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Consequences of the joint use of "Bayraktars" and jamming Mi-8MTPB in Donbas. What should Donetsk and Moscow prepare for?

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As the first week of December 2020 showed, a very gloomy forecast of possible scenarios for the development of the operational-tactical situation in the Donbass theater of operations, announced on November 26 by the first commander of the DPR Armed Forces, the permanent leader and curator of the Novorossiya public movement and military expert Igor Strelkov in the next informational release -analytical program "Results of the week with Igor Strelkov" for the "YouTube" -channel "Roy-TV", found weighty confirmation in a number of events in the military-political, operational-tactical and military-technical situation, which occurred at the filing of the Ukrainian "War parties".


In particular, it would be extremely naive to assume that against the background of the internal political and media chaos that erupted in the United States in connection with the inevitable ascent to the post of head of the White House by former US Vice President and Democrat Joseph Biden (with the subsequent appointment of hitherto unknown candidates - "dark horses "For the posts of the heads of the US defense and foreign affairs agencies with purely individual approaches to the formation of an updated geostrategic vector of Washington), especially" hot heads "in the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not undertake another attempt to destabilize the situation in the Donbas theater of operations, provoking a new round of large-scale escalation in the coming months.

This is precisely what is happening today with the active military-technical, operational-tactical and information assistance of Whitehall (the British Defense Department) and the US Air Force command.

Details of the most probable scenario for the development of the operational-tactical situation in the Donbass theater of operations


Thus, the memorandum on military-technical cooperation concluded between London and Kiev on October 8, 2020, as well as the earlier airborne landing from the cargo compartments of the British C-130Js at the training ground near the settlement of the item. Kapustino (Mykolaiv region) hundreds of servicemen of the 16th Airborne Assault Brigade of the British Army within the framework of the Joint Efforts - 2020 exercises, contributed to the emergence in the limbic shares of the most ambitious high-ranking representatives of the defense department and the general staff of the "independent" powerful motivational driver for the development and possible implementation of much more sophisticated tactics of offensive "throws" immediately on some critical operational areas of the Donbas theater of operations.

As for the information and operational-tactical support from the US Air Force command, here we are talking about providing a comprehensive situational awareness of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about any actions of the units of the 1st and 2nd army corps of the People's Militia of the LDNR both near the contact line and in depth of the rear zones of the Donbass theater of operations.

This capability is achieved through the implementation of detailed optoelectronic and all-weather radar reconnaissance of the surface area of ​​this theater of operations using the SYERS-B / C multispectral long-focus optoelectronic complexes and the AN / ZPY-2 MP-RTIP onboard side-scan AFAR radars of strategic RQ drones -4B "Global Hawk", providing the classification and identification of armored vehicles, artillery and air defense through the operation in the synthetic aperture mode (SAR).

An eloquent confirmation of the likely implementation of the above forecast is the sudden transfer of batteries and rocket artillery battalions (ReADn) of the MLRS BM-21 to the key operational areas of the Donbass theater of operations (Gorlovskoe, Donetsk, Telmanovskoe and Novoazovskoe), recorded by the local population and the intelligence structures of the NM LPR 122- / 152-mm cannon artillery, as well as additional mechanized units. With the aim of the probable implementation of artillery preparation and the start of offensive operations together with the 35th and 36th separate brigades of the marines (OBRMP), as well as numerous volunteer paramilitary formations, including the Azov regiment.

Also, batteries of 82- and 120-mm BM-37 and 2B11 mortars, which have recently been used by Ukrainian formations to strike at the fortified areas of the 1st DPR Army Corps in the vicinity of the settlements of Opytnoe, Leninskoe and Vodyanoe, were also put into operation.

Fortunately, the "counter-battery" response in some episodes did take place ... This has been reported by the Telegram channel "Yasinovataya Donbass in the Line of Fire" and the VK community "Militia Summaries" over the past few days.

The presence of the Bayraktar TB2 strike-reconnaissance UAV and Mi-8PPA / MTPB helicopters at the disposal of the Air Force of Ukraine is capable of nullifying the combat stability of the units of the 1st and 2nd Army Corps of the LDNR


Meanwhile, special concern in this situation is caused by the active purchase by the defense department of the "Nezalezhnaya" and the probable use in the Donbass theater of military operations of the Turkish unmanned attack reconnaissance systems "Bayraktar TB2", developed by the "Baykar Makina" company and having passed a very successful baptism of fire in Syria. Libyan, Karabakh theater of operations.

Despite the fact that the number of operational-tactical shock-reconnaissance UAVs "Bayraktar TB2" ("Tactical Block 2") reaches only 6 units. (2 complexes consisting of 2 command posts and three drones attached to each PBU with a total ammunition load of high-precision UAB MAM-L and anti-tank guided missiles L-UMTAS about 200 units), even such a small "reinforced link" of "Bayraktars" offensive orders to motorized infantry units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the possibility of a rapid breakthrough of the first line of defense of the 1st Army Corps of the DPR NM in several critical areas of the Donbass theater of military operations.

Possessing the ability to operate at altitudes of 7800-8200 m (outside the high-altitude lines of destruction of the self-propelled air defense systems 1K9M35 "Strela-3" and "Osa-AKM", which are 10 and 3500 m, respectively, in service with the 5000st AK NM DNR, respectively), as well as - / TV-low-level OLPK MX-15D, a link of 4-6 drones "Bayraktar TB2" is able to freely inflict a preemptive strike not only on towed howitzers, self-propelled guns and MLRS of the 1st AK NM DNR deployed for "counter-battery response", but also on a very limited number of counter-battery artillery reconnaissance radars 1L219 "Zoo", which are in service with the Separate Artillery Brigade "Kalmius" and other units.

Moreover, the coordinates of the initial location of the Zoos, as well as their operational deployment, can be obtained by the Bayraktar operators not only through the Wescam MX-15D onboard optoelectronic complexes, which have mediocre capabilities in difficult meteorological conditions, but also from their American colleagues-operators UAV RQ-4B, using the AN / ZPY-2 MP-RTIP onboard radar. The loss of the Zoo counter-battery radars will overnight reduce the effectiveness of the counter-battery warfare carried out by the surviving batteries of the Grad / Uragan MLRS, towed Msta-B and Hyacinth-B howitzers, etc.

An impressive range of troubles (in conjunction with the use of Bayraktars) can also be experienced by the use by the Air Force of the "independent" well-known Mi-8PPA / MTPB electronic warfare helicopters, the restoration program of which was hastily launched in 2015-2017.

