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"Quickly reload and kill the horse" - the "Smith and Wesson" revolver in the army of the Russian Empire

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"Quickly reload and kill the horse" - the "Smith and Wesson" revolver in the army of the Russian Empire
A still from the 1938 comedy "The Bear" with the participation of wonderful actors Mikhail Zharov, Olga Androvskaya and two revolvers "Smith and Wesson"!


“My father drank like a barrel,
And he died from wine.
I am the only daughter left
And I am called "Mamzel Na-na".

(A song from the Soviet film "Bear" (1938) directed by Isidor Annensky based on the play of the same name by A.P. Chekhov)


Weapon and firms. And it so happened that after the Crimean War, the Russian imperial army, or rather not the army itself, but the ranks who commanded it, finally realized that the need to arm with modern weapons is not a whim, but a severe necessity. Well, there is not enough for our entire army made on the model of the Kolt revolvers, of which only 400 were made in our country in 1855. True, the initiative was taken by the gendarmes, armed with a Lefosche revolver in 1860, and all the same sailors who requested Galan's revolvers for themselves in 1869 ... But the army still did not have a revolver. But time and money prevail over everything. And now (albeit a little delayed) and the army finally received a weapon of the first class for that time - a cartridge revolver of the firm "Smith and Wesson" caliber .44 under the so-called "Russian cartridge".


Revolver "Smith and Wesson" model 1870. Photo from the site of the firm "Smith & Wesson"

There was already an article here on VO, where it was told about the role that a certain Grand Duke and two of our colonels who were well versed in weapons played in the fact that this particular revolver came into service - we will not repeat ourselves. It is important to emphasize that one of the most important requirements that the army presented to the new weapon was its lethality! The revolver was supposed to kill the horse at a distance of 50 steps and thus incapacitate the rider! The firing speed of their revolver was also important, because they were supposed to arm the cavalry first of all, and there speed is of particular importance.


Revolver "Smith and Wesson" No. 3 Russian ("S&W Russian")

The revolver was tested and here are the results it showed:

when shooting at boards (pine) with a thickness of 25 mm at a distance of 25 steps with a distance of one inch, 3,65 boards were pierced, that is, three through and through, and in the fourth the bullet got stuck;

at a distance of 50 paces, the bullet pierced 2,75 boards;

but for 100 steps only one, however, and this seemed quite enough!

Accuracy was also considered satisfactory:

At a distance of 15 paces, the radius of the best half of the bullets was 8,9 cm;

25 steps - 12,6 cm;

and 50 steps - 21 cm.

Well, his rate of fire was such that from a soldier's model (that is, without self-cocking), the shooter could release all six charges in just ten seconds (!), And then, reloading the revolver, 24 shots in two minutes.


Lemonade Joe is a wonderful 1964 parody of Western Westerns, filmed in Czechoslovakia. By the way, Joe is holding a Smith and Wesson revolver of the "Russian model"

The adopted model of 1869 in Russia received the official name "4,2-line revolver of the Smith-Wesson system" and had the following main features: a 4,2 line caliber (10,67 mm), a six-round drum, an eight-inch barrel (203 mm) and a cartridge with a Berdan primer for center ignition. A very important quality of the revolver was its quick reloading.

The revolver was designed in such a way that it "broke" in half, and at the same time all spent cartridges were simultaneously (and automatically) removed from the drum. True, the revolver originally had a trigger mechanism of only single action, but this was again the requirement of our military. After all, a loaded revolver weighed about 1,5 kg, which, in their opinion, made self-cocking firing from it inaccurate.

The first model that came to Russia was designated by the index I. And in total, the Smith & Wesson company supplied us with more than 250 thousand of their revolvers. And for a long time (because of this) it was a little-known enterprise in the United States itself, since she worked tirelessly on the Russian order.


The hero of our film, although they are not comparable in content, is certainly "more epic"!

In total, the Russian imperial army used three models of revolvers, respectively, 1871, 1872 and 1880. release, which primarily differed from one another in barrel length: 203 mm, 178 mm (seven inches), 165 mm (six and a half inches) and a number of small parts.

By the way, the model III of 1880, although it had the shortest barrel in comparison with all the others, nevertheless had quite sufficient destructive power: its bullet at a distance of 20 m pierced four inch pine boards.

The external difference (and the most noticeable one that distinguished the "Russian model" from all the others) was a protrusion on the body behind the trigger, which prevented the handle from "sliding" when firing into the palm, and a "spur" on the trigger guard (which increased the convenience of using the revolver when shooting from a horse ), introduced (as they say!) with the filing of the Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich, who was hunting buffalo with a Smith and Wesson revolver!


Smith and Wesson No. 3, Turkish Model, c. 1879 to 1880. Weight 1230 g, barrel length 159 mm (6,25 inches), overall length 304 mm (11,96 inches). Royal Arsenal, Copenhagen


And this is how they look in the box!

In addition, for the officers in the mid-1880s in the United States ordered a small batch of self-cocking "Smith and Wesson" No. 3 model 1880, which had a double action trigger. He received the name "Smith-Wesson revolver, officer's standard, triple action." Why "triple action"? Yes, because the trigger on it could also be put in the "third position" - that is, on the safety platoon. Therefore, these revolvers had a developed trigger, which made it possible to create strong pressure on it with a finger, and the bracket around it was large.

