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On de-dollarization, the budget of the Russian Federation, oil and gas

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On de-dollarization, the budget of the Russian Federation, oil and gas

In short, for those who do not have time to read the entire article: no de-dollarization, of course, will reduce, and cannot reduce our dependence on the dollar exchange rate. Well, if in a little more detail, then our affairs are as follows.


On the budgets of the Russian Federation


When someone talks about our country's budget, you should always ask:

"Which one do you mean?"

The thing is that they are different, and there are many of them. A federal budget of the Russian Federation is being created, which is collected for the needs of the country as a whole. But there are also regional budgets, which are managed by the regions themselves.

Without going into unnecessary details, I note that part of the taxes paid by enterprises and citizens go to the federal budget, and the other part of such taxes goes to regional ones, where, in fact, the payers (enterprises and citizens) are located. Well, since most of our regions are subsidized (unable to raise money for their own needs), resources are also being redistributed between these budgets.

So, in order not to get confused in these intricacies, we will talk about the federal budget of our country. And also - about the so-called consolidated budget, which includes all revenues and expenditures of both federal and regional budgets, from which transfer payments between budgets are excluded.

Simply put, the revenue side of the consolidated budget is all receipts to all budgets of the Russian Federation, and the expenditure side is all payments made from these budgets to third-party organizations and individuals.

Let me explain with a simple example. Let's say we have 2 certain regions, each of which needs 15 billion rubles to meet its needs. in year. But the first region has a revenues of 20 billion rubles, and the second - only 10 billion rubles. Then the first region will transfer 5 billion rubles. the second.

When considering regional budgets, it turns out that the first region with an income of 20 billion rubles. earned and spent the same amount (20 billion rubles): 15 billion for own needs and 5 billion - to help the second region. The second region has a budget revenue of 15 billion rubles. (10 - from taxes, and another 5 received from the first region), and costly - 15 billion rubles. Thus, if we simply sum up the budgets of these regions, we will get the revenue and expenditure side of 35 billion rubles.

But in the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation, only 30 billion of revenues will be considered, that is, 20 billion rubles. revenues of the first region plus 10 billion rubles. - the second and 30 billion rubles. expenses (15 billion rubles for each region). Transfer of 5 billion rubles. from one region (budget) to another will be excluded from the consolidated budget.

On the role of gas and oil exports in the formation of the RF budget


So, if we look at the federal budget of the Russian Federation, it turns out that everything is not just bad, but frankly awful.

For example, in 2019, the federal budget revenues amounted to 20 billion rubles. At the same time, oil and gas revenues generated RUB 187,2 billion, that is, more than 7% of the total budget revenues. It turns out that without the sale of oil and gas abroad, we are going nowhere.

But, if we take the data of the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation, then the situation is significantly improving. The revenue side of this budget, including the revenues of both the federal and many regional budgets - 39 billion rubles. And the share of oil and gas revenues in it is already just over 497,6%.

However, there is an interesting nuance here.

The fact is that the budget considers oil and gas revenues only taxes and duties that are imposed on the production and sale of oil and gas. On the one hand, this seems to be correct, but on the other ...

As you know, for international trade, a country must have a currency. To paraphrase the wonderful statement of the cat Matroskin from Prostokvashino:

"In order to buy something foreign, you must first sell something to foreigners."

And only then you can buy the currency received from the sale. So, the sale of oil and gas accounts for a very large share of our exports, about 60%. Accordingly, the proceeds from oil and gas provide an inflow of currency, which, in fact, is used to pay for imports.

Why am I saying this? Everything is very simple. The fact is that a number of sources for the formation of the budget revenues are directly related to the volume of imports imported into the country. These are value added tax (VAT) on imported goods, import excise taxes and customs duties. In total, in 2019, our budget received 3638,4 billion rubles. such income.

That is, it should be understood that trade in oil and gas brings the federal budget of the Russian Federation not only direct income from taxes and fees for the sale of these minerals, but also indirect. Thanks to the inflow of foreign exchange from oil and gas sales, our business gets the opportunity to buy and import foreign goods into the country. By doing this, business naturally pays taxes to the RF budget.

In other words, if suddenly (due to some catastrophe) we cannot sell oil and gas abroad, then the volume of our imports will sharply decrease, since we simply have nothing to buy it with. And along with the decline in imports, the receipts of VAT, excise taxes and duties on imported goods will collapse.

What are the losses in this case? Everything is very simple here. In the same 2019, Russia's exports amounted to $ 442,8 billion, and imports - $ 243,8 billion. In other words, we are seeing an extremely surplus foreign trade balance. And this is good.

But suppose that oil and gas were not sold in 2019 a drop and not a single cubic meter. In this case, exports will amount to no more than $ 169,1 billion. And without spending foreign exchange reserves, we will be able to buy all the imported goods for exactly $ 169,1 billion. Accordingly, imports will fall by slightly more than 30%. And this, in turn, will mean that both tax and customs revenues for imported goods will fall approximately in the same proportion.

Thus, it can be argued that the total revenues from oil and gas trade in 2019 were not RUB 7 billion. (as recorded in the budget), and at least RUB 924,3 billion. In other words, 9% of the federal and 038,5% of the consolidated budgets of the Russian Federation.


This is how our country gets off the oil and gas needle.

About oil and gas revenues


But let's get back to exactly those revenues that our federal and consolidated budgets consider oil and gas. As mentioned earlier, those in 2019 were counted in the amount of RUB 7 billion. The main proceeds were provided by the mineral extraction tax (abbreviated as MET). A total of 924,3 billion rubles were paid. MET is paid for both oil and gas. But it is the MET for oil that brings the bulk of them: in 5, its amount was 971,7 billion rubles.

Is it a lot or a little? Everything is relative.

So, in 2019, education costs amounted to RUB 4 billion. Expenses under the item "National Defense" - 050,7 billion rubles. Under the article "National security and law enforcement" - 2 billion rubles. And on both of these items - 998,9 billion rubles.

Income tax in 2019 brought RUB 4 billion to the budgets of all levels. VAT for self-produced products - RUB 543,2 billion.

Proceeds from the MET in 2019 amounted to 15,1% of all revenues of the consolidated budget and 29,6% of the federal budget. Generally speaking, the figure is colossal.

Procedure for calculating severance tax


But the most interesting thing is the procedure for determining the amounts of mineral extraction tax to be paid to the budget. The peculiarity of this tax is that it is levied on every ton of oil produced, regardless of whether it goes for domestic consumption or for export.

The formula for calculating the "oil" MET:

MET per tonne of oil produced = Price coefficient * Standard MET rate - Production specificity coefficient

What is it all about? I must say right away that we are not interested in the production feature coefficient - this is a very specific thing, the value of which depends on many parameters. What is important for us is that this coefficient can take both negative and positive values. In other words, he is able to both reduce and increase the amount of tax.

According to some estimates, on average, it increases the MET per tonne of oil produced by about 400 rubles. And taking into account the fact that, for example, the average for 2018 MET was 12 rubles / ton, in general, its effect is not too significant.

The main tax amount is formed by part of the formula:

"Price coefficient * Standard MET rate".

At the same time, the standard rate is fixed. Since 2017, it has been 919 rubles.

Thus, of all three components of the formula, the determining factor for the size of the MET is the price coefficient, which in March 2019, for example, was 12,72.

This coefficient is calculated as follows:

Price coefficient (Кц) = (Price of a barrel of Urals in dollars - 15) * USD exchange rate / 261

Simply put, our most important MET tax (and hence the budget of the Russian Federation) directly and seriously depends on two indicators: the price of oil on foreign markets (and in dollars!) And the exchange rate of the US dollar against the ruble.

What does this mean?

Suppose the price of a barrel of oil was 65 US dollars at the exchange rate of 60 rubles per dollar against the ruble, and the average production ratio was 400 rubles. In this case, the price ratio will be just over 11,49. And the amount of MET per ton of oil is 10 rubles.

Now let's imagine that oil on the world market has fallen in price by almost a third - to $ 45 per barrel. In this case, the price ratio drops to 6,9. And with a constant dollar exchange rate, the amount of MET per ton of oil will be only 7 rubles.

In other words, a drop in world prices by 30,7% will cause a reduction in our MET by almost 37,2%. It turns out the theater of the absurd - our budget depends on world oil prices more than the world market itself!

Let's look at the severance tax from a different angle. According to BCS Express, in 2018 the share of MET in Rosneft's revenue was 27,4%, and Tatneft's even 31%. I repeat, this is not about profit, but about revenue, from which enterprises should also pay both the cost of oil production and other taxes. In other words, MET can be safely considered the largest expense item for oil companies.

And what do we see?

In the event that oil prices fall, domestic producers, of course, lose a significant part of their revenue. How significant is difficult to say. Because the price of our oil on the world market is one thing. But the revenue of the oil company is a little different. Often these companies sell oil abroad through intermediaries. Or overseas intermediaries.

But the point is that the losses of oil producers from the decline in world prices are limited to the volumes of oil exported: world oil prices do not affect our domestic prices in any way. Explaining the reasons why this is so will lead us into too distant jungle. But everyone living in the Russian Federation knows that fuel prices in our country rise in two cases: when world oil prices rise, and when they fall. However, they can increase even with unchanged world oil prices, because nothing is impossible for us!

As a result, the severance tax, in fact, supports the domestic producer. As soon as prices on the world market go down, losses in oil export supplies for our oilmen will be immediately compensated by a reduction in their main tax, and for the entire volume of oil they produce.

And what to do? They are so poor, these oilmen, they are eating their last piece of bread. Who else should the state help if not them?

However, the federal budget of the Russian Federation suffers. And he suffers very much. And the budget in our state is sacred.

How can you "correct" the budget? Well, of course, "playing" the second main component of the mineral extraction tax calculation formula. Namely, the dollar exchange rate.

But we will talk about how this is done and how it affects our companies - subsoil users in the next article.

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  1. Machito
    Machito 17 December 2020 05: 25
    +18
    For twenty years we have been getting off the petrodollar needle like heroin addicts.
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 December 2020 05: 47
      +10
      But everyone living in the Russian Federation knows that fuel prices in our country rise in two cases: when world oil prices rise, and when they fall.

      That's right ... the price of gas almost never goes down ... there is a difference at retail gas stations ... where only cash is refueled.
      I suppose the bankers cut off well from the owners of the retail trade with gasoline for service with a bank card ... the difference is sometimes decent.
    2. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 17 December 2020 06: 51
      -15%
      The article is complete nonsense of a drug addict. Why go into the topic, absolutely not understanding the process?
      On the budgets of the Russian Federation

      When someone talks about our country's budget, you should always ask:

      "Which one do you mean?"

      The thing is that they are different, and there are many of them. A federal budget of the Russian Federation is being created, which is collected for the needs of the country as a whole. But there are also regional budgets, which are managed by the regions themselves.