Equipped with multi-band (decimeter S- and centimeter G / H / X-bands) SPS-63/66 "Azalea" and "Bizon" electronic countermeasures complexes based on low-element AFAR, helicopters of this family are capable of suppressing the receiving paths of centimeter radar detectors of self-propelled air defense systems Osa-AKM (several times reducing their already negligible detection range of approaching Bayraktar, Su-25 attack aircraft and other air attack weapons of the Ukrainian Armed Forces), counter-battery radar Zoo-1 and mobile radars of artillery reconnaissance Aistenok.

All of the above factors will significantly reduce the likelihood of successful interruption of offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without indirect or direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.
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  1. Machito
    Machito 16 December 2020 04: 48
    +19
    NM LDNR should take into account the experience of Karabakh and the work of Turkish drones. It is better to keep an eye out and find a solution in advance to counter the UAV.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 16 December 2020 05: 24
      +46
      Consequences of the joint use of "Bayraktars" and jamming Mi-8MTPB in Donbas. What should Donetsk and Moscow prepare for?

      Quote: Bearded
      NM LDNR should take into account the experience of Karabakh and the work of Turkish drones. It is better to keep an eye out and find a solution in advance to counter the UAV.


      No matter how we watch, modern electronic warfare systems and ZARK, capable of counteracting the systems listed in the article, will not appear "from dampness", as will the combat crews of operators working on them.

      Therefore, I think the title correctly asked the question - "What should Donetsk and Moscow prepare for?"
      With us the question is clear, we have a war, we just need to prepare for a strike, with Moscow it is more difficult.
      You have a POLICY ...
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 16 December 2020 07: 11
        +2
        Quote: Insurgent
        You have a POLICY ...
        Not only and not so much: politics needs to be projected somewhere, so that they do not project onto us, but technical means - including military ones, in particular - the very same electronic warfare, and UAVs, and ZARK.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 December 2020 07: 29
          +8
          Quote: Simargl
          Not only and not so much: politics needs to be projected somewhere, so that they do not project onto us, but technical means - including military ones, in particular - the very same electronic warfare, and UAVs, and ZARK.

          For practically open use, that is, already act as a party to the conflict, using "the very same electronic warfare, UAV and ZARK"and calculations for them with us, you need a strong-willed political decision.
          Therefore, politics, in this situation, is a factor and a defining concept.
          1. Temples
            Temples 16 December 2020 09: 23
            +6
            Well, then you need to give up. wassat
            Domantsev chewed everything up - the Turks created a super pepelats that will win everyone.

            This is fun
            .... coordinates .... the location of the Zoos, as well as their operational deployment, can be obtained by Bayraktarov operators not only through .... Wescam MX-15D complexes, which have mediocre capabilities in difficult meteorological conditions, but also from American colleagues- UAV operators RQ-4B


            Maybe the "colleagues" will fight themselves?

            If "colleagues" poke their heads around, then there will be a big European nix with the potential to grow into a world one.

            This has been said more than once and is repeated regularly.

            The political decision has been made and there is no refusal.

            There is no military solution to the conflict.

            Russia said unequivocally.

            "Colleagues" heard and accepted for execution.

            The opinion of the dill on this issue does not interest either Moscow or Domantsev's "colleagues".
            1. Temples
              Temples 16 December 2020 12: 11
              +2
              And finally:
              - Americans have achieved their goals in dill
              1. The vast territory of Russian lands is not controlled by Moscow.
              2. The enterprises of the military-industrial complex were destroyed.

              He only thinks that these are Ukrainian enterprises. All these factories worked for the Russian defense industry.
              The cost of restoring all lost production is high.

              3. The return of the DPR and LPR to the composition of dill entails the potential for the restoration of industrial production in these lands. Dill industrial production is possible in the Russian economic zone. The Americans don't need this.

              Slow conflict. The Americans recaptured the money that they spent on this project because Russian costs are orders of magnitude higher.
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 16 December 2020 12: 28
                +7
                Quote: Temples
                He only thinks that these are Ukrainian enterprises. All these factories worked for the Russian defense industry.
                The cost of restoring all lost production is high.

                Here I think it is necessary to clarify that we specifically supported these enterprises in Ukraine, because they had nothing to pay for energy resources, that is why we ourselves created a problem out of the blue thanks to Yeltsin. And in fact, back in 1995, the Ministry of Defense reported to the drunk that all production for strategic weapons was transferred to Russia, and the remaining enterprises in other republics could also be excluded from the list of suppliers within a few years by transferring orders to our enterprises. But this drunk didn’t even agree to this, which is why we didn’t develop some of the components of military equipment.
                So now we can't even stutter about connecting their enterprises to our order - it would be a big mistake.
                Quote: Temples
                Slow conflict. The Americans recaptured the money that they spent on this project because Russian costs are orders of magnitude higher.

                This is a controversial issue - we also excluded subsidies to Ukraine, and these were huge sums, so we definitely did not lose.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 16 December 2020 13: 17
                  +7
                  The outer border is very close to the capital.
                  This has not happened since the time of Ivan the Terrible, IMHO.
                  Until the game is over, the results are not calculated. hi
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 16 December 2020 13: 21
                    0
                    Quote: Alex777
                    This has not happened since the time of Ivan the Terrible, IMHO.

                    Yes, under the Terrible, we certainly did not have the opportunity to erase Europe and the United States into nuclear dust, despite the fact that they are spinning under our noses.
                    Quote: Alex777
                    Until the game is over, the results are not calculated.

                    The game can go on for a long time, but the result for those who have played has long been calculated, and in America they know it. And we know, and this makes it possible to look to the future with optimism ...
                    1. Alex777
                      Alex777 16 December 2020 13: 34
                      +4
                      The game can go on for a long time, but the result for those who have played has long been calculated, and in America they know it. And we know, and this makes it possible to look to the future with optimism ...

