40g.
Dismissal of the cockpit = the air intake can be positioned in a more natural position, in line with the engine, flat wing underneath.

It is possible to use schemes that are unstable for piloting, which do not risk doing for manned vehicles.
For example, abandon the rudder tail.

These are very significant changes in both the airframe design and materials.

The truth is that they painted the brits can be almost the same f35, but not a multifunctional fighter.
The F35 is too thick and clumsy.

[eklmn]

"The truth is that they painted the brits can be almost the same f35, but not a multifunctional fighter."
Brits not only draw, but also work closely. And it won't be an F-35, it will be much more serious ...
https://theaviationist.com/2020/12/09/new-images-of-the-tempest-sixth-generation-aircraft-revealed-during-uk-industry-engagement-event/
(lane google)
“Development of the new sixth generation Tempest fighter continues with some revolutionary concepts.”
“According to a statement from the UK Department of Defense and key industry partners,“ Tempest is one of the UK's most ambitious technology endeavors, designed to create a high-tech, adaptable combat aviation system that will enter service in the mid-2030s. This next-generation combat aircraft, which is part of the broader combat aviation system, will use new technologies as they evolve to respond to the changing nature of the battlefield, addressing increasingly high-tech and complex threats and conflicts. "
Here's what has been revealed to the public so far.
“Leonardo, who is the electronics project leader, is developing a new radar technology called the Multi-Function Radar Frequency System. The new sensor is said to collect and process 10 times more data than existing systems, or "the equivalent of big city internet traffic every second," providing operators with a clear view of the battlefield and potential targets. According to the company, complete subsystems have already been created and successfully tested, ultimately paving the way for future air testing.
BAE Systems is working on another revolutionary concept, the "wearable cockpit". In this case, the cockpit as we know it, full of switches, sensors and screens, becomes fully digital, and all physical controls are replaced by augmented and virtual reality systems. The new cockpit will be designed inside the pilot's helmet and fully customizable according to the pilot's preference and mission needs. ”
“Human and AI are working together to create a virtual co-pilot who will interact with the pilot and provide support during the flight. "
“Rolls-Royce is working on advanced combustion technology for the Tempest. The next generation system will be hotter than previous ones to improve engine efficiency, range and speed, and reduce carbon emissions. Along with high temperature combustion, there will be a new thermal management system that will use the turbine as a radiator to recycle heat energy, eliminating the need for overboard ventilation and increasing efficiency, as well as increasing electricity generation, reportedly in the order of one megawatt, which will be used to power everyone. aircraft subsystems.
This follows Rolls Royce's assessment that the fighters of the future will have unprecedented levels of power consumption and heat load that need to be adjusted accordingly to ensure low glider visibility. More specifically, the company said they will integrate an inline electric starter-generator that will act as an APU and as an electric generator once the engine is wound. ”

[A.K.]

And what distinguishes it from the fifth generation of aircraft is the name and type (artificial intelligence), well, this is a maximum of 5+ in my opinion on the su 57, this is all there or is already developing a flat nozzle for it, for example. And so on. In my opinion, they are making a generation 5+ aircraft of their own design to get away from the Americans.

[Dodikson]

the thing is that no one in the world has yet created the concept of a 6th generation aircraft. that is, even the term itself is not in fact yet, because xs what to include in it, and the Naglo-Saxons have already 6 generation.
but they still lag behind Mozambique, they read this news and began to design the 18th generation aircraft, in response to this Angola began to design the 24th generation fighter.

[Lex_is]

funny that no one else in the world has created the concept of a 6th generation aircraft. that is, even the term itself is not in fact yet, because xs what to include in it

Oh really?

Russia:

In June 2016, the head of the directorate of military aviation programs of the UAC, Vladimir Mikhailov, announced the development of a promising sixth generation fighter. Its characteristics include: hypersonic speed, super-maneuverability, versatility, stealth technology, the use of composite materials in construction

U.S.:
NGAD (Next-Generation Air Dominance) program with the declared first flight of the prototype.

[Dodikson]

and what? Well, they blurted out something, and then what?
5th generation aircraft have clear criteria, and they are the same for Russia, for the United States, and for Angola.
and for the type of the sixth generation, each country sculpts its own vision, and to be more precise, that it will succeed, it will be the 6th generation and, accordingly, everything that they did will go into the description of the 6th generation
there is still no concept of the 6th generation, NO,
they have not even decided whether it will be unmanned or manned.

[A.K.]

Well, the title of the article speaks for itself, the concept of the 6th generation British fighter was confirmed.

[Dodikson]

A BRITISH concept, not a global one.
if the brits do not succeed, like mattresses with normal non-afterburning supersonic for the Penguin (fu-35), they will delete this from the requirements for the 6th generation.
but this will be normal only for the Brit, and in other countries where it works out, the opinion will be different.

[Graz]

Considering what happened to them with aircraft carriers, that I am tormented by vague doubts that this is a good idea, to build something they certainly will build, but how it will fly and operate is a big question

[tralflot1832]

My grandson has already developed the seventh generation on the komputor and is driving with might and main in shooting games! Stay with the British scientists! The ammunition load is endless!

[Pessimist22]

Well, this is definitely an invisible plane

[Thrifty]

Why not the seventh generation at once? Although, aircraft of generation 7 must be able to conduct maneuverable combat in space, so that's right, the Angles have not yet emerged with a face shape before the creation of a generation 7 aircraft! !! They, like the Chinese, having no experience in creating aircraft of one generation, decided to bungle an airplane of a higher class. ...

