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In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

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In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

The assembly of the latest Russian fifth generation fighter, the Su-57, uses American technology. Writes about this American edition of Defense Blog.


According to the publication, Microsoft HoloLens glasses are used in the assembly process of the Russian fighter. This conclusion was reached by the experts of the publication, who studied the video of using augmented reality technology when assembling the Su-57 in the workshop of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yuri Gagarin (KnAAZ). The publication notes that in the scenario, augmented reality works with the use of QR codes that are attached to the main units of the Su-57, then they are scanned by technical specialists.

In a short video released, the company's engineers wear special devices on their heads that look like Microsoft HoloLens

- Writes Defense Blog.

The publication reports that the HoloLens headset provides guidance of holographic overlays on fuselage and landing gear components.




According to another American The Drive, for the first time such "augmented reality" technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars. A similar method is also used in the production of the American fifth generation F-35 fighter.

Earlier, videos of the application of the new technology during the assembly of the Su-57 at KnAAZ appeared on the Web. It was explained that the video was filmed on March 24 of this year, but only got on the Web in December.
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  1. Smirnoff
    Smirnoff 12 December 2020 16: 04
    +75
    The assembly of the newest Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57 uses American technology

    So what? It also has round wheels.
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 12 December 2020 16: 08
      +22
      In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

      Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 12 December 2020 16: 14
        +15
        Quote: СРЦ П-15
        Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

        And even if only with bast shoes. wassat
        You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ... tongue
        1. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 12 December 2020 16: 22
          +14
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          And even if only with bast shoes.
          You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

          They will be offended, they will rush to write out the next sanctions, and here's another - the "curve" Windu will slip in order to make mistakes and get a locomotive.
          Indeed, it is NECESSARY to switch to such responsible enterprises on their computers, on Elbrus, on their OS!
          1. Rusticolus
            Rusticolus 12 December 2020 17: 15
            +20
            Yes, Windows is where it can be crooked than it already is. laughing
          2. Berkut752
            Berkut752 12 December 2020 22: 57
            -7
            Starover_Z (Yuri
            ) I'm sorry to upset you, but then you get a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
            And if they switch to "" Elbrus, on their OS "" then get AK - 12 ..........
            1. poquello
              poquello 12 December 2020 23: 53
              +1
              Quote: Berkut752
              Starover_Z (Yuri
              ) I'm sorry to upset you, but then you get a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
              And if they switch to "" Elbrus, on their OS "" then get AK - 12 ..........

              with what fright do you pass off your own blinders as an authoritative opinion? Elbrus work on our aircraft
          3. vfwfr
            vfwfr 12 December 2020 22: 59
            -2
            This is not a frail loot and the main thing is TIME. which does not exist, for stable work ... For bureaucratic PR, only money is enough ...
          4. KCA
            KCA 13 December 2020 11: 11
            -2
            But the United States can impose sanctions against SMTC and there will be no Elbrus in Russia at all, as an option to agree on their production in China, but will the Chinese agree to this?
            1. Salty
              Salty 13 December 2020 11: 29
              0
              Quote: KCA
              Only the US can impose sanctions against SMTC ...

              1. TSMC, probably?
              2. Exactly, they can. They can also impose sanctions on Boeing and NASA. With about the same success yes
              1. KCA
                KCA 13 December 2020 11: 53
                -2
                They bent Huawei not weak financially, and the daughter of the company's president was also arrested
                1. Salty
                  Salty 13 December 2020 11: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: KCA
                  Huawei ...

                  It's still not TSMC even once. I repeat - the sanctions against TSMC for the States are like sanctions against their own water supply system for you, for example.

                  Therefore, by the way, no one will ever turn off the RF SWIFT, will not expel the RF from the UN Security Council and will not deprive the right of veto there. For fraught yes
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 13 December 2020 12: 20
                    -4
                    With the swift it is clear, there is no point anymore, the first threat of a shutdown was enough for Russia and China to create their own interbank transfer systems, but abroad they would have to carry cash, with TSMC, too, the matter in finances rests on, if you press them, Apple will die
                    1. Salty
                      Salty 13 December 2020 12: 46
                      -2
                      Quote: KCA
                      It's clear with swift ... with TSMC too ...

                      ... amen yes
                  2. Pilat2009
                    Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: SaltY
                    Quote: KCA
                    Huawei ...

                    It's still not TSMC even once. I repeat - the sanctions against TSMC for the States are like sanctions against their own water supply system for you, for example.

                    Therefore, by the way, no one will ever turn off the RF SWIFT, will not expel the RF from the UN Security Council and will not deprive the right of veto there. For fraught yes

                    Sanctions are imposed not against the TCM, but against those to whom they make products. Accordingly, they stopped making chips for the huvei. An order will be received, they will stop making elbrus
                    1. Salty
                      Salty 14 December 2020 10: 04
                      0
                      It sounds, in general, reasonable, but this one raises doubts:

                      Quote: Pilat2009
                      they stopped making huavea chips

                      Will you pamper with a reference?
                      1. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 31
                        0
                        Quote: SaltY
                        It sounds, in general, reasonable, but this one raises doubts:

                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        they stopped making huavea chips

                        Will you pamper with a reference?

                        Has Google already been disabled?
                      2. Salty
                        Salty 14 December 2020 10: 37
                        -2
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        Has Google already been disabled?

                        And you shouldn't be rude ... you said - you should confirm it, dear.
                      3. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 58
                        0
                        Quote: SaltY
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        Has Google already been disabled?

