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The use of German captured submachine guns in the USSR

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The use of German captured submachine guns in the USSR

In feature films, German soldiers are often depicted as armed exclusively with submachine guns (PP) MP38 / 40, from which the Nazis fire in long bursts, practically without aiming. However, in reality, the proportion of servicemen armed with PPs in the Wehrmacht was lower than in the Red Army. The bulk of the German infantrymen were armed with rifles. In addition, in addition to the MP38 / 40, the Germans had several other types of submachine guns. In the second half of the war in Germany, machine guns were created for an intermediate cartridge, which were quite actively used in hostilities.


In a previous publication devoted to the use of captured German pistols in the USSR, one of the commentators reproached me for the fact that the title of the article did not fully correspond to its content and that too much attention was paid to the characteristics and technical features of the samples in question. However, I believe that without a short description weapons, which was captured by the Red Army, the reader will not have a complete idea of ​​the subject of the story.

German submachine guns


The first PP entered service with the Kaiser's army in 1918, shortly before the end of the First World War. Known as the MP18 (German Maschinenpistole 18), this recoil-based automatic weapon was primarily intended for assault troops. The 9mm Parabellum submachine gun was developed by Hugo Schmeisser and manufactured by Bergmann Industriewerke.

In the combat position, the MP18 (depending on the type and capacity of the store) weighed 4,84-5,25 kg. Length - 815 mm. Barrel length - 200 mm. The original Trommelmagazin 08 was used for 32 rounds. However, later, late-release PPs were equipped with box magazines with a capacity of 20 or 32 rounds. The rate of fire is about 500 rds / min. Bullet muzzle velocity - 380 m / s. Effective firing range - 100 m.

The MP18 submachine gun, despite the laboriousness of manufacture and the problems associated with the reliability of the magazines, generally performed well. Before the end of hostilities on the Western Front, the army received about 10 MP000 submachine guns. In total, more than 18 of them were manufactured at German enterprises. Later, on the basis of the MP17, improved PP were created, and he himself became a role model in other countries. In the interwar period, the MP000 continued to remain in service, and a number of PPs of this type were used on the Eastern Front.


MP18 and MP28 submachine guns with different types of magazines.

The MP28 submachine gun (German Maschinenpistole 28), which appeared in 1928, was an improved MP18. The main differences between the MP28 and the MP18 were the use of an improved magazine for 32 rounds and the ability to fire single shots. The weight of the weapon was reduced by about 200 g. The rest of the characteristics remain the same.


MP28 submachine gun.

In 1932, designer Emil Bergmann (after selling the rights to manufacture the MP18 to the Swiss concern SIG) created the BMP-32 submachine gun. In 1934, an improved version of the BMP-32 was developed based on the BMP-34 design. These weapons were supplied mainly for export. A variant known as the MP34 / I chambered for the 9mm Parabellum cartridge was produced for the German police. In 1935, an improved modification of the MP35 appeared, which was adopted by the Wehrmacht in 1939. Externally, the PPs designed by Bergmann are similar to the Schmeisser samples, but differ from them not only in the right-sided location of the store, but also in a number of original design features.


MP35 submachine gun.

Like the MP18, the MP35 submachine gun uses a blowback system. A distinctive feature of the weapon is the cocking handle, which is located in the rear end of the bolt carrier and resembles a rifle bolt. When firing, the bolt handle remains stationary. A partial pull on the trigger gave a single shot, and a full one - automatic fire. Sights are designed for a range of 100 to 500 meters. The mass of the weapon in the firing position (with a magazine for 32 rounds) was 4,6 kg. Length - 840 mm. Rate of fire 550-600 rds / min.

The MP35 submachine gun had a very high workmanship, good accuracy and stability in automatic fire. Its reliability was higher than that of previous models. The MP35 was delivered to the German armed forces from 1940 to 1944. During this period, more than 40 PPs of this type were produced. During the Second World War, the main part of the MP000 was used by the SS troops.

The most famous German submachine gun from the Second World War is the MP40, created by Heinrich Vollmer. However, this weapon was preceded by other PPs, similar in appearance and design. Since the mid-1920s, the Reichswehr secretly financed the development of new submachine guns, and Heinrich Volmer designed a number of samples, some of which were brought to the stage of mass production.


EMP submachine gun.

In total, at least 10 thousand EMP submachine guns were made in Germany, but the exact volume of production is not known, and most of them were intended for foreign customers. A batch of these submachine guns in 1936 was purchased by the SS, which used these PPs throughout the Second World War.

After the Nazis came to power, Erfurter Maschinenfabrik (ERMA) introduced the EMP36 submachine gun, also known as the MP36. Compared to the MP18 and MP28, it was a simpler and cheaper weapon.


MP36 submachine gun.

The neck of the MP36 store was moved down. True, not strictly vertically to the barrel of the weapon, but with a slight offset to the left. This decision made it possible to overcome the shortage of German-made submachine guns, which was associated with the lateral arrangement of stores. The transfer of the center of gravity to the plane of symmetry of the submachine gun had a positive effect on the accuracy of fire (regardless of the emptying of the store).

After the batch of MP36 entered military tests, it turned out that the weapon in its current form did not meet modern requirements and needed to be improved. Taking into account the wishes of the Wehrmacht's armaments management, a new compact PP with a folding butt was created, designed for tankers and paratroopers. To reduce the weight of the weapon, new technologies and materials were used. The forend was made of plastic, and the pistol grip was made of aluminum alloy. There were no wooden parts in the design of this PP at all: only metal and plastic, which greatly simplified and made the production process cheaper.


MP38 submachine gun.

The MP38 submachine gun had a revolutionary design for the late 1930s. It became the first mass-produced submachine gun with a folding stock. The front pistol grip and wooden forend used in the MP36 have been omitted from the design. When firing, the weapon was held by the magazine slot. One of the features of this PP is also a moderate rate of fire (depending on the power of the cartridge used, 480-600 rds / min) and smooth operation of the automation, which increased the firing accuracy and controllability. To reduce the rate of fire, a pneumatic recoil buffer was introduced into the design. Although there was no translator for the types of fire, an experienced shooter, measuring the time for pressing the trigger, could achieve single shots. The receiver is cylindrical. On the barrel in the muzzle there is a lower protrusion for fixing weapons in the embrasures of combat vehicles. The metal butt folds down in the stowed position.


MP38 submachine gun with unfolded stock.

The length of the MP38 with the butt unfolded was 833 mm, with the folded stock - 630 mm. Barrel length - 251 mm. Weight without cartridges - 4,18 kg, with cartridges - 4,85 kg. Magazine capacity - 32 rounds. Sights consist of a front sight, protected by a front sight, and a cross-over rear sight, which allows aimed shooting at 100 and 200 meters. The effective firing range does not exceed 100-120 m.

