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Ukraine said that the court in The Hague is "ready to investigate Russia's war crimes"

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Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda



Olga Stefanishina, Deputy Head of the Ukrainian Government for Euro- and Euro-Atlantic Integration, said that the International Criminal Court, located in The Hague, “expressed its readiness to start investigating war crimes in Crimea and Donbass”.

At the same time, according to Ms. Stefanishina, "The Hague Tribunal thus recognizes the role of the Russian Federation in the events on the territory of Ukraine."

For some reason, Ms. Stefanishina is confident that the ICC is going to consider precisely the “role of Russia” ...

Ukrainian Deputy Prime Minister:

The investigation, of course, will not go quickly. It will be carried out in stages, procedurally.

According to Ms. Stefanishina, the very fact of the readiness to start an investigation by the Hague Tribunal "suggests that they recognize the role of the Russian Federation in committing crimes against humanity."

At the same time, Stefanishina for some reason did not note whether Ukraine itself is ready to investigate such war crimes as aviation the bombing of the center of Luhansk, the use of armored vehicles against civilians in the streets of Mariupol, the shelling of Gorlovka and Donetsk.

But Stefanishina said that the ICC process "will be sabotaged by Russia using hybrid instruments and could drag on for several years."

Recall that in 2016 Russia decided to withdraw from the agreement of the International Criminal Court. This happened after the statement of the ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda that “Russia occupied Crimea and Donbass”.
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 December 2020 07: 29
    +20
    Let's start with the fact that today Russia does not care about the decision of this so-called. ICC, since correctly noted the author she (Russia) withdrew from the agreement. Well, and the Ukrainian side is wishful thinking
    "Expressed his readiness to start an investigation of war crimes in Crimea and Donbass."
    And in Donbass, isn't Ukraine at war with the LPNR and military crimes are not committed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions? This cesspool country itself must appear before an international military tribunal for all the acts that it has committed over the past 6 years, the revival of fascism and terrorist activities.
    1. military_cat
      military_cat 13 December 2020 07: 39
      -9
      Never mind, but again the belts will have to be tightened, because new sanctions will be introduced. And I would not expect that instead of Russia they will judge Ukraine for the "revival of fascism", about Boeing, too, some commentators expected that Ukraine would be judged, the calculation was not justified.
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 13 December 2020 07: 52
        +4
        Quote: military_cat
        Never mind, but again the belts will have to be tightened, because new sanctions will be introduced.

        It is even difficult to imagine what other sanctions, in addition to those already introduced, the West can introduce without critical, global damage to itself.

        In fact, only verbal forms remained in their arsenal, and Ultima ratio regum, "the last argument of kings"
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 13 December 2020 07: 54
          -4
          The fact that they are difficult to imagine does not mean that they are not there.
          1. Insurgent
            Insurgent 13 December 2020 07: 58
            +5
            Quote: military_cat
            If they are difficult to imagine, this does not mean that they are not.

            Well, my imagination is not enough to imagine the new sanctions opportunities of the United States and the "collective West" in relation to the Russian Federation, but how do you represent them? Can you name?

            Only those that are not "blah blah", but are really sensitive for the Russian economy, and who will not boomerang back to the sender, perhaps with no less, or even more force of impact?

            Is the West ready to shoot itself in the foot? In both legs, trying to break the stubborn unwilling to break?
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 13 December 2020 08: 08
              -1
              I do not try to guess other people's thoughts. It is impossible to guess the train of thought of another person, because for this you need to know absolutely everything that he knows, and not know what he does not know. It will not be you and I who will come up with new sanctions. Choose which of them to enter and which not to enter, too. Therefore it is a pointless exercise.

              Moreover, I am opposed to the "argument to ignorance", argumentum ad ignorantiam. If I, or anyone else, does not know something, that does not prove that it does not exist.
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 13 December 2020 10: 04
                +4
                Quote: military_cat
                It will not be you and I who will come up with new sanctions. Choose which ones to enter and which not to enter, too. Therefore it is a pointless exercise.

                On what basis are the sanctions?

                There is NO such "court" for Russia: From the conditions of ships:
                The International Court of Justice has the right to consider a case only if if the states concerned have agreed to become a party to the proceedings in a court


                Sent by Russia. Everything.

                Such issues are NOT in its jurisdiction at all.
                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 10: 41
                  +3
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  There is NO such "court" for Russia ..

