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In Ukraine, they are proud of the creation of an armored vehicle, which consists of 70 percent of domestic components

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The private company Praktika, within the framework of the 2020 state defense order, shipped a batch of armored vehicles to the Ukrainian armed forces. The transfer of the Ukrainian armored combat vehicles (AFV) "Kazak-2" to the army was timed to coincide with the Day of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, which has been celebrated on December 1997 since 12.


According to the company, the order was completed ahead of schedule. More than 40 special armored vehicles were transferred to the troops.

We are especially proud that the overwhelming majority of components and components used for the manufacture of "Kazak-2" are domestic production and supplied by a dozen Ukrainian enterprises.

- said in the message of the press service of the enterprise.

They claim that 70 percent of the "Cossack-2" is a Ukrainian car.

In Ukraine, they are proud that they made an armored car consisting of 70% of domestic components, but not everything is clear and not everything fits together.

The armored vehicle began to be produced in 2014 on the chassis of the Italian truck Iveco EuroCargo 150 E28. Accordingly, the cars were equipped with engines made in Italy. The car also had Finnish armor, a Turkish ventilation system and other foreign components.

These armored vehicles were adopted by the Armed Forces of Ukraine in 2017, it was then that the first batch of "Cossack-2" was delivered.


At the beginning of last year, the cost of cars was 8,4 million hryvnia (22 million rubles). But by the end of 2019, the Armed Forces of Ukraine signed a contract with the company for 50 armored vehicles at a price of 9,4 million hryvnia (24,5 million rubles) each. When the manufacturer was accused of unreasonable rise in price, the Praktika company stated that the high cost was due to the growth of the dollar. They say that 80 percent of the equipment consists of foreign parts purchased for foreign currency.

And a year later, at the end of 2020, the same car, according to the manufacturer, consists of domestic components not by 20 percent, as at the end of last year, but by all 70 ...

Thus, one of the options can be assumed. Perhaps, in 2020, an economic miracle took place in Ukraine, for which Russian import substitution is not a candle. But somehow this is doubtful, especially given the pandemic and quarantine.

Well, if the enterprise really managed to achieve such amazing results, then what explains such a difference in price - one million hryvnia (2,6 million rubles) per unit of equipment? This gap in prices is very much like a banal pullback. Although, maybe this is not the case, and among the officials of the military department responsible for procurement, only crystal honest people and real patriots of Ukraine work.

But it's probably much simpler. The company simply created such a fundamental "import substitution", continuing, as before, to purchase components of foreign production.
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  1. lopvlad
    lopvlad 13 December 2020 19: 05
    +6
    Guess what distinguishes an ordinary car from an armored one. Correctly, the same notorious armor and it remained on the Finnish "Cossack-2"

    The body of the armored vehicle is welded, made of steel armor plates located at an angle (manufactured by the Finnish company "Miilux")
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 December 2020 19: 15
      +3
      Quote: lopvlad
      and she, as she was, remained on the "Cossack-2" Finnish

      But where can they get theirs, especially in just a year
      1. figwam
        figwam 13 December 2020 19: 25
        +1
        I traveled along the sand, and if the dirt gets caught, I'm sure it will get stuck 100%, because it's 15 tons.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 19: 39
          +6
          Quote: figvam
          and if dirt gets caught, I am 100% sure it will get stuck,

          But our tanks are not afraid of dirt
          And not only tanks
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      2. venik
        venik 13 December 2020 22: 57
        +7
        Quote: Lipchanin
        But where can they get theirs, especially in just a year

        =========
        It's funny! But once Ukraine was one of the 5 largest world steel producers (including armor)! There were times!

        request
    2. Svetlana
      Svetlana 13 December 2020 20: 09
      +4
      Guess what distinguishes an ordinary car from an armored one. That's right, the same notorious armor ...

      Let's be honest, because of the mass of armor plates, many structural elements have to be reinforced. If, for example, you put enough armor on the UAZ, it will stop driving normally.
      1. Avior
        Avior 13 December 2020 21: 01
        +7
        In fact, it has a monocoque body made of armor plates; the old version had attached armor.
      2. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 December 2020 21: 44
        +2
        Quote: Svetlana
        If, for example, you put enough armor on the UAZ, it will stop driving normally.

