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Deputy Defense Minister of Ukraine said Israel will help modernize MiG-29 fighters

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Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine Oleksandr Mironyuk announced that in 2021 it is planned to carry out a large-scale modernization of the country's air force. According to Mironyuk, we are talking, in particular, about a project to modernize the MiG-29 fighters of the Ukrainian Air Force.


At the same time, the Ukrainian official claims that Israel will help Ukraine in the modernization of fighters.

Mironyuk:

An Israeli company will help several of our companies to extend the life of fighters until 2035. First of all, the operation of the MiG-29.

According to the Deputy Minister of Defense of Ukraine, the modernized versions of these fighters "will have additional capabilities to defeat ground targets." Kiev notes that in this way Israel will help turn fighters into universal combat vehicles with attack aircraft functionality.

The modernization, according to Kiev, will also affect the Su-27 fighters and the Su-25 attack aircraft. And these aircraft, according to the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, after the upgrade will be able to perform tasks until at least the mid-2030s.

Among other things, it is planned to equip the aircraft of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine with high-precision ammunition, which have not been previously used in the Ukrainian aviation... It is possible that this is precisely where Ukraine is betting on cooperation with Israel.
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  1. kit88
    kit88 14 December 2020 08: 44
    +13
    And what year of release is the airframe of the aircraft supposed to be modernized?
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 December 2020 09: 31
      0
      It is clear that the newest aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in 30 years, somewhere on average 35 years old gliders of the aircraft intended for modernization.
    2. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 14 December 2020 13: 01
      +2
      And how old are the engines and what is their remaining motor resource? It is possible to modernize the sides, which tomorrow will be "for fun" due to the lack of engines, is possible only in one case - the money allocated for the modernization can be torn apart, and then "even the wolf do not chew grass"))))
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 14 December 2020 13: 14
        -2
        Motor Sich will help to extend the service life of engines. In my opinion, even during the time of cooperation, they shared the technology of repair and maintenance of engines from the MiG-29.
        1. TermNachTer
          TermNachTer 14 December 2020 14: 39
          +2
          The motor will not help, even if it really wants to. He did not make such engines or repair them.
      2. PROXOR
        PROXOR 14 December 2020 13: 26
        -1
        The Poles will help them with engines.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 14 December 2020 13: 37
          -2
          Quote: PROXOR
          The Poles will help them with engines.

          The Poles themselves have problems with engines for their MiG-29s. Or do the Poles produce engines for the MiG-29 in your opinion?
  2. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 14 December 2020 08: 46
    +8
    Is there enough money for Israeli military gadgets and their integration into the old 29s? The contractor is expensive and doesn't really believe in a word.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 December 2020 10: 03
      +3
      Now everything is expensive. But according to rumors, Poland has successfully modernized its MiG-29s.
      It would seem that Poland is a country whose position seems to be openly Russophobic. Many outrageous stereotypes and myths about the USSR and Russia grow out of theses of the official Polish propaganda. But Soviet planes are loved here very much and they treat their old MiGs with undisguised respect, although among the sofa experts only the laziest did not scold them. The Polish company WZL-2, together with the Northrop Grumman concern, recently completed the third stage of modernization of the twenty-ninths, and the Polish Air Force command has already announced new work in this direction and the extension of the aircraft's service life until 2030.



      Colonel Harry Collins. ml. USAF, F-16 pilot:

      “MiGs are not at all the planes we met five years ago (in the summer of 2014, editor's note), on another holiday. I don’t know how, but the Poles managed to change the old Soviet radars to the new Israeli ones. They did something with the missiles. In previous games, we were able to compensate for the shortcomings of the F-16 Block 52М + in close combat, with attacks from medium and long range, due to more advanced equipment. Now this trick does not work. "Fulcrum" is back in business. about potential rivalry with the F-35. There is still nothing for him here. "

      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5cbc1d66621b6d00b28aefbd/vse-bylo-ne-kak-v-instrukciiah-piloty-ssha-o-boiah-f16-s-polskimi-mig29-zachem-polsha-moderniziruet-fulcrum-4i-raz-5fc9e8d5eb95a537349e2058
      1. KVU-NSVD
        KVU-NSVD 14 December 2020 10: 12
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        But Poland is rumored to have successfully modernized its MiG-29s.

