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Rogozin on the Angara-A5 rocket: It flies, damn it ...

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Rogozin on the Angara-A5 rocket: It flies, damn it ...

Russian heavy carrier rocket "Angara-A5" was launched from Plesetsk cosmodrome today, December 14th. This was reported by the press service of the Ministry of Defense.


According to the post, the second in stories The Angara-A5 was launched from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region at 8:50 am and was carried out in the normal mode. The rocket launched into space an overall mass model weighing 2,4 tons. 12 minutes after the launch, the orbital block as part of the Briz-M upper stage and the model separated from the third stage of the rocket. The final delivery of the cargo to the target geostationary orbit (about 36 thousand kilometers) will be carried out using the upper stage according to a nine-hour scheme.

The combat crew of the Space Forces of the Aerospace Forces carried out a test launch of a heavy-class carrier rocket "Angara-A5" with an overall mass model of the payload

- declared in the Ministry of Defense.

Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin confirmed the successful launch of the heavy Angara-A5.

She's flying, damn it !!!

- he wrote on his Twitter page.

Initially, the second launch of Angara-A5 was scheduled for November 24, 2020, the rocket was even put on the launch pad on November 17, but then the launch was canceled. The second date was called November 28, but the launch was again postponed for technical reasons.

The first Angara-A5 rocket was launched into space in December 2014. In total, the test program for the heavy launch vehicle provides for six launches, which should take place in the period 2021-2022.

Angara-A5 is the first Russian heavy-class launch vehicle developed entirely in the post-Soviet period. It will be able to launch into space from four to 24 tons of payload, depending on the height of the orbit. The launch vehicle runs on environmentally friendly fuel and is assembled from unified rocket modules, which can significantly reduce the cost of its production and maintenance.
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  1. SRC P-15
    SRC P-15 14 December 2020 10: 19
    +28
    Rogozin on the Angara rocket: It flies, damn it

    Out of place Rogozin remembered the devil!
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 December 2020 10: 27
      +96
      Quote: СРЦ П-15
      Out of place Rogozin remembered the devil!

      Yes, he was already ridiculed on Twitter ... The people are perplexed that the head of Roscosmos is surprised that she FLIES ...

      But seriously, I'm personally glad. and I congratulate those who have put their work and ideas into this flight. AND THANKS to them.
      1. Thrall
        Thrall 14 December 2020 10: 35
        +41
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Out of place Rogozin remembered the devil!

        It flies in spite of the "devils" that have stuck to the Russian space industry.
        1. figwam
          figwam 14 December 2020 10: 41
          +5
          Thanks to the experts for reviving the rocket.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 14 December 2020 15: 05
            +8
            I think I can guess why Rogozin did it. He tried to copy I won't tell who, when I won't tell which social network he wrote "Hell yeah!" after the test. laughing
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 15 December 2020 07: 37
              +1
              Quote: svp67
              The people are perplexed that the head of Roscosmos is surprised that she FLIES ...

              Or outraged ...
        2. Bashkirkhan
          Bashkirkhan 14 December 2020 11: 13
          +11
          The following questions arose:
          1. the devil take it or not?
          2. How does the Russian Orthodox Church look at it and did they consecrate this rocket?
          3. Will all astronautics be done with the help of devils?
          1. keeper03
            keeper03 14 December 2020 12: 26
            +2
            In the very topical issues in the light of recent years! request wassat
          2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 19: 12
            +6
            3. Will all astronautics be done with the help of devils?

            Well, everything Ragozin stuck on plagiarism !!!
            Now the authors of the fantastic dilogy "Armageddon" N. Pirumov and A. Cole will file a lawsuit for the use of infrequent power in space !!! laughing
            1. Gato
              Gato 15 December 2020 20: 04
              +2
              Well, everything Ragozin stuck on plagiarism !!!

              Well the wrong phrase he said laughing
          3. Fizik M
            Fizik M 14 December 2020 19: 38
            -2
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            The following questions arose:

            Monsieur LIAR, YOU have been asked a question https://topwar.ru/178067-aprksn-vladimir-monomah-proizvel-zalpovyj-pusk-chetyreh-mbr-bulava.html#comment-id-11054239
            if you please answer for your lying bazaar
          4. Malyuta
            Malyuta 15 December 2020 02: 12
            +5
            Quote: Bashkirkhan
            The following questions arose:

            1. will be afraid
            2.No. They did not sanctify. Otherwise, it did not fly.
            3. And not only space exploration.
        3. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 11: 30
          -15%
          laughing then, before him, she could not take off for 4 years, but then he sucked and the work went on her
          1. HUNTERDON
            HUNTERDON 14 December 2020 13: 07
            +10
            Rogozin became more and more like a jester
            1. Boris Chernikov
              Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 17: 10
              +8
              and? under him at least they stopped inserting sensors upside down, which was practiced before him and why every year 1 or 2 rockets exploded ..
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 14 December 2020 11: 05
        +24
        Judging by the thrown phrase, he did not believe that he would fly.
        1. ism_ek
          ism_ek 14 December 2020 18: 36
          +15
          he didn’t believe he would fly.

          A new production facility was built from scratch in Omsk and the very first product flew. Few believed in this. Especially after a series of failures with the Proton assembly.
      3. Roman070280
        Roman070280 14 December 2020 12: 03
        +6
        People are perplexed that the head of Roscosmos is surprised that she FLIES ...


        All Rogozin's works went down the drain .. the rocket still flew ..))

        But seriously, I'm personally glad. and I congratulate those who have put their work and ideas into this flight. AND THANKS to them.


        I'm joining !!
      4. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 13: 20
        +13
        Quote: svp67
        Yes, he was already ridiculed on Twitter ... The people are perplexed that the head of Roscosmos is surprised that she FLIES ...

        Don't confuse internet trolls and people. The people will rejoice at the success, and not spit right and left.
        1. svp67
          svp67 14 December 2020 13: 30
          +8
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          Don't confuse internet trolls and people.

          Do you think that "Internet trolls" are not part of the people? Then who are they?
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 13: 56
            +1
            Parasites, traitors and foreign provocateurs.
            1. svp67
              svp67 14 December 2020 14: 17
              +4
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              Parasites, traitors and foreign provocateurs.

              Aren't you afraid to get into a similar list yourself?
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 14: 36
                +1
                No, I am not afraid.
                1. svp67
                  svp67 14 December 2020 14: 42
                  0
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  No, I am not afraid.

                  But in vain ... Many in the 37th year about this STRONGLY regretted, but it was too late
                  1. El Chuvachino
                    El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 15: 09
                    +10
                    Have you been there or are you just verbiage: just to blurt out anything?
                    1. svp67
                      svp67 14 December 2020 15: 13
                      -1
                      Quote: El Chuvachino
                      Have you been there or are you just verbiage: just to blurt out anything?

                      Do you think that those whom their former "comrades" led to execution were very happy about this? "Theirs" lead ...
                      Here it is impossible to divide the citizens of one country into a PEOPLE and someone else ... Citizens, they are the PEOPLE that populates this state. Each of them MUST have their own opinion.
                      1. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 15: 45
                        +4
                        Here you can not divide the citizens of one country into the PEOPLE

                        You can’t pass anyone off as a people, otherwise, according to your logic, any Russian who staged a terrorist attack is a people.

                        First, ask a question and answer exactly who among that Twitter rabble, working all day as trolls, you christened a people.
                      2. svp67
                        svp67 14 December 2020 15: 55
                        -5
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        You can’t pass anyone off as a people, otherwise, according to your logic, any Russian who staged a terrorist attack is a people.

                        Yes, until the COURT proves otherwise.
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        First, ask a question and answer exactly who among that Twitter rabble, working all day as trolls, you christened a people.

                        Everyone who is currently a citizen of the Russian Federation.
                      3. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 16: 04
                        +3
                        Quote: svp67
                        Yes, until the COURT proves otherwise.

                        Did you understand what you said yourself? And here is the court, and how can the court prove that the terrorist is not a representative of the people whom you christened him?
                        Quote: svp67
                        Everyone who is currently a citizen of the Russian Federation.

                        Really? And who is a citizen of Russia and who is not? Have you looked at passports? Among the scoffers who admired you, I saw there the absolute majority of unidentified nouns, a few more Ukrainians and citizens of other countries.
                      4. svp67
                        svp67 14 December 2020 16: 08
                        -4
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        And here is the court and how can the court prove that the terrorist is not a representative of the people?

                        He is deprived of his citizenship, for example. There are already such cases.
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        Among the scoffers who delighted you, I saw there the absolute majority of unidentifiable nouns, a few more Ukrainians and citizens of other countries.

                        And how do you define them there? How does Sharikov smell?
                      5. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 16: 37
                        +4
                        Quote: svp67
                        He is deprived of his citizenship, for example. There are already such cases.

                        To begin with, calm down, drink valerian and stop being rude: this demonstrates the weakness of your position. Then you take out an explanatory dictionary, or at least go to Wikipedia and remember what there are people, and what citizenship is, what are these concepts and how they differ. Then, perhaps, at the same time, you will finally stop giving out a couple of dozen unidentified marginals, bots and just foreign citizens for people.
                        Quote: svp67
                        And how do you define them there? How does Sharikov smell?