        Of course, just like a penny on a "Zhigul", put 5 sacks of potatoes in the trunk, it will not go well either. The Sumerians followed this path.
    3. poquello
      poquello 13 December 2020 22: 54
      -2
      Quote: lopvlad
      Guess what distinguishes an ordinary car from an armored one. Correctly, the same notorious armor and it remained on the Finnish "Cossack-2"

      The body of the armored vehicle is welded, made of steel armor plates located at an angle (manufactured by the Finnish company "Miilux")

      maybe the armor is already produced by the company "Milyukhskie lads", and a million is stamps, papers, labels in the west to print, well, for work (stamps are also work)
  2. Finches
    Finches 13 December 2020 19: 05
    0
    "The armored vehicle began to be produced in 2014 on the chassis of the Italian truck Iveco EuroCargo 150 E28. Accordingly, the vehicles were equipped with engines made in Italy. The car also had Finnish armor, Turkish ventilation system and other foreign components."
    They simply, as always, exaggerate, passing off wishful thinking - in 70% of domestic parts, Ukrainians assume a crew of a pair of garnished carcasses with settlers! But this is not entirely true - a maximum of 30%, taking into account all the independent offal! laughing
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 December 2020 19: 15
      +2
      Quote: Finches
      maximum 30%, taking into account the entire square offal!

      Will fatten the crew up to 70%
      1. Finches
        Finches 13 December 2020 19: 20
        +1
        This is an option!
      2. Russ
        Russ 13 December 2020 19: 20
        +3
        Cheeks puffed out ... wink would not crack ....
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 19: 35
          +2
          Quote: Russia
          Cheeks puffed out ... wouldn't crack ...

          Yes, they niduyut them every day for any reason.
          Sumerians ...
    2. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 13 December 2020 19: 35
      +7
      Well, the outskirts have their own laws of physics and mathematics (the kebenemateque, probably). But maybe you Eugene noticed that all these sheds are equipped with protective towers for the shooters-observers. We have on all armored cars the shooter has a wind in his mug with a pancake hatch behind his back for ricochets and all proletarian (from the word flies) pride from the manufacturer.

      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 13 December 2020 19: 44
        -2
        And this "Kozak" is the only armored vehicle that has passed real tests by detonation at a land mine. Moreover, it went well.
      2. Finches
        Finches 13 December 2020 19: 52
        -2
        The key requirement for an armored car is the protection of the crew and equipment, but if you look at the experience of the Syrian company, the main ISIS combat vehicle is the Jihad Mobile - an extremely dangerous weapon designed to destroy as many people as possible - and it is assembled from improvised means ... But I'm not talking about that - in Russia, various layouts are created for various armored vehicles from the Typhoon family: from bulletproof and mine protection of the crew, cargo, entrails ..., to enhanced armor of the cockpit forehead, providing protection from 30-mm shells, from mine detonation weighing at least 8 kg in TNT equivalent anywhere under the bottom and the wheel and a special hydropneumatic suspension, which is capable of "pressing" the wheels when passing irregularities. It all depends on the goals and objectives of the operation. And you don't have to show off especially at the parade!
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 13 December 2020 20: 04
        +2
        Quote: zadorin1974
        equipped with defense towers for observer shooters