The cartridge had a brass sleeve, which contained a charge of black powder in 1/3 of the spool (1 spool - 4,265 grams), and a bullet that had a length of 1,5 calibers and a weight of 3,5 spool. The bullet was provided with three annular grooves stuffed with "cannon fat", which made it possible to lubricate the barrel and protect it from the harmful effects of powder gases. Well, his bullet speed was quite decent - about 210 m / s.

By the way, it soon became clear that the destructive power of the revolver bullet is even higher than the bullets of the Berdan rifle, which had the same caliber, precisely because of its lower initial velocity! That is, the Russian imperial army received at its disposal extremely powerful and modern weapons at that time. And yet she was unhappy with him.


"Smith and Wesson" No. 3, model 1880, gift copy. Made in Germany by order of the Russian government at Ludwig von Loewe & Co, between 1880 and 1885. Technique: engraving, gilding, niello, ivory carving. Overall length: 30,7 cm; barrel length: 16,7 cm; caliber: 10,7 mm. State Hermitage, St. Petersburg

I am dissatisfied, however, not at all with its ballistic characteristics and convenient reloading (although there were also complaints about it). No, the revolver was disliked for being too heavy.

It soon became clear that soldiers and officers did not have to use it in battle so often. But carrying one and a half kilograms of iron on your side is inconvenient. The belt with the holster slid to one side, and for some reason they did not think of two shoulder belts that appeared in the Russian army in the XNUMXth century. The cord (so as not to lose the revolver!), Fixed to its handle, was inconvenient, since it looped around the neck and created a direct threat of suffocation of the shooter. So many scolded "Smith and Wesson", but there were those who praised him.

For example, in No. 32 of the magazine "Russian invalid" for 1892, it was written:

“And so the system of carrying a revolver in a holster on a waist belt should have been kept unchanged, the revolving cord should be abolished; the Smith and Wesson revolvers should be left as before, because, in addition to excellent fighting qualities, in fact, as a firearm, this revolver in hand-to-hand combat is an equally excellent edged weapon in its massiveness and in the crushing blows it inflicts.

And yes, indeed, this revolver, taken by the barrel, was a real club, although its creators hardly planned it for such use.

Therefore, it so happened that in 1895 "Smith and Wesson" replaced the Nagant revolver, which was much lighter and smaller in size, although it was reloaded in the most primitive way, through the "Abadi door" that closed the drum chambers by turning sideways , and on the right side, by analogy with Colt's revolvers in the early 1870s, which made him completely uncomfortable for the same cavalry.


Revolver carbine, 1871 with a long barrel and wooden stock (Hatington Museum of Art, West Virginia)

The Small Russian Model Smith-Wesson was also produced - as a civilian weapon of caliber 38 (9,7 mm), with a short barrel and even without a trigger bow.

In addition to the USA and the Tula Arms Plant, these revolvers chambered for the "Russian cartridge" .44 were also produced by some European firms. For example, a self-cocking lightweight sample with a short barrel was made in Belgium. And among the officers of the Russian army, it was very popular precisely because of its reduced weight.

In general, the Smith and Wesson revolvers served a long service in Russia. When they were taken out of service by the army, they were handed over to the Russian police. During the First World War, the "Smith-Wessons" remaining in the army warehouses were given to the militia, rear and auxiliary services of the army, and some part were converted into rocket launchers. Until 1917, foresters and road rangers served with them, since they were not given guns, so that there would be no temptation to engage in poaching.

In 1879 Russia transferred 2000 revolvers of the 1874 model and 100 cartridges to the Bulgarian army. In November 000, on the eve of the war with Serbia, it was armed with 1885 revolvers, and before its entry into the First World War - 1612. Then one thousand revolvers mod. In 1112, Japan purchased from the USA and used them during the Russo-Japanese War. And then on the basis of this revolver in the Land of the Rising Sun they created their own model - the Hino revolver.


An advertisement for a Smith & Wesson "triple action" hammerless revolver, 1887. Photo from the Smith & Wesson website

They sold Smith-Wessons to Turkey, Mexico and even Australia, as well as to China. However, in no other country in the world have they been found in such numbers as here, in Russia!


Still from The Last Days of Frank and Jesse James. Everyone has a Smith & Wesson in their hands!

By the way, despite its rarity in the USA, "S&W Russian" and similar models were very popular in the Wild West. So, in different years such famous personalities were armed with them - shooters and law enforcement officers like Wyatt Earp, his brother Virgil, Pat Garrett and others, and on the other hand, equally well-known criminals like Billy Kid and John Hardin, Jesse James and Bob Ford. So, it was from this .44 caliber revolver that Ford shot in the back and killed Jesse James ...


