Advertising masterpieces: an advertisement for the sale of a PSM pistol

The Republic of Moldova is one of the few countries in the post-Soviet space in which citizens have the right to own a firearm weapons... Including short-barreled (revolvers and pistols).

The state provided such an opportunity to citizens by adopting in 1994 the law "On control over individual weapons."

Only state shops, which are structural divisions of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, received the right to trade in arms.

Citizens who possess weapons legally, but want to sell them for whatever reason, can do it in Moldova in two ways.

1. Submit it for sale to the gun store. But this is a long procedure. And it is expensive (store commission, VAT).

2. Look for a buyer yourself. And arrange the sale and purchase in accordance with the law.

Award PSM: a gift to Andropov for his anniversary.

A certain resident of Chisinau decided to take the second path. By the way, my former boss, leaving for permanent residence in Russia, did the same.

But today's salesperson turned out to be a great PR man. He wrote about his pistol in such and such a way that I could not pass by his ad.

In the commentary, I politely expressed my doubt. At least regarding the year of release. He wrote, they say, an inscription in Latin at the time of Andropov - this is from the category of fantasy. And the Baikal brand, which belongs to IzhMekh, began to be used in the 90s.

Soon, the seller removed his ad. But I prudently took a screenshot.

Much surprises:

- Serial number.

- Place of manufacture.

- Lack of engraving (named after all).

- The caliber of the cartridge.

- Core material.

- The number of cartridges.

Well, Andropov's possible involvement with the KGB archive too.

What do you think about the pistol for sale? Could this exist in principle?

The seller insisted that he was offering “an item with history».

Comments

[parusnik]

Of course with history, the mentor stole the "pestle" from the "KGB archive".

[210ox]

There are two fools in the market - one sells, the other buys.

[parusnik]

And we are commenting on this ...

[Deck]

Everything is strict and logical. Drums - Stradivari, gun - Goering, PSM - Andropov.

[Navigator Basov]

Spoon - Gorky, button - Pushkin.

[Clear]

I could not get past his announcement.

This is not an announcement, but some kind of howling about death

In connection with the misfortune of a friend ...

Due to the premature death ...

in urgent need ...

Heart is breaking...

and the worst thing

The gun is in Chisinau

[whatis love]

Oh my God. I will not say for the whole world, but in the CIS, when selling weapons by private individuals, various stories are attributed. And that this weapon belonged to Andropov, then Gagarin, then Fidel Castro, etc. there will be no VO, but OFC (Review of Fantastic Freaks)

[dgonni]

Why are they only attributed. I knew a man who sold assembled iron without wood, 1912 carbine. Tsarist production. According to history, the seller's great-grandfather owned it. He pulled it in from the First World War and used it in Makhn's retreat. Makhno said he personally shot from him. That is possible, and the local rumor seems to have confirmed that the great-grandfather entered the fighting circle.
The carbine was disassembled during the Soviet era and stored separately in parts. The tree has dried up and it was worn away by the wood-shashel. And so the iron was perfectly preserved. In my opinion, I went to Kiev for a collection for a normal price.

[A. Privalov]

PSM was created in the early 70s chambered for 5,45 × 18 mm.
The 6,35 × 15 mm cartridge began to be used only in the 90s with Baikal-441. Accordingly, the seller embellished a little.

[Real Pilot]

This is most likely trauma!

Baikal is a brand under which pneumatics and traumatics were made already in the post-Soviet period.
For being traumatic, it is the presence of cartridges that speaks. For the pneumatic, there are CO2 cylinders and small 4,5mm bullets.
Plus, 99 is not his number. This is the brand of the manufacturer. The room is on the other side.

By the way, I still have a Baikal pneumatic gas cylinder PM, with a broken trigger. I know what I'm talking about.

Perhaps the author of the announcement wants to deceive people from another country who are not aware of the peculiarities of weapons production in modern Russia. Alas! Andropov did not find this sample anymore ... In any case.
And why exactly the "KGB archive"? Ibid documents

[BAI]

To begin with - in the photo IZH-75 - the corrugation of the handle. The classic PSM has no corrugation.

Above PSM, below Izh. On the one hand, they are one and the same, on the other, they differ.

[CHILD]

The combat ones also had such handles.

[The leader of the Redskins]

Better to come up with something for Alla Pugacheva! To protect personal dignity!