                        Easier. With the help of upbringing, respect for other people's work and guidelines, what is normal and what is not. Even such a traitorous subject as Lyosha Navalny publicly rejoiced and congratulated on this successful and joyful event for the country and the people. Whoever has in response only ridicule and poison - in my opinion these are enemies of various kinds and grind, again traitors, again in. Trolls and again parasites in the broadest sense of the word: live off the carrier, suck blood, but at the same time on him and crap, imperceptibly, surreptitiously. So I don’t even think about putting this scribbling commentary for the silversmiths rabble in a row called "People" with tens of millions of compatriots who study, work, build and launch rockets.
                      6. svp67
                        svp67 14 December 2020 17: 09
                        +3
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        and stop being rude:

                        Of course, I'm sorry, but what was it? What statement of mine has offended your fine perception of the world?
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        Then you take out an explanatory dictionary, or at least go to Wikipedia and remember that there are people,

                        Thanks, let's see. PEOPLE:
                        1. Population, inhabitants of this or that country, state.
                        2. Nation, nationality, nationality.
                        3. The bulk of the country's population
                        Source (print version): Dictionary of the Russian language: In 4 volumes / RAS, Institute of Linguistics. research; Ed. A.P. Evgenieva. - 4th ed., Erased. - M .: Rus. language; Polygraph resources, 1999; (electronic version): Fundamental electronic library
                        According to international law:
                        All peoples have the right to freely determine, without outside interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every state is obliged to respect this right. Every state is obliged to refrain from any violent actions that deprive peoples of their right to self-determination, freedom and independence.
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        and what is citizenship, what are these concepts and how they differ.

                        Citizenship is a legal connection between a person and a state, expressed in the totality of their mutual rights, duties and responsibilities. Citizenship is one of the institutions of constitutional and administrative law and usually finds its confirmation in the constitution ...
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        So I don’t even think about putting this scribbling commentary for the silversmiths rabble in a row called "People" with tens of millions of compatriots who study, work, build and launch rockets.

                        Wait, but here you are "going too far." It is one thing when one of the government officials laughs and teases, especially since he himself has more than once given a reason for this and quite another to discredit and mock the accomplishment of people who have performed a labor feat.
                        I see the first one IN MANY comments, although I note that there are the second ones, but everyone has their own opinion and let the "second" be ashamed, albeit from the time, that who could commit an ACT or ACTION, but they remained "a trembling creature ... "
                      7. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 20: 28
                        -2
                        Quote: svp67
                        Citizenship is a legal connection between a person and a state, expressed in the totality of their mutual rights, duties and responsibilities.

                        Let's start with citizenship in order to quickly finish with this thesis. Namely, he never said anything about citizenship. I don't know why you brought citizenship in the context of the court. A court can and can deprive a Russian of citizenship, although such a possibility is not indicated in the Constitution, but a court cannot deprive a person (as well as assign) the status of a "people" or its representative, it does not exist.

                        Quote: svp67
                        Thanks, let's see. PEOPLE:
                        1. Population, inhabitants of this or that country, state.
                        2. Nation, nationality, nationality.
                        3. The bulk of the country's population

                        Great, let's say. And which of the discussed people (or algorithms) fall under at least one of the theses? We take the conditional ten people of real Russians, assuming that the rest were successfully weeded out.
                        Are these ten people the bulk of the labor force? No.
                        Nation, nationality, nationality? No.
                        Population, residents? In part, yes. Why in part? Because these are individual representatives of the people, not the people as a whole. Only 10 people out of 140 million. They cannot express the opinion of the people, because it is expressed in a referendum. They can express their private opinion and, let's say, they do it. And now we return all that heap that we sifted out. Let's add, so to speak, a barrel of ointment to a spoonful of honey. And we get what we have.

                        Why am I formalizing everything this way? Because you yourself, from your second commentary, used "people" already in the legal color of understanding, while in your initial statement, apparently, "people" was used as colloquial speech. Why did you bring it into the legal field and start arguing with obvious things - I do not understand.
                        Quote: svp67
                        It is one thing when one of the government officials laughs and teases, especially since he himself has more than once provided a reason for this, and it is quite another to defame and mock the accomplishment of people who have accomplished a labor feat.

                        Here you can see the "pinning" not only of the official at the moment of success, but of everything at once, including imperfections of the complexes, and in any situation. Consequently, these are trolls who are engaged in systematic persecution. Either for those same silversmiths, or ideologically, but this is the problem: only an ideological fool is worse than a fool. Even from a purely human point of view, this is in any case low, regardless of whether Rogozin gave a reason for such teasing or not. He has not yet made a single concrete failure in his current post. And few people think that the ways of development of projects and strategies of Roscosmos are not limited to the decision of one person - it is a whole team that makes these decisions based on input data, developments and opportunities, on which, in turn, a huge team is working. Do you dare, yes, to whom the spitting goes in the end?
                      8. Snail N9
                        Snail N9 15 December 2020 07: 47
                        +1
                        The rocket launched into space an overall mass model weighing 2,4 tons.

                        While:
                        Angara-A5 is the first Russian heavy-class launch vehicle developed entirely in the post-Soviet period. It will be able to launch into space from four to 24 tons of payload, depending on the height of the orbit.

                        It looks like "tigers are not reported" .... to report that:
                        She's flying, damn it !!!
                        yes
  • ver_
    ver_ 15 December 2020 11: 22
    -1
    ... * .. sometimes a cow flies .. *
  • Sahalinets
    Sahalinets 14 December 2020 11: 09
    +3
    It would be more correct to write to him:
    She's flying, damn it! Despite my guidance ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 11: 23
      -3
      If without "devil", then: "About the miracle of the Great Monitu! She flies!" (D. Rogozin) ...
      1. Archivist Vasya
        Archivist Vasya 14 December 2020 11: 31
        -4
        The Great Monolith is from the Stalker))) what does the Indians have to do with it?) But a miracle for sure!
        1. Nikolaevich I
          Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 11: 37
          +3
          Quote: Archivist Vasya
          Great Monolith - it's from Stalker)

          And the Great Monitu - from "The Last of the Mohicans" ... "The Miracle of the Great Monitu" is the highest degree of surprise or delight among "Monitu fans"!
          1. Archivist Vasya
            Archivist Vasya 14 December 2020 11: 38
            0
            Oh, right, I read it badly. Sorry for the carelessness!
          2. bayard
            bayard 14 December 2020 14: 58
            -1
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            "The Miracle of the Great Monitu" - the highest degree of surprise or delight among "Monitu fans"!

            And indeed - a wonderful miracle. It has not yet reached the geostationary orbit, but it is already flying. fellow
            And yesterday I was presented with a pack of cigarettes produced by the former GDR - "Manita" yes , from Virginia tobacco ... I'll go - call the spirit of Manitou, smell what a good start smells like repeat .
  • Civil
    Civil 14 December 2020 11: 24
    +2
    In November, the chief designer of the Angara complex, Dmitry Petrov, said that the heavy carriers of the first and second flight tests do not structurally differ from each other. In October, Rogozin said that the first flight test of the Angara-A2014 carried out in 5 "did not confirm the customer's requirements," as "the mass to be removed was lower than necessary." In March, the manager announced that Angara-A5 would undergo modernization. During his visit to the Polet production association (PO) (Omsk branch of the Khrunichev Center) Rogozin said that it had been decided to immediately open work to lighten the rocket and increase its thrust-to-weight ratio. In particular, the new "Angara-A5M" from the old "Angara-A5" should be distinguished by the modernized RD-191M engine of increased carrying capacity. In August, Igor Arbuzov, the general director of the Energomash Research and Production Association (NPO), admitted that the first developmental model of the RD-191M could be ready no earlier than the end of 2021.


    The main customer, the Ministry of Defense, is also dissatisfied with the price, which is twice as expensive as the Proton with the same load. The Angara flew for the second time 6 years without a payload. In development since 1995 ...
    1. Boris Chernikov
      Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 11: 31
      +2
      Well, in the 90s they started doing a lot of things. The question is that at that time "the beginning of development" could look like heels of documents with no result ..
      1. Civil
        Civil 14 December 2020 11: 44
        -6
        Quote: Boris Chernikov
        Well, in the 90s they started doing a lot of things. The question is that at that time "the beginning of development" could look like heels of documents with no result ..

    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 11: 46
      -5
      Quote: Civil
      The main customer, the Ministry of Defense, is also dissatisfied with the price, which is twice as expensive as the Proton with the same load.

      If the main customer of the Ministry of Defense, then why make an environmentally friendly rocket? Let the adversaries poison. They will die anyway, and we will go to heaven. Are Greenpeace scared, damn it? After all, two Protons instead of one Angara can be fired.
      1. Civil
        Civil 14 December 2020 11: 52
        -8
        Quote: Mordvin 3

        If the main customer of the Ministry of Defense, then why make an environmentally friendly rocket?

        And which of the civilian customers will fly for such a price? Even taking into account the devaluation of wood? Strongest competition from Electron to Falcon heavy.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 11: 57
          -7
          Quote: Civil
          And which of the civilian customers will fly for such a price?

          We will fly into the pipe with such a rocket. Or has money appeared in the budget? She flies, damn them lifted.
      2. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 14 December 2020 21: 03
        0
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Civil
        The main customer, the Ministry of Defense, is also dissatisfied with the price, which is twice as expensive as the Proton with the same load.

