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In Ukraine, they named the probability of winning the T-64B over the T-90 in a tank duel and announced the multiple superiority of the RF Armed Forces in armored vehicles

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The Ukrainian press is discussing a letter that was written by the laureates of the state prize of the country, who at one time were engaged in developments at the KMDB ("Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering"). The authors of the letter state the multiple superiority of the Russian army over the Ukrainian in armored vehicles.


As noted, this comparison is "disappointing":

It speaks of the total superiority in armored vehicles of the Russian army over the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The letter indicates that the number of modern and modernized tanks in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation number in the thousands. In particular, the presence of numerous units of the T-72B3, T-90M, etc. tanks is indicated.

In general, this is about 12,5 thousand tanks.

In Ukraine, as noted, the number of modernized tanks is only dozens.

For example, tanks like T-84, BM "Oplot", T-80BV, T-80UD - up to 45 units on average.

Further, the ratio of the effectiveness of certain tanks is indicated. In particular, the probability of winning in a T-64B tank duel against a T-72B tank is 61%, a "Ukrainian" tank for a Russian T-90 - no more than 42%.

From the letter:

The probability of winning the T-84 tank over the T-80UD in the duel version of the battle is 0,56. Thus, the intended use by the Russian Federation of up to 950 tanks will have catastrophic consequences for the armored units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the medium term.

It also indicates the ratio of armored personnel carriers, infantry fighting vehicles and other similar armored vehicles in the RF Armed Forces and the Armed Forces of Ukraine. According to Ukrainian employees of KMDB, this ratio is approximately 7,5 to 1.

Further, in the letter of the laureates of the Ukrainian State Prize, the steps that need to be taken “to reduce the gap with Russia to a minimum” are named. In particular, they pointed out the need to create a new combat module, "which would increase the likelihood of winning in a tank duel."

Other recommended steps that, according to the authors of the letter, Ukraine should take by 2023: to establish mass production of armored vehicles at the level of 50 units per year, to create a remote-controlled strike complex carrying ultra-light weapons, to create a floating tracked infantry fighting vehicle of the middle weight category with modifications its modifications, to carry out development work on the creation of 4-stroke diesel engines with a capacity of up to 600 hp.

By 2027, it is proposed to design a new Ukrainian tank, create a heavy infantry fighting vehicle for conducting battles in urbanized areas.

The letter also indicates the need to develop and create new ammunition for the needs of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the importance of creating in the future an automated command and control system of the “company-battalion” level.
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  1. Victor_B
    Victor_B 13 December 2020 08: 11
    +35
    And this was in conditions when the military had its own excellent school of tank building ...
    About ... well, about "polymers" in general!
    As my grandmother used to say: "The priest grabbed the eggs when Easter was over!"
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 December 2020 08: 16
      -7
      Quote: Victor_B
      Pop grabbed the balls

      Are the eggs cool though?
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 13 December 2020 09: 44
        +12
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Are the eggs cool though?

        Painted, definitely!
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 05
        +4
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Are the eggs cool though?

        There is nowhere steeper. With a gold chain around my neck laughing
      3. venik
        venik 13 December 2020 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Quote: Victor_B
        Pop grabbed the balls

        Are the eggs cool though?

        =====
        NOT Iron - that's for sure! lol
    2. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 13 December 2020 08: 17
      +73
      Quote: Victor_B
      when the military had its own excellent school of tank building ...

      Its own, in the sense of Ukrainian, has never been there! This was the Soviet tank building school.
      1. Victor_B
        Victor_B 13 December 2020 08: 29
        +19
        Quote: Vladimir61
        Quote: Victor_B
        when the military had its own excellent school of tank building ...

        Its own, in the sense of Ukrainian, has never been there! This was the Soviet tank building school.

        Well, in everything used by the USSR, the last one is also sucked ... drops of former greatness.
        1. Vladimir61
          Vladimir61 13 December 2020 08: 36
          +15
          Quote: Victor_B
          Well, in everything used by the USSR, the last one is also sucked ... drops of former greatness.
          Interestingly, they will suck when the last ... drops of their former greatness dry up.
          1. Lionnvrsk
            Lionnvrsk 13 December 2020 09: 05
            +18
            Quote: Vladimir61
            Interestingly, they will suck when the last ... drops of their former greatness dry up.

            Turkish greatness will be sucked! If they buy the bayraktar, they will immediately buy it. repeat
            1. seregin-s1
              seregin-s1 13 December 2020 11: 02
              +1
              https://www.pentapostagma.gr/sites/default/files/2020-10/bayraktar-foto.jpg
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 13 December 2020 12: 16
                +9
                In the bottom line, everything is fine.
                The laureates explained to those wishing to fight what would happen to them.
                And they explained that under no circumstances can this be changed.
                Just because it’s dumb. hi
                1. Boris Chernikov
                  Boris Chernikov 14 December 2020 20: 35
                  -1
                  another thing is interesting ... that if Russia drives 9 and a half hundred tanks in Ukraine, then their use in any case "will have disastrous consequences" because 950 tanks are 23 brigades in fact, and 23 brigades are, in addition to 950 tanks, 2 BMP / armored personnel carrier and 760 km of the offensive zone ... in principle, in Ukraine, there are not even targets for such a quantity of equipment ..
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 14 December 2020 20: 38
                    +1
                    ... in principle, there are no targets for such a large amount of equipment in Ukraine ..

                    So they are scared. wink
            2. Serg koma
              Serg koma 13 December 2020 23: 31
              +8
              Quote: LIONnvrsk
              Turkish greatness will be sucked!

              Honored laureates sit without food, no orders - no work - no salary, but you want to eat crying So they zababahali "concept of development" - maybe at least someone will give something for food
              “Monsieur, it’s not a mange pa sis journal. Goeben world zi bitte etvas kopeck auf dem shtyuk brod. Give something to a former State Duma deputy "
          2. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 09
            +2
            Quote: Vladimir61
            Interestingly, they will suck when the last ... drops of their former greatness dry up.

            They have their own interesting developments lol

            1. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 13 December 2020 11: 08
              +12
              Quote: Lipchanin
              They have their own interesting developments

              You forgot the coolest development about which ukroSMI rushed about for almost a year.
              This is the cardboard tank of a seventh grader prodigy. yes
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 13 December 2020 12: 11
                +5
                Quote: LIONnvrsk
                You forgot the coolest development

