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Rosatom plans to modernize the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome

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Rosatom plans to modernize the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome

The modernization of the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome is planned to be undertaken by a Russian enterprise, a developer of on-board automatic control and navigation systems, which is part of the State Atomic Energy Corporation Rosatom aviation and spacecraft of the FSUE "Moscow Experimental Design Bureau" Mars ", the official publication of the Russian nuclear industry newspaper" Strana Rosatom "reports.


Mars intends to modernize the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome, now the design bureau employees are conducting an examination on this topic

- writes the edition, without giving other details.

The newspaper notes that the volume of costs for the restoration of the complex is not yet clear. Earlier, specialists of the S7 group of companies, which own the cosmodrome, estimated the costs of restoring launches from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome at 29 billion rubles, Deputy Prime Minister Borisov at 35 billion, and Rosatom at 84 billion rubles in 2020 prices, or RUB 91 billion in projected inflation-adjusted prices.

The Sea Launch floating spaceport consists of the Odyssey floating launch platform and the command vessel. At present, Sea Launch is at the Slavyansk Shipyard, awaiting the start of restoration work.

The cosmodrome has not been used since 2014, when the last rocket was launched, since Russia has ceased to supply Ukraine with components for the production of the Zenit-3SL rocket, the only one adapted for launch from a sea-based cosmodrome.

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  1. Vadim237
    Vadim237 14 December 2020 14: 19
    0
    While Sea Launch is being modernized, just Soyuz 5 will be made and tested.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 14 December 2020 14: 28
      0
      It may be better to introduce money into one thing, otherwise in the same Roskosmos there are a lot of plans, but they still will not shake it. It is necessary to be more effective. We would merge with Rosatom and launch a real program.
      1. Lionnvrsk
        Lionnvrsk 14 December 2020 14: 35
        -6
        Quote: 210ox
        Maybe it's better to introduce money into something

        "Would it be better if they gave it to pensioners?" repeat
        1. 210ox
          210ox 14 December 2020 14: 47
          +3
          For you, probably yes. Retired. For me, in the production of the right. For example, the same "Federation", or whatever this ship is now called together with the carrier. However, you have a worn-out stamp.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 14 December 2020 16: 46
            -3
            Are you sure that "Federation" is what Russia needs today?
            And how can you raise the question of the need for an item if you don't even know the name of the item?
            Do you want to voice the epic with the Federation Space Station - "Eagle? Do you know how heavy it has grown even in calculations? In what state is it today?"
            Is it known that there is no launch vehicle for it today?
            That there is not even a launch pad on Vostochny for this very yet not built launch vehicle?
            There is no talk at all about RN for MS. Fifth Soyuz is in the same development stage as Rogozin's lunar bases.
            1. 210ox
              210ox 14 December 2020 17: 55
              +6
              I think it is necessary. Manned space exploration must develop. He seemed to clearly say that it is necessary to focus on something in particular, and not to throw me on all sorts of projects.
        2. military_cat
          military_cat 14 December 2020 15: 19
          +6
          Quote: LIONnvrsk
          "Would it be better if they gave it to pensioners?" repeat

          Nothing kills memes like people using them inappropriately.
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 14 December 2020 15: 32
            -4
            Quote: military_cat
            Nothing kills memes like that

            Do you think that such a meme should be inscribed on flags? No.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2020 14: 45
        0
        Moving import substitution of components and assemblies from the same Ukraine theft with corruption - where is the modernization of production facilities without them - all this is our astronautics and has slowed down since 2014 next year Roscosmos promises 50 launches - we will see.
      3. Borik
        Borik 14 December 2020 14: 47
        +1
        Earlier, the specialists of the S7 group of companies, which own the cosmodrome, estimated the cost of restoring launches from the Sea Launch floating cosmodrome at 29 billion rubles, Deputy Prime Minister Borisov at 35 billion, and Rosatom at 84 billion rubles in 2020 prices, or RUB 91 billion in projected inflation-adjusted prices.


        For another couple of years it will stand waiting for repairs and the price will rise by another 20-30 billion.
      4. Sergey39
        Sergey39 14 December 2020 15: 10
        +6
        Quote: 210ox
        We would have teamed up with Rosatom and launched a real program.

        And so it happens. Rosatom is a serious organization, it will restore it. Roscosmos will launch Soyuz 5.
        1. Grits
          Grits 15 December 2020 09: 40
          +1
          Quote: Sergey39
          And so it happens. Rosatom is a serious organization, it will restore it. Roscosmos will launch Soyuz 5.