        If the main customer of the Ministry of Defense, then why make an environmentally friendly rocket? Let the adversaries poison. They will die anyway, and we will go to heaven. Are Greenpeace scared, damn it? After all, two Protons instead of one Angara can be fired.


        Well, for example, because Kazakhstan is not the Russian Ministry of Defense and Kazakhstan does not like heptyl. For payback, it is good when, in addition to the military, businessmen buy, and for them, for some reason, it is also necessary that the rocket be "green" there they have some kind of PR and reputational risks.
        Yes, and the Ministry of Defense, with an equal price, would probably also prefer a more ecological missile.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 21: 10
          +2
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Kazakhstan does not like heptyl

          Let them start from the East. Or from Plesetsk.
          Quote: Pandiurin
          Yes, and the Ministry of Defense, with an equal price, would probably also prefer a more ecological missile.

          It is twice as expensive as the Proton, as they say.
    3. keeper03
      keeper03 14 December 2020 12: 29
      -1
      That is, they launched the blank into geostationary orbit ?! belay Again?! what
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 14 December 2020 12: 36
        +3
        Last time, the rocket did not confirm the requirements set by the customer (Ministry of Defense).

        This time the layout is heavier, 2.4t compared to the previous 2.04t.

        (No, I also don't know why the lightweight model was launched last time, if it was known that it did not meet the customer's requirements.)
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 14 December 2020 12: 37
        +10
        Quote: keeper03
        That is, they launched the blank into geostationary orbit ?! belay Again?! what

        Do you want to load expensive satellites on TEST flights?
        1. keeper03
          keeper03 14 December 2020 12: 38
          -4
          I'm talking about the second time! The first one was not enough ?! hi
          1. Piramidon
            Piramidon 14 December 2020 12: 41
            +9
            Quote: keeper03
            I'm talking about the second time! The first one was not enough ?! hi

            Apparently not enough. Testing is a lengthy process and does not end with one run. hi
  • slipped
    slipped 14 December 2020 13: 50
    +9
    Quote: SRC P-15
    Rogozin on the Angara rocket: It flies, damn it

    Out of place Rogozin remembered the devil!


    how it flies laughing damn good!

    1. vargo
      vargo 14 December 2020 15: 21
      +3
      Thank you for attaching the video. And then the author of the article was apparently very busy, since he did not post the most interesting things.
      Interestingly, by the way, on the video I noticed how quickly the smoke dissipates after takeoff)
      1. slipped
        slipped 14 December 2020 16: 31
        +3
        Quote: vargo
        Interestingly, by the way, on the video I noticed how quickly the smoke dissipates after takeoff)


        So the rocket is not solid. It is more like steam in the cold than smoke.
  • smart ass
    smart ass 14 December 2020 18: 31
    -1
    Aha the mask will fly to the moon, Rogozin will be testing the hangar for another 10 years.
  • Malyuta
    Malyuta 15 December 2020 02: 07
    +9
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Out of place Rogozin remembered the devil!

    Everything is always out of place with him.
  • Borz
    Borz 14 December 2020 10: 22
    +20
    Good news, both for the military, and for civilians, and for the country as a whole.
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 14 December 2020 11: 27
      -1
      The fact that it flew is good news. I am objective, well done, that the launch took place. Even without PN as a matter of fact.
      As for the civilians, you can not explain - which ones? Which civilians will be happy to have this miracle? How and in which specific civil sector it can be built?
      1. Borz
        Borz 14 December 2020 11: 44
        +4
        That this is progress, anyway. After all, they did not abandon the launches, which would be a disaster. As for civilians, well, high technologies are sooner or later used in civilian spheres.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 14 December 2020 12: 47
          +5
          Is it progress? If you think about it?
          Yes, when the Angara concept was being developed in the late 80s, it seemed justified. What seemed easier? Tie yourself with a bunch of sausages at the first stage and only change their number depending on the weight of the PN. This is how the idea of ​​URM appeared. Moreover, 1 URM was supposed to be equivalent to one Cosmos-3 or Cyclone-3, 3 URM allowed replacing Zenith, 5 URM - Proton.
          And in general, this idea was justified. Until Musk's nine made the first propulsion landing.
          From that moment on, the idea with the URM turned into a dummy.
          Instead of the advantages of the concept, a huge number of disadvantages were revealed.
          The economic gain of modularity was not significant. For everything burned out in the first and last flight for the whole product. For a real win, it was not even a mass production, but a mass production. Then the concept would be justified.
          In the meantime, it is essentially a dead-end branch. This has been proven by flights of the same Delta-4, which is slightly less than the Space Shuttle at a launch price.
          Falcon Heavy? Modularity too? Basically. But there is still no URM. There are the first steps of the nine. And they are reusable. This is the crux of the difference.
          Mass production can be conditionally considered after reaching the milestone of about 500 items per year. Do you need this RK? No. Even if you add 5 URMs to the product, and by some miracle there are as many as 30 launches per year, you will never reach the 500 bar.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 14 December 2020 12: 58
            +4
            There is no need for such a number of launches and such a number of PNs for either the military or civilians.
            That is why Angara, an environmentally friendly product, turned out to be unclaimed already at the stage of completion. For 3 times more expensive than the same Proton. And there are no prerequisites for reducing the price. For there will be not only mass character, but also serial character.
            The 6-year break is understandable. In addition to moving to Omsk, the decision of the military also influenced the date. Who categorically refused the Angara of the first launch, because the PN did not match the declared one. They have been remodeling for 6 years, which has succeeded - covered in darkness. Because RN left again practically without PN. It was necessary to report urgently only for the launch.
            Abroad Angara is not competitive a priori, in the civil sector of Russia it is the same. Let's see if the military will accept.
            So there is no smell of progress here.
            They simply had to carry a suitcase without a handle to the carriage.
      2. slipped
        slipped 14 December 2020 13: 55
        +4
        Quote: Cosm22
        The fact that it flew is good news. I am objective, well done, that the launch took place. Even without PN as a matter of fact.
        As for the civilians, you can not explain - which ones? Which civilians will be happy to have this miracle? How and in which specific civil sector it can be built?


        The Angara-A5 rocket is replacing the Proton-M rocket. Therefore, all civilian payloads over 20 tons for low-Earth and three and a half tons for geostationary, will be displayed by this carrier, including heavy scientific vehicles. For example, the Spectr-UV Astrophysical Observatory, which is scheduled to launch on October 23, 2025.

        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 14 December 2020 15: 34
          +3
          I am glad that you are talking about civic work in the plural.
          Can you give more examples of Russian civilian PNs besides Spectra-UF, which are waiting in line today to withdraw their 20 tons to LEO? "Eagle" the fifth "Angara" in this modification will not pull, "Angara-A5P", as you know, does not yet exist in nature.
          By the way, the announced withdrawal date of 2025 is already taking into account our traditional shifts to the right? Or will Spectrum follow the beaten track of the Science module?
          And the main question - how much will the launch be?
          1. slipped
            slipped 14 December 2020 16: 46
            +4
            Quote: Cosm22
            I am glad that you are talking about civic work in the plural.


            We have not so many loads left under the Proton-M launch vehicle. Only those that were previously designed for launch on this rocket.

            Quote: Cosm22
            Can you give more examples of Russian civilian PNs besides Spectra-UF, which are waiting in line today to withdraw their 20 tons to LEO?


            Now launches of civilian heavy vehicles, including interplanetary ones, are carried out on the Proton-M rocket from the Baikonur cosmodrome. There are about a dozen launches in the queue until 2025.

            The military stopped using this rocket in their launches. Therefore, in flight design tests, before the start of mass production from 2023, a military payload from the Plesetsk cosmodrome and a South Korean commercial satellite on a light carrier will be launched on the Angara rocket.

            In general, the A5 is expected to launch under the Sphere program.

            Quote: Cosm22
            "Eagle" the fifth "Angara" in this modification will not pull, "Angara-A5P", as you know, does not yet exist in nature.


            The A5P rocket is an A5 rocket with RD-191M engines, which have passed a series of fire tests and will be installed on a carrier when launched from Vostochny in 2023.

            Quote: Cosm22
            By the way, the announced withdrawal date of 2025 is already taking into account our traditional shifts to the right?


            I announced the launch date above. Japan has recently joined the project.

            Quote: Cosm22
            Or will Spectrum follow the beaten track of the Science module?


            The Science module will be ready to launch in April and will be launched either in April or mid-July this year. As the State Commission decides.

            Quote: Cosm22
            And the main question - how much will the launch be?


            At the moment, the cost of the contract for four A5 missiles within the LKI is known, it is 18 billion rubles.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2020 13: 58
        0
        At least the Angara already has something to load 620 satellites of the Sphere for years to come.
    2. astepanov
      astepanov 14 December 2020 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: Borz
      The good news

      Can you clarify specifically - what is good news? Well, they repeated the launch six years ago, again launching a mass-dimensional model instead of a payload. What is the achievement? What is the advantage over the reliable and cheap Proton? No, I am not saying that there is no benefit - but what is it, can anyone say clearly?
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 14 December 2020 11: 37
        +1
        I ask the same question - where now to attach this miracle?
        If it, of course, completes the test program?
      2. Borz
        Borz 14 December 2020 12: 01
        +2
        Well, I won't talk about the prestige of the country. Yes, they repeated the launch, yes, without a payload ... But in any case, this is a forward movement. Again, we do not know what technologies could be worked out in this product. So everything is in the cashier, in the piggy bank.
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 14 December 2020 12: 08
          -1
          Quote: Borz
          Yes, they repeated the launch, yes, without a payload ... But in any case, this is a forward movement.

