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In Ukraine, they are discussing how the Russian UAV "Okhotnik" is going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar"

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In Ukraine, they are discussing how the Russian UAV "Okhotnik" is going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar"

The Russian Ministry of Defense is accelerating work on the development of the S-70 Okhotnik strike drone. According to the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, the Russian drone should take on the function of a "hunter" for the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 attack drones. The publication ponders how the Russian attack UAV is going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar".


The Ukrainian newspaper writes that Russian President Vladimir Putin has demanded that work on the Okhotnik strike drone be accelerated. The reason for this was the alleged "complete failure" of Russian air defense systems in Nagorno-Karabakh, where Turkish drones were unhindered to destroy the anti-aircraft systems of the Armenian army.

(...) the systems "Tor-M2KM", S-300PS, 9K35 "Strela-10" and 9K33 "Osa" "do not see" drones Bayraktar TB2

- says Defense Express.

The publication emphasizes that the Russian-made anti-aircraft systems do not see the Bayraktar TB2, but the Turkish drone "practically with impunity" could hit Russian air defense systems.

This is probably why, according to Ukrainian "experts", Putin instructed to speed up work on the "Okhotnik", although according to the initial plans, the serial production of the Russian attack drone was planned to begin in 2024. And after the start of serial production of the S-70 "Okhotnik" will take over the function of hunting for Turkish drones.

The publication also compares the performance characteristics of the Russian and Turkish drones, but emphasizes that Russia can lie, therefore "it is hardly worth considering the statements of the Russians as truthful", since "Okhotnik" did not confirm its characteristics in a "real situation":

Fuselage length: Bayraktar TB2 - 6,5 meters, "Hunter" - 14 meters; wingspan: Bayraktar TB2 -12 meters, "Hunter" - 19 meters; maximum takeoff weight: Bayraktar TB2 - 650 kg, "Okhotnik" - 25 tons; combat load: Bayraktar TB2 - 150 kg, "Hunter" - 2,8 tons; maximum flight speed: Bayraktar TB2 - 222 km / h, Hunter - 1400 km / h; maximum flight range: Bayraktar TB2 - 150 km (when controlled from a ground station), "Okhotnik" - 5000 km.

And one more Ukrainian argument in favor of Bayraktar TB2 drones, which are already in service with the Armed Forces of Ukraine - Turkey has more than 100 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs at its disposal, while the Russian Okhotnik will not reach mass production soon.
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  1. figwam
    figwam 14 December 2020 09: 26
    +34
    In Ukraine, they are discussing how the Russian UAV "Okhotnik" is going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar"

    In Ukraine, such storytellers ...
    And we have a heavy Angara flew with what everyone and congratulations.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 14 December 2020 09: 34
      +14
      "If Tryndychikha is hooked, then she can do this, there is no sweetness with Tryndychikha ..."! yes
    2. Civil
      Civil 14 December 2020 09: 45
      +12
      It is somehow wrong to use the Hunter and especially the Su-57 against plastic and cheap Bayraktars ... maybe there is a cheaper option?
      1. Kart
        Kart 14 December 2020 10: 02
        +7
        There is. Our tanks are at the enemy command post.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 10: 34
        +8
        Quote: Civil
        It is somehow wrong to use the Hunter and especially the Su-57 against plastic and cheap Bayraktars ... maybe there is a cheaper option?

        Maybe Yak-3 or LA-5? No? Of course, in a modern modification. Armed with 37mm cannons firing buckshot.
        So, I fantasized a little.
        1. Pereira
          Pereira 14 December 2020 11: 20
          +6
          A hint of Tucano?
          1. Rokot
            Rokot 15 December 2020 01: 05
            +1
            And our Yak-130?
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 December 2020 11: 29
        +17
        Quote: Civil
        maybe there is a cheaper option?