                      Belief in atomic defense is good, but no one has ever used chemical weapons in WWII. wink
                      And Donbass cannot be protected with a vigorous bomb. yes
                      But optimism is a great thing. There is no doubt. drinks
                      The border, anyway, must be moved to the West.
                      If I had my way, Germany would have stayed. smile
                      It is very convenient for us to trade across the border.
                      1. kytx
                        kytx 17 December 2020 10: 26
                        0
                        there was no point in using chemical weapons

                        chemistry is far from a vigorous bomb
                        chemistry is very difficult to use and the result can be completely different from what you expect

                        contrary to common misconception, chemistry is a very expensive, complex and dangerous thing
                        both in production and storage and in use
                      2. kytx
                        kytx 18 December 2020 10: 30
                        0
                        by the way, chemistry was used by the Germans and even our
                        very limited of course

                        for information in Leninka 2 catalog but .. you will not be allowed
              2. RUSS
                RUSS 16 December 2020 16: 32
                -1
                Quote: Temples
                - Americans have achieved their goals in dill

                There, even without the Americans, the military-industrial complex is deplorable, and why should the United States destroy the Ukrainian military-industrial complex?
            2. Noun2006
              Noun2006 16 December 2020 20: 55
              +1
              For frostbitten not adequate any of your arguments are not applicable. For immediate benefit, they will take any crazy steps. And even the republic was not recognized.
          2. Simargl
            Simargl 16 December 2020 10: 17
            +1
            Quote: Insurgent
            For almost open use
            Well, the light class can churn out themselves. Electronic warfare on the "Chinese" element base.
          3. Captain Pushkin
            Captain Pushkin 16 December 2020 17: 07
            +2
            Quote: Insurgent
            to act as a party to the conflict, using "the very same electronic warfare, UAV and ZARK" and calculations for them with us, a strong-willed political decision is necessary.

            To begin with, you can play a little foolishly - to supply the necessary funds through South Ossetia, an independent state recognized by the Russian Federation and the LPR.
      2. figwam
        figwam 16 December 2020 08: 53
        +8
        Quote: Insurgent
        with Moscow it is more difficult.
        You have a POLICY ...

        Hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens already live in Donbass, and there will be no hesitation here.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 December 2020 08: 59
          +8
          Quote: figvam

          Hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens already live in Donbass, and there will be no hesitation here.

          I am aware of how many people received passports in our country and in the LPR yes

          At the moment, 183 thousand residents of the DPR have received Russian passports, and another 250 thousand submitted documents are under consideration.
          In the LPR, as of October 1, the number of issued passports was 150 thousand.
          1. figwam
            figwam 16 December 2020 09: 01
            +5
            Quote: Insurgent
            At the moment, 183 thousand residents of the DPR have received Russian passports, and another 250 thousand submitted documents are under consideration.
            In the LPR, as of October 1, the number of issued passports was 150 thousand.

            This will be the guarantee for Russia to enforce the Bandera regime to peace.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 16 December 2020 09: 09
              +12
              Quote: figvam
              This will be the guarantee for Russia to enforce the Bandera regime to peace.

              God grant, Will and Determination.
              1. sgrabik
                sgrabik 16 December 2020 13: 11
                +2
                Without will and determination, it is impossible to achieve practically any goals, if we chew snot and hesitate to make quick and adequate decisions on a tough and timely response, then we will certainly lose and surrender all our national interests, and this should by no means be allowed !!!
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 16 December 2020 16: 38
          -2
          Quote: figvam
          Hundreds of thousands of Russian citizens already live in Donbass, and there will be no hesitation here.

          There are about 500 thousand Ukrainian citizens in Russia, so what?
          1. figwam
            figwam 16 December 2020 19: 00
            +1
            Quote: RUSS
            There are about 500 thousand Ukrainian citizens in Russia, so what?

            They are not separated by a front line and minefields, they are not bombed or killed for 6 years in a row and they are not promised concentration camps, they just feel good in Russia.
        3. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
          Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 18 December 2020 05: 32
          0
          Don't hesitate.
          Immediately to Kiev.
          Early re-election as the Nazis flee to Zabugorye.
          And sensible Ukrainians will decide what and how next.
      3. Intruder
        Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 32
        -1
        You have a POLICY ...
        even in politics, you and us somehow need something "steel ..." and the corresponding technologies and products introduced into production based on them, at the level of the latest trends in military affairs ... in our difficult and the time of troubles, especially for the outdated Soviet legacy in the form of air defense systems and reconnaissance with target designation ...
      4. Machito
        Machito 16 December 2020 18: 24
        +1
        Quote: Insurgent
        Consequences of the joint use of "Bayraktars" and jamming Mi-8MTPB in Donbas. What should Donetsk and Moscow prepare for?

        Quote: Bearded
        NM LDNR should take into account the experience of Karabakh and the work of Turkish drones. It is better to keep an eye out and find a solution in advance to counter the UAV.


        No matter how we watch, modern electronic warfare systems and ZARK, capable of counteracting the systems listed in the article, will not appear "from dampness", as will the combat crews of operators working on them.

        Therefore, I think the title correctly asked the question - "What should Donetsk and Moscow prepare for?"
        With us the question is clear, we have a war, we just need to prepare for a strike, with Moscow it is more difficult.
        You have a POLICY ...

        In 2014, a classmate suggested assembling a drone and going to Donetsk to bomb the fascists. For two months I searched the Internet for equipment: I found an American glider with a wingspan of 6 meters with a payload of 40 kg, navigation systems (GLONASS), software, color and infrared television, laser target designation, communications and control. The total cost is 300 tr. (a glider with a helm station, but without vehicles). But it never came to assembly: the sponsor let us down. And they didn't have enough money. In my classmates, I have one friend as my friend: he went to Donetsk with an octocopter.
        And how are things in NM LDNR with UAVs now?
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 17 December 2020 07: 51
          +2
          Quote: Bearded
          And how are things in NM LDNR with UAVs now?

          Yes, everything is the same. Few Russian samples are used as "strategic means", that is, rarely and with caution, in order to reduce the likelihood of their fall for various possible reasons in the territory controlled by dill.
          And at the lowest level - these are all the same Chinese "amateur" quadcopters ...
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 16 December 2020 05: 24
      +13
      Quote: Bearded
      NM LDNR should take into account the experience of Karabakh and the work of Turkish drones. It is better to keep an eye out and find a solution in advance to counter the UAV.
      And how to keep it out? Does LDNR have its own developed military-industrial complex or a full-fledged budget? What "blows with the wind" will be answered! LDNR can only hope, taking into account how VVP answered the question of the ukropagandist Tsymbalyuk, they say, where did the separatists get Russian weapons from? To which he replied (not literally), - "Tanks and heavy artillery" appear in hot spots of the planet from structures of states that sympathize with one or another party to the conflict. "
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 16 December 2020 05: 38
        +11
        And all the reflections led to the conclusion:
        direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.
        1. Profiler
          Profiler 16 December 2020 05: 58
          +3
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And all the reflections led to the conclusion:
          direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.


          On such a step of practically open military support to the republics, our government has yet to decide, discarding all the conventions that accompanied our hidden military-technical support to the LPNR throughout the years of the conflict.