          Do you suppose? In this situation, it is more like walking in place: there is sweat, puffing - too, and there is no progress. In your opinion, does the prestige of the country grow from this? How exactly is the result expressed? Look, the Japanese brought the soil from the asteroid, flew two more. This is a concrete result. Musk launched a seven-ton communications satellite using a reusable rocket. This is also a result. Is there anything like that?
          1. Borz
            Borz 14 December 2020 12: 24
            +3
            From this angle, yes, walking is in place. But not regression, anyway. The space industry, I agree, is not in the best position today. The country is under tough sanctions. The failure of the 90s affects, the development of new technologies is difficult, it costs colossal funds. Another thing, it would be wise to focus on one project, to bring to mind. Do not dissipate funds and power on deliberately losing developments.
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 14 December 2020 13: 10
              -1
              Quote: Borz
              Another thing, it would be wise to focus on one project, to bring to mind. Do not dissipate funds and power on deliberately losing developments.
              Previously, it was possible, but now it is no longer possible. Falling out of cross-border economic chains due to sanctions means that at least some, but now you have to do everything.
              1. Borz
                Borz 14 December 2020 13: 32
                +3
                Alas, yes. But correctly prioritized directions and tasks .... And the main thing is the goal. What do we want? Possess the entire range of launch vehicles? Dominate long-distance expeditions? Possess the most powerful orbital group? Lunar program? Etc. There are many questions and directions.
            2. Cosm22
              Cosm22 14 December 2020 14: 14
              +2
              That's it!
              That's it!
              That's what I'm talking about. About how not to dissipate funds and capacities on obviously losing developments. What is and, without a doubt, Angara.
              Was it possible, after the first successful landing of the Musk stage, to understand what the future lies with such technologies? That it is not too late to wind up an unnecessary project and start more promising development?
              It could be. But not in Russia with its bulky and clumsy RK.
              And reusability would not have pulled RK. New ideas ... new technologies ... new equipment ... Why? It is easier to roll on a knurled one, to torture a project that has been soiled to the state of oiled paper for a quarter of a century. It's easier. Yes, and those shots that are still left, even though they will not scatter.
              But what is the bottom line?
              And the result is disappointing. Let's even assume that the military will accept the product (if they order it, they will pick it up, where to go?). Let us assume that the interval between each of the remaining 4-6 test launches will not be 6 years, but six months (the next Angara is predicted to fly in June).
              Can you imagine where the world cosmonautics will go during this time? And what will be the launch prices? Not on the launch vehicle, as in the case of Russia, but on launch?
              And if the Starship does fly (I'm a skeptic by nature)?
              1. Borz
                Borz 14 December 2020 14: 50
                0
                Yes, the Republic of Kazakhstan will not pull, in its current state, new developments, there are no truly innovative developments (at least we do not know about them). But the industry needs to be supported. We need regular launches. Do you propose to stop launches and start reforms in the industry?
                1. Cosm22
                  Cosm22 14 December 2020 15: 13
                  +2
                  Now I'm not offering anything.
                  Now I am simply stating the fact that it is too late to change anything.
                  It remains to roll on the knurled one, to upgrade something ...
                  The train left.
                  The Second Union will collect crumbs from OneWeb (if the project does not fail again), Angara, if it is brought to mind and finally accepted by the military, will push something for military purposes, without bringing a penny to the budget, there will be information noise around the fifth Union, perhaps, instead of the plastic model of the KK Orel, a metal model will be made ...
                  By and large - everything ...
                  The prospects for its own OS are very vague and so far akin to Rogozin's fantasies about lunar bases.
                  1. Borz
                    Borz 14 December 2020 15: 23
                    -1
                    So what am I talking about ?! We did not stop, but we roll on the knurled one. Let Angara supply the orbital constellation with satellites, since without reliable defense there will be NO developments. And let other industries replenish the budget at this (!) Stage. Bucephalus won't take out two!
                2. astepanov
                  astepanov 14 December 2020 16: 53
                  -4
                  Quote: Borz
                  there are no truly innovative developments (at least we do not know about them).

                  Well, why: there is a nuclear power plant of a megawatt class (NPPU). A most beautiful project that promised leadership in deep space exploration. Work on the creation of the installation began in 2009, the initial planned completion date is 2018. Flight tests were going to take place in the 2020s. And then - as always: By 2030, life tests should be completed and flight tests of the device are planned.
                  In an interview with Rogozin, published on May 27, it was announced that KB "Arsenal" and the Keldysh Center continue work on a nuclear space tug. In a TASS report dedicated to this interview, the next planned date for the launch of a space tractor with a nuclear power plant is announced - 2030. I think that this rubber will last for another fifty years, and then it will burst as unnecessary - competitors will bypass it again.
                  1. Kart
                    Kart 15 December 2020 09: 06
                    0
                    There are no competitors.
                    The Americans closed their program long ago. China was not even taken - it is too difficult to copy.
                    1. astepanov
                      astepanov 15 December 2020 10: 34
                      +1
                      Quote: Carte
                      The Americans closed their program long ago.

                      They never started it. For the same reason, the Chinese have nothing to copy. You are very confusing something.
                      1. Kart
                        Kart 15 December 2020 10: 36
                        +1
                        But why?
                        In the 60s, in my opinion, they started, and until the 2000s they did something there on the topic of a nuclear engine. Even prototypes were tested, only unsuccessfully.
                      2. astepanov
                        astepanov 15 December 2020 11: 45
                        0
                        It's yours. Then work was carried out on the engine with heating the working fluid in the reactor. And now we are talking about a reactor, which is paired with a megawatt generator of electricity, and from that a powerful ion engine is powered. This is a fundamentally different system, designed only for operation in space, but with many years of continuous operation.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 14: 58
            -1
            Quote: Borz
            Failure of the 90s affects

            What a failure? In the 90s, the RD-180 engines could be built for the Americans. And then they drove them while they developed new developments, abandoning shuttles. We were earning currency, and smart people warned us that they would bypass us at the turn. And so it turned out. Where is this currency from imported tourists? Popovkin stole, or what?
            1. Borz
              Borz 14 December 2020 15: 08
              +1
              Well, engines alone won't get you far. The money was needed for the survival of the entire industry. We can now argue to the point of hoarseness, but the 90s left such a scar on the entire economy in general and on the space industry in particular. The Americans took advantage of this. Yes, they went around the corner, but did not push it. And "smart people" (by the way, do not know who they are?) Also stuffed this currency into their pockets
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 15: 25
                -3
                Quote: Borz
                The money was needed for the survival of the entire industry.

                This question should be asked to the prosecutor, who approved the decision that the Americans make the RD-180 in our country. Such decisions are made only with the approval of senior management. Who was the prime minister there in 96? Chernomyrdin? Yeltsin hurried in advance? Voloshin? The contract is classified. And they sold well.
                Quote: Borz
                And "not stupid people" (by the way, do you know who they are?)

                I do not remember. There was an interview with someone in the AIF. When we started to carry Americans. And the question was asked whether they would get ahead of us while we were working as taxi drivers on the ISS for them. There was such a thought.
                1. Borz
                  Borz 14 December 2020 15: 38
                  +2
                  "This question should be asked to the prosecutor"

                  Yes, I would ask ... but it was the 90s. A huge country on the edge of an abyss, rampant democracy. The kingdom of the dollar.
                  So you yourself have confirmed my statements, the power in the 90s is a betrayal. We stumbled so far that we still cannot align the step
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 15: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Borz
                    So you yourself have confirmed my statements, the power in the 90s is the essence of betrayal.

                    They all do not live in poverty. And not traitors, but perestroika.
    3. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 14: 04
      +8
      Quote: astepanov
      What is the achievement?


      A rocket was launched, already produced at a new serial plant.

      Quote: astepanov
      What is the advantage over the reliable and cheap Proton?


      1. Kazakhstan has banned the launch of Proton rockets from its territory since 2025. UK will be mothballed.
      2. The Proton-M LV has about a dozen launches left. The production of engines for this rocket has been discontinued - replacement with new RD-191 (M) engines for the Angara spacecraft is underway.
      3. KRK "Angara" is a family of environmentally friendly missiles, unlike the "Proton-M". which uses heptyl as fuel.
      4. The cost of the A5 rocket in serial production will decrease. Already now the cost of the rocket contract is comparable to the cost of services for the launch of the Proton-M LV.
  • Eragon
    Eragon 14 December 2020 10: 22
    +10
    Well, thank God. Not only project plans, but also something real. And Rogozin personally: Yeah, it flies. Contrary to theft, slovenliness and other mess. And, something tells, Dmitry Olegovich, not thanks to you.
    Successful further starts!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 14 December 2020 10: 35
      +5
      And, something tells, Dmitry Olegovich, not thanks to you.
      Successful further starts!

      The question arises - why do we need Roscosmos? If the warriors fly so it is already surprising to some. Can the warriors give this money? Shoigu is not Rogozin - you will not spoil.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 14 December 2020 10: 52
        -8
        Quote: NDR-791
        If the warriors fly so it is already surprising to some.