        Is.
        This is a well-established air defense and electronic warfare system. Turkish Bayraktar were shot down in Syria and Libya, and in Karabakh, too, as soon as appropriate measures were taken. Yes, they are less visible than large planes and helicopters, but this is all their defense against air defense. And if the air defense systems of the 60s "do not see", and even then if they have crap calculations, then the modern ones see well. correct tactics are needed everywhere.
        In particular, in Idlib, the Turks admitted the loss of 12 UAVs, the Syrians declared 20. The truth, apparently, is in the middle. In Libya, 6 UAVs were shot down in a day. Of course, there is no exact data, but the trend is obvious. Turkish, by the way, assembled from components from the USA, Canada, and other advanced manufacturers,
        UAVs are a modern weapon (but not a miracle) of an air attack, modern countermeasures and air defense tactics are needed against it. That's all. Journalists, even more so, dill, need to fantasize, somehow they have to pee in order to pour balm on the tortured souls of Banderlog.
        1. Imobile
          Imobile 14 December 2020 12: 08
          -17%
          At the air defense forum, 5 years ago, they discussed that drones cannot see radars. 5 years have passed, nothing has been done.
      4. ROSS_51
        ROSS_51 15 December 2020 01: 01
        +3
        Quote: Civil
        It is somehow wrong to use the Hunter and especially the Su-57 against plastic and cheap Bayraktars ... maybe there is a cheaper option?

        Well, these fantasies are the fruit of the inflamed brains of non-brothers .. It doesn't even make sense to discuss. Here, medical professionals are needed.
    3. lopvlad
      lopvlad 14 December 2020 10: 10
      +10
      Quote: figvam
      And we have a heavy Angara flew with what everyone and congratulations.


      and this time she took 400 kilograms more cargo.
    4. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 14 December 2020 12: 57
      +2
      To talk about how bad everything is with the neighbors, the favorite pastime of Banderlogists)))) their problems are not so noticeable
  2. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 December 2020 09: 27
    +6
    If they don't see him ..? Who will see, what would the Hunter bring?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 14 December 2020 09: 52
      +12
      "The Ukrainian edition of Defense Express", except about the Hunter, has not heard of anything else. So the incomparable compares. hi
      And the statement that Bayraktary's air defense does not see is doubtful.
      For the successful use of modern air defense technology, personnel must be trained, and the equipment must be working. The exercises must be carried out. Armenia did not and does not have the money for this.
      The stake in defense was made on fortified areas. And used anti-aircraft defenses were bought. There is nothing to analyze in the Armenian experience.
      They are trying to attack Khmeimim and less noticeable crafts. Nevertheless, they have no success. hi
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 14 December 2020 10: 02
        +8
        And the Armenians have two confirmed ones. So you can shoot down with old complexes.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 14 December 2020 10: 04
          +8
          And the Armenians have two confirmed ones. So you can shoot down with old complexes.

          And you can see, if you look, and shoot down.
  3. marchcat
    marchcat 14 December 2020 09: 27
    +13
    S-70 well, not as a hunter for Bayraktors. It has a completely different function. So, calm down ...
  4. prior
    prior 14 December 2020 09: 32
    +6
    Russian UAV "Okhotnik" is not going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar".
    "Bayraktar" is opposed by "Yars", "Poplar", "Dagger". It's enough.
    1. Vol4ara
      Vol4ara 14 December 2020 10: 15
      -6
      Quote: prior
      Russian UAV "Okhotnik" is not going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar".
      "Bayraktar" is opposed by "Yars", "Poplar", "Dagger". It's enough.

      No, it is stupid to destroy your country for the sake of Ukraine, and the use of Yao will lead to this.
      1. molyr
        molyr 14 December 2020 11: 44
        0
        so they wrote already applied, it seems to the airport)
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 14 December 2020 21: 02
        0
        No, destroying your country for the sake of Ukraine is stupid
        Turks? Yes, direct assistance to the junta will lead to the destruction of Turkey.
  5. Trapp1st
    Trapp1st 14 December 2020 09: 34
    +9
    Bayraktar yesterday is still not the best.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 14 December 2020 09: 54
      +3
      But there are many of them. This is their main advantage. hi
  6. Kart
    Kart 14 December 2020 09: 34
    +19
    UAV "Okhotnik" will not oppose drones, but rather the control centers.
  7. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 14 December 2020 09: 37
    +24
    Is it worth discussing this addictive nonsense at all?))) The next topic on their agenda is apparently how t 90 is going to confront the frigate
    1. venik
      venik 14 December 2020 10: 36
      +8
      Quote: carstorm 11
      Is it worth discussing this drug addiction at all?