                        And you shouldn't be rude ... you said - you should confirm it, dear.

                        Actually, rudeness is a little different. Especially for you, I'll come home and stick it in, it's difficult from the phone
                      4. Salty
                        Salty 14 December 2020 11: 01
                        -1
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        I'll come home especially for you and stick

                        Thanks, I'll wait.
                      5. Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009 14 December 2020 15: 46
                        +1
                        Quote: SaltY
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        I'll come home especially for you and stick

                        Thanks, I'll wait.

                        https://tjournal.ru/tech/170253-smi-tayvanskiy-proizvoditel-poluprovodnikov-tsmc-perestal-rabotat-s-huawei-posle-uzhestocheniya-blokady-so-storony-ssha

                        https://www.notebookcheck-ru.com/Huawei-vnov-smozhet-zakazyvat-processory-u-TSMC-no-est-podvokh.497752.0.html

                        https://www.vesti.ru/finance/article/2410835
                      6. Salty
                        Salty 14 December 2020 15: 54
                        -3
                        Quote: Pilat2009
                        Pilat2009

                        Thank you, I didn’t.
  2. EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 December 2020 08: 34
    +1
    They have been introducing and introducing everything for over 6 years. Sacks. But for some reason they still haven’t come up with the idea of ​​taking and immediately hacking the evil Russians to their backward PAK FA. Apparently Zadornov is right, and they cannot figure it out.
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 14 December 2020 08: 32
    0
    And with Windows everything is serious, MS is obliged to provide the source code. This is a question that has been resolved for a long time.
    1. KCA
      KCA 14 December 2020 09: 04
      0
      Can you imagine how many millions of lines are in the source codes of the vindovz? It's about 10 years to understand a whole research institute, and it's just unrealistic to find bookmarks there.
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 14 December 2020 13: 10
        0
        I imagine, that's why documentation is done for the code.
        1. KCA
          KCA 14 December 2020 14: 21
          -1
          Sorry, what kind of documentation? I was a little programmer as a child, I got an A from one of the creators of the FORTRAN language, take out this millions of lines of code, documentation? The MS book, certified service engineer, take out 95, that's more than a thousand A4 pages with a font size 10 was, now, I suppose, a couple of kilograms more, what do you understand there? Well, in 3 years, when the new version of the regulations is released and we need to study a new book
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 12 December 2020 18: 15
    -13%
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

    And even if only with bast shoes. wassat
    You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ... tongue


    They can "stop" the software at once and all augmented reality will end ...
    1. bk316
      bk316 12 December 2020 23: 43
      +8
      They can "stop" the software at once and all augmented reality will end ...

      Well, let's stop ME at least at once the browser laughing , because it interacts with the Internet, unlike the software in question.
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 13 December 2020 11: 18
        -4
        Quote: bk316
        They can "stop" the software at once and all augmented reality will end ...

        Well, let's stop ME at least at once the browser laughing , because it interacts with the Internet, unlike the software in question.


        Well, they will reset the list of DNS servers to you (which they deem necessary) - and your chains of movement across IPs will stop ...

        This is, if it is too simplistic.
        1. KCA
          KCA 13 December 2020 13: 22
          0
          For the main sites that you use, you can write down the IP address, not the name, and the hosts folder from the vindovz, it seems, has not been removed, but if it is completely simplified, will Google's DNS also reset 8.8.8.8?
        2. bk316
          bk316 14 December 2020 17: 21
          0
          Well, they will reset the list of DNS servers to you (which they deem necessary) - and your chains of movement across IPs will stop ...

          If you are talking about AviaKB, then they do not have such a problem at all, because they have their own network - their own DNS.

          Now about me, let's reset my DNS list to zero. Or at least tell us how someone can do it. Or do you think that my DHCP is not my own? Or are you just writing about something you don't understand at all? Let's entertain the people laughing It can be not completely simplified, it can even be COMPLETELY NOT SIMPLIFIED wassat
    2. Non liberoid Russian
      Non liberoid Russian 14 December 2020 03: 26
      -2
      child, you wrote such nonsense that you want to call the orderly
  • Simargl
    Simargl 12 December 2020 19: 11
    -4
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...
    At the next update of the MS? Easy!
    1. poquello
      poquello 13 December 2020 00: 08
      +1
      Quote: Simargl
      At the next update of the MS? Easy!

      Valve, one of the developers of the HTC Vive virtual reality helmet, has published SteamVR for Linux systems, according to the official Steam website.
      1. Simargl
        Simargl 13 December 2020 07: 36
        0
        Quote: poquello
        Valve, one of the developers of the HTC Vive virtual reality helmet, has published SteamVR for Linux systems, according to the official Steam website
        Let me see ... is Valve not an American company?
        Besides, when was this normal CAD system ported to Linux?
        As far as sclerosis changes me, since 2010 there have been attempts to open the source code of the MS, and after failure - to impose Linux wherever possible. But something went wrong and where I know the attempts have failed (education, medicine).
        And MS and processors not of our production are potential software and hardware tabs.
        1. poquello
          poquello 13 December 2020 21: 22
          0
          Quote: Simargl
          when was this normal CAD system ported to Linux?

          the normal ones were always ported)))))), it remains to clarify which "normal" ones, did the MS make normal CAD systems? more specifically
          Quote: Simargl
          Let me see..

