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"Russia won in the South Caucasus without firing a shot" - Chinese television network in North America NTDTV

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NTDTV, the largest Chinese television network in North America, publishes extensive material dedicated to the events in Nagorno-Karabakh. The material tells that, despite the agreements reached on November 9, on December 12, the parties to the conflict again "made an attempt to resume hostilities", but Russia stopped everything.


The correspondent reports that the shootout took place a day after the military parade in Baku, to which Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan was also invited. In the material NTDTV, referring to the well-known site of information leaks WikiLeaks, they write that Ankara 10 years ago "tried to go to the normalization of relations with Armenia." Then, as stated, the President of Azerbaijan was jealous of Turkey's attempts to overcome the crisis in Turkish-Armenian relations.

From the report:

Then in Baku, Erdogan's policy was spoken of as "lies and betrayal" in protest against the fact that Turkey does not help Azerbaijan to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue. Now Aliyev calls Erdogan a brother.

In the material, citing sources in the parliamentary circles of Turkey, it is stated that the Azerbaijani authorities called on Turkey to create "its military bases" near the borders.

Analyzing the beginning of hostilities, which took place at the end of September 2020, NTDTV states that "Armenia set itself on fire." The report stated that in July, Armenian forces fired at the territory of Azerbaijan, which led to "the death of Azerbaijani officers, some of whom were trained in Turkey."

From the report:

As a result, Turkey took advantage of the pre-election confusion in the United States to help Azerbaijan in Karabakh.

In addition, it is indicated that while the United States was paying attention only to the duel between Trump and Biden, Turkey transferred its fighters to Azerbaijan, "which could take off from the airfield at any time to strike the enemy."

The article tells about the role of Russia in stopping hostilities and about the Russian presence in the Caucasus.

The statement of the representative of the Azerbaijani opposition Gubad Ibadoglu is cited, who stated that by expanding its presence in the South Caucasus "Moscow is trying to get the possibility of pipeline communication with Iran."

From the material:

As a result, the Russian military appeared where they had not previously been. Russia won in the South Caucasus without a single shot from its side. She achieved ideal conditions for herself from Baku, Yerevan and Ankara. Now NATO, when discussing the events in Karabakh, does not talk about Russia, while constantly criticizing Turkey.
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  1. mark1
    mark1 13 December 2020 13: 10
    0
    "Russia won in the South Caucasus without firing a shot"
    Sly -... well (the other does not work)
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 13 December 2020 14: 26
      0
      Despite the agreements reached on November 9, on December 12, the parties to the conflict again "made an attempt to resume hostilities," but Russia stopped everything.

      It is noteworthy that on December 10, a press conference was held in Baku, at which Turkish President Recep Erdogan proposed to organize the "Platform of Six", which will unite the countries of the Caucasus.

      This "Platforms of 6", according to the head of Turkey, should include Azerbaijan, Russia, Turkey, Iran, Georgia and Armenia, if Yerevan expresses such a desire, which will supposedly become favorable cooperation for the development of the entire region.
      Erdogan noted that he had already discussed this issue with the head of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev.

      Separately, Erdogan drew attention to the positive role of Russian President Vladimir Putin in the settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

      At the same time, Erdogan added that Turkey has always stood for peace in the region.

      Considering the pevanshist Islamist idea of ​​creating the Great Turan, somehow all this in Erdogan looks too sly - like in Eastern fairy tales!
    2. AĞGURD
      AĞGURD 14 December 2020 07: 25
      -1
      Quote: _Ugene_
      so he is not there now, he has been running there for three years now, what does the Karabakh conflict have to do with it? and there are levers of influence - they said stop and everyone, like nice ones, stopped the war, there would be no levers, would Azerbaijan stop when they actually won? So all of Karabakh would be completely taken away