      Without going into unnecessary details, I will note that part of the taxes paid by enterprises and citizens go to federal budget revenues, and the other part of such taxes goes to regional ones, where, in fact, the payers (enterprises and citizens) are located.

      Author! Open the Budget Code! The BC is based on the principle of "cash unity", Article 38.2, that is, all the money goes into one wallet, but expenses are already carried out from different budget accounts.
      As you know, for international trade, a country must have a currency. To paraphrase the wonderful statement of the cat Matroskin from Prostokvashino:

      "In order to buy something foreign, you must first sell something to foreigners."

      And only then you can buy the currency received from the sale.

      ... ??? Why is it possible to buy something for Mongolian tugriks, but not for Russian rubles?
      Article "green as vitriol". Into her stove!
      1. nnm
        nnm 17 December 2020 07: 12
        +7
        Author! Open the Budget Code! The BC is based on the principle of "cash unity", Article 38.2, that is, all the money goes into one wallet, but expenses are already carried out from different budget accounts.

        Colleague, welcome. You do not quite correctly interpret the principle you have indicated in terms of the mechanism of its implementation. Look, for example, part 1 of Art. 284 NC
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 17 December 2020 07: 38
          0
          Quote: nnm
          Colleague, welcome. You do not quite correctly interpret the principle you have indicated in terms of the mechanism of its implementation. Look, for example, part 1 of Art. 284 NC

          Where, I am sorry, do you see the contradictions? The article you mentioned only says that the procedure for the distribution of tax is legally established. The principle of the unity of the cash register says that "money does not smell," that is, it is "depersonalized," and your penny that fell into the "cash" of the budget is just a pretty penny, and not "two percent" credited to the federal budget. The expenses will be shown in the form of the federal budget law for the fiscal year, however, as well as the estimated revenues. And it will not always be that two percent, you will not find the ends there.
          1. nnm
            nnm 17 December 2020 07: 51
            +5
            The contradiction is that referring to the "unity of the cash desk" you are in the author's text:
            The thing is that they are different, and there are many of them. A federal budget of the Russian Federation is being created, which is collected for the needs of the country as a whole. But there are also regional budgets, which are managed by the regions themselves.

            Without going into unnecessary details, I will note that part of the taxes paid by enterprises and citizens go to federal budget revenues, and the other part of such taxes goes to regional ones, where, in fact, the payers (enterprises and citizens) are located.


            you see, in fact, the contradictions absent in it. What, there is no consolidated budget and budgets of other levels? Article 10 of the BC says that there is.
            What, the author does not correctly write that taxes are credited to the budgets of different levels? Correctly writes - NK is a witness to that. So why, then, are you looking for errors in the text, where there are none, pulling an owl in the form of Article 38.2 BC on the globe?
            1. Civil
              Civil 17 December 2020 10: 29
              +3
              "The closer the collapse of the empire, the crazier its laws"
              Mark Tullius Cicero

              Undead bohato there is nothing to start. A. Siluvanov

              Mishustin, Siluanov, Nabiullina they have been in the Government since the mid-90s, think about it, 25 years can do nothing. Why are these people kept and promoted? How many times do they have to prove their own failure? There is only one answer - slaves do not have special knowledge to assess the activities of the government.
              1. Gene84
                Gene84 17 December 2020 19: 30
                +6
                Quote: Civil
                There is only one answer - slaves do not have special knowledge to assess the activities of the government.

                Do you consider Russian citizens to be slaves?
                And whose slave are you? Or are you not from Russia?
                1. Civil
                  Civil 18 December 2020 08: 51
                  +3
                  Quote: Gene84
                  Quote: Civil
                  There is only one answer - slaves do not have special knowledge to assess the activities of the government.

                  Do you consider Russian citizens to be slaves?
                  And whose slave are you? Or are you not from Russia?

                  How is whose? Vladimir Vladimirovich, I admit. You can't argue against the Truth.
                2. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 19 December 2020 21: 26
                  +1
                  Quote: Gene84
                  Do you consider Russian citizens to be slaves?
                  And whose slave are you? Or are you not from Russia?

                  I also think that the citizens of Russia were made slaves. and it doesn't matter if they know about it or not. There are practically no mechanisms to change this ... only in theory.
              2. pmkemcity
                pmkemcity 19 December 2020 05: 47
                +1
                Quote: Civil
                "The closer the collapse of the empire, the crazier its laws"
                Mark Tullius Cicero

                How does he know this "Mark Tullius Cicero", as it is in the "empire"? He was a citizen of the republic. A similar phrase was uttered much later by Publius (Guy) Kornlievich Tacitus.
      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        17 December 2020 07: 29
        +18
        Quote: pmkemcity
        Author! Open the Budget Code! The BC is based on the principle of "cash unity", Article 38.2, that is, all the money goes into one wallet, but expenses are already carried out from different budget accounts.

        Did you understand what you said? Apparently - no. I'm talking about the availability of DIFFERENT BUDGETS, you are about the revenue side within the same budget.
        Quote: pmkemcity
        . ??? Why is it possible to buy something for Mongolian tugriks, but not for Russian rubles?

        Go to Europe and try to buy something for rubles. Or for tugriks. Then maybe it will.
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 17 December 2020 07: 46
          -16%
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Go to Europe and try to buy something for rubles. Or for tugriks. Then maybe it will.

          Like they called me ... idor and sent me to Europe? If a tolerant resident of this very Europe arrives, for example, in Kemerovo, then most likely, he will be "sent" to the exchange office, and if he does not go, then they may be "attracted". I will continue with the words of Professor Preobrazhensky:
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            17 December 2020 08: 27
            +17
            Quote: pmkemcity
            Like they called me ... idor and sent me to Europe?

            "Note, I did not suggest it!" (from)
            Quote: pmkemcity
            I will continue with the words of Professor Preobrazhensky

            I am surprised that you are familiar with this work. However - pleasantly surprised
            1. pmkemcity
              pmkemcity 17 December 2020 10: 37
              -8
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              I am surprised that you are familiar with this work. However - pleasantly surprised

              Colius
              I am so pleasantly surprised
              what can you laugh
              and myself a little, but confused
              that you disturb my heart

              playful laughter with a pleasant sound
              my weary ear caresses,
              and the heart with a restless beat,
              surprises me with anxiety
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 17 December 2020 08: 33
            +16
            Based on your manner of communication (by the way, very characteristic of all the guardians of the current government), Sharikov is much closer to you hi
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 17 December 2020 13: 05
          -3
          Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
          Go to Europe and try to buy something for rubles.

          So in our stores you will not buy anything for dollars - this is prohibited, and therefore go and exchange your currency for rubles if you come to Russia. Well, you have arguments ...
        3. ZEMCH
          ZEMCH 17 December 2020 17: 34
          +2
          Have you forgotten about the Fiscal Rule, which neutralizes oil price volatility.
          The fiscal rule assumes the concept of a cut-off price for the oil price. It fixes the price of oil, above which revenues from the production and export of oil and gas fall into specially created funds and do not participate in the formation of the expenditure side of the budget.

          In accordance with the budgetary rule, the expenditure side of the budget does not exceed:
          - incomes above the cut-off price of the oil price;
          - oil and gas revenues;
          - the cost of servicing the public debt.
          Foreign exchange earnings are not obligatory for sale, this is the desire of the exporter, he may not sell if the rubles are enough to pay taxes, but spend, for example, on paying a loan abroad or for some other needs.
          link to the Treasury website, which describes oil and gas revenues for 2017-2018. http://datamarts.roskazna.ru/razdely/dohody/neftegazovye-i-neneftegazovye-dohody/?paramPeriod=2018
          1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
            17 December 2020 18: 07
            +6
            Quote: ZEMCH
            Have you forgotten about the Fiscal Rule, which neutralizes oil price volatility.

            no, I haven't forgotten. It's just that it has nothing to do with the topic I have raised.
            MET is levied on EVERY TONE OF PRODUCED OIL, and what does the budget rule have to do with it, which, generally speaking, limits budget expenditures?
      3. nnm
        nnm 17 December 2020 07: 59
        +13
        Quote: pmkemcity
        ... ??? Why is it possible to buy something for Mongolian tugriks, but not for Russian rubles?
        Article "green as vitriol". Into her stove!

        And what is the author, in fact, wrong? What, not foreign exchange earnings of exporters and loans are the main sources of foreign exchange in Russia? No, they are. Then what is the point of hyperbolization in the form of tugriks and a green article?
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 17 December 2020 10: 33
          -9
          Quote: nnm
          Then why hyperbolization in the form of tugriks?

          This is not according to the article, but an answer to the message that it is impossible to buy anything in Europe for tugriks.
          What, not foreign exchange earnings of exporters and loans are the main sources of foreign exchange in Russia?

          Did I focus the author's attention on THIS? Simply put, the budget is what was taken away from the owner of the stall, counted, shed tears and "printed what was missing" in the form of a receipt from the same huckster with an obligation to bring the debt tomorrow.
      4. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 December 2020 08: 06
        +15
        Full article
        Let's say you disagree with the article, why insult the author, especially since you can buy for Mongolian tugriks only in Mongolia.
        1. pmkemcity
          pmkemcity 17 December 2020 10: 24
          -7
          Quote: Gardamir
          for Mongolian tugriks, you can only buy in Mongolia.

          Everything is for sale! In other respects, how it is bought: https://ru.coinmill.com/MNT_RUB.html You are behind the times.
      5. Ilya-spb
        Ilya-spb 17 December 2020 08: 12
        +11
        And I liked the article! Excellent exercise for the brain in the morning!

        I realized that everything is complicated and confusing here. And you can catch a lot of fish in troubled waters.

        And there was also a question-idea: if tomorrow the state nationalizes the oil and gas industry, then the MET will disappear and the prices for gasoline will decrease?
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 December 2020 08: 30
          +15
          Quote: Ilya-spb
          I realized that everything is complicated and confusing here. And you can catch a lot of fish in troubled waters.

          It is for this that it is confusing to fish in troubled water.
          Here was the world famous Massandra plant. Previously, it belonged to the state, even Ukraine did not give it into honest hands. And yesterday, in 12 minutes of trading, for 72 million dollars, "Massandra" was bought by Putin's friend Kovalchuk.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 17 December 2020 08: 37
            +7
            A good passage about "honest hands"!
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 17 December 2020 10: 47
            +10
            Quote: Silvestr
            for 72 million dollars "Massandra" bought Putin's friend Kovalchuk.

            And how inexpensive! Probably lucky))

            What the dishonest hands of the Ukrainian oligarchs could not reach, the tight hands of the Russian ones are reaching.
          3. ccsr
            ccsr 17 December 2020 13: 14
            -4
            Quote: Silvestr
            And yesterday, in 12 minutes of trading, for 72 million dollars, "Massandra" was bought by Putin's friend Kovalchuk.