          It hurts you
          Xiaomi, Shinekon, Lenovo, Vr Kaz, Fit vr
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 13 December 2020 21: 27
            -2
            Quote: poquello
            the normal ones always ported
            Name at least one. Even drawing is not advanced.
            Quote: poquello
            MS did normal CAD systems? more specifically
            Are you trying to chat? Under the MC, not the MC.
            Quote: poquello
            It hurts you
            Maybe. But the production (production owner) of those glasses is the USA.
            1. poquello
              poquello 13 December 2020 21: 39
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              Name at least one. Even drawing is not advanced.

              didn't get the joke about "normal"? in pixel hymp not worse than photoshop
              Quote: Simargl
              Are you trying to chat? Under the MC, not the MC.

              then that under the MS you can stupidly start up under the vine)
              Quote: Simargl
              Maybe. But the production (production owner) of those glasses is the USA.

              and why did these glasses ask themselves? ))))))))))))))
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 14 December 2020 18: 56
                0
                Quote: poquello
                in pixel hymp not worse than photoshop
                Professionals won't appreciate jokes.
                Quote: poquello
                what can be stupidly allowed under the MS under the vine
                Vine is not a panacea. Try AutoCAD to run. T-Flex starts, but ...
                Quote: poquello
                and why did these glasses ask themselves?
                You don't need them, obviously. But the aircraft manufacturers chose them for some reason.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 14 December 2020 21: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: poquello
                  in pixel hymp not worse than photoshop
                  Professionals won't appreciate jokes.

                  and this is just not a joke, is there anything to say besides "blabblah"?
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Vine is not a panacea. Try AutoCAD to run.

                  Linux has varicad, draftzeut and brikskad
                  Quote: Simargl
                  You don't need them, obviously. But the aircraft manufacturers chose them for some reason.

                  which were the first, such were bought)))))))))))))))))))),
                2. Simargl
                  Simargl 15 December 2020 04: 37
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  and this is just not a joke
                  This is just a joke.
                  Quote: poquello
                  Linux has varicad, draftzeut and brikskad
                  Let's do this ... I'm now writing from under Linux. And so for 13 years. I understand a little what I'm talking about.
                  Quote: poquello
                  what were the first, they bought
                  That's how! Why don't they?
                3. poquello
                  poquello 15 December 2020 15: 10
                  -1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Let's do this ... I'm now writing from under Linux. And so for 13 years. I understand a little what I'm talking about.

                  ))))))))))) but didn’t try to work under it along the way, I understand what I’m talking about
                  Quote: Simargl
                  That's how! Why don't they?

                  why would anyone bother with some bourgeois articles, etc.?, well, there will be problems - they will change the drivers, connect the Chinese glasses, although why they were generally recognized as hololins, maybe they are not there
                4. Simargl
                  Simargl 15 December 2020 18: 44
                  0
                  Quote: poquello
                  but did not try to work under it along the way
                  Maybe. Almost everything I need I found in alternative option. However, if the employer / client is accustomed to working with the same AutoCAD (as an example), then at least tear the British flag, but the correct DWG cannot be collected. Yes, MSOoffice can be replaced, but as soon as more or less tricky formatting begins, that's it! The war of formats and concepts.
                  Quote: poquello
                  well, there will be problems - they will change the drivers, connect the Chinese glasses,
                  Do you think this augmented reality is just glasses and firewood for them? No. This is just an interface.
                5. poquello
                  poquello 15 December 2020 19: 38
                  -1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  if the employer / client is used to working with the same AutoCAD (as an example), then at least break the British flag, but the correct DWG cannot be collected.

                  Did you try to do this not by accident?
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Yes, MSOoffice can be replaced, but as soon as more or less tricky formatting begins, that's it! The war of formats and concepts.

                  and what did they want)))))))))), OO and LO are collected in open libraries, with documents of third-party organizations, the format war has not begun yet?
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Do you think this augmented reality is just glasses and firewood for them? No. This is just an interface.

                  eco fantasy that started you, domestic IT companies work such programs that the bourgeoisie never dreamed of
                6. Lex_is
                  Lex_is 15 December 2020 19: 54
                  -1
                  domestic IT companies work with such programs

                  For example, what?
                  PLM is engaged in:
                  • CSoft;
                  • ASCON;
                  • Intermech;
                  • "Lotsiya Soft";
                  • Research Center of CALS-technologies "Applied Logistics";
                  • "Top Systems".

                  Which one of them programs that the bourgeoisie never dreamed of?
                7. poquello
                  poquello 16 December 2020 02: 46
                  0
                  Quote: Lex_is
                  PLM is engaged in

                  is it a miracle of enterprise CRM for managers? - not interested, they are developing neurocontrol, dual robotic vision, face recognition
                8. Lex_is
                  Lex_is 16 December 2020 06: 58
                  0
                  No . This is a collection of information systems that solves the problems of generating engineering data (using CAD / CAM / CAE / CAPP tools) about a product and the problem of managing information about a product.

                  The main product for the machine / ship / aircraft industry, without which modern production is impossible.
                  Yes, and heavy CAD systems for aircraft and shipbuilding, we do not have more than one, only medium-sized 3D CAD Compass and T-FLEX and 2D NanoCAD.

                  And face recognition - yes, ours are quite at the level of doing.
            2. Simargl
              Simargl 15 December 2020 19: 55
              0
              Quote: poquello
              Did you try to do this not by accident?
              I don't use it for myself. But for work, the other does not work. So Linuh is not an assistant.

              Quote: poquello
              Has the format war started with third-party documents yet?
              Well, try to give a document with complex formatting in ODF to a government organization. Or some university.