ERMA received a government order for a submachine gun in the first half of 1938. After military trials of the prototype batch, the MP38 was officially adopted in June 1938. The new submachine gun was well received among the troops. It turned out to be much more convenient than the previously available MP18 and MP28. High quality workmanship and well-thought-out design ensured the reliability of the automation. With proper care, the resource of the weapon exceeded 25 rounds. The MP000 was light enough, with the stock folded it had small dimensions, as a result of which it was convenient to manipulate it during the battle indoors and inside combat vehicles. Thanks to a significant margin of safety, this PP could easily digest cartridges of increased power.

Initially, the MP38 was intended for the crews of combat vehicles, paratroopers, signalmen, field gendarmerie, second numbers of machine-gun crews and officers participating in hostilities. But later, other categories of military personnel were armed with these submachine guns. By the beginning of World War II, the German armed forces had about 9 MP000. It is impossible to establish the exact number of MP38 produced, but many sources say that approximately 38 units were produced.

According to the plans of the Wehrmacht command, each infantry company was supposed to have 14-16 submachine guns. Taking into account the fact that the production volumes of the MP38 did not allow to quickly saturate the troops with the required number of PPs, it was decided to develop a cheaper and more technologically advanced model with the same combat and service-operational characteristics.

At the beginning of 1940, the production of the MP40 submachine gun, which was created on the basis of the MP38, but had a more technological design, began. Compared to the MP38, the MP40 contained more stamped parts. Thanks to this, it was possible to reduce the labor intensity of production and reduce the weight to 3,96 kg. Externally, the MP40 differed from the MP38 in a smooth (without ribs) top of the case and a different magazine mount.

The device of the MP38 fuse caused a lot of criticism. In this regard, a new fuse was introduced on the MP40, which was located on the right side of the submachine gun and fixed the bolt in the forward position. Based on operating experience, since 1942, stiffening ribs began to be made on the nest of the store.

During the production of the MP40, changes were constantly made to its device. Some variants of the MP40 released after 1943 lacked the pneumatic retarder and had a reinforced return spring. This, in turn, increased the rate of fire to 750 rds / min and negatively affected the reliability of the weapon.

Some MP40s had a thread in the muzzle of the barrel, which made it possible to install silent and flameless firing devices on them. For effective noise suppression, special Nahpatrone 08 cartridges with a weighted bullet and a reduced powder load were required. With an initial bullet speed of 280-290 m / s, the effective firing range did not exceed 50 m.


MP40 submachine gun.

The MP40 submachine guns were primarily received by paratroopers, scouts, junior command personnel and armored vehicle crews. In total, by the end of 1944, more than 1 million MP40 were produced. This made it possible to only partially meet the needs for PP, and in the armed forces of the "Third Reich" throughout the war there was a shortage of weapons of this kind. The saturation of German infantry units with submachine guns was not high, the commanders of squads and platoons were armed with MP40s, they were relatively more common among panzergrenadiers, tankers and paratroopers.

Like any weapon, the MP40 had drawbacks: a long, strongly protruding magazine made it difficult to fire from a prone position, which forced it to rise above the ground. The cocking handle located on the left when carrying the weapon in the "on the chest" position pressed the owner's chest, causing him inconvenience. Due to the lack of a barrel casing during prolonged shooting, there was a high probability of burns. However, the main drawback was the continuation of the advantages: the hinges of the folding metal butt turned out to be unreliable and loosened very quickly, which in turn negatively affected the shooting accuracy.

Due to the unreliability of the folding stock and the need to saturate the infantry units with submachine guns, in 1941 Hugo Schmeisser presented the MP41 for testing. This weapon used a wooden stock with a stock, a bracket and a trigger from the MP28 and a barrel with a bolt box, a bolt and a reciprocating spring from the MP40. Unlike the MP38 and MP40, the MP41 had a translator for the types of fire.


Submachine guns MP41 and MP38.

The total length of the MP41 approximately corresponded to the dimensions of the MP38 and MP40 with the stock unfolded. The mass in the firing position was 4,6 kg. Thanks to better stability and the ability to fire single shots, the MP41 was more accurate. The serial production of the MP41 was carried out by CG Haenel. But at the same time, the widespread use of MP41 was hampered by the higher cost and worse adaptability for mass production. In total, about 26 copies were made, which mainly went to the SS troops.

At the final stage of the war in Germany, a number of surrogate submachine guns were created, with which they tried to eliminate the shortage of small arms. In most cases, these crafts were of poor workmanship and low combat characteristics. The exception is the Italian PP Beretta M38 / 42, designated MP 738 (i) in Germany. After Italy withdrew from the war, they tried to establish the production of MP 738 (i) at German enterprises. It is believed that the Germans could have up to 150 MP 000 (i) captured in Italy and produced in their own factories.


Beretta M38 / 42 submachine gun.

The mass of the MP 738 (i) in the firing position was 4,14 kg. Weapon length - 800 mm. Barrel length - 213 mm. Rate of fire - 550 rds / min. Conducting single and automatic fire was provided by two triggers. Store for 10, 20, 30 and 40 rounds. Sighting range - up to 200 m.

Comparison of German and Soviet submachine guns


In 1940, the German infantry division in the state was supposed to have 312 submachine guns. As of June 22, 1941, in 1941, the German troops participating in the attack on the USSR could have more than 150 MP000, MP28, MP35 and MP38. By the middle of 40, more than 1941 PPD-85/000 and PPD-34 were manufactured in the USSR.

Taking into account one year of production, it will be appropriate to compare the MP40 and PPD-40 submachine guns. In constructive terms, the Soviet PPD-40 was more archaic, and conceptually had much in common with the German MP18 and MP28. The main parts of PPD-40, like all PPs of the first generation, were made on metal-cutting machines, which led to low manufacturability and high cost. In the MP40, based on the MP38, the proportion of stamped parts was higher. However, the MP40 also turned out to be quite expensive and difficult to manufacture, which subsequently forced the Germans to look for a replacement for it.


PPD-40 submachine gun.

The PPD-40 submachine gun was more bulky and had a length of 788 mm, and its weight in firing position was 5,45 kg. Barrel length - 244 mm. Bullet muzzle velocity - 490 m / s. Sights were designed for a distance of up to 500 m, but the effective firing range did not exceed 200 m. The rate of fire was 1000 rds / min. There was a fire translator. The capacity of the drum magazine is 71 rounds.

During the Winter War with Finland, it turned out that the role of submachine guns was underestimated by the command of the Red Army, and therefore, from January 1940, all the shops involved in the production of PPDs were transferred to three-shift work. At the same time, the modernized PPD-40 remained quite expensive and difficult to manufacture. It was quite obvious that the PPD-40 in its current form is a temporary measure, and the Red Army needs a new submachine gun.

