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Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with defective machine guns

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Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with defective machine guns

Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with a batch of defective KUM-7,62 mm machine guns. In this regard, the Kiev plant "Kuznitsa na Rybalsky" (the former Lenin smithy) was put on trial, and the company "Ukrspetsexport" is demanding damages from the plant in the amount of 38,7 million hryvnias (1,38 million dollars).


According to the Ukrainian media, in 2018 Ukrspetsexport acted as an intermediary between PJSC Kuznitsa na Rybalskiy and the Turkish company KBAT ITHALAT IHRACAT PROJE TASIMACILIK INSAAT BILISIM ELEKROMEKANIK and on its own behalf signed a contract for the supply of machine guns KM-7,62 trunks), spare parts and accessories produced by a Ukrainian enterprise.

However, after testing the delivered machine guns, the Turkish side tore up the contract, since the delivered weapon turned out to be defective. The plant accused Ukroboronservis of disrupting, since only the machine guns themselves and their components were manufactured at the enterprise, and the barrels to which there were claims were manufactured at another enterprise and supplied by Ukroboronexport.

The plaintiff provided the barrels in two lots, 248 pieces and 925 pieces (1173 pieces in total), instead of the required 2800 pieces, of which, moreover, 90% were defective. At the same time, according to the defendant's assertions, it is impossible to conduct a technical inspection of manufactured machine guns without barrels.

- writes Diana Mihailova.

However, representatives of "special export" provided an act that some of the machine guns, even without barrels, were already second-hand, with damage and scratches and of different colors.

It is not yet clear how the dispute will end, but it can already be stated that the production of defective military products in Ukraine is becoming enormous.

KUM-7,62 ("modernized Ukrainian mule-gun") - a variant of the Soviet PKM machine gun with a Weaver aiming bar mounted on the receiver and a modified trigger guard. Also, instead of the standard metal box of the cartridge strip, a lightweight box made of synthetic fabric is used. The modernization was developed by the Kiev plant "Mayak".
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  1. NDR-791
    NDR-791 14 December 2020 13: 53
    +22
    Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with a batch of defective KUM machine guns
    KUM he is in Africa KUM. And already in Ukraine, vashsche ...
    1. Mooh
      Mooh 14 December 2020 14: 04
      +29
      Modernized Ukrainian machine gun. lol Well this is how much vodka you need to eat to call the old PKM that way?
      1. halpat
        halpat 14 December 2020 14: 22
        +19
        Quote: MooH
        ("Ukrainian modernized kulemet"

        laughing
        here you can't do with one vodka, you still have to walk for several years in formation along the streets with torches and shout: "Bandera will bring order to restore order"
        then yes ...
        laughing
        1. krot
          krot 14 December 2020 22: 39
          +3
          Ukrainian modernized kulemet

          Yaks are Garn, lads, these Sumerians! laughing Amused the people with their "Machine Gun" laughing
          Though not a calomet ... wassat
      2. tarabar
        tarabar 14 December 2020 14: 24
        +6
        A strange name - kulemet, like some kind of accessory from the Kama Sutra. laughing
      3. donavi49
        donavi49 14 December 2020 15: 11
        0
        Well, joking aside, it was quite good on paper.

        What are the disadvantages of PKM ???

        You can't put attachments - they decided.
        The box rattles, big, dead weight - fixed.




        1. zadorin1974
          zadorin1974 14 December 2020 15: 57
          +4
          Good Donavi! How is your precious health))) So that's what I mean, in the "compass" sometimes I develop such mechanisms, out of pride in myself, it just rips apart blasters, starships, even Star Destroyers. repeat But seriously, a good plant that stole a full production cycle, but could not master it. Interestingly, if your galilas start spanking without payment (license) by changing a couple of stainless steel rivets to bronze, will you agree?
        2. Katanikotael
          Katanikotael 14 December 2020 21: 08
          +3
          With the total weight of the PCM, the lightweight box does not play a role, especially if there is additional weight in the form of a bar and "mounted" on it.
        3. aszzz888
          aszzz888 15 December 2020 02: 36
          +2
          donavi49
          Yesterday, 15: 11
          ...Box thunders, big, dead weight - fixed.
          Have you tried it wet at -25? laughing tongue laughing
        4. Avior
          Avior 15 December 2020 11: 22
          +3
          Not just on paper. But you have not quite the right machine gun.
          This is KM manufactured by Mayak
          It is also on sale and is bought both by the Ukrainian army and abroad.
          KUM produced by Kuzni na Rybalskiy looks a little different