                Did not forget. Below is
              2. Bogranz
                Bogranz 13 December 2020 16: 47
                +5
                Well, it means not all is lost: the designer is available, and the waste paper is collected.
              3. Nikita Vinogradov
                Nikita Vinogradov 14 December 2020 10: 46
                +1
                This child prodigy is already preparing to plow the fields of Poland with strawberries ...
            2. 210ox
              210ox 14 December 2020 13: 36
              +1
              Hm .. So that's what you are, "Iron Kaput"!
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          4. Zvonarev
            Zvonarev 14 December 2020 13: 36
            +1
            Memories of how delicious the drops of the past are ...
      2. silverura
        silverura 13 December 2020 15: 40
        -15%
        Its own, in the sense of Ukrainian, has never been there! It was Soviet
        And what is Russian now? Armata? Victory in the Second World War or Rocketry. Korolov, Glushko, Lozino Lozinsky, it seems like I did not look at the Russians at Wikipedia. Oh, and then they decomposed us. As it is sad to be measured by pis-kami, as never before with the fraternal people. Well, nothing, everything is going along a historical spiral.
        1. kzgobi
          kzgobi 13 December 2020 20: 01
          +4
          Those. everything is straightforward there, and in Paradise ... ah, we are here, damn it, in spirals ... T-64b even if it were three bbb, it will remain t-64 ... no union, the exhaust is over ... build something already Ukrainian-64 ... 70 ... 80 ... 90 ... 14 ... build at least something ...
        2. silver_roman
          silver_roman 13 December 2020 23: 50
          +4
          In the midst of the sea of ​​sarcasm, in which even I participated, your ate fasting is noticeable and most of all deserves respect. This is all extremely sad. Totally agree with you. But apart from sarcasm, nothing remains.
        3. Nikita Vinogradov
          Nikita Vinogradov 14 December 2020 10: 59
          +5
          There is a Russian: Su-57, Il-112, MS-21, Superjet New on demolitions, today they launched the super-heavy Angrara, there is the Vostochny cosmodrome, the Zvezda shipyard, which produces ice-class Afromax tankers, the Lomonosov floating nuclear power plant, there is a hypersonic gliding unit Avangard, combat laser Peresvet, unmanned underwater module Poseidon, cruise missiles with a nuclear engine, hypersonic anti-ship missiles Zircon, hypersonic V-Z Dagger, exoskeleton Ratnik, Sevmorput surpassed the revolutions of the USSR, all refineries were transferred to Euro-5, 1st place in the world in grain, 2nd place in shipbuilding, the Russian Federation has started to export meat, bread, butter, chicken, eggs, lard, we are on the 1st place in the world in LNG, provided ourselves with plastic granules, Crimea was returned, but it’s just impossible to list how long we have left the USSR behind ... Although we love and remember. But let's do better.
          1. Sashka
            Sashka 14 December 2020 14: 29
            -1
            Wow, how you have oxidized ... Kissel TV is bearing fruit. But practically all of the above is the development (groundwork) of the USSR. As for lasers and torpedoes, something tells me that these were pre-election tales. We have not been able to supply Armata and the 57th to the troops for many years, but you mean the Peresvet and Poseidons, which are much more difficult from the point of view of production. Well, from the fact that barnyard products and bowels do not make me feel good. Everything has risen in price 2-3 times in half a year. What is it like????? I took the juice 2 years ago for 65 rubles. Now he is already 165 rubles. Laptops 2 months ago were 25t.r., now the same configuration costs 50t.r. Petrol 95 at Rosneft is already 48.60. Are you out of your mind at all? The only thing that we left the USSR far behind is the disregard for the people, colossal class inequality, extortions for everything, even for movement (toll roads)., High prices for everything, low salaries among the people and inexplicably high (10 million a day ) from the sechins, millers and other friends of the guarantor.
            Take off your rose-colored glasses !!!!
            1. Nikita Vinogradov
              Nikita Vinogradov 27 January 2021 16: 19
              0
              you walk in the forest with your whine and "the best practices of the USSR"
              1. Sashka
                Sashka 15 February 2021 00: 55
                0
                But in essence it is weak to answer, Nikita from USB ???
                You don't have to whine further. I'm not interested in communicating with imbeciles ...
          2. silver_roman
            silver_roman 15 December 2020 17: 09
            0
            The point is that the design school of the USSR was created with the participation of many immigrants from the Ukrainian SSR (I don’t want to write Ukrainians even, since those people were not much like modern Ukrainians). But in fact, these are all Russian people, a piece of a huge empire, which was torn apart by the damned enemies. and we - all those who are now mocking the same Ukraine, in fact we need to cry, because This is exactly the situation our enemy is happy with.
            1. Nikita Vinogradov
              Nikita Vinogradov 4 March 2021 17: 55
              0
              имбецил это кто по соку решае что все подорожало в 2-3 раза и ждёт когда ему хорошо станет от экспорта продовольствия. над окраиной надо только глумится - большего это панство не достойно. Украинство - это душевное недомогание. Пока их на шее содержали, они росли и губу дули, а сами - никто.Считающих там себя русскими может 20% наберется... Ты не в теме.
    3. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 13 December 2020 08: 38
      +4
      Its its own ....... but a lot of things have difficulties in the Russian Federation and requires a lot of investment. Armor, Diesel, optics, communications, etc. and without this, the tank (the most beautiful) becomes obsolete in an instant.
    4. aleks neym_2
      aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 09: 06
      +17
      Now these laureate tank builders are taught by a young prodigy on a paper model, who shoots them with matches! Shame and only
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 13
        +9
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Shame and only

        Yes, the video shows how adult men can hardly restrain themselves from such humiliation
        1. aleks neym_2
          aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 11: 03
          +8
          This is exactly what I had in mind: when I looked at these "laureate" dol ... deb ... grandfathers with sour brains - that they are old, that they are young, and the stupidity is the same. Under such "guidance", Ukrainian science will face a "most important" breakthrough (or abscess?) In science and technology. By the way: the Ukrainian dentist has already developed a miniature atomic bomb - so draw your own conclusions, otherwise some are worn with their "zircon"
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 13 December 2020 12: 13
            +5
            Quote: aleks neym_2
            Ukrainian dentist has already developed a miniature atomic bomb

            I have this. On another computer. And they were also going to receive energy from the rotation of the earth. Oh how! laughing
            1. aleks neym_2
              aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 13: 38
              +1
              How! One of my teachers said: the university does not provide knowledge - but expands the horizons. And the "laureate" academics have a clear sign of its narrowing: for mattress loot you can't figure it out yet.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 13 December 2020 13: 43
                +3
                Quote: aleks neym_2
                for the mattress loot you can't figure it out yet.

                "Being determines consciousness" (c)
                1. aleks neym_2
                  aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 14: 19
                  +2
                  Respected! Not "Being", but "Drinking" of the French cognac brand "SAMZHENU-THREE GYCHKI": this is the basis for obtaining a mattress tranche. After taking it on the chest Mona and Nobel get!
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 13 December 2020 14: 28
                    +4
                    Quote: aleks neym_2
                    Respected! Not "Being", but "Drinking" of the French cognac brand "SAMZHENU-THREE GYCHKI": this is the basis for obtaining a mattress tranche. After taking it on the chest Mona and Nobel get!

                    You and I do not drink, but we are treated, but not a teaspoon, but a teaspoon.
                    Yes, drips of heavenly moisture along the periphery of the body.
                    Yes, perish evil spirits, remain pure alcohol
                    Amiiiiin ...
                    1. aleks neym_2
                      aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 14: 45
                      +3
                      We clearly deviated from the topic by discussing the worldwide inventions of the "laureates". Can I give them the address of "ward number 6"?
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 14: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: aleks neym_2
                        Can I give them the address of "ward number 6"?

                        And the name of the attending physician
                      2. aleks neym_2
                        aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 16: 08
                        +2
                        Chekhov, Anton Pavlovich is a great doctor and even wears a pense. How many years have passed, and he foresaw it.
                  2. kytx
                    kytx 14 December 2020 10: 26
                    0
                    you get lost, uncle!
                    Amen! biliatb
      2. Docklishin
        Docklishin 13 December 2020 17: 45
        +3
        And with a Wehrmacht tank on the table. How all these non-brothers got sick.
      3. dmmyak40
        dmmyak40 13 December 2020 22: 17
        +2
        And the lad robs everything in Ukrainian correctly: the model of the Tiger stands in front of him, sculpts from him ... He will finish in the same way as all the cats of the Third Reich.
  2. Terenin
    Terenin 13 December 2020 10: 59
    +6
    By 2027, it is proposed to carry out the design ...