          And as they wrote here above, our operators will have to sit at the consoles of our new systems (only they can oppose those named in the article) ...
          1. Intruder
            Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 34
            -2
            Such a step of practically open military support to the republics
            it was already ..., again the "humanitarian" columns of the Ministry of Emergency Situations would be pulled out !? :)
            our operators will have to sit at the consoles of our new systems (only they can resist those named in the article) ...
            more precisely, to their operators, but in our form :)
          2. Free Island
            Free Island 16 December 2020 18: 51
            +1
            And what is the problem to decide on this ???? Passports were distributed, there are now tens of thousands of Russian citizens, so the Russian Federation and the Supreme Commander will simply have to provide direct assistance. In 2008, the possession of Russian citizenship by 90% of the population of South Ossetia became the basis for a direct military attack on the Georgian-NATO troops. Well, of course, the protection of peacekeepers too In order to have the same legal right to interfere in Donbass and our passports were issued to a large number of people
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 16 December 2020 12: 34
          +5
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          And all the reflections led to the conclusion:
          direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.

          And we have nowhere to go, since we are so bogged down in Donbass. That is why Putin absolutely correctly put the question squarely in front of Poroshenko - if you try to seize it by force, we will strike with the power of our armed forces, because we will not allow to destroy the Russian people. Poroshenko silently swallowed, but the comedian will just put it in his pants if we only apply our videoconferencing to the painful points of Ukraine. So, of course, they will cock, but they will not reach full-scale hostilities - they know about the consequences.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 16 December 2020 12: 51
            +2
            Quote: ccsr
            they are aware of the consequences.

            The Yankees will push them, they say, we will help, the whole NATO! And they will throw it like Sahak 080808 .... And Russia will be declared an aggressor!
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 16 December 2020 13: 51
              +5
              And Russia will be declared an aggressor!

              It has already been announced that we have nothing to lose. wink
      2. Insurgent
        Insurgent 16 December 2020 06: 07
        +13
        Quote: Vladimir61
        What "blows with the wind" will be answered!

        Considering the specifics of countering UAVs and suppressing electronic warfare, systems with superior parameters should be involved.
        You have such. But if they are "blown out by the wind" without full-fledged calculations and accompanying infrastructure, there will simply be no one to work for them ...

        The calculation of OSA-AKM, or "Strela-10", cannot be transplanted to "Thor" or "Shell" ...
        1. Trapp1st
          Trapp1st 16 December 2020 10: 58
          +1
          But if they are "blown out by the wind" without full calculations and related infrastructure
          Russia is able to land bayraktars from its territory, with small kamikaze drones it is already more difficult, I think we ourselves do not yet know what to oppose them.
    3. RUSS
      RUSS 16 December 2020 16: 30
      -3
      Quote: Bearded
      NM LDNR should take into account the experience of Karabakh and the work of Turkish drones.

      What kind of experience is this? First of all, professionals are needed, the Syrians were equipped with Armor, since there, as well as in Libya, in total, about 20 pieces of Armor were destroyed, and mainly by drones
    4. Alien ...
      Alien ... 19 December 2020 19: 05
      0
      You can clarify: what experience?
      One solution: no-fly zone. Even a dead zone. Against autonomous remote-controlled micro-UAVs-ammunition-tele-jammers.
  2. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 16 December 2020 04: 51
    -7
    Whoever strikes first will win. Enough of rotten liberalism
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 36
      +2
      Whoever strikes first will win. Enough of rotten liberalism
      , well, well .... and all " world in dust ...":)
      1. alexey alexeyev_2
        alexey alexeyev_2 16 December 2020 17: 52
        +2
        Avot this is rotten liberalism, my friend. If this Moldovan cattle cow decides to fight with Transnistria, the Ukrainians will immediately sign up. And the Russian army will have to fight its way through to help. And the Donetsk people have already become enraged. Better a terrible end than horror without end. So that The choice is small. Fight or surrender. Wiping herself with snot. But I will have to fight. It's not for nothing that this Moldovan woman has been trained by Harvards for so many years
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 16 December 2020 20: 20
          +1
          It is not for nothing that this Moldovan woman has been trained by Harvards for so many years.
          and not only trained, not only ... bully
    2. RUSS
      RUSS 16 December 2020 16: 57
      -3
      Quote: alexey alexeyev_2
      Whoever strikes first will win. Enough of rotten liberalism

      Gathered in paradise, which Putin promised you ???

      And we, as victims of aggression, as martyrs, will go to heaven, and they will simply die, "Putin said. And added:" Because they will not even have time to repent. "
      1. alexey alexeyev_2
        alexey alexeyev_2 16 December 2020 17: 56
        +1
        We will all be there. We have come to such a line beyond which it is a shame. Not for one generation.
      2. meandr51
        meandr51 17 December 2020 11: 58
        +1
        Are you going to live forever?
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 17 December 2020 14: 47
          0
          Quote: meandr51
          Are you going to live forever?

          Well, at least I would not like to burn out in an atomic war now)
  3. Thrifty
    Thrifty 16 December 2020 05: 18
    +14
    Naturally, Donbass cannot be left to the mercy of fate, that it is necessary to help in the event of the outbreak of full-scale hostilities, primarily air defense. I hope that the Kremlin will have the courage not to abandon the Russian Donbass to be eaten by people and Nazis!
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 16 December 2020 06: 44
      +6
      I hope that the Kremlin will have the courage not to leave the Russian Donbass for eating
      This is if the Kremlin has not forgotten its own words about "God forbid" and "the threat to Ukrainian statehood." I hope I haven't forgotten.
  4. Titus_2
    Titus_2 16 December 2020 05: 26
    -1
    As always, Damantsev's opuses, although I repeat that sometimes he captures important topics, but steadfastly cram in a maximum of information in order to show awareness. In my purely personal opinion, this is not an analyst, but an indigestible presentation of information.
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 16 December 2020 05: 46
      +5
      This article has the meaning - gentlemen, tomorrow, according to the forecast, rain, take your umbrellas with you.
  5. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 16 December 2020 05: 39
    +9
    contributed to the emergence in the limbic lobes of the most ambitious high-ranking representatives of the defense department and the general staff of the "independent" powerful motivational driver for the development and possible implementation of much more sophisticated tactics of offensive "throws"

    This sophisticated verbal balancing act is also strong in the cerebral lobes!
    Well done.
    Today I recognized him from two lines, did you?
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 16 December 2020 06: 24
      +7
      Today I recognized him from two lines, did you?
      By title ... smile
      1. Name Surname
        Name Surname 16 December 2020 10: 07
        +3
        as it was removed from the tongue)
    2. Name Surname
      Name Surname 16 December 2020 10: 07
      +4
      new level of analytics))
  6. lopvlad
    lopvlad 16 December 2020 05: 39
    +7
    complexes "Bayraktar TB2", developed by "Baykar Makina" and passed a very successful baptism of fire in the Syrian, Libyan, Karabakh theaters.