            You Crimean figs will understand - you whine that Russian business is not going to Crimea, now you are unhappy that a Russian businessman bought Massandra at the auction, which is clearly not an object of strategic defense. For the fact that he bought this property, which Ukraine considers its own, he will be sanctioned anyway, and even fined if it comes to international courts. So do not take the pose of a "benefactor" of the people's interests - when you lived in Ukraine, no one considered you at all, and now you suddenly remembered your "rights", and even try to moralize. Fear God, you have been poured in the next billions of rubles (by the way, how many trillions have you already been poured in - one or two?), Which could be used no worse than you in the Krasnodar Territory or in the Rostov Region, and you are not happy with that either. You got drunk there in Crimea, khataskrayniks ...
            1. New Year day
              New Year day 17 December 2020 14: 26
              +7
              Quote: ccsr
              You got drunk there in Crimea, khataskrayniks ...

              So, when the property of the country was taken away into private hands, they got drunk?
              The fact that Nikita is knocked out and doing what the Germans did not do and the Ukrainians got drunk?
              1. ccsr
                ccsr 17 December 2020 15: 21
                -5
                Quote: Silvestr
                So, when the property of the country was taken away into private hands, they got drunk?

                We do not live in 1991 - for almost thirty years capitalism has been in Russia, as well as in Ukraine, and you seem to have just come to your senses. And we do not need to whistle about "property" - property is something that belongs to everyone, and those who owned it under the Ukrainian government fed from "Massandra". Now it's just time to seriously expand the capabilities of this brand, and this requires investment. What difference does it make to me who owns "Massandra" if the quality of its wines does not get worse, but rather improves at least by planting new grape varieties and cutting down old ones?

                Business or business bandits?
                There is a difference between them

                Do not engage in verbiage, otherwise people may think that you have lost the tender to buy this brand.
                Then listen to the interview with Poklonskaya about the infusion.

                Is she a great specialist in economics or a world-renowned scientist? As far as I know, her prosecutorial rise was due to the situation in Crimea, and this is a slightly different area than what is associated with budget money. And so her opinion may be interesting to someone, but I'm afraid that she is far from a financial genius.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 17 December 2020 15: 29
                  +5
                  Quote: ccsr
                  Now it's just time to seriously expand the capabilities of this brand, and this requires investment

                  Expanded. laughing But the main winemaker of Crimea says that there is no real wine in Massandra
                  Quote: ccsr
                  And she is that a great specialist in economics or a scientist with a worldwide reputation

                  She's a prosecutor. This is both a specialist and a scientist. If you are too lazy to listen, then you can't be smart
                  1. ccsr
                    ccsr 17 December 2020 15: 51
                    -4
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    But the main winemaker of Crimea says that there is no real wine in Massandra

                    And who is to blame for this except those owners who were before the purchase of this enterprise?

                    Quote: Silvestr
                    She's a prosecutor.

                    And what am I supposed to faint from this?
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    This is both a specialist and a scientist.

                    She may be an expert in jurisprudence, but the fact that she is not an expert in economics is obvious to me. And in general, she is a "downed pilot", and how well everything started for her ... Maybe it is better for her to deal with the royal dynasty - there will be more benefits.
                    1. New Year day
                      New Year day 17 December 2020 17: 40
                      +9
                      Quote: ccsr
                      And who is to blame for this except those owners who were before the purchase of this enterprise?

                      He showed it in 2018. Or the Polovtsians are to blame laughing
                      Quote: ccsr
                      She may be a specialist in jurisprudence, but the fact that she is not a specialist

                      So she says - steal
                      1. ccsr
                        ccsr 17 December 2020 19: 15
                        -3
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Or the Polovtsians are to blame

                        No, it was the Ukrainian authorities who allowed the Crimean crooks to manage this economy. So they stole everything.
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        So she says - steal

                        So I say that in America blacks are hanged - and what of that?
                        Enough slogans - citizens of Crimea for work, the rest of Russia will not feed you for free. If you don't want to work, sell your property, and this is the slogan of the day for you.
                      2. New Year day
                        New Year day 17 December 2020 23: 33
                        +6
                        Quote: ccsr
                        No, it was the Ukrainian authorities who allowed the Crimean crooks to manage this economy. So they stole everything.

                        And they continue to work in their positions for 6 years!
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Enough slogans - citizens of Crimea for work, the rest of Russia will not feed you for free.

                        Hurrah! At last! We wait. Just don't get carried away with fanaticism. Provide Crimea with water. In 3 weeks she will be gone
                      3. ccsr
                        ccsr 18 December 2020 12: 51
                        -3
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        And they continue to work in their positions for 6 years!

                        Quite right - the Crimean government is so rotten under the rule of Kiev that Aksenov cannot find decent people in the Crimea, and they constantly judge the top leaders who have remained in their places since pre-maid times.
                        Quote: Silvestr
                        Provide Crimea with water. In 3 weeks she will be gone

                        I say that the Crimeans are freeloaders and are waiting all the time when Russia will present everything to them on a silver platter. And how did they live in Crimea up to the Crimean Canal and there was enough water, because there were a huge number of wells? Until now, some local crooks exploit them and bottle them, selling you what belonged to the Soviet people. Tell me how many new dams were built after the Maidan, the old reservoirs were cleaned, the pipes were replaced? Or is Simferopol and other cities of Crimea not constantly flooded with rains in the summer, which does not even save a storm? Where does this water go - tell everyone.
                        You are lazy there, you don't want to work, you all hope to live at the expense of newcomers, and just whine about how bad your life is.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 17 December 2020 14: 30
          +3
          Quote: ccsr
          that Russian business does not go to Crimea

          Business or business bandits?
          There is a difference between them

          Quote: ccsr
          Fear God, you have been poured in the next billions of rubles (by the way, how many trillions have you already been poured - one or two?), Which could be used no worse than you in the Krasnodar Territory or in the Rostov Region,

          Then listen to the interview with Poklonskaya about the infusion.
      6. Machito
        Machito 17 December 2020 13: 47
        +7
        It seems to me that Massandra is worth more than 72 million.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 17 December 2020 14: 27
          +7
          Quote: Bearded
          It seems to me that Massandra is worth more than 72 million.

          There is a collection of wines from the last century
          1. Machito
            Machito 17 December 2020 14: 34
            +5
            A wine cellar was brought to friend Kovalchuk.
      7. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 December 2020 14: 39
        -5
        What do you care about this deal? Together with Massandra, he bought her debts and, at the same time, crap to bring the office back to profit.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 17 December 2020 15: 29
          -4
          Quote: Vadim237
          What do you care about this deal? Together with Massandra, he bought her debts and, at the same time, crap to bring the office back to profit.

          Those who do not know how risky business it is and what losses occur in lean years or in case of grape disease are talking about buying "Massandra". Even your own personal plot of several dozen bushes may require such investments that sometimes people give up this business. And no one wants to think about how many debts Massandra had, even on land taxes - they still don't pay housing taxes there, and they think that this will go on forever. So I think the former owners happily got rid of this enterprise, realizing that they could not survive without investment, which is why they made the deal.
    3. nnm
      nnm 17 December 2020 08: 36
      +7
      No, they won't. Look, Gazprom is under the control of the state and that, at its filling stations, fuel is cheaper? The issue is not in property rights, but in the socio-political system. Although, normal state regulation is quite possible under capitalism. For example (and earlier in the Russian Federation this was applied), by defining standards and a list of expenses included in the cost price for calculating taxes. That is, the state says what is considered a consumer-paid expense and what is not (very conditionally).
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 17 December 2020 08: 51
        +6
        Quote: nnm
        The issue is not in property rights, but in the socio-political system.

        That's right! In a normal state, politics follows the economy, while in our country, on the contrary, politics is primary. All "Streams" are political projects, as a result money is thrown into the sea, buried in the ground, but there is no economic return.
        The impression is that the Komsomol members are repeating the absurdity of the old communists from the Central Committee: to help the whole world to the detriment of the country
        1. Machito
          Machito 17 December 2020 13: 51
          +9
          Quote: Silvestr
          Quote: nnm
          The issue is not in property rights, but in the socio-political system.

          That's right! In a normal state, politics follows the economy, while in our country, on the contrary, politics is primary. All "Streams" are political projects, as a result money is thrown into the sea, buried in the ground, but there is no economic return.
          The impression is that the Komsomol members are repeating the absurdity of the old communists from the Central Committee: to help the whole world to the detriment of the country

          Komsomol members repeat the feat of the Bad Boy and help only themselves in stuffing their pockets. Hence all the problems in the country. These are not bad people, but the elite is not the same.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 17 December 2020 14: 42
          -3
          ... "All" Streams "are political projects, as a result money is thrown into the sea, buried in the ground, but there is no economic return." There is not a single political project in Russia - they count all the money and no one will invest dummies, everyone will need returns and profits.
      2. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 17 December 2020 09: 56
        +8
        The issue is not in property rights, but in the socio-political system.


        And what, in Shtakhi capitalism is capitalism, and the fuel is cheap even drink, even swim. You can buy 4 liters for your salary. It's just that your capitalism is not the same ... laughing
        1. nnm
          nnm 17 December 2020 11: 10
          +4
          I just want to ask - how then, in your understanding, will the analogy with the cost of paid honey or educational services look like?)) Exactly the opposite? Will it turn out that they have some kind of wrong capitalism, since they are multiples cheaper here?))
          It's just that in a situation with gasoline you do not take into account many criteria - excise taxes, the volume of supplies to the domestic market, a cartel agreement, what is more profitable for ours to export than to supply to our country, etc.
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 17 December 2020 13: 05
            +6
            how then, in your understanding, would an analogy with the cost of paid medical or educational services look like?))


            Good question :) But just keep in mind that gasoline is a simple product. And education and medicine are complex services for society. It is very difficult to compare them.

            Will it turn out that they have some kind of wrong capitalism, since they are several times cheaper here?))


            My wife's cousin lives in Shtakh. Wife, two children. Middle class Everyone got corona sick. Every day a person comes from the municipality, who buys them food and necessary things. Separately, another comes, who walks the dog. Plus doctor visits for the whole family.

            I'm crazy. We sent the birth ward for 7 hours between hospitals, because chaos and fuckers.
        2. Machito
          Machito 17 December 2020 13: 55
          +3
          Quote: Keyser Soze
          The issue is not in property rights, but in the socio-political system.


          And what, in Shtakhi capitalism is capitalism, and the fuel is cheap even drink, even swim. You can buy 4 liters for your salary. It's just that your capitalism is not the same ... laughing

          RF is a banana republic, under the heel of American capitalism. We have the same capitalism as in the USA. It's just that the capitalist economy in the US metropolis and the Russian colony is different. The main task of Russia is to feed the United States and the European Union for their candy wrappers, printed on a computer monitor.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 December 2020 14: 44
            -3
            The main task of Russia is to feed the United States - This is what the entire trade between Russia and the United States is 13 billion dollars in total.
            1. Machito
              Machito 17 December 2020 14: 57
              +2
              Quote: Vadim237
              The main task of Russia is to feed the United States - This is what the entire trade between Russia and the United States is 13 billion dollars in total.