      ==========
      This is not "drug addict delirium" - this is banal "black envy"! Envy generated by hypertrophied self-esteem and self-esteem wounded "at the most". And nothing more!
  8. bar
    bar 14 December 2020 09: 38
    +10
    In Ukraine, they are discussing how the Russian UAV "Okhotnik" is going to confront the Turkish "Bayraktar"

    What is there to discuss? Imperceptibly fly up to the control center of this "baikartar" and roll everything into dust. And the Baikartar itself will fall ...
  9. ork_333
    ork_333 14 December 2020 09: 41
    +13
    Another example of how to make a "style icon" out of a not-so-outstanding UAV. You just need to shout about his "exclusivity" at every corner. This is naturally beneficial for the Turks. The "most advanced" countries will immediately rush to buy an "invulnerable and deadly" drone and no matter how much it will cost the budget, the main thing is to be in trend.
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 14 December 2020 09: 42
    +2
    According to the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express, the Russian drone should take over the function

    I, too, found some more expert strategists ...
    There is no topic for discussion.
  11. Moore
    Moore 14 December 2020 09: 57
    +6
    They are funny there.
    Either the borscht is demanded to be included in the UNESCO World Heritage, then the "dignity" of the owners is boasted ...
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 10: 17
      0
      Quote: Moore
      They are funny there.

      What would the child not amuse himself, if only he would not ask for money.
  12. Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 14 December 2020 09: 59
    +4
    Again they are spreading fat, this will not bring them to good.
  13. Klingon
    Klingon 14 December 2020 10: 08
    +4
    Quote: Civil
    It is somehow wrong to use the Hunter and especially the Su-57 against plastic and cheap Bayraktars ... maybe there is a cheaper option?

    yes, I think there is a cheaper option - at long distances Thor and Carapace CM, closer Derivation of air defense with projectiles with controlled detonation, something like this
  14. lopvlad
    lopvlad 14 December 2020 10: 09
    +5
    The systems "Tor-M2KM", S-300PS, 9K35 "Strela-10" and 9K33 "Wasp" "do not see" drones Bayraktar TB2


    Well, 9K35 "Strela-10" and 9K33 "Wasp" are not required to see, because their maximum target height is significantly lower (3.5 and 5 km), the S-300PS is one of the oldest modifications and is armed with the Russian army only in storage warehouses. As for the Tor-M2KM, whoever saw its confrontation with the bayraktar, the story of the Tor-M2KM parked in the garage does not count.

    Someone seriously thinks that the drone Fuselage length: Bayraktar TB2 - 6,5 meters hard to see and hard to destroy?

    As for the Sumerians, they still think in terms of tank columns and duels when one type of weapon is against the same enemy weapon. The task of any drone is to destroy weapons and an enemy that is larger and more expensive. To perforate a large "Turkish" bird with an engine from a moped there will be air defense in the form of beeches, shells and tori capable of reaching the height.
  15. wow
    wow 14 December 2020 10: 19
    +3
    Kaklam is the only thing left to reason. Everything else is just sold! That was "reasoning" that you have few calibers, then Iskander. But when they realized (very quickly) that they had more than enough for them. quickly died down. Any weapon, even the most advanced one, must be able to control, i.e. OWN. The same cannot be said about the Armenians. By itself, this weapon does not work in principle.
  16. Egoza
    Egoza 14 December 2020 10: 20
    +2
    According to the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express,

    If the publication is Ukrainian, why is the title in English?

    Russia can lie, therefore "it is hardly worth considering the statements of the Russians to be true", since "Okhotnik" did not confirm its characteristics in a "real situation":

    Aha! And there is no vaccine in Russia, and it has not been confirmed in a real situation. Somewhere I have already read this in English!
  17. paco.soto
    paco.soto 14 December 2020 10: 22
    0
    Here, the link is the answer to the current planning of the fight against the Baikatars. On the training pad of the cadet - the location of the Ukrainian Baikatars. From 12:25 pm.
    https://youtu.be/dHY96a-1-k8