      in response to the scars of my country Azerbaijan, the ml stopped as a small ... so yesterday this small country officially sent in three letters all the biggest ... the Minsk group by the OSCE Minsk Group co-chair from France Stephane Visconti, the US co-chair Andrew Shofer, extraordinary and plenipotentiary Russian Ambassador to Azerbaijan Mikhail Bocharnikov and Personal Representative of the OSCE Chairman-in-Office Andrzej Kasprzyk .... and not the first ... and don't say that relying on Turkey ... because THREE letters were sent all these 30 years even to my brother Turkey when I decided with Yerevan to improve relations for the sake of joining the European Union ...
  2. apro
    apro 13 December 2020 13: 12
    0
    Victory would have been possible if all territorial issues were resolved without bloodshed, to the mutual satisfaction of the parties, and to raise the country's prestige, but this did not happen, and there are plenty of reasons to continue the bloody performance.
    1. mark1
      mark1 13 December 2020 13: 14
      +6
      Quote: apro
      Victory would have been possible if all territorial issues had been resolved without bloodshed, to the mutual satisfaction of the parties.

      This is not a victory - this is manilovism
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 13 December 2020 13: 21
        +1
        "Russia won in the South Caucasus without firing a shot" - Chinese television network in North America NTDTV
        victory in what? people and equipment have already lost without fighting. Azerbaijan took control of the territory, Armenia is out.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 13 December 2020 14: 35
          -1
          Quote: Aerodrome
          victory in what? people and equipment have already lost without fighting. Azerbaijan took control of the territory, Armenia is out.

          Excuse me, and how many pencils and boxes did the Russian Federation lose in NKAO? repeat
          1. Crash
            Crash 13 December 2020 19: 43
            -1
            Excuse me, and how many pencils and boxes did the Russian Federation lose in NKAO? feel

            Do helicopter and pilots count?
            I foresee a parry:
            in NKAO?

            So: it was the South Caucasus
      2. apro
        apro 13 December 2020 13: 23
        -3
        Quote: mark1
        This is not a victory - this is manilovism

        I didn't understand your idea ...
        1. mark1
          mark1 13 December 2020 13: 27
          +2
          Quote: apro
          I didn't understand your idea ...

          This is bad. Well, how would it be -
          Manilovism as a personality trait - a tendency to groundless complacency, groundless dreamy, inactive, divorced from reality, attitude to the environment, to empty fantasy, projection
          1. apro
            apro 13 December 2020 13: 36
            -3
            Quote: mark1
            This is bad. Well, how would it be -
            Manilovism as a personality trait - a tendency to groundless complacency, groundless dreamy, inactive, divorced from reality, attitude to the environment, to empty fantasy, projection

            That means she didn't win ... that's how they would write ... why in circles ...
            1. mark1
              mark1 13 December 2020 13: 40
              +2
              Quote: apro
              So it didn't win ...
              at you, my friend,
              Quote: apro
              a tendency to ... ... an attitude detached from reality to the environment, to empty fantasy, projection

              Do you work for fat or in hryvnia equivalent?
              1. apro
                apro 13 December 2020 13: 45
                -3
                Quote: mark1
                Do you work for fat or in hryvnia equivalent?

                Not polite you. All the best.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 13 December 2020 13: 25
      0
      With cheoo suddenly? Without blood, nothing would have happened. Until both sides of it got drunk, they would not come to any agreements.
      1. apro
        apro 13 December 2020 13: 28
        -6
        Quote: carstorm 11
        With cheoo suddenly? Without blood, nothing would have happened. Until both sides of it got drunk, they would not come to any agreements.

        I agree. But the victory of the Russian Federation? The country's authority fell for sure. And other players came .. who are celebrating the victory.
        1. _Ugene_
          _Ugene_ 13 December 2020 13: 46
          +5
          I agree. But the victory of the Russian Federation? The country's authority fell for sure.
          And in what did he fall? The fact that they did not support Pashinyan, the protege of the West, who came to power on the slogans - "Russia is an occupant" and so on? and in any case, Russia should not fight for Armenia in its territorial disputes, and no one encroached on the territory of Armenia. The authority did not fall anywhere, Pashinyan was put in his place, and perhaps they will be removed now completely, our military in Karabakh, on the contrary, showed who is the only authority here and who can really stop the conflict
          1. apro
            apro 13 December 2020 13: 50
            -3
            Quote: _Ugene_
            And in what did he fall? The fact that they did not support Pashinyan, the protege of the West,