              And the maintenance at our expense of the European allies of the United States? And the gold and foreign exchange reserves? Instead of investing money in its own economy, the Russian Federation buys the bonds of the FRS (a private shop, among other things). And offshore? All our foreign trade goes for dollars.
              This is the point of our dependence on the USA: there is no trade, but everything is for dollars, and everything is under the control of the dollar printers.
          2. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 17 December 2020 14: 59
            +4
            RF is a banana republic, under the heel of American capitalism.


            I don’t think so, Bearded ... we are just sitting on the same table and someone has time to attract more. Helping yourself with your elbows and what you can.
            For example, we, as a state, suffer from the absence of political elites and the darkness of thieves in power. Otherwise they would have skated like cheese in butter. I don’t know how. It seems that the Elites are not the same either ...
            1. Machito
              Machito 17 December 2020 15: 33
              +4
              Quote: Keyser Soze
              RF is a banana republic, under the heel of American capitalism.


              I don’t think so, Bearded ... we are just sitting on the same table and someone has time to attract more. Helping yourself with your elbows and what you can.
              For example, we, as a state, suffer from the absence of political elites and the darkness of thieves in power. Otherwise they would have skated like cheese in butter. I don’t know how. It seems that the Elites are not the same either ...

              Ours is even worse than yours. You have nothing to steal.
          3. Gene84
            Gene84 17 December 2020 19: 27
            +12
            Quote: Bearded
            Capitalism with us

            Where did you see capitalism here? We have pure oligarchophrenia.
    4. Gene84
      Gene84 17 December 2020 19: 26
      +13
      Quote: Ilya-spb
      if tomorrow the state nationalizes the oil and gas industry, will the severance tax disappear and the prices for gasoline will decrease?

      laughing laughing laughing
      Under this government, nationalization will not occur. Even if nationalization takes place, the authorities will never reduce the price of gasoline. I don’t remember in the last 20 years that prices would go down ...
  2. Cube123
    Cube123 17 December 2020 09: 52
    0
    Quote: pmkemcity
    The article is complete nonsense of a drug addict. Why go into the topic, absolutely not understanding the process?

    This article is not a delusional addict. This is the surprise of a "tradesman in the nobility" who suddenly accidentally found out that he had been speaking prose all his life laughing

    Typical example:
    This coefficient is calculated as follows:

    Price coefficient (Кц) = (Price of a barrel of Urals in dollars - 15) * USD exchange rate / 261

    Simply put, our most important MET tax (and hence the budget of the Russian Federation) directly and seriously depends on two indicators: the price of oil on foreign markets (and in dollars!) And the exchange rate of the US dollar against the ruble.

    And the meaning of the formula, as follows from elementary arithmetic, is just that the price in dollars is TRANSLATED INTO RUBLES. And there is no hidden meaning in it.

    And in all these calls to "get off the oil needle" a simple thing is always forgotten. The seller's desire to sell something abroad for foreign currency is not enough. The main thing is the BUYER's desire to buy something in Russia for foreign currency. Western markets are so saturated that they simply do not need anything from Russian products (there are more of their producers than they need), except for energy resources.
    1. pmkemcity
      pmkemcity 17 December 2020 10: 16
      -2
      Quote: Cube123
      The main thing is the BUYER's desire to buy something in Russia for foreign currency.

      Precisely noticed, just correct - and energy resources, by and large, the same is not needed. This is evidenced by the unwillingness to buy these same energy resources for rubles. The buyer's market, not the sellers' market, rules the ball. They take a thing, and give a wrapper for it. Do not want - do not take, sell another! Only those candy wrappers that we call "currency" have not been such for a long time, because you can buy not everything with them, but only what you are not prohibited from (or allowed, depending on the law). The Soviet principle of parity in trade between states was in many ways flawed, because it was not universal, but it was honest, in the sense of fair. Today, approaching the window of the Western store and having "currency" in your pocket, you can smile for a long time at the checkout, but they won't sell you vodka because you are not eighteen, already later than twenty-three, before eleven, or the regional governor has introduced a ban on May holidays.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 17 December 2020 10: 41
      +2
      Quote: Cube123
      western markets saturated so muchthat they just don't need anything from Russia

      You don't need it from Russia, but for some reason you need a lot from China! How about saturation in this case? Too cheap consumer goods due to cheap labor? But salaries in Russia are even lower!
    3. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 12: 29
      +6
      Quote: Cube123
      And the meaning of the formula, as follows from elementary arithmetic, is just that the price in dollars is TRANSLATED INTO RUBLES

      At the dollar exchange rate. Only.
  3. Stas157
    Stas157 17 December 2020 10: 02
    +3
    Quote: pmkemcity
    Why is it possible to buy something for Mongolian tugriks, but not for Russian rubles?

    You can buy in rubles, but only with those countries with which there is a swap line in trade. Although the dollar is excluded in this case, its rate is still used in the conversion of national currencies.
  4. raw174
    raw174 18 December 2020 17: 58
    0
    Quote: pmkemcity
    yes, all the money goes to one wallet, but expenses are already being carried out from different budget accounts

    I'm probably shocking you now, but the author did not name the budgets of lower levels, namely the municipal one, and in rural areas, there is also a settlement budget, they are also accepted by local deputies, they also have income and expenditure. These budgets are included in the consolidated budget of the region. In general, the author is right.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 December 2020 09: 24
    +3
    Quote: Bearded
    For twenty years we have been getting off the petrodollar needle like heroin addicts.

    The comparison is accurate.
    In both cases, to "get off" you need to make a lot of effort ...
    1. Machito
      Machito 17 December 2020 14: 15
      +4
      Quote: Doccor18
      Quote: Bearded
      For twenty years we have been getting off the petrodollar needle like heroin addicts.

      The comparison is accurate.
      In both cases, to "get off" you need to make a lot of effort ...

      In order to get off the needle, you first need a desire (construction of pipelines SP-2, TP, SS - new syringes for oil and gas doses), then a treatment plan is needed (ideology, mobilization of resources and people, a country's development plan, etc.) , and the implementation of the treatment plan (development and financing of their economy, construction of factories, mining and processing plants, transport infrastructure, agricultural development, etc.), anti-corruption program (long terms of planting for theft from the budget, bringing to justice relatives who help hide the stolen, the inevitability of punishment without statute of limitations, etc.), the personal responsibility of managers (it's enough not to leave your own people and shuffle them from place to place), personnel policy (cadres decide everything, personnel training, promotion of talented leaders to the top, not their relatives, and godfathers, etc.), education and much more. In China - also capitalism, but under the leadership of the directing Communist Party. In China, the Five-Year Plans (Five-Year Plans) for the development of the country are still working, so they have such a frantic pace of GDP growth.
      And we have one talking shop. I'll go and listen to Putin.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 17 December 2020 15: 34
        -4
        Quote: Bearded
        And we have one talking shop. I'll go and listen to Putin.

        So you answered all your own questions - instead of going to work, you chose the path of the talking shop and went to listen to the one whom you yourself curse. Yes, the rest of the world will never understand the mysteries of the Russian soul ...
        1. Machito
          Machito 17 December 2020 15: 41
          +6
          Do I curse Putin? You twist. Putin has practically unlimited power, like Peter the Great. But the results of their work are different. And I do my job well. Much more effective than most ministers.
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 17 December 2020 15: 59
        +4
        hi I completely agree with you.
        In China, the Five-Year Plans (Five-Year Plans) for the development of the country are still working, so they have such a frantic pace of GDP growth.

        Yes, and to this day we are being fed verbiage about the weakness of the planned economy and the "great power of the market" ...
        And we have one talking shop. I'll go and listen to Putin.

        laughing
        1. Machito
          Machito 17 December 2020 16: 36
          +4
          The issue of Trump's employment was especially relevant. Is this what Russians care most about? They joke with fat.
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 17 December 2020 16: 45
            +3
            When they talk about Trump, Ukraine, Syria, Nagorno-Karabakh, Zelensky, Pashinyan, then ... few people react to the fact that a dozen doctors from St. Petersburg and Moscow went to Kurgan, since the locals quit. That a child with oncology urgently needs to find an undiluted tomb of the pharaohs in order to pay for treatment in Germany or Israel. Of course, more important is the employment of Mr. Trump, who increased the fortune of the millionaire father hundreds of times ...
  • Gene84
    Gene84 17 December 2020 19: 24
    +9
    Quote: Bearded
    We've been off the petrodollar needle for twenty years

    But in the end we get hooked on it more and more.
  • Crowe
    Crowe 17 December 2020 05: 54
    +18
    For example, in 2019, the revenue side of the federal budget amounted to 20 billion rubles. At the same time, oil and gas revenues generated RUB 187,2 billion, that is, more than 7% of the total budget revenues.

    Nda ... Our business is a pipe, oil, and gas.
    everyone living in Russia knows that fuel prices in our country rise in two cases: when world oil prices rise and when they fall. However, they can increase even with constant world oil prices.

    This sounds like an anecdote, and it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 17 December 2020 08: 11
      +6
      Our business is a pipe
      but the northern stream is frozen, the southern one turns into Turkish ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 December 2020 06: 07
    +4
    "For the first time in 44 years, lunar soil has been delivered to Earth." It is clear who delivered it. I don’t think that in the next five years all countries will switch to alternative technology. In general, the period for restructuring is very short. The USSR has built a base for the construction of capitalism in Russian. If there is love in Russian, then why not capitalism. If you recall the dashing, then everything Soviet was destroyed. Except for mines, mines, metallurgical plants. That is, the goal was determined, to become a supplier of raw materials. We get food from this. But with spiritual food, as it was "gop-stop-fat", Moreover, ignorance has gone on a broad offensive against education. Many examples can be cited. Andrei, but what about the budget for education and health care? The latter is important. After all, there are American biological laboratories around us.
  • mark2
    mark2 17 December 2020 06: 08
    +8
    Very interesting information in the article:
    So, in 2019, education expenses amounted to RUB 4 billion. Expenses under the item "National Defense" - 050,7 billion rubles. Under the article "National security and law enforcement" - 2 billion rubles. And on both of these items - 998,9 billion rubles

    Those. the military has enough for salaries and weapons 3 trillion. Is 4 trillion not enough for poor teachers? How is that?
    1. nikvic46
      nikvic46 17 December 2020 08: 30
      +3
      Alexander Okstis. For centuries this amount has not been allocated for education and will not be.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 12: 31
      +3
      Quote: mark2
      Those. the military has enough for salaries and weapons 3 trillion. Is 4 trillion not enough for poor teachers?