[rotmistr60]

Britain continues work on sixth generation fighter

That's right, why waste time on trifles. Immediately 6th generation, and better 7th, tk. all the same until no one can tell the difference.

Britain remains at the forefront of combat aviation

At the forefront, you can sit in a trench, or you can serve in a funeral team. And then, and then it is honorable and necessary, tk. at the forefront.

[tarabar]

The entire article is a solid statement of intent. Remove all English names and insert Russian, Chinese, Indian and you get a believable article about the development of a 6th generation fighter in the respective country.

[Kart]

Quote from tarabar

Remove all English names and insert Russian, Chinese, Indian

And the American ones? They still have the same cartoons.

[evgen1221]

The 7th generation will apparently be characterized by rainbow screens, square wheels and oval nozzles. And should fly backwards.))) Vangyu the most important distinctive aspects in the opinion of British scientists.

[Bshkaus]

Not a word about the criteria relating the aircraft to the 6th generation. But this is much more important information than Britain's lack of its own 5th generation aircraft.

[Tagan]

Quote: Victor_B

But the gold reserve at ataman the queen is mute!

But they have not forgotten how to steal. Think of Venezuela. Here is their little gold, go, and it went into business :)

[betta]

Most likely at the current technological level, their 6th generation will suck. Anyone who will design in 10 years will do better. There is no need to rush.

[Lex_is]

Most likely at the current technological level, their 6th generation will suck. Anyone who will design in 10 years will do better. There is no need to rush.

Urgently inform the commander-in-chief of the Aerospace Forces Bondarev and the former commander-in-chief, now sitting in the UAC, Mikhailov!
Otherwise, in 2025, they were going to lift the 6th generation into the air.

The Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces of Russia Viktor Bondarev said that work is underway in the Russian Federation on manned and unmanned versions of the sixth generation aircraft

Deputy Prime Minister of Russia Dmitry Rogozin said that the Sukhoi Design Bureau presented the first developments on the sixth generation fighter. In 2014, the UAC announced that the first such aircraft would be created in the second half of the 2020s.

[betta]

I'm sure it won't take off until the end of 25. It's too early. 5th generation flies, they will understand what's what. New materials and technologies will appear, and by 2030 something will begin to appear. And the very time will be by 2035. This is in the system of the current movement of science, if they still learn to move like a UFO (and there are prerequisites), then everything can be steeper. Just do not need to convince me that there are no UFOs, I saw them and the opposite cannot be proved. By the way, designers need to do something, so they are designing, well, call it the 6th generation.

[Ros 56]

There may be a hundred concepts, but what about real hardware of at least 5 generations?

[Flurry]

"When they do, then we'll talk!" FROM

[Jacket in stock]

Fifth generation ...
Sixth ...
Seventh ....
All this reminds me of a fantastic children's book, which describes how in the twenty century some guy invented an iron. He took the newest heater as a basis, drew all the drawings, carried it for approval ... until he reached the third chief, his heater was already outdated, something new had already been invented and the project was wrapped up ... and so on in a circle
Well for tankers - an armored box, it is a box in the twenty-first century. Add all sorts of new bells and whistles, take off, throw away the old ... and as many times as you want. And every time you need a new plane (although what am I talking about, the B-52 will soon be one hundred years old, and they will still survive all these newfangled stealths)

[Alexey-74]

I think this is nothing more than a wish of the Britons (for now, anyway), the concept of a 6th generation fighter is still very blurred. Lacking truly breakthrough technologies, including experience in creating a fifth generation aircraft, the sixth generation is still only in theory.

[JonnyT]

Britov should not be underestimated, especially since they have a high school of aircraft construction.
Most likely they have data on the 5th generation of the USA (received in a friendly way) and the Russian Federation (stolen through the Indians). They analyzed them and came to some conclusions.

[Lex_is]

Most likely they have data on the 5th generation of the USA

BAE Systems, Rolls Royce, Spirit AeroSystems F-35 and developed.

How can they not have data on their developments and the developments of subcontractors with whom they have linked their developments for 10 years?

[APASUS]

Like the 6th generation should be unmanned? Or the British have their own gradation of generations, like China

[voyaka uh]

The picture shows an aircraft of the 5th generation, similar to the F-22.

[Iris]

Now the time has come - what is not a fighter, then a new generation!

[Growlers]

Britain is a US colony since 1945. Since then, they themselves have not designed or built anything worthy. And "British scientists" has become a household name for all kinds of senseless, if not slightly insane, scientific projects

[Incvizitor]

Small ones, where do they climb? Soon, at such a pace, the 5th will begin to create

[iouris]

Does anyone doubt that Britain has 6th generation technologies (namely "sixth")?

[fa2998]

Quote: Kuz

but Britain is developing a uniquely sixth generation.

This is just a publicity stunt! It is good that they did not name the seventh.
All that is listed, we see it on the aircraft of the "5th generation", nothing new. And it is not known when to wait for the "novelty" in 15 years. Certainly others will roll out new aircraft.

[set of sets]

I wonder where is the border between the fifth and sixth generations.

[alch3mist]

I wonder where is the border between the fifth and sixth generations.

Ask the famous "British scientists"

[Reserve buildbat]

"This is why Britain remains at the forefront of the development of combat aviation."

They fell from this "leading edge" 60-70 years ago.