        So the Poles will be richer
        the command of the Polish Air Force already announces new work in this direction and the extension of the aircraft's service life until 2030.
        And where to go - to renew the park at once - no budgets will be enough.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 14 December 2020 10: 17
          +2
          The Poles made a beautiful upgrade of the MiG-29, painted it. According to the link above in my previous post, there are many photos of the updated Polish MiG-29. Here is the attitude to technology. For contrast, compare with the MiG-29, which Ukraine left in Crimea. The contrast is obvious. As they say, heaven and earth, although the plane is the same - MiG-29.
    2. Russobel
      Russobel 15 December 2020 07: 27
      -1
      The contractor is expensive and doesn't really believe in a word.

      Especially do not believe ?!
      Yes, we do not believe our mother, although we do love it very much ...
      "We Russians never deceive each other"
      Brother 2.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 December 2020 08: 47
    0
    It may well, in terms of avionics. For the rest it will be like a renovation. And the avionics will be at the level of the MiG35S, which is not yet available. In general, in my opinion, Israel may well master a new niche in the supply of weapons (sanctions prevent this) - this is the complete equipping of avionics with weapons and our iron in the form of the Su35 or Mi28 (in the form of aircraft with motors.) This can give customers oriented to the USA in plan of weapons and create a competitive independent product for them with uncut characteristics.
    1. loki565
      loki565 14 December 2020 08: 55
      +5
      Yes, yes, they have already modernized the Su25 for Georgians, right for write-off)))
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 December 2020 08: 57
        0
        You can compare this upgrade with CM1 .....
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 14 December 2020 08: 56
      +2
      It may well, in terms of avionics. For the rest it will be like a renovation.
      There, the main resource, especially engines. I feel it will be as always - for the repair of Ukrainian aircraft, we will sell Israel spare parts squealing and limping with joy.
    3. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 December 2020 09: 39
      +4
      at the level of the MiG35S, which is not yet available

      And what then passes the state tests if it is not?
      Israel may well master a new niche in the supply of weapons (sanctions prevent this) - this is the complete equipping of avionics with weapons and our iron in the form of the Su35 or Mi28 (in the form of an aircraft with motors.)

      Yeah. Right now. You would immediately suggest that American avionics be put on our equipment so that it can be easily landed on the ground. And so that we have nothing to fight on. Israel is a strategic ally of the United States. Don't forget. Besides, why do we need it? to feed the military-industrial complex of Israel, when, when creating the Su-57, Mi-35, its own avionics was created. Own production must be developed. Otherwise, sanctions are all. We have a new generation of weapons created for the Su-35, Mi-28. Why should we feed Israel? A strange idea, to put it mildly.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 December 2020 10: 05
        0
        For an external client - why not? Imagine a Ka52 with a modern avionics. The client wants to and configures it. And optics and IR systems and communications and ATGMs, even kamikaze drones ... and a connection with UAVs. And, at the same time, it has an independent supplier of the helicopter itself. And the engines, if anything, are popular on the market and are produced, for example, by the Russian Federation and Ukraine. And compare this product with the market leader - APACH.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 14 December 2020 10: 12
          +3
          For an external client - why not?

          Because our products need to be improved and promoted in order to keep up with other manufacturers.
          Imagine a Ka52 with a modern avionics. The client wants to and configures it.

          Of course, it is extremely undesirable. But alas, the desire of the customer is law. And so that this does not happen, it is necessary to produce our products at the level. Your own production must be promoted, not someone else's.
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 December 2020 10: 15
            +1
            This will allow you to get into countries that are armed by NATO standards. And loyal customers need to promote their technique. All margin in avionics and weapons ...
      2. andreykolesov123
        andreykolesov123 14 December 2020 13: 33
        0
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Why do we need to feed Israel?

        The Zionists are trying to take bread from teachers and doctors. The killers in white coats, without shame and conscience, sabotage Russian equipment and leave in their harsh handicrafts looking like forgeries, bookmarks that allow remotely attacking Russian aircraft.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 14 December 2020 13: 40
          -1
          Ha ha ha. Is the circus over? Until next time. hi
    4. Danila46
      Danila46 14 December 2020 09: 41
      -2
      what are the sanctions for Israel? Izraml can freely sell weapons of its own design to anyone it considers necessary and profitable for itself. But only with their weapons, where there is not a single amer's screw ...
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 14 December 2020 09: 51
        +2
        Why do we need weapons from Israel when we have our own? Import substitution has already done its job. The whole shop is closed for different Israel, France and the like. And thank God. We need to develop our own production. To develop your industry and to leave money in your country. Everything else is from the evil one. You want it to be like in India, where corrupt military leaders buy any junk like Rafales for a high price, and then don't know what to do with them, throwing a lot of money down the drain in essence.
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 14 December 2020 10: 07
          -2
          totally agree with you. Self-sufficiency, the basis of the independence of the city. But the title of the article, like the article itself, suggests that Ukraine cannot or has not yet created its own worthwhile high-tech weapons, and therefore resorts to import assistance.
          Be of good cheer!
          THE ROAD WILL BE LASTED BY THE WALKING ...
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 December 2020 10: 19
            -3
            Task for the 3rd class: tender, somewhere in India - an attack helicopter with modern systems and 3rd generation anti-tank systems. You put Ka or Mi ..... Apache wins.
        2. Dym71
          Dym71 14 December 2020 10: 26
          +1
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          Why do we need weapons from Israel when we have our own? Import substitution has already done its job. The whole shop is closed to different Israel, France and the like.