                  It’s just that the 404th realized that “they are going into circulation” and are less interesting to someone, so they are trying to fill the media space with themselves.
                  As has been said many times: the fighting is being conducted in the info environment ... you have to work
                2. military_cat
                  military_cat 13 December 2020 12: 37
                  0
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  There is NO such "court" for Russia

                  It's strange that you still haven't figured out how the sanctions work. Sanctions are the law for своих companies that they do not have the right to cooperate with someone, as well as with those who cooperate with that someone ("secondary sanctions"). Otherwise, to their companies will be subject to administrative measures (in the states that joined the sanctions). In this case, there are no questions of jurisdiction.
                  1. Vladimir Mashkov
                    Vladimir Mashkov 13 December 2020 20: 22
                    0
                    The Hague Tribunal is well known for its "honesty" and "fairness". This is not a judgment, but courtsimilar to the same "fair", "fair" and "objective" Boeing trial. And the head of this court - Fatou Bensouda - has already spoken out about the undoubted guilt of Russia. Until the trial! So, Ms. Stefanishina is right: the ICC recognizes both Russia's participation and guilt. And sanctions based on his decision will be imposed necessarily! The interest is simply that as they will bypass the killings in Odessa, Mariupol, Lugansk and many other places.
            2. New Year day
              New Year day 13 December 2020 08: 26
              +1
              Quote: Insurgent
              Can you name?

              General Ivashov once answered this question: sanctions can be political and economic. From political - the recognition of Russia as a terrorist country with the withdrawal, by the decision of the UN General Assembly, from the UN Security Council. From economic, oil embargo. More details in his YouTube interview.
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 13 December 2020 08: 50
                +5
                The embargo is just laughter))) will the pipelines come to be cut off?))) Such a move is possible only in one case - the complete blocking of the country. Which, in principle, is impossible, since this is the first step towards war. The blockade cannot be perceived otherwise.
                1. New Year day
                  New Year day 13 December 2020 09: 03
                  -4
                  Quote: carstorm 11
                  The embargo is just laughter)))

                  Laugh further.
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 13 December 2020 09: 48
                    +12
                    I laugh) could have done it a long time ago. It's just that it was physically impossible to do even in the Cold War. Now it is generally from the category of fantasy. How can an embargo be imposed on a country that is armed to the teeth in both Europe and Asia?))) To heat our transports? Shoot down planes?) Do you really think there are all sick in the head?)
                    1. Magnat231
                      Magnat231 13 December 2020 10: 23
                      +6
                      He does not think, the main thing is to blurt out
                      1. New Year day
                        New Year day 13 December 2020 10: 51
                        -4
                        Quote: Magnat231
                        He does not think, the main thing is to blurt out

                        I believe that this is you addressed to Colonel-General L. Ivashov, President of the Academy of Geopolitical Problems, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor of the Department of International Journalism at MGIMO, the former head of the Main Directorate of International Military Cooperation of the Ministry of Defense of Russia?
                        Your potential is incomparably richer than his laughing
                    2. New Year day
                      New Year day 13 December 2020 10: 45
                      -4
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      It's just that it was physically impossible to do even in the Cold War.

                      want to compare the potential of SSR and RF? It's not even worth discussing, everything is obvious.
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      How can an embargo be imposed on a country that is armed to the teeth in both Europe and Asia?))

                      so, what is next? Will you transport smuggled oil with dryers and submarines? laughing
                      Did the spring demarche with OPEC show you anything?
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      To drown our transports? Shoot down planes?)

                      do you have a vavka? Youthful maximalism is dangerous for your health! In addition to the above, nothing goes to the head? Think primitively.
                      Quote: carstorm 11
                      Do you really think there are all sick in the head?)

                      just there are smart, unlike some
                      1. carstorm 11
                        carstorm 11 13 December 2020 11: 56
                        0
                        How hard it is with you civilians ... to start making medical predictions and blaming everyone around for maximalism ... the embargo is impossible without total control of the object's transport routes. The embargo is the final step. Casus belli is the next point of this action. The introduction of the embmrgo against Japan ended with the start of a major war. I repeat, there are no idiots. Every action always has a reaction.
            3. Hto tama
              Hto tama 13 December 2020 08: 30
              +3
              Quote: Insurgent
              Quote: military_cat
              If they are difficult to imagine, this does not mean that they are not.

              Well, my imagination is not enough to imagine the new sanctions opportunities of the United States and the "collective West" in relation to the Russian Federation, but how do you represent them? Can you name?