[garri-lin]

I definitely take it. You can keep the gun for yourself. But I take cartridges made of iridium-titanium-chrome alloy at any price they ask for.

[Navigator Basov]

There are cartridges made of an alloy of foil with cardboard, with a lohanut coating.

[ssergey1978]

Why publish all kinds of game?

[impostor]

Amazing. The seller is obviously a welder, has an idea about expensive electrodes, but what about the core had to be stated - depleted uranium. Penetrates NLD "Breakthrough"

[Undecim]

You can find tons of such garbage on the net.

But this is not a reason to drag him to the site.

[Toucan]

The Republic of Moldova is one of the few countries in the post-Soviet space in which citizens have the right to own firearms. Including short-barreled (revolvers and pistols).

The Russian government refuses to grant its citizens the right to short-barreled self-defense weapons, under the pretext that our people are irresponsible and we will certainly shoot each other. It would be very interesting if the respected author found it possible to tell how the possession of a short-barrel in Moldova affected the criminal situation and the real cases of the use of weapons.

[Varyag71]

Even the Roma have the right to buy, but they are afraid in Putin's tight Russia.

[Toucan]

Quote: Varyag71

Even the Roma have the right to buy, but they are afraid in Putin's tight Russia.

Moldovans are practically Romanians. But, to call them "gypsies" is probably still not worth it.

[Captain45]

Quote: Tucan

Moldovans are practically Romanians. But, to call them "gypsies" is probably still not worth it.

A similar phrase in his defense was cited by a football referee who called the Negro "Negro", which means "black" in Romanian, after a major scandal arose. The Negro began to resent that he was called black, that everyone was racist, and the judge said that they - Romanians - are called gypsies, but he does not suffer from this and there is nothing for the Negro to take offense at the black if he is black.
And the pistol is most likely gas, they were produced in the 90s, although there may be an injury.

[Mister X]

Quote: Captain45

who called the Negro "Negro", which in Romanian means "black",

negru - black
I know, as a native speaker

[Varyag71]

Well embellished a little, but the meaning is the same.

[Mister X]

Quote: Tucan

calling them "gypsies" is probably still not worth it.

Do it right.
Even Italians distinguish us.
Moldovans in Italy are willingly hired, but Romanians are not.
They are thieves and petty ...

[Mister X]

Quote: Varyag71

Even gypsies have the right to buy

Who do you mean?

[Petrik66]

No, with an average salary. then in Moldova - 200 bucks, a lousy Romanian TT cost 600, glocks cost 1500 and more. So the pleasure is expensive, but for those who needed it because of the type of activity, they already had it. The war passed 2 years and the trunks went - the battalion can be kept, there were also Romanian ak (full d ... o), but there were also from the warehouses of the 14th army. AK - 800 dollars, AK Romanian - 500-600, AKSU - 1500. I even came across a set for APS with a pbs and a stock (not to be confused with the village of Kobura), together with APS they asked for 3000 dollars. Fly - 350 dollars And those who bought, reviled and put away from sin. Moreover, a year later they looked at you as a moron, if you walked with a pistol, the children's fires in the bottom had not yet burned out. And the mafia? so she is immortal)))))

[Mister X]

Quote: Petrik66

The war has passed 2 years and the trunks went

My friend was married to a riot policeman.
Then the cops and thieves - covered everyone in a row.
A friend's husband was carrying home a sports bag with money, and there was AKSU in it.
Their son told about it at school.
The classroom called the mother of that child (they were friends) for a private conversation.
- You talk to your son: what you can tell and what not ...
This was before the Transnistrian War.

[Mister X]

Quote: Tucan

if a respected author found it possible to tell how owning a short-barreled trunk in Moldova

Sorry for the delay in answering, not enough time for everything.

This did not lead to a worsening of the criminal situation and an increase in the number of murders, as the opponents of such an introduction feared.
However, some cases of use, even tragedy, have been registered.
Nadergal from various sources.

In June 2018, as a result of a domestic conflict, a 30-year-old young man, the son of a famous Moldovan political scientist, was shot dead.
The conflict occurred with his 32-year-old friend, with whom, according to the investigation, the victim shared alcoholic drinks in his apartment.
According to the materials of the criminal case, the suspect, who was cold in a state of alcoholic intoxication, fired three shots at the victim from a 10 × 9 mm CZ P-19C pistol, which he legally owned.
During the search of the apartment, four types of firearms and ammunition were found, in particular a Glock 19 pistol of 9 × 19 mm caliber, a CZ-858 long-barreled gun of 7,62 × 39 mm caliber, and a Makarov pistol of 9 × 18 mm caliber.
In this case, an investigation was conducted; if convicted, the suspect could face up to 15 years in prison.