    Also the letter indicates
    All these letters, stuffing and other gestures of some street laureates from the post-Soviet republics are nothing more than a smokescreen of our main enemy - the United States and NATO - to distract attention.
  3. Senka naughty
    Senka naughty 13 December 2020 11: 01
    +2
    It looks like there is nothing more to do for the laureates of the Ukrainian State Prize ..
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 December 2020 13: 44
      +1
      Quote: Senka Mad
      The winners of the Ukrainian State Prize "seem to have nothing more to do ..

      They take an example from the English "scientists" laughing
  4. Imobile
    Imobile 13 December 2020 12: 16
    +8
    My father in the 50s - 70s built factories in Ukraine near Kiev. Village "Brovary" 40 modern factories. During this time in his native Kalinin, Pskov and Smolensk not a single plant. And seeing the Russophobia that was there, he already understood that Russia would be left with nothing. Why did our leaders not understand?
    1. Yok Migarek
      Yok Migarek 13 December 2020 12: 53
      +4
      Quote: Imobile
      My father in the 50s - 70s built factories in Ukraine near Kiev. Village "Brovary" 40 modern factories. During this time in his native Kalinin, Pskov and Smolensk not a single plant. And seeing the Russophobia that was there, he already understood that Russia would be left with nothing. Why did our leaders not understand?

      Because they were already fosterlings of ukraine then
  5. kzgobi
    kzgobi 13 December 2020 19: 51
    0
    There was a Soviet school ... there was no one of its own, and it won't be ... well, pig building ... ... all the tanks were built in the Socialist-Revolutionary ... on the outskirts it didn't work out ...
  6. Old tanker
    Old tanker 14 December 2020 07: 31
    +1
    Yes, they have a lot of plans. Only now, with the collapsed vkhlam, the best tank design bureaus of the USSR are hardly feasible at all, and not within the specified time frame.
    Well, they raised the percentage of winning in a tank duel in favor of Ukrainian equipment. Comparing T-64B and T-72B, not T-72B3. Well, the comparison of the T-84 with its own T-80UD, which is not in service with the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (there is quite a bit of storage left), is generally not at all.
  7. RBLip
    RBLip 14 December 2020 10: 52
    0
    OWN? where did it come from?
  8. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 14 December 2020 11: 39
    0
    Quote: Victor_B
    And this was in conditions when the military had its own excellent school of tank building ...
    About ... well, about "polymers" in general!
    As my grandmother used to say: "The priest grabbed the eggs when Easter was over!"

    Ukraine was not going to fight with anyone. Its thousands of tanks unnecessarily. She refused from Yao under the security guarantees of the Russian Federation and the United States.
  • svp67
    svp67 13 December 2020 08: 11
    +13
    Dreams, dreams ... and as a result, judging by the nature of actions with other weapons, I expect that soon there will be talks about the purchase of these weapons abroad.
    1. figwam
      figwam 13 December 2020 08: 28
      +17
      written by the laureates of the country's state prize

      Instead of looking for ways of peaceful coexistence, the ukropitheks are worried about the endless military lag behind Russia.
      1. svp67
        svp67 13 December 2020 08: 32
        +15
        Quote: figvam
        Instead of looking for ways of peaceful coexistence, the ukropitheks are worried about the endless military lag behind Russia.

        Well, you need to see in something the SENSE of your existence.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 17
          +3
          Quote: svp67
          Well, you need to see in something the SENSE of your existence.

          As Poles, they simply won't survive without hatred for Russia.
      2. Simargl
        Simargl 13 December 2020 08: 33
        +6
        Quote: figvam
        Instead of looking for ways of peaceful coexistence, the ukropitheks are worried about the endless military lag behind Russia.
        When, during the collapse, they took the "oath" to Ukraine, there was one question. Which one?
        He is the answer to many questions ...
        1. svp67
          svp67 13 December 2020 08: 49
          +9
          Quote: Simargl
          He is the answer to many questions ...

          The same is my secret.
          Everyone who wanted to take the oath was asked: "Are you ready to fight with Russia?"
          So, that the still "Soviet spill" officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine agreed with this even then ... I wonder who among them remembered this when they moved to the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, in the same Crimea?
          Yes, everyone who was in reserve was forced to take the oath ...
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 13 December 2020 08: 53
            +6
            Quote: svp67
            Everyone who wanted to take the oath was asked: "Are you ready to fight with Russia?"
            Isn't this the answer to oh-oh-oh - a lot of questions? Especially about the original policy and tasks of the "state"?
            1. svp67
              svp67 13 December 2020 09: 01
              +16
              Quote: Simargl
              Especially about the original policy and tasks of the "state"?

              And no one hid them. Now how many shouts and groans are heard from the Ukrainian side about the "aggressiveness" of Russia, about its "ichtam", etc., etc. But when you start to wonder, but what to do with these questions, what they asked during the oath, what to do with that that Ukraine OPENLY supported and participated with the help of its "ichtamnet" in the war in the Caucasus, against our troops, in the war of 08.08.08, who walked in droves on the Maidan and chanted: "M ....... at gilyak, m. ...... at the knives !!! " , and all this even before "polite people" appeared in the same Crimea, why did the seizure of military units in Lvov remain without any consequences, in the form of a beginning, albeit small, but ATO? There are no answers ... they simply DO NOT REMEMBER these moments
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 19
                +3
                Quote: svp67
                they simply DO NOT REMEMBER these moments

                And there is nothing to say
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              3. Sergey74
                Sergey74 15 December 2020 10: 58
                0
                Why did the seizure of military units in Lviv remain without any consequences, in the form of a beginning, albeit small, but ATO? There are no answers ... these moments they simply DO NOT REMEMBER

                And what to remember them then. What is not interesting to them is forgotten. For this you will not get cookies, only luli.
          2. tatarin1972
            tatarin1972 13 December 2020 09: 30
            +2
            There were also more outspoken questions - "Are you ready to kill the Russians?" - the words of the Hero of the Soviet Union Yaroslav Goroshko, he then commanded a separate detachment in the 8th Specialized Brigade.
            1. Roman_LKW
              Roman_LKW 13 December 2020 11: 04
              -5
              Why did all these Akhvitseri suddenly forget about the oath in Crimea?
            2. Niel-le-Calais
              Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 11: 25
              -12%
              Quote: tatarin1972
              "Are you ready to kill Russians?" - words of the Hero of the Soviet Union Yaroslav Goroshko

              dead heroes are always fun to kick (words about a dead lion in the ancient world)
              and ascribe tales.
              1. Yok Migarek
                Yok Migarek 13 December 2020 13: 01
                +5
                Quote: Niel-le-Calais
                Quote: tatarin1972
                "Are you ready to kill Russians?" - words of the Hero of the Soviet Union Yaroslav Goroshko

                dead heroes are always fun to kick (words about a dead lion in the ancient world)
                and ascribe tales.

                But what if it turns out that the hero is not a hero at all? That the hero betrayed his oath, betrayed his ideals? Can't you kick him too?
          3. Terenin
            Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 03
            +8
            Quote: svp67
            Those wishing to take the oath were asked: "Are you ready to fight with Russia?"
            So that the still "Soviet spill" officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine already agreed with this ...

            Yes. This confirms that even then Russia trustingly rendered economic preferences to already finished enemies.
            1. major147
              major147 13 December 2020 13: 25
              +2
              Quote: Terenin
              Russia trustingly gave economic preferences to already finished enemies.