          The shop is very open (only without unnecessary noise and dust), because we ourselves will not pull everything right away.
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 14 December 2020 10: 34
            +1
            Quote: Dym71
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            Why do we need weapons from Israel when we have our own? Import substitution has already done its job. The whole shop is closed to different Israel, France and the like.

            The shop is very open (only without unnecessary noise and dust), because we ourselves will not pull everything right away.

            It sucks very much if everything is as you say. These well-fed zero-eighties, when oil prices were high, drove someone crazy. The idea was to buy everything. So we are reaping the results of such a “far-sighted” policy, but I hope we will catch up with time, eliminate the technological gap. I hope.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 14 December 2020 13: 09
              +1
              Here in "well-fed 00" it was not necessary to withdraw money to offshores and buy yachts from the Czech Republic. ...., but to buy entirely progressive products and technologies at that time .... and then now there would be a technological breakthrough.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 14 December 2020 10: 16
        0
        Well, yes .... UAVs for the Russian Federation slowed down ..... although there were requests.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 14 December 2020 10: 27
          0
          On the contrary, they spurred us on, forcing us to develop UAVs ourselves. So the matter got off the ground. Or how did the same Turkish Bayraktar appear? Its history essentially began with the refusal of Western countries to supply Turkey with shock UAVs.
          1. IL-18
            IL-18 14 December 2020 10: 47
            0
            Bayraktar is far from all Turkish. Starting with the Austrian engine, by the way. And, unlike us, they can afford it. We can only count on ourselves. The downside is that this is a very long way from the TTZ to the finished product. But the plus from absolute independence from external pressure in this direction is very bold
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 14 December 2020 11: 02
              +1
              Quote: IL-18
              Bayraktar has far from everything Turkish... Starting with the Austrian engine, by the way.

              And very far
          2. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 December 2020 13: 05
            0
            The option about how sanctions spur us on is bad.
        2. Danila46
          Danila46 14 December 2020 10: 56
          -4
          As far as I know, Israel has sold UAV technology to Russia. Knowledge is the foundation in this area. And then yourself. In Russia, they created their own UAV on this basis. They just stopped in development on instructions from above. Likewise, Israel sold the documentation of the Lavi fighter to China, which they brought to mind as a g-10. But China has gone further, and today they have their fifth generation ...
          Of course, buying is the easiest. Money is found in Russia. Why waste your time on trifles ??? But in Russia there is hypersound, while Israel does not. Sell ​​techology to Israel? Of course not! The mattresses will sniff out ...
          1. Vitaly gusin
            Vitaly gusin 14 December 2020 12: 20
            0
            Quote: Danila46
            But in Russia there is hypersound, while Israel does not.

            Well, that's not entirely true.
            There is an analogue of the Russian ARC "Dagger" - aeroballistic rocket "Rocks".

            Which was used as a target when testing the Arrow-3 complex in Alaska.
            1. Danila46
              Danila46 14 December 2020 13: 14
              -3
              OK. I'll know. Thanks for the information.
      3. I'm walking by
        I'm walking by 14 December 2020 11: 24
        +1
        Why should the question of having American screws concern anyone other than Americans?
        P.S. sophisticated helmets with electronic filling for US fighters were developed by an Israeli company, they are now also selling planes nizya because Danya banned?
        1. Danila46
          Danila46 14 December 2020 13: 00
          -5
          why do you need to explain elementary things? Moreover, Russia had a similar situation with the superjet, which you could not sell without amer's permission. this plane is a carrier of some American technology. Also with helmets. If the United States sells the f-35 to the UAE, then without these helmets, if Israel does not give its adversaries for this. And the amers will have to sell only their helmets to the Arabs. Something like this...
          1. Zaurbek
            Zaurbek 14 December 2020 21: 35
            0
            And the airbus could not sell ... in fact, all civilian airliners under US control, as well as the weapons of Western countries.
          2. I'm walking by
            I'm walking by 15 December 2020 12: 37
            +1
            Obviously, the issue of exporting joint products of the United States and Israel is being decided between, the surprise, the United States and Israel, and in some cases they will come to an agreement, but in others they will not, which I mentioned.
    5. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 14 December 2020 11: 00
      +2
      Quote: Zaurbek
      Israel may well master a new niche in the supply of weapons ...