        I would not say that these are towers, a couple of screens on the side.
      4. Russ
        Russ 13 December 2020 20: 25
        +3
        Banners, banners, why are they red ???? recourse
      5. yura9113
        yura9113 13 December 2020 21: 59
        +2
        good day! they took it off the tongue, I also immediately caught the eye of the machine gunner's all-round protection, they made the right conclusions since 2014, ours would be like that, otherwise all the winds are going to evil (((
      6. yura9113
        yura9113 13 December 2020 21: 59
        +1
        good day! They took it off my tongue, I also immediately caught my eye the all-round protection of the machine gunner with viewing slots (triplex), they made the right conclusions since 2014, ours would be like that, otherwise they all go to the winds for evil (((there is no lateral protection (talking about the Tiger).
  3. mag nit
    mag nit 13 December 2020 19: 08
    -5
    Dung is too expensive ...
  4. Lord_Bran
    Lord_Bran 13 December 2020 19: 23
    -3
    Special kaklyak street magic. A detachment of mages of the General Staff of the GRU of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation has already sent a dispatch demanding the prevention of black magic outside Hogwarts.
  5. Vyacheslav01
    Vyacheslav01 13 December 2020 19: 26
    0
    A booth and clowns with him, that's the whole military-industrial complex of Ukraine.
  6. Mikhail S.
    Mikhail S. 13 December 2020 19: 31
    +3
    Components are bought from Ukrainian suppliers who buy them abroad.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 13 December 2020 23: 03
      +1
      Quote: Mikhail S.
      Components are bought from Ukrainian suppliers who buy them abroad.

      And we have something different? wink
  7. Well done
    Well done 13 December 2020 19: 38
    +1
    LED headlights? With Ali? Bonus "stink" in the salon was sent probably?
    1. Bshkaus
      Bshkaus 13 December 2020 20: 34
      0
      And you take a trophy sword on, then tell us where the stink is from and what kind of headlights
      1. Well done
        Well done 13 December 2020 20: 42
        +6
        And you find the production of semiconductors in Ukraine, and when you don’t find, think about where the headlights come from.
        1. Vovk
          Vovk 13 December 2020 22: 36
          +2
          Quote: Welldone
          And you find the production of semiconductors in Ukraine, and when you don’t find, think about where the headlights come from.

          LEDs have been produced in Kharkov for a long time.
          1. Well done
            Well done 13 December 2020 23: 01
            +3
            LEDs have been produced in Kharkov for a long time

            Don't be confused. Not produced, but sold. Straight clones of the Chinese, from Alik. Coincidence? What 70% can we talk about (according to the assurances of the "manufacturer"), if there are already jambs outside. And inside ...
            1. Vovk
              Vovk 13 December 2020 23: 30
              +1
              Quote: Welldone
              Don't be confused. Not produced, but sold. Straight clones of the Chinese, from Alik. Coincidence? What 70% can we talk about (according to the assurances of the "manufacturer"), if there are already jambs outside. And inside ...

              Why should I be confused if production is across the street from me. For your information, this production is already 7 years old. And the quality is normal, my lamps on E27 on these LEDs were covered by a warranty of 5 years + 2 years beyond the warranty. And they still plow.
              1. Well done
                Well done 13 December 2020 23: 46
                +4
                So what do they produce? Lamps? No. Plinths with plastic and electrics they buy somewhere, and "across the road" they stupidly assemble. In the best case, the packaging is domestic! hi
                1. Vovk
                  Vovk 13 December 2020 23: 55
                  +1
                  Quote: Welldone
                  So what do they produce? Lamps? No. Plinths with plastic and electrics they buy somewhere, and "across the road" they stupidly assemble. In the best case, the packaging is domestic!

                  I have LEDs for lamps across the street. Plinths with plastic and electrics are made by another production in Kharkov, there is nothing complicated there. Everything is assembled and sold in Ukraine under different brands for every taste, color, price ... the closest example is the Maxus brand.
                  1. Well done
                    Well done 14 December 2020 00: 13
                    0
                    the closest example is the Maxus brand.

                    And iPhones are also assembled in the USA and General Motors assembles Nexia at home? All from Asia.
                  2. alex_aaa
                    alex_aaa 16 December 2020 17: 20
                    0
                    Well, what are you writing nonsense ..)) It is enough to score the word Maxus in a search engine and this is what Maxus LED lamps are produced by the American company Maxus International Corp, at least as stated on the official website of Maxus. Delivery of the products of this company to our country is carried out through an official dealer located in Ukraine. There is also every reason to believe that the lamps themselves are also collected in a neighboring country, namely in the city of Kharkov, but more on that later .... ".. Have you already bought an American company?
        2. Machnamh
          Machnamh 13 December 2020 23: 13
          -2
          Quote: Welldone
          And you find a semiconductor production in Ukraine


          Zaporozhye city, 77 plant ("Gamma") Semiconductor plant.
          1. Lesorub
            Lesorub 13 December 2020 23: 27
            +8
            Quote: Machnamh
            Quote: Welldone
            And you find a semiconductor production in Ukraine


            Zaporozhye city, 77 plant ("Gamma") Semiconductor plant.