              According to estimates, about 200 billion dollars ..... over the years of "independence".
              1. Terenin
                Terenin 13 December 2020 14: 38
                +4
                Quote: major147
                Quote: Terenin
                Russia trustingly gave economic preferences to already finished enemies.

                According to estimates, about 200 billion dollars ..... over the years of "independence".

                Subtract this amount from the decision makers ...
                1. major147
                  major147 13 December 2020 16: 15
                  +2
                  Quote: Terenin
                  Subtract this amount from the decision makers ...

                  With them "bribes are smooth." "There are no others, but those are far away" (c)
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 16
        +2
        Quote: figvam
        endless military lag behind Russia.

        This lag they themselves arranged
      4. venik
        venik 13 December 2020 10: 20
        +5
        Quote: figvam
        Instead of looking for ways of peaceful coexistence, the ukropitheks are worried about the endless military lag behind Russia.

        ========
        The beaten is not there ..... We got "lyuley" from the Donbass militia - now wounded, self-esteem does not give sleep ..... What kind of "peaceful coexistence" is there if the whole "national idea" is built on hypertrophied conceit, megalomania, and national superiority? So they puff up, "puff out their cheeks" ......
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        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 13 December 2020 11: 46
          +10
          Remind me who captured Crimea? ... let me ask you ... and who captured Crimea ....... this is very interesting
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 12: 17
          +7
          Quote: Roman_LKW
          Remind me who captured the Crimea ?????????

          What year? Not 1954?
          1. silverura
            silverura 13 December 2020 15: 59
            -3
            What year? Not 1954?
            In Alaska, it will also be possible to hold a referendum, the pinds will answer for everything. Give me a medal for Alaska ?! Hehe
    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 December 2020 08: 46
      +5
      Duc, already Czech DANA are buying hi
    3. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 13 December 2020 09: 46
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      there will soon be talk of purchasing these weapons from abroad.

      If you don't want to feed your industry, you will feed someone else's ...
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 20
        +2
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        you will feed someone else's ...

        If you can't steal lol
    4. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 13 December 2020 10: 25
      -1
      Quote: svp67
      Dreams, dreams ... and as a result, judging by the nature of actions with other weapons, I expect that soon there will be talks about the purchase of these weapons abroad.

      First of all, the Ukrainians need to strengthen their anti-tank units. Azerbaijan has escaped massive tank battles.
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 11
        +7
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        First of all, the Ukrainians need to strengthen their anti-tank units.

        Indeed, the winked well, who would have thought, in order to get a stuck car out of the swamp, you need ... a tractor what
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 December 2020 11: 27
        +5
        Ukraine, as naked in the cold, is there first of all necessary - Everything! For she is naked from all sides, somewhere I saw calculations that they need $ 500 billion to bring the economy and the defense industry to a normal state!
        1. cat Rusich
          cat Rusich 13 December 2020 15: 18
          +4
          Quote: Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Ukraine, somewhere saw calculations that they need $ 500 billion to bring the economy and the defense industry back to normal!
          A bottomless barrel - do not fill ...
          ukraine = barrel without bottom and walls, only hoops - borders on the map... yes
      3. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 11: 29
        -3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        First of all, the Ukrainians need to strengthen their anti-tank units. Azerbaijan has escaped massive tank battles

        military actions in the NKR are quite specific relief. Definitely not Donetsk.
        As for the anti-tank, they certainly stock up. Learn and gain experience.
        Openly tanks will not go there from either side.
        Everyone there has accumulated so many anti-tank systems and minefields.
      4. Yok Migarek
        Yok Migarek 13 December 2020 13: 04
        +5
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: svp67
        Dreams, dreams ... and as a result, judging by the nature of actions with other weapons, I expect that soon there will be talks about the purchase of these weapons abroad.

        First of all, the Ukrainians need to strengthen their anti-tank units. Azerbaijan has escaped massive tank battles.

        Ukrainians need to resolve the Minsk agreements and start making friends with Russia.
  • Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 13 December 2020 08: 20
    +12
    12,5 thousand modern and modernized tanks in the RF Armed Forces ... It would be nice laughing
    But the "probabilities of victory" of the ancient T-64 and the "well non-working" T-84 were amused. Skakuas again forget that the tank is a piece of iron. It all depends on the crew.
    1. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 13 December 2020 18: 22
      +1
      Skakuas again forget that the tank is a piece of iron. It all depends on the crew ....... not quite so ... the most important thing in the tank is fiery that !!!!! --- engine .... and yona in the T-64 only 400 hours of "flying" after which either to scrap or to change the engine along with the transmission --- it is sooooo expensive, but so this is a breakthrough tank, because the forehead is protected and naked in the rest of the projections ... so that at least seven inches in the forehead of a T-64 tanker will be tactics is not a fighter
  • Mouse
    Mouse 13 December 2020 08: 21
    +9
    The letter describes what Ukraine needs to do ... not just how?
    1. Terenin
      Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 13
      +7
      Quote: Mouse
      The letter describes what Ukraine needs to do ... not just how?

      As much as they paid, they wrote so much.

      Welcome hi
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 13 December 2020 11: 32
        +6
        Great! hi
        But it seems to me ... that the indescribable cannot be described ... laughing
        Put the stress yourself ... repeat
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 13 December 2020 12: 06
          +6
          Quote: Mouse
          Great! hi
          But it seems to me ... that the indescribable cannot be described ... laughing
          Put the stress yourself ... repeat

          Agree yes , they have the same result when the wind blows from Russia.
          (Vasily, not Russians and women will not understand wink )
          1. Mouse
            Mouse 13 December 2020 12: 19
            +5
            women won't understand

            You don't believe in our women! crying
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 13 December 2020 12: 25
              +7
              Quote: Mouse
              women won't understand

              You don't believe in our women! crying

              Hush, Vasily, stop but as in that joke:
              "- Kolya, have a drink with us!
              - Thank you guys, I can't,
              Faith does not allow ...
              - And what is your faith?
              - Vasilevna..."
            2. Russ
              Russ 13 December 2020 12: 27
              +7
              And they gallop a horse, and into a burning hut ... greetings, everyone! love
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 13 December 2020 13: 49
                +3
                Quote: Russia
                And they gallop a horse, and into a burning hut ...

                And the horses are still galloping and galloping, and the huts are burning and burning ... recourse
                1. Russ
                  Russ 13 December 2020 14: 00
                  +5
                  What is this talking about? Well, we do not have enough women ... and again a question for us ... we need to give birth more ... love
                  Beauty will save the world! wink
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 13 December 2020 14: 17
                    +4
                    Quote: Russia
                    Beauty will save the world!

                    love
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                    2. Russ
                      Russ 13 December 2020 19: 18
                      +4
                      Spasibki! love ......
                      1. Lipchanin
                        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 19: 25
                        +3
                        Yes pagalsta wink smile
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 13 December 2020 08: 21
    +1
    "... Ukraine must do by 2023 ..."- and they will be happy; but the main condition is that all new developments of Russian tank building be frozen ...
  • Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 13 December 2020 08: 26
    +11
    They can put all these letters in bottles and throw them into the sea. The efficiency will probably be even greater.
  • Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 December 2020 08: 30
    +10
    50 units of armored vehicles (of all types and types) per year and then we will manage))))))))) Yes, you are optimists, however
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 23
      +4
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      50 units of armored vehicles (of all types and types) per year and then we will manage it)))))))))

      And it will take exactly 12 years to build 5, 250 thousand, to compare with us laughing
      Forward and with the song
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 21
        +5
        Quote: Lipchanin
        Quote: Ovsigovets
        50 units of armored vehicles (of all types and types) per year and then we will manage it)))))))))

        And to build 12, 5 thousand to compare with us laughing
        Forward and with the song

        And if you multiply by the number of trained personnel winked
        Even NATya did not dream of this after a hearty dinner.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 12: 19
          +4
          Quote: Terenin
          Even NATya did not dream of this after a hearty dinner.