  18. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2020 10: 28
    +1
    Russian-made anti-aircraft systems do not see Bayraktar TB2
    Why be surprised. If, according to their interpretation, Socrates spoke MOV and Greek philosophy was born in agony and in Ukrainian, the rest is trifles. And in Libya and Syria they were probably shot down from a slingshot when they saw them visually.
  19. venik
    venik 14 December 2020 10: 33
    +1
    "....The publication also compares the performance characteristics of the Russian and Turkish drones, but emphasizes that Russia can lie, therefore "it is hardly worth considering the statements of the Russians as truthful", since "Okhotnik" did not confirm their characteristics in a "real environment": ..... "
    =======
    When he confirms - "a little - it certainly won't seem"!
    Well, and so, it is quite expected: if there is neither mind nor ability to create something like that, but YOURS - remains diligently swallow ALIEN! A proven method to which "sofa-experts" have recently been resorting to more and more often! For it is getting harder and harder to create something OWN!
  20. Yaro Polk
    Yaro Polk 14 December 2020 11: 13
    0
    it's like a 3-wheeled lisaped compared to a motorcycle ... I think)
  21. TAMBU
    TAMBU 14 December 2020 12: 27
    -2
    Turkey has more than 100 Bayraktar TB2 UAVs at its disposal, at the same time, the Russian "Okhotnik" will not reach serial production soon

    Given the budget cuts for the military ... it's hard to disagree with that ..
  22. koshmarik
    koshmarik 14 December 2020 15: 10
    0
    In my opinion, the creation of light, maneuverable, well-armed, not expensive enemy attack drone fighters is so obvious that most likely they have already gone into series at the factories of our military-industrial complex.
    1. gsev
      gsev 14 December 2020 16: 12
      0
      Quote: koshmarik
      the creation of light, maneuverable, well-armed, not expensive enemy strike drone fighters is so obvious,

      I suppose that it is much easier to make a ground air defense system capable of detecting and shooting down drones than a flying drone fighter, either manned or unmanned. So far, the tactic consists in a massive drone strike at the enemy. Whoever is the first to inflict irreparable losses on the enemy and destroy airfields, command and industrial facilities with a massive attack of drones and artillery and rocket launchers corrected with their help will force the enemy to end the war.
  23. Just Arkady
    Just Arkady 14 December 2020 16: 30
    +1
    However, our air defense Bayraktars gouged out. You have to face the truth. If tomorrow is a war, then how to shoot down. Slingshots?
    1. lBEARl
      lBEARl 20 December 2020 14: 43
      0
      What kind of air defense did the bikotars destroy and where?
  24. mu1972
    mu1972 14 December 2020 21: 05
    0
    khokhlam lizh bypossudat, its already all about ... whether
  25. Chizhov Kirill
    Chizhov Kirill 15 December 2020 11: 04
    0
    then drones, then landing ships, they discuss. Selyuki, but you eat your tops and do not blather. serfs
  26. Basarev
    Basarev 15 December 2020 14: 21
    -1
    Isn't it too small a target for the Hunter? And it is unusual for an attack drone to hit air targets. Russia needs a propeller-driven fighter droid commensurate with Bayraktar.
  27. Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 15 December 2020 18: 39
    0
    It must be so stupid to compare two completely different UAVs. Bayraktar is an ordinary GPS-powered buzzbox with a range of only 150 km
  28. Shuttle
    Shuttle 17 December 2020 13: 16
    0
    Why would the Hunter, the supersonic long arm of the Su-57, hunt for slow-moving, in fact, motorized airplanes? Those. a target that weakly maneuvers both in course and in height. Much cheaper systems are suitable for interception. Most likely these will be small autonomous interceptor drones. Perhaps even very inexpensive, kinetic ones.
    At such speeds, it is likely to teach the drone to independently catch up with the target and even throw on it something like a thin strong mesh instead of ammunition or fire a volley of light shrapnel. For example, a snipe shot will damage an enemy drone until the latter falls.
  29. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 18 December 2020 18: 40
    0
    In the give ... As the Ukrainians walked the slate from the roof thoroughly. They compare the incomparable. When they bark at Russian weapons that allegedly showed themselves among the Armenians not in the best way I remember Pushkin's lines: You are a slave, you are a coward, you are an Armenian ..
  30. lBEARl
    lBEARl 20 December 2020 14: 33
    0
    Ukrainian experts are becoming synonymous with English scientists ...
  31. Just Arkady
    Just Arkady 27 December 2020 17: 34
    0
    It seems that some films from the 30s of the last century have seen enough: "If tomorrow is war ...", "Tankers", etc. Well, they were banned during the Great Patriotic War.
  32. klimalekc
    klimalekc 5 June 2021 12: 42
    0
    Ukraine looks at the successful experience of using drones by Azerbaijan and turns a blind eye to the complete failure of their use in Syria and Libya. I see what I want to see and I don’t see what I don’t want.