    Apparently everyone has their own concept of success.

    Losses

    On July 2, 2018, a modernized Turkish Air Force Bayraktar TB2s crashed, most likely due to an engine failure in Hatay province.
    In December 2019, the LNA stated that it had shot down two Turkish Bayraktar TB2s in Ain Zarah near Tripoli.
    On January 2, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 of the Turkish Armed Forces was shot down by LNA forces south of Mitiga airport, near Tripoli.
    On February 25, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 of the Turkish Armed Forces was shot down by the LNA forces south of Tripoli from the Pantsir C1 air defense system provided by the UAE.
    On March 3, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 of the Turkish Armed Forces was shot down by the SAA forces in the western part of Aleppo province.
    On March 4, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 of the Turkish Armed Forces was shot down by the SAA in Idlib province.
    On March 9, 2020, Turkey's Bayraktar TB2 aircraft fell shortly after takeoff and burned up near the Batman airfield, in the southern part of the country, near the border with Syria.
    On March 18, 2020, the ANNA News team announced the discovery of the wreckage of the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drone shot down in the city of Saraqib.
    On March 30, 2020 Bayraktar TB2 PNS was shot down by LNA forces south of Tripoli.
    On April 4, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 PNS was shot down by LNA forces over the village of Alvashka, west of the city of Sirte in northern Libya.
    April 13, 2020 Bayraktar TB2 PNS shot down by LNA forces near Mitiga airport
    On April 16, 2020 Bayraktar TB2 PNS was shot down by LNA forces 10 km north-east of Beni Walid
    On April 18, 2020 Bayraktar TB2 PNS was shot down by LNA forces south of Tripoli.
    May 2, 2020 Bayraktar TV2 crashed into a residential building in the Arad area of ​​Tripoli, south of Mitiga airport
    On May 9, 2020, the LNA military information department reported that the LNA air defense systems struck and shot down the Turkish Bayraktar TB2 UAV in the al-Kabail area in Ain Zar.
    On May 12, 2020, reports appeared from the words of representatives of the 82nd Infantry Battalion of the LNA that in the vicinity of the Al-Shvareif area, LNA air defense means managed to shoot down a Turkish UAV. The LNA military information department also posted a photo of the wreckage, indicating in passing that the UAV was a TB2 Bayraktar model.
    On October 19, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 was shot down by an air defense unit of the NKR Defense Army. The NKR Defense Army has published a video recording of the Wescam CMX-15D optical-electronic system. The Canadian manufacturer has announced a ban on the supply of this system to Turkey.
    On October 20, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 was shot down by the air defense of the NKR Defense Army in the combat zone in Nagorno-Karabakh. In support of the information, the Armenian Ministry of Defense published photographs of the wreckage of the UAV.
    On October 22, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 was shot down by the air defense of the NKR Defense Army, a photo of the wreckage was provided by the Armenian Ministry of Defense. After that, the Canadian company "Bombardier" announced the suspension of supplies to Turkey of its Rotax aircraft engines [94].
    On November 8, 2020, Bayraktar TB2 was shot down in Nagorno-Karabakh by the air defense forces of the NKR Defense Army.

    In total, in 2020, 18 drones were lost and this is only what was confirmed.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 39
      0
      this is of course informative :), but what about the numerical data on the combat effectiveness and the number of successfully hit targets by this class of UAVs, for the same periods ???
      1. yaglon
        yaglon 18 December 2020 22: 01
        +1
        Over a thousand targets destroyed. Anyone can count on YouTube. Approximately 70% of the targets destroyed in the February-Idlib war and the Second Karabakh war are behind them, behind the bayraktar. The rest is about equally divided in loitering ammunition and Spike-NLOS, a very insignificant amount goes to the share of art and old ATGMs. Losses of Bayraktars (4 in Karabakh at the request of the Armenian side, 2 in fact) can be considered quite moderate.
        1. lopvlad
          lopvlad 19 December 2020 16: 52
          0
          Quote: yaglon
          Over a thousand targets destroyed.



          yes we know those painted targets https://versia.ru/tureckie-bla-bayraktar-tb2-okazalis-bezzashhitny-pered-rossijskimi-zrpk-pancir-s1
        2. Intruder
          Intruder 19 December 2020 22: 20
          0
          Approximately 70% of the targets destroyed in the February-Idlib war and the Second Karabakh war are behind them, behind the bayraktar.
          That is, these Turkish products paid for themselves and turned out to be more effective in a real theater of operations than any "classic" ATGMs, self-propelled guns and other types of weapons used in these conflicts !?
  7. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 16 December 2020 05: 43
    +9
    Only the last cook didn’t warn that the Donbass could repeat the experience of Karabakh and Moscow should look for a way to combat UAVs and information support from the United States and the West. And then Damantsev appears, who finally heard about it and scribbled everything out in detail - Bayraktars, EW XNUMXs and Global Havki ... Well, no one except Damantsev knew about this ... The whole article is nakalyakan for the sake of the same comments - "Well, yes, Moscow and the LDNR need to prepare!" Mr. Damantsev, find yourself a job already, don't scribble your nonsense every three days!
    1. Petro_tut
      Petro_tut 21 December 2020 23: 44
      -1
      Well, besides Damantsev, no one knew about this ... The whole article of the nakalyakan for the sake of the same comments - "Well, yes, Moscow and the LPR need to prepare!"

      The alarm must be raised before the attack, rather than after
      The Ars arrived in the holy confidence that they would win, and as a result they are now protected by Russia, and their statehood is determined by the presence of our base in Gyumri
  8. lopvlad
    lopvlad 16 December 2020 05: 58
    +5
    All of the above factors will significantly reduce the likelihood of successful interruption of offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without indirect or direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.


    and it was worth for the sake of this last conclusion at the end of the article to write something about which everyone has long known and understood.
    But the APU was prepared not to fight with the Donbass, but with Russia, therefore, the air defense in the form of beeches was pulled up to the line of contact. There are those who believe that Ukraine and Russia have been at war in Donbass for 6 years now. he pours into his ears and brings up children in summer camps for young Bandera.

    the notorious Mi-8PPA / MTPB electronic warfare helicopters, the restoration program of which was hastily launched in 2015-2017.


    frank old stuff, and as for the REB, it will "work" in the same way as the "POINT-U" "worked" in its time, so the APU hopes were pinned on this, but the hopes were not justified.
  9. nnm
    nnm 16 December 2020 06: 37
    -5
    curator of the public movement "Novorossiya" and military expert Igor Strelkov

    - you don't have to read further. Not only was he hiding in the basement and whining, he gave up Slavyansk, but he also rattled. Memories of the mayor of Slavyansk:
    1. nnm
      nnm 16 December 2020 06: 42
      -5
      Quote: nnm
      curator of the public movement "Novorossiya" and military expert Igor Strelkov

      - you don't have to read further. Not only was he hiding in the basement and whining, he gave up Slavyansk, but he also rattled. Memories of the mayor of Slavyansk:

    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 16 December 2020 07: 46
      +8
      Quote: nnm
      Memories of the mayor of Slavyansk:

      What mayor? The "people's" one that Strelkov, for his drunkenness and inability to monitor the infrastructure of the city as a business executive, put him in the basement and almost shot him, according to a not canceled (!) Order with some number from 1941?