              Only those that are not "blah blah", but are really sensitive for the Russian economy, and who will not boomerang back to the sender, perhaps with no less, or even more force of impact?

              Is the West ready to shoot itself in the foot? In both legs, trying to break the stubborn unwilling to break?

              You are not entirely right, they can hurt our economy and not only they can hurt them, and it’s not a fact that it will hit them, and if it does, it will hit the population, and not the elites. hostages of Russian citizens. Yes, in fact, the states are already doing this, and what are they doing to themselves harm by these actions? what And we actually have nothing to answer sad In general, you can shit in different ways yes
              1. Insurgent
                Insurgent 13 December 2020 08: 33
                +3
                Quote: Hto tama
                In general, you can shit in different ways

                It is possible, in different ways, but in small ways, without significant damage to the economy, in comparison with what has already been caused by the sanctions.
                And the caravan, in spite of everything, still goes, a little slower, but it goes.
                But the "sanctioners" hoped that Russia would collapse, moreover, immediately. But no ...
                1. military_cat
                  military_cat 13 December 2020 08: 42
                  -5
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  without significant damage to the economy, in comparison with what has already been caused by the sanctions.

                  Let me remind you that from the very beginning no one expected (except for the fifth column, of course) that the sanctions would cause significant damage to the economy. Then it was "yes, let them introduce it, we will only win" and that's all.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 13 December 2020 08: 47
                    0
                    Quote: military_cat
                    Let me remind you that from the very beginning no one expected

                    And the United States itself? belay If so, let’s drop the topic of sanctions altogether, or we will simply treat the actions of the West in a philosophical manner, as if toddlers are playing in a sandbox.
                    Let them pour sand in their ass, for Russia, what does it matter?
                2. Hto tama
                  Hto tama 13 December 2020 08: 47
                  +3
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  Quote: Hto tama
                  In general, you can shit in different ways

                  It is possible, in different ways, but in small ways, without significant damage to the economy, in comparison with what has already been caused by the sanctions.
                  And the caravan, in spite of everything, still goes, a little slower, but it goes.
                  But the "sanctioners" hoped that Russia would collapse, moreover, immediately. But no ...

                  Do you consider the instigation of conflicts along our borders as small things? I don't think so, it also damages our economy. Our life is built from little things, sometimes insignificant, what at first seems like a trifle and a trifle grows into problems and tragedies.
                  1. Insurgent
                    Insurgent 13 December 2020 08: 49
                    +2
                    Quote: Hto tama
                    Do you consider the instigation of conflicts along our borders as small things?

                    It's about sanctions, measures of political and economic pressure, and what are you writing about? This is from another opera ...
                    1. Hto tama
                      Hto tama 13 December 2020 09: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: Insurgent
                      Quote: Hto tama
                      Do you consider the instigation of conflicts along our borders as small things?

                      It's about sanctions, measures of political and economic pressure, and what are you writing about? This is from another opera ...

                      I'm talking about the root cause, economic sanctions or other pressures are only a tool. They have declared war on us, and in war all means are good.
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                      1. d4rkmesa
                        d4rkmesa 13 December 2020 15: 39
                        +1
                        You forgot to remove the pot from your head.
                  2. kin
                    kin 14 December 2020 21: 12
                    0
                    Look what is happening on Facebook after the statement of the deputy of the Duma Vyacheslav Nikonov about Kazakhstan, in the group Interesting life in Astana. Chauvinism in all its glory, some individuals offer to go to war against Russia ...
                3. New Year day
                  New Year day 13 December 2020 10: 47
                  -3
                  Quote: Insurgent
                  without significant damage to the economy

                  I have no words request the authorities have already assessed the damage from the sanctions, Putin has been fighting for a year to lift them, but you have "no damage"
                  1. Niel-le-Calais
                    Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 29
                    -3
                    Quote: Silvestr
                    the authorities have already assessed the damage from the sanctions, Putin has been fighting for a year to lift them, but you have "no damage"

                    well, officially, TV inside the country is "benefit from sanctions"
                    Officially outside the country, looking for ways to lift some of the sanctions, looking for workarounds for sanctions.
                    For 7 years of sanctions, the version that sanctions are useful has already noticeably sagged inside the country. Moreover, counter-sanctions.
        2. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 09: 13
          -1
          Quote: Insurgent
          It is even difficult to imagine what other sanctions, in addition to those already introduced, the West can introduce without critical, global damage to itself.