      The Sons of Israel have been working in this field since the collapse of the Union. In '95 they already proposed to insert a glass cockpit into the figure eight with adaptation for NVG.
      I sincerely doubt that it will burn out for 404s: this is not from the Russian Federation - you have to pay here
  4. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 14 December 2020 08: 51
    +4
    From the point of view of Ukraine, this makes sense. The Israelis do not make bad weapons and know how to hybridize "incompatible" schools and approaches. One DASH aviation helmet with our KM-35 is worth a lot. In general, in the next 10-15 years Ukraine will switch to the purchase of new foreign equipment. They are simply doomed to this, the existing Soviet samples without the Russian Federation will be impossible to modernize for a long time
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 December 2020 08: 59
      +2
      Here the question is different. Where's the money? Israeli weapons are at the level of American ...
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 14 December 2020 09: 03
        +5
        Yes, they will be given to go to war. Don't even hesitate here. Just like impudent for building boats.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 14 December 2020 09: 08
          0
          It's easier to give F16 bu (the same Israeli ones) for them there is also a bunch of infrastructure, spare parts, ammunition ........ The MiG29 is not a standard for NATO. And their resource is finite.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 14 December 2020 09: 09
            0
            Well, the Germans flew the GDR to the last. They wrote it off almost last year.
            1. Zaurbek
              Zaurbek 14 December 2020 09: 11
              0
              The Germans did not bother with restrictions on repairs from the Russian Federation. and Ukraine bothers.
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 14 December 2020 09: 22
                +1
                They have much more infrastructure for MiGs than for F16. This is not only an airfield, it is all airfield equipment, and much more. And the solution ... was somehow found. Probably the scheme is the same as with diesel fuel for tanks ... ours will sell it through third parties. Then they will express concern. Here I was inspired by both the article and your comments - such modernization is similar to preparing for the "last and decisive". Indeed - to hang on the junk systems for high-precision and buy them from the same Israel. Maybe in the last battle and will help. And such junk is still knocked down quickly. Why bother with imports.
    2. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 14 December 2020 10: 17
      -2
      Aviation is an expensive thing. The surest way is Azerbaijan - UAV.
    3. Ovsigovets
      Ovsigovets 14 December 2020 13: 41
      0
      with adequate funding
  5. Kot_Kuzya
    Kot_Kuzya 14 December 2020 09: 05
    +1
    The pans can be dried as you like and as much as you like. But they will never escape from the level of European Somalia. laughing
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 14 December 2020 09: 11
    0
    What for? That was? All the same, in the event, God forbid, war with Russia, they will be destroyed, and most likely at airfields. fellow
  7. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 14 December 2020 09: 12
    +3
    yes, let anyone help them (if only not Russia) ... you see, after the "modernization" the remnants of the pilots will be disposed of during the flights
  8. rocket757
    rocket757 14 December 2020 09: 18
    0
    They will also fall, with all the bells and whistles that they want to visit.
  9. Avior
    Avior 14 December 2020 09: 21
    +4
    Israel has long been engaged in the modernization of Soviet-made aircraft, both civil and military
  10. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 14 December 2020 09: 37
    +2
    News, sorry for the tautology, old. Back in late July, it was reported that Elbit Systems would accept 11 (out of more than thirty available at the disposal of the Ukrainian Air Force) MiG-29 aircraft for modernization.
    As I recall, MiG-29 fighters are based in Ivano-Frankovsk, Lutsk and Vasilkov, but some of them are already subject to decommissioning.

    In the spring of this year, a program for the complete rearmament of the Air Force by 2035 was announced in Kiev.
    According to these data, by 2025 Ukraine should decide on the type of new aircraft for its Air Force, purchase an initial batch (6-12 aircraft) and begin their trial operation.
    There are two main contenders for the role of the Ukrainian "aircraft of the future" - the Swedish JAS-39 Gripen fighter and the American-made F-16 fighter of the latest modification Block-70/72. In the future, it is planned to purchase new fighters at a rate of 6-12 aircraft per year, and starting from 2030-2035 and up to 8-12 aircraft annually.
    By the time this program is completed, there should be no old aircraft left in the Ukrainian Air Force. In this regard, I do not quite understand the decision on the rather costly modernization of the MiG-29, but perhaps the Ukrainian command has its own reasons for this. hi
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 14 December 2020 09: 50
      +1
      Quote: A. Privalov
      The news, sorry for the tautology, is old.