      Honestly, I do not have a decryption of this amount, but there are definitely not only schools, but also a university and, probably, all sorts of nonsense like various projects that generally have little to do with education.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 17 December 2020 14: 46
        -3
        Maybe all the same, these 3 trillion is for science and education in general?
      2. mark2
        mark2 17 December 2020 17: 30
        0
        I understand this and my comment was not so much on the author of the article as on those that talk about poor funding for education.
        Also, I think $ 3 trillion. For the military, this is not only salaries and tsatzki, but also other expenses and they have enough.
        And if teachers are really paid little, then there are two ways out, at least: to deal with those who distribute budgets locally, or teachers really leave the profession, as the LADIES said. People get the salary they agree to.
        I understand that general advice, and that not everyone can do that. But the process is already underway. Less and less young people are becoming teachers. Seniors are gradually retiring.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 17 December 2020 06: 08
    -16%
    As an ordinary, poorly versed in all these macroeconomic "dances", I have such a question? So, everything is so bad, it's time to pack the chumadans and fly to blissful America or take to the streets demanding the resignation of everyone and everything, and instead of the current leadership of Russia demand to replace on Mr. Zu, and the Minister of Finance, Mr. Grudinin. And of course the Minister of Defense Girkin, and ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 December 2020 06: 19
      0
      it's time to pack chumadans and fly to blissful America

      Who wanted to leave for a long time with the stolen money in the United States to the delight of the blacks and the tax services of this country ... among my friends there were such ...
      It makes no sense to go out on the streets ... until there are real instruments of influence on those in power ... today these are elections to the legislative and executive branches.
      The people have no other non-radical instruments to influence those in power.
    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 06: 34
      +10
      Quote: Mykhalych
      Taki cho, everything is so bad, it's time to pack chumadans and fly to blissful America

      Are you expected there? :)))
      Quote: Mykhalych
      or take to the streets demanding the resignation of everyone and everything

      Well, come out ... what's the point.
      1. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 17 December 2020 06: 43
        -4
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Taki cho, everything is so bad, it's time to pack chumadans and fly to blissful America

        Are you expected there? :)))
        Quote: Mykhalych
        or take to the streets demanding the resignation of everyone and everything

        Well, come out ... what's the point.

        So I repeat - I am an ordinary man in the street, I am presented with information with numerous numbers; promising to continue to press on the head with a digital load. Here are two questions: you, as an author, what is the task of presenting these layouts, eh? That I (a layman) would be puzzled by those who are to blame or ask another question - WHAT to do? hi
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          17 December 2020 07: 07
          +7
          Quote: Mykhalych
          Here are two questions: you, as an author, what is the task of presenting these layouts, eh?

          The task is very simple - to give an understanding of the real processes taking place in the Russian Federation. I'm not going to tell you what to do with it
          1. Mykhalych
            Mykhalych 17 December 2020 07: 11
            -5
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The task is very simple - to give an understanding of the real processes taking place in the Russian Federation

            So GIVE ME AN ORDINARY MANUAL an understanding, without these numbers you have collected, WHAT TO DO, and how bad or GOOD things are in RUSSIA !!! I hope I have explained my wishes clearly enough .. hi
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              17 December 2020 07: 30
              +1
              Quote: Mykhalych
              So, GIVE ME AN ORDINARY MANUAL understanding, without these figures you have collected, WHAT TO DO

              Take it yourself.
            2. aleksejkabanets
              aleksejkabanets 17 December 2020 07: 51
              +11
              Quote: Mykhalych
              So, GIVE ME AN ORDINARY MANUAL understanding, without these figures you have collected, WHAT TO DO

              Read more and educate yourself so that you can understand all these numbers.
              Quote: Mykhalych
              and how bad or good things are in RUSSIA!

              Then you will figure it out yourself with this issue.
              Quote: Mykhalych
              I hope I have explained my wishes clearly enough ..

              The wishes "to chew and put in your mouth" are understandable, but try it yourself.
            3. kamakama
              kamakama 17 December 2020 11: 15
              0
              Quote: Mykhalych
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              The task is very simple - to give an understanding of the real processes taking place in the Russian Federation

              So GIVE ME AN ORDINARY MANUAL an understanding, without these numbers you have collected, WHAT TO DO, and how bad or GOOD things are in RUSSIA !!! I hope I have explained my wishes clearly enough .. hi

              You have just seen clearly the situation a century ago. Before us is a bright representative of the Socialist-Revolutionary Party, who knows that everything is bad, but only theoretically imagines WHAT needs to be done and does not even imagine HOW to do it. We are waiting for representatives of the CPSU (b), who have a very weak theoretical base, but a clear program - HOW to do - Newspapers, telegraphs, armies-peace, peasants - land, factories-workers. Unfortunately, over the next 15-20 years, the weakness of the theoretical base will make itself felt, but this will no longer be so important
          2. Mykhalych
            Mykhalych 17 December 2020 07: 26
            -7
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The task is very simple - to give an understanding of the real processes taking place in the Russian Federation

            And one more small request to you from the layman: references to all your little tsyferki, as a person of the old formation, I am used to trusting facts, not unfounded words. No offense, but perhaps you are the authority here, but for me you are just "Andrey from Chelyabinsk." hi
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              17 December 2020 07: 33
              +11
              Quote: Mykhalych
              And one more small request to you from the layman: links to all your little chicks

              On the budget - minfin.gov.ru In order not to search - hammer into the search engine "Brief information on the execution of the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation and state extra-budgetary funds (billion rubles)"
              For MET - the tax code. If you cannot figure it out, then type in the search engine "Mineral extraction tax. Why are these 4 letters so important for Russian oilmen"
              1. Mykhalych
                Mykhalych 17 December 2020 07: 38
                -1
                Thank you.
          3. WIKI
            WIKI 17 December 2020 09: 39
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The task is very simple - to give understanding

            In your article, in my opinion, you forgot to mention such a budget income item as dividends of state-owned companies, which in 2020 will amount to 639,5 billion rubles.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 17 December 2020 11: 07
          +3
          Quote: Mykhalych
          I am an ordinary man in the street, I am presented with information with numerous numbers; promising to continue to press on the head with a digital load. Here are two questions: by you as an author what is the task of presenting these layouts, and? That I (a layman) would be puzzled by those who are to blame or ask another question - WHAT to do?

          Leads under politics. I decided to put it to the author. Say it is not necessary for the brave Russians to know what is unnecessary! What needs to be written is about courtyards filled with foreign cars, shopping malls and new buildings under construction !! Other information violates the strength of the fasteners and is categorically harmful to the balance of the boat)) The stabilizer is our everything!
      2. Mykhalych
        Mykhalych 17 December 2020 07: 06
        -7
        Still did not receive answers, you are the author that hid ??? Whoa !!!
        1. Stirbjorn
          Stirbjorn 17 December 2020 08: 35
          +2
          Quote: Mykhalych
          Still did not receive answers, you are the author that hid ??? Whoa !!!

          Buy dollars! fellow
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 17 December 2020 11: 40
            +5
            Quote: Stirbjorn
            Buy dollars!

            It's too early. I recently sold only! I took 68,2 each. Again I think to take from 70, if it gives.
        2. New Year day
          New Year day 17 December 2020 08: 38
          +3
          Quote: Mykhalych
          Still did not receive answers, you are the author that hid ??? Whoa !!!

          Everyone has their own answers. It all depends on being at the level of the social rung.
          Quote: Mykhalych
          it's time to pack chumadans and fly to blissful America or take to the streets demanding the resignation of everyone and everything,

          There is money, go to the West, but remember, they are not waiting for you there and will be dispossessed, if you want barricades, go, but know that you will not achieve anything at this stage, because the resignation of all and all this cannot be resolved.
          You can participate in sawing, but know that the rope will still have an end. You can just survive. There are many answers
    3. nikvic46
      nikvic46 17 December 2020 08: 28
      +5
      Mikhalych: Why do we perceive any criticism as apostasy and even betrayal?
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  • samarin1969
    samarin1969 17 December 2020 06: 20
    +13
    So, the sale of oil and gas accounts for a very large share of our exports, about 60%. Accordingly, the proceeds for oil and gas provide an inflow of currency, which, in fact, is used to pay for imports.


    It should be noted here that our "resident" enterprises have offshore founders. And only legal repatriation of income amounts to tens of billions of non-rubles a year. And foreign exchange earnings, like that donkey, "come in and out." The mining conveyor is working properly. It is sad that the "eye of Sauron" media calls on to root for "our" pipes. The author has highlighted only part of this "Jesuit" system.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 06: 33
      +6
      Quote: samarin1969
      It should be noted here that our "resident" enterprises have offshore founders.

      I mentioned it briefly
      Because the price of our oil on the world market is one thing. But the revenue of the oil company is a little different. Often, these companies sell oil abroad through intermediaries. Or overseas intermediaries.

      Quote: samarin1969
      The author has highlighted only part of this "Jesuit" system.

      Of course. You understand that it is unrealistic to fix all the problems in one article. She is already overloaded with numbers, not everyone will read and understand
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 17 December 2020 06: 46
      +4
      It should be noted here that our "resident" enterprises have offshore founders. And only legal repatriation of income amounts to tens of billions of non-rubles a year.
      Under the Union, simplified, if two systems worked that did not intersect with each other -
      1.calculated ruble inside
      2.calculated dollar outside
      If the founders of our enterprises were only offshore, it is still half the trouble, then the old Soviet dual system could work. But the point is that these founders are "direct". And they receive income here in rubles, they buy currency at the rate set for ALL, and this currency both flows out and works in their interests here. Both the central bank and the government benefit from this "multi-vector approach."
  • Hagen
    Hagen 17 December 2020 06: 35
    -3
    Trying to explain complex things, the calculations of which take many volumes, in a small note, though not by a specialist, a thing that hardly reflects reality. As it was said in the Red Army - a shot towards the target .... One thing remains unchanged in recent publications: "..... if we look at the federal budget of the Russian Federation, it turns out that everything is not just bad, but frankly awful ... . "
    It's amazing how we are still alive ?! It is clear that to stimulate the flow of comments, the reader must be shocked with some terrible sensational "truth." It's good that not many will read it ... laughing
    And without spending foreign exchange reserves, we will be able to buy all imported goods for exactly $ 169,1 billion. Accordingly, imports will fall by slightly more than 30%. And this, in turn, will mean that both tax and customs revenues for imported goods will fall in approximately the same proportion.

    Just uzhos-uzhos !!! However, for some reason, the author did not in any way mention the fact that when imports fall sharply, then its place begins to be taken by its own production, such as agricultural (one of the particular examples), and the taxable base begins to grow in the productive sphere. The author deliberately thickened the colors, or was there simply not enough space in the article? There is such a philosophical axiom - there are no absolute events and phenomena in the world, every positive event carries some kind of negative, and any negative has a positive side. We must also bear in mind our mental peculiarity, formulated in the proverb - "the thunder will not break out, the man will not cross himself." It also works ... Let's live ... good
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 07: 18
      +3
      Quote: Hagen
      Trying to explain complex things, the calculations of which take many volumes, in a small note, though not by a specialist, a thing that hardly reflects reality.