          Well, they're no stranger to shooting themselves in the leg
      2. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 13 December 2020 08: 42
        0
        The courts do not impose sanctions. These proceedings are needed only so that the topic of Ukraine is not forgotten. They cannot get anything sick from this. And for sanctions, and without this court, reasons will come up very quickly.
        1. Lipchanin
          Lipchanin 13 December 2020 09: 20
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          Courts do not impose sanctions

          Sanctions after a court decision
      3. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 13 December 2020 09: 25
        0
        Quote: military_cat
        the calculation was not justified.

        Who counted on?
        The Hague court, he's still that court.
        From them a fair decision to expect that the goat try to milk
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 13 December 2020 09: 49
          0
          This is after the hopes were not justified. And before even counting. And even some time later, that Russia will get the trump card out of its sleeve at the trial.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 13 December 2020 09: 53
            +2
            Quote: military_cat
            And before even counting.

            I do not know who could count on this, because a foreign court will never side with Russia.
            If only in small business. And even then, no one will follow his decision
      4. LifeIsGood
        LifeIsGood 13 December 2020 10: 18
        +1
        Well, they will introduce something again there ... shake their finger, and to hell with them. We will survive, we will not die! Not the first time.
        But this is your "but" pretty much hurts the eye. What are you trying to say? Do you accuse Russia that "it is so bad that it did not want to become a cancer and push buns in front of the West, and because of this we were imposed sanctions and we have to tighten our belts"? Did you mean that? Because reading your koment such an opinion is the first that comes to mind. Of course, I may be wrong and you meant something completely different, please explain.
      5. Oden280
        Oden280 13 December 2020 11: 49
        0
        Until the bulb. If they come up with it, they will still introduce it. And for what - it's just an excuse that has no meaning.
    2. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 December 2020 08: 04
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And in Donbass, isn't Ukraine at war with the LPNR and military crimes are not committed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions? This the cloaca country itself must appear before an international military tribunal for all the deeds that she has committed over the past 6 years, the revival of fascism and terrorist activities.


      So do you understand - OTHER , Ameryka, from NYMY.
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 34
        -5
        Quote: Insurgent
        So you understand - ANOTHER, Ameryka, from NYMY.

        it's within the country. If the world society agrees with the opinion of the official authorities about separatism, then they are allowed to do whatever is needed.
        This was the case during the Chechen wars. But the bombings there are worse than the Ukrainian ones. It did not occur to Ukraine to destroy its cities like that.

        this is the case in other countries where there are separatists.
        Our separatists are also not bastard. When they fired at Kramatorsk, they least thought about the peaceful people, for example. Zafigachili Tornado and made dozens of corpses.
        So the official version that they are terrorists even disappeared after Kramatorsk.
        1. Insurgent
          Insurgent 13 December 2020 15: 18
          +3
          Quote: Niel-le-Calais
          Our separatists are also not bastard. When they fired at Kramatorsk, they least thought about the peaceful people, for example. Zafigachili Tornado and made dozens of corpses.
          So the official version that they are terrorists even disappeared after Kramatorsk.

          Come on, come on yes ... Tell me in more detail about this to me, "a separatist not sewn with bast," with documents, evidence and facts.

          By the way, YOU made us separatists, the Maydauns who committed a coup, and having begun to forcefully tame those who did not accept it.

          And Yarosh shed his first blood at the checkpoint near Slavyansk ...

          And then, everything is secondary.
    3. Lionnvrsk
      Lionnvrsk 13 December 2020 09: 16
      +2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Let's start with the fact that today Russia does not care about the decision of this so-called. ICC,

      Not only Russia. At one time, the representative of the current owner of Ukraine - US National Security Advisor John Bolton said:
      "We will not cooperate with the ICC. We will not help the work of the ICC. We will not join the ICC. Let the ICC die by itself. After all that has happened, this court is already dead for us."
      "We will apply our justice system to these people. We will do the same for any company or state that will assist the ICC in persecuting American citizens!" hi
      1. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 35
        -3
        Quote: LIONnvrsk
        We will do the same for any company or state that assists the ICC in persecuting American citizens! "

        logical. They have tools weighing more than any ICC.
        And faster and more reliable.
    4. iouris
      iouris 13 December 2020 09: 59
      -2
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Russia does not care about the decision of this so-called. ICC

      This process has the ultimate goal of destroying one nuclear power. If she doesn't defend herself, it will soon be over.
    5. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 December 2020 10: 00
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      This cesspool country itself must appear before an international military tribunal for all those acts that it has committed over the past 6 years, the revival of fascism and terrorist activities.