          Both are based on the good old RMB, of course. Weight reduced, there are other changes
      4. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 14 December 2020 15: 22
        +7
        Quote: MooH
        Modernized Ukrainian machine gun.

        Degraded Ukrainian machine gun. That would be more honest.
        "Hammer" will confirm, he is also in the subject.
      5. Maz
        Maz 14 December 2020 16: 34
        +4
        Shaw, Ukraine does not do it, but it turns out lard and moonshine.
      6. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 19: 26
        0
        Well, since they didn’t make half of the barrels to order, but 90% of the delivered ones were defective - a lot was drunk ..
      7. RealPilot
        RealPilot 17 December 2020 12: 42
        0
        Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with a batch of defective KUM-7,62 mm machine guns ...

        But what about frenzy and rollback? Now figure it out, dear godfather Erdogan!
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 14: 36
      +1
      Quote: NDR-791
      KUM he is in Africa KUM. And already in Ukraine, vashsche ...

      It was possible, in the Shumepsko-Bandera spirit, to call this "product" - BOOM.
      1. bistrov.
        bistrov. 15 December 2020 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: tihonmarine
        kulemoon !!!

        They say: "kulemet", hehe ...
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 December 2020 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: bistrov.
          They say: "kulemet", hehe ...

          Exactly, even the word "machine gun" was deranged.
  2. alex83
    alex83 14 December 2020 13: 54
    +7
    The Turks are our brothers, here are the defective trunks)))
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 14 December 2020 14: 01
      +25
      Nobody prevents the Turks from selling defective Baitractors, without wings, to the banderlog in revenge.
      1. uav80
        uav80 14 December 2020 14: 19
        +7
        Rather, then, without the motors that are no longer there ...
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 14 December 2020 16: 06
          +7
          Quote: uav80
          Rather, then, without the motors that are no longer there ...

          Well, the deliveries of "rotaxes" will not be resumed, there will be some "likes". will not merge with the "likes" - they will come up with something else. Or they will start to supply only a glider, and Ukraine will itself buy and install "rotaxes". At the same time, there will be a reason to say that Ukraine has mastered the production of UAVs.
          1. halpat
            halpat 14 December 2020 17: 33
            0
            Quote: Avis
            Quote: uav80
            Rather, then, without the motors that are no longer there ...

            Well, the deliveries of "rotaxes" will not be resumed, there will be some "likes". will not merge with the "likes" - they will come up with something else. Or they will start to supply only a glider, and Ukraine will itself buy and install "rotaxes". At the same time, there will be a reason to say that Ukraine has mastered the production of UAVs.

            rubber motors, that's it.
            And no fuel is needed. True, there is an opportunity to earn a hernia by twisting a bundle of elastic bands, well, nicho nicho.
            1. Reviews
              Reviews 14 December 2020 17: 50
              +1
              Quote: Halpat

              And no fuel is needed. True, there is an opportunity to earn a hernia by twisting a bundle of elastic bands, well, nicho nicho.

              In principle, you can steam machines on blubber lard. It will definitely be know-how ...
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      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 15 December 2020 12: 39
        0
        Quote: Pereira
        Nobody bothers the Turks in revenge to sell defective Baitractors, without wings to the banderlog

        And they will fly "quietly, quietly and low, low." And amen.
  3. uav80
    uav80 14 December 2020 13: 59
    +11
    This has never happened, and here it is again! We ourselves are surprised.