        Maybe this is not surprise, but indignation? Actually, with a pause of six years, and even the output of a mass-dimensional model instead of a payload, it looks somehow strange. It seems that there is no particular need for this rocket. "Proton", of course, is considered environmentally dirty - but with such a frequency of launches, dirt can only be discussed conditionally. But on the other hand, it has a well-developed design and relative cheapness with practically the same carrying capacity as that of the "Angara". So was it worth building a garden?
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 14 December 2020 10: 56
          +4
          If the Americans completely abandon the ISS due to obsolescence, they may have to build their own (well, maybe along with the same China). A heavy truck would be useful there. And so you will not say anything - for a long time of course. And nothing, I've been building a house for three years wassat and he is simpler than a rocket in any way, and I am not Shoigu fool
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 11: 34
          +2
          so many questions ... would you read why Angara started doing it)
      2. Boris Chernikov
        Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 11: 33
        -5
        And thanks to whom? Following your logic, "we won the war, although Stalin interfered, Russia is now developing in spite of Putin since 99" .. You can find out what Rogozin has been screwing up since 2018?
        1. Eragon
          Eragon 14 December 2020 16: 20
          -2
          Quote: Boris Chernikov
          And thanks to whom? Following your logic, "we won the war, although Stalin interfered, Russia is now developing in spite of Putin since 99" .. You can find out what Rogozin has been screwing up since 2018?

          From 1990 to 1999, it was plundered by Yeltsin and his gang. No development.
          1. Boris Chernikov
            Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 17: 12
            -1
            in fact there is something to argue then? otherwise it turns out that the best way to create an "effective enterprise" is to remove the management laughing
      3. Roman070280
        Roman070280 14 December 2020 12: 07
        -2
        Shoigu is not Rogozin - you will not spoil.

        Funny phrase ..))
        Like they are not of the same berry field ..
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    2. Boris ⁣ Shaver
      Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 December 2020 10: 46
      +9
      Quote: Eragon
      Despite theft, slovenliness and other mess

      Someone may understand it this way: "So, nothing terrible. It means that a villa can be built and the remaining money for a flying rocket will be enough. We are excellent managers! We just had to make these lazy people work for food. Keep it up, gentlemen!"
    3. freejack
      freejack 14 December 2020 11: 19
      0
      Quote: Eragon
      Yeah, it flies. ... Dmitry Olegovich, not thanks to you.

      Thank you, dear Dmitry Olegovich, for the work done to you and the whole team! Keep it up and new "space" victories !!! hi
      The Soviet backlog is over. :( A lot of brains flowed to the west .. :( I had to do a lot from scratch and you did it! hi
      PS Pay no attention to our sofa experts. they cannot forgive you for your success, but in general there are lovely guys here and in their hearts they respect you very much. laughing
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 14 December 2020 11: 26
        +1
        ... but in general there are lovely guys and in their hearts they respect you very much.
        Yeah, but from the songs we drag along and even sing along sometimes wassat
      2. astepanov
        astepanov 14 December 2020 11: 37
        +2
        Quote: freejack
        I had to do a lot from scratch and you did it!

        What did you manage? What's "done from scratch"? A lot of pathos, but little specifics. The USSR sent spacecraft to Mars, Venus, the Moon, Halley's comet, created a fleet of currently operated rockets, plus the record-breaking Energia, plus Buran ... Tell us what comparable Roscosmos did from scratch.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 12: 04
        0
        Quote: freejack
        but in general there are lovely guys and in their hearts they respect you very much.

        Yeah. Your picture on your avatar is enough to express all your respect to Dmitry Olegovich in one word. laughing
        1. freejack
          freejack 14 December 2020 12: 21
          +4
          in one word, to express all my respect to Dmitry Olegovich.

          You, my dear, one of the leading sofa specialists, know everything about him and about the industry. From your point of view, everything is bad everywhere, especially in space .... This is a common place for local divas. experts ...
          Would you be able to indicate the name of the person you would like to see in his place, so that "it's kind of cool, like a mask flooded" with this funding? wink
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 12: 32
            -1
            Quote: freejack
            with this funding ?.

            Rogozin personally has excellent funding. Much more than the Queen's, just compare their properties. And more than the head of NASA. Well-known facts.
            Quote: freejack
            And you would not be able to indicate the name of the one whom you would like to see in his place, so that "it's kind of cool, like a mask flooded"

            I can not. I don't see them in our leadership. The same deck is shuffled. And they attach their sons.
            1. freejack
              freejack 14 December 2020 13: 36
              +2
              Rogozin has excellent funding. Much more than the Queen

              It is necessary to stop mourning the Korolevs, Stalins, Lenins and others Trotsky! ... They are not. They were great and mighty, but .... Now is a different era, a different formation, a different political system. Rogozin has a huge salary.
              And other ministers and high-ranking officials - no less.
              Aren't you tired of the last years of whistling the same pipe? Can you change something in this situation? now is the time of the ruling oligarchy with all that it implies.
              The greater the value of such flights! good
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 14: 04
                -1
                Quote: freejack
                Aren't you tired of the last years of whistling the same pipe?

                Not tired. When the salary of the management differs from the salary of ordinary employees not two or three times, as in the USSR, but tens and hundreds of times, it is surprising how something flies in general. And Rogozin understands this. Fuck, he will go to build rockets as an ordinary employee. Therefore, there is no development, like Musk, for example. It is enough to compare the salaries of their engineers and ours. Have our leaders not become insolent? There was a similar situation before the revolution. Read Pavka Korchagin, how much the laundress received, for example. And the princes of ballerinas sprinkled diamonds. I worked in kindergarten, ask about their salaries. And they bring up our children.
                Quote: freejack
                The greater the value of such flights!

                And I don't argue with that. The value is off scale. While others make it cheaper.
                The Indians will soon overtake us in space.
                1. astepanov
                  astepanov 14 December 2020 22: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  And Rogozin understands this. Fuck, he will go to build rockets as an ordinary employee.

                  It would be more accurate to say - hell they will take him to build rockets as an ordinary employee. Due to his incompetence in practical matters. Moreover, not one of Rogozin's ardent defenders here dared to answer the question that I asked many times: how did Mr. Rogozin, with his journalistic education, not even a day in technical sciences, become a doctor of technical sciences. After that, let someone say that he is not a sneak and not a rogue.
      4. Letun
        Letun 14 December 2020 13: 27
        -1
        Quote: freejack
        Pay no attention to our sofa experts. they cannot forgive you for your success

        Personally, I have such success, with a complete lack of talent, and, frankly, mediocrity, raises very big questions. Chubais is out too, even more successful than Rogozin ...
        1. freejack
          freejack 14 December 2020 14: 17
          -1
          Chubais won, too, even more successful than Rogozin

          Yes! I waited a long time for Anatoly BorisYch to be remembered ... laughing laughing laughing
          It is worth praising Rogozin - the whole swamp of effective liberoid officials will stir up!
          He has something to do with it ??? Everything! It was drained, flyer! Following his colleagues (Serdyukov, Mutko, etc. Medvedevs) he is leading something so interesting and dissolving slowly but surely ... hi
        2. freejack
          freejack 14 December 2020 14: 19
          +1
          It was drained, flyer!

          Sorry, Лetun! Typo! (
    4. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 14 December 2020 13: 16
      +5
      Quote: Eragon
      Contrary to theft, slovenliness and other mess. And, something tells, Dmitry Olegovich, not thanks to you.

      What a hypocrite you are. As failures, as well as Rogozin is to blame, and as good news, so Rogozin is not in business.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 14 December 2020 10: 22
    -2
    damn it, it’s not all that it’s been cut, but it’s still there, and thanks for that good
    1. Kart
      Kart 14 December 2020 10: 59
      +3
      We saw it on the Internet. Of course, what was sawed there and how many know only there.
      And of course, all this flew strictly contrary to the mode. It was the people who collected rockets for food, in secret from the authorities, in dark basements - and now it flew.
      The oligarchs were understandably surprised - and now they want to take it away from the people.
      Not allowed! Let's disperse Roskosmos and Rogozin personally. Then the gardens will bloom on Mars immediately.
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 December 2020 11: 15
        +5
        Quote: Carte
        We saw it on the Internet. Of course, what was sawed there and how many know only there.

        If you do not follow what is happening, then why do you undertake to comment on it? I do not understand.
        On the same "Vostochny", everyone has access to the comments of officials on the progress of the investigation, which give an idea of ​​the "glorious working traditions" in the "household" of the citizen in question. There were works, the full budget for the production of which several times they stole cleanly. And after that, the citizen in question openly dreams of the idea of ​​building something else of that kind. Like the headquarters of "Roskosmos", the appearance according to Freud.
        1. Kart
          Kart 14 December 2020 11: 19
          0
          Is the East being built or not? Under construction.
          How much and who stole there is a separate question. Nothing new.
          But they comment and write all fiercely on the Internet.
          If you believe the sofa experts on Roscosmos, they have stolen 3 times more than there was any money.
          How does it fly? What shishi?
          And, of course, the shouts about "everything stolen" under the news of a successful launch is significant in itself.
          This is about this.
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 14 December 2020 11: 21
            +9
            Quote: Carte
            under construction or not? Under construction

            I have already spoken about the possibility of such a "interpretation" of events in this topic. To some it might seem like a joke. Let them read this comment of yours now.