      Fascism in Ukraine has acquired a state character, crimes committed by fascists are not investigated and punished. Oles Buzina was killed in broad daylight, the killers are known, but the punishment has not yet been followed. The new Nuremberg trial should be over Ukrainian fascism, and all non-people should remember this.
  2. VORON538
    VORON538 13 December 2020 07: 29
    +3
    Square is the land of strange people who all the time declare something and blindly believe in "abroad we can help" :)))
  3. askort154
    askort154 13 December 2020 07: 31
    +3
    Another negative exaggeration in the Western media, the name of the country is Russia. Their motto is not a single day without mentioning Russia. The info war is "progressing" at all levels.
  4. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 13 December 2020 07: 40
    0
    Well, well, let them amuse themselves and get rich with a thought! And for the truth, sooner or later, you will have to answer in the same ICC.
  5. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 13 December 2020 07: 56
    +3
    Repetition is the mother of learning: "In 2016, the International Criminal Court in The Hague recognized the reunification of Crimea with Russia as tantamount to an armed conflict between Ukraine and Russia. The Russian Foreign Ministry said that the ICC did not live up to the hopes placed on it by becoming a dependent body. Russian President Vladimir Putin signed an executive order refusing Russia to participate in the Rome Statute of the ICC. In addition, Moscow does not recognize the jurisdiction of the ICC over the alleged confrontation between Russian and Ukrainian military in Donbass."And they will say or write or write to sing about there. And it’s not like Ukrainian to declare anything about this. Beggars and political worthlessness! hi
  6. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 13 December 2020 08: 13
    +2
    Judging by the photo, the "prosecutor" is shocked by the Skakuas statement.
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 13 December 2020 08: 36
      +2
      Quote: stock buildbat
      Judging by the photo, the "prosecutor" is shocked by the Skakuas statement.

      Already turned black yes
  7. Ovsigovets
    Ovsigovets 13 December 2020 08: 33
    +3
    and what did the Russians say to the Tatars?
    "and our army" (C)
  8. svp67
    svp67 13 December 2020 08: 34
    +2
    That this investigation will begin with the coming to power of the Democrats, led by Biden - NO Doubt
  9. New Year day
    New Year day 13 December 2020 09: 04
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Will the pipelines come to cut off?))) Such a move is possible only in one case - the complete blocking of the country. Which, in principle, is impossible, since this is the first step towards war.

    With what fright? SP-2 frozen and the war began?
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 December 2020 09: 08
    -1
    All these dumbass can say whatever they want, but when the people's tribunal over these Bandera ghouls begins in Donbass, the whole world will see who is worth what.
  11. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 13 December 2020 09: 08
    0
    Let’s be bullshit!
  12. Vlad Pervovich
    Vlad Pervovich 13 December 2020 09: 09
    +1
    Quote: South Ural
    Ukraine said that the court in The Hague is "ready to investigate Russia's war crimes"

    The next trial of the world's criminals (including the Bandera) will be held in Beijing! It will be safer there than in your Hague and Nuremberg .. hi
    The verdict will be carried out immediately, the Chinese are strict in this regard and no appeals and other cunning lawyer's tricks .. Get ready! soldier

    or even better, in North Korea ;-)
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    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 13 December 2020 10: 09
      +2
      i232323b (Igor Berezhnov)
      Today, 09: 14
      NEW
      -1
      in 2016, Russia decided to withdraw from the International Criminal Court agreement.

      How cool it turned out - I got out of the agreement, and I'm no longer a criminal!
      You should cover the blower so it doesn't stink! angry
    2. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 10: 52
      +1
      Quote: i232323b
      in childhood we were taught - not knowledge ...