Well, for our "Bear" everything ended well, just very well!
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  1. bandabas
    bandabas 23 December 2020 18: 09
    +17
    Lemonade Joe is truly a classic, albeit a parody movie.
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 23 December 2020 18: 21
      +19
      Lemonade Joe is truly a classic

      The Czechs made wonderful parodies - "The Ghost of Morrisville Castle", "Adela hasn't had dinner yet" - that's just what we saw.
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 23 December 2020 18: 35
        +6
        “Adela hasn’t had dinner yet” - I haven’t looked, so I’ll see, but “The Ghost of Morrisville Castle” - yes yes !!!
      2. kalibr
        23 December 2020 19: 01
        +3
        But the film "The Mystery of the Carpathian Castle" in 1981 failed ...
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 23 December 2020 19: 46
          +8
          Hi, Vyacheslav. hi

          Neither in my museum, nor in the storehouse of the Museum of the Armed Forces, nor in the weapons department of Mosfilm, have I ever seen Smith's "Russian Model" with self-cocking. Moreover, I have not even heard of her. Maybe I was out of luck, but ...
          ... for the officers in the mid-1880s in the United States ordered a small batch of self-cocking "Smith and Wesson" No. 3 model 1880, which had a double action trigger.

          Where is the photo, or at least a technical drawing of this self-cocking and army model. Sample in the studio! Only not from the pre-revolutionary catalogs of weapons firms, there is a devil that they could print.
          1. kalibr
            23 December 2020 20: 13
            +7
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Where is the photo, or at least a technical drawing of this self-cocking and army model.

            In the USA, in Paris ... In auction houses that sell them for a lot of money. I look at them, read the descriptions, but I can't use ...
          2. soloveyav
            soloveyav 23 December 2020 20: 41
            +5
            Most likely you need to look for information on the supply of SW 1st Model .44 Double Action. It is often confused with the third model (except for the trigger, they are similar in appearance). Maybe somewhere in the US and surfaced with Russian brands. At least the device supplied to Russia is hardly different, except maybe there was a spur.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 23 December 2020 20: 59
              +8
              Good evening, Alexander.

              Here's everything I came across in a hurry from 44 Double Action "Russian Model".


              Belgian copy of "Russian Smith-Wesson"


              The decorated .3 "Russian" caliber Smith & Wesson Model 44 Navy revolver with a self-cocking trigger mechanism and a barrel length of 6,5 inches may have been prepared by the firm for a gift to Russia in the hope of promoting the model to the Russian army.

              Nothing else.
              1. soloveyav
                soloveyav 23 December 2020 21: 08
                +3
                Good evening
                https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/revolvers/smith-wesson-revolvers-antique/-quot-smith-wesson-44-russian-ah4792-quot-.cfm?gun_id=101353023
                https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/revolvers/smith-wesson-revolvers-antique/smith-wesson-quot-favorite-model-quot-.cfm?gun_id=101029999
                There is no particular faith in the descriptions, but as a sample of the species they will go - caliber 44 Russian, 6 rounds, double action
                1. soloveyav
                  soloveyav 23 December 2020 21: 24
                  +3
                  And the model is not the most popular and well-known - folding drums appeared in the 1890s and fractures left the stage. In total, they were made in 44 caliber around 55, which is a trifle against the background of the same 000 models.
          3. Undecim
            Undecim 24 December 2020 14: 57
            +5
            Where is the photo, or at least a technical drawing of this self-cocking and army model. Sample in the studio!
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 25 December 2020 04: 34
              +1
              And when, where and by whom it was adopted, there were purchases, or something like that.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 26 December 2020 01: 04
                +2
                In the mid-1880s, Russia purchased from the United States a small batch of a new model of the Smith-Wesson No. 3 DA revolver (DA - double action) of the 1880 model, which had a more advanced self-cocking firing mechanism. He received the designation "Smith-Wesson revolver, officer model, triple action", because the trigger was returnable, that is, it had an automatic setting on the safety platoon. This lightweight and reduced revolver, also designed to use the .44 Russian revolver cartridge, was intended only for arming the officers.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 26 December 2020 23: 18
                  +2
                  Russia bought a small batch of a new model from the USA

                  Thank you, now it is clear that it was not adopted for service.
          4. Duke Eventier
            Duke Eventier 4 March 2021 13: 59
            0
            Here is a photo...
      3. Van 16
        Van 16 23 December 2020 20: 17
        +6
        "The Czechs made wonderful parodies"

        There was also a rather interesting cartoon parody by Jules Verne "The Mystery of the Back-Cap Island"
        1. kalibr
          23 December 2020 20: 36
          +6
          Yes, based on his novel Aligning the Banner.
        2. Catfish
          Catfish 25 December 2020 04: 24
          +2
          I saw this film, it looked pretty funny, especially on a wide screen in a cinema. smile
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 23 December 2020 18: 25
      +4
      I still remember phrases from there
      "Whoever drinks a loco-colo hits a fly aptly" laughing
      1. kalibr
        23 December 2020 19: 00
        +9
        Sergei! "To hit a fly accurately, you have to drink a bell!" Just do not be offended, I am not out of harm ...
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 23 December 2020 19: 07
          +5
          Quote: kalibr
          Just do not be offended, I am not out of harm ...

          I didn't think. A mistake, she's a mistake in Africa laughing
          But the meaning is the same laughing
  2. Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 23 December 2020 18: 20
    +5
    Good article. I read it with interest.
    Thanks to the author hi
    The gun is good, no words. But 1.5kg of weight certainly kills
    1. kalibr
      23 December 2020 18: 23
      +9
      There will be an article about a revolver very similar to "Smith" of a very original design ...
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 23 December 2020 18: 27
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        There will be an article about a revolver very similar to "Smith" of a very original design ...