Already at the end of 1941, it was replaced by the PPSh-41, more adapted for mass production (albeit less reliable), the development of which began in parallel with the deployment of the mass production of the PPD-40. The Shpagin submachine gun could be produced at any industrial enterprise with low-power pressing equipment, which turned out to be very useful during the Great Patriotic War.

Externally, the PPD-40 and PPSh-41 are similar, both have a receiver fused with a barrel casing, a bolt with a safety lock on the cocking handle, a fire translator in the trigger guard in front of the trigger, a reversible sight and a wooden stock. But at the same time, the PPSh-41 is more suitable for mass production. Only the barrel required precise machining, the bolt was turned on a lathe. Almost all other metal parts could be made by stamping. The production of PPSh-41 did not require materials that were extremely scarce in wartime, such as high-strength alloy steels.

Initially, the PPSh-41 was equipped with drum magazines from the PPD-40. But due to the fact that the drum magazine in combat conditions turned out to be not very reliable, was unnecessarily heavy and expensive to manufacture, and also required individual adjustment for each specific submachine gun, in 1942 for the PPSh-41 they created a sector magazine with a capacity 35 rounds.

Initially, the PPSh-41 sights were the same as on the PPD-40. However, subsequently, a simplified version was produced with a throw-over 100 and 200 meters. A submachine gun with a disk magazine weighed 5,3 kg, with a sector one - 4,15 kg. Length - 843 mm, barrel length - 269 mm. Bullet muzzle velocity - 500 m / s. Rate of fire - 1000 rds / min.

The PPSh-41 became truly massive, about 6 million copies were produced during the war years. This made it possible to saturate the Red Army with inexpensive automatic weapons. Despite some shortcomings and claims to the quality of workmanship, the PPSh-41 has justified itself. Its suitability for mass production, combat and service-operational characteristics fully corresponded to the requirements.


PPSh-41 and MP40.

The use of a powerful cartridge 7,62 × 25 mm TT gave an advantage in range over German PPs, the fire from which was fired with 9-mm Parabellum cartridges. Although at a distance of up to 100 m (due to better controllability and a lower rate of fire), the MP38 and MP40 were more accurate when firing in short bursts, then with an increase in the distance, Soviet PPs became much more effective. The effective firing range of the PPSh-41 is almost 1,5 times higher than the German MP40. In addition, the bullet fired from the PPSh-41 had greater penetrating power.


Submachine gun MP41 (r).

Soviet submachine guns were appreciated by the enemy. There are many photographs in which soldiers of the Wehrmacht and SS are armed with PPD-40 and PPSh-41. Moreover, the Germans converted more than 10 captured PPSh-000 under the 41 mm cartridge. The alteration was reduced to replacing the barrel and using magazines from the MP9 / 38. The Germanized PPSh-40 is known as the MP41 (r).

It is worth noting that after the soldiers of the Red Army began to capture the MP38 and MP40, requests from the front began to arrive "to make us the same." Tankers were especially active in this - German PPs with folding butts were much more suitable for placement in tight armored space than PPD-40 and PPSh-41. In 1942, a competition was announced for a lighter, more compact and cheaper PP, but not inferior in characteristics to the PPSh-41. At the end of 1942, the production of the PPS-42 submachine gun began. In 1943, the improved PPS-43 was adopted. PPS-42 and PPS-43 were powered from a 35-round magazine. Compared to the submachine guns previously created in the USSR, the PPS-43 was more technologically advanced, lightweight, reliable and compact.


PPS-43 submachine gun

The length with the stock folded was 616 mm, with the stock folded out - 831 mm. Weight in firing position - 3,67 kg. Thus, with almost the same dimensions as the MP40, our PPS-43 was much lighter. The rate of fire was 550-600 rds / min, thanks to which the accuracy when firing in bursts was better than that of other Soviet serial PPs. There was no translator of fire modes, but with a certain skill (by briefly pressing the trigger), single shots can be achieved. The effective firing range remained the same as that of the PPSh-41. Although PPS-43 was superior to PPSh-41 in a number of characteristics, due to the undesirability of restructuring established production and reducing production volumes, PPS-43 produced only about 500 copies.

The use of German submachine guns in the USSR


Since by the time of the attack on the Soviet Union, sufficiently advanced submachine guns had been created and adopted in Germany, and the outdated MP18 and MP28 were used mainly in police and auxiliary units, there were few of them among the trophies captured by the Red Army. However, more numerous MP35s came across our fighters more often.


Partisan with an MP35 submachine gun

However, due to their greater prevalence, the Red Army and partisans usually captured MP38 and MP40, which we incorrectly called "Schmeiser". This misconception is due to the fact that the inscription Patent Schmeisser CGHaenel was applied on the stores of German PP. That is, Hugo Schmeisser only owned the patent for the store.


In the initial period of the war (due to the total lack of individual domestic automatic weapons), captured PPs in the Red Army were in great demand. Although there was often a shortage of 9 mm Parabellum cartridges, German-made submachine guns were often considered as a reserve, when repelling enemy infantry attacks in close proximity to their positions.


In the memoir literature there is a description of cases when, at critical moments of the battle, our soldiers put aside their rifles and fired from captured PPs at the German infantry, which approached our trenches at a distance of less than 100 m.


Before the saturation of the infantry units with domestic-made submachine guns, the German MP38 / 40 often served as the personal weapon of the commanders of the platoon-battalion level, they were also used by the military personnel communicating with the headquarters, military postmen and crews tanks... For some time, German PPs were used in parallel with the PPSh-41.


The fact that the commanders of the units, through whose area of ​​responsibility the Soviet units were orderly out of the encirclement, demanded the surrender of individual captured automatic weapons, testifies to how much the German SMGs were valued in our infantry in 1941. At the same time, the weapons laid down by the state remained on hand.


In Soviet reconnaissance and sabotage groups and partisan detachments operating in the German rear, fighters were often armed with captured PP. Sometimes this was preferable to using Soviet weapons. In the event of the use of 9-mm rounds, it was possible to replenish the ammunition by capturing it from the enemy. In addition, the shots from the MP38 / 40 did not unmask the scouts so much as they were easily recognized by the characteristic sound of bursts from Soviet submachine guns.

By the beginning of 1943, the role of captured PPs in the system of small arms of the Soviet infantry decreased. Nevertheless, due to the fact that after the loss of the strategic initiative by the Germans and the transition of the Red Army to large-scale offensive operations, our troops began to capture more German submachine guns.


The enemy weapons remaining on the battlefield were organized in an organized way by trophy teams and sent to the workshops created in the rear, where troubleshooting, sorting took place, and, if necessary, repairs were carried out. Weapons suitable for further use were preserved and sent for storage. After the end of the war, there were more than 50 German submachine guns in Soviet warehouses.