      One very simple and testable idea is revealed before you. Oil and gas revenues play a key role in our budget, and in them the MET tax plays a key role. At the same time, the MET depends on oil prices on dollar exchanges and on the dollar exchange rate. Accordingly, our budget also depends on them.
      What is so difficult for you that should take "many volumes"? :)
      Quote: Hagen
      Just uzhos-uzhos !!! However, for some reason the author did not in any way mention the fact that when imports fall sharply, then its place begins to be taken by its own production, such as, for example, agricultural (one of the particular examples), and the taxable base begins to grow in the productive sphere.

      Don't talk nonsense, it hurts. In 2009, when imports fell, the income tax (collected domestically) fell by half. This is how our production "grew". And it was possible to return to the level of 2008 only in 2015.
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 17 December 2020 08: 07
        -1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        What is so difficult for you that should take "many volumes"? :)

        You see an economist like me. Those. no. For different enterprises, the rates may be set by the government different. You can add a "tax maneuver". And so everything is correct. It was possible to fit the whole article into one phrase - there are no miracles, when oil and gas prices fall, they affect the budget contributions. Why all this excursion into interbudgetary transfers, which in each case have their own characteristics under the same legislation?
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        Do not smack nonsense, it hurts.

        It's even scary to start commenting. Here you need to retype the entire textbook. Then answer the questions. Why was the US so alarmed when the yuan fell and tried to correct the euro rate downward? Why did our agricultural producers ask the Presa not to lift the sanctions on European agricultural products? Why ruble failed in 2016?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          17 December 2020 08: 25
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          You see an economist like me. Those. no.

          That you acknowledge your imperfection is great, but why then do you undertake to judge others on the issue where you are not Copenhagen?
          Quote: Hagen
          For different enterprises, the rates may be set by the government different. You can add a "tax maneuver".

          And all this - from the point of view of general income - is nothing more than nuances that in no way refute what I said in the article.
          Quote: Hagen
          Why all this excursion into interbudgetary transfers, which in each case have their own characteristics under the same legislation?

          To the point that the reader should understand the difference between federal and consolidated budget
          Quote: Hagen
          It's even scary to start commenting.

          So keep quiet
          Quote: Hagen
          Then answer the questions.

          Sorry, but your questions here are completely inappropriate - they simply do not relate to the topic of this material. for example
          Quote: Hagen
          Why did our agricultural producers ask the Presa not to lift the sanctions on European agricultural products?

          Explained in the previous article of the cycle https://topwar.ru/177848-skaz-o-tom-kak-rossijskaja-federacija-ot-dollara-otkazyvalas.html
          Quote: Hagen
          Why ruble failed in 2016?

          Ruble failures are the topic of the next article.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 17 December 2020 08: 42
            -2
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            To the point that the reader should understand the difference between federal and consolidated budget

            You and as a methodologist in teaching economic knowledge ... not very much. You would start with the basics and in order. What is it, levels, regulation system ... Well, that is, there is
            in pedagogy there is such a thing as a sequence of teaching, based on the movement from simple to complex, from particular to general, etc. That is, the method of teaching a subject. If you have already undertaken to teach the reader about budget planning at the levels of federal government and local government (I don’t know how much this topic is in demand by VO readers?), Then somehow it would be nice to form the program of this course in a methodically substantiated and competent manner. For example, V. Shpakovsky could well help you. He is a professional teacher and he must understand this thoroughly.
            1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
              17 December 2020 08: 54
              +3
              Quote: Hagen
              If you have already undertaken to educate the reader on budget planning at the federal and local government levels

              I did not undertake this task. If you really decided to advise me what to do, then take the counter advice - learn to read. I wrote to you in Russian and white
              Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
              the reader should understand the difference between federal and consolidated budget

              Why does the reader need all the nuances of budget planning? Well that's why? What the reader will not understand from my article, why would he need to gnaw the granite of budget codes and so on?
              1. Hagen
                Hagen 17 December 2020 08: 58
                -3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                must understand the difference between federal and consolidated budget

                Well, they would say - the reader should understand that there is a federal budget with a consolidated one, and there is horror !!! On New Year's Eve this is the most important thing that you want to convey, and the reader should understand from the extensive topic "On the budget". Subtleties are not needed, granite - leave for asphalt. laughing
              2. Hagen
                Hagen 17 December 2020 09: 31
                -3
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Why does the reader need all the nuances of budget planning?

                Somehow the phrase came to my mind - ".... Enough if they can count to a hundred ..." In the arrangement to the topic - it is enough for the readers to know that everything is bad with the budget. It is unnecessary to know what exactly ...
                1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                  17 December 2020 09: 59
                  +2
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Well, they would say - the reader should understand that there is a federal budget with a consolidated one, and there is horror !!!

                  And there - MET as the main driving force. You called it horror.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Subtleties are not needed, granite - leave for asphalt.

                  Quite right, I was not going to paint the textbook here. There is no need.
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Somehow the phrase came to my mind - ".... It's enough if they can count to a hundred ..."

                  No need to dabble the topic of the article with absurd statements. You are now using the typical technique of a dishonest polemicist - exaggerating what I have said.
                  The bottom line is that with the approach you declare, no one should write articles about airplanes - after all, it is necessary to teach physics and aerodynamics to the readers in the amount required by the corresponding KB designers. You cannot write about nature without courses in botany and biology. Etc.
                  In general, there is no need for demagoguery
                  1. Hagen
                    Hagen 17 December 2020 10: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    No need to dabble the topic of the article with absurd statements. You are now using the typical technique of a dishonest polemicist - exaggerating what I have said.

                    Well yes. Only an honest journalist can decide what readers need to know and what they don't. In your opinion, we need to know that "..... So, if we look at the federal budget of the Russian Federation, it turns out that everything is not just bad, but frankly awful ...." (to the question of authorship of the mention of "horror" ), but the fact that the budget deficit, born of falling prices for sold resources, is covered by funds from the Res. Fund + NWF, and it is for such cases that the "budget rule" was launched in the "fat" years, the people do not need to know. "In general, no demagoguery is needed." The people should know only one thing - the government cannot do anything worthwhile, we are all lost !!! About airplanes and everything else, you have about the same spirit. It is bad that the hangar is not launched, but if it flew, Roscosmos is still not smart, and the flight does not bring anything good. Yes, the authorship can be different, but the general policy can be traced - the leitmotif "The Russian leadership is leading the country into the abyss" ..... Personally, I have a slightly different opinion than you, although I have a lot of questions for the government. I just don't like it when a one-sided propaganda husk is hammered into my head. Andrey, move on to the topic of airplanes and tanks, you do better there. hi
                    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      17 December 2020 12: 39
                      +1
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Well yes. Only an honest journalist can decide what readers need to know and what they don't.

                      And demagoguery rolled on ...
                      Quote: Hagen
                      So, if we look at the federal budget of the Russian Federation, it turns out that everything is not just bad, but frankly awful .... "(to the question of authorship of the mention of" horror ")

                      Yes, and a lie. Since you "accidentally missed" the sequel
                      But, if we take the data of the consolidated budget of the Russian Federation, then the situation is significantly improved

                      Quote: Hagen
                      But the fact that the budget deficit, born of falling prices for sold resources, is covered by funds from the Res.fund + NWF, and it is for such cases in the "fat" years that the "budget rule" was launched, people do not need to know.

                      And again - demagoguery that has nothing to do with the article. For the funds are formed ... can you guess at the expense of what income, or will you guess? From oil. That is, in this we depend on oil and gas revenues.
                      You are seriously claiming the laurels of a non-commissioned officer's widow ...
                      Quote: Hagen
                      The people should know only one thing - the government cannot do anything worthwhile, we are all lost !!!

                      No question, take and write an article about something optimistic. About what the government has done. Who's stopping you?
                      1. Hagen
                        Hagen 17 December 2020 13: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        And demagoguery rolled on ...

                        Demagoguery, as a set of oratorical and polemical techniques and means to mislead the audience and win them over to their side with the help of false theoretical reasoning, is exactly what you wrote. A sort of half-truth. Everything seems to be correct, but in such a truncated form, and with such a selective texture that the conclusions are completely opposite.
                        Only in the last sentence you yourself are firing when you propose to write to me about something optimistic. And I do not want to be optimistic, I want to be objective, or at least an attempt to examine the situation in the country from different angles.
                      2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        17 December 2020 18: 14
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Everything seems to be correct, but in such a truncated form, and with such a selective texture that the conclusions are completely opposite.

                        Yes, no question, and if you are not a liar and not a demagogue, then just refute what I said. Cut the truth-uterus, who's stopping?
                        However, for some reason you don't cut it. Instead, you:
                        1) Poke my nose in article 38.2 of the BC, which has ANYTHING to do with the topic under discussion. They tried to crush with authority, in the hope that I was unable to read a couple of articles of the NK. Didn't work
                        2) They began to carry polemical game in the style: "Do you want to teach readers the budget code? So, you are a hidden foshyst, Irukan spy and conspirator, and you want to drive everyone into the Stone Age!" Didn't work
                        3) Now, after the exhaustion of at least some arguments, we moved on to completely sweeping accusations. Well, good luck :)))))))
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Only in the last sentence do you burn yourself

                        I think the readers have already understood who burned here and what
                      3. Hagen
                        Hagen 17 December 2020 18: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        You poke my nose in Article 38.2 of the BC, which has ANYTHING to do with the topic under discussion.

                        I'm also at a loss, where does the principle of the unity of the cash register and when did I poke you into it? Don't slander me laughing But with the knowledge of a couple of articles of the BC, begin to teach people to distinguish the federal budget from the consolidated one. Even a victim of the exam will not allow himself this.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        game in the style: "You do not want to teach readers the budget code? So, you are a hidden foshist,

                        I didn't push you on the topic. You chose it yourself. And they chose the title for themselves, I'm not your accomplice here. I don’t really like to drive an empty empty car with you. I have already expressed my opinion on your creation. This topic is not yours ..... And you are not Dumas in style. It happens...
                      4. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        18 December 2020 06: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        This topic is not yours ..... And you are not Dumas in style. It happens...

                        "Having uttered a gloomy prophecy, he departed" (c). Well, I will miss you - and with joy.
                      5. Hagen
                        Hagen 18 December 2020 07: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Well, I will miss you - and with joy.