[Mister X]

In December 2017, near the karaoke club, where the gala evening of the laureates of the Oriental Kickboxing Federation of Moldova was held, there was a conflict with people who wanted to go to the club.
During a private evening, two unknown persons approached the hall where the celebration was held and tried to enter the club.
As a result of a verbal skirmish between the unknown and the athlete, a fight broke out, during which one of the guests took out a pistol and shot Vladislav G. (World Amateur Kickboxing Champion 2008) in the head, and then disappeared.
The victim was taken to hospital in serious condition and was put into a state of artificial coma.
The persons who committed the crime were quickly identified. They tried to escape, but were detained at the border checkpoint, where they tried to cross the border and leave the country.
If found guilty, the person who fired the shot, in accordance with the Criminal Code of the Republic of Moldova, faces 10 to 15 years in prison.

[Mister X]

On February 17, 2017, 13 people illegally entered the territory of a shop at a car service station in Stavceni (a suburb of Chisinau).
They arrived in 4 cars, behaved aggressively, attacked employees, destroyed furniture.
It is not yet known for what purpose they staged a pogrom.
The owner barricaded himself in the office and called the police.
Four attackers began to storm the door of his office.
As a result, he opened fire with a pistol in self-defense.
The shopkeeper fired seven shots and wounded four people.
One of them died on the spot. Two went for medical help immediately, the third only in the evening.
Investigators say another person was injured in the shootout. He went to the hospital under an assumed name, and after providing assistance, he refused hospitalization.
At that time, 4 participants in the conflict were detained.
These are people from that company of men who broke into a car service.
Others are being investigated.
Three criminal cases were initiated on the fact: under article murder, attempted murder, and under article hooliganism.
The shooter is actively cooperating with the investigation. They did not detain him yet, in all likelihood he was forced to defend himself.
One of the instigators of the fight, who died, had about 10 convictions and even set one of the police stations on fire.

[Mister X]

On October 1, 2016, a 30-year-old resident of Chisinau, who was sitting on a bench with his cousin and friend, saw an unknown young man who was intoxicated trying to get into a taxi.
After the comments, a conflict arose between these persons. The young man, dissatisfied with the ridicule, who was trying to get into a taxi, called his friends for help, after which the conflict turned into an active stage.
During the fight, the Chisinau citizen tried to use the weapon that he had legally, but one of the opponents drew a pistol and fired three shots in his direction, which turned out to be fatal.
Immediately after that, the killer got rid of his weapon and fled in an unknown direction.
Later, during the search activities, four suspects aged 20 to 24 were arrested, including a girl.
Two of them live in Odessa and came to Chisinau to celebrate the "Day of Wine", which was held these days in the capital.

[Mister X]

Also in recent years, a number of cases of fatal injuries have been recorded as a result of careless handling of legal weapons, including one of the cases occurred at the Dynamo boom range where a person who wants to purchase a pistol and fires control fires in the presence of the owner and instructor, as a result careless handling caused himself a gunshot wound incompatible with life.
Also, legally kept firearms have been repeatedly used for suicide.
For example, in February 2018, in a forest park zone in Chisinau, the corpse of a 45-year-old employee of the Chisinau police department was found with a gunshot wound.
The Taurus PT22 pistol, which was legally kept, was found next to the body of the deceased.
According to official reports from the Inspector General of Police, the case is classified as a suicide.

[Petrik66]

When he lived in Moldova, in 97 he bought himself PSM, if his memory does not fail, then for 1100 dollars (equivalent). Then everyone began to buy barrels for themselves, and it was not very expensive to register the right to carry, if there were connections with the police department. I dragged it around for a couple of weeks, twisted a couple of shirts and put it neatly in the safe. A year later, the topic was gone and carrying a barrel with you, and even more so to demonstrate it, became the lot of bullheads. In the best case, I took them out to the dacha for shooting at banks. In short - nafig he is not needed. Yes, but my boss, who had 2 combat (I don't remember the second one) and a gas one, was kidnapped when he was taking out the trash)))) Then they returned - the chief, and out of anger he dismissed the guards and handed over all his pukalki. Do not make debts, do not throw and you do not need weapons. And I passed my PSM through the same store. Good luck everyone!)))