              Quote: poquello
              domestic IT companies work such programs that the bourgeoisie never dreamed of
              No matter what they do, there is no domestic operating system, no glasses. You can say whatever you want to say about what can be done, but so far it is not - it takes a lot of time and money to make your fantasy and wishful thinking take place.
              In the meantime ...
            3. poquello
              poquello 16 December 2020 02: 55
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              I don't use it for myself. But for work, the other does not work.

              have not read, but condemn?
              Quote: Simargl
              Well try a document with complex formatting in ODF

              ODF is needed when scripts are used, and then they need to be written in the OO library, otherwise the LO stores everything perfectly in Excel's excellence, if it's about calc
              Quote: Simargl
              No matter what they do, there is no domestic operating system, no glasses.

              everything is clear, the helmet for 57 works on Windows)))))))))))))))))))))))))
            4. Simargl
              Simargl 16 December 2020 04: 51
              0
              Quote: poquello
              have not read, but condemn?
              You don't even know the history and meaning of this phrase, as I understand it. And your understanding of the text is so-so: I do not use these products for myself, because not necessary, but necessary for work.

              Quote: poquello
              otherwise, LO keeps everything perfectly in Excel Excels
              Doesn't save. You just don't work with large formatted texts. You write the WRC - this is how those dances with tambourines happen. Especially if it is something related to formulas and drawings.

              Quote: poquello
              everything is clear, the helmet for 57 works on Windows
              Everything is clear: we were talking about production, and then suddenly the helmet of the plane itself surfaced.
            5. poquello
              poquello 16 December 2020 12: 55
              0
              Quote: Simargl
              Everything is clear: we were talking about production, and then suddenly the helmet of the plane itself surfaced.

              we talked about augmented reality, or rather, you talked about it as a bourgeois miracle beyond our control
            6. Simargl
              Simargl 16 December 2020 18: 40
              0
              Quote: poquello
              we talked about augmented reality, or rather, you talked about it as a bourgeois miracle beyond our control
              Actually, not about this, but about a specific final product. Well, tell us how we are with import substitution? And to develop a complex of augmented reality, and then dock with the entire engineer of the design, production and assembly - this is not a libel for you.
  • bk316
    bk316 14 December 2020 17: 23
    +1
    processors not of our production - these are potential software and hardware bugs

    Can you substantiate it, prove it, or just repeat it like a parrot?
  • KCA
    KCA 13 December 2020 11: 15
    +3
    And if I have 7 and the update service is always turned off? I installed only 2 updates with the pens and the computer functions normally, I have not seen BSOD in 2 years, I generally hate if the computer does something itself without asking me
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 13 December 2020 14: 49
      -3
      Quote: KCA
      And if I have 7 and the update service is always turned off?
      Software and hardware tabs imply complete transparency for the user. Those. There is at least some kind of chain to the beneficiary through the equipment of the beneficiary - external management can be carried out.
      Let's say you have an AMD processor, Cisco network equipment, an operator - the same ... so even traffic will not be counted there (if necessary).
      1. KCA
        KCA 13 December 2020 15: 19
        +1
        A supercomputer can be bookmarked, one-time, or several times, who will do the user's computers? Asustek? Gigabit? The logistics of supplying computer equipment is such that even in Zimbabwe there may be a supplier, I know who will be in the millions of processors, bookmark the motherboard? In Taiwan, it makes no sense to bother with this, insert a beetle into Tsisku? Providers will not, if there is a leak from Tsiski, no one will simply work with them, serious people work in reputable organizations, with serious equipment, a little with such a sign, a network in which there were more than 91 computers in 6000 years, the fools could not serve
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 13 December 2020 18: 54
          0
          Quote: KCA
          who will bookmark the motherboard in millions of processors?
          How it works, as I understand it, do not you understand?
          Hardware tab, if any, is present throughout the series. It is activated either programmatically (say, it catches the code of a certain sequence), or before delivery, "mechanically" (for example, on the processor board the resistor is not 1k, but 10k).
          Quote: KCA
          if there is a leak from Tsiska, no one will work with them
          And who will know about this if the leak is not detected by documented means?
          1. KCA
            KCA 13 December 2020 21: 57
            0
            Do you think that some stupid people work for the Provo? Nobody can track left traffic? you can pour the left software with ambushes into the router, but it's all monitored, not wrong, so the FSB, I have had a D-link router for 4 years as Zuhel, and it's okay, I write through it,
            1. Simargl
              Simargl 14 December 2020 19: 06
              0
              Quote: KCA
              Nobody can track left traffic?
              If it is generated by a special piece of code and / or hardware, then no. The easiest way to do this is when the equipment is "turnkey" from one supplier. And if the packages are encrypted, you can add anything there.
              There was a fuss about this about 10-12 years ago, but it died down and was forgotten.
              The MC did not provide the source code, but they could not trample it from the public sector.
      2. poquello
        poquello 13 December 2020 21: 28
        -1
        Quote: Simargl
        Software and hardware tabs mean complete transparency for the user.

        an evening of humor?
        you can read how bookmarks work
        https://poquello.ru/linuxredfedora/spectre-and-meltdown/
        1. bk316
          bk316 14 December 2020 17: 30
          +1
          an evening of humor?