          Sitting on the toilet laughing
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 11: 32
        -8
        Quote: Lipchanin
        And it will take exactly 12 years to build 5, 250 thousand, to compare with us
        Forward and with the song

        data is taken from open sources where ALL tanks are indicated (including in storage and in the list)
        Or does the Russian Federation always remove all 12 thousand tanks from all borders and districts only for the Ukrainian front? laughing
        take into account those that are in the ranks. They are also smeared over the districts. Then you need to take the nearest ones.
        1. major147
          major147 13 December 2020 13: 32
          +1
          Quote: Niel-le-Calais
          for the Ukrainian front

          Ukraine has grown very big self-esteem. Destroy yourself ...
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 14: 20
          +2
          Quote: Niel-le-Calais
          data is taken from open sources where ALL tanks are indicated

          Will have to repeat
          And to build 12 thousand,

          BUILD, that is, make, not collect by districts
      3. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 13 December 2020 11: 54
        +1
        I would like to see the number of ATGMs produced in the Russian Federation per year))))) I do not call for anything, BUT damn it, it's interesting))))
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 18
      +5
      Quote: Ovsigovets
      50 units of armored vehicles (of all types and types) per year and then we will manage))))))))) Yes, you are optimists, however

      It's all there ... in the military toy market
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 13 December 2020 08: 32
    +13
    All spheres of the Outskirts are permeated with the militaristic spirit - power, administration, judicial system, economy, industry, media and everything that goes with it. This machine, drugged by nationalism, has no other worries. But this is all caused only by the confrontation with two rebellious regions. The Reptilians understand what awaits them in a real confrontation with Russia, but this is their only opportunity to endlessly ask for money in the West and write off all internal problems for the war in Donbass. Glory to Outskirts, which managed to take the place of the "fifth point" in Europe. And this despite the fact that in Soviet times, it had the second economy after Russia!
    1. Roman_LKW
      Roman_LKW 13 December 2020 11: 11
      -7
      And tied to Russia ... Independence is expensive and it's time for us to pay for it in blood.
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      1. Ovsigovets
        Ovsigovets 13 December 2020 11: 58
        +2
        miles sorry ... here they rather bite off, what you need to bite off and so that you don't hang around your neck again ... no more, you need better))))
      2. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 14: 37
        +4
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        Crimea.

        Through the mouth of a baby speaks the truth
      3. cat Rusich
        cat Rusich 13 December 2020 15: 37
        +2
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais

        Quote: Vladimir61
        This machine, drugged by nationalism, has no other worries

        full and they are priority.
        War is the case 10. Important but not primary.
        In Ukraine military fee - 1,5% of income bully ... The "military training" has been carried out since 2014 ...
    3. Yok Migarek
      Yok Migarek 13 December 2020 13: 06
      +1
      Quote: Vladimir61
      All spheres of the Outskirts are permeated with the militaristic spirit - power, administration, judicial system, economy, industry, media and everything that goes with it. This machine, drugged by nationalism, has no other worries. But this is all caused only by the confrontation with two rebellious regions. The Reptilians understand what awaits them in a real confrontation with Russia, but this is their only opportunity to endlessly ask for money in the West and write off all internal problems for the war in Donbass. Glory to Outskirts, which managed to take the place of the "fifth point" in Europe. And this despite the fact that in Soviet times, it had the second economy after Russia!

      There is just a lot of uncontrolled money. Lots of.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2020 08: 34
    +7
    the intended use by the Russian Federation of up to 950 tanks will have disastrous consequences for the tank units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine
    Note this is said by Ukrainian laureates who were involved in the creation of armored vehicles. And at the same time, Ukrainian politicians and others who are actively going crazy beat themselves in the chest every day and threaten, threaten, threaten. The chest was broken long ago, but the hope that "abroad will help us" continues to excite unhealthy heads.
  • Paul Siebert
    Paul Siebert 13 December 2020 08: 42
    +6
    Something seems to me to be a tank duel, in the event of our conflict, the matter may simply not reach.
    Svidomo boxes are flipped from the air.
    Still on the march.
    And those that reach the front line will quickly raise Russian tricolors over the towers.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 13 December 2020 09: 26
      +4
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      And those that reach the front line will quickly raise Russian tricolors over the towers.

      No, they won't.
      Remember the year 2014.
      All in one impulse with the cry "America is with us" boldly went into battle. And they fought hard.
      Since Soviet times, a bestial hatred of non-brothers has been driven into their brains. Even to their blood relatives living on the other side of the border.
      And by the way, many who live here also have it, even if they were born and have lived all their lives in Russia.
      And even for those Russians who moved there when they were already quite adults, this infection gnaws at their brains.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 29
        +7
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And even for those Russians who moved there when they were already quite adults, this infection gnaws at their brains.

        A married couple worked with my wife. She is Russian, he is Ukrainian. All that concerned Russia, he spoke through his lip. As for Ukraine, delight. We went there. They returned six months later. The wife said that there they instantly became fancy. They looked at my husband from top to bottom and he was nobody there. After returning, the husband became quiet, became lower than the grass, quieter than water
      2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
        Uncle Vanya Susanin 13 December 2020 11: 30
        0
        Fought hard? Units! The rest skidded, both in the Crimea and the Donbass!
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    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 28
      +6
      Quote: Paul Siebert
      Svidomo boxes are flipped from the air.
      Still on the march.

      Why such expenses?
      Nobody canceled the "recommendation" of the Supreme winked
      Putin: "Let's strike at the decision-making centers ... wherever they are ..."
  • Graz
    Graz 13 December 2020 08: 49
    +1
    where is the zing money?
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 30
      +2
      Quote: Graz
      where is the zing money?

      As where. Abroad will help them laughing
  • rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2020 08: 50
    +7
    He simply states what is not and will not be there, already, never ... under the current government.
    That's all.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 December 2020 09: 05
      +8
      Well, yes, and there is no state either ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 December 2020 09: 26
        +3
        Quote: cniza
        Well, yes, and there is no state either ...

        All businesses will be taken away on the patrimony of the territory ...
        there will be different pans / bar and their little people.
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 December 2020 12: 05
          +13
          I suspect that everything will be the same:

          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 December 2020 12: 28
            +5
            We decided on our own.
            When they were / are part of Russia, they were / are part of the GREAT!
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 December 2020 12: 32
              +8
              They don't understand this in any way, that without Russia they will be quickly disposed of ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 December 2020 12: 36
                +5
                They will be quickly torn apart.
                This process is already on the way.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 December 2020 12: 45
                  +7
                  And it seems to me that he is already walking, while passports are being issued, and then ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 13 December 2020 12: 55
                    +4
                    So yes, this is, for now, extreme cases.
                    When they get to the centers, it will be "fun".
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 13 December 2020 12: 59
                      +6
                      If only there was no blood, and the process is already difficult to stop ...
                      1. rocket757
                        rocket757 13 December 2020 13: 44
                        +1
                        Yes, we won't wish it on anyone.
                      2. cniza
                        cniza 13 December 2020 17: 40
                        +1
                        During our history, we have greatly reduced ourselves, so that's enough ...
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 13 December 2020 13: 19
          +2
          But in the Russian Empire they were not slaves.
          Serfdom was not everywhere in the territory of modern Ukraine.
          And in the USSR, servility is not at all funny.
          They were ministers and secretaries general. Rather, the rest of the Russians were slaves compared to them.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 December 2020 13: 49
            +2
            Quote: Jacket in stock
            Rather, the rest of the Russians were slaves compared to them.