[Bongo]

Quote: Petrik66

When he lived in Moldova, in 97 he bought himself PSM, if his memory does not fail, then for 1100 dollars (equivalent). Then everyone began to buy barrels for themselves, and it was not very expensive to register the right to carry, if there were connections with the police department. I dragged it around for a couple of weeks, twisted a couple of shirts and put it neatly in the safe. A year later, the topic was gone and carrying a barrel with you, and even more so to demonstrate it, became the lot of bullheads. In the best case, I took them out to the dacha for shooting at banks. In short - nafig he is not needed. Yes, but my boss, who had 2 combat (I don't remember the second one) and a gas one, was kidnapped when he was taking out the trash)))) Then they returned - the chief, and out of anger he dismissed the guards and handed over all his pukalki. Do not make debts, do not throw and you do not need weapons. And I passed my PSM through the same store. Good luck everyone!)))

In my opinion, if a short-haul in a city is needed, then only those who often carry large amounts of cash with them. For the rest, this is mostly a burden, well, maybe someone else will satisfy their complexes. But personally, I would take a .357 Magnum revolver exclusively for self-defense outside the city. There are a lot of bears in our area, which are sometimes aggressive. Carrying a gun with you for mushrooms, berries or fishing is very burdensome. In addition, being in the forest with a hunting weapon in the off-season, or without an open license is automatically considered poaching, and entails the seizure of the weapon and the imposition of a fine.

[Mooh]

Those who carry large sums of cash in the city, either do not shine and carry them in inconspicuous bags, which for the time being canals, or they don’t bother and order an escort of a vohra or chop. When you go in an armored car and with two submachine gunners, it is much calmer than with a rusty TT in your belt. And the service costs a little more than a good taxi. For the price of a glock, you can go to and from work for a month :)

[Mister X]

Quote: MooH

or do not stink and order an escort of a vohra or chop.

In 94 we were engaged in real estate and offered the services of the Legion agency to our clients.
One day an emergency happened.
The agency's car with a client and money drove up to a traffic light.
There the throttle cable jammed and the car roared.
Everyone was very nervous, as, according to the instructions, no one should get out of the car until they reached their destination.
Drove jumped out, and crawled under the hood.
The guard put the trunk of the Saiga through the open window.
Has passed ...

Some clients would like security, but at half price.
In such cases, I played the role of the guard.
A suit, a cloak, a serious face, a stern look ...
And the right hand is meaningfully hidden behind the hem of the coat

[Evil 55]

a revolver under the .357 Magnum - well, almost the same as a gun .. only from the pants when you meet a bear, until you pull it out, only sneakers will remain ..

[Toucan]

No, I argue, if you carry a weapon in your pants, then it is. As for the size and weight of the revolver and the IZH-27 or Saiga-12S rifle, we can compare, do you want?

[Mister X]

Quote: Bongo

only for those who often carry large amounts of cash with them.

Collectors and bodyguards are supposed to be on duty.
In 96, I carried large amounts of cash.
Do not hesitate to walk down the street, in broad daylight.
And nobody robbed me.

Once I was waiting for the opening of the bank, and went to the supermarket to drink coffee.
At that time we had (it seems the only one in Chisinau) Green Hills supermarket.
In Green Hills there was an "elite" cafe, where socialites came to eat a salad in full view of the amazed audience.
I go to a cafe, ask for a cup of coffee.
They answered me rather rudely that they had not yet opened, early.
I harbored a grudge, and trudged to the bank.
I got the money, filled it in a translucent yellow bag, and went to the Green Hills cafe.
There I throw my bag of bucks on the counter and demand coffee.
Both the saleswoman and the clients looked at me with respect.
I drank coffee (the package was open in the middle of the table), and went out into the street.
Taxi drivers were on the sidelines.
Among them was the Seagull.
I went up to that Seagull, agreed with the carrier, and drove off.
And I had to go as much as 2 blocks.
Usually I got there on foot.
But I wanted to show off.
Eh, youth, youth ...

[Aag]

Quote: Mister X

Quote: Bongo

only for those who often carry large amounts of cash with them.