          No colleague, this is an evening of gibberish.
          Do you know what annoys me in the big dump?
          A huge number of characters live in it, it is important to write on any topic not a bit in these topics without understanding. And that's how they balabolit and balabolit. And when you catch them by the hand, they are not at all embarrassed ... No.
          1. poquello
            poquello 14 December 2020 21: 56
            0
            Quote: bk316
            No colleague, this is an evening of gibberish.
            Do you know what annoys me in the big dump?

            well, who's like, it's cool for me
      3. bk316
        bk316 14 December 2020 17: 26
        0
        you have an AMD processor, Cisco network equipment,

        Already asked before how this might work.
        Just at the level of concepts, what is a bookmark in the processor, how it works, how it can transmit something to the router. Once again I repeat, you can simply do it difficult, at least somehow only WITHOUT BALANCES.
    2. AML
      AML 14 December 2020 10: 25
      +1
      The Microsoft license agreement states that it will interfere with the operation of the system. Including block updates because they can sue. It is clear that you, as an individual, from the bell tower, but unfortunately not everyone can.
      I just read the Google agreements, so this is generally a song.
      1. KCA
        KCA 14 December 2020 10: 41
        0
        As I wrote, imagine a raid by the police, the Investigative Committee or the FSB on Irkut with the seizure of computers to check for illegal versions of Vyndovz and other software products? Yes, they will be thrown into the mud at once, kicked and released with apologies, where to go. For 20 years of selling computers and software (pirated) I sold only one licensed takeout 3.11, and then it came with an American server
        1. AML
          AML 14 December 2020 20: 07
          -1
          Well, why is it so difficult. Let's remember the story about how SUN blocked their servers for Russia. It would seem garbage war, but no.
      2. bk316
        bk316 14 December 2020 17: 32
        0
        Including block updates because they can sue.

        Something I have not seen in the seven (about updates), and I'm even sure that there is no such thing. Are you lying? laughing
  • Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 05
    +1
    Quote: Simargl
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...
    At the next update of the MS? Easy!

    Is it difficult to disconnect computers from the Internet? In serious industries, the network is generally isolated
    1. AML
      AML 14 December 2020 10: 33
      0
      Some gourmet looms require an internet connection. Officially, they control the operating modes. Disconnected from the tyrnet, for more than the stipulated period, lost the warranty. Well, the loss of warranty miraculously deactivates the machine. So you think about isolating the network 100 times or not.
      1. bk316
        bk316 14 December 2020 17: 37
        0
        Some gourmet looms require an internet connection

        What does the Internet and Windows update have to do with it? Don't know how to turn off direct automatic updates?
        I'm just fucking crazy about lamers who have come running but you haven't heard anything about WSUS?
        1. AML
          AML 14 December 2020 20: 02
          0
          A long time ago, when there were still 8 bits in the byte, I also wondered when the virus was sent out in zips. I thought that there was hardly a person who would unpack the archive and launch it. Let's just say my faith in the human mind has been greatly shaken. If you think you are the smartest, take my word for it, you are not.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 December 2020 10: 32
    -1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

    They will be able if the aircraft are designed using hardware and software systems developed by US firms, if critical components are purchased abroad.
    For example, has "SP-2" been banned or will not be able to ban?
    1. KCA
      KCA 13 December 2020 11: 23
      0
      Are American CAD systems worth? Compass 3D is already 20 years old, and it does not cost like ACAD more than a hundred thousand dollars for a dozen licenses, I just traded in pirates 20 years ago, but the Compass was only licensed, it makes sense to bother with a pirate if the native cost 150 rubles. Software specific but sold more than a hundred disks
      1. poquello
        poquello 15 December 2020 15: 15
        -1
        Quote: KCA
        The compass was only licensed, it makes sense to bother with a pirate if the native cost 150 rubles.

        ) well, actually, the compass based on the autocad was made as an add-on
    2. KCA
      KCA 13 December 2020 13: 29
      0
      Who cares about where the CAD systems were developed? At the request of Autodesk, the FSB will break into Irkut and confiscate all computers? I personally sold pirated AutoCAD, along with libraries, the price of many hundreds of thousands of dollars, on which elements of the LHC and other details for CERN were designed and the legality of the software did not bother anyone
      1. Takashi
        Takashi 18 December 2020 19: 06
        0
        well, like all over the world.
        Well, except for the RF.
        If now Autodesk files a lawsuit against Irkut, then at least the prosecutor's office should come to them, and this will at least slow down your MC21, since these are fines + representation to the director, reprimand to whom the thread
        If Siemens comes to Kraz, then this is a check of the number of licenses -> non-compliance, buy in addition
  • military_cat
    military_cat 12 December 2020 16: 18
    +1
    Quote: SRC P-15
    In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

    Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

    Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of ​​import substitution?
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 12 December 2020 16: 21
      +11
      Quote: military_cat
      Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of ​​import substitution?

      Who are you talking about?
      Personally, I am not dismissive of our technology, but of American snobbery. yes
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 12 December 2020 16: 27
        -26%
        Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.
        1. SRC P-15
          SRC P-15 12 December 2020 16: 34
          +2
          Quote: military_cat
          Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.

          But this is already a question for the design department or someone else who decided to use foreign technologies at a time when sanctions are flying on any of our sneezes. In general, we need to ask the leadership of our aircraft industry about this.
          1. Rusland
            Rusland 12 December 2020 17: 42
            -3
            Quote: SRC P-15
            Quote: military_cat
            Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.

            But this is already a question for the design department or someone else who decided to use foreign technologies at a time when sanctions are flying on any of our sneezes. In general, we need to ask the leadership of our aircraft industry about this.