    © V.S. Chernomyrdin
  4. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 14 December 2020 14: 02
    +4
    Brazilians or Brazilians have a reason to think about whether it is worth dealing with rogues ... laughing
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 14: 42
      +1
      Quote: Mykhalych
      Brazilians or Brazilians have a reason to think about whether it is worth dealing with rogues ..

      Yes, it would be time for everyone in 29 years to find out what kind of rogues they are.
  5. tatarin1972
    tatarin1972 14 December 2020 14: 04
    +8
    What can I say, the complete degradation of the military-industrial complex of Ukraine. "And these people are still fighting for the honorary title of a house of high culture of everyday life!"
  6. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 December 2020 14: 05
    +6
    Funny guys - some used machine guns without barrels are pushed in, and their subcontractors are defective barrels. And most importantly, the guilty will not be found.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 14 December 2020 14: 11
      +4
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Funny guys - some used machine guns without barrels are pushed in, and their subcontractors are defective barrels. And most importantly, the guilty will not be found.

      The descendants of Popandopulo rule! Watch "Wedding in Malinovka"! There they will clearly explain to you what, to whom and for how much.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 14 December 2020 14: 46
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        There they will clearly explain to you what, to whom and for how much.

        And what is there to explain "This is for me, this is for me, this is again for me, this is also mine, well, this is here for you, and the rest is all mine. I seem to have deceived myself!" A classic of the Sumerian trade.
    2. Ulysses
      Ulysses 14 December 2020 14: 24
      +2
      You are too picky. winked

    3. Reviews
      Reviews 14 December 2020 14: 29
      +2
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      Funny guys - some used machine guns without barrels are pushed in, and their subcontractors are defective barrels. And most importantly, the guilty will not be found.

      This is obvious: the one who brought it all together is to blame - "who is the last, he and dad! And we are in the house!"
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 14: 43
      0
      Quote: KVU-NSVD
      and their subcontractors are defective trunks

      Probably all over Africa collected barrels.
      1. Reviews
        Reviews 14 December 2020 14: 48
        +2
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Quote: KVU-NSVD
        and their subcontractors are defective trunks

        Probably all over Africa collected barrels.

        Or across the Amazon.
    5. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 19: 29
      +1
      in the sense of the guilty will not find .. and Putin? laughing
  7. poquello
    poquello 14 December 2020 14: 12
    -1
    "were already used, damaged and scratched and of different colors"
    even I can't catch up with scratches of different colors
    1. tarabar
      tarabar 14 December 2020 14: 25
      +4
      They cleaned with different bricks laughing
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 14 December 2020 14: 26
      +1
      Quote: poquello
      I can't catch up with scratches of different colors

      Rusty and fresh.
    3. DAQ
      DAQ 14 December 2020 14: 38
      +2
      No different color scratches laughing but painted in different colors. Hand-painted paint, by eye, or paint from different parties, so different tones come out. In addition, products with scratches look like second-hand. Looks like a heavily loosened paint does not fit well and easily breaks off, or it was not painted using technology.
    4. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 14 December 2020 16: 57
      +2
      Yes, you can't understand a shot of mulberry: the color of rust depends on the chemical composition of the metal - steel-3 is injected at best.
      ;
  8. svp67
    svp67 14 December 2020 14: 12
    +7
    And who in Turkey suddenly needed SUCH machine guns? Obviously, it is for deliveries to "their barmaley".
    But Poroshenko, with his "Forge ..." and then turned out to be "on top", to sell more Soviet, previously operated machine guns, under the guise of new ... Well done.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 14: 53
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      sell Soviet, previously used machine guns under the guise of new ones.