Collectors and bodyguards are supposed to be on duty.
In 96, I carried large amounts of cash.
Do not hesitate to walk down the street, in broad daylight.
And nobody robbed me.

Once I was waiting for the opening of the bank, and went to the supermarket to drink coffee.
At that time we had (it seems the only one in Chisinau) Green Hills supermarket.
In Green Hills there was an "elite" cafe, where socialites came to eat a salad in full view of the amazed audience.
I go to a cafe, ask for a cup of coffee.
They answered me rather rudely that they had not yet opened, early.
I harbored a grudge, and trudged to the bank.
I got the money, filled it in a translucent yellow bag, and went to the Green Hills cafe.
There I throw my bag of bucks on the counter and demand coffee.
Both the saleswoman and the clients looked at me with respect.
I drank coffee (the package was open in the middle of the table), and went out into the street.
Taxi drivers were on the sidelines.
Among them was the Seagull.
I went up to that Seagull, agreed with the carrier, and drove off.
And I had to go as much as 2 blocks.
Usually I got there on foot.
But I wanted to show off.
Eh, youth, youth ...

Critical self-esteem rehabilitates you. Partly ...)))

[Mister X]

Quote: Petrik66

to carry a barrel, and even more so to demonstrate it, became the lot of bullheads.

At the same time, the largest computer store in Chisinau was "Risk".
A certain manager-consultant worked in the shop floor.
He wore a white shirt and a pistol on his belt.
Openly so, with pathos.
They managed to spread it on all forums ...

[Petrik66]

Once in 98, a Russian hand-to-hand combat trainer came to our office, with a Miami pistol - gas, but big, and with it, a former warrant officer from Sevastopol, posing as a KGB colonel, decided to fix it, we just lay there laughing. important ones, they talked about the fact that a person's life is worth as much as one cartridge costs. Then, when they understood where they went, they asked them not to kill ... although who needed these clowns. But Miami impressed us. The ensign ran for the money and released them in peace. ))))))) Hmm, there was a case.

[Mister X]

Quote: Petrik66

with a Miami pistol - gas but big

Was he like that?
Beretta 92 replica

And I went for two months with a replica Colt 1911
A friend (there was permission) owed me money.
Left it to me as a mortgage.
And I wore it in the RAM under the jacket, without hesitation.
No permission, but don't care.
I'm cool!
I have a slender package.
It was hard and inconvenient to carry it under the arm: it twisted me.
But I talked to him until a friend returned the debt

[Petrik66]

Well, yes, healthy and with a front sight, we first told him an anecdote about cowboys "we saw a fly son".

[Cure72]

Tucan how short-barreled ownership in Moldova affected the criminal situation and real cases of the use of weapons.

Absolutely nothing. Moreover, here after the conflict, on both banks of the Dniester, there are a lot of illegal trunks left on hand. Both the short-barreled and the Kalash.

[Evil 55]

Who should be funny .. Even the year of issue is duplicated -99 (1999) on the frame and the shutter .. The cheeks are plastic, and the inscription "Baikal" is generally amazing on the award weapon of the Secretary General ..

[Navigator Basov]

All Avito is littered with ads for a penny of accessories (headphones, smart watches) Apple and Xiaomi, Swiss watches for 1500-2500 rubles. In the descriptions, some of these sellers reluctantly, casually specify that this is a fake (as they call a replica, a copy, but these are just fakes), and some do not even bother with this. The administration is reluctant to remove such ads and doesn't seem to even punish such sellers because money doesn't smell. Some buyers of such junk clearly realize that they are buying a fake, but consciously buy it because it is cheap, and even leave positive reviews while enjoying the purchase. Some people seriously believe that they are being sold a new, serviceable, complete original product at a price 5-10 times lower, and then they whine at every corner that they were deceived.
Selling a supposedly PSM using a muddy photograph marked Baikal is the height of cynicism, and it is the height of idiocy to do this.

[Navigator Basov]

Another question arises: if this is Andropov's premium PSM, which was in his possession, and, for example, in the weapons archive of the KGB of the USSR, and migrated to a certain personal collection, then how was this same pistol (allegedly with serial number 99) photographed for amateur sites?
https://war-time.ru/item/pistolet-samozaryadnyj-malogabaritnyj-psm

Well, how was this supposedly PSM with an alleged serial number 99 sold in the Russian Federation as an empty Izh-75?
https://guns.allzip.org/topic/115/623653.html