      And why did you stop, continue ... for example, we were taught that everyone should do their own thing: a doctor - to treat, a pilot - to fly, a judge - to judge ... You propose to agree that a judge who is a criminal himself will judge the Russian Federation for actions in which she has not officially participated? Russia, unlike the "partners", God forgive me, at least somehow tries to act decently and does not shake test tubes... You watch less news / braces / gordons at night, it helps ...
      1. Roman_LKW
        Roman_LKW 13 December 2020 11: 41
        -4
        Well, hide behind a fig leaf "did not participate officially", and everyone around is blind and did not notice anything ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 11: 45
          +3
          Quote: Roman_LKW
          Well, hide behind a fig leaf ...
          Well then, show your adherence to "democratic values" and show the staff and here for Iraq, Afghanistan, Yugoslavia ... they did not even try to hide behind. When will you be expected at the picket?
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            1. Pete mitchell
              Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 15: 04
              +1
              Quote: Roman_LKW
              Instead of waiting, we are running from you ...

              Are you running yourself or are you being pushed under the soft parts? And also tell me that wherever you run, they are waiting for you with open arms ... Do mercy - live your mind, I think it will become easier for everyone around. In the meantime, excuse the comparison - like puppets, what are you. They pull the puppets by the strings, and here they put them on the hand ...
              I agree with you on one thing - the Rubicon was passed when Russian political elites hoped for the fraternal feelings of former relatives; I had to work hard
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                1. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 21: 29
                  +2
                  Let me ask you who is treacherous that
                  Quote: Roman_LKW
                  taking advantage of the weakness and misfortune of his brother and seized someone else's territory.
                  that Russia again?
                  Quote: Roman_LKW
                  I agree to a foreign administration, I do not believe my own government absolutely ...
                  - you are doing the right thing. It remains only to learn to cut yourself and for your interests
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            1. VORON538
              VORON538 13 December 2020 15: 12
              +1
              Your wow has burst out :))) No one has captured anything. The Russians left you with their land, with the Crimea! And until your death you will exude bile about this. :)))
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          2. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 15: 11
            +2
            Quote: Niel-le-Calais
            Well, the burghers do not believe that ...

            Did the burghers tell you this? Of course they do not believe, but they are frankly on the side of all this, they are not interested in it until it directly concerns them. You don't think that they are interested in who is sitting on the pipe - they are interested in the gas, and not as with the 404 country.
            Quote: Niel-le-Calais
            imposed sanctions for participating and participating.
            and will be extended, and will be introduced, do you doubt? I can't find an article by one American economist, he's not popular, but he has a habit of being right: all this is boiling around the country of 14 in the 404th year in order to destroy the outlined deepening of cooperation between the Russian Federation and the FRG - Russian resources and German opportunities are a terrible nightmare of the Anglo-Saxons; how do you like this option.
  14. Prisoner
    Prisoner 13 December 2020 09: 46
    +2
    The lady's logic is such that she does not even pull a woman's. winked
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 13 December 2020 10: 08
      0

      Prisoner (Ayrat)
      Today, 09: 46
      NEW
      0
      The lady's logic is such that she doesn't even pull a woman's. winked
      Those debies ... stupid ones don't need logic. In the same Hague they will start sewing business for us!
  15. Whirlwind
    Whirlwind 13 December 2020 09: 46
    +1
    The new Nuremberg court is crying for the legalization and heroization of fascism on Wukraine, over the Washington litter and their patrons. Which at one time to the whole world declared that the crimes of the Nazis and their inspirers have no statute of limitations for that would not happen again!
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 13 December 2020 10: 07
      0
      Vikhor (Eugene)
      Today, 09: 46
      NEW
      +1
      The new Nuremberg court is crying for the legalization and heroization of fascism on Wukraine, over the Washington litter and their patrons. Which at one time to the whole world declared that the crimes of the Nazis and their inspirers have no statute of limitations for that would not happen again!
      This will never be seen in The Hague!
      1. Whirlwind
        Whirlwind 13 December 2020 11: 17
        0
        As they say - "Never say" Never "...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 13 December 2020 11: 32
          +1
          Quote: Whirlwind
          As they say - "Never say" Never "...

          It is absolutely fair, only the fosterlings of "Western values" need to clear a very selective memory to begin with: they have not received a candelabrum for a very long time.
      2. Niel-le-Calais
        Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 43
        -3
        Quote: aszzz888
        This will never be seen in The Hague!