            Do not whip up my friend, not everything is gone, this is the Internet and there they probe and analyze this site. Well, of course, all the directors and heads of the design bureau are wrestling with their sleeves rolled up here .. And you immediately, give us Tyapkin and Lyapkin, to put them on view. yes
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 12 December 2020 17: 58
              +1
              Quote: Rusland
              Do not whip up my friend, not everything is lost, this is the Internet

              That's it! Here is the Internet, so: I want to dance, I want to play, I want to wrap it in a newspaper! laughing
              In general, a visitor under the nickname wrote more like the truth below "askort154" (Alexander).
          2. Imobile
            Imobile 12 December 2020 18: 34
            -3
            And there are also pirate Windows. And not always pirated. The glasses are still purchased, so there can be no questions.
          3. ROSS_51
            ROSS_51 12 December 2020 19: 14
            -2
            Quote: SRC P-15

            But this is already a question for the design department or someone else who decided to use foreign technologies at a time when sanctions are flying on any of our sneezes. In general, we need to ask the leadership of our aircraft industry about this.

            What should our management ask about? Why didn't we develop our own glasses together with the software for them? It's all nonsense .. Just think, what kind of glasses you bought and use.
            Technology from all over the world flocks to Lockheed. Just watch the F-35 assembly videos.
            We were cut off from all technologies for a long time and we are simply not able to "import substitution". It’s also good if China sells them to us.
            It is simply amazing that our aircraft industry produces the Su-57 under such conditions.
            https://youtu.be/MAYRqnituwc
        2. Victorio
          Victorio 12 December 2020 16: 34
          +4
          Quote: military_cat
          Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when in the production of fighters electronic glasses are usedwhich American snobs have the ability to disable with the next update.

          ===
          on points they are ahead, on planes another question
          1. Takashi
            Takashi 18 December 2020 19: 07
            0
            and by points, by planes
        3. sniperino
          sniperino 12 December 2020 18: 07
          0
          Quote: military_cat
          electronic glasses are used, which American snobs have the ability to disable with the next update
          Why didn't they turn it off? SsFear?
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 13 December 2020 06: 48
            -1
            Somehow Gazprom was not bothered to shut down the compressor stations of the LMF.
            1. Kart
              Kart 14 December 2020 09: 06
              +1
              What happened?
              Gazprom collapsed along with the bloody regime?
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 14 December 2020 09: 07
                -1
                The last time I had such black and white binary thinking was in my teens.
                1. Kart
                  Kart 14 December 2020 09: 08
                  +3
                  Well, what happened?
        4. A.K.
          A.K. 12 December 2020 18: 16
          +1
          The article says that they are similar. So don't la-la.
        5. aleks26
          aleks26 12 December 2020 22: 05
          0
          Quote: military_cat
          when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs have the ability to turn off with the next update.

          Are these glasses really American?

          In a short video released, the company's engineers wear special devices on their heads, similar to Microsoft HoloLens
        6. vfwfr
          vfwfr 12 December 2020 23: 08
          -2
          Disable update, or not go online ... No update, no problem.
          Otherwise ... The one who wears them and those who allowed them .. Potential traitors / traitors to the motherland ...
          1. Simargl
            Simargl 13 December 2020 19: 06
            0
            Quote: vfwfr
            Disable the update, or not go online ...
            Some equipment without "updates" starts to "dull"
            1. Kart
              Kart 14 December 2020 09: 07
              0
              These are just glasses - that is, optics, sensors and monitors
              There is nothing to blunt programmatically.
              1. Simargl
                Simargl 14 December 2020 19: 18
                0
                Quote: Carte
                There is nothing to blunt programmatically.
                Of course there is nothing!
                Do you have a flat TV?
                Even if it is the first prototype, it has a processor. The processor processes microcode instructions. This means that there is something to blunt and where to make changes.
                1. poquello
                  poquello 15 December 2020 15: 21
                  -1
                  Quote: Simargl
                  Quote: Carte
                  There is nothing to blunt programmatically.
                  Of course there is nothing!
                  Do you have a flat TV?
                  Even if it is the first prototype, it has a processor. The processor processes microcode instructions. This means that there is something to blunt and where to make changes.

                  )
                  a processor, especially an early one, is a bunch of transistors that implement binary logic
                  1. Simargl
                    Simargl 15 December 2020 18: 47
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    a processor, especially an early one, is a bunch of transistors that implement binary logic
                    A video processor, even an early one, is from 20 MHz clock frequency and the complexity is comparable to i486. This is more complicated than your conclusions.
                  2. poquello
                    poquello 15 December 2020 19: 44
                    -1
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Quote: poquello
                    a processor, especially an early one, is a bunch of transistors that implement binary logic
                    A video processor, even an early one, is from 20 MHz clock frequency and the complexity is comparable to i486. This is more complicated than your conclusions.

                    So the frequency of this baida on zhps from God takes or is it quartz on transistors? )))
                  3. Simargl
                    Simargl 15 December 2020 19: 58
                    -1
                    Quote: poquello
                    Or is it quartz on transistors?
                    Well, if quartz on transistors is the frequency from God.
                  4. poquello
                    poquello 16 December 2020 03: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Quote: poquello
                    Or is it quartz on transistors?
                    Well, if quartz on transistors is the frequency from God.

                    really on microcode? ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
                  5. Simargl
                    Simargl 16 December 2020 04: 52
                    0
                    Quote: poquello
                    really on microcode?
                    No. Not a single program for such a processor has been written in microcode, otherwise today it would only have reached the middle.
                  6. poquello
                    poquello 16 December 2020 12: 34
                    0
                    Quote: Simargl
                    Quote: poquello
                    really on microcode?
                    No. Not a single program for such a processor has been written in microcode, otherwise today it would only have reached the middle.