          I think that Rosatom, moreover, has much more money than Roscosmos.
      5. pereselenec
        pereselenec 14 December 2020 15: 53
        -3
        Quote: 210ox
        Would merge with Rosatom

        And Rogozin at the head of the new enterprise.
    2. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 15: 16
      +9
      Quote: Vadim237
      While Sea Launch is being modernized, just Soyuz 5 will be made and tested.


      Work on Soyuz-5 is now in the stage of assembling a dynamic model of the first stage; in the first quarter of next year, the model will be transferred to TsNIIMash. The model of the second stage engine RD-0124MS was released.



      Also, in the near future, firing bench tests of the RD-171MV engine and firing bench tests of the RD-0124MS prototype are to pass.

      Receiving new domestic welding machines from Sespel CJSC is in full swing at the Progress RCC.
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 14 December 2020 17: 34
        -4
        Layouts are good. Moreover, there is hope that "they will be transferred."
        The fact that some tests should go through in the near future is also wonderful. The future is always hopeful.
        The fact that the machines are being received, and in full swing, is generally wonderful.
        But for some reason, questions related to the present time are more interesting.
        In particular, what does it cost to maintain the MS system in proper technical and technological condition? And how long will this maintenance of the complex continue, from which there is no real return and it is not known when it will be?
        And who is paying for this whole banquet today? Presumably S7?
        Is it for this reason that she wants to get rid of this good in any way? In particular, to fuse it to Rosatom? Which one is richer and can keep the MC afloat for several years?
        1. slipped
          slipped 14 December 2020 19: 09
          +6
          Quote: Cosm22
          Layouts are good. Moreover, there is hope that "they will be transferred."


          Before the creation of flight products, models are always created - design, for dynamic tests, for three-vacuum tests, electrical, etc.

          Quote: Cosm22
          The fact that some tests should go through in the near future is also wonderful. The future is always hopeful.


          Not some, but fire bench tests. The qualification tests of the RD-191 engine were recently completed at NPO Energomash. The result is today's successful launch of the Angara-A5 rocket.

          Quote: Cosm22
          The fact that the machines are being received, and in full swing, is generally wonderful.


          I would like to note that domestically produced machines for robotic friction stir welding. Before that, the tanks were boiled with argon. The new technology is simpler and cheaper, and most importantly, a better seam is obtained.

          Quote: Cosm22
          Presumably S7?


          Sea Launch is owned by the private company S7. This company is not going to sell it.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 14 December 2020 19: 56
            +3
            1. Nobody argues. But for some reason, Musk has this very mock-up period calculated in months or, in the worst case, years, and in RK, decades.
            2. Uh-huh. Those. the full cycle of fire tests of the RD-191 passed back in 2010, but the qualification tests, it turns out, were completed only recently? "Five" also wait 11 years? By the way, the successful start of the Angara is conditionally successful. For instead of the required PN, it carried only a massive IPM simulator, that is, a layout. And the reaction of the military to this flight is still unknown. They will accept the product or categorically reject it, as it was after the first launch.
            3. Will you tell me about friction welding? Ask better when Musk began to put this technology into practice. Long before RCC "Progress" began to receive its machines in full swing. Finally, the comrades have seen the light.
            4. The company is not going to sell MC. Good. But is it expensive to maintain this wealth? Right? Otherwise, the company would not have shifted this overwhelming burden onto the shoulders of Rosatom, which is fed by the Russian budget. Otherwise, all is well, lovely marquise.
            1. slipped
              slipped 14 December 2020 20: 22
              +1
              Quote: Cosm22
              1. Nobody argues. But for some reason, Musk has this very mock-up period calculated in months or, in the worst case, years, and in RK, decades.


              The contract for the production of the Soyuz-5 rocket was signed on July 17, 2018. The first aircraft will pass all tests and will be ready by the summer of 2023. Where are the decades? laughing

              Quote: Cosm22
              2. Uh-huh. Those. the full cycle of fire tests of the RD-191 passed back in 2010, but the qualification tests, it turns out, were completed only recently? "


              In 2015, a decision was made to transfer engine production to a new site. In the course of mastering production at Proton-PM, a number of design changes were made to the RD-191 engine, improving its characteristics: increasing the reliability of the product and reducing its cost. Six launches were made at the firing stand.

              Quote: Cosm22
              By the way, the successful start of the Angara is conditionally successful. For instead of the required PN, it carried only a massive IPM simulator, that is, a layout.