Although in the second half of the war, Soviet industry was able to adequately saturate the PPSh-41 and PPS-43 troops, the German PPs were in the army until the end of hostilities. Often, supernumerary captured submachine guns were used by crews of armored vehicles, vehicle drivers, signalmen and specialists from various technical services.

Subsequently, part of the MP40 suitable for further use was transferred to the newly formed armed forces of the countries that found themselves in the Soviet zone of occupation. There is also information that a certain number of MP40s as military assistance in the second half of the 1940s were sent to the Chinese communists, who were fighting the armed formations of the Kuomintang. These PPs in China were operated on a par with the already existing in significant quantities 9-mm MP28 and MP34 submachine guns, produced in China under license.


MP40 submachine gun at the Beijing War Museum of the Chinese Revolution

A number of sources say that the release of the MP40 was established at Chinese enterprises. The Chinese version differed from the original German weapon in the worst workmanship and in some details.

Another conflict in which captured German submachine guns were seen was the war in Southeast Asia. At the first stage of hostilities, the Soviet Union, as part of the provision of gratuitous military assistance, transferred to North Vietnam significant amounts of German small arms that were in storage.


Submachine guns used by Vietnamese partisans: at the top is the Soviet PPS-43, below the MP40 and K-50M, which was created in North Vietnam on the basis of the PPSh-41.
It must be said that the German-made 9mm submachine guns were well suited for jungle warfare. The MP40 remained in service with the Viet Cong throughout the Vietnam War, although by the late 1960s it was largely supplanted by more modern designs. Part of the MP40 delivered from the USSR was repulsed by South Vietnamese and American troops.


Subsequently, these PPs, along with other samples, were repeatedly demonstrated at exhibitions of weapons seized from partisans. A number of MP40s were used by South Vietnamese police forces, and after the fall of Saigon, they again went to the North Vietnamese army.

According to a number of sources, a small number of German PPs produced during World War II are still in the warehouses of the RF Ministry of Defense. In "new" Russia, on the shelves of weapons stores, you can sometimes find the MA-MP38 rifled "hunting" carbine, the manufacturer of which is the Molot Arms enterprise. MA-MP38 completely repeats the appearance and operation of the MP38 submachine gun. Magazine capacity - 10 rounds of 9 × 19 mm Parabellum.


In accordance with the requirements of the current legislation, the product has the possibility of only single fire, with the butt folded, the possibility of firing a shot is excluded, on the muzzle of the barrel and in the cup of the bolt by punching, markings are applied.

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  1. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 December 2020 18: 31
    +7
    Sergei hi Thank you for the article! I must say, the Germans knew how to make riflemen, at least pistols! They also have a very successful MG40 machine gun, if I'm not mistaken! I hope there will be a review about machine guns too, thanks in advance! hi
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 18: 42
      +23
      Sergey thanks for the review. For the format of the article, VO is very detailed and very voluminous, although it was not possible to cover everything with the trophy PP. It would not be bad to add alaverdi about Austrian, Czech and other PPs in service with the Wehrmacht.
      Regards, Vlad!
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 23: 29
        +5
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        It would not be bad to add alaverdi about Austrian, Czech and other PPs in service with the Wehrmacht.
        Regards, Vlad!

        To be continued ... Sergey's articles are very solid. And the scouts still loved the German PPs stupidly due to the fact that they were more convenient, and the magazine did not fall out when crawling, like the PPSh.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 December 2020 02: 51
          +6
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Sergey's articles are very thorough.

          On which Vladimir strongly and count!
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 02: 54
            +4
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            On which Vladimir strongly and count!

            But all the same, as our meticulous types noticed, he made several mistakes. wink
      2. Toucan
        Toucan 15 December 2020 02: 02
        +7
        If you write about all the PPs used during the VM by the German army, you get a very voluminous monograph. It seemed to me that, as in the case of pistols, the author set himself the task of telling exactly about German-made PPs, which were most often captured by our troops. In my opinion, it turned out well, although there are minor inaccuracies.
      3. Bongo
        15 December 2020 13: 23
        +4
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Sergey thanks for the review. For the format of the article, VO is very detailed and very voluminous, although it was not possible to cover everything with the trophy PP. It would not be bad to add alaverdi about Austrian, Czech and other PPs in service with the Wehrmacht.
        Regards, Vlad!

        Vladislav, hello! Glad you liked it! drinks
        Although I have to admit, there were some shortcomings on my part. request
        For a detailed description of all PPs used in the Wehrmacht and the SS, a separate cycle must begin. I just, rather briefly, tried to talk about the evolution of the German PP, and about the most common models that could be used in the Red Army.
        The next part will be about rifles and machine guns for intermediate cartridges.
        1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
          Kote Pan Kokhanka 15 December 2020 19: 55
          +4
          Thanks in advance!
    2. mr.ZinGer
      mr.ZinGer 14 December 2020 19: 58
      +9
      This is a typo or a gap in my knowledge, I know about MG34 and MG42
    3. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 December 2020 20: 03
      +4
      Quote: Thrifty
      they have a very successful MG40 machine gun, if I'm not mistaken!

      what kind of MG40 ???
      1. Thrifty
        Thrifty 14 December 2020 21: 38
        +5
        Paragraph Epitaphtheni Y-MG42 !!!
    4. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 14 December 2020 20: 46
      +7
      Quote: Thrifty
      They also have a very successful MG40 machine gun, if I'm not mistaken.

      MG-34 and MG-42 (Hitler's saw, Bone cutter ...).
      1. Insurgent
        Insurgent 15 December 2020 07: 05
        +8
        In 1943, the improved PPS-43 was adopted.


        "Veterans do not grow old in soul" - PPS-43, PPSh-41 and "three-line" in the service of the Donbass militia of the very initial period 2014







        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 15 December 2020 09: 04
          +5
          Quote: Insurgent
          "Veterans do not grow old in soul" - PPS-43, PPSh-41 and "three-line" in the service of the Donbass militia of the very initial period 2014

          Great car, this PPS-43. And there is nothing to say about "Mosinka". It was not possible to shoot from the PPSh-41. According to the reviews of those who happened to be, a very stable machine when firing bursts ... He held it in his hands. Such a heavy one. Well, roughly done. The stock is ... for melee. wink
    5. GTYCBJYTH2021
      GTYCBJYTH2021 15 December 2020 18: 52
      -3
      Quote: Thrifty
      Sergei hi Thank you for the article! I must say, the Germans knew how to make riflemen, at least pistols! They also have a very successful MG40 machine gun, if I'm not mistaken! I hope there will be a review about machine guns too, thanks in advance! hi

      Grandfather Trofim, who fought in the partisans, had medals - Why, - he said, - Moscow sends us its weapons So that we need weapons and supplies from Moscow ... So we need trophy ... cartridges ... But no, MOSKOVITS will do everything and everyone for themselves ...
      1. Siberian54
        Siberian54 11 March 2021 09: 55
        -1
        Ukrainian do not lie!
  2. Bolt cutter
    Bolt cutter 14 December 2020 18: 32
    +11
    after the end of the war, there were over 50 German submachine guns.
    And they melted down such a collection on steps ... But they did not think to make a censer from skulls wassat To complete the image, so to speak yes
    1. Captain45
      Captain45 15 December 2020 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: Bolt Cutter
      And they melted down such a collection.