      And what the Eugene, Petsya, Kolya, in the screen, what did you post?

      The mayor was - Glory , Vyacheslav Vladimirovich Ponomarev ...

      He is armed and terribly dangerous. But nowhere, not participating in any battles ...

      1. nnm
        nnm 16 December 2020 07: 57
        -5
        And Bezler, who himself put the whining Girkin in the basement for cowardice, also did not participate anywhere and his opinion is worthless? Or have you not read his opinion about him ?! So be curious.
        Yes, you even watch the interview of this miracle - Strelkov about what nonsense he is talking about his career in the FSB - well, it's just sheer nonsense!
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 16 December 2020 08: 14
          +4
          Quote: nnm
          And Bezler, who himself put this clown whining Girkin in the basement for cowardice

          Nevertheless, after that, having cooled down, and having figured out the role of Khodakovsky in the story with Karlovka and other moments that were initially "incriminated" to Strelkov, Bezler's ardor slept, and he, together with Strelkov, blocked the headquarters of the Vostok battalion of Khodakovsky, located in the building PO "Makeevugol".

          In 2014, the song "Battalion Vostok" appeared, and so the wits hum it in their own way - "Battalion nipple, battalion nipple, not a step forward" ...
          There are no complaints about ordinary fighters and commanders of the middle and lower echelon of the battalion, but there are questions to Khodakovsky ...

          And it is strange that the Russian side does not have these questions, even if the order was given to shoot Kamaz vehicles leaving the airport, where among the dead there were almost 100% Russian volunteers.

          Or here:

          1. nnm
            nnm 16 December 2020 09: 42
            +1
            Regarding the opinion of Bezler - he voiced it much later - when the shooter began to pretend to be, do not understand who, so it is not so about the fact that he "cooled down".
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 16 December 2020 12: 45
          +5
          Quote: nnm
          Yes, you even watch the interview of this miracle - Strelkov about what nonsense he is talking about his career in the FSB - well, it's just sheer nonsense!

          I will not discuss the figure of Strelkov, because this person has an ambiguous reputation, but the fact that he was practically the first to climb into the heat and took part in hostilities puts him head and shoulders above all forum "prosecutors". I’m 100% sure of this - the shooters are much cleaner than those who denounce him, if only because he was under bullets, and not on the couch during the most difficult time of Donbass. I would have looked at those who expose him, if they were in his place - maybe the picture would have been even more depressing, and Strelkov was not as bad as he is credited with. Although there may be different opinions about his ability to organize armed resistance, I do not argue with that.
          1. nnm
            nnm 16 December 2020 14: 15
            +1
            Yeah, I get it, Bezler is a sofa expert, well, ok.
            1. Insurgent
              Insurgent 16 December 2020 14: 25
              +6
              Quote: nnm
              Yeah, I get it, Bezler is a sofa expert, well, ok.

              Why twist like that? Bezler, relatively speaking, held the North of the DPR, Strelkov - the Center and the South.
              Everyone contributed to the fact that we resisted.
              1. nnm
                nnm 16 December 2020 14: 36
                -1
                Quote: ccsr
                Here I am 100% sure of this - the shooters are much cleaner than those who denounce him, if only because he was under bullets, and not on the couch during the most difficult time of Donbass. I would have looked at those who expose him, if they were in his place - maybe the picture would have been even more depressing, and Strelkov was not as bad as he is credited with.

                I am not you, colleague, but the previous commentator.
        3. Intruder
          Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 43
          +2
          miracle - Strelkova about what nonsense he is talking about his career in the FSB - well, it's just sheer nonsense!
          he can, who will condemn him :) - "he's a monument", of that time, plus" steamed "by the Russian media, don't spoil at all!
  10. riwas
    riwas 16 December 2020 06: 39
    +8
    Why does Ukraine not undertake major offensive actions against the LPNR, but practice "toad jumping"? He is afraid of the Georgian scenario, since Russia may move its troops to protect Russian citizens. In the event of an aggravation of the situation, the LPNR can recognize and openly put up modern technology, including against the Bayraktar.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 48
      -3
      He is afraid of the Georgian scenario, since Russia may move its troops to protect Russian citizens. In the event of an aggravation of the situation, it can recognize the LPNR and openly supply modern technology, including against the "Bayraktar"
      what ???, and where do the citizens of Russia live, on the territory of Ukraine, even go with Ukrainian passports in closets, so that "for every fireman" you could "change your shoes right away", under the muzzle of the AKA? Or has the Russian border already been moved, who and when and most importantly why, who needed it ...!? Openly supply modern technology to the Lao PDR, but will they be able to pay for it? It is this technique that costs money for taxpayers in Russia and somehow still needs it, for the defense of those very taxpayers and citizens of the Russian Federation!
  11. Li17
    Li17 16 December 2020 06: 45
    +3
    Somehow one small, although very serious factor fell out in the article! And the fact that all this is a very hectic economy near our borders .... This is understood by the smart in the country, and even more so by its owners!
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 December 2020 07: 13
    +3
    I always think something. It seems to me that here we are not talking about Donbass. Ukraine's preparations are already going against Russia. They will not achieve success. But the main thing is to involve others in this. The rearmament of Ukraine is already in full swing.
  13. Old tanker
    Old tanker 16 December 2020 08: 38
    +8
    As always, a lot of terminological "water" littered the topic of the article. And no concrete conclusions. This cannot be called analytics. Abstruse verbiage.
  14. Petrik66
    Petrik66 16 December 2020 09: 00
    +2
    This is not the same Strelkov, who every month predicts the beginning of the Ukrainian offensive and the defeat of Russia in the DPR, Transnistria, Libya, Syria and now in Nagorno-Karabakh. It's a shame to the person that they threw him out of the realpolitik and he toils in the wilds of the internet and croaks.
  15. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 16 December 2020 09: 44
    +3
    I recall that VVP warned the Ukrainian authorities about a large-scale invasion. Or did hedgehogs want cacti?
  16. Revolver
    Revolver 16 December 2020 10: 55
    +3
    All of the above factors will significantly reduce the likelihood of successful interruption of offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without indirect or direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.
    This means that there will be support. Because otherwise the Banderaites will arrange a natural genocide in the Donbass.
    1. your1970
      your1970 17 December 2020 08: 04
      0
      Quote: Nagan
      All of the above factors will significantly reduce the likelihood of successful interruption of offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine without indirect or direct military-technical support from the Russian Armed Forces.
      This means that there will be support. Because otherwise the Bandera will arrange a natural genocide in Donbass.