            Next.

            Quote: Carte
            If you believe the sofa experts on Roscosmos

            Your humble servant was involved in these works at the design and survey stage. From the category of children's pranks (for an easy start) - you can see, for example, the history of legal proceedings between a certain JSC "Ipromashprom" and "Roscosmos" (available on official resources). When the work was actually carried out for 1 ruble, and 3 rubles had to be paid. Because someone made government contracts in such a strange way.

            A sofa expert, in this case, you yourself will understand who.
            1. Kart
              Kart 14 December 2020 11: 40
              +4
              I'm not talking about you, and your competence, I'm sorry, if anything, don't be offended.
              It is about the horde of screamers about "everything is gone."
              Yes, it was stolen. How many and who - the investigation will figure it out.
              But Roskosmos did not die at the same time, and construction and launches continue, albeit not as quickly as you might want.
          2. Paranoid50
            Paranoid50 14 December 2020 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: Carte
            And, of course, the shouts about "everything stolen" under the news of a successful launch is significant in itself.
            This is about this.

            Net philistinism, it is. yes
          3. Cosm22
            Cosm22 14 December 2020 11: 34
            +6
            In fact, it should have started from the East.
            But due to the unprecedented theft at construction, the first launch pad was urgently remade for the second Union (it was easier and less work), because it was necessary to report that at least something had been done so that heads would not fly instead of missiles. That is why Angara was forced to start from a military training ground.
            The site for the Angara is still under construction, it is being completed and it is not known how long it will be completed. It depends on how much they steal again.
        2. Boris Chernikov
          Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 11: 41
          -1
          as well as an attempt to then hang all the dogs on Rogozin .. the Internet .. he is like that .. they love hype
  • Simon schempp
    Simon schempp 14 December 2020 10: 24
    -16%
    Elon Musk nervously lit a cigarette.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 14 December 2020 10: 36
      +5
      He has B1058 - from May 30 to December 6, he successfully flew and sat down 4 times. B1051 and B1049 are already seven times. # 2 in launches after China (using only 8 boosters). And there will be more launches next year. Including 2-3 Havik.

      What is he afraid of Angara A5, which costs 7 billion rubles and is barely produced, in ULA style, like the budget will pay for everything.

      By the way, recently, the Americans launched 3 lard into space (of which 450 are launch vehicles) - and still broadcast.

      With Angara, only tweets so far and 1 photo (all starting from the launch of 2014).
      1. Simon schempp
        Simon schempp 14 December 2020 10: 40
        -9
        With Angara, only tweets so far and 1 photo (all starting from the launch of 2014).

        Well, here, according to the standard, they will answer:
        "This is the defense industry. Take a picture of it. Secretly. So that the spies don't sniff out."
        1. Kart
          Kart 14 December 2020 11: 00
          +2
          Well, what is there.
          Write right away - these are cartoons.
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 14 December 2020 10: 27
    +26
    Congratulations on your success!
    A new rocket is good. good
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 14 December 2020 11: 08
      +4
      Amazing. You are almost the only one who believes in Roscosmos!
      But for the congratulations - sincere gratitude.
      1. zlinn
        zlinn 14 December 2020 11: 54
        +5
        so what does faith have to do with it? flew? - flew, new? - new, is this progress? - progress, is it good? - yes, it's just great! sorry there was no broadcast
      2. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 December 2020 12: 53
        +3
        Soviet / Russian cosmonautics has a lot of experience.
        It will be a shame if it disappears due to underfunding and / or
        other reasons. And the higher the competition in civilian space,
        the better the overall results will be.
    2. fif21
      fif21 14 December 2020 13: 14
      -5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      A new rocket is good.

      What's good for you is bad for us! The annual budget of the RPF took off into space wassat
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2020 10: 29
    +17
    She's flying, damn it !!!
    All the same, they correctly say that sometimes it is better to remain silent. Or, before expressing emotions, think about what you want to say. And so it turns out he himself did not expect to fly.
  • Yrec
    Yrec 14 December 2020 10: 30
    0
    Straight, Hollywood. Rogozin should have added "Wow!" for completeness. They torment "Angara" for a long time, it is evident that "a stone flower does not come out".
    1. Kart
      Kart 14 December 2020 11: 01
      +3
      Who flew? Not this "stone flower" that "doesn't come out"?
      Really cartoons?
  • Boris55
    Boris55 14 December 2020 10: 30
    -4
    I only have three questions. When this figure (Rogozin):
    - Will they make you finish building the Vostochny cosmodrome?
    - when will he be jailed?
    - when will he run away to Miami?
    1. Guru
      Guru 14 December 2020 10: 38
      +1
      I only have three questions. When this figure:
      - Will they make you finish building the Vostochny cosmodrome?
      - when will he be jailed?
      - when will he run away to Miami?

      -Answer -Never forced, it needs more money. If someone is going to finish building it will not be Rogozin for sure.
      -Answer- Never going to jail, Not caught by the hand, Not a thief.
      -Answer- He will never leave for Miami, he is on the sanctions list.
    2. Pilot
      Pilot 14 December 2020 10: 43
      -7
      laughing Boris, it is a shame for a Zaputin not to know the methods of his patron and K. On the second point, only another position a la Serdyukov, Chubais, Mutko, Kiriyenko, etc. The rest of the items disappear by themselves.
  • dgonni
    dgonni 14 December 2020 10: 35
    +2
    Fine. Only Rogozin's phrase seems to hint that he himself is shocked by the fact that she flew
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 11: 25
      0
      Even effective managers couldn't stop it! belay
  • shubin
    shubin 14 December 2020 10: 35
    0
    Even Rogozin was surprised! belay
  • Stranger03
    Stranger03 14 December 2020 10: 37
    +13
    The first rocket R-7 Korolev did not fly immediately either. Of the 30 launches, 20 were successful. If you count so, then a huge amount of money flew down the drain in those days. Angara flew for the first time in the 14th year. And now 6 years later again. While the score is 2: 0. For a very long time, of course, but flew.

    It remains to wish success to our designers. Well, the payload. Hopefully Angara will recover the costs.
    1. Simon schempp
      Simon schempp 14 December 2020 10: 46
      -8
      Hopefully Angara will recover the costs.

      With such prices, it will suck even more money from the budget. Her destiny is satellites for the Ministry of Defense. The state will pay for everything.
      1. sevryuk
        sevryuk 14 December 2020 11: 09
        -4
        Oh, these polymers - they piss them off, piss them off ... but they still don't piss off. Would you give it in the form of a pension or what? crying
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2020 14: 04
        +2
        At the Angara, in general, three modifications are planned for the A5, A5P for launching the manned Oryol into orbit and a heavy modification of the A5B for 38 tons with a new upper stage and first stage engines.
    2. Avior
      Avior 14 December 2020 11: 07
      +3
      The first rocket R-7 Korolev did not fly immediately either.

      She was, as it were, the first in the Union, and not just the Queen.
    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 12: 22
      -2
      Quote: Stranger03
      If you think so, then in those days a huge amount of money flew down the drain.

      Have you seen the Queen's dacha? And Rogozin's huts, who gets more than the head of NASA? Yes, even Leonov, who, together with Titov, received 15 thousand in one flight, crazy money for those times, complained about his poverty, citing the example of American astronauts. But they drank half of this amount in Zvezdnoye.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 December 2020 14: 14
        +7
        Who would not say what, but under Rogozin, the accident rate of launches in two years dropped to zero as a result of improving the work of the corporation as a whole and began to fight with marriage. We are waiting for the launch of the Moon 26 Exomars of satellites Sphere Wing of the SV ship Eagle on the Angara A5P launch of the Irtysh rocket of its methane reusable modification Amur LNG space tug with Nuclear Power Plant Nuclon and the super-heavy Yenisei - work for 10 years in bulk.
    4. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 14: 08
      +3
      Quote: Stranger03
      Angara flew for the first time in the 14th year. And now 6 years later again. While the score is 2: 0. For a very long time, of course, but flew.


