In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

December 12 2020

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In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

The assembly of the latest Russian fifth generation fighter, the Su-57, uses American technology. Writes about this American edition of Defense Blog.

According to the publication, Microsoft HoloLens glasses are used in the assembly process of the Russian fighter. This conclusion was reached by the experts of the publication, who studied the video of using augmented reality technology when assembling the Su-57 in the workshop of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yuri Gagarin (KnAAZ). The publication notes that in the scenario, augmented reality works with the use of QR codes that are attached to the main units of the Su-57, then they are scanned by technical specialists.

In a short video released, the company's engineers wear special devices on their heads that look like Microsoft HoloLens

- Writes Defense Blog.

The publication reports that the HoloLens headset provides guidance of holographic overlays on fuselage and landing gear components.

According to another American The Drive, for the first time such "augmented reality" technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars. A similar method is also used in the production of the American fifth generation F-35 fighter.

Earlier, videos of the application of the new technology during the assembly of the Su-57 at KnAAZ appeared on the Web. It was explained that the video was filmed on March 24 of this year, but only got on the Web in December.

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Smirnoff 12 December 2020 16: 04
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The assembly of the newest Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57 uses American technology

So what? It also has round wheels.
1. SRC P-15 12 December 2020 16: 08
  
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  In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57
  
  Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?
  1. Mountain shooter 12 December 2020 16: 14
    
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    Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?
    
    And even if only with bast shoes.
    You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...
    1. Starover_Z 12 December 2020 16: 22
      
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      And even if only with bast shoes.
      You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...
      
      They will be offended, they will rush to write out the next sanctions, and here's another - the "curve" Windu will slip in order to make mistakes and get a locomotive.
      Indeed, it is NECESSARY to switch to such responsible enterprises on their computers, on Elbrus, on their OS!
      1. Rusticolus 12 December 2020 17: 15
        
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        Yes, Windows is where it can be crooked than it already is.
      2. Berkut752 12 December 2020 22: 57
        
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        Starover_Z (Yuri
        ) I'm sorry to upset you, but then you get a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
        And if they switch to "" Elbrus, on their OS "" then get AK - 12 ..........
        
        poquello 12 December 2020 23: 53
        
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        Starover_Z (Yuri
        ) I'm sorry to upset you, but then you get a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
        And if they switch to "" Elbrus, on their OS "" then get AK - 12 ..........
        
        with what fright do you pass off your own blinders as an authoritative opinion? Elbrus work on our aircraft
      3. vfwfr 12 December 2020 22: 59
        
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        This is not a frail loot and the main thing is TIME. which does not exist, for stable work ... For bureaucratic PR, only money is enough ...
      4. KCA 13 December 2020 11: 11
        
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        But the United States can impose sanctions against SMTC and there will be no Elbrus in Russia at all, as an option to agree on their production in China, but will the Chinese agree to this?
        
        Salty 13 December 2020 11: 29
        
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        Only the US can impose sanctions against SMTC ...
        
        1. TSMC, probably?
        2. Exactly, they can. They can also impose sanctions on Boeing and NASA. With about the same success
        
        KCA 13 December 2020 11: 53
        
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        They bent Huawei not weak financially, and the daughter of the company's president was also arrested
        
        Salty 13 December 2020 11: 56
        
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        Huawei ...
        
        It's still not TSMC even once. I repeat - the sanctions against TSMC for the States are like sanctions against their own water supply system for you, for example.
        
        Therefore, by the way, no one will ever turn off the RF SWIFT, will not expel the RF from the UN Security Council and will not deprive the right of veto there. For fraught
        
        KCA 13 December 2020 12: 20
        
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        With the swift it is clear, there is no point anymore, the first threat of a shutdown was enough for Russia and China to create their own interbank transfer systems, but abroad they would have to carry cash, with TSMC, too, the matter in finances rests on, if you press them, Apple will die
        
        Salty 13 December 2020 12: 46
        
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        It's clear with swift ... with TSMC too ...
        
        ... amen
        
        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 01
        
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        Huawei ...
        
        It's still not TSMC even once. I repeat - the sanctions against TSMC for the States are like sanctions against their own water supply system for you, for example.
        
        Therefore, by the way, no one will ever turn off the RF SWIFT, will not expel the RF from the UN Security Council and will not deprive the right of veto there. For fraught
        
        Sanctions are imposed not against the TCM, but against those to whom they make products. Accordingly, they stopped making chips for the huvei. An order will be received, they will stop making elbrus
        
        Salty 14 December 2020 10: 04
        
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        It sounds, in general, reasonable, but this one raises doubts:
        
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        they stopped making huavea chips
        
        Will you pamper with a reference?
        
        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 31
        
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        It sounds, in general, reasonable, but this one raises doubts:
        
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        they stopped making huavea chips
        
        Will you pamper with a reference?
        
        Has Google already been disabled?
        
        Salty 14 December 2020 10: 37
        
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        Has Google already been disabled?
        
        And you shouldn't be rude ... you said - you should confirm it, dear.
        
        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 58
        
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        Has Google already been disabled?
        
        And you shouldn't be rude ... you said - you should confirm it, dear.
        
        Actually, rudeness is a little different. Especially for you, I'll come home and stick it in, it's difficult from the phone
        
        Salty 14 December 2020 11: 01
        
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        I'll come home especially for you and stick
        
        Thanks, I'll wait.
        
        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 15: 46
        
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        I'll come home especially for you and stick
        
        Thanks, I'll wait.
        
        https://tjournal.ru/tech/170253-smi-tayvanskiy-proizvoditel-poluprovodnikov-tsmc-perestal-rabotat-s-huawei-posle-uzhestocheniya-blokady-so-storony-ssha
        
        https://www.notebookcheck-ru.com/Huawei-vnov-smozhet-zakazyvat-processory-u-TSMC-no-est-podvokh.497752.0.html
        
        https://www.vesti.ru/finance/article/2410835
        
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        Thank you, I didn’t.
EvilLion 14 December 2020 08: 34
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They have been introducing and introducing everything for over 6 years. Sacks. But for some reason they still haven’t come up with the idea of taking and immediately hacking the evil Russians to their backward PAK FA. Apparently Zadornov is right, and they cannot figure it out.