            This plant has not been working for a long time, there is no equipment, the shops have been empty for a very long time.
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 13 December 2020 23: 30
              -4
              Quote: Lesorub
              This plant has been closed for a long time,

              Is it better with us? They lost everything.
            2. Machnamh
              Machnamh 14 December 2020 01: 22
              +2
              Quote: Lesorub
              This plant has not been working for a long time, there is no equipment, the workshops have been empty for a very long time

              But it was humor. More than 40 years ago, this plant for its own needs absorbed even a nearby five-story residential building. Residents were evicted to the newly built "candle". And over time, 5 more other similar neighboring houses would inevitably have been bogged down. If not for the same with the 90s. In 1990, it employed 12 workers, in three shifts. Now there are offices, various entertainments, night eateries, building materials from abroad for trade, and the so-called "business center". And today the former factory outpatient clinic is being altered for another "business" one.
        3. Bshkaus
          Bshkaus 14 December 2020 06: 59
          -4
          And you find the production of semiconductors in Ukraine, and when you don’t find, think about where the headlights come from.

          And you, and you ...
          Do you want to say that we have OS for computers, that in Samara there is a factory that produces compasites, with electronics we have the best. "And you," even a UAZ "Patriot" to collect in a single copy, so that its door handles do not come off in the hands of the general and in front of the president can not.
  8. Dimide
    Dimide 13 December 2020 19: 38
    +7
    There is no military-industrial complex, and the troops are slowly saturating
    They write that 240 pieces of this particular item have been delivered for the entire time
    1. Lord of the Sith
      Lord of the Sith 13 December 2020 20: 52
      0
      The military-industrial complex, to be honest, sucks. The "western partners" are pouring in three kopecks a month so that this same military-industrial complex does not die, and to reassure those who want to cut and divide everything.
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 13 December 2020 21: 10
        -2
        And why should "Western partners" support someone else's military-industrial complex, as they say "to produce essences", is it not easier to let them die and sell their products?
        1. Lord of the Sith
          Lord of the Sith 14 December 2020 14: 44
          -1
          Think with your own head why "Western partners" should support someone else's military-industrial complex, and I will only hint - "Cold War"

          And all the same, the military-industrial complex of Ukraine - sucks. It was not enough to crush us in the Donbass.
    2. alex_aaa
      alex_aaa 16 December 2020 17: 22
      0
      Ukrainian infantry fighting vehicles were also delivered to Iraq ... There were even cracks in the armor ...
  9. Alanart
    Alanart 13 December 2020 19: 40
    +1
    Not a Cossack, but Kozak;) And with Reuben der Kozak, not such miracles are possible;))
  10. APASUS
    APASUS 13 December 2020 19: 52
    +1
    Mathematics is a serious subject! As soon as schools put a bolt on math, here are the first results:
    In Ukraine, they are proud that they have made an armored car consisting of 70% of domestic components,