      Two more launches next year. The tests continue. And at the plant, meanwhile, a set of tanks was released for the sixth carrier. laughing
  • zwlad
    zwlad 14 December 2020 10: 40
    +5
    Well done! They brought it to mind in spite of everything!
  • Ru_Na
    Ru_Na 14 December 2020 10: 46
    +2
    The fact that she flew was not Rogozin's merit! May God grant that this was not the last launch and our engineers and designers finally managed to bring it to mind.
  • Plastmaster
    Plastmaster 14 December 2020 10: 51
    +2
    Well this is good news.
  • Hog
    Hog 14 December 2020 10: 54
    -5
    Two starts, the achievement is straightforward, a reason to be proud for Rogozin.
    PS: In spite of everything, the start-up was good.
  • Avior
    Avior 14 December 2020 10: 56
    +4
    She's flying, damn it !!!


    laughing
    The fact that the rocket flew is great, but the reaction of the head of Roscosmos still needs work ... smile
  • Diviz
    Diviz 14 December 2020 10: 58
    -8
    Where is the video, where is the reportage. I understand food prices go up once a month at best. But this happens once every 1 years. Only it is not clear which case and whether there is a pattern.
    1. Tsoy
      Tsoy 14 December 2020 11: 12
      +3
      Where is the video where is the reportage


      There are two points. The first is a military spaceport. Secrecy and all that. Second, after the live phrase "it seems there will be a disaster" during the launch from Baikonur, Roscosmos does not really like broadcasts.
      1. Diviz
        Diviz 14 December 2020 11: 51
        -1
        What secrecy? Does this rocket have a nuclear engine? The situation is such that there is an informational skirmish and we are playing it. The video of the launch of the mace and zirconium was posted on the network in hangar 5, which is of greater importance for the country, the video should not be uploaded, you can only listen to it. I will not be surprised then that unexpectedly on ren tv they will tell you that the tug has reached Jupiter but the video will not be shown. And the rhetorical question and were the Amkrikans on the moon will live forever.
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 15 December 2020 19: 29
          0
          I will not be surprised then that unexpectedly on ren tv they will tell you that the tug has reached Jupiter but the video will not be shown
          before ... Alpha Centauri :)
  • faterdom
    faterdom 14 December 2020 10: 59
    +4
    Damn what the hell!
    Well, the devils did it!
    No, a thousand devils!
    Yo-ho-ho - and a bottle of rum!
    Still, there should be some relevance, accuracy and timeliness in the speeches of state officials.
    Humor is welcome, but a little, subtly so, filigree, not like in Ukraine, where they wanted to watch one comedy, and the projectionist, due to the state of his body, turned on another.
    Gorbachev and Khrushchev were swearing people, so to speak, Khokhloma and Gzhel. The result - as they say, "in the beginning there was a word", and then everything came true!
  • Tektor
    Tektor 14 December 2020 10: 59
    +2
    Well, okay ... as far as I understood, the previous hangar did not correspond to the specification for the payload to be withdrawn, and the chief designer was retired. And now the rocket has been reworked, and it was able to lift a regular load in the form of a dimensional mass model.
  • Petio
    Petio 14 December 2020 10: 59
    +6
    Congratulations! A rocket of this class is needed. Proton is not eternal
    1. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 14: 54
      +5
      Quote: Petio
      Congratulations! A rocket of this class is needed. Proton is not eternal


      Meanwhile: on December 10, Roskosmos signed a contract worth over 20 billion rubles for the creation of an oxygen-hydrogen upper stage KBTK for the A5, A5M, A5V launch vehicles. Which will significantly increase the carrying capacity of these missiles.



      In the course of the work, which is planned to be completed by December 2025, it is planned to make models and prototypes, as well as conduct their tests.

      Previously, the plant produced 12 KRB oxygen-hydrogen units for the Indian GSLV rocket.

      1. Garris199
        Garris199 15 December 2020 23: 43
        0
        I don’t believe in these terms for a long time. Where 2025 is there and the 27th and 30th. While we will increase the carrying capacity of the far from advanced Angara, orbital aircraft will begin to take off from the airports, like some charters to a resort.
        1. slipped
          slipped 16 December 2020 00: 35
          +2
          Quote: Garris199
          I do not believe in these terms for a long time.


          In fact, two RB 14S48 for A5 based on DM-03 have already been made and delivered to Plesetsk. The next third launch will take place with just such a unit, which will already increase the carrying capacity. Not significant, but sufficient for modern satellites at the moment.

          Quote: Garris199
          While we will increase the carrying capacity of the far from advanced Angara,


          Who told you that she was "not advanced"? At the moment it is the most technically advanced rocket in Russia. When launched from 2023 from Vostochny, it will be able to deliver 27 tons to LEO, and without KBTK. And in the A5B version - 37 tons.

          Quote: Garris199
          already orbital planes will start flying out of airports, like any charters to a resort.


          The closest ready-made suborbital (about 100 km flight altitude) manned spacecraft from Virgin Galaxies still cannot start flights with passengers. Something is constantly interfering. laughing
          1. Garris199
            Garris199 16 December 2020 02: 03
            0
            Quote: slipped
            At the moment - the most technically advanced rocket in Russia
            ... And what is its perfection? Is that the mass of the withdrawn PN by crumbs more (with a starting mass of + 70t) than that of the Proton, created half a century ago? The Proton is a perfect rocket ahead of its time, while Angara is still a middling one, surpassing its predecessor so far only in terms of fuel efficiency. Yes, someday there will be KVTK, which will finally give this rocket "interesting". The only question is - when? And if it is not possible to make the cost of launching interest at least 20% lower than that of the Proton, then we can assume that the technical perfection of the product did not take place. The product will, of course, remain as a "state rocket" in order to keep Russia in principle able to carry out its necessary space programs, but nothing more.
            PS I sincerely congratulate everyone involved in the creation and launch. I am glad that the work of these people was not in vain.
            1. slipped
              slipped 16 December 2020 02: 59
              +2
              Quote: Garris199
              And what is its perfection?


              Manufacturing, assembly, maintenance, unmanned start, perfect control system .... environmental friendliness, modularity.

              Quote: Garris199
              Is that the mass of the withdrawn PN by crumbs more (with a starting mass of + 70t) than that of the Proton, created half a century ago?


              The analogue launch vehicle "Proton-K", created half a century ago, did not deliver even 20 tons to LEO. Only its last modification in the 22s was able to withdraw just over XNUMX tons. The digital "Proton-M" would initially be optimized for launching commercial vehicles to the GSO.

              As for the 24,5 tons for the base A5 from Plesetsk, I wrote above - there will be 27 tons from the Vostochny, which is 4,5 tons more than the Proton-M from Baikonur and this is by no means crumbs.

              Quote: Garris199
              The Proton is a perfect rocket ahead of its time, while Angara is still a middling one, surpassing its predecessor so far only in terms of fuel efficiency.


              Wrong. I wrote the difference above. Angara is a missile system of various types of missiles. Don't get hung up on the basic A5. laughing In 2023, A5P flies with the Orel NPP, in 2024 A5M, in 2026 - A5V.

              Quote: Garris199
              Yes, someday there will be KVTK, which will finally give this rocket "interesting". The only question is - when?


              KBTK is not an end in itself, but only a means. By the end of the current FKP will be done.

              Quote: Garris199
              And if it is not possible to make the cost of launching interest at least 20% lower than that of the Proton, then we can assume that the technical perfection of the product did not take place.


              We have already managed to make launch services like the commercial Proton-M. And this is not on a serial, but on a test product. In the series, the cost will be even cheaper.

              Quote: Garris199
              The product will, of course, remain as a "state rocket" in order to keep Russia in principle able to carry out its necessary space programs, but nothing more.


              In addition to the Angara spacecraft, we are building a purely commercial Soyuz-5 rocket with a low and competitive cost of launching up to 6 tons of launch vehicles to the GPO. The Baiterek JV will be engaged in the sale of launch services. The first launch is in 2023.
  • sustav75
    sustav75 14 December 2020 11: 05
    0
    Why then so many smut with the "eastern"! If "Angara" leaves Plesetsk normally! As if it was not, but nice news! It is a pity that it only delivers the layouts.
    1. Kart
      Kart 14 December 2020 11: 10
      +8
      Because two spaceports are better than one.
      Because Vostochny is located much south of Plesetsk, which means that the payload is greater (it would be best of all from the equator).
  • Lycan
    Lycan 14 December 2020 11: 08
    +1
    Of course, you can sarcast, but it's great that it flew (only where is the video report?).
    As the saying goes: Better quietly, yes forward than soon, yes back.
    1. Lycan
      Lycan 14 December 2020 12: 55
      +1
      www.vesti.ru/article/2498455
  • Romario_R
    Romario_R 14 December 2020 11: 09
    +2
    Thanks to the creators of the rocket, everyone, from the locksmith to the chief designer. I do not know the scale of Rogozin's participation in this project. But it would be better if he was silent ...
    1. Nikolaevich I
      Nikolaevich I 14 December 2020 11: 28
      -2
      Quote: Romario_R
      I do not know the scale of Rogozin's participation in this project.

      Well, of course! He explains to us sensibly, why in space it is heeling!
      1. Kart
        Kart 14 December 2020 11: 45
        +6
        He runs the Roscosmos corporation.
        Don't you think, about the principle of young Internet screamers, that it is only to chat in the camera and go to resorts?
        Or how - if an accident, then Rogozin is personally to blame, and if luck, then he has nothing to do with it?
  • Tsoy
    Tsoy 14 December 2020 11: 14
    -5
    It's good that without an emergency and that everything went smoothly, but the rocket was 15 years late with this flight at least XNUMX years. Now we hope that the lng union will not become so long-term.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 14 December 2020 11: 41
    +1
    Quote: Boris55
    I only have three questions. When this figure (Rogozin):
    - Will they make you finish building the Vostochny cosmodrome?
    - when will he be jailed?
    - when will he run away to Miami?

    How bloodthirsty you are! To avoid criminal activity, Rogozin's next flight can be launched into a long-term flight into orbit. So that he shouts with every turn: "she flies, damn it!". This would prove that the rocket is capable of taking on board anything and, moreover, would look like a psychological attack on ill-wishers.
  • Kent0001
    Kent0001 14 December 2020 12: 43
    -1
    And what will the members of the sect say to them about this. Elon Musk?
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 14 December 2020 13: 30
      +2
      They asked - we answer: this rocket will not make any competition for the Musk company. It will fly once (at best, a couple) a year, fulfilling defense orders. It cannot offer a competitive price in the market, and even if it could - since 2023, sanctions against space services using Russian technologies come into force (which is not directly related to Musk, but will affect the industry as a whole).