EvilLion 14 December 2020 08: 32

And with Windows everything is serious, MS is obliged to provide the source code. This is a question that has been resolved for a long time.

KCA 14 December 2020 09: 04
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Can you imagine how many millions of lines are in the source codes of the vindovz? It's about 10 years to understand a whole research institute, and it's just unrealistic to find bookmarks there.
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  I imagine, that's why documentation is done for the code.
  1. KCA 14 December 2020 14: 21
    
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    Sorry, what kind of documentation? I was a little programmer as a child, I got an A from one of the creators of the FORTRAN language, take out this millions of lines of code, documentation? The MS book, certified service engineer, take out 95, that's more than a thousand A4 pages with a font size 10 was, now, I suppose, a couple of kilograms more, what do you understand there? Well, in 3 years, when the new version of the regulations is released and we need to study a new book

SovAr238A 12 December 2020 18: 15

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Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

And even if only with bast shoes.

You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

They can "stop" the software at once and all augmented reality will end ...

bk316 12 December 2020 23: 43
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They can "stop" the software at once and all augmented reality will end ...

Well, let's stop ME at least at once the browser , because it interacts with the Internet, unlike the software in question.
1. SovAr238A 13 December 2020 11: 18
  
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  They can "stop" the software at once and all augmented reality will end ...
  
  Well, let's stop ME at least at once the browser , because it interacts with the Internet, unlike the software in question.
  
  Well, they will reset the list of DNS servers to you (which they deem necessary) - and your chains of movement across IPs will stop ...
  
  This is, if it is too simplistic.
  1. KCA 13 December 2020 13: 22
    
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    For the main sites that you use, you can write down the IP address, not the name, and the hosts folder from the vindovz, it seems, has not been removed, but if it is completely simplified, will Google's DNS also reset 8.8.8.8?
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    Well, they will reset the list of DNS servers to you (which they deem necessary) - and your chains of movement across IPs will stop ...
    
    If you are talking about AviaKB, then they do not have such a problem at all, because they have their own network - their own DNS.
    
    Now about me, let's reset my DNS list to zero. Or at least tell us how someone can do it. Or do you think that my DHCP is not my own? Or are you just writing about something you don't understand at all? Let's entertain the people It can be not completely simplified, it can even be COMPLETELY NOT SIMPLIFIED
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child, you wrote such nonsense that you want to call the orderly

Simargl 12 December 2020 19: 11

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You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

At the next update of the MS? Easy!

poquello 13 December 2020 00: 08
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At the next update of the MS? Easy!

Valve, one of the developers of the HTC Vive virtual reality helmet, has published SteamVR for Linux systems, according to the official Steam website.
1. Simargl 13 December 2020 07: 36
  
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  Valve, one of the developers of the HTC Vive virtual reality helmet, has published SteamVR for Linux systems, according to the official Steam website
  Let me see ... is Valve not an American company?
  Besides, when was this normal CAD system ported to Linux?
  As far as sclerosis changes me, since 2010 there have been attempts to open the source code of the MS, and after failure - to impose Linux wherever possible. But something went wrong and where I know the attempts have failed (education, medicine).
  And MS and processors not of our production are potential software and hardware tabs.
  1. poquello 13 December 2020 21: 22
    
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    when was this normal CAD system ported to Linux?
    
    the normal ones were always ported)))))), it remains to clarify which "normal" ones, did the MS make normal CAD systems? more specifically
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    Let me see..
    
    It hurts you
    Xiaomi, Shinekon, Lenovo, Vr Kaz, Fit vr
    1. Simargl 13 December 2020 21: 27
      
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      the normal ones always ported
      Name at least one. Even drawing is not advanced.
      Quote: poquello
      MS did normal CAD systems? more specifically
      Are you trying to chat? Under the MC, not the MC.
      Quote: poquello
      It hurts you
      Maybe. But the production (production owner) of those glasses is the USA.
      1. poquello 13 December 2020 21: 39
        
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        Name at least one. Even drawing is not advanced.
        
        didn't get the joke about "normal"? in pixel hymp not worse than photoshop
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        Are you trying to chat? Under the MC, not the MC.
        
        then that under the MS you can stupidly start up under the vine)
        Quote: Simargl
        Maybe. But the production (production owner) of those glasses is the USA.
        
        and why did these glasses ask themselves? ))))))))))))))
        
        Simargl 14 December 2020 18: 56
        
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        in pixel hymp not worse than photoshop
        Professionals won't appreciate jokes.
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        what can be stupidly allowed under the MS under the vine
        Vine is not a panacea. Try AutoCAD to run. T-Flex starts, but ...
        Quote: poquello
        and why did these glasses ask themselves?
        You don't need them, obviously. But the aircraft manufacturers chose them for some reason.
        
        poquello 14 December 2020 21: 44
        
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        in pixel hymp not worse than photoshop
        Professionals won't appreciate jokes.
        
        and this is just not a joke, is there anything to say besides "blabblah"?
        Quote: Simargl
        Vine is not a panacea. Try AutoCAD to run.
        
        Linux has varicad, draftzeut and brikskad
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        You don't need them, obviously. But the aircraft manufacturers chose them for some reason.
        
        which were the first, such were bought)))))))))))))))))))),
        
        Simargl 15 December 2020 04: 37
        
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        and this is just not a joke
        This is just a joke.
        Quote: poquello
        Linux has varicad, draftzeut and brikskad
        Let's do this ... I'm now writing from under Linux. And so for 13 years. I understand a little what I'm talking about.
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        what were the first, they bought
        That's how! Why don't they?
        
        poquello 15 December 2020 15: 10
        
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        Let's do this ... I'm now writing from under Linux. And so for 13 years. I understand a little what I'm talking about.
        