      Only then a global problem of all occupiers of all times and peoples will arise for them - popular anger well supplied by a third party with weapons ...
      A situation arises when the entire population begins to respond to the genocide, entirely ...
      When they begin to stick a pitchfork in the back for the patch of the terbat, without discussion, whether he was good or bad, he had little children or not ...
      It is impossible to defeat an angry people - only to exterminate, but the process of extermination will further embitter the people ...
  17. DMi
    DMi 16 December 2020 11: 05
    +1
    Strelkov has not yet issued a single prediction that has come true, and all his "estimates" have never coincided with the observed facts. Maybe as a regiment commander directly in the combat zone, he is good. But as an "analyst" and "strategist" he is a complete zero. And the possible short-term successes of the Armed Forces of Ukraine will lead to only one thing, a flop from the east will fly again and they will again crawl away with losses and snot. That's all analytics.
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 49
      -2
      Strelkov has not yet issued a single prediction that has come true, and all his "estimates" have never coincided with the observed facts. Maybe as a regiment commander directly in the combat zone, he is good. But as an "analyst" and "strategist" he is a complete zero.
      Vanga quietly, what to take from him now, "used material" and only ...
  18. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 16 December 2020 11: 28
    +3
    The article is funny, like everything that the author paints))) One correct word is Moscow. There can be many responses. The simplest is the deployment of several electronic warfare systems on the border. They will "crush" everything, up to Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye. Damansky himself invents horror films or together with Strelkov?)))
    1. Intruder
      Intruder 16 December 2020 15: 53
      +2
      They will "crush" everything, to Kharkov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye
      they swung something, as it is very rich, to the distance of Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk .... maybe immediately to Kiev, although the square of the distance even works there, it actually is - a constant value and does not depend much on the steepness of the "wishlist" objective physical reality ... :)
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 16 December 2020 19: 09
        +2
        You mean that a helicopter jammer can do more and farther than the one on the ground and powered by 380 volts. Does the square of the distance somehow correlate with the size of the antenna?
        1. Intruder
          Intruder 16 December 2020 20: 33
          0
          You mean that a helicopter jammer can do more and farther than the one on the ground and powered by 380 volts.
          What are you, sir - but not in life belay that on the turntable, honor and on the plane .. why did you get this !? :) there was no such thing ... request
          Does the square of the distance somehow correlate with the size of the antenna?
          correlates with energy, what does the size of the antenna-feeder device have to do with it, they just may be different, for different or required radiation patterns and ranges of the radio frequency spectrum and other "gloomy" radio physics ... winked
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 16 December 2020 23: 52
            +2
            So here I am about the same. An antenna of any reasonable size can be installed on the ground and powered by a three-phase network, with the appropriate transmitter power. The Kursk NPP is nearby, there is a lot of electricity. And on the turntable there is an on-board network of 24 volts and antenna dimensions of 1 X 2 m. What can it drown out? She herself will be drowned out in five minutes. If you are not aware, Banderlog has very big problems with the turntables - the life of the blades has almost expired or has already expired. And only one country in the world produces blades for Mi, guess which one?))))
            1. Intruder
              Intruder 17 December 2020 13: 41
              -1
              minutes. If you do not know, the Banderlog
              probably you wanted to write about the capabilities of the military-industrial complex in the part of the aircraft building region of Ukraine !? And so it is not clear what kind of "banderlogs" this is from Kipling's fairy tale :)) Kursk NPP feeding electronic warfare, monsieur tell me where you get these substances, honestly, I wonder if your ideas are very dimensionless, no offense (this is humor), just a then, with the consumption from the NPP power unit and how much this miracle will be built in Russia, 100-200 years
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 17 December 2020 23: 14
                0
                I meant that an electronic warfare station installed on a helicopter has the power that an onboard source gives. And ground electronic warfare, you can connect to the 380 volt network and pump the power that only the transmitter can give out.
                1. Intruder
                  Intruder 18 December 2020 02: 05
                  0
                  well .., not only the transmitter, there are also losses, plus the DN also does a lot and spends radiation energy on all sorts of additional petals, so which one cannot be used anymore, plus everything heats up not weak ... also losses!
  19. Sirocco
    Sirocco 16 December 2020 14: 25
    +2
    What did the president say there about the security of the Russian Federation, and the response to the decision-making centers to destabilize the situation around the Russian Federation?
  20. north 2
    north 2 16 December 2020 14: 27
    +2
    and I want to believe that if the materials and plans of the General Staff of Russia regarding the DPR and LPR were available to Strelkov, the content of Strelkov's analytics would be completely different. I want to believe that the General Staff of Russia had enough time to prepare such an action plan so that
    the issue of the DPR and LPR, and of Ukraine as a whole, must be resolved once and for all. I want to believe that this operation
    The General Staff of Russia is prepared in such a way that it would be indicative and that NATO and the United States would only open their mouths after understanding how Russia will act and how it is capable of acting to protect the Russian World and to protect those whom it is obliged to protect. And this means, defending them, to protect Russia itself. I want to believe that then the Americans and the current government of Kiev, which had already fled from Ukraine at that time, would understand that it would be better to lose a small part, that is, recognizing the independence of the LPR and DPR as the local residents wanted and demanded, to preserve the large and whole, i.e. .e the rest of Ukraine. But according to how many Banderaites and their masters in Washington decided that the LPR and DPR, and the Russian World as a whole, should become the slaves of the Banderaites, then the General Staff of Russia should
    there is already a map of a lightning-fast operation to rescue the LPR, DPR with any method of attack
    Bandera army in the Republic of Donbas. Perhaps such a plan even has a code name.
    "Catch the Fascist Grenade".
    Or am I too optimistic?
  21. Tektor
    Tektor 16 December 2020 14: 59
    +1
    You can act like this. But it is better if you use remote precision mining complexes with the creation of a passage for your equipment. The mining complexes should be covered by the Lever-AV helicopter electronic warfare, which in turn should be protected by the Yak-130 fighter. With such a cluster (mining machines, electronic warfare Lever, Yak-130), you can move in any direction if you use mines with the possibility of remote detonation. That will ensure the destruction of all enemy manpower in the offensive zone.
  22. yfast
    yfast 16 December 2020 19: 01
    -1
    contributed to the emergence in the limbic shares of the most ambitious high-ranking representatives of the defense department and the general staff of the "independent" most powerful motivational driver
    It is not clear from which area this is.
  23. Sergey Egorov_2
    Sergey Egorov_2 16 December 2020 20: 27
    +2
    If this starts, then we will need to properly fuck up the Armed Forces of Ukraine and be sure to hook the divisions and apparatuses of the staff and the British. To howl! It must be put in place, otherwise it is dangerous for the existence of our country. Go home s!
  24. mu1972
    mu1972 17 December 2020 02: 02
    0
    as usual the whiner of shooters dumped everything in a heap and sang his favorite song about everything was lost
  25. Dmitry Leontiev
    Dmitry Leontiev 17 December 2020 09: 10
    0
    Against the swarms of drones, fundamentally different missiles are needed than those that are in service now: they should be reusable - not explode together with the target (which may be much cheaper than the missile itself), but shoot it down, say, with explosive shells from a cannon, then go to the next target in the swarm, destroy it - and so on - until you run out of ammunition or run out of fuel. And when they came to an end - return to their base and descend by parachute (or, in a more advanced version, simply sit vertically). For this, the engine of this "rocket", of course, must be "long-playing" - that is, not a rocket, but an aviation one - as a counteraction to the swarms of unmanned aerial vehicles, it will be the very thing. Such a defensive weapon will deprive the use of drone swarms of all sense: swarms will be destroyed to zero by not very expensive and at the same time reusable "missiles", which will be required several times less than drones in a swarm.
    More details about this in my article on Zen (available on request: "The idea of ​​a reliable and cost-effective means of countering drone swarms").