            Because the head of the country was the protégé of the West. There are no levers of influence not on the Armenians, not on the Ayzers.
            1. _Ugene_
              _Ugene_ 13 December 2020 13: 51
              +3
              so he is not there now, he has been running there for three years now, what does the Karabakh conflict have to do with it? and there are levers of influence - they said stop and everyone, like nice ones, stopped the war, there would be no levers, would Azerbaijan stop when they actually won? So all of Karabakh would be completely taken away
              1. apro
                apro 13 December 2020 14: 25
                -3
                Quote: _Ugene_
                but there are levers of influence - they said stop and all like cute ones stopped the war,

                Baku. Has solved my questions. You can take a break ... next time will finish.
                The causes of the war have not been eliminated, but preserved.
                1. _Ugene_
                  _Ugene_ 13 December 2020 14: 34
                  +1
                  if we allow it to finish, in general, we don't give a damn who there will be the king of the hill in Karabakh
        2. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 13 December 2020 13: 58
          +2
          Before whom did he fall? Who came there? Turks have been living there since the nineties. And as opposed to it, it is more convenient for us than the states or their mongrels. Our military is now where they were not before. The whipped-up Pashinyan is practically a political corpse. There are pluses everywhere.
          1. apro
            apro 13 December 2020 14: 26
            -3
            Quote: carstorm 11
            There are pluses everywhere.