        ))))))))))) but didn’t try to work under it along the way, I understand what I’m talking about
        Quote: Simargl
        That's how! Why don't they?
        
        why would anyone bother with some bourgeois articles, etc.?, well, there will be problems - they will change the drivers, connect the Chinese glasses, although why they were generally recognized as hololins, maybe they are not there
        
        Simargl 15 December 2020 18: 44
        
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        but did not try to work under it along the way
        Maybe. Almost everything I need I found in alternative option. However, if the employer / client is accustomed to working with the same AutoCAD (as an example), then at least tear the British flag, but the correct DWG cannot be collected. Yes, MSOoffice can be replaced, but as soon as more or less tricky formatting begins, that's it! The war of formats and concepts.
        Quote: poquello
        well, there will be problems - they will change the drivers, connect the Chinese glasses,
        Do you think this augmented reality is just glasses and firewood for them? No. This is just an interface.
        
        poquello 15 December 2020 19: 38
        
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        if the employer / client is used to working with the same AutoCAD (as an example), then at least break the British flag, but the correct DWG cannot be collected.
        
        Did you try to do this not by accident?
        Quote: Simargl
        Yes, MSOoffice can be replaced, but as soon as more or less tricky formatting begins, that's it! The war of formats and concepts.
        
        and what did they want)))))))))), OO and LO are collected in open libraries, with documents of third-party organizations, the format war has not begun yet?
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        Do you think this augmented reality is just glasses and firewood for them? No. This is just an interface.
        
        eco fantasy that started you, domestic IT companies work such programs that the bourgeoisie never dreamed of
        
        Lex_is 15 December 2020 19: 54
        
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        domestic IT companies work with such programs
        
        For example, what?
        PLM is engaged in:
        • CSoft;
        • ASCON;
        • Intermech;
        • "Lotsiya Soft";
        • Research Center of CALS-technologies "Applied Logistics";
        • "Top Systems".
        
        Which one of them programs that the bourgeoisie never dreamed of?
        
        poquello 16 December 2020 02: 46
        
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        PLM is engaged in
        
        is it a miracle of enterprise CRM for managers? - not interested, they are developing neurocontrol, dual robotic vision, face recognition
        
        Lex_is 16 December 2020 06: 58
        
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        No . This is a collection of information systems that solves the problems of generating engineering data (using CAD / CAM / CAE / CAPP tools) about a product and the problem of managing information about a product.
        
        The main product for the machine / ship / aircraft industry, without which modern production is impossible.
        Yes, and heavy CAD systems for aircraft and shipbuilding, we do not have more than one, only medium-sized 3D CAD Compass and T-FLEX and 2D NanoCAD.
        
        And face recognition - yes, ours are quite at the level of doing.
      2. Simargl 15 December 2020 19: 55
        
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        Did you try to do this not by accident?
        I don't use it for myself. But for work, the other does not work. So Linuh is not an assistant.
        
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        Has the format war started with third-party documents yet?
        Well, try to give a document with complex formatting in ODF to a government organization. Or some university.
        
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        domestic IT companies work such programs that the bourgeoisie never dreamed of
        No matter what they do, there is no domestic operating system, no glasses. You can say whatever you want to say about what can be done, but so far it is not - it takes a lot of time and money to make your fantasy and wishful thinking take place.
        In the meantime ...
        soup with cat
        www.cnews.ru/news/top/2020-05-26_v_reestre_otechestvennogo
      3. poquello 16 December 2020 02: 55
        
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        I don't use it for myself. But for work, the other does not work.
        
        have not read, but condemn?
        Quote: Simargl
        Well try a document with complex formatting in ODF
        
        ODF is needed when scripts are used, and then they need to be written in the OO library, otherwise the LO stores everything perfectly in Excel's excellence, if it's about calc
        Quote: Simargl
        No matter what they do, there is no domestic operating system, no glasses.
        
        everything is clear, the helmet for 57 works on Windows)))))))))))))))))))))))))
      4. Simargl 16 December 2020 04: 51
        
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        have not read, but condemn?
        You don't even know the history and meaning of this phrase, as I understand it. And your understanding of the text is so-so: I do not use these products for myself, because not necessary, but necessary for work.
        
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        otherwise, LO keeps everything perfectly in Excel Excels
        Doesn't save. You just don't work with large formatted texts. You write the WRC - this is how those dances with tambourines happen. Especially if it is something related to formulas and drawings.
        
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        everything is clear, the helmet for 57 works on Windows
        Everything is clear: we were talking about production, and then suddenly the helmet of the plane itself surfaced.
      5. poquello 16 December 2020 12: 55
        
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        Everything is clear: we were talking about production, and then suddenly the helmet of the plane itself surfaced.
        
        we talked about augmented reality, or rather, you talked about it as a bourgeois miracle beyond our control
      6. Simargl 16 December 2020 18: 40
        
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        we talked about augmented reality, or rather, you talked about it as a bourgeois miracle beyond our control
        Actually, not about this, but about a specific final product. Well, tell us how we are with import substitution? And to develop a complex of augmented reality, and then dock with the entire engineer of the design, production and assembly - this is not a libel for you.

bk316 14 December 2020 17: 23

processors not of our production - these are potential software and hardware bugs

Can you substantiate it, prove it, or just repeat it like a parrot?