    Transmission and engine - Italy, armor - Finland (here that they rejected on the BTR-4 "Bucephalus"), ventilation system and that from Turkey. Again zrada ............ what is the 70%?
  11. Rzzz
    Rzzz 13 December 2020 20: 05
    +8
    But I was always interested in what parameters are used to calculate the proportions of import substitution?
    By the number of components?
    Those. motor (1 pc.) - Imported. Nuts on wheels (40 pieces) - Ukrainian. The ratio is already 97.5% wassat wassat
    1. Engineer Schukin
      Engineer Schukin 13 December 2020 20: 31
      +3
      Well, Roskosmos, for example, says that domestic satellites consist of 70% of imported elements, that is, 30% are still domestic. How do you think, by what principles did they draw out this 30%?
      1. Narak-zempo
        Narak-zempo 14 December 2020 09: 31
        -4
        This is different.
  12. Bshkaus
    Bshkaus 13 December 2020 20: 31
    +2
    As if we are also proud of MC21, which consists of 70% of domestic materials. And the fact that instead of co-posits (with which the damned bourgeoisie broke off) had to be sawed under a tin. And nothing, even throwing caps into the air. I don’t understand one thing, the Russians, what cares about what Ukrainians are proud of? The country is dependent, what they want, they do, they have the right. Or does someone think differently?
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 13 December 2020 21: 59
      +5
      MC21 is still composite, only the composites are not what they were at first. A dural MC doesn't make sense at all.
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 December 2020 22: 05
      +3
      There is no need to tell the Russians what to do, Little Russia, this is a Russian land, albeit temporarily occupied, not a stranger to us !!!
      1. Roman_LKW
        Roman_LKW 14 December 2020 00: 06
        -8
        After Crimea and Donbass, you are already strangers to us.
        1. bukhach
          bukhach 14 December 2020 02: 46
          +5
          So we were talking about the land, it is not a stranger to us, but ho ... we are never brothers, there is no doubt about that.
        2. VORON538
          VORON538 14 December 2020 03: 13
          +1
          Go to sleep already!
        3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 14 December 2020 05: 35
          +2
          Ukraine was originally an anti-Russian education, a Ukrainian and a Little Russian are completely two different mentality, the first is a Russophobe and a mankurt, the second is a Russian with his own regional characteristics.
          So, Ukraine has always been not just a stranger to us, but initially hostile!
    3. Narak-zempo
      Narak-zempo 22 December 2020 10: 46
      0
      Quote: Bshkaus
      As if we are also proud of MC21, which consists of 70% of domestic materials. And the fact that instead of co-posits (with which the damned bourgeoisie broke off) had to be sawed under a tin. And nothing, even throwing caps into the air. I don’t understand one thing, the Russians, what cares about what Ukrainians are proud of? The country is dependent, what they want, they do, they have the right. Or does someone think differently?

      "Composites", wow, found a miracle among the bourgeoisie.
      Yes, even before the war, we had established the production of aircraft from composites. Remember LaGG-3.
      If you didn't know, plywood and all kinds of delta wood are also composite.
  13. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 December 2020 20: 48
    +3
    In Ukraine, they are proud of the creation of an armored vehicle, which consists of 70 percent of domestic components


    But of course, also the assembly at Soviet factories, which by some miracle remained after the sawing and decommunization)))
  14. Victorio
    Victorio 13 December 2020 20: 55
    0
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    And this "Kozak" is the only armored vehicle that has passed real tests by detonation at a land mine. Moreover, it went well.

    ====
    right there single!? ahead of the rest of the world, where is there the rest to think of and decide on it)
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 14 December 2020 00: 31
      +1
      Are we talking about Ukrainian armored vehicles or armored combat vehicles of the entire planet?
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 14 December 2020 09: 08
        0
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Are we talking about Ukrainian armored vehicles or armored combat vehicles of the entire planet?

        ===
        ? then so / And this "Kozak" is the only one Ukrainian AFV, which has passed real tests by detonation at a land mine. Moreover, it went well. /
  15. Avior
    Avior 13 December 2020 21: 12
    +7
    ... At the beginning of last year, the cost of cars was 8,4 million hryvnia (22 million rubles). But by the end of 2019, the Armed Forces of Ukraine signed a contract with the company for 50 armored vehicles at a price of 9,4 million hryvnia (24,5 million rubles) each. When the manufacturer was accused of unreasonable rise in price, the Praktika company stated that the high cost was due to the growth of the dollar.