                        "You can rely on what resists" (ANT). And you, you see, all want to "on the wool" .... A quality article is not easy work, but who loves it ?!
                      6. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        18 December 2020 07: 51
                        +1
                        Yes, of course :)))) Couldn't argue, now you will tell me what a tongue-tied and superficial author I am :))))))
                        Nice person, I have 343 publications on topvar alone, and this is not the only platform on which I have published. I was actively invited by other, quite serious Internet resources as an author, and some of them were not on military, but on such a civil topic. So I know my own worth.
                        And, of course, since I publish sharp enough materials, then with a bunch of commentators like you, who were "undermined" by my materials, who are hurt and offended, but who are neither "nor" me "in essence, say can not face regularly. Everything that you have to tell me, I know in advance, it is familiar to me, and this is an inevitable part of my work as an author.
                        "Bored, girls" (c)
                      7. Hagen
                        Hagen 18 December 2020 08: 49
                        0
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        but which are neither "be" nor "me" on the merits

                        What can I tell you? It doesn't hurt me. But when you give an example that cannot happen in practice, your ignorance of the topic that you touch on cuts in the eyes. I think that any article should be well prepared in order to know it thoroughly.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Nice man, I have 343 publications

                        Nevertheless, you still need to work to the level of Borovik.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        with a bunch of commentators like you

                        Your ambitions are exorbitant, they do not correspond to the level of your writing. You, as a professional journalist, still need to uphold the principles of professional ethics. Attempts to offend the reader as a person do not paint you.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        "Bored, girls" (c)

                        Tell the girls this ...
                      8. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        18 December 2020 09: 16
                        -1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        But when you give an example that cannot happen in practice, your ignorance of the topic that you touch on cuts in the eyes.

                        Yes, no question, refute. But you are too weak. On the merits of the question, you cannot say ANYTHING
                      9. Hagen
                        Hagen 18 December 2020 09: 34
                        -1
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        But you are too weak. On the merits of the question, you cannot say ANYTHING

                        Give an example of how one region transfers money to another ...
                      10. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                        18 December 2020 10: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Give an example of how one region transfers money to another ...

                        By subsidizing through the federal budget
                      11. Hagen
                        Hagen 18 December 2020 12: 40
                        -2
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        By subsidizing through the federal budget

                        Do you understand what you said? laughing And there is also about "no me". Actually, I don't care deeply what you know or don't know about economics. How would you (here I mean not only you alone, but many journalists like you) on these "half-knowledge" did not mess up people who, for various reasons, do not know economic theory. They still believe in print glory. Your word. And you bring confusion into their heads and develop hysteria, as in the case of retirement savings, and in this article too. Life is already full of its difficult twists and turns, and then you add fuel to the fire with your incorrect information that everything around is impassable and the rulers sleep and see how to empty the pocket of a poor citizen more strongly. You are probably aware that rootless and dull ones do not live long. And in this, in the shortening of life, there is your, albeit small, but contribution. Come on, be truthful, otherwise such ... Probably the Dean of the Faculty of Journalism of Moscow State University Tretyakov says correctly: "The level of journalists in our media has dropped nowhere lower!" That's all, it's useless to write to you. I am finishing, I do not expect an answer, and I will not answer myself.
                      12. ccsr
                        ccsr 18 December 2020 13: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Probably, Tretyakov, the dean of the Faculty of Journalism at Moscow State University, is right: "The level of journalists in our media has dropped nowhere lower!"

                        I completely agree with your conclusions, and even with Tretyakov's opinion, and even more so - in my opinion, he is the only decent person in this field who can be trusted and whom I listen to with pleasure. But it seemed to me that you incorrectly indicated his position:
                        Since the fall of 2015, professor at the Department of Sociology and Humanitarian Culture at MEPhI.

                        Maybe he recently took over as dean at Moscow State University?
                      13. Hagen
                        Hagen 18 December 2020 13: 11
                        -2
                        Quote: ccsr
                        Maybe he recently took over as dean at Moscow State University?

                        Vitaly Tovievich Tretyakov (born January 2, 1953, Moscow, RSFSR, USSR) - Russian journalist, political scientist, author and host of the TV program “What is to be done? Philosophical Conversations ”on the Kultura TV channel (from 2001 to the present). Dean of the Higher School (Faculty) of Television, Moscow State University M.V. Lomonosov.
                        I confess I messed up with the name of the faculty. winked Personally not familiar, but on TV and in VIKI they represent him like this. Maybe they are mistaken, but the point is not in the position, but in the recognition and expressed thoughts. I think so.
                    2. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
                      18 December 2020 15: 49
                      +2
                      Quote: Hagen
                      Do you understand what you said?

                      I got it. You, judging by the absence of intelligible objections, are, as always, unable to answer for your own words.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 10: 47
      0
      Quote: Hagen
      But with the knowledge of a couple of articles of the BC, begin to teach people to distinguish the federal budget from the consolidated one. Even a victim of the exam will not allow himself this.

      I also noticed this
  • Hagen
    Hagen 17 December 2020 08: 30
    -2
    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
    In 2009, when imports fell, the income tax (collected domestically) fell by half. This is how our production "grew".

    The 2008 crisis has shaken not only us. Then many people collapsed and fell to pieces. In addition, 1 year of production has not been too noticeable. You here in general 2009 out of place mentioned. What do you have to do with the economy? Did you work in a budget committee in some Duma? Do you have a special education? I'm not trying to criticize you, I just want to understand how much you can trust your articles on this topic without additional checks. The same inter-budgetary relations, they are as unique for each region as the state of production differs in them. And in each region there is an abundant interweaving of various narrowly focused programs financed directly from the state budget and from the regional budget, and equity financing, and public-private partnership. And this is all money, our own and others', entailing a whole string of related taxes in the implementation of programs. To get confused to describe all this in an article, and even evaluate it as good / bad, even experts will have a mixed opinion. But everything is simple for you, because for you everything in the country is "frankly awful" ....
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 08: 56
      +1
      Quote: Hagen
      The 2008 crisis has shaken not only us. Then many people collapsed and fell to pieces. In addition, 1 year of production has not been too noticeable. You here in general 2009 out of place mentioned.

      You yourself, with a blue eye, declared that a drop in imports = growth in industry. I am happy that you have begun to understand that not everything is so simple.
      Quote: Hagen
      What do you have to do with the economy?

      Direct
  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 December 2020 06: 54
    +4
    I see. What is not clear. We are waiting for the continuation. Thank you.
  • nnm
    nnm 17 December 2020 06: 58
    +3
    Well, since most of our regions are subsidized (unable to raise money for their own needs), resources are being redistributed between these budgets.

    Andrey, in my subjective opinion, you have somewhat bypassed the main topic - tax localization, the primary distribution of taxes and agreements on CGT.
    Let me explain - it is not correct to talk about subsidized and surplus regions, when: 1. Taxes are often paid (in large part) not at the location of production, but at the place of state registration. Well, what does Gazprom, Lukoil, Rosneft have to do with Moscow, St. Petersburg, where they give a huge part of their taxes ?! The State Duma wanted to solve this problem a couple of times, but they invariably failed the vote. They tried to somehow change the situation with the help of the norms on the consolidated group of taxpayers, but nothing came of it either. 2. The system of distribution of taxes by budget levels was not created by chance and has nothing to do with the economy. Its goal is the financial and political subordination of the regions. That the governors for every penny went to bow to Moscow.
    And the dollar rate itself is growing not to support resource people, but to fill the budget. Therefore, we do not have enough intelligence and desire to increase the budget through investments in production at the top, but it is much easier to play with the dollar price. And do not care at the same time on the consumer ability of the population.
    Plus, regarding the payment of taxes, look at the peculiarities of their payment through LLC Rosneftegaz - a very interesting topic
    And thanks for the article, it was interesting to hear your opinion.
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      17 December 2020 07: 35
      +6
      Quote: nnm
      Andrey, in my subjective opinion, you have somewhat bypassed the main topic - tax localization, the primary distribution of taxes and agreements on CGT.

      In this case, I did not undertake to cover it at all :) My topic is the de-dollarization taking place in the country, when we ourselves tied the main budget revenues to the dollar exchange rate and the cost of oil in dollars hi
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 10: 43
        -1
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        My topic is the de-dollarization happening in the country.

        what is de-dollarization? formulate first before discussing. And where do you see it "occurring", do we have a national currency or something? it has not been there for 28 years, the ruble is a simulacrum of the dollar, that is, just a few cents from those that are in the Central Bank of the Russian Federation (a branch of the US Federal Reserve to the subordinate of the US Federal Reserve) without changing this situation dollarization = an empty phrase
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 17 December 2020 07: 04
    -3
    Well, judging by the denial of my comments (but I only asked to clarify what's what bully ) I believe that some very knowledgeable citizens have gathered here. It is gratifying to realize this.
  • rocket757
    rocket757 17 December 2020 08: 10
    0
    Get off or not get off the "oil needle", that is the question!
    The simple answer is that it will happen for natural reasons, not immediately, over time!
    Obviously, don't put / store all your eggs in one basket ... i.e. I would like to achieve a balanced, varied filling of the budget from various activities, tax revenues !!! and most importantly, the rational use of budgetary funds for the benefit of citizens and the country !!!
    And now a simple question ... do we stop selling resources right away, or do we start acting differently ???
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 17 December 2020 08: 46
      +2
      Quote: rocket757
      Get off or not get off the "oil needle", that is the question!

      Desire is not enough. And everyone should agree! For us, "getting off the needle" means developing high-tech industries, but nobody wants to have competitors. In the global world, these markets are divided and a newcomer is not needed there. Someone should evaporate the Papuans' beads!
      And our problem is that the authorities do not need this - for any amount of money coming in for oil and gas, they first of all provide themselves and their apparatus of violence, and the rest are felled by the rest. The standard of living is kept so that there is not a minimum required. As Putin said? - "There is nothing to hope for the state!"
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 17 December 2020 09: 04
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        develop high-tech industries, but nobody wants to have competitors.

        Everything is correct. High-tech production, this is a lot of costs initially, and then, you will need to sell, sell ... sell! It is impossible to limit ourselves to one internal market ... but to climb outside, so there and so bickering, the carve-up is going on !!! newcomers are not expected there and will equalize to zero, all at once.
        But, anyway, there is a lot to do! prudently, mentally so. To depend on foreign supplies is very dangerous.
        Quote: Silvestr
        The standard of living is kept so that there is not a minimum required.

        Capitalism, however, the fat puss always has one concern, about himself beloved .... here every little thing, crumbs, will have to be won back from .... it's hard, in general! But you also have to get ready, defend your rights, the opportunity to work and live a normal life ... it will NOT work!
      2. DrEng527
        DrEng527 17 December 2020 13: 25
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        And our problem is that the authorities do not need it-

        Really? why build MS-21, PD-14, etc.? laughing
        The authorities can be kicked for the pace of industrial development, but that nothing is done this is a lie ... hi
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    3. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 10: 38
      0
      Quote: rocket757
      Get off or not get off the "oil needle", that is the question!

      you do not understand the essence of this question! The question really sounds like this: "whether to give the West all oil and gas revenues, or only half as now"
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 18 December 2020 10: 50
        0
        Quote: vladimir1155
        you do not understand the essence of this question

        What do you think, if I have NEVER drowned, for direct Western management, which some call, for example, "partnership", I do not understand what this threatens OUR country ???
        By the way, the "oil needle" is just a business option and EVERYTHING! It will be good for someone, for us, it depends on how everything is organized in the state, according to what laws we live ... or we don't.
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 10: 59
          0
          Quote: rocket757
          I do not understand what this threatens OUR country ???