KCA 13 December 2020 11: 15

And if I have 7 and the update service is always turned off? I installed only 2 updates with the pens and the computer functions normally, I have not seen BSOD in 2 years, I generally hate if the computer does something itself without asking me

Simargl 13 December 2020 14: 49
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And if I have 7 and the update service is always turned off?
Software and hardware tabs imply complete transparency for the user. Those. There is at least some kind of chain to the beneficiary through the equipment of the beneficiary - external management can be carried out.
Let's say you have an AMD processor, Cisco network equipment, an operator - the same ... so even traffic will not be counted there (if necessary).
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  A supercomputer can be bookmarked, one-time, or several times, who will do the user's computers? Asustek? Gigabit? The logistics of supplying computer equipment is such that even in Zimbabwe there may be a supplier, I know who will be in the millions of processors, bookmark the motherboard? In Taiwan, it makes no sense to bother with this, insert a beetle into Tsisku? Providers will not, if there is a leak from Tsiski, no one will simply work with them, serious people work in reputable organizations, with serious equipment, a little with such a sign, a network in which there were more than 91 computers in 6000 years, the fools could not serve
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    who will bookmark the motherboard in millions of processors?
    How it works, as I understand it, do not you understand?
    Hardware tab, if any, is present throughout the series. It is activated either programmatically (say, it catches the code of a certain sequence), or before delivery, "mechanically" (for example, on the processor board the resistor is not 1k, but 10k).
    Quote: KCA
    if there is a leak from Tsiska, no one will work with them
    And who will know about this if the leak is not detected by documented means?
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      Do you think that some stupid people work for the Provo? Nobody can track left traffic? you can pour the left software with ambushes into the router, but it's all monitored, not wrong, so the FSB, I have had a D-link router for 4 years as Zuhel, and it's okay, I write through it,
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        Nobody can track left traffic?
        If it is generated by a special piece of code and / or hardware, then no. The easiest way to do this is when the equipment is "turnkey" from one supplier. And if the packages are encrypted, you can add anything there.
        There was a fuss about this about 10-12 years ago, but it died down and was forgotten.
        The MC did not provide the source code, but they could not trample it from the public sector.
        so, for seed
        s3r.ru/2015/02/standarty/obzor-programmno-apparatnyih-zakladok-i-implantov-na-stranitsah-zhurnala-voprosyi-kiberbezopasnosti/
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  Software and hardware tabs mean complete transparency for the user.
  
  an evening of humor?
  you can read how bookmarks work
  https://poquello.ru/linuxredfedora/spectre-and-meltdown/
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    an evening of humor?
    
    No colleague, this is an evening of gibberish.
    Do you know what annoys me in the big dump?
    A huge number of characters live in it, it is important to write on any topic not a bit in these topics without understanding. And that's how they balabolit and balabolit. And when you catch them by the hand, they are not at all embarrassed ...
    1. poquello 14 December 2020 21: 56
      
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      No colleague, this is an evening of gibberish.
      Do you know what annoys me in the big dump?
      
      well, who's like, it's cool for me
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  you have an AMD processor, Cisco network equipment,
  
  Already asked before how this might work.
  Just at the level of concepts, what is a bookmark in the processor, how it works, how it can transmit something to the router. Once again I repeat, you can simply do it difficult, at least somehow only WITHOUT BALANCES.
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The Microsoft license agreement states that it will interfere with the operation of the system. Including block updates because they can sue. It is clear that you, as an individual, from the bell tower, but unfortunately not everyone can.
I just read the Google agreements, so this is generally a song.
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  Something I have not seen in the seven (about updates), and I'm even sure that there is no such thing. Are you lying?

Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 05

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Quote: Mountain Shooter

You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

At the next update of the MS? Easy!

Is it difficult to disconnect computers from the Internet? In serious industries, the network is generally isolated

AML 14 December 2020 10: 33
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Some gourmet looms require an internet connection. Officially, they control the operating modes. Disconnected from the tyrnet, for more than the stipulated period, lost the warranty. Well, the loss of warranty miraculously deactivates the machine. So you think about isolating the network 100 times or not.
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  What does the Internet and Windows update have to do with it? Don't know how to turn off direct automatic updates?
  I'm just fucking crazy about lamers who have come running but you haven't heard anything about WSUS?
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iouris 13 December 2020 10: 32

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You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

They will be able if the aircraft are designed using hardware and software systems developed by US firms, if critical components are purchased abroad.
For example, has "SP-2" been banned or will not be able to ban?

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Who cares about where the CAD systems were developed? At the request of Autodesk, the FSB will break into Irkut and confiscate all computers? I personally sold pirated AutoCAD, along with libraries, the price of many hundreds of thousands of dollars, on which elements of the LHC and other details for CERN were designed and the legality of the software did not bother anyone
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  Well, except for the RF.
  If now Autodesk files a lawsuit against Irkut, then at least the prosecutor's office should come to them, and this will at least slow down your MC21, since these are fines + representation to the director, reprimand to whom the thread
  If Siemens comes to Kraz, then this is a check of the number of licenses -> non-compliance, buy in addition

military_cat 12 December 2020 16: 18

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In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of import substitution?

SRC P-15 12 December 2020 16: 21
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Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of import substitution?

Who are you talking about?
Personally, I am not dismissive of our technology, but of American snobbery.
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  Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.
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    Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.
    
    But this is already a question for the design department or someone else who decided to use foreign technologies at a time when sanctions are flying on any of our sneezes. In general, we need to ask the leadership of our aircraft industry about this.
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      Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.
      
      But this is already a question for the design department or someone else who decided to use foreign technologies at a time when sanctions are flying on any of our sneezes. In general, we need to ask the leadership of our aircraft industry about this.
      