            There were also difficult periods in the USSR that you don't want to remember, but you can't forget ... but, by the very "velvet" period of the existence of the Country of Soviets, there were not many imbalances left and they were not so critical.
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 December 2020 17: 37
              +3
              In 1961, our collective farmers began to receive passports, and before that they could not go anywhere ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 December 2020 17: 43
                +3
                It was different ... but they still left the villages, according to org sets, all sorts of different "tickets to life", etc.
                In cities, in factories, there were not enough workers ... although they were not enough everywhere.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 December 2020 17: 49
                  +2
                  Yes, the men went to the army and tried to catch somewhere, but it was very difficult ...
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 13 December 2020 17: 52
                    +1
                    As always, through the service entrance, no matter what kind of recruitment agent for shock construction projects of the five-year plan ...
                    Young people, as always, were the most mobile of all.
                    1. cniza
                      cniza 13 December 2020 17: 56
                      +3
                      Yes, it was hard, but they lived and the population grew ...
                    2. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 December 2020 18: 18
                      +2
                      We lived, basically, as the situation with the country and at the borders was !!! Objective realities cannot be discounted.
                      But, in general terms, the state did everything it could to raise the standard of living of the people.
                      After all, by the early 70s, when the situation stabilized, people's lives began to improve ...
                    3. cniza
                      cniza 13 December 2020 18: 19
                      +3
                      Yes, and noticeably, they switched to a five-day working day ...
                    4. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 December 2020 18: 37
                      +2
                      By the way, why is the working class over the hill in that period. scratched out a maximum of indulgences and benefits from their fat bellys ??? Is it because they HAD to respond to those social challenges that THEIR hard workers saw in the land of the Soviets ???
                    5. cniza
                      cniza 13 December 2020 18: 51
                      +2
                      And the Western countries really did not want revolutions in their countries ...
                    6. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 December 2020 19: 21
                      +1
                      This is the very thing ... because their fat pussies hated the Power of the Soviets and did not spare their efforts and resources to destroy their most powerful enemy ...
                    7. cniza
                      cniza 13 December 2020 21: 03
                      +2
                      So today nothing has changed ...
                    8. rocket757
                      rocket757 13 December 2020 21: 31
                      +1
                      Oh no! They now have a usual get-together, because on both sides of the conflict / division there are FATS and their proteges. Ordinary capitalist competition ... NO more fundamental differences!
                      The only thing that makes us, the people, take the "right" side is ...... but here it is just the options that are similar, but different!
  • cniza
    cniza 13 December 2020 17: 36
    +3
    Don't take everything literally ...
  • Terenin
    Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 34
    +4
    Quote: cniza
    Well, yes, and there is no state either ...

    And, here, by analogy with money, they say, "as they came (to cut down an easy one), they left," so the "state" of Ukraine was artificially created and an administrative resource, at the expense of others.

    Welcome hi
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 December 2020 12: 16
      +7
      Good time ! hi

      Yes, artificial cannot exist for long ...
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 13 December 2020 09: 34
    +5
    Quote: rocket757
    it will never be, already, never

    But I really want to. Red Square beckons, but the Abrams were never given.
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 December 2020 10: 00
      +2
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      But I really want to. Red Square beckons, but the Abrams were never given.

      For everyone who has got accustomed to an obsessive idea, one should remember that they say about Paris, "come, look and die", this is conditional, but about Moscow the same can be said and this is a literal circumstance.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 32
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        "come, see and die"

        I would rephrase a little.
        "Be able to reach", further in the text
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 13 December 2020 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          "Be able to get there"

          So there were serious guys in the past who did it !!!
          Now it's not very much to imagine such a thing, if you look closely, who is hovering there in dreams ... dummies, about nothing ...
          Although, if you plunge into history, those serious guys also had to DRAP, Schaub kept their skin intact and NOT EVERYONE managed to do it!
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 13 December 2020 14: 39
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            and NOT ALL succeeded!

            And it fills the heart with pride for our ancestors
  • cniza
    cniza 13 December 2020 09: 04
    +7
    Further, the ratio of the effectiveness of certain tanks is indicated. In particular, the probability of winning in a T-64B tank duel against a T-72B tank is 61%, a "Ukrainian" tank for a Russian T-90 - no more than 42%.


    Just like English scientists ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 13 December 2020 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Just like English scientists ...

      And what else can they hang on the ears of the average person ???
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 December 2020 12: 19
        +6
        So it's time to conquer the whole world ... lol
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 54
      +3
      Quote: cniza
      Further, the ratio of the effectiveness of certain tanks is indicated. In particular, the probability of winning in a T-64B tank duel against a T-72B tank is 61%, a "Ukrainian" tank for a Russian T-90 - no more than 42%.


      Just like English scientists ...

      It is not excluded that the plot was blown away from them.
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 December 2020 12: 20
        +6
        Their brains were blown away, although, how can you blow away that which was not ...
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 13 December 2020 12: 29
          +7
          Quote: cniza
          Their brains were blown away, although, how can you blow away that which was not ...

          Yes, he's so ... maidanosis brain.
          1. cniza
            cniza 13 December 2020 12: 35
            +6
            Yeah, even the pots didn't help. lol Let them dream further.
            1. Terenin
              Terenin 13 December 2020 14: 36
              +3
              Quote: cniza
              Yeah, even the pots didn't help. lol .

              Probably the enamel is of the wrong quality winked
              1. cniza
                cniza 13 December 2020 17: 41
                +3
                Or the ears were on the wrong side ... lol
  • Guards turn
    Guards turn 13 December 2020 09: 08
    +7
    In Kiev, a hat instead of a star was put on the main Christmas tree of the country. According to the organizer of the New Year's holiday, the tree is part of a thematic fairy forest, which will be arranged on Sofiyskaya. "Fairy forest", because everything that lives and grows in the forest is on the tree. And below there is a fabulous stump, in which animals also live in hollows ... The magic hat just warms these forest heroes. She covers them because she is magical. She keeps them warm. This is in order to understand - you have to come and see ", - quoted by Igor Dobrutskiy UNN.
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 13 December 2020 10: 34
      +2
      And where the prezikloun was placed interesting
    2. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 10
      -4
      Quote: Guards turn
      In Kiev, a hat instead of a star was put on the main Christmas tree of the country.

      This year the Christmas tree is artificial, and it was decorated in accordance with the theme of the "Fairy Forest". In Kiev, not so long ago, a tradition was introduced to dress up the main city locations in the same style every year. Last year, for example, the theme of New Year's holidays was "The Nutcracker".
      With a hat, the idea is interesting - it's in the style of magic for modern children (Harry Potter generation). It's beautiful, it's not like we always have the same thing.
      Was there a star there?
      There was always a snowflake
      1. Terenin
        Terenin 13 December 2020 23: 17
        +6
        Quote: Niel-le-Calais
        Was there a star there?
        There was always a snowflake

        What snowflake? fool What nonsense. There has always been Bethlehem star (Gospel of Matthew).
    3. Terenin
      Terenin 13 December 2020 23: 22
      +6
      Quote: Guards turn
      In Kiev, a hat instead of a star was put on the main Christmas tree of the country.