      The bracket was replaced, so another model is "BUM-1", the Weaver's sight is the "BUM-2" model.
    2. Eug
      Eug 15 December 2020 09: 22
      +1
      Like the Forge Poroshenko sold. It was reported that they bought the structures of Sergei Tigipko. Although all this can only be a cover, both "comrades" are rather non-public and murky.
  9. Constanty
    Constanty 14 December 2020 14: 14
    +2
    Two questions.
    1) Do you know who this wonderful barrel maker was (90% defective !!!)?
    2.) Why does Turkey need machine guns chambered for 7,62x54R?
    1. tarabar
      tarabar 14 December 2020 14: 30
      +4
      Yes, everyone understands why the Turks have these machine guns. Only they were waiting for machine guns, and they were sent multi-colored culemons laughing The Turks in front of the bearded boys somehow did not feel comfortable.
    2. Avior
      Avior 15 December 2020 11: 42
      +4
      1. Kiev private company Techimpex. They recently proposed barrels of their patented technology.
      On June 1, 2017, the Kiev company NPK Techimpex LLC applied for a patent .... an "improved constructive analogue of the KM-7,62 infantry machine gun" was proposed, the barrel of which was proposed to be made using Tenifer QPQ technology. On July 25, 2017, the patent for the "KT-7,62 infantry machine gun" was officially registered. It is reported that the new barrel made of chromium-nickel-molybdenum steel 34CrNiMo6 weighing 2,2 kg has improved performance, a resource of up to 30 rounds and the ability to fire in bursts of up to 000 rounds

      Why the problem with the trunks turned out to be unknown. So far, all information comes from one person - blogger Mikhailova.
  10. AshPoseidon
    AshPoseidon 14 December 2020 14: 16
    0
    Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with a batch of defective KUM-7,62 mm machine guns

  11. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 14 December 2020 14: 26
    0
    cool modernization ... instead of a box, a bag (probably the prefix in the Kulemet is just from the word KUlyok)
  12. Reviews
    Reviews 14 December 2020 14: 26
    +2
    Yeah ... nepotism won't get you anywhere.
  13. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 14 December 2020 14: 42
    0
    Yes, Banderlog is in their repertoire, so that the Turks would immediately understand who they contacted. The plant "Leninskaya Kuznitsa" belonged to Parashenko, doubly funny))))
  14. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 December 2020 14: 48
    0
    Kidalovo did not practice ... today, the Turks, and tomorrow the Vuk Roina will definitely throw someone who is not as attentive as the Turks wassat
  15. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 14 December 2020 14: 51
    +3
    waving your ... you have to be a genius to break a Kalash
  16. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 14 December 2020 15: 02
    0


    Anti-flight gunner.
    1. cat Rusich
      cat Rusich 14 December 2020 19: 38
      +4
      Here is the "spark of kulemetov"
      paired maxim
      Maxim was still lucky, "the farrier's hand in Rybalskoye" did not touch him. Others were less "lucky" ...
      sniper rifle "Hopak"
      Sniper rifle "Hopak"
      TTX "Gopaka"
      fellow
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 14 December 2020 15: 29
    +1
    Can not be ! How is it that in the country that won all and all the peremogs, they release weapons with a marriage. The Turks have never heard of the repair of the Mig-21 of Croatia or tanks for Tay
  18. Evil 55
    Evil 55 14 December 2020 15: 36
    +3
    The barrel is corrugated ... this is one of the first PCs, not PKM. And it's already under fifty years old ..
  19. Disorder
    Disorder 14 December 2020 15: 39
    +1
    Barmaley in sorrow. Left without kulemets.
  20. Simon
    Simon 14 December 2020 15: 46
    0
    In, gives Nezalezhnaya! She wanted to deceive Turkey, but she flew in at 38,7 million hryvnia (1,38 million dollars). laughing
  21. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 December 2020 15: 58
    +1
    Well done! In general, the quality of (Ukrainian) weapons ended from the moment the Soviet warehouses were emptied on their territory.
  22. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 14 December 2020 16: 24
    +1
    KUM-7,62 ("KALOmet Ukrainian modernized") laughing
  23. Sergey Kulikov_3
    Sergey Kulikov_3 14 December 2020 17: 42
    +3
    And what, the Turks thought that you can also shoot from a kulemet !? Here you chew the Basurmansky tribe, you need machine guns to shoot, and a mule gun is for a sincere conversation between godfathers, so that no one is hurt by drunkenness.
  24. dedusik
    dedusik 14 December 2020 17: 53
    +4
    Here the sayings are truly true, if you don’t crap yourself, you’ll enter into the ready-made, and if not a cow, it will bite you, then it will press down with a wattle fence.
  25. mlad
    mlad 14 December 2020 17: 58
    +2
    And why do the Turks need this gun? It was obviously purchased for the Syrian barmaley.
  26. Soveticos
    Soveticos 14 December 2020 21: 03
    0
    Quote: Pereira
    Nobody prevents the Turks from selling defective Baitractors, without wings, to the banderlog in revenge.