      Yes, no one melted it. Stop moaning, better read it, I've already posted the link here: https: //riafan.ru/1144864 
  3. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 December 2020 18: 33
    +4
    Tell me, Sergei, why didn't you mention the Czech submachine gun adopted in the Wehrmacht?
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 18: 43
      +7
      HOW, leader, they took it off the tongue!
    2. Bongo
      15 December 2020 13: 18
      +5
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      seem, Sergei, why did not you mention the Czech submachine gun adopted in the Wehrmacht?

      Hello! Nazarius, in the framework of this publication, I tried to briefly describe German-made submachine guns and their evolution. Imagine the volume of the publication, if I undertook to list all automatic weapons under the pistol cartridge captured by the Germans in the occupied countries.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        The leader of the Redskins 15 December 2020 13: 21
        -3
        Good day. But that didn’t stop you from mentioning “Beretta M38 / 42”? And the Czech PP was also produced by order of the Wehrmacht.
        1. Bongo
          15 December 2020 13: 40
          +2
          According to the reference: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Maschinenpistolen.htm
          - PP MP 738 (i) in the German armed forces had about 150 thousand. The Czech PP ZK-383 was clearly not so numerous, and I do not know anything about the volume of its production in wartime and use on the Eastern Front. request
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 15 December 2020 17: 58
            +3
            The Czech PP ZK-383 was clearly not so numerous, and I do not know anything about the volume of its production in wartime and its use on the Eastern Front.
            Let's try to count.
            For the entire production period 1938-1944 and 1946-1950, approximately 35 units were produced.
            4000 were sent to Bulgaria.
            1000 - to Slovakia.
            1200 to Venezuela.
            1000 - to Bolivia.
            Some part was released in a police version without bipods and the ability to change the barrel.
            Remains about 20. These, judging by the literature, in the bulk entered service with the Waffen-SS and went to the Eastern Front. It is impossible to call it widespread, but it is possible that some specimens got as trophies.
  4. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 18: 55
    +4
    Thanks to the author. A very interesting and fairly detailed article. I look forward to continuing.
  5. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 December 2020 18: 56
    +14
    Another conflict in which captured German submachine guns were seen was the war in Southeast Asia.


    Ehida 101 with non-kosher MP-40)
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 15 December 2020 15: 28
      +3
      In the foreground: the commander of Detachment 101, Meir Khar-Zion.
      A ridiculous-looking village boy, but in fact - completely
      "Rambo" from Hollywood action movies. belay
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 December 2020 16: 27
        +3
        We know about his work ... (c)

        yes, I know who it is) soldier
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 14 December 2020 19: 07
    +4
    In war, as in war ... weapons are always valuable.
  7. Dimide
    Dimide 14 December 2020 19: 20
    +8
    Sincere thanks to the author!
    Mercenaries in the Congo also did not disdain German PP
  8. zxc15682
    zxc15682 14 December 2020 20: 14
    +9
    Schmeiser was the best .. It could easily be made from a picket fence in 30 minutes. laughing
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 14 December 2020 23: 06
      +7
      STAN was not bad either, he nailed the picket fence on the left and you have an "exclusive" in your hands. laughing
  9. Catfish
    Catfish 14 December 2020 22: 46
    +8
    The device of the MP38 fuse caused a lot of criticism. In this regard, a new fuse was introduced on the MP40, which was located on the right side of the submachine gun and fixed the bolt in the forward position.

    Well, where is the "new fuse ... on the right side"?

    It’s strange, I don’t believe that the author confused a military weapon with his airsoft version of the AGM MP007 softairgun.

    And the phrase is too long for a typo.
    1. Bongo
      15 December 2020 13: 13
      +7
      Konstantin, good evening! (I already have evening)
      I confess that I was holding the airsoft MP40 in my hands. Now I have re-read the book "World War II: The War of the Gunsmiths". The authors are Popenker M.R., Milchev M.N., and with regret I have to admit that the fuse on the modified MP38 and MP40 was a slot in the cocking handle. recourse
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 15 December 2020 13: 44
        +7
        Sergey, good afternoon! (we have a day in full swing near Ryazan) smile
        So on 38/40, different models had different loading handles, one with a lock, the other in the form of a simple "hook", and both, as a simple fuse, locked the bolt in the slot of the receiver.

        But both options were always on the left side of the p / p.
        1. Bongo
          15 December 2020 13: 53
          +7
          Quote: Sea Cat
          Sergey, good afternoon! (we have a day in full swing near Ryazan) smile
          So on 38/40, different models had different loading handles, one with a lock, the other in the form of a simple "hook", and both, as a simple fuse, locked the bolt in the slot of the receiver.

          But both options were always on the left side of the p / p.

          It makes me happy when competent people gather on the branch who can supplement the publication with competent comments. good
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 15 December 2020 14: 15
            +9
            So to an interesting article and comments are appropriate. smile drinks
            1. Bongo
              15 December 2020 14: 20
              +6
              Quote: Sea Cat
              So to an interesting article and comments are appropriate. smile drinks

              Konstantin, thanks, I tried! drinks
              Although I must admit, the topic is not entirely mine. On the other hand, I can no longer write about our air defense for certain reasons. request
              There are plans to tell how German rifles, machine guns, machine guns, tanks and artillery were used in the USSR.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 15 December 2020 14: 24
                +7
                The topic of trophies is more than interesting, for example, I was always surprised why the trophy weapons were taken away from the units leaving the encirclement, thanks, you clarified the situation. Continue, we will wait for the next publication.
                And what about air defense, some people don't need the truth?
                1. Bongo
                  15 December 2020 14: 29
                  +7
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  And what about air defense, some people don't need the truth?

                  Unfortunately ... I was very persistently asked not to write more on this topic. belay
                  It seems that in our country the truth is not needed at all.sad
                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 15 December 2020 14: 43
                    +8
                    I thought so. The truth is needed, but, unfortunately, not for everyone. There is such a category, they are so comfortable.
                    1. zyablik.olga
                      zyablik.olga 15 December 2020 15: 03
                      +6
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      I thought so. The truth is needed, but, unfortunately, not for everyone. There is such a category, they are so comfortable.