            Like troubles at your own expense ...
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 13 December 2020 16: 07
              0
              They always pay for their interests)
  3. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2020 13: 23
    +4
    NTDTV objectively assessed what has happened since September 2020 in Karabakh. At least the Chinese diaspora received reliable information about what is happening.
    She (Russia) achieved ideal conditions for itself from Baku, Yerevan and Ankara
    Someone eventually had to stop (suspend) the war, because neither the USA, nor France, nor Germany could do this, and Turkey pursued its own interests. Russia did this, naturally taking into account its interests.
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 14 December 2020 21: 16
      -1
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Someone in the end had to stop (suspend) the war, because neither the USA, nor France, nor Germany could do this, and Turkey pursued its own interests. Russia did it,
      kind of weird.... ?! and why only at the cost of the lives of their loyal subjects (usually military personnel) ?! Who of you would like that at the cost of the lives of their (your) relatives in the helicopter, such conflicts in the territory of the former USSR would end, and decisive actions to "establish peace" would begin ....?! Why is that ?!
  4. Mouse
    Mouse 13 December 2020 13: 24
    +1
    NATO is it already NECESSARY? recourse
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 13 December 2020 13: 40
      +1
      Hello comrade, in terms of meanings and intentions. And respect hi Of course, it is not easy to turn NATO into a NECESSARY, but this is how they get political ventilation, they will first air it from below, and then send another "stick" approved in the size of the EU.
  5. Arnaut
    Arnaut 13 December 2020 13: 24
    -6
    Victory, unequivocal victory ...
    1. Turkey does what it wants where before no cannon could fire without the permission of the Kremlin.
    2. The overwhelming majority of Armenians are sure (whether it is fair or not) that Russia has betrayed the Armenians. And now the pro-Moscow forces have no chance in any elections.
    3. Russia sent 2000 soldiers into a trap. And now he will pay for it.
    4. The entire Internet is filled with videos of Turkish and Israeli drones destroying the "best and unparalleled" Russian weapons.
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 13 December 2020 13: 52
      0
      Strictly perpendicular to what they think of us in Azerbaijan and Armenia. These are now separate states, from whose "contentment or discontent" we should not be either cold or hot. Their diasporas are pumping our money into their states, at one time we pulled them out of the darkness of the semi-Middle Ages into the industrial era, fed, taught, healed and protected. Any debt can be measured, and the question in my opinion now stands like this - what do these gentlemen owe us, for that matter.
      They didn't want to live under a common, tight and safe cap, they wanted their states with casinos and geishas, ​​their politicians in jackets and briefcases - welcome, as they say, to the world of big boys.
      And we have our own state, from which Turkey and Israel are far away, and than to jump with flippers in troubled water on the territory of obscure quasi-states, it is better to direct our energy and funds to the expanses of our own republics.
      1. Arnaut
        Arnaut 13 December 2020 14: 23
        -8
        In principle, your position has a right to exist. If Russia does not need allies and zones of influence. To become Sweden after the Great Northern War and build a happy country of happy people.
        But I do not understand how at the same time Russia is trying to get new allies and new spheres of influence in Syria, Libya, Sudan, Chad, Venezuela and at the same time surrenders the zone of absolute influence in the Caucasus. At the same time, they loved Ukraine, now they loved Belarus.
        1. sabakina
          sabakina 13 December 2020 14: 45
          0
          Quote: Arnaut
          at the same time they loved Ukraine, now they loved Belarus.
          And sho, dad renounced the throne? I somehow missed this moment ... And sho, our base will be gone?
          1. Arnaut
            Arnaut 13 December 2020 17: 29
            -2
            In fact, now Belarus has more problems than benefits. To keep it, you need a lot of effort and resources. And if you do not hold back, then ...
            And even a couple of years ago, everything could be solved in working mode.
        2. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 13 December 2020 15: 40
          -3
          My position can be formulated as follows - a strong country in the 21st century is a strong economy. A strong economy is based on adequate and timely lawmaking, an effective and transparent law enforcement system, professionalism that permeates the pinnacle of state long-medium-term planning. Only after all this is there a line of interaction between a strong economy and satellites of one degree or another, which it integrates into its external economic activity, which, again, is carried out exclusively in terms of the benefits of its own economy. This is followed by "political" interests and security issues - if it is beneficial.
          Countries that depend on someone else's "umbrella" and participation in someone else's economic integration - they themselves pay for this, through numerous preferences, stable demand, realizing their own benefits and security.
          Our foreign policy activity is mostly politics for the sake of politics. In the near abroad, we have long flirted with technological symbiosis - it came to us sideways and more than once, with engines, motors, components and other things. Subsequently, this also came to us sideways - when our "friends" pressed us on the arms markets and in contracts for the repair and modernization of Soviet equipment.
          Having the opportunity to engage our own people with work and invest funds spent outside on internal development, we prefer to "conserve" different kinds of regimes / political systems, with the goal of "so that everything remains as it is." This is a half-hearted position - on the one hand, we let the former republics go to "free bread", on the other hand, we had a wide dependence on them, not paying attention to the fact that their perception of the profitability and the issue itself may not be combined with ours. Half measures are always half measures, and we should either follow the path of rigid economic and political integration of the "brotherly states" into a kind of confederation like the EU, or consistently untie ourselves from obligations that are disadvantageous to our economy and social sphere, so that relations "pump inward," as they say.

          We were definitely in vain and missed Blr / Ukraine for a long time.
          At the moment, our symbiotic relationship with Central Asia is extremely disadvantageous for our economy and social sphere.
          In the Caucasus, we have tied ourselves up with numerous muddy schemes that do not bring us any real security benefits (for example, how easily Turkey ended up in Azerbaijan, or how NATO practically ended up in Georgia), no real income, or strong allies.
          Our external gains - like the Central African Republic, Libya, Venezuela - is a terrible horror that does not have a strong economic and infrastructural foundation, or any kind of adequate and consistent building of strong regional schemes (which would be beneficial to our economy).
          Participation in the Syrian Civil War is a very large and muddy tangle of seemingly benefits and potential inconveniences. The issue of Syrian loyalty and creditworthiness in the future is ambiguous, given the Soviet experience of interaction with the Islamic world, our activity there creates tensions in relations with Turkey and Israel, in fact, much of what we are doing there is raking up problems for Europe and the United States. Our triumphant blitzkrieg has grown into unabated hemorrhoids, which is fraught with the fact that we will have to engage in construction, training, treatment and "de facto" defense for an unlimited period of time. If our economy was larger, one could say that all this activity could be deployed in the future as an outpost of economic penetration into the region - but it is much less than we would like (and without good trends), and the region itself, let's say STREMNOVAT for large bets on him.