  27. Soveticos
    Soveticos 14 December 2020 21: 28
    +3
    I apologize in advance if anyone is offended by my words, but the comments on this interesting article made my day. I don't remember when I laughed like that before! laughing
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 23: 06
      +3
      Quote: Soveticos
      I apologize in advance if anyone is offended by my words, but the comments on this interesting article made my day. I don't remember when I laughed like that before!

      If we recall Gogol, Taras Bulba, and the letter to the Turkish sultan, then the Cossacks always tried to deceive the Basurman. Actually, I thought that there was nothing worse than Chinese weapons, but Poroshenko's hard workers overtook them here too. laughing
  28. Kent0001
    Kent0001 14 December 2020 22: 46
    0
    I do not understand, what for the Turks this gemmor? I'm talking about relations with the ruin as a state, or is it being done in opposition to us? Well then, get a machine gun and go ... on and sticks.
  29. Raven 95
    Raven 95 14 December 2020 22: 49
    +8
    So, I don't understand, but where is Russia in this embarrassment?
    Must be present as the accused of course.
    wassat
  30. sgr291158
    sgr291158 15 December 2020 06: 24
    0
    As always in his role.
  31. Eug
    Eug 15 December 2020 09: 12
    +1
    I suspect that there was no normal heat treatment of parts - they save on everything. And some of the "kulemetiv" most likely from the warehouses of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, only some parts were replaced. We were surprised about the painting - is there any paint? Maybe bluing?
  32. Growlers
    Growlers 15 December 2020 11: 36
    0
    Another gesheft in the style of the Square
  33. Avior
    Avior 15 December 2020 11: 37
    +3
    According to Mikhailova's original blog post, the trunks that were found to be defective and subsequently recalled were supplied by a private firm, Techimpex.
    In fact, the cannons are made by the Kiev Mayak.
    But
    On June 1, 2017, the Kiev company NPK Techimpex LLC applied for a patent .... an "improved constructive analogue of the KM-7,62 infantry machine gun" was proposed, the barrel of which was proposed to be made using Tenifer QPQ technology. On July 25, 2017, the patent for the "KT-7,62 infantry machine gun" was officially registered. It is reported that the new barrel made of chromium-nickel-molybdenum steel 34CrNiMo6 weighing 2,2 kg has improved performance, a resource of up to 30 rounds and the ability to fire in bursts of up to 000 rounds

    but it looks like something went wrong. smile
    Let's see what they will write next about the details, while all the information is from one person.
  34. boris epstein
    boris epstein 15 December 2020 17: 34
    0
    "Hammers" to the Turks, "Hammers"! And armored personnel carriers with cracks in their hulls! And in return to receive flightless Bayraktars.
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  36. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 18 December 2020 14: 07
    0
    Strange. Even Putin is out of business.
  37. FahrerLKW
    FahrerLKW 19 December 2020 10: 32
    -1
    Quote: bistrov.
    Quote: tihonmarine
    kulemoon !!!

    They say: "kulemet", hehe ...

    To be sure, in the transcription it sounds - Kulemet, a gun - a garmat, respectively, Alexander Pushkin - Sashko Garmatny!))
  38. Graduate student
    Graduate student 21 December 2020 15: 32
    +17
    Ukraine tried to supply Turkey with defective machine guns

    laughing
    Biznesmeny Christmas tree-stick