                      Hello! Here, rather, the matter is in another category, in the one that "hangs noodles" from the "zombie" and says that "we are stronger than ever." wassat
                      What Seryozha wrote was often in dissonance with television nonsense. Moreover, my husband always confirmed what was stated with satellite images and links to open sources. After the last incident, Seryozha arrived in a gloomy mood, and generally wanted to abandon "writing". I barely managed to dissuade him.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 15 December 2020 15: 23
                        +9
                        Hello Olga love
                        In no case should Sergey give up this business, he writes interesting articles, and you are a fine fellow that you support him in this. There are not many authors left on the site who can be read, and Sergey is in this cohort.
                        And it makes no sense to pay attention to a certain category of "commentators" - creatures offended by the nature.
                        May God grant you both health and all the best. smile
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  10. Catfish
    Catfish 14 December 2020 23: 04
    +8
    Some MP40s in the muzzle of the barrel had a thread, which made it possible to install silent and flameless firing devices on them.

    Yes, all of them there had a thread on which the muzzle was screwed in the standard version. On the diagram he is at number 1.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 14 December 2020 23: 20
      +9
      And the MP-40 was also equipped with a special "winter descent" to make it easier to shoot with thick gloves.
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 14 December 2020 23: 24
        +8
        And a muzzle to prevent dirt from entering the barrel.
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 14 December 2020 23: 29
          +10
          And a device for blank shooting.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 14 December 2020 23: 35
            +10

            Shop cleaning brush.
            1. Undecim
              Undecim 14 December 2020 23: 36
              +10
              MP40 / I variant
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 14 December 2020 23: 52
                +7
                In general, if we proceed from this reference book, intended for the personnel of storage warehouses, then in significant quantities as trophies from submachine guns were MP-40, MP-41, MP-28 (II), MP-43.

                1. Undecim
                  Undecim 15 December 2020 00: 12
                  +8
                  Schmeisser had another interesting development that did not get into production. MP 36.III
                2. Catfish
                  Catfish 15 December 2020 00: 28
                  +8
                  I have this guide, only in green livery. Had no idea that it was intended for l / c storage warehouses.
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 15 December 2020 00: 31
                    +10
                    On the first page it is indicated. But it is usually not read.
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 15 December 2020 01: 26
                      +8
                      Alas, the book is in Moscow, you can't see it. smile
        2. Gunfighter95
          Gunfighter95 5 May 2021 16: 44
          +2
          Only the MP-38 and MP-40 of the first issues were equipped with such a muzzle. There was an L-shaped protrusion on the front wall of the above mentioned PPs, for which the muzzle hooked when installed on the barrel. On subsequent modifications of the MP-40, the protrusion was absent and, accordingly, this device could not be installed.

          1. Undecim
            Undecim 5 May 2021 18: 22
            0
            On subsequent modifications of the MP-40, the protrusion was absent and, accordingly, this device could not be installed.

            It was replaced with a rubber plug, which could not be removed in case of emergency.
  11. aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 14 December 2020 23: 49
    +8
    Short. Father, born in 1923 intelligence service. They went into a deep raid only with "non-pretentious" weapons: there were no problems with ammunition. However, "tokarevka" has always been (I assume - SVT-40 in sniper performance). Although, a couple of times I mentioned "Mannlicher". It's a pity, he won't answer ...
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 02: 35
      +8
      Quote: aleks neym_2
      Although, I mentioned "Mannlicher" a couple of times. It's a pity, he won't answer ...

      Nice rifle. And in the First World War, ours captured it as trophies. Although the militia used in the Second World War.
  12. Yurahip
    Yurahip 15 December 2020 08: 46
    0
    MP 38 from MolotArmz is a Ukrainian newly-made copy, fenced in Russia.
    It has nothing to do with historical weapons. The same copies of the MP 38/40, as well as Sturmgevers, are produced in Germany.
    1. Bongo
      15 December 2020 12: 33
      +4
      Quote: Jurachip
      MP 38 from MolotArmz is a Ukrainian newly-made copy, fenced in Russia.

      Excuse me, but where does the opposite claim in this publication? what
  13. Captain45
    Captain45 15 December 2020 12: 14
    +6
    In F. Forsyth's "Dogs of War", mercenaries carry out a coup in an African country armed with MP-40 left over from the war.
  14. Alexfly
    Alexfly 15 December 2020 13: 59
    0
    Can you give more details, please, than the PPSh was unreliable?
    1. Bongo
      15 December 2020 14: 11
      +2
      Quote: AlexFly
      Can you give more details, please, than the PPSh was unreliable?

      First of all, the delays in firing were associated with the device of the disk magazine. In addition, the workmanship often left much to be desired.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 15 December 2020 15: 36
        +4
        This is a Finnish store. From a Suomi submachine gun.
        It was difficult to manufacture. And the military industry did not pull quality.
        Especially the neck, where the magazine is attached to the machine, did not work.
        It was customized at the factory with a file.
        Each machine came with two individually selected magazines.
        Inconvenient. Therefore, we switched to a regular store.
      2. Alexfly
        Alexfly 15 December 2020 17: 29
        -1
        The disk store was licked off at Suomi. And there is nothing to break in the PCA!
        1. sibiryouk
          sibiryouk 15 December 2020 18: 53
          +4
          In the Kalashnikov magazine for 2018 or 2019, there was a series of articles about the production of PCA during the war years by different factories. There is also an analysis of defective products - read it. As I remember, the best PCs were made by the SchetMash plant in Moscow.
        2. Toucan
          Toucan 16 December 2020 00: 47
          +3
          There is always something to break. Objectively, the manufacturing quality of the PPSh was worse than the PPD, and this also affected the reliability.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 15 December 2020 18: 06
        +6
        Quote: Bongo
        First of all, the delays in firing were associated with the device of the disk magazine. In addition, the workmanship often left much to be desired.

        And I didn't like this store full of cartridges. Once I talked with a WWII intelligence officer, he said that usually the store was loaded by two-thirds. About fifty rounds.
      4. DesToeR
        DesToeR 15 December 2020 19: 41
        0
        Quote: Bongo
        First of all, the delays in firing were associated with the device of the disk magazine.

        Was the PPSh store structurally different from the disk for PPD?
        And, if it's not difficult, tell me where this information comes from in the article:
        Although at a distance of up to 100 m (due to better controllability and a lower rate of fire), the MP38 and MP40 were more accurate when firing in short bursts, then with an increase in the distance, Soviet PPs became much more effective.

        What is "manageability"? The PPSh had more weight, a higher rate of fire and a structurally more rigid butt device - i.e. the same short burst "took off" in less time and from a more stable "platform". And due to what, with increasing distance, the performance of the PPSh improved with less accuracy up to 100m in short bursts?
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 16 December 2020 12: 05
          -3
          You understand this is a question of the interlocutor's incompetence, the PPSh cannot be worse than the MP40 in accuracy, it simply cannot !! The TT cartridge is obviously stronger and the trajectory is flatter than that of the Luger ...
          1. Bongo
            16 December 2020 12: 19
            +2
            Quote: AlexFly
            You understand this is a question of the interlocutor's incompetence, the PPSh cannot be worse than the MP40 in accuracy, it simply cannot !! The TT cartridge is obviously stronger and the trajectory is flatter than that of the Luger ...