              Let's start with the fact that this is a flight design test of the Angara-A5 rocket. The first, second and third stages separated and fell into the designated areas. Upper stage "Briz-M" put the GVM into geostationary orbit, and then into disposal orbit. The GVM branch was not there, so as not to litter, but the commands went through as well. Here is a video from the Ministry of Defense channel:



              This is not a "conditionally successful", but a completely successful launch of the A5.

              Quote: Cosm22
              And the reaction of the military to this flight is still unknown. They will accept the product or categorically reject it, as it was after the first launch.


              Do not invent entities where they do not exist. laughing

              Quote: Cosm22
              3. Will you tell me about friction welding? Ask better when Musk began to put this technology into practice. Long before RCC "Progress" began to receive its machines in full swing. Finally, the comrades have seen the light.


              Well ... your Mask. In the USSR, it was patented back in 1967. laughing
              1. Cosm22
                Cosm22 14 December 2020 21: 17
                -2
                Verbal balancing act again? Verbiage - the last chance?
                1. The beginning of the development of the "five" - ​​2015. Dot. There is nothing more to talk about here.
                2. Constructive changes can be made to any design ad infinitum. Or until blue in the face. The main thing is the result. For example, from a "penny" by constructive changes you can get only Lada-Kalina, but not the six hundredth Merce. In our case, the so-called design changes are only an attempt to justify the wild shifts to the right of Russian launches. Indeed, a 6-year interval between launches is no gate. Hence - endless modernization. Mostly verbal.
                3. It will be considered a completely successful launch after it starts from the declared PN. This is the first thing. Secondly, after it is officially recognized by the customer, the RF Ministry of Defense.
                4. What is there to invent? You just need to know how to use the Internet. Do you have other information about the MO response? Link to the studio.
                5. Who cares when and who invented gunpowder? The main thing is who and how successfully uses it today. This method has been used by Musk for a long time to weld elements of his launch vehicles, much earlier than the "full stroke" of the machine tools entering the Russian workshop.
                1. slipped
                  slipped 14 December 2020 21: 37
                  +3
                  Quote: Cosm22
                  Verbal balancing act again? Verbiage - the last chance?
                  1. The beginning of the development of the "five" - ​​2015. Dot. There is nothing more to talk about here.


                  No. Really not about anything. laughing Read the original source https://www.roscosmos.ru/25322/

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  2. Constructive changes can be made to any design ad infinitum. Or until blue in the face. The main thing is the result.


                  The result is the following - today's launch. And the production cost will decrease in series.

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  In our case, the so-called design changes are only an attempt to justify the wild shifts to the right of Russian launches. Indeed, a 6-year interval between launches is no gate.


                  There was a transfer of production to a new site, and from scratch. All this time, all heavy payloads were launched on the Proton-M launch vehicle. Additional testing of the modules was required. As soon as it became possible to continue the flight design tests of the Angara rocket, the launch was carried out. Next launch in the middle of next year.

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  Hence - endless modernization. Mostly verbal.


                  Not endless, but modernization of production and not at all verbal. For example, in "Proton-PM", in the course of development work on the RD-191 engine, they mastered a number of new technologies, including titanium casting, application of cermet coatings, treatment for oxygen and others.

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  3. It will be considered a completely successful launch after it starts from the declared PN. This is the first thing. Secondly, after it's official
                  acknowledges the customer, the RF Ministry of Defense.


                  Blah blah blah. Already admitted. Relax. laughing https://tass.ru/kosmos/10253807

                  Quote: Cosm22
                  Musk has been welding the elements of his launch vehicles with this method for a long time, much earlier than the "full stroke" of the machine tools entering the Russian workshop.


                  Once again in the w..pu Mask. lol Angara is also brewed by this method.

          2. Whirlwind
            Whirlwind 15 December 2020 05: 49
            0
            slipped
            Clearly, clearly and to the point.
      2. Errr
        Errr 14 December 2020 19: 02
        -3
        Quote: slipped
        Receiving new domestic welding machines from Sespel CJSC is in full swing at the Progress RCC.
        Interesting news, considering the fact that JSC "Sespel" is not a manufacturer of welding equipment. smile
        1. slipped
          slipped 14 December 2020 19: 12
          +6
          Quote: Herrr
          Interesting news, considering the fact that JSC "Sespel" is not a manufacturer of welding equipment. smile


          Welding machine manufactured by CJSC "Cheboksary enterprise" Sespel " laughing



          And this is a ready-made foundation at the Progress RCC for such a machine:

          1. Errr
            Errr 14 December 2020 22: 05
            +3
            It is very good that CJSC "Sespel" is still using a friction stir welding unit of the Swedish company ESAB in the manufacture of workpieces from AMg5 alloy for tank cars (pictured below),
            Recently, they themselves have been seriously engaged in the topic of STP (friction stir welding) and have already created at least two installations (STP 14 and STP-4PL) in cooperation with the Faculty of Science of the Chuvash State University and the Institute of Strength Physics and Materials Science of the Siberian Branch of the Russian Academy of Sciences (IPPM SB RAS). they also have an interesting experience, together with the Tomsk Polytech and the aforementioned IPPM SB RAS, on the use of STP technology with simultaneous ultrasonic action on the parts being welded. In the photo below, this installation.
            https://oko-planet.su/science/sciencenews/351702-rossiyskaya-tehnologiya-avtomaticheskoy-svarki-treniem-s-peremeshivaniem-s-ultrazvukovym-vozdeystviem.html
            That is why I wrote that the supply of welding equipment from CJSC "Sespel" to RCC "Progress" is interesting news. If you wish, you can view a good article on this topic at https://ritm-magazine.ru/ru/public/svarka-treniem-s-peremeshivaniem-alyuminievyh-splavov-pri-izgotovlenii-rkt
            You can also watch on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKsYGqlCbJQ
            Thanks for the photo. hi
            1. slipped
              slipped 14 December 2020 22: 47
              +4
              Quote: Herrr
              AMg5


              By the way, Soyuz-5 uses a new domestic aluminum-scandium alloy 1580. There is not much scandium in it, so it is relatively cheap and cooks well by friction.
              1. Errr
                Errr 15 December 2020 04: 43
                +2
                The Institute of Light Materials and Technologies (ILMiT) is already working on alloy 1581.
                Now, in addition to the alloy 1580 with 0,1% scandium created by Rusal, ILMiT is working on alloy 1581. It will contain only 0,03% of this expensive component. With such a low content of scandium, semi-finished products of this alloy may well replace traditional solutions, and taking into account the chain created by Rusal for extracting scandium from red mud, we expect a further reduction in the cost of ready-made solutions.
                https://www.korabel.ru/news/comments/alyuminievye_splavy_-_eto_buduschee_sudostroeniya.html
                By the way, the correct names for these alloys are R-1580 and R-1581. smile
  2. Galleon
    Galleon 14 December 2020 14: 27
    +5
    With such prices of Rosatom for the restoration of Sea Launch for the leaders of this project, the existence of this complex will be justified even without missile launches. They restored it and there was enough money for everyone. Let's restore something else. No missiles for him? Why restore? We had to take care of missiles first, so that there was something to launch? And to hell with them, with missiles. All the same, it was enough who led.
    This is a joke, of course. I have no doubt that high management has no personal interest, as well as the correctness of counting billions, but the question remains: for what? What to run ??
    1. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 14 December 2020 14: 30
      -9
      Yes you, my friend, Russophobe.
      1. Galleon
        Galleon 14 December 2020 14: 35
        +6
        They haven't called me that yet. belay I am a fob of the current government of the country, yes. Are you filing this department? Where do you get the strength for this ...
        Once he was an officer, father, grandfather likewise. Great-grandfather Cossack Ussuri. Today he took his son to the army - and a Russophobe. Not stuck, I don't feel guilt request
        1. Narak-zempo
          Narak-zempo 14 December 2020 14: 36
          -2
          And here in all ages - whoever is dissatisfied with the authorities is a Russophobe.
    2. Fungus
      Fungus 14 December 2020 14: 30
      -3
      Soyuz 5 will launch
    3. SaLaR
      SaLaR 14 December 2020 14: 39
      -1
      Like what..)) Grandmas offshore ........))
    4. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 15 December 2020 05: 59
      0
      Why are you sitting under Putin's table when he presides over the meetings of the Military-Industrial Commission ??
  3. zwlad
    zwlad 14 December 2020 14: 31
    0
    Was this news like six months ago?
  4. iouris
    iouris 14 December 2020 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: "... the volume of costs for the restoration of the complex is not yet clear." End of quotation.
    It is not hard to say how much it will cost, given inflation, corruption and inefficiency. The main question is relevance (why you can't live without it).
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 December 2020 14: 51
    -2
    Sometimes it becomes scary what this or that enterprise has been brought to, it is easier to create a new one from scratch than to modernize! !!!!
  6. Selevc
    Selevc 14 December 2020 14: 55
    -2
    If the Soviet space developed upward, then the space of modern Russia seems to be developing in breadth !!! Aren't there many cosmodromes ??? Plesetsk, Kapustin Yar, Baikonur, Kura, Vostochny, Sea Launch ...
    1. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 15: 07
      +10
      Quote: Selevc
      If the Soviet space developed upward, then the space of modern Russia seems to be developing in breadth !!! Aren't there many cosmodromes ??? Plesetsk, Kapustin Yar, Baikonur, Kura, Vostochny, Sea Launch ...