      Do not whip up my friend, not everything is gone, this is the Internet and there they probe and analyze this site. Well, of course, all the directors and heads of the design bureau are wrestling with their sleeves rolled up here .. And you immediately, give us Tyapkin and Lyapkin, to put them on view.
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        Do not whip up my friend, not everything is lost, this is the Internet
        
        That's it! Here is the Internet, so: I want to dance, I want to play, I want to wrap it in a newspaper!
        In general, a visitor under the nickname wrote more like the truth below "askort154" (Alexander).
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      But this is already a question for the design department or someone else who decided to use foreign technologies at a time when sanctions are flying on any of our sneezes. In general, we need to ask the leadership of our aircraft industry about this.
      
      What should our management ask about? Why didn't we develop our own glasses together with the software for them? It's all nonsense .. Just think, what kind of glasses you bought and use.
      Technology from all over the world flocks to Lockheed. Just watch the F-35 assembly videos.
      We were cut off from all technologies for a long time and we are simply not able to "import substitution". It’s also good if China sells them to us.
      It is simply amazing that our aircraft industry produces the Su-57 under such conditions.
      https://youtu.be/MAYRqnituwc
  2. Victorio 12 December 2020 16: 34
    
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    Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when in the production of fighters electronic glasses are usedwhich American snobs have the ability to disable with the next update.
    
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    on points they are ahead, on planes another question
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    electronic glasses are used, which American snobs have the ability to disable with the next update
    Why didn't they turn it off? SsFear?
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      Somehow Gazprom was not bothered to shut down the compressor stations of the LMF.
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        What happened?
        Gazprom collapsed along with the bloody regime?
        
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        Well, what happened?
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    The article says that they are similar. So don't la-la.
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    when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs have the ability to turn off with the next update.
    
    Are these glasses really American?
    
    In a short video released, the company's engineers wear special devices on their heads, similar to Microsoft HoloLens
  6. vfwfr 12 December 2020 23: 08
    
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    Disable update, or not go online ... No update, no problem.
    Otherwise ... The one who wears them and those who allowed them .. Potential traitors / traitors to the motherland ...
    1. Simargl 13 December 2020 19: 06
      
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      Disable the update, or not go online ...
      Some equipment without "updates" starts to "dull"
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        These are just glasses - that is, optics, sensors and monitors
        There is nothing to blunt programmatically.
        
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        There is nothing to blunt programmatically.
        Of course there is nothing!
        Do you have a flat TV?
        Even if it is the first prototype, it has a processor. The processor processes microcode instructions. This means that there is something to blunt and where to make changes.
        
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        There is nothing to blunt programmatically.
        Of course there is nothing!
        Do you have a flat TV?
        Even if it is the first prototype, it has a processor. The processor processes microcode instructions. This means that there is something to blunt and where to make changes.
        
        )
        a processor, especially an early one, is a bunch of transistors that implement binary logic
        
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        a processor, especially an early one, is a bunch of transistors that implement binary logic
        A video processor, even an early one, is from 20 MHz clock frequency and the complexity is comparable to i486. This is more complicated than your conclusions.
        
        poquello 15 December 2020 19: 44
        
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        a processor, especially an early one, is a bunch of transistors that implement binary logic
        A video processor, even an early one, is from 20 MHz clock frequency and the complexity is comparable to i486. This is more complicated than your conclusions.
        
        So the frequency of this baida on zhps from God takes or is it quartz on transistors? )))
        
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        Or is it quartz on transistors?
        Well, if quartz on transistors is the frequency from God.
        
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        Or is it quartz on transistors?
        Well, if quartz on transistors is the frequency from God.
        
        really on microcode? ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
        
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        really on microcode?
        No. Not a single program for such a processor has been written in microcode, otherwise today it would only have reached the middle.
        
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        really on microcode?
        No. Not a single program for such a processor has been written in microcode, otherwise today it would only have reached the middle.
        
        What are you mysterious, so on what?

vfwfr 14 December 2020 22: 48

For this, and the calculation ... To update ... On WIFI routers noticed (not always in all, but .. there are) such "stupid".

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On WIFI routers noticed
It would not be so sad, probably, if this was not the case on industrial equipment.
It happened with the UPS: we decided to make a "trick with our ears", save money and maintain it on our own, but ... we had to buy new control boards.
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    The miser pays ....... well, you know.
    This is understandable, but we are not talking about what you have to pay, but about the possibilities of influencing the equipment.

poquello 13 December 2020 00: 10

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Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.

300 they have a tractor driver)))))))))))))))))))

SovAr238A 12 December 2020 18: 16

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Quote: SRC P-15

In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of import substitution?

And what are the Russian technologies in augmented reality systems?

Captain Pushkin 12 December 2020 19: 35

Quote: military_cat

Quote: SRC P-15

In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of import substitution?

The Americans borrowed the technology from the Japanese, after which it immediately became "American"?
When Opel was owned by American GM, all patents Opel obtained were automatically owned by GM.
And the Germans paid the Americans to use their developments!

vfwfr 12 December 2020 23: 05

"" and the idea of import substitution? "" Answer: As everything went from China, and so it goes .. stickers are only "their"

210ox 12 December 2020 16: 28

Yeah, all of them. And for us only a hammer and a chisel. Further along Lavrov

Thrifty 12 December 2020 17: 17

СРЦ П-15 - as you can see we really slurp cabbage soup, holographic, with the same holographic bast shoes

midivan 12 December 2020 22: 04

Quote: СРЦ П-15

Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

They didn't think at all

According to another American The Drive, for the first time such "augmented reality" technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars. Also a similar method is used in the production of an American fighter. fifth generation F-35. [b] [/ b] American technologies are used in the assembly of the latest Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57.

iouris 13 December 2020 10: 28

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are we slurping cabbage soup here?

We switched to McDonald's products a long time ago. The General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Gorby personally promoted them. McDonald's is erected on the rubble of the country.

zwlad 12 December 2020 16: 47

Yeah, and there are wings too, like f35.
And su57 also flies, too, to see the merit of the zvezdanutyh.

Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 December 2020 17: 55
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avg 12 December 2020 16: 50

And also American toilet paper was found on these Russians, but for some reason traditional plywood and canvas were not noticed.

Piramidon 12 December 2020 17: 36

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The assembly of the newest Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57 uses American technology

So what? It also has round wheels.

Glory to our scouts!

Lipchanin 12 December 2020 17: 41
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Glory to our scouts!

Aha. How is it ... In a large family, chewing does not click
Reviews 12 December 2020 17: 41
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https://market.yandex.ru/product--smart-ochki-microsoft-hololens/14191916?clid=603&utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=gm_xml_dep_jelektronika_cat_ochki_virtualnoj_realnosti_offer_search_rus|10972670&utm_content=cid:10610308016|gid:110588122011|aid:454707178472|ph:kwd-300414580965|pt:|pn:|src:|st:g&utm_term=10972670|14191916&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8dH-BRD_ARIsAC24umZT6R25wAHFGVblLPhS21McVUN_OPahl0VnBFho42jPgenmlcUXziIaAibJEALw_wcB
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  there is a vague suspicion that the "cross" screwdrivers are Chinese ... but this is not certain.
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    there is a vague suspicion that the "cross" screwdrivers are Chinese ... but this is not certain.
    
    What if Torq-Set? :)

Simfy 12 December 2020 22: 35

and the program cannot merge "everything that it saw" to the owners ??? ... and "And" effective "managers" for the sake of the video could not even think about it (((

Hedges666 14 December 2020 22: 09

Quote: Smirnoff

It also has round wheels.

Well, on ... And, if instead of a wheel they spiked the ski, then the Norwegians would get out, and this is much worse)

Evil Booth 18 December 2020 11: 54

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Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 16: 05

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Well, that's it ... new sanctions will come to someone.

We'll have to invent our own video glasses.
More life-giving sanctions and restrictions ... we will buy what the Chinese will lack.

210ox 12 December 2020 16: 33
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  A lot ... there was no need to destroy your industry in the 90s. Now attempts to use imported technologies always lead to political dependence on the supplier countries ... they always start to make some demands on human rights.
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    How much did you get?
    
    Remember the story with the Simensk gas generators from Germany .. we bought it but we cannot use them ... the sanctions because of the Crimea ... Some kind of nonsense.
    So if you buy foreign technology, then only from reliable suppliers ... who will not throw and impose sanctions.
    1. Rusland 12 December 2020 17: 22
      
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      How much did you get?
      
      Remember the story with the Simensk gas generators from Germany .. we bought it but we cannot use them ... the sanctions because of the Crimea ... Some kind of nonsense.
      So if you buy foreign technology, then only from reliable suppliers ... who will not throw and impose sanctions.
      
      In this situation, the naive message, where and what is the reliability, my friend, who from your list of reliable ones can you name? Please agree on this with the Americans.
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      You yourself need to do as much as possible.
      How did the scandal end for Siemens? We separated the entire power engineering industry into a separate company, in which Siemens AG is a non-majority shareholder, which again climbed into Russia. We are too large a market for large gas turbines for them to lose.
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        At first, we were working out (Germany), but as we realized that we could build not big turbines ourselves and not far off for large turbines ... Then they came running and they say we will share the technology, take the current into the market share .. PS "" We the market for big gas turbines is too big for them to lose. "" That's the whole story .. Nothing personal, just business.
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      Now, remember how this story ended - the development of a domestic analogue of the Simensk turbine!
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      How much did you get?
      
      Remember the story with the Simensk gas generators from Germany .. we bought it but we cannot use them ... the sanctions because of the Crimea ... Some kind of nonsense.
      So if you buy foreign technology, then only from reliable suppliers ... who will not throw and impose sanctions.
      
      Who is reliable suppliers? High-power gas turbines are made by only 4-5 companies in the world
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    According to the publication, Microsoft HoloLens glasses are used in the assembly process of the Russian fighter. This conclusion was reached by the experts of the publication, who studied the video of the use of augmented reality technology when assembling the Su-57 in the shop of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yuri Gagarin (KnAAZ).
    
    Now the White House is simply obliged without fail (!) introduce sanctions against Microsoft!
    
    Punish the micro-soft!
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We'll have to invent our own video glasses.
More life-giving sanctions and restrictions ... we will buy what the Chinese will lack.

And the Japanese would have to impose sanctions on the states, because
According to another American The Drive, for the first time such "augmented reality" technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars.
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Severok 12 December 2020 16: 07

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Nothing that the Yankees use in the arrogant Soviet and Russian inventions and developments? It is a pity that the country's authorities do not bother in this matter, otherwise it would be possible to sue them.

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otherwise it would be possible to sue them.

It is possible in the Stockholm court, it is possible in the Netherlands, it is possible in London ... and in many other places.
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  Well, they sometimes cheat with evidence.
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  otherwise it would be possible to sue them.
  
  It is possible in the Stockholm court, it is possible in the Netherlands, it is possible in London ... and in many other places.
  
  gee gee, Trump has already sued
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Nothing that the Yankees use in the arrogant Soviet and Russian inventions and developments? It is a pity that the country's authorities do not bother in this matter, otherwise it would be possible to sue them.

No problem. Submit an international patent for an invention and win the court

Pessimist22 12 December 2020 16: 07

Everything is on Aliexpress.

Mouse 12 December 2020 16: 13

This conclusion was reached by the experts of the publication who studied the video of the use of technology

Have you studied the video and identified it by eye? And they made an expert opinion .... specialists! What to say....

A good one 12 December 2020 16: 29
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    They want to know, they want to know ... but curious Barbara in the bazaar ...
    
    In vain you are so, not recorded historically, that this lady's nose was torn off.

ul_vitalii 12 December 2020 16: 18

Damn, sanctions again, but because of the points already.