            On the subject of "incompetence", do you distinguish ballistic performance from accuracy? No. Or do you want to say that the TT was more accurate than the P.38? The same applies to the MP40, when firing in bursts, the German PP, due to a lower rate of fire and better balance, demonstrated better accuracy at a short distance.
  15. bunta
    bunta 15 December 2020 23: 33
    0
    This weapon, known as the MP18 (German Maschinenpistole 18), with a recoil-based automation, was primarily intended for assault squads.

    I recommend in your research not to limit yourself to the works of Popenecre and the like. Machine pistols were plugging a hole in the shortage of light machine guns. : https://zen.yandex.ru/media/kalibr/genezis-pistoletovpulemetov-5eee5da97b585908713e0ca9
  16. bunta
    bunta 15 December 2020 23: 45
    0
    This weapon used a wooden stock with a stock.

    GOST 28653-2018 Small arms. Terms and Definitions
    188 small arms stock: A part of a small arms that serves as a stock and forend.
  17. bunta
    bunta 15 December 2020 23: 54
    0
    Compared to the submachine guns previously created in the USSR, the PPS-43 was more technologically advanced, lightweight, reliable and compact.
    Why only in comparison with PPs created in the USSR? PPP was almost twice cheaper in terms of metal consumption and labor costs than the same MP-40.
  18. kytx
    kytx 16 December 2020 00: 55
    +3
    in my memoirs I often came across the fact that the German empees were very fond of the Soviet artillerymen and mortarmen
    but somehow I came across an interview with a scout, he generally surprised me very badly about the PPSh says the whole group was armed with empe
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 16 December 2020 12: 07
      -3
      The standard weapon of the mortar and artilleryman was the Mosin rifle ...
      1. kytx
        kytx 16 December 2020 12: 13
        +4
        where is the standard weapon?
        in war, they often use what is more convenient and there is an opportunity to get
        your answer puzzled me
      2. Toucan
        Toucan 16 December 2020 14: 27
        +1
        Quote: AlexFly
        The standard weapon of the mortar and artilleryman was the Mosin rifle ...

        Maybe a carbine? But even if this is so, do you want to say that the gun and mortar crews refused to use captured submachine guns?
        1. Alexfly
          Alexfly 16 December 2020 14: 57
          0
          What is the difference between a carbine and an infantry rifle? Barrel length ... Are there many chances for an artilleryman shooting from closed positions to get hold of a trophy?
          1. kytx
            kytx 16 December 2020 16: 25
            +3
            there are chances: change, receive as a gift, find, etc.
            in addition, artillery is not always necessarily a closed position
            anti-tank for example - direct contact with the enemy
  19. tank66
    tank66 16 December 2020 12: 34
    0
    Thank you very much for the good article. And / not quite in the subject / question - in the picture taken on the phone, "on the run", part of the exposition of the St. Petersburg Museum of Artillery. I thought I’ll find it later in the net. But it didn’t grow together .. And hell knows when else I’ll get there .... I was struck by the size.

    What kind of machine?
    in the same place / on the same showcase or next door / was
    1. kytx
      kytx 16 December 2020 19: 06
      +4
      The Artillery Museum in St. Petersburg is generally a song
      large exposition many unique exhibits
      But ... How it is all composed! A person who is not in the subject there will not understand anything at all and the devil will break his leg
      But the museum is primarily an educational institution.
      well, unfortunately, many museums sin with this and not only in the Russian Federation
      I saw both of your samples on paper (hard media), I cannot search for them, for obvious reasons. it was a long time ago. roofing felts TM roofing felts Modelist-Constructor roofing felts in general ZVO.
      1. kytx
        kytx 16 December 2020 19: 08
        +2
        By the way, in St. Petersburg, they do not put a wheel on wheel locks
        xs why
        it's so simple. Well, screw the layout there
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 21 January 2021 19: 56
      0
      The submachine gun of the "scout-saboteur" is an obvious homemade product, and the pistol below is very reminiscent of the Walter 9th model, but the photo is very muddy and I cannot say this with a hundred percent certainty, there were Spanish and Czechoslovak copies.
  20. Michael
    Michael 16 December 2020 21: 11
    +2
    The partisan has everything on business - a compass, a monocular, a navigator. Do not enter the forest without a felling ticket!
  21. Diverter
    Diverter 19 December 2020 20: 40
    +3
    I liked the article very much! Thank you!
  22. Sasha from Uralmash
    Sasha from Uralmash 22 December 2020 18: 30
    +5
    I read it with pleasure.
  23. Costas-63
    Costas-63 19 January 2021 15: 41
    0
    Quote: Sea Cat
    The device of the MP38 fuse caused a lot of criticism. In this regard, a new fuse was introduced on the MP40, which was located on the right side of the submachine gun and fixed the bolt in the forward position.

    Well, where is the "new fuse ... on the right side"? ...

    It is confused with the left side.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 January 2021 19: 57
      0
      The author was simply mistaken, as he himself said.
  24. Costas-63
    Costas-63 19 January 2021 16: 49
    0
    Quote: AlexFly
    You understand this is a question of the interlocutor's incompetence, the PPSh cannot be worse than the MP40 in accuracy, it simply cannot !! The TT cartridge is obviously stronger and the trajectory is flatter than that of the Luger ...

    Have you at least looked at any docks and reports?
    1. It depends on which cartridge to shoot from MP.40. With the 08 cartridge, the PPSh has an advantage in bullet energy only up to 90 m, further up to 200 m 08 is stronger; with 08m.E. after 100 m, the energy data is equivalent, while the 08m.E. bullet, which has a steel core, provides better penetrating action, and a more flat trajectory due to its shape.
    2. If we take R100 as the criterion of accuracy (the radius of the circle containing 100% of hits), then MP.40 covers the PPSh with single fire at 100 and 200 m: 18 and 45 cm versus 26 and 56 cm for the PPSh.
    If in short (4-5) bursts of 50 and 100 m, then according to R100 they are practically equivalent: 18,5 and 47 cm versus 18,0 and 49 cm for PPSh.
    3. If we take R50 as the criterion of accuracy (the radius of a circle containing 50% of hits), then both samples show practically the same characteristics, not exceeding 1-3 cm.
    Conclusion: ballistic characteristics of submachine guns are close and in many respects equal. The MP.40 has a slight advantage in accuracy when firing single fire at 100 and 200 m, which is most likely due to the quality of the cartridges (and I don’t need to tell me that the MP does not have single fire - whoever shot, he knows!);)
  25. Alexander Voronin_2
    Alexander Voronin_2 15 February 2021 16: 57
    0
    The article is a very good pretty complete overview of this type of small arms. Well, I also had to say that for some reason the "filmmakers", the same "fell in love" with the MP38-40, they all the German soldiers went with this weapon and "watered" from the hip to the right and to the left. Well this is such a small remark. Well, in general, on the "hunt" very rarely come across MPs, unlike carbines.
  26. Oleg Shlyapin
    Oleg Shlyapin 19 February 2021 11: 06
    0
    Good article
  27. Siberian54
    Siberian54 11 March 2021 10: 06
    0
    For the use of captured weapons in linear units in 1941, it was possible to fly to the rank and file or on trial (for advertising the enemy's weapons, in modern terms), trophy weapons were collected by special officers (watch the movie: The Living and the Dead). ...
  28. Gunfighter95
    Gunfighter95 9 May 2021 23: 22
    0
    In 1935, an improved modification of the MP35 appeared, which was adopted by the Wehrmacht in 1939 ... The MP35 was supplied to the German armed forces from 1940 to 1944.