      This is not a "tautology" but an "oxymoron". Sorry, we humbly ask! hi
    2. zwlad
      zwlad 14 December 2020 09: 59
      +1
      I think that the F-16 will be taken, because the states will most likely allocate money.
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 14 December 2020 10: 20
        -1
        Quote: zwlad
        I think that the F-16 will be taken, because the states will most likely allocate money.

        Also the money is not small.
        A year ago, Slovakia borrowed 1,589 such fighters for € 1,8 billion ($ 14 billion).
        This amount includes the training of 22 pilots and more than 150 maintenance personnel, a supply of ammunition for the first time and two years of logistical support.
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 14 December 2020 10: 38
          0
          Well, the Americans will issue a loan. And they will create a base for interest. Profit.
          1. A. Privalov
            A. Privalov 14 December 2020 10: 46
            0
            Quote: zwlad
            Well, the Americans will issue a loan. And they will create a base for interest. Profit.

            Another 5 years and there will be no memories of these MiG-29s. What should Ukraine do? You need to fly on something. American money is just right here. Let's be realistic.
            1. zwlad
              zwlad 14 December 2020 10: 56
              +1
              Yes, I don’t argue.
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 14 December 2020 10: 17
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      In this regard, I do not quite understand the decision on the rather costly modernization of the MiG-29.

      The MiG-29 in Ukraine began to be modernized in 2007, when Gritsenko was still the Minister of Defense, and is still being modernized.
      And this modernization has no beginning or end.
      In Ukraine, there is no strike aircraft, from the word at all, hence all this throwing.
  11. Threaded screw
    Threaded screw 14 December 2020 09: 38
    0
    Israel will help modernize MiG-29 fighters
    As one comrade from Krasnodar said here, since the IRGC is arming Hezbollah, it means he is fighting against Israel. We draw conclusions.
  12. zwlad
    zwlad 14 December 2020 09: 45
    +2
    and the yak fe-35?
    1. Bartholomew
      Bartholomew 14 December 2020 10: 24
      0
      And why are they one F-35 th? Perhaps not even entirely
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 December 2020 10: 16
    0
    An Israeli company will help ...
    If the money is live, it will certainly help in spite of the anti-Semitic sentiments in this country. smells like gesheft. Ukraine began to loudly declare its new "friends" to Turkey and now Israel wants to join this list (although the Israeli military is already hanging out there).
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 14 December 2020 10: 26
    +3
    And what are we not planning for 2021! And to modernize everything in the army, and to "liberate" the LPNR and Crimea and raise pensions along with wages .... Obviously, someone decided (on the advice of "St. Jorgen") to get out in time, singing the immortal. " .. "
  15. Operator
    Operator 14 December 2020 10: 49
    -10%
    In this situation, the main thing for us is to rapidly modernize Iran's missile forces (at its expense, of course).
  16. Gunner
    Gunner 14 December 2020 11: 01
    0
    Didn't Amerika help?
  17. Wolf
    Wolf 14 December 2020 13: 03
    -2
    When Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced that Britain would return to dominate the ocean, he knew that on earth he was eating someone to fight for them. And the USA knew that they would all fly on F16 block 70/72. What role were assigned to servants in Ukraine? In the near future, Ukraine will receive profitable loans for F16 block 70/72, as they have already received in Rumunia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Poland. If purely the market determined on which cars to fly 4 + generations Then all Europe would fly to the MiG 35C and potential enemies on Gripen, but there is no market here and all potential enemies fly to F16. Who upgraded Polakam 29? Israel is here on orders to replenish the intermediate time and wash the dengue so that the United States or France does not appear. Modern Israeli radar is actually either French or USA (assembly in Israel) laughing , and if they are better than the Mige35 or Su35, why not just steal the technology? And Israel stole a lot of weapons technology from the former USSR and the Russian Federation.
    In addition, the motto: IT'S ONLY BYNESS, NOTHING PERSONAL, can only be sold by idiots in mafia structures. Gentlemen on the war in Karabakh THIS PERSONAL AFFAIRS SHARE POTENTIAL ENEMIES AND WHICH COUNTRY CAN BE ADMITTED OCHY, but the question is here, Israel gave between them?