        I am pleased to read hi
    2. ximkim
      ximkim 23 December 2020 19: 09
      +4

      Weight matters)
      1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
        Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 19: 21
        +4
        Specific point:
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 23 December 2020 19: 32
          -2
          Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
          Specific point:

          Nooo, to miss constantly on one side 1.5 kg, it's unpleasant
          1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
            Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 20: 15
            +5
            Quote: Lipchanin
            Nooo, to miss constantly on one side 1.5 kg, it's unpleasant

            It depends on why. On a walk in the taiga, I would rather carry a one and a half kilogram smitivesson than a four kilogram (in running order), unwieldy pump.
            1. Lipchanin
              Lipchanin 23 December 2020 20: 24
              -1
              Quote: Boris ⁣Razor
              Looking for what

              I'm talking about everyday life
              1. Fat
                Fat 23 December 2020 21: 06
                +5
                Quote: Lipchanin
                about everyday life

                Are you seriously? Grandpa Colt and S&W are very serious arguments in the battle "for the harvest". Even the Colorado potato beetle will not take more of the marauder. laughing
            2. kalibr
              23 December 2020 20: 35
              +3
              By the way, even bears were hunted with them! In my opinion, there was about this in the magazine ARMS and that the bullet of the revolver was even more lethal than a Berdan one of the same caliber!
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 23 December 2020 21: 48
                +1
                Quote: kalibr
                , they even hunted bears with them!

                I read the comparison with the Berdanka in your article, I immediately understood - it is! ))
            3. not main
              not main 23 December 2020 23: 36
              +2
              Quote: Boris ⁣ Shaver
              Quote: Lipchanin
              Nooo, to miss constantly on one side 1.5 kg, it's unpleasant

              It depends on why. On a walk in the taiga, I would rather carry a one and a half kilogram smitivesson than a four kilogram (in running order), unwieldy pump.

              I would prefer a choke! Although ... who and for what went into the taiga?
              1. Boris ⁣ Shaver
                Boris ⁣ Shaver 24 December 2020 00: 03
                +2
                Quote: non-primary
                I would prefer a choke!

                Heavy, not for long walks. And I don’t have such experience that a couple of shots would probably be enough.

                Quote: non-primary
                Although ... who and for what went into the taiga?

                Behind the fog and behind the smell)
                Well, business once demanded it often.
  3. stroybat ZABVO
    stroybat ZABVO 23 December 2020 18: 37
    +13
    At 7 hi from Argentina
    My friend has a S&W Russian. Made in the USA.
    I want to exchange everything with him.
    "Wish me luck in battle ......"
    1. kalibr
      23 December 2020 18: 59
      +5
      Enviable, already horror! What are your own arms brands in Argentina? I have not yet written about Argentina's weapons.
      1. Kamaz
        Kamaz 23 December 2020 19: 49
        +4
        Bersa pistols are not very bad. Colts and Browns were made in the same way under license, the quality is like the original.
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 29 December 2020 17: 30
          0
          To be fair: Bersa is more likely a "daughter of" Beretta "
  4. Dimide
    Dimide 23 December 2020 18: 44
    +3
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, the question is, what caused the victory of "Nagan" in the tender for replacing the short-barreled barrel, because "Nagan" has a specific cartridge, and the convenience of reloading ...? Wasn't there a worthy competitor?
    1. kalibr
      23 December 2020 18: 57
      +5
      Quote: Dimid
      Vyacheslav Olegovich, the question is, what caused the victory of "Nagan" in the tender for replacing the short-barreled barrel, because "Nagan" has a specific cartridge, and the convenience of reloading ...? Wasn't there a worthy competitor?

      I think there will be about this ...
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 23 December 2020 19: 29
      +5
      Quote: Dimid
      what caused the victory of "Nagant" in the tender for replacing the short-barreled, because "Nagan" has a specific cartridge, and the convenience of reloading ...?

      Crazy commission demands.
      1. Fat
        Fat 23 December 2020 21: 14
        +3
        Tell us what you need to do to change the drum in the "Nagant" system. Tell. I have a Molotov signal lamp on the 1919 frame. I will be grateful. Cho tryndet something superfluous? When is a sample inaccessible?
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 23 December 2020 21: 26
          +1
          Quote: Thick
          Tell us what you need to do to change the drum in the "Nagant" system.

          And what does it have to do with it?
          Quote: Thick
          Cho tryndet something superfluous?

          That's it.
          1. Fat
            Fat 23 December 2020 22: 08
            +1
            Hold the mechanism in your hands, use it, and you will understand a lot ... What a banality! That's it!
            How this weapon lasted more than half a century, and even got developed in modern models of sports weapons. I never said that "revolver" was a role model, but for its time it was an advanced system.
            I recommend: take the sample in your hands and sort it out, without looking at the instructions - you will go nuts how "folk" this thing is.
    3. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 23 December 2020 21: 53
      +2
      Quote: Dimid
      what caused the victory of "Nagant" at the tender for replacing the short-barreled, because "Nagan" has a specific cartridge, and the convenience of reloading ... Wasn't there a worthy competitor?