    The production of the Bergmann MP.35 / I submachine guns under the contract was first located at the Schaltcher plant (from 1935 to 1940). The main supplies were carried out abroad, including to Ethiopia and Sweden. In 1940, due to the heavy workload of the Walter factories, the contract for the production of MP35 / 1 Bergmann (it was under this index that it was adopted by the police and the Waffen SS) was transferred to Junker & Ruh, which until 1945 produced about 40 Bergman submachine guns, which entered service with the German police and, mainly, the SS troops (Schaffen SS). The MP.000 / I was not in service with the Wehrmacht.

    A distinctive feature of the weapon is the cocking handle, which is located in the rear end of the bolt carrier and resembles a rifle bolt. When firing, the bolt handle remains stationary. A partial pull on the trigger gave a single shot, and a full pull - automatic fire. Sights are designed for a range of 100 to 500 meters


    The cocking handle, probably, still resembles a rifle bolt handle, and not the rifle bolt itself ... But setting the MR.35 / And bolt to a combat platoon and feeding a cartridge from the magazine to the chamber is really "rifle-like". That is, the supply of the first cartridge from the magazine occurred only due to the muscular strength of the shooter, as in a conventional "bolt" magazine rifle. To do this, the handle had to be turned up 90 degrees, pulled back, then returned forward (sending the cartridge into the chamber), and turned back to a horizontal position, similar to when cocking the bolt, for example, a Mauser rifle. And the supply of subsequent cartridges from the store to the chamber during firing occurs due to the force of the return spring of the bolt.

    The bolt is pulled completely back to feed the cartridge and set the bolt to the combat platoon

    Double (!!!) trigger with a choice of fire mode.
    The choice of fire modes was carried out by pressing either the front trigger in its upper part - single shots, or on both triggers (by pressing the lower part of the front trigger - automatic fire). A similar solution is used in MG-34.
    In some sources (and the author, apparently, used one of them), it is argued that the choice of fire modes was carried out allegedly by the degree of pressing the trigger - a single fire is fired with a short press, and automatic fire is fully pressed. But this is not true. Which again suggests that people who did not see this sample with their own eyes wrote. Or (here it is, the curse of the Internet!) Thoughtlessly copying the text, recklessly trusting unverified sources ...

    Single fire


    Double trigger


    Automatic fire

    The sight is designed for a distance of 1000 meters with
    broken down in divisions of 100 meters, which was in the style of that time. In support of this, I present a photo of the MR.35 / 1 sight.


    In addition to the above, it can be added that the barrel was removable, equipped with a two-slot compensator on the muzzle, which quite effectively prevented the weapon from being thrown when firing and had a positive effect on the shooting accuracy.
    1. Gunfighter95
      Gunfighter95 9 May 2021 23: 45
      0
      Didn't have time to edit. The first phrase should be read:
      The production of the Bergmann MP.35 / I submachine guns under the contract was first located at the Walther plant (from 1935 to 1940). The main supplies were carried out abroad, including to Ethiopia and Sweden. In 1940, due to the heavy workload of the Walter factories, the contract for the production of the MP35 / 1 Bergmann (it was under this index that it was adopted by the police and the Waffen SS) was transferred to Junker & Ruh, which until 1945 produced about 40 Bergman submachine guns, which entered service with the German police and, mainly, the SS troops (Waffen SS). In service with the Wehrmacht MP.000 / 35 was not included
  29. Gunfighter95
    Gunfighter95 10 May 2021 00: 04
    0
    With all due respect to the author, not everything is in order with the technical terminology in the article. If the article is written not for Murzilka or VOGUE, but for a serious specialized resource, then, in my opinion, it would be worth adhering to the generally accepted special terminology.

    The MP38 submachine gun had a revolutionary design for the late 1930s. When firing, the weapon was held by the magazine slot


    Probably, after all, for the receiver of the store, and not for the nest.

    Externally, the MP40 differed from the MP38 in a smooth (without ribs) top of the case and a different magazine mount


    Top of the case? Actually, this part has a very specific name - the bolt box. And she had no stiffening edges in the MP38. On the contrary, to facilitate the outside of the thick-walled round bolt box, longitudinal grooves were milled, and, over the entire surface, not only from the top. The MP40 bolt box was stamped from thinner steel and had 4 wide ribs. They ensured the rigidity of the bolt box and, at the same time, reduced the friction of the bolt when moving inside it.







    The fastening of the magazine in the MP40 was completely identical, which is understandable - the stores in both PPs were used the same.
    The receiver itself - yes, it was different both externally and technologically. For MP38, it was made by casting with subsequent machining. Therefore, again for ease, a rather large hole was made in both side walls. For the MP40, the magazine receiver was stamped and then spot welded. At the same time, the method of attaching it to the bolt box on the studs was identical for both PPs.

    Regardless of the author of this publication, many thanks to him for the interesting voluminous material and fascinating style of presentation:
    Unfortunately, in the overwhelming majority of cases, people who have not seen it with their own eyes and did not hold it in their hands write about weapons, and not only about them. At the same time, half of them write about the subject, relying at least on some general concepts, NSD, user manual, manufacturer's advertising booklets and books published before 91 of the last century, etc. And the second half simply mindlessly copies individual pieces of the text of the first half, diluting it with their maxims. And in this mess, sometimes it becomes simply impossible to find a grain of truth. Especially many Internet resources suffer from this. Finding a trusted source containing accurate and truthful information is very problematic. Even a popular and well-known Internet resource does not always post reliable information, and may let you down.

    An interesting article, I read it with pleasure. Thanks again to the author and the wish to always be able to hold in your hands what you are writing about. And if you also shoot ...