                    What are you mysterious, so on what?
  • vfwfr
    vfwfr 14 December 2020 22: 48
    0
    For this, and the calculation ... To update ... On WIFI routers noticed (not always in all, but .. there are) such "stupid".
    1. Simargl
      Simargl 15 December 2020 04: 40
      0
      Quote: vfwfr
      On WIFI routers noticed
      It would not be so sad, probably, if this was not the case on industrial equipment.
      It happened with the UPS: we decided to make a "trick with our ears", save money and maintain it on our own, but ... we had to buy new control boards.
      1. vfwfr
        vfwfr 16 December 2020 00: 28
        0
        "" decided to make a "feint with the ears" "" The miser pays ....... well, you know.
        1. Simargl
          Simargl 16 December 2020 04: 46
          0
          Quote: vfwfr
          The miser pays ....... well, you know.
          This is understandable, but we are not talking about what you have to pay, but about the possibilities of influencing the equipment.
  • poquello
    poquello 13 December 2020 00: 10
    -3
    Quote: military_cat
    Debunking American snobbery is a good thing, but not entirely convincing when electronic glasses are used in the production of fighters, which American snobs can turn off with the next update.

    300 they have a tractor driver)))))))))))))))))))
  • SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 12 December 2020 18: 16
    -2
    Quote: military_cat
    Quote: SRC P-15
    In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

    Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

    Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of ​​import substitution?


    And what are the Russian technologies in augmented reality systems?
  • Captain Pushkin
    Captain Pushkin 12 December 2020 19: 35
    +2
    Quote: military_cat
    Quote: SRC P-15
    In the United States discovered American technology in the assembly of the Russian Su-57

    Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

    Why such a disdainful attitude towards Russian technologies and the idea of ​​import substitution?

    The Americans borrowed the technology from the Japanese, after which it immediately became "American"?
    When Opel was owned by American GM, all patents Opel obtained were automatically owned by GM.
    And the Germans paid the Americans to use their developments!
  • vfwfr
    vfwfr 12 December 2020 23: 05
    0
    "" and the idea of ​​import substitution? "" Answer: As everything went from China, and so it goes .. stickers are only "their"
  • 210ox
    210ox 12 December 2020 16: 28
    +8
    Yeah, all of them. And for us only a hammer and a chisel. Further along Lavrov
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 12 December 2020 17: 17
    0
    СРЦ П-15 - as you can see we really slurp cabbage soup, holographic, with the same holographic bast shoes lol
  • midivan
    midivan 12 December 2020 22: 04
    0
    Quote: СРЦ П-15

    Did they think we were eating cabbage soup here?

    They didn't think at all lol
    According to another American The Drive, for the first time such "augmented reality" technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars. Also a similar method is used in the production of an American fighter. fifth generation F-35. [b] [/ b] American technologies are used in the assembly of the latest Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57.
  • iouris
    iouris 13 December 2020 10: 28
    -2
    Quote: СРЦ П-15
    are we slurping cabbage soup here?

    We switched to McDonald's products a long time ago. The General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee Gorby personally promoted them. McDonald's is erected on the rubble of the country.
  • zwlad
    zwlad 12 December 2020 16: 47
    +9
    Yeah, and there are wings too, like f35.
    And su57 also flies, too, to see the merit of the zvezdanutyh.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 December 2020 17: 55
      +4
      No, the Ukrainians gave wings to humanity, it's a shame not to know this hi laughing
      1. zwlad
        zwlad 12 December 2020 18: 04
        +3
        Sorry. I completely forgot about it.
  • avg
    avg 12 December 2020 16: 50
    +3
    And also American toilet paper was found on these Russians, but for some reason traditional plywood and canvas were not noticed.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 12 December 2020 17: 36
    +3
    Quote: Smirnoff
    The assembly of the newest Russian fifth generation fighter Su-57 uses American technology

    So what? It also has round wheels.

    Glory to our scouts!
    1. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 12 December 2020 17: 41
      +3
      Quote: Piramidon
      Glory to our scouts!

      Aha. How is it ... In a large family, chewing does not click laughing
    2. Reviews
      Reviews 12 December 2020 17: 41
      +1
      And what have the scouts? If you want, you can buy yourself:
      https://market.yandex.ru/product--smart-ochki-microsoft-hololens/14191916?clid=603&utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=gm_xml_dep_jelektronika_cat_ochki_virtualnoj_realnosti_offer_search_rus|10972670&utm_content=cid:10610308016|gid:110588122011|aid:454707178472|ph:kwd-300414580965|pt:|pn:|src:|st:g&utm_term=10972670|14191916&gclid=Cj0KCQiA8dH-BRD_ARIsAC24umZT6R25wAHFGVblLPhS21McVUN_OPahl0VnBFho42jPgenmlcUXziIaAibJEALw_wcB
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 12 December 2020 18: 25
        0
        The assembly of the latest Russian fifth generation fighter, the Su-57, uses American technology. Writes about this American edition of Defense Blog.
        there is a vague suspicion that the "cross" screwdrivers are Chinese ... but this is not certain. winked lol
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 12 December 2020 18: 45
          0
          Quote: Aerodrome
          there is a vague suspicion that the "cross" screwdrivers are Chinese ... but this is not certain. winked lol