    In the meantime, there is no such means, fighter aircraft must be projected onto the Donbass to protect against shock and reconnaissance drones.
  26. Cynic
    Cynic 17 December 2020 10: 31
    +2
    Consider all the latest publications of VO with a "bleeding spirit", no, it is clear that the new experience of "Karabakh" must certainly be appreciated and assimilated, but the tone of the publications ...
    But ...
    Russia is the only country capable of destroying America in just 30 minutes.
    The Russian President was asked about this at a press conference. He was silent for a moment, smiled and said: "Faster" ...
    Source: https://inforeactor.ru/344135-kedmi-putin-odnim-slovom-perecherknul-plany-ssha-razvyazat-yadernuyu-voinu-s-rf?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
  27. Zhenya Khazarsky
    Zhenya Khazarsky 17 December 2020 12: 36
    0
    Yes, there will be no raids by Bayraktars and other dregs ... The Air Force of the Southern Military District will quickly declare a no-fly zone.
    And let's not forget about the threat to the preservation of Ukraine's statehood.
  28. Radikal
    Radikal 17 December 2020 16: 03
    +2
    Quote: Bearded
    NM LDNR should take into account the experience of Karabakh and the work of Turkish drones. It is better to keep an eye out and find a solution in advance to counter the UAV.

    And where can you find it? winked
  29. av58
    av58 17 December 2020 17: 03
    0
    The war in Nagorno-Karabakh gave food for thought and decision-making. The Armed Forces of Ukraine are preparing for war, which, in general, is normal for any army, but the armies of Novorossiya and Russian headquarters, I hope, do not smoke bamboo.
  30. APASUS
    APASUS 17 December 2020 18: 05
    0
    As for the information and operational-tactical support from the US Air Force command, here we are talking about providing a comprehensive situational awareness of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine about any actions of the units of the 1st and 2nd army corps of the People's Militia of the LDNR both near the contact line and in the depth of the rear zones of the Donbass theater of operations This opportunity is achieved through the implementation of detailed optical-electronic and all-weather radar reconnaissance of the surface area of ​​this theater of operations using multispectral long-focus optical-electronic complexes SYERS-B / C and airborne AFAR side-scan radars AN / ZPY-2 MP-RTIP strategic drones RQ-4B "Global Hawk",

    This will already be a different conflict, level and intensity more. That is why the RQ-4B "Global Hawk" is unlikely to come up to that distance to see something.
    In general, the question is interesting, has Ukraine received enough funds for the war and will be able to sustain it economically? I doubt very much
  31. Dkuznecov
    Dkuznecov 17 December 2020 20: 51
    0
    Moscow definitely shouldn't worry.
    And the DPR and LPR will figure it out on their own,
    without a nanny.
  32. grafskaiapristan
    grafskaiapristan 17 December 2020 23: 09
    0
    Well, if Strelkov is already a great strategist, then our affairs are really deplorable. Dear enough to carry the dregs, it's already a shame.
  33. Arnaut
    Arnaut 18 December 2020 00: 11
    +1
    It seems that they agreed that the Turks are building a plant for the production of drones in Ukraine.
  34. Gunther
    Gunther 18 December 2020 02: 37
    0
    Quote: Author
    ... the emergence in the limbic lobes of the most ambitious high-ranking representatives of the defense department and the general staff of the "independent" the most powerful motivational driver]

    wassat
    "friend Arkady do not speak nicely" Turgenev.
    lol
    I would like to add - speak correctly, in Russian, do not bear the Renix, littering the Russian language with ugly anglicisms.
  35. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
    Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 18 December 2020 05: 26
    0
    To the defense and further to arresting the APU strike.
    Well, and there it is not far from Kiev.
  36. Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 20 December 2020 05: 18
    0
    We need to shoot down American drones. And ukrov warn about the consequences of their use. Establish a no-fly zone for them, including the territory of the so-called. Ukraine.
  37. tank64rus
    tank64rus 20 December 2020 16: 11
    0
    Just openly spitting on all opinions, redeploy effective air defense and fire weapons to firing positions and everyone will slowly be blown away.
  38. Gaiful
    Gaiful 21 December 2020 00: 10
    0
    Finally, ours will begin after that to develop intelligence and command facilities, which have practically not been developed since the times of the USSR.
  39. In a d and m
    In a d and m 21 December 2020 20: 30
    0
    So what?
    It is clear that the mobilized army of Ukraine is stronger than the army corps of the LPR and without the Bayraktar.
    Russia, through the lips of the president, warned Ukraine: if you stick your head around, you will lose statehood.
    ...
    Nothing has changed since then, Bayraktars, helicopters, and even the Unclean One with all his army.
    The deal will be with Russia!
    ...
    And the alarmist who escaped from Slavyansk would have kept quiet better. The price of his words is small.