      This, of course, does not negate the fact that the launch of the Angara is an objective success with which we can all be congratulated.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 14 December 2020 12: 51
    -1
    Roscosmos head Dmitry Rogozin confirmed the successful launch of the heavy Angara-A5. She's flying, damn it !!!
    It is he rather from surprise - the phrase most likely sounded- She flies, damn it ?? !!!
  • Crabio
    Crabio 14 December 2020 12: 58
    +8
    I don't understand this wave of negative posts of the same type. As far as I know, the rocket was assembled in Moscow in 2014, and the one that flew today is the result of the transfer of production to Omsk. Apparently, it will be cheaper there. The transfer of production within five years with a final positive result, especially of such a complex product as the newest and not yet "tested" rocket, is normal. Especially considering what five years it has been. Not the easiest ones, at least. Anyone familiar with production will confirm that it is a hell of a job to move production to another site, a huge number of small, medium and large problems that need to be solved. And all this was done. This is not something out of the ordinary, but it is not easy. It's very difficult.
    The rocket assembled at the new production site successfully flew. It is perfectly. Good foundation to continue.
    Instead of negative, I would congratulate all those involved in the production and launch of the Angara. These are people worthy of respect who have done a difficult and responsible job.
    And I am very happy for them.
    1. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 20: 45
      +3
      Quote: Crabio
      As far as I know, the rocket was assembled in Moscow in 2014, and the one that flew today is the result of the transfer of production to Omsk. Apparently, it will be cheaper there.


      Reduced the cost by three times. New production:





  • boriz
    boriz 14 December 2020 13: 12
    -5
    She's flying, damn it !!!

    Once every six years, it cannot be considered "flies."
  • Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 14 December 2020 13: 12
    0
    And, why the heck a layout, it would be useful to load it with something. Troll the mask, also launch some 2 ton bear, or balalaika)
    1. Kart
      Kart 15 December 2020 09: 12
      +1
      We will not be told what kind of "balalaika" flew away.
      And what's next with it - will it really hang out on the geo-orbit?
  • Kushka
    Kushka 14 December 2020 13: 39
    +1
    He involuntarily escaped
    On the road, the driver turns the handle violently and does the same
    swears furiously. Father walked by and became
    scold him for swearing and failing to ask
    help from God. He said that if so smart,
    try it yourself. Father rolled up his cassock, crossed himself
    and with the words "God help" spun .... and started!
    "Not ........ yourself!" burst out from him.
  • Klingon
    Klingon 14 December 2020 14: 15
    -1
    Quote: Carte
    We saw it on the Internet. Of course, what was sawed there and how many know only there.
    And of course, all this flew strictly contrary to the mode. It was the people who collected rockets for food, in secret from the authorities, in dark basements - and now it flew.
    The oligarchs were understandably surprised - and now they want to take it away from the people.
    Not allowed! Let's disperse Roskosmos and Rogozin personally. Then the gardens will bloom on Mars immediately.

    and you, Patriyot, I see sarcasm do not understand at all, it’s probably hard for such a gloomy person to live wassat
    1. Kart
      Kart 15 December 2020 09: 15
      -1
      Are you crying from the word patriot?
      The mourners got it. They flap their wings, create a negative information background for any reason and for no reason.
      1. Intruder
        Intruder 15 December 2020 19: 28
        0
        They flap their wings, create a negative information background for any reason and for no reason.
        and it is for someone here, it causes a toothache .., or something worse and lower back !? :)))
  • Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 14 December 2020 16: 46
    +2
    Devils are part of the conquerors ... Moon from NASA, and we have God to help!
  • Laksamana besar
    Laksamana besar 14 December 2020 17: 00
    +4
    On Sunday, December 20 at 09:55 there will be a release of "Military Acceptance - Angara-A5":
  • 7,62x54
    7,62x54 14 December 2020 17: 00
    -4
    As I did not fill up the work, but flew to spite Rogozin.
  • UAZ 452
    UAZ 452 14 December 2020 20: 01
    -5
    It seemed to me alone that Rogozin was simply amazed by the fact that Angara flies?
    1. slipped
      slipped 14 December 2020 20: 55
      +2
      Quote: UAZ 452
      It seemed to me alone


      It is necessary to cross. laughing And Rogozin is just kidding.
  • senima56
    senima56 14 December 2020 20: 19
    +3
    We finally waited! good Hooray! drinks
  • bolt
    bolt 14 December 2020 20: 23
    +1
    ... Upper stage "Briz-M" put a mock-up of the satellite into the calculated geostationary orbit, the Department of Information and Mass Communications of the Ministry of Defense said.
    The Breeze-M, in conjunction with the payload mockup, separated from the third stage of the Angara-A5 heavy rocket 12 minutes after its launch from the Plesetsk cosmodrome in the Arkhangelsk region ...

    https://ria.ru/20201214/angara-1589191639.html

    Congratulations to everyone in the industry!

    # Rogozinrulit # in spite of all local and non-local "buffoons"!
    1. Kart
      Kart 15 December 2020 09: 31
      0
      They cry in unison here that:
      1. This is a failure, run a little.
      2. Everything is strictly contrary to Rogozin and the authorities in general
      3. This all got from the USSR to greedy oligarchs.
  • Alanart
    Alanart 14 December 2020 20: 37
    +1
    What is characteristic, at the moment it does not fly, it falls, but since it moves from the first space, it does not succeed, even Rogozin with devils is powerless here;)
    1. Kart
      Kart 15 December 2020 09: 29
      -1
      What is characteristic - the technology that you are trying to use is called "Creating a negative information background".
      How does it work?
      It is necessary in any news where there is the word Russia, and some keywords, for example, space, it is necessary to write negative epithets in one sentence. For example, it does not fly, but falls, like yours. Rogozin is devils, and so on.
      It’s like a joke, but gradually stable constructions between Russia and bad are formed in the minds of the readers.
      1. Alanart
        Alanart 15 December 2020 14: 07
        +2
        You know. As the famous anecdote says, sometimes a banana is just a banana.
      2. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 15 December 2020 14: 20
        +1
        what the hell is negative technology in this joke? a person from the point of view of physics, he said everything correctly, she really falls, I understood him and appreciated the joke .. And you even see the intrigues of "Russia's enemies" in such a phrase .. Stepan, this is some sort of "witch hunt" - sometimes a joke is just a joke ..
        and yes .. and there are also technologies of a positive information background, by the way, where does this awareness of manipulation of public consciousness come from? You actually broadcast in such a way .. manipulate? there is still not an explosion, but cotton .. not a fall, but a negative growth, etc. from manipulators from news services ..
        only the point is that manipulations, neither negative nor positive, do not relate to truth and facts, this is an attempt to deceive people ..
        1. Kart
          Kart 15 December 2020 14: 31
          +2
          Manipulation in a positive way, to build, always better than the opposite, to destroy.
          At least in the case when it comes to the country in which you live.
          Is not it?
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 15 December 2020 14: 49
            +1
            That is, you justify lying and manipulating people if it seems to you that this is for the good of the country? By the way, not about you, of course, but just by the way, Goebbels, surely thought that he was acting for the good of Germany with his propaganda ... Do you understand the difference? hi
  • Petrik66
    Petrik66 15 December 2020 09: 30
    0
    Judging by the post, he was surprised himself.
  • Andre___86
    Andre___86 15 December 2020 10: 54
    0
    I was probably surprised myself))
  • Igor Borisov_2
    Igor Borisov_2 15 December 2020 11: 04
    0
    And I’m wondering - what will happen with the displayed layout? Will it join the space debris hanging out in orbit? Or is there a possibility of its flooding?
    1. Alanart
      Alanart 15 December 2020 14: 11
      +1
      At the hour "H 'of the day" D', he will begin to transform the satellites of a potential enemy into mass-dimensional models;)
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 15 December 2020 16: 57
    0
    Despite all the "efforts" of Dima Rogozin, the rocket still flew. Am I the only one pissed off by this fat, chatty and rather counterproductive hog?
  • Alexfly
    Alexfly 15 December 2020 17: 28
    0
    Wow, apparently Rogozin did not believe that with the remaining funds after all sorts of cuts, something could also fly ... Oh, where are you scattering Russ .......
  • Intruder
    Intruder 15 December 2020 19: 27
    0
    She's flying, damn it !!!
    Kanalya .... :)))
  • digitalcn75
    digitalcn75 15 December 2020 23: 57
    -1
    The emotional outburst of Mr. Rogozin eloquently outlined the deplorable picture of what is happening with cosmonautics in the Russian Federation. On the other hand, I would like to ask him a counter question: What the hell should she do, jump on one leg, or what?
  • Sartana
    Sartana 16 December 2020 00: 20
    0
    If the rocket wants to fly, the rogozin is powerless.
  • kombat1976
    kombat1976 16 December 2020 03: 10
    0
    He did not quote everything, he added there: "... in spite of all my efforts."
  • Graduate student
    Graduate student 21 December 2020 15: 43
    +17
    Rogozin on the Angara-A5 rocket: It flies, damn it ...

    Shouldn't have been flying? It looks like Rogozin himself was not sure that she would fly ...