      Almost every sample has both advantages and disadvantages.
      By the way, there were still those competitors ...
      1. Dimide
        Dimide 23 December 2020 22: 01
        -1
        I agree with you, but it is not clear what the commission was guided by, the speed and convenience of recharging are still an important point.
        Probably a banal bribe, I read that the Grand Duke was prone to bribery laughing
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 23 December 2020 22: 10
          +1
          What kind of "Grand Duke"?
          1. Dimide
            Dimide 23 December 2020 22: 15
            +2
            Mikhail Nikolaevich, if I'm not mistaken
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 23 December 2020 22: 23
              +3
              You are not mistaken in the sense that he was General Feldzheichmeister. But suspicions of corruption ... are unlikely. He was not the man. But there were such rumors about his son and part-time successor as head of the Russian artillery. Solid or not, God knows. Reviews of him as a leader are quite polarized.
              1. Dimide
                Dimide 23 December 2020 22: 32
                0
                Believe me, I don’t even remember what the material touched, it was just deposited in my memory wassat
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 23 December 2020 22: 44
                  +4
                  Here is the thing, among our people the fact that the boss is a thief is an axiom. And as for the great dukes to write disgusting for zadrast. And among them there were really downright eccentrics.
                  But not all.
  5. svp67
    svp67 23 December 2020 18: 58
    +5
    And the revolver is good and the film is excellent, with such artists ...




  6. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 23 December 2020 19: 08
    +6
    Long awaited article, thanks!
    1. kalibr
      23 December 2020 20: 07
      +4
      He promised - did! But not only depends on me ...
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  8. Fat
    Fat 23 December 2020 19: 22
    +6
    So I lived like that! look what the Grand Duke has in the holster
  9. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 23 December 2020 19: 29
    +6
    Sorry, off topic, but from the heart: "Bear, bourbon, monster !!!"
    1. Van 16
      Van 16 23 December 2020 20: 31
      +7
      "Wow, how angry I am, how angry I am!" smile
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 23 December 2020 21: 21
        +4
        "Outside, a view of complete monastic delight, but inside ... (bang from Smith) ... and inside - Crocodile !!!" smile
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 23 December 2020 23: 48
          +6
          "Dundee" (C)
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 24 December 2020 01: 09
            +3
            "Dundee" (C)


            Woman.
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 24 December 2020 01: 12
              +8
              Babba Gump. laughing

  10. Avior
    Avior 23 December 2020 19: 46
    +6
    Judging by Lemonade Joe, there is a better weapon than the described revolver! The main villain was finished off with a corkscrew ...
  11. Catfish
    Catfish 23 December 2020 20: 01
    +5
    Lemonade Joe is a wonderful 1964 parody of Western Westerns, filmed in Czechoslovakia. By the way, Joe is holding a Smith and Wesson revolver of the "Russian model"


    By the way, this is not a Russian model, but a "provincial" state "Smith".


    Attention to the handle and trigger guard of L. Joe's revolvers.





    As there is an American and nothing Russian. hi

    Olegych, not for self-interest, but for justice. drinks
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 23 December 2020 20: 11
      +10
      Here you, Konstantin, did not guess.

      Smith & Wesson S&W No. 3 Russian 1st Model did not differ from the standard third model, except for the.
      And all the changes came from the second sample.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 23 December 2020 20: 23
        +6
        I was referring to visually visible changes, such as spurs. The "stuffing" was improved after the first 1500 contract revolvers were manufactured.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 23 December 2020 20: 47
        +7
        I confess I was wrong. request All visible external changes were made after the signing of the second contract in 1873 - the frame and handle were changed, a spur was added, the barrel was reduced to 7 inches, the spoke on the trigger was increased. This revolver was named the second sample.
        1. kalibr
          23 December 2020 20: 53
          +3
          Well, this is nonsense. There you can see something bad. I just do not like it when they tell me that I have not finished watching something. This happens, of course, but very rarely.
      3. Yellow bubble
        Yellow bubble 31 January 2021 12: 48
        0
        Revolver model 1869.
    2. kalibr
      23 December 2020 20: 15
      +5

      The ledge is highlighted in red. It is clearly visible. The American behind the trigger has everything smooth ...
      1. Zaits
        Zaits 24 December 2020 04: 27
        +2
        Smith & Wesson No. 3, the New Model also has a slight protrusion, although not as pronounced as the Russian models.
    3. kalibr
      23 December 2020 20: 50
      +4
      The protrusion behind the trigger is clearly visible!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 23 December 2020 21: 06
        +3
        Here just no.
        1. Lexus
          Lexus 24 December 2020 00: 01
          +6
          The resolution is such that I actually imagined a Scofield lever ...
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 24 December 2020 01: 11
            +4
            "... what to do, Faust." (c)
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 24 December 2020 01: 17
              +7
              Shoot! ("Run Forrest, run!" (C)) VO does not like laconic comments - I had to remember a phrase from a wonderful movie. Best of the best, just in case. wink
            2. Fat
              Fat 24 December 2020 05: 35
              +2
              Father, I wrote down a couple - three options here, but nothing more optimistic "LET'S LIVE!" did not occur to my head.
              Faust:
              I am an earthly worm, I know my appearance ... "(c) Goethe does not rule, although he is good!
  12. Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 23 December 2020 20: 03
    +6
    And it so happened that after the Crimean War, the Russian imperial army, or rather not the army itself, but the ranks who commanded it, finally realized that the need to arm with modern weapons is not a whim, but a severe necessity.