Proctologists of our honored sciences, it seems, will go next, they say, they look there through their monocular to a certain place.

Russ 12 December 2020 16: 19

As far as I understand, there are no questions for the Chinese?

Those are still copy-paste ...

evgen1221 12 December 2020 16: 22

Oh, and what will begin with them when they find out that half of the country is sitting on Intel's prots and Windows - eternal sanctions and a ban will probably arrange))))

Russ 12 December 2020 16: 26
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Eternal ban!
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half of the country on Intel

There is an alternative - AMD processors. The truth is also American.
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  There is an alternative - AMD processors. The truth is also American.
  
  This is not an alternative to this choice, you can freely choose, and even if they are buried but blocked (fantasy) there are Chinese Hygons, and our pack (just expensive)
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    there are Chinese Hygons
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD–Chinese_joint_venture
    The majority stake in the company belongs to AMD. They are making AMD processors of the pre-previous generation, and, at least for today, with deliberately curtailed capabilities, and with Chinese gadgets supposedly intended for tracking, for the Chinese market. Do you think that Chinese espionage is less dangerous for Russia than American espionage?
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    and our pack (just dear)
    That's when Elbrus will be equal in performance to at least the weakest Intel and AMD, then we'll talk. In the meantime ... The jokers from the Polytechnic University somehow in one of the middle (or maybe later) years of perestroika took place at a May Day demonstration with a banner on which the slogan "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world!"
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      Elbrus has a different architecture, in terms of performance in flops they are not worse than not the weakest ones)
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      "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world!"
      
      and are able to survive all sorts of cataclysms such as nuclear), once I, too, laughed at this joke, until I tasted deeper bourgeois brands, and they have no margin of safety)
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        Moreover, in general, they SPECIALLY do not have this margin of safety in order to force the buyer to update the equipment.

General failure 12 December 2020 16: 25

And the icons in the title picture have rounded corners.
Don't go to the grandmother, Apple technologies are used.

A good one 12 December 2020 16: 35
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Kerzhak 12 December 2020 16: 37

Since when did technologies stolen from Russia in the 90s become American?

Andrea 12 December 2020 16: 40

So whose technology? Japanese, American, worldwide?
Americans should generally keep quiet about technology, scientific discoveries, and so on.
They live in a foreign country, they stole.

AVA77 12 December 2020 16: 53

Mom is in our nursery group, Anya has the same ruffles on her pajamas as I have on my T-shirt

Kindergarten chamomile.

askort154 12 December 2020 17: 13

Earlier, videos of the application of the new technology during the assembly of the Su-57 at KnAAZ appeared on the Web. It was explained that the video was filmed on March 24 of this year, but only got on the Web in December.

I then, making fun - "asked the FSB in the studio."
And now I realized that this "video" is a divorce of the FSB, for those who openly declare that Russia is enemy number 1 for them. Let them believe that the Russian Su-57 is being assembled precisely according to the "digital technologies" that have their base.
Let them revel in flattery, this will diminish their desire to look into our modern "military-industrial complex" bins. And that too brazenly roamed there in the 90s.

zenion 12 December 2020 17: 16

Moreover, the country of Syria was discovered on the deposits of American oil.

Reviews 12 December 2020 17: 19

Why is everyone so horny? The tone of the article is fairly neutral. The usual technical news at the level of "put new computers in the office" or "received new data on testing."

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    Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.
    It all starts small. Give the enemy a finger - he will bite off the whole hand.
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      Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.
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      No, well, definitely a problem. He's about Thomas, he's about Yerema ... Get treatment.
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        Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.
        
        Do you offer treatment for this?
        Well, everything is clear.
        
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        Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.
        
        Do you offer treatment for this?
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        With you yes. In the word "use" you see "steal"; you lose the original thread of the conversation; you don’t remember how the conversation began. Treat yourself.
        
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        Well, that is, you do not understand anything?
        Poke your mom.
        
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        Well, that is, you do not understand anything?
        
        Move the mirror, schizoid.
        
        Poke your mom.
        
        Go ahead ...

duchy 12 December 2020 17: 22

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stuffed something in my mouth.

You? Then you'll struggle to wash the end.

Radikal 12 December 2020 18: 05

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And even if only with bast shoes.
You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

They will be offended, they will rush to write out the next sanctions, and here's another - the "curve" Windu will slip in order to make mistakes and get a locomotive.
Indeed, it is NECESSARY to switch to such responsible enterprises on their computers, on Elbrus, on their OS!

First of all, do not let the figs of various idiots with video cameras go to defense facilities and to shops. In the USSR, in general, at such sites, if anything was filmed, it was only verified persons, and they were forbidden to take off foreign equipment, since it often entered the country using the opportunities ..., in short, it was impossible to shoot and that's it. And then they start scratching their turnips - how do they all know why this or that product in the West becomes sanctioned? Managers suck ....

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That's right: there would be no video, there would be no topic for conversation. Zadolbali already - everyone is trying to post something like that - sort of, to collect more likes. Nobody is interested in what may follow this. "D.B" (FROM)

Putnik119 12 December 2020 18: 49

The most significant thing is that such nonsense is discovered not by US intelligence, but by some "journalists" - almost always anonymous, from some unknown Internet portal.

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Most revealingly, it is not US intelligence that discovers such nonsense.

They also did not find a 104-key keyboard. And a computer mouse ...

https://virtuality.club/store/shlemy_i_ochki_vr_ar_mr/ochki-smeshannoj-realnosti/microsoft-hololens-development-edition

APASUS 12 December 2020 18: 50

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Now we find out that the Russians have resisted the F-35 technology and other garbage. Tomorrow they will begin to persuade us in all the media and apply more sanctions.
Everyone is happy

voyaka uh 12 December 2020 19: 12

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All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.
And almost everything is under Windows.