      It was difficult to come up with more stupidity and go.yotism. They think that with a hat on the New Year's tree they de-Sovietize the holiday ... fool
      Better put there a stuffed animal of the ancient ukra.
  • maxim k.
    maxim k. 13 December 2020 09: 21
    0
    Can't laughing be
  • boris epstein
    boris epstein 13 December 2020 09: 24
    +7
    How can the T-64 beat the T-90, according to the academicians? The T-64B has a 2A46 cannon-launcher, and the T-90 has a 2A46M cannon-launcher. It is already equipped with a thermally removable thermal insulating casing (which increases the accuracy of shooting), has a high muzzle energy (which increases the penetration and range of the shot), in its ammunition-high-explosive fragmentation shells with remote detonation (even in a duel situation if it explodes over the T-64B, then the defeat of the T-64B is inevitable - the top of the tower and MTO have weaker booking) On the T-90 there are IR searchlights that interfere with the precise guidance of an ATGM or a tank missile with laser guidance. On the T-64, there are no modifications of IR searchlights. Not to mention, the T-90 gas turbine engine can be started at any temperature.
    "... to establish mass production of armored vehicles at the level of 50 units per year ..,"
    Shame. In the USSR, the Malyshev plant could produce 15 tanks a year in wartime!
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 13 December 2020 09: 42
      +6
      Does the T-90 have a gas turbine engine?
    2. Alexander Seklitsky
      Alexander Seklitsky 13 December 2020 09: 47
      +6
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      the T-90 gas turbine engine starts at any temperature.

      I'm afraid you are confusing something. The gas turbine engine is installed on the T 80. The 90th has a conventional diesel
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 13 December 2020 14: 11
        +1
        Yes, your and the previous commentator's disadvantages, I would honestly deserve if you both put it. Confused with the T-80.
    3. Niel-le-Calais
      Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 15
      -2
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      the T-90 gas turbine engine starts at any temperature.

      super.
      Quote: Boris Epstein
      Shame. In the USSR, the Malyshev plant could produce 15 tanks a year in wartime!

      so the USSR was. 1/6 sushi. All tank factories were working in full. Or does the Uralsky also produce tens of thousands? RF is still 1/7 sushi. Ukraine's needs for tanks are small.
      1. boris epstein
        boris epstein 13 December 2020 14: 44
        +4
        "... so it was the USSR. 1/6 of the land. All tank factories worked in full." I wrote COULD produce in WAR TIME .. But did not. In total, more than 6000 T-64s were produced by the Malyshev plant. And for non-production (1991-2020-30 years), a little more than a hundred. Wants of Ukraine are great. They want Kursk, Belgorod regions, Kuban, Stavropol, a parade in Moscow ... But an eye sees, but a tooth doesn’t.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 December 2020 09: 45
    +4
    Phantom pains, they are, there is no physical fact, but itches. As the Russian ambassador to the Square and my fellow countryman Chernomyrdin used to say: let them scratch in another place.
  • CommanderDIVA
    CommanderDIVA 13 December 2020 09: 46
    +11
    The meaning of this letter, written by the laureates of the state prize of Ukraine in knocking out money for the country's military-industrial complex from Zelensky and co, most likely they are lobbying for the interests of the Kharkov Tank Plant and the Bureau of Mechanical Engineering, here the creeps in the letter and they pondered about oncoming tank battles with Russian tank armada, and with the development of new types of armored vehicles and a line of ammunition Ukrainians currently cannot cope, and in the future, too, the West does not need a technologically advanced country, but an agrarian appendage and a supplier of labor
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 December 2020 10: 03
    +3
    The Ukrainian press is discussing a letter that was written by the laureates state award of the country, who were engaged in development at the KMDB
    So if it were not for the "laureates", would you still not know? laughing They ought to get off some parachute for this scribble! bully
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 13 December 2020 10: 06
    +4
    These are the winners of the Shnobel Prize, otherwise their idiocy is difficult to justify .... I can’t even imagine how Russia will bring 2,5 tanks to the border with Ukraine from all over the country and then launch them into an attack on Kiev. Some. Just tanks. And Ukraine will defend itself with its 300 tanks. And nothing else. In general. Degradation of laureates ...
  • iouris
    iouris 13 December 2020 10: 13
    +2
    The source is doubtful, since has no scientific qualifications.
    Probability is not measured as a percentage. If, instead of percentages, we take the probabilities of 0,61 and 0,42, respectively, then it should be concluded that the Russian tanks do not have a significant advantage.
    Meanwhile, the comparison method has not been disclosed, so it can be assumed that the influence of crew qualifications and the organization of hostilities were not considered. And this is incorrect.
    The thesis of multiple superiority was put forward in the hope of keeping the Ukrainian leadership from a military adventure. However, in this case it makes no sense, since decisions are not made in Kiev.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 13 December 2020 11: 05
      +2
      In Kiev, they can report where it should be that everything is bad and they will defeat us, the owners will look and take pity a little. Put the team off for another year or two.
  • Dzungar
    Dzungar 13 December 2020 10: 22
    +5
    By 2027, it is proposed to design a new Ukrainian tank, create a heavy infantry fighting vehicle for conducting battles in urbanized areas.
    their optimism is off scale ...
  • Guru
    Guru 13 December 2020 10: 32
    +1
    The Ukrainian press is discussing a letter written by the laureates of the state prize of the country, who at one time were engaged in developments in the KMDB ("Kharkov Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering").
    Well, not from an empty threshold, they wrote this letter, very often all sorts of messages began to appear, talking about the preparation of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for an armed conflict. Apparently the Karabakh scenario is being prepared.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 13 December 2020 11: 02
      +2
      Bayraktar alone are not enough for this, we still need a good military machine on earth, or even better, a complete drain of the political elite.
  • Alexander K_2
    Alexander K_2 13 December 2020 10: 35
    0
    And who prevents Ukraine from developing a new tank and infantry fighting vehicle with an armored personnel carrier? Exactly like any country! hi
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 13 December 2020 10: 57
      +3
      In North Korea, the population and territory is less than that of Ukraine, so they recently had a completely modern tank at the parade. Nothing bothers them.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 22
        -5
        Quote: Herman 4223
        Nothing bothers them.

        and although in numbers
        GDP of Ukraine -2019
        $ 153 billion
        40th in the world in terms of GDP by PPP
        North Korea
        36 mldr
        The country's GDP is 0,03% of the world economy.

        But you can't put tanks on bread and you can't fill borsch with rockets.
        Therefore, the citizens of Ukraine do not want to live like North Koreans.
        1. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 13 December 2020 16: 08
          +3
          "Therefore, the citizens of Ukraine do not want to live like North Koreans."
          Are they deciding something?
          In Israel, tanks do not interfere with the oil on bread to be smeared.
    2. Terenin
      Terenin 13 December 2020 11: 57
      +7
      Quote: Alexander K_2
      And who is hindering Ukraine

      Ukrainians
      1. Alexander K_2
        Alexander K_2 13 December 2020 13: 40
        +1
        Or maybe Ukraine doesn't need a new tank, they have enough money to spend even without tanks.
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 13 December 2020 14: 42
          +7
          Quote: Alexander K_2
          Maybe Ukraine doesn't need a new tank.