    Incorrect wording. The realization of this need was quite enough for myself. Just before the Crimean War, there were two revolutions in firearms. 1) transition from flint to capsule 2) transition to thread. On the first ours were in time, but on the second they were late. But this does not mean that there was no understanding.
    I remember there was material about the cannons of the Franco-Prussian times. And the Prussians, if you remember, won in many ways thanks to more modern art, while the Franks had only alterations from smooth-bore "Napoleons". But later I learned that in fact the Franks had more than a thousand of the latest breech-loading cannons, which they stupidly did not have time to put into the troops! So everything happens. Mess and the army are synonymous not only in Russia.
    Well, and its rate of fire was such that from a soldier's model (that is, without self-cocking)

    Self-cocking at Smith-Wesson? You're a joker :)))
    Confused with Nagan?
    True, the revolver originally had a trigger mechanism of only single action

    changed your mind? :)))
    By the way, the American versions also had a single action mechanism. The EMNIP double appeared only in the 1899 model.
    In general, the revolver is good (as well as the material)
    1. kalibr
      23 December 2020 20: 22
      +5
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      Self-cocking at Smith-Wesson? You're a joker :)))
      Confused with Nagan?

      Remember once and for all that I NEVER confuse ANYTHING. There may be inaccuracies in the translation .. But in this case, the source is ours. Authors are authoritative ... We open the edition FIRE WEAPON published by AVANTA + p.99. close-up photo. Year 1881 ... to 1913

      So your EMNIP is inaccurate!
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 23 December 2020 21: 21
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        Remember once and for all that I NEVER confuse ANYTHING.

        Never again? :))) I'll remember.
        However, in this case, I must apologize. I got interested in the topic and started digging.
        In the mid-1880s, Russia purchased from the United States a small batch of a new model of the Smith-Wesson N3 DA revolver (DA - double action) of the 1880 model, which had a more advanced self-cocking firing mechanism.

        https://forum.guns.ru/forum_light_message/36/825958.html
        as far as I understand, here it is (but I won't put my teeth on the rail :)))


        P.S. EMNIP - means If My Memory Doesn't Change.
        Has changed. It happens.
        1. kalibr
          24 December 2020 09: 48
          0
          In fact, the sample is different. This one: Originally designed in 1882 for the Russian Government. Samples of the revolver were sent to Russia in 1882, however a Contract never materialized and the revolvers were kept in stock until 1888 when they were added to the Smith & Wesson Catalog and sold here in the US
          Estimated at about 1000 manufactured from 1882 - 1883. https://www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/revolvers/antique-revolvers-cartridge/smith-wesson-quot-favorite-model-quot-.cfm ? gun_id = 101029999
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 23 December 2020 21: 30
        +5
        I have just looked through the books on weapons from the AVANT island, but I have not found the names of the authors anywhere, there are the names of the editors, and such names as Aksyonova and Kuznetsov do not tell me anything, thank God Syoma Fedoseev did not get caught, he is still special.
        1. kalibr
          23 December 2020 22: 00
          +4

          Look at who the authors are ...
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 23 December 2020 22: 47
            +7
            I worked with Shokorev for ten years, he is an excellent specialist in hunting, sporting and flint-capsular weapons, otherwise not very well.
            I know Plotnikov well, we talked regularly, and I completely trust him with all weapons chambered in a unitary cartridge.
            I don't know Dragunov at all.
            1. kalibr
              24 December 2020 06: 51
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              I worked with Shokorev for ten years, he is an excellent specialist in hunting, sporting and flint-capsular weapons, otherwise not very well.
              I know Plotnikov well, we talked regularly, and I completely trust him with all weapons chambered in a unitary cartridge.

              You see, Constantine, it means the source is good.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 24 December 2020 06: 53
                +1
                The source is good, but the authors are different. request
                1. kalibr
                  24 December 2020 09: 41
                  +2
                  And here is a source in the United States. In color with a beautiful handle ... https: //www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/revolvers/antique-revolvers-cartridge/-quot-smith-wesson-44-russian
            2. Fat
              Fat 25 December 2020 00: 04
              +2
              Father, I knew Dragunov personally, but the knowledge that he was the author of a sniper rifle did not bring me any bonuses. M-dya ... recourse
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 25 December 2020 04: 32
                +2
                Andrei, thank you very much for the "father", before that I was only an "uncle", and so, you see, they will soon write to the patriarchs. laughing
                Here we are not talking about Evgeny Fedorovich, "the author of the sniper rifle", but about Evgeny Mikhailovich, who is "the author of what is unknown."
                So you are familiar with Fedorovich, the creator of the SVD, and would write about him here, it is interesting to read an unofficial biography.
                1. Fat
                  Fat 25 December 2020 11: 26
                  +2
                  Konstantin, there was one excursion through the weapon guts of Izhevsk. An experiment in the field of career guidance. I ended up with a friend, a student of an industrial technical school. The sniper's father looked at the crowd of cheerleaders over his glasses like a boa constrictor at rabbits, said a few words like "dare young" and went about his business.
                  Second case. There was some kind of jubilee banquet that my older sister dragged me to. The conversation was more productive drinks, the truth about the eternal theme - broads.
                  The third case is very recent. I went with my sisters to the Khokhryakovskoye cemetery to see my parents at the grave. Found the resting place of Evgeny Fedorovich. It is clear that the conversation did not take place, but at least he bowed.
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 25 December 2020 11: 31
                    0
                    With the parent of SVDshki it is productive about women! If you cannot describe the "dawn", your comrades will be censured for all. drinks
                    1. Fat
                      Fat 25 December 2020 11: 44
                      0
                      This is more related to my sister, she is very beautiful and wise ...
                      What dawn ?! I will not describe, I. I did not see her (the morning then, as usual, was not the best) repeat
                      Maybe something else, specific, meant?
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 25 December 2020 12: 00
                        +2
                        I meant a conversation with Dragunov about the female sex (about women)))
      3. Fat
        Fat 23 December 2020 21: 31
        +4
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, the topic of "categorical" is forever in the past, isn't it? EMNIP he is EMNIP ... lol
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 23 December 2020 21: 50
          +6
          Even from the most pleasant, well-mannered and delicate person, sometimes an inner beast can break out.
          1. kalibr
            23 December 2020 22: 01
            +5
            Well, Ivan, I am not the most pleasant, not the most educated and far from delicate person ... I really am. It's too late to re-educate.
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 23 December 2020 22: 10
              +5
              Me too :))) and also vindictive tongue
              1. kalibr
                23 December 2020 22: 17
                +3
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                and vindictive