          In general, strictly speaking - we have 1/7 of land and all the resources necessary for a large state for a measly 140+ million (one and a half Egypt, 75% of Pakistan, 10% of China, 40% of the United States) of the population. WHAT do we need outside? We have all. In order to fight for markets, we first need to toughly master our own and nearest market with our goods, which is not even close. Now the foreign policy of our country can be defined by the logic of Porthos "I am fighting ... just because I am fighting."
        3. Machnamh
          Machnamh 13 December 2020 17: 23
          +1
          Quote: Arnaut
          But I do not understand how at the same time Russia is trying to get new allies and new spheres of influence in Syria, Libya, Sudan, Chad, Venezuela and at the same time surrenders the zone of absolute influence in the Caucasus. At the same time, they loved Ukraine, now they loved Belarus.


          It is not Russia that is trying, but a certain circle, a very narrow circle of those in Russia who have grabbed a lot of money and other material goods that they have stolen, robbed from ordinary honest workers in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus ... they swagger and play a game that brings nothing but harm to the ordinary people of these countries. And they, you see, are very beneficial in the material and other ego terms. They are terribly far from the people! But unlike those guys 195 years ago, they are not that noble. And there can be no question that they would go to the scaffold for this very people. Let the people go by themselves. About the zones of influence. It is true that someone from the famous said: "I cannot understand how Russia remained with Chechnya and Dagestan, but at the same time without Little Russia-Novorossiya and Belarus."
      2. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 14 December 2020 21: 33
        -1
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        They didn't want to live under a common, tight and safe cap, they wanted their states with casinos and geishas, ​​their politicians in jackets and briefcases - welcome, as they say, to the world of big boys.
        Oops ?! this really does not exist in the Russian Federation ?!
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        And we have our own state, from which Turkey and Israel are far away,
        honestly ?! well, according to history, for example, with the transfer of control by RusAl ...?! you can't say ?! or something went wrong ?! or actually happens not quite the way you would like ?!, but your authorities will comfort you (!)...

        but in reality, - ... On February 8, 2019, the newly formed as required by the US board of directors En + Group confirmed the decision to re-register En + and Rusal in Russia [32] ....

        - According to the US Treasury Department at the end of 2018 G., Oleg Deripaska and members of his family owned a 70% stake in En +[15].

        In line with the plan to withdraw En + Group from US sanctions Oleg Deripaska's shareholding will be reduced to 44,95%, an increase in the stake will be prohibited. In addition, the share of shares on which Deripaska will be able to vote will be 35%[16].

        General Director - Vladimir Kiryukhin [17], COO - Vyacheslav Solomin [18]. Chairman of the Board of Directors - Gregory Barker.

        On January 28, 2019, the group was removed from the US Treasury's sanctions list after the procedure for updating the board of directors. Instead of seven Russians, independent directors, whose candidacies have been approved by the Office of Foreign Assets Control of the US Treasury... Christopher Bancroft Burnham, Carl Hughes, Joan McNafton, Nicholas Jordan, Igor Lozhevsky, Alexander Chmel and Andrei Sharonov became the new independent directors. [19]
        .... I tried to highlight only the main things for you, - meaningful ... (!)...
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        ... and rather than jerking flippers in troubled water on the territory of obscure quasi-states, it is better to direct our energy and funds to the vastness of our own republics.
        Yes ?! belay and it would not hurt to figure it out ?! IS IT STILL YOURS ?! . winked hi
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 14 December 2020 22: 22
          0
          What are we talking about, actually.
    2. KCA
      KCA 13 December 2020 13: 58
      +3
      You can learn more about the destruction of weapons that do not have analogues in the world? "Wasp" which was produced from 1960 to 1988? I served 91-93, even then "Wasps" were rubbish, they were not even driven into the boxes, they rotted on the street. Has Russia betrayed the Armenians? So let them bring them home, defend their homeland, otherwise they are gundy, but somehow their shops and places in the markets are not closed
      1. Arnaut
        Arnaut 13 December 2020 14: 24
        -5
        How many Russian weapons did Armenians buy? Did it help them?
        1. KCA
          KCA 13 December 2020 14: 46
          -1
          And how much did they buy? For the most part, they were floated for free on the principle "God forbid that we don't like it", who would supply the latest weapons for free? Well, "Iskander" only, and then in the export version, neutered at the most
          1. Arnaut
            Arnaut 13 December 2020 17: 31
            -4
            Compare the cost of Iskanders, fighters, etc. with the cost of handicrafts of the "Young Aircraft Modeler" circle from Turkey and Israel.
        2. sabakina
          sabakina 13 December 2020 14: 47
          -1
          Quote: Arnaut
          How many Russian weapons did Armenians buy? Did it help them?