          Yes, Alexander, adequate Ukrainians are well aware that they do not need him, but it so happened that these issues are not being resolved in Ukraine.
  • Herman 4223
    Herman 4223 13 December 2020 10: 48
    +4
    I remember in 2015, one of the Ukrainian politicians boasted that Ukraine would soon establish the production of stronghold tanks. To be honest, at first I thought that the Americans against Russia would help them in this, but it is clear that it is not in their interests at all. So you can forget about dreams about a new tank.
    Or buy the master's before it's too late.
  • Alexander Terentyev
    Alexander Terentyev 13 December 2020 11: 38
    -3
    In the event of a military conflict, Ukrainian tanks will not be destroyed. They will be captured and sent for modernization to the UralVagonzavod.
    1. Guru
      Guru 13 December 2020 12: 06
      0
      In the event of a military conflict, Ukrainian tanks will not be destroyed. They will be captured and sent for modernization to the UralVagonzavod.
      Do you really think that we have little of our scrap metal?
      They will be captured and sent for modernization, but not to UralVagonZavod, but Donetsk or Lugansk.
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  • Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 13 December 2020 12: 44
    +4
    Further, the ratio of the effectiveness of certain tanks is indicated. In particular, the fact that the probability of winning in a T-64B tank duel against a T-72B tank ... bullshit ... to start the T-64, you need to get to the line of contact with your paltry 400 hours of 5TD engines, ... smaller rollers in comparison with the T-72, "bare" the sides that can be flashed even from ancient PTRDs and PTRSs, ... the feed is generally bare and has no armor at all, the auxiliary power plant does not even have armor at all from small arms-- ----- the result is as follows for the T-64, ... the Soviet designers made a magnificent breakthrough tank in a massive tank shaft, - maximum security in the frontal projection. quite reliable loading mechanism, high specific power of the engine during acceleration, excellent soft running gear ........ in local positional gunfights, the T-64 is a target. completely useless
  • Operator
    Operator 13 December 2020 12: 47
    -6
    It is desirable to give the names of these laureates.
  • Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 13 December 2020 12: 54
    0
    The cuckoo praises the rooster, but what that cuckoo praises, the joke and everything in Ukraine is the best, and they saw how the T64 burns, no worse than ours, and even brighter !!!
  • TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 13 December 2020 13: 35
    +2
    In short, the Kharkiv people really want money))) but the fact that there will be no sense anyway, then there are already problems ukroSS)))
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 December 2020 13: 47
    0
    very funny indicators and it is not clear where these ratios came from, because there are no methods ...
  • Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 December 2020 14: 25
    0
    All tanks are compared ... Their aviation will be destroyed by artillery and missile weapons in a few hours.
  • bukhach
    bukhach 13 December 2020 15: 06
    +2
    Quote: Roman_LKW
    Remind me who captured the Crimea ?????????

    Why, our memory has not lost it, Russia took Crimea under Catherine. And, in fact, what's the matter, what's wrong?
  • GRANATE-19
    GRANATE-19 13 December 2020 15: 39
    0
    All their plans, given the current situation in Ukraine, are simply unrealizable. Even in perspective ...
  • akarfoxhound
    akarfoxhound 13 December 2020 15: 52
    +1
    If we hadn’t chewed snot in 2014, now the Banderzians were not asking the Kharkiv residents "about the tanks", but the maximum for machine guns on "Petliura" carts. But, unfortunately, the history of the subjunctive declension does not tolerate
  • Klingon
    Klingon 13 December 2020 16: 17
    +2
    There are many wishes, but there are no possibilities wassat
    "I have a desire to buy a house, but I do not have the opportunity, I have the opportunity to buy a goat, but I have no desire" but we know that goats, well, or ducks (but expensive!) will be put by overseas bosses laughing
  • Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 13 December 2020 17: 31
    0
    Honestly, they are like children, everyone dreams of the Kursk Bulge. Their tanks will not even reach the battlefield and will be destroyed by aircraft, helicopters, and missiles.
  • Sergei
    Sergei 13 December 2020 18: 05
    +1
    If the gas is turned off and the supply of fuel for the nuclear power plant is cut off, it will be possible to build a giant yy.
  • Diverter
    Diverter 13 December 2020 21: 02
    +1
    Did I understand correctly that they even forgot the common truths there? And they say that tanks with tanks do not fight. With tanks fighting ... artillery! Well, ptr complexes.
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 13 December 2020 23: 46
    +1
    The logic is interesting. Such Ukrainian gentlemen sit and think: "
    - Let's attack Russia and defeat it. What about our tanks !?
    - The ratio of 1 to 100 is not in our favor, sir Minister of Defense.
    -Yasnenko, what if our 1 will kill them 100? we have European tanks, and they have ancient Soviet rubbish. Let the engineers from the "Lviv independent great polytechnic" calculate the probability that our 1 will kill 100 Katsp tanks!
    - The probability is approximately + - equal to 0,0 tenths, sir Minister of Defense of an independent European power!
    - I see, well then, well, to the encore. Pane Iwasyku, do not pour any more, otherwise we will use the remnants of pensions for the space program. "
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 13 December 2020 23: 53
    0
    How wonderful it would be to write Wales or Northern Ireland in arms and play off Britain. So that they feel their own "divide and conquer" on their own skin.
  • alexniko77
    alexniko77 14 December 2020 09: 19
    +1
    Damn, don't forget to fly to Mars again, weird stoned ...
  • tolancop
    tolancop 14 December 2020 12: 46
    +3
    Quote: Nikita Vinogradov
    ... Crimea was returned, but it is simply impossible to list how long ago we left the USSR behind ... Although we love and remember. But let's do better ...

    I would like to rejoice with you, but alas, it does not work. No way. Many, if not the overwhelming majority of these achievements of Russia are based on the foundation left by the USSR. Remind me of the situation in education from primary to higher education? Old cadres (scientists, engineers, workers) of the Soviet school are running out, a few more years and that's it. And I think there is no adequate replacement. In any case, in the required amount. And with the departure of the "old guard" they will go away, as it is fashionable now to say "competences" that cannot be conveyed from books. There is a lot of materials on the situation with working conditions and wages at the LEADING enterprises of the same rocket and space complex (the top bursts from fat and greed, the middle and junior staff can hardly make ends meet). Incl. not everything is so rosy ...
  • tolancop
    tolancop 14 December 2020 12: 51
    +2
    Quote: akarfoxhound
    If we hadn’t chewed snot in 2014, now the Banderzians were not asking the Kharkiv residents "about the tanks", but the maximum for machine guns on the "Petliura" carts. ....

    I believe that you are wrong. "Banderzyans" would not be interested in machine guns on carts. They would have to be picked out en masse from all sorts of warm places, where they would quietly harm and spread like cancer metastases throughout the country.
  • Gardener91
    Gardener91 14 December 2020 15: 07
    0
    In vain they boast. Each tank of the Russian Federation 3 "Bayraktar" will be opposed)).
  • nnz226
    nnz226 14 December 2020 20: 12
    0
    Hohlyandiya will not create so many tanks - not a penny!
  • pavlo007
    pavlo007 17 December 2020 21: 58
    0
    In itself, a delusional formulation of the question resembles the tactical coefficients of the ships of the beginning of the century and the theoretical constructions of the students of Marshal Vauban. There are a lot of factors that influence the outcome of the KB, and these factors often play a decisive role. Interaction and a host of other factors are important - modern combined arms combat is called.
  • Andre
    Andre 18 December 2020 06: 06
    0
    Did they count the Terminators?
  • Dzafdet
    Dzafdet 19 December 2020 12: 25
    0
    The T-64 has raw armor. So the Ukrainians at one time drove marriage. So let's see who wins. Weak tracks, motor ... in general, it sucks ...