                I can imagine how many flea searches await me now ...
                1. Senior seaman
                  Senior seaman 23 December 2020 22: 24
                  +3
                  Are you afraid? You're doing the right thing :)))
                  1. kalibr
                    24 December 2020 06: 50
                    +1
                    Quote: Senior Sailor
                    Are you afraid? You're doing the right thing :)))

                    I just don't want to waste time, as it was in this case.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 23 December 2020 22: 51
            +7
            Why scare people so much, and suddenly he will not sleep at night now, or will spend the entire advance on mousetraps? laughing
            1. Lexus
              Lexus 24 December 2020 00: 04
              +8
              Quote: Sea Cat
              Why scare people so much, and suddenly he will not sleep at night now, or will spend the entire advance on mousetraps?

          3. Fat
            Fat 24 December 2020 05: 52
            +4
            Not to O. V. is ... HE is a fighter in kind. You just didn’t catch him!
  13. Blue fox
    Blue fox 23 December 2020 20: 24
    +6
    They fired from this in 2003 in the North Caucasus Military District, half of the rounds misfired, but the second ones hit the palm with a powerful recoil. Aiming was not easy, even with both hands due to the weight and uncomfortable spur. At 15 meters, a bucket of water mangled like a large-caliber cartridge. At 25 meters after a couple of shots, you can really only hit the horse, the hand gets tired. Then he fell into the abyss, and an avalanche descended on him from above.
    1. Fat
      Fat 24 December 2020 00: 58
      +2
      Blue Fox, translated into Russian - Arctic fox. I'm a manufacturer with idiosyncrasy to someone else's brand, especially with a photo from the catalog, as an avatar. Who are the owners of the brand, I know very well. If you work for a company, it's one thing, I'll take it. Write in a personal.
      To be honest. You raised the pressure for me regardless of the content of the post. belay am
  14. bistrov.
    bistrov. 23 December 2020 22: 32
    +3
    I have long dreamed of finding one in my collection, up to a pair of Berdan carbines, of which very few were released (they were used to arm the gunners), but alas, if they do occur, they cannot be restored.
  15. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 23 December 2020 23: 21
    +2
    Good people, do it! I went to VO today ... I looked ... I went on! In passing I go to the site "I was crying" and ... the screeching of brakes, the smell of burned rubber (tires)! there also flaunts the article "Quickly reload and kill the horse ..." ...! Moreover, the author of the posting of the article on that site narrates something like this: I am walking, so I am not bothering anyone ... suddenly in the ditch a roarOlver flashed! I grab him (!) ... and he is drawn (!) .... in some article! I looked around ... (who lost?), And there is no one near! Well, I took the article and moved on! And then I think ... time goes by ... why should the article be lost !? So I posted it! And his readers also praise him: well done, they say! I did it right! The article is interesting ... it's nice to read!
    I would like to hear from Vyacheslav Olegovich what kind of situation?
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 24 December 2020 00: 02
      +6
      And what is there incomprehensible. They also immediately indicate where the article and the link are from.
      Once again, while slutting around your internet, I came across an entertaining article, which I hasten to share with the Dear Public.

      So, there will be 12 pictures and the text atsedova ©
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 24 December 2020 09: 08
        +1
        Something specific instructions (whose article ...) I did not notice! Maybe in vain I was "indignant" ... the reason is that a misfortune happened to a person close to me ... I have been sleeping a little lately ... my head has already become "bad" ... alcohol does not help ... there was a "comment" that it would be better to keep ...
  16. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 24 December 2020 04: 05
    +2
    I had such a sample of 1872, the spur was really broken off, but that it was heavy is true.
  17. serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 24 December 2020 06: 16
    +3
    Immediately after the end of the civil war, * S-B * were removed from service with the Red Army and transferred to the VOKHR. There they were written off in 1925-26 due to complete physical wear and tear. The article is a huge plus!
  18. Yurahip
    Yurahip 24 December 2020 09: 53
    0
    Lemonade Joe, Lemonade Joe ...
    The leader of the Redskins! Business people! Soul mates! These films should have been in the title of an article about the Russian Smith und Wesson! Flaw, Author ...
    1. kalibr
      24 December 2020 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: Jurachip
      Flaw, Author ...