    It's funny to read this fiction.
    In fact, the dollar rate against the hryvnia in 2019 fell by 15 percent, the car, if it has imported components, should have become cheaper.
    Everything is simple there - the price is different, because the cars are different
    Cossack-2m is very different from the old version of Kazak-2 with a monocoque body made of armor plates and other differences. Another car with external similarity.
    1. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 23: 37
      +3
      Quote: Avior
      Another car with external similarity.

      and yet how interesting is the proportion of details?
      If for the price, then obviously 70% is populism. The weight is similar.

      the more the Ukrainian military portal kindly provided information
      Iveco SPA delivered to Ukraine a batch of Iveco EuroCargo ML 150E28WS-E5 chassis, 2019 -63,8 thousand dollars per unit
      through the Polish company Texprotect Sp.ZOO, 12 tons of steel from the Finnish armored steel manufacturer Miilux were purchased for 100 thousand dollars.
      Texprotect Sp.ZOO and Gordost Sp.ZOO-purchased elements of running gear. (This Polish company is used as an intermediary by Practice)
      the most "domestic" military product made of armor on wheels is still the BTR 4 (IMHO) by share / weight / price
      PS judging by the plate, the chassis was delivered through the Russian daughter of the Italians
  16. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 13 December 2020 23: 01
    +3
    And a year later, at the end of 2020, the same car, according to the manufacturer, consists of domestic components not by 20 percent, as at the end of last year, but by all 70 ...

    The situation is approximately the same with our "import substitution". For example, at AvtoVAZ they constantly declare a decrease in the share of imported parts, calling Russian parts assembled from imported components. The dashboard is conditionally ours, but our parts are almost not there. Vesta and X Ray more than 70% imports.
    But we all laugh at others. It's sad.
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  18. boriz
    boriz 14 December 2020 00: 26
    +1
    Actually - a car for the police, to disperse the crowd. The sloped bottom of the armor is not. So this is not a war machine. Lightly armored truck. The chassis of the truck is overloaded with armor, therefore, it will not pull a module with some serious weaponry.
  19. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 14 December 2020 01: 32
    -1
    I guess there is a conflict with the end supplier. Roughly speaking, an Italian bridge is taken, bought by AAA LLC, painted with a raptor and sold by Praktika LLC. From the point of view of accounting, the bridge is already of local production, although in fact its redistribution is minimal.


    But if we evaluate from the point of view of paying VAT ...
  20. Gato
    Gato 14 December 2020 02: 06
    0
    according to the manufacturer, it consists of domestic components not by 20 percent, as at the end of last year, but by all 70

    So Ukraine is a ceevrope ... No?
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 14 December 2020 02: 53
      -1

      Gato (Sergey)
      Today, 02: 06
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      according to the manufacturer, it consists of domestic components not by 20 percent, as at the end of last year, but by all 70

      So Ukraine is a ceevrope ... No?
      Toilet "ceevropy"! laughing
  21. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 December 2020 02: 52
    -1
    Accordingly, the cars were equipped with engines made in Italy. Also, the car had Finnish armor, Turkish ventilation system and other foreign components.
    Only paint (and even that is in doubt!) From unnecessary. laughing
  22. Alexey Bobrin
    Alexey Bobrin 14 December 2020 05: 00
    -1
    Donbass militia will soon report what percentage of import substitution is there
  23. Kapkan
    Kapkan 14 December 2020 08: 30
    +3
    Some kind of rabid hate in the comments.
    For me, so let them do what they want, this time.
    Second. they have two advantages in a wheelbarrow, as for me, these are the circular protection of the turret and the rear doors that open in the counter-direction.
    As for me, our Tigers should have done it right away with all-round protection of the arrow, but the doors are a question for NIKOR, of course, but I consider it a justified decision to make the rear doors open against the move.
    1. Bryanskiy_Volk
      Bryanskiy_Volk 15 December 2020 15: 56
      0
      You got ahead of me with a comment regarding the turret. Praise to common sense yes
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  25. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 15 December 2020 21: 13
    0
    Finns make good armor a fact.
  26. GKA72
    GKA72 20 December 2020 14: 03
    0
    all these Cossacks, tigers, lynx hamers, ivy for collectors. Cutting the budget. That's why they are needed if there is a normal 4 × 4 armored personnel carrier, which also floats.