      There are now two cosmodromes in Russia - Plesetsk and Vostochny. The Baikonur cosmodrome is leased.

      Kapustin Yar is no longer a cosmodrome; the last space launch from it was carried out in 2008.

      The GKTs in Kourou is used for commercial launches of the Soyuz-ST rocket, the launch services of which were sold to the Arianspace company, the Arianspace company also carries out commercial launches from our cosmodromes, the next launch is the withdrawal of 36 OneWeb satellites on December 18 from the Vostochny cosmodrome.

      1. Selevc
        Selevc 15 December 2020 12: 14
        -1
        Quote: slipped
        There are now two cosmodromes in Russia - Plesetsk and Vostochny. The Baikonur cosmodrome is leased.

        Kapustin Yar is no longer a cosmodrome; the last space launch from it was carried out in 2008.

        Well, long-term cooperation with Kazakhstan in terms of space launches from Baikonur is not a good and large-scale business within the framework of the Eurasian Union?

        As for the Kapustin Yar cosmodrome, it is now fashionable to say how launching rockets from the equator saves money ... But do you think that restoring Kapustin Yar was much more economical and cheaper than building a new Vostochny Cosmodrome ???

        As for the Sea Launch - this project is very much like a metvo-born ... Sea Launch is more like an international adventure aimed at causing financial damage to competing countries. Or is it again a big toy - which the big uncles will play with and it will quietly rust in one of the ports of the Russian Federation.
        1. slipped
          slipped 15 December 2020 23: 09
          +1
          Quote: Selevc
          Well, long-term cooperation with Kazakhstan in terms of space launches from Baikonur is not a good and large-scale business within the framework of the Eurasian Union?


          That is why an agreement was concluded with Kazakhstan within the framework of the Baiterek JV on the establishment of the so-called. "Nazarbayevsky launch" on the basis of the reconstructed 45th site of Baikonur. As part of a commercial contract, the Soyuz-2023 LV will be launched from 5.

          In addition, the reconstruction of the "Gagarinsky Launch" is expected, already within the framework of a trilateral joint venture, which will include Russia, Kazakhstan and the United Arab Emirates.

          Quote: Selevc
          But don't you think that restoring Kapustin Yar was much more economical and cheaper than building a new Vostochny Cosmodrome ???


          It does not seem. KapYar has restrictions on launches. Previously, only light rockets of the Cosmos series were launched from there.

          And from the Vostochny cosmodrome today medium-sized Soyuz-2 launch vehicles are launched, and the heavy Angara-A2023P (M) launch vehicles, starting from 5, are next in line. Construction of the so-called "the second stage" is proceeding at an accelerated pace.

          Quote: Selevc
          Regarding the Sea Launch - this project is very much like a metvo-born ...


          The decision is up to the owner while the project is frozen.
    2. Whirlwind
      Whirlwind 15 December 2020 06: 16
      0
      Aren't there many spaceports ???

      Little. Or into Space. Or into the ground ...
  7. Dimide
    Dimide 14 December 2020 15: 03
    -2
    Modernization, plus the development and construction of a rocket to replace the "Zenith" - in general, will result in fabulous sums
  8. APASUS
    APASUS 14 December 2020 15: 30
    0
    So the final consumer showed up, and the S7 was singing praises here.
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 December 2020 15: 34
    -1
    Chet Rosatom opened his doors and ordered steamers for himself on the NSR and got ready for space at the most expensive tariff. good
  10. nobody75
    nobody75 14 December 2020 15: 40
    -3
    To launch a spacecraft with a nuclear power plant - the very one!
    Therefore, Rosatom is being handed it over!
    We no longer buy Far Eastern fish! (Due to Fukushima, which continues to melt basalts)
    Sincerely
  11. fa2998
    fa2998 14 December 2020 16: 54
    -3
    While ours are "scratching", then the rocket should be replaced by the Ukrainian one - China will seize the market of sea launches. hi