      It depends on how you look at it. They look much better in the frames from "The Bear" than in Joe. Our article is not about cinema, but about revolvers. So the picture is the most important thing.
      1. Yurahip
        Yurahip 24 December 2020 17: 22
        -1
        Review Gaidai's films and you will see that this revolver looks much more interesting in the hands of Nikulin and Plata, and more patriotic than that of a Czech-Slovak cowboy!
        1. kalibr
          24 December 2020 17: 29
          +1
          Quote: Jurachip
          Review Gaidai's films and see that this revolver looks much more interesting in the hands of Nikulin and Plyata

          I have nothing to do ...
          Quote: Jurachip
          and more patriotic than a Czech-Slovak cowboy!

          Patriotism is by no means in cinema ...
          But if you like it, here's the topic: "Famous revolvers in Soviet cinema." Try it! Let this be your VO debut. I already wrote here and one new author confirmed it that anyone will write one article on a topic of interest to you!
  19. Captain45
    Captain45 24 December 2020 14: 44
    0
    The Small Russian Model Smith-Wesson was also produced - as a civilian weapon of caliber 38 (9,7 mm), with a short barrel and even without a trigger bow.(C)
    Now I don’t remember, but in some publication about the Russian police came across information that such a model "SW" was made by order of the Russian criminal police for agents working in civilian clothes. Is there any information about this?
    1. kalibr
      25 December 2020 17: 49
      0
      Quote: Captain45
      The Small Russian Model Smith-Wesson was also produced - as a civilian weapon of caliber 38 (9,7 mm), with a short barrel and even without a trigger bow.(C)
      Now I don’t remember, but in some publication about the Russian police came across information that such a model "SW" was made by order of the Russian criminal police for agents working in civilian clothes. Is there any information about this?

      I don’t know, unfortunately.
  20. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 31 January 2021 12: 35
    0
    The Americans have a different version about the spur. The spur was introduced by the Russians for two-handed shooting in the manner of shooting for police officers, this is what shooting is called in America in Russian, it makes it possible to shoot more accurately, and when injured, the shooter's organs are struck once, and not several, as when standing on a sports side and there is a chance to survive. From American sources, I didn’t come up with it myself, honestly !!! By the way, the Germans made about 40000 revolvers for Russia, the rest were produced in Tula.
  21. Old warrior
    Old warrior 9 February 2021 01: 50
    0
    I want this. smile
  22. Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 25 February 2021 01: 07
    0
    I had this, 2nd sample of 1872, Russian version.
  23. Gunfighter95
    Gunfighter95 29 May 2021 23: 10
    0
    It is a pity that not a single photo of S&W # 3 from the order for the Russian army has been shown. Only uninformative footage from films, a couple of glamorous Turks and a "German" under Khokhloma ... :(
    In the third photo above, Smith has nothing to do with the Russian order.
    Revolver "Smith and Wesson" No. 3 Russian ("S&W Russian")

    This is the New Model No. 3 or "American" - made "based on" the Russian SV No. 3 and for advertising purposes in the catalogs it was also often called the "Russian Model".

    The external difference (and the most noticeable one that distinguished the "Russian model" from all the others) was the protrusion on the body behind the trigger, which prevented the handle from "sliding" when firing into the palm, and the "spur" on the trigger guard ...

    At the expense of the protrusion is true only for the 2nd and 3rd sample. On the 1st sample, there was none.
    And, probably, all the same, the ledge did not allow the revolver itself to "slide" into the palm, and not the handle.

    Actually, the first sample was still a typical American, "sharpened" for shooting from the hip with "fanning" the trigger with the palm of the other hand.
    Therefore, the handle on the back side is without any protrusions, and the trigger spoke is "raised" up.
    This style of shooting was never practiced in the Russian army.


    Russian SV No. 3 of the first sample





    Therefore, on the second sample, the aforementioned protrusion appeared and the trigger spoke was already adapted for cocking with the thumb.


    Russian SV No. 3 of the third sample


    Russian SV No. 3 of the third sample

    A noteworthy inscription was written on top of the crest of the trunk:
    Smith and Wesson Arms Factory G. Sprigfield America
    (Spelling and style retained)
    1. Gunfighter95
      Gunfighter95 29 May 2021 23: 22
      0
      Once I managed to shoot the first and third models from the Russian SV No. 3 on the set of a TV program about the Russian Smith-Wesson. ...
      I immediately remembered the saying:
      "The war in Crimea is all in smoke, nothing is visible."
      After firing 30-40 rounds, both revolvers got pretty hot.
      Even the frame in the area of ​​the drum was so hot that it was impossible to take it with a bare hand.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi0JOl5X75U

      Here are some very impressive screenshots from this video:


      The breakthrough of gases between the drum and the barrel is clearly visible during the shot






      A large cloud of smoke forms after firing.


      The force of the flame when fired is also impressive.
      1. Gunfighter95
        Gunfighter95 29 May 2021 23: 26
        0
        And smoke, smoke, smoke ...