          Between the lines in the lips of liberals, you can repeatedly understand the meaning, it is in this vein ..., here is the current next of the continuous crises of the Russian Federation caused by the so-called tax maneuver, that is, the abolition of export duties on oil and gas, and its replacement with an increase in the tax burden, so the tax burden was shifted from importers, that is, from the West to residents, that is, us, as a result of rising prices and massive bankruptcies. And the liberals are pushing the idea, "people = new oil", that is, since oil and gas revenues are increasingly flowing to the west, and you rob the people, you have enough. Kudrin repeatedly moaned that it is unfair and harmful that God gave the Russian Federation oil and gas, that the income from it spoils us, .... only he did not voice what to do with these incomes ... no, he did, in such a meaningful sense, "they need send it to the west through gold and foreign exchange reserves and offshore and in no case spend it for the good of Russia. "
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 11: 08
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            https://inosmi.ru/economic/20170125/238590963.html попытайтесь проанализировать эту статью и отделить ложь от правды, и мух от котлет.... оказывается мы преодолели "голландскую болезнь", но "к сожалению после этого все достижения периода "голландской болезни" мы потеряли и теперь находимся в полной эконмической....стагнации, бедности . Неужели не понятно что критикуемая прозападными иноагентами либерастами получавшими медали на западе "лучших министров экономики" за развал экономики Рф и организации ее грабежа "голландская болезнь" не была болезнью а признаком здоровья?,
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 18 December 2020 11: 22
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            Quote: vladimir1155
            between the lines in the lips of liberals, you can repeatedly understand the meaning,

            I was Soviet, I am, I will always be .... also, although I "worked" somewhere there, it was always for and for the sake of my Motherland.
            "Dutch disease"

            There are so many "little things" and nuances in this matter that everyone who has / had it has different situations.
            Quote: vladimir1155
            RF God gave oil and gas that the profits from it spoil us

            Ha, but about lousy / criminal .... and other nuances, he did not moan? He is afraid, however ... although he is from the same clip, should he "open his eyes" to the people ???
            now we are in complete economic ... stagnation, poverty

            Let's just say, I don't like a lot, a lot, to say the least, BUT, hope dies last ...
            only these hopes are not connected with the current upper ones, but quite, quite the opposite ...
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 11: 30
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              Quote: rocket757
              I was Soviet, I am, I will always be .... also, although I "worked" somewhere there, it was always for and for the sake of my Motherland.

              I support, I can no longer be Soviet (not Brezhnev) but a patriot, I am both a Stalinist and a monarchist, I mean that it’s good in my country, and not in Europe, I don’t bow to Europe .. the problem is not that harmful traitors Gorbachev Yeltsin and Yakovlev was sold to the USSR, but the fact that the people themselves, in hysterics and schizophrenia (caused by the methods of subtle manipulation of consciousness), suddenly fell out of love with their house and summoned their masters in 1992, and what is regrettable, most of him did not understand anything ... Son my! listen to my wisdom, and incline your ear to my understanding,
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              so that you may be judicious, and that your mouth may preserve knowledge.
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              for the lips of a strange woman ooze honey, and her speech is softer than oil;
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              but the consequences of it are bitter as wormwood, sharp as a two-edged sword;
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              her feet descend to death, her feet reach hell.
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              If you wanted to comprehend the path of her life, then her paths are impermanent, and you will not recognize them.
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              So, children, listen to me and do not depart from the words of my mouth.
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              Keep your path away from her and do not come close to the doors of her house,
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              lest you give your health to others and your years to the tormentor;
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              lest strangers be satisfied with your strength, and your labors were not for a stranger's house.
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              And you will moan afterward, when your flesh and your body are emaciated, -
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              and you will say: "Why did I hate instruction, and my heart despised reproof,
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              and I did not listen to the voice of my teachers, I did not incline my ear to my instructors:
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              I almost fell into every evil among the assembly and society! "
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              Drink the water from your cistern and the water that flows from your well.
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              Let not your springs overflow in the street, and streams of water over the squares;
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              let them belong to you alone, and not to strangers with you.
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              1. rocket757
                rocket757 18 December 2020 11: 58
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                Quote: vladimir1155
                regrettably, most of him did not understand anything ...

                In order for UNDERSTANDING to appear, it was necessary to impose events, circumstances, etc., on KNOWLEDGE and not just general ones, about this, about this and in general, but very specific ones.
                Which, by the way, were not given to everyone and everywhere !!! Although, you could also get them, just not lying on the couch ...
                1. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 17: 08
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                  Quote: rocket757
                  KNOWLEDGE

                  will not help ..... really're coming out on the Maidan and in Minsk yesterday, do not know what happened in 1992? they know that, but they do not know how to think, they were weaned to think at school, and then they are professionally brainwashed daily through the media. ... this is a scientific fact voiced by KP Pobedonostsev in the "Moscow Collection" and rewritten from there by U Lippman, in "Public Opinion", developed in detail With Kara-Murza in "Manipulation we are aware" and most importantly it works, 95 percent of the population are not able to think logically and use their knowledge, they just repeat after "Kuzin and Nikolsky" and take on faith the Old, making it their stereotypes ... a typical example, our forum is full of dominantly dependent aircraft carrier enthusiasts.
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 18 December 2020 18: 40
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                    The knowledge that had to be looked for will not be obtained just like that, in the order of the general array, they require many other skills, in addition to rote memorization.
                    The ability to analyze and the like does not appear on their own, they need to be developed, trained, which together makes a person somewhat different.
                    1. Vladimir1155
                      Vladimir1155 19 December 2020 01: 38
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                      Quote: rocket757
                      ability to analyze and so on, do not appear on their own, they need to be developed, trained

                      agree
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 19 December 2020 10: 45
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                        The institute librarians gave me a present, a good, rare book, for the fact that my reader's card was "thicker" than that of the whole course combined.
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 17 December 2020 08: 19
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    By the way, on December 17, 1788, troops under the command of Prince Potemkin took the Turkish fortress Ochakov on the Black Sea coast near the mouth of the Dnieper. Griboyedov's catchphrase "the times of the Ochakovskys and the conquest of the Crimea" immortalized the glorious victory of the commander of Catherine II. However, there is not a word about this on VO. It's more important to pick the shit than to mention the History of Great Russia. bully Paparazzi damn it.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 17 December 2020 08: 29
    +1
    The receipt by the state of income from its own subsoil in the form of a small part and in the form of taxes is delirium and an eternal brake factor. This is how a neighbor will use your wife, and you raise children from using it. Is it in the same states all over the country that they build analogs of magnets and other such things, and then give them to John the first who gets into full possession? There, if you want to extract oil, then build the tower itself, if you can, that's why they proceed. Under the union, again, the state traded in oil in many countries, and quite successfully. With what fright we decided that the state would trade badly when it did it well, except by sabotage and a stranglehold around the neck of the state, this cannot be explained. And breaking copies of NDPI and other leftovers from the pie can be done indefinitely.
  • iouris
    iouris 17 December 2020 12: 14
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    Quote: "... these oilmen, they are eating their last piece of bread." End of quote.
    Not only. Masters of Russian culture (in other words, show business) are in a very difficult situation, and the state does not help them. Where can they eat?
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 17 December 2020 13: 13
    +1
    "In other words, we are seeing an extreme foreign trade surplus. And that's a good thing."
    This is bad... request Strong trade surplus means Russia is robbed request
  • APASUS
    APASUS 17 December 2020 14: 13
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    All this is correct, provided that the ruble is preserved as a poor relative of the dollar. And if the resources are sold for rubles, then the ruble will strengthen and become a convertible currency But this is the next level of development, here you have to think with your head, and not cut your grandmother with the next fall of the ruble
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 17 December 2020 14: 50
      +1
      The ruble is already a convertible currency - it can be exchanged in other countries for local currencies at the exchange rate.
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 17 December 2020 23: 15
    +2
    Thank you, Andrew!
    Nothing new, but very exciting in your interpretation!
  • Bourgeois 1963
    Bourgeois 1963 18 December 2020 10: 26
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    Quote: Mykhalych
    As an ordinary, poorly versed in all these macroeconomic "dances", I have such a question? So, everything is so bad, it's time to pack the chumadans and fly to blissful America or take to the streets demanding the resignation of everyone and everything, and instead of the current leadership of Russia demand to replace on Mr. Zu, and the Minister of Finance, Mr. Grudinin. And of course the Minister of Defense Girkin, and ...

    If you really have a high qualification in any profession, you are not a worker or an engineer, do not hesitate for a second. People with head and hands are always needed here, they are appreciated and, most importantly, their competencies are fairly paid. In 1992, I came to the United States with 10 years of education and the 6th grade of a CNC milling machine adjuster, and since 1989 I have been very seriously interested in programming. These skills immediately made it possible to live by the standards of the then, and even the current CIS countries, very richly, while calmly without yelling and yelling to do what you love.
  • Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 18 December 2020 10: 33
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    dear Andrey from Chelyabinsk continues to study economics! but not very deep yet ..... it is not taken into account that taxes are not just budget revenues, but people's expenses, and high taxes ruin the domestic industry, according to some sources, the tax burden has long exceeded 115 percent, that is, the government has totally banned white business in the Russian Federation , factories are closing, people are going in poverty to Moscow m St. Petersburg ..... touched by the remark about the surplus of exports and imports ... but YOU did not think that through this surplus abroad is getting richer and the Russian Federation is getting poorer? this is one of the forms of the monthly multi-billion dollar robbery of our country, and you are happy? Understand that you have given the goods overseas, and you have only returned an equivalent half of the goods, why should you be happy? You were fooled! .... in this article I saw excerpts from various economic sources, and quite chaotic, without deep analysis, an economic educational program at the level of an accounting college and again a repetition of "Buzin-Nikolsky" ... Andrey, learn to be critical of read and not take anything for granted, understand that the words should contain some kind of reality, including taxes through which they rob you (and not just rob for money, but deliberately strangle so as not to compete with foreigners) and in a budget surplus and international trade , analyze what you read, almost all writers are liars ...
  • Desperado
    Desperado 18 December 2020 11: 14
    +1
    That's right, an excellent educational program for the average man in the street, regardless of his political views. Once again, it proves that the phrases "the dollar does not affect anything", "we got off the oil needle" are nothing more than populist statements for the electorate.
  • Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 20 December 2020 18: 03
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    The conversation is strange. And the "oil and gas needle"? Better look at the balance of the Central Bank as of 1.1.2020. State funds -12.1 trillion. rubles. Loans issued to non-residents were 27.1 trillion rubles, domestic loans were 7.8 trillion rubles. Loans to non-residents are issued at 1% per annum. So our country is on a different "needle".