        Well, show it.
        Put the question to the UN. And other structures. Go to court international.
        It seems that Ukraine is doing it in court. What prevents "confronting" the fascists (I always hear this word - I understand that the TV has spoiled the generation of Russians) from Ukraine in the same court order as "fascists from Ukraine" in relation to "fascists from the Russian Federation" (on their TV)
        the fact that the TV can blame anything in every country is understandable.
        But if there is a desire to fight, here is the trial, here is the address of the UN.
  16. Simon
    Simon 13 December 2020 10: 04
    0
    If the court in The Hague is honest and incorruptible, then won't it turn out that the Ukrainian government is criminal!
  17. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 December 2020 10: 06
    +1
    According to Ms. Stefanishina, the very fact of the readiness to start an investigation by the Hague Tribunal "suggests that they recognize the role of the Russian Federation in committing crimes against humanity."
    And they will start, and recognize)) guilty of Russia. angry
  18. bar
    bar 13 December 2020 10: 26
    +1
    Ukraine said that the court in The Hague is "ready to investigate Russia's war crimes"

    And in Russia they said that they would put the device on trial in The Hague. laughing
  19. kit88
    kit88 13 December 2020 10: 29
    +9
    Tell Ms. Stefanishina that we do not care and grind on the trial in The Hague.
    And also bring that the Rostov Garrison Court is more relevant for her.
  20. Basarev
    Basarev 13 December 2020 10: 53
    -5
    But there will be an investigation, and Russia will be found guilty. The punishment will follow immediately. They know how to come up with these sanctions. Up to the Cuban, absolute embargo. These are not Kremlin maniacs who can only express concerns.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 13 December 2020 11: 48
    +2
    The ICC especially needs to deal with the Crimea. To sort out the torture of holidaymakers with ice cream and the salt sea, the construction of a bridge, roads, repairs of schools and gardens. For the fact that they dared to build 2 power plants.
    Well this is a full-length criminal case !!!
  22. Leonidych
    Leonidych 13 December 2020 12: 26
    +3
    All these courts, sanctions, attacks on us will be as long as this state of Ukraine exists. And it will be for a very long time, maybe 50, maybe 100 years, and maybe more. It is beneficial for the West, so they will create all the conditions for the existence of this state. Keep them on a short leash. There, on those lands, the consciousness of people is already so much turned towards enmity with us that they cannot be altered. The point of no return has long been passed. Ukraine is lost to us. Now we have to live with it. It was necessary to resolve the issue in 2014 maximum in 2015. There was still a chance. now he's gone. They will not be allowed to start a war with us. Well, we won't go there ourselves.
  23. Yellow bubble
    Yellow bubble 13 December 2020 13: 02
    +1
    The day will come and Bandera's people will stand in straight rows, together with the Dutch goats at the wall, and the people of Donbass will command your execution !!!
  24. Niel-le-Calais
    Niel-le-Calais 13 December 2020 14: 52
    -5
    At the very beginning of the proceedings in Kiev, it was assumed that Russia, if the court made a decision that was unfavorable for itself, could refuse to carry it out. Ukrainian experts recalled: in 2015, Vladimir Putin signed a law according to which the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation can recognize decisions of international courts as unenforceable if they contradict the Russian Constitution.
    The fact is that the litigation between Ukraine and the Russian Federation in The Hague has been going on for more than one year.
    The Russian Federation did not fulfill the past (they just said everything is fine) decisions.
    The court's decision only strengthens the scale on the sanction pressure without directly influencing the decision of the Russian Federation. And so there are no tools to directly influence.
    The funny thing is that the same thing happened with Georgia and the Russian Federation after their conflict.
    Georgia filed a lawsuit against it in the same UN international lawsuit, accusing Moscow of violating the convention on the prohibition of racial discrimination.
    Russia responded by saying that Tbilisi had not consulted with it on the possibility of a peaceful settlement of the dispute, therefore the court had no jurisdiction to consider this claim. The International Court of Justice agreed with these arguments.

    this time Kiev and Moscow spent several hours consulting and came to nothing.
    In general, the court again.
    By the way, Moscow has fulfilled the decision of MT. But there it is clear what the threat was.
    There is only influence on EU decisions.
  25. My_log_in
    My_log_in 13 December 2020 14: 56
    +2
    Even the prosecutor has a mask that is not politically correct in color, it would be necessary to attract her for intolerance in this matter, well, or investigate at least by the forces of independent journalists))) How tired they are of everything ...
  26. 7 poplar
    7 poplar 14 December 2020 00: 20
    0
    The investigation, of course, will not go quickly. so 150-200 years. wassat
  27. Emil
    Emil 14 December 2020 21: 30
    0
    Quote: military_cat
    but only again the belts will have to be tightened,

    I'm really worried about you, you will lose weight, there will be no strength to scatter rubbish ...