  6. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 13 December 2020 13: 45
    -4
    It is not clear what we won there, given that:
    a) "We were not a party to the conflict" as it is fashionable for us to say
    b) The status quo changed towards Azerbaijan over a rather long period
    c) Both Azerbaijan and Armenia are not hostile states from the point of view of the rhetoric of our politicians

    In general, it is not clear in anything "won", neither won anyone, nor the results of this victory. Our next peacekeepers in the next unrecognized state are "in fact", but they cannot call it a victory.
    So the Chinese, as usual, play some of their own virtual multi-moves, in which we, as usual, "Russia is certainly a great power, but ..."
  7. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 13 December 2020 14: 04
    -1
    Here the Chinese are right, Russia really won the most in this war.
  8. askort154
    askort154 13 December 2020 14: 07
    -2
    "Russia won in the South Caucasus without firing a shot"

    As a result, Turkey "swallowed" Azeybarjan and entered the Caspian Sea.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 13 December 2020 15: 02
      0
      Quote: askort154
      "Russia won in the South Caucasus without firing a shot"

      As a result, Turkey "swallowed" Azeybarjan and entered the Caspian Sea.

      What is it like? Azerbaijani became a Turk? belay Did the tomatoes become peaches? belay Not guys, I went for meldonium !!!
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 December 2020 14: 10
    -2
    Maybe someone will explain where we won here. We found ourselves between a rock and a hard place for five years. The carnage has just been stopped!
  10. Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 13 December 2020 14: 11
    +12
    Russia won in the South Caucasus without a single shot from its side

    Everything is relative.
    As a result, the Russian military appeared where they had not previously been

    But the Turks too
  11. Guru
    Guru 13 December 2020 14: 26
    -2
    The statement of the representative of the Azerbaijani opposition Gubad Ibadoglu is cited, who stated that by expanding its presence in the South Caucasus "Moscow is trying to get the possibility of pipeline communication with Iran."
    We decided that "Light by Wedge" came together in Azerbaijan laughing Nothing prevents us from laying a pipeline from Iran through Turkmenistan or along the bottom of the Caspian Sea.
  12. Xnumx vis
    Xnumx vis 13 December 2020 14: 47
    +1
    "a representative of the Azerbaijani oppositionand Gubad Ibadoglu "Well, the names have gone belay what You will write yourself to block the account once! Lip of hell ... I will not continue further !!! laughing laughing laughing
  13. orionvitt
    orionvitt 13 December 2020 16: 02
    0
    "Moscow is trying to get the possibility of pipeline communication with Iran"
    And what is there in Iran that is not in Russia (and vice versa), what can be transported through the pipeline? laughing
    1. Guru
      Guru 14 December 2020 01: 55
      -3
      Transit of Iranian oil to European markets.
      1. Nemchinov Vl
        Nemchinov Vl 14 December 2020 22: 44
        0
        Quote: Guru
        Transit of Iranian oil to European markets.
        then "simplify the procedure", - Accept the Persians (Perun Sons, - Iran), into the Russian Federation as a subject of the Russian Federation, - a republic or AO ?!