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Astralinux is on the way to widespread use. And there the programs will catch up.
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All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.
And almost everything is under Windows.

So what? there is such a vine for Linux on which it works on under the view)))))))))))))
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All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.
You have already gone with your stupid conclusions! Or from a principle - even for yourself , but just to shit!
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It is nominally Western in the development of key components by Russian firms, for example in CATIA.
In addition, there are a lot of purely Russian CAD systems, such as NanoCAD, K3.
So you can pray to the West, but you cannot lie.
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    You are not telling the truth. Some of the key components of CATIA were developed by the Novosibirsk company Ledas.
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      You are very poorly versed in the topic, from this you carry garbage.
      
      LEDAS sold its geometric solvers LGS 2D and LGS 3D to CATIA and developed a number of modules for Dassault Systèmes, these are their bread, modules to develop, with which they do an excellent job.
      This does not mean that he was the developer of CATIA, but he was the developer of modules, these are completely different things.
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        LEDAS sold its geometric solvers to CATIA
        
        So there was participation? The question is closed and your lie that there were no Russian companies next to CATIA has been fixed.
        
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        For the gifted: because the KAMAZ Caterpillar engines are installed, it does not become an American company.
        
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        It doesn’t, of course ... You lied that Russian firms didn’t participate in any way, now that you have been caught in a lie, there is no need to twist and distort words.
        
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        It was not developed by Russian firms.
        
        So will we argue or will we end the senseless chatter?
        
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        Of course we'll finish.
        What's the point of talking to someone who doesn't understand the difference between the CGM solver (which LEDAS developed) and the CATIA software product that uses it?
        
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        That is, the development of the required component is not participation?
        
        Like in a pan ...
        
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        Of course not.
        As well as the fact that T-Flex was developed on the Parasolid motherboard, it did not cease to be a Russian development and did not become Korean and Samsung did not become its developer.
        
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        Each respected CAD system provides access to its interface - in the form of libraries, functions. This is done so that third-party developers can expand the capabilities or customize them for their specific tasks. Catia, Ugs,. So that's it. Your Ledas - creates application solutions based on this. Not more than. If it is successful, it can be bought and built into the system like a regular button. But it doesn't touch on the basics of CAD. And further. Comment. The Russian compass also has such an opportunity, but for some reason the ice does not seek to huddle it
        
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        Compass has its own C3D kernel, which, like LEDAS modules and solvers, is sold to Western companies. It's just that ASCON has separated its core into a separate commercial product.
        
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        Each respected CAD system provides access to its own interface - in the form of libraries, functions.
        
        Not really, access is provided through the API, that's different. And yes, modules and functions are often used by third parties, on the terms of their developer.
        
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Engineer 15 December 2020 11: 09

Unfortunately it's true
All leading companies are Sukhoi, AvtoVAZ, ISS, etc. use СAD-CAM-PDM from Western companies.
The explosion of the seats under this post does not change anything.
From the fact that SolidWorks is declared a Russian product at tenders, after all, SW Russia has translated the menu and the help does not change anything

123456789 12 December 2020 20: 30

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All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.

CAD Compass 3d

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And what was the Compass - it remained a student fake
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  What exactly can you do in Solidworks that cannot be done in Compass?
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    Not using SolidWorks.
    there is such a thing: ergonomics. This is when everything is convenient and clear.
    The compass, as it was a Zhiguli with monstrous logic and buttons, remains so.
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7,62h54 12 December 2020 20: 39

What is Microsoft ?! This is Skolkov's development. Everything is imported.

Knell wardenheart 12 December 2020 21: 15

If they want to protect intellectual property, let the sanctions be lifted. Or go to the forest.

Reserve officer 12 December 2020 21: 51

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Everything is on Aliexpress.

With instructions in Russian "How to assemble an airplane at home")))

bk316 12 December 2020 23: 39

HoloLens by Microsoft.

OH YEAH! Yes, there was also a Microsoft mouse

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This clearly says that the Russians stole a fu-35 and made a su-57.

tolmachiev51 13 December 2020 04: 25

- "the technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars." and the penguins from which side !?

denk20 13 December 2020 13: 13

They say they bought a helicopter, but no matter how they assembled it turns out to be a tractor ...

BOB044 13 December 2020 14: 27

And that he still knows how to fly and not bad. We now stop releasing it.

koshmarik 13 December 2020 15: 52

And the American media also inform their readers that if your dog has a stomach ache, then the Russians and their newcomer are to blame.

TatarinSSSR 13 December 2020 16: 18

Well, everything, we are waiting for new ones, stop the hundred million sanctions ...

Charik 13 December 2020 16: 41

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I won't even read it - I said several times that the Su57 is a claw-scratched by Anka RenTeVeshnitsa from F22 and F35

VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 13 December 2020 17: 07

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Americans have nothing of their own! All their technologies are industrial espionage and the recruitment of engineers! The United States is unable to master Soviet technologies!

Homegoblin 13 December 2020 22: 59

And yet, these metrosexuals, a Phillips screwdriver, which I used to tear off their hats as a child, are called Phillips.

HMR333 13 December 2020 23: 45

7 Fridays in the week that they write that su 57 rubbish maize is backward, then what would be refuted write that he is so good because of our technologies! Nonsense and pure fiction! And the technologies of military optics still exist from the USSR in the same ka 52 aligatop sight on visions! They have translated really experts who, without politics, could adequately make comparisons and evaluate technology adequately!

Sergey Egorov_2 14 December 2020 14: 24

And they also use screwdrivers!

Alexander Burkunov 18 December 2020 13: 00

and the US uses SOVIET technologies, let them abandon them

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https://press.lv/post/podpolkovnik-kgb-obrushil-vsyu-sovetskuyu-nauchno-tehnicheskuyu-razvedku-a-potom-po-gluposti-raskryl-sebya