          What if Torq-Set? :)
  • Simfy
    Simfy 12 December 2020 22: 35
    0
    and the program cannot merge "everything that it saw" to the owners ??? ... and "And" effective "managers" for the sake of the video could not even think about it (((
  • Hedges666
    Hedges666 14 December 2020 22: 09
    0
    Quote: Smirnoff
    It also has round wheels.
    Well, on ... And, if instead of a wheel they spiked the ski, then the Norwegians would get out, and this is much worse)
  • Evil Booth
    Evil Booth 18 December 2020 11: 54
    -1
    and this is the stolen usumer
  • Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 16: 05
    -11%
    Well, that's it ... new sanctions will come to someone. what We'll have to invent our own video glasses.
    More life-giving sanctions and restrictions ... we will buy what the Chinese will lack.
    1. 210ox
      210ox 12 December 2020 16: 33
      +2
      Will Ali Yuan bucks be enough? It's not about the glasses, but it's still interesting how much the country lost on these sanctions. However, we have nowhere to retreat and we have to work in any conditions.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 16: 46
        0
        but still, I wonder how much the country has lost on these sanctions.

        A lot ... there was no need to destroy your industry in the 90s. Now attempts to use imported technologies always lead to political dependence on the supplier countries ... they always start to make some demands on human rights.
      2. zwlad
        zwlad 12 December 2020 16: 48
        0
        How much did you get?
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 16: 54
          -8
          How much did you get?

          Remember the story with the Simensk gas generators from Germany .. we bought it but we cannot use them ... the sanctions because of the Crimea ... Some kind of nonsense.
          So if you buy foreign technology, then only from reliable suppliers ... who will not throw and impose sanctions.
          1. Rusland
            Rusland 12 December 2020 17: 22
            +3
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            How much did you get?

            Remember the story with the Simensk gas generators from Germany .. we bought it but we cannot use them ... the sanctions because of the Crimea ... Some kind of nonsense.
            So if you buy foreign technology, then only from reliable suppliers ... who will not throw and impose sanctions.

            In this situation, the naive message, where and what is the reliability, my friend, who from your list of reliable ones can you name? Please agree on this with the Americans. recourse
          2. swan49
            swan49 12 December 2020 17: 44
            +5
            You yourself need to do as much as possible.
            How did the scandal end for Siemens? We separated the entire power engineering industry into a separate company, in which Siemens AG is a non-majority shareholder, which again climbed into Russia. We are too large a market for large gas turbines for them to lose.
            1. vfwfr
              vfwfr 12 December 2020 23: 17
              +1
              At first, we were working out (Germany), but as we realized that we could build not big turbines ourselves and not far off for large turbines ... Then they came running and they say we will share the technology, take the current into the market share .. PS "" We the market for big gas turbines is too big for them to lose. "" That's the whole story .. Nothing personal, just business.
          3. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 12 December 2020 17: 58
            +7
            Now, remember how this story ended - the development of a domestic analogue of the Simensk turbine!
          4. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 12
            0
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            How much did you get?

            Remember the story with the Simensk gas generators from Germany .. we bought it but we cannot use them ... the sanctions because of the Crimea ... Some kind of nonsense.
            So if you buy foreign technology, then only from reliable suppliers ... who will not throw and impose sanctions.

            Who is reliable suppliers? High-power gas turbines are made by only 4-5 companies in the world
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 12 December 2020 16: 57
          +5
          According to the publication, Microsoft HoloLens glasses are used in the assembly process of the Russian fighter. This conclusion was reached by the experts of the publication, who studied the video of the use of augmented reality technology when assembling the Su-57 in the shop of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Plant named after Yuri Gagarin (KnAAZ).


          Now the White House is simply obliged without fail (!) introduce sanctions against Microsoft!

          Punish the micro-soft! wassat
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 12 December 2020 18: 19
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      We'll have to invent our own video glasses.
      More life-giving sanctions and restrictions ... we will buy what the Chinese will lack.

      And the Japanese would have to impose sanctions on the states, because
      According to another American The Drive, for the first time such "augmented reality" technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars.

      laughing hi
      1. bars1
        bars1 12 December 2020 19: 03
        0
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        And the Japanese would impose sanctions on the states

        The Japanese must not upset the White Master!
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  • Severok
    Severok 12 December 2020 16: 07
    +12
    Nothing that the Yankees use in the arrogant Soviet and Russian inventions and developments? It is a pity that the country's authorities do not bother in this matter, otherwise it would be possible to sue them.
    1. mark1
      mark1 12 December 2020 16: 25
      +4
      Quote: Severok
      otherwise it would be possible to sue them.

      It is possible in the Stockholm court, it is possible in the Netherlands, it is possible in London ... and in many other places.
      1. 210ox
        210ox 12 December 2020 16: 37
        +2
        Well, we have something more according to Basmanny, everything goes ... The authorities are somehow shy about international justice (although I do not believe in him either) ...
      2. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 12 December 2020 16: 48
        +3
        It is possible in the Stockholm court, it is possible in the Netherlands, it is possible in the London ...
        Well, they sometimes cheat with evidence.
      3. poquello
        poquello 13 December 2020 00: 18
        -1
        Quote: mark1
        Quote: Severok
        otherwise it would be possible to sue them.

        It is possible in the Stockholm court, it is possible in the Netherlands, it is possible in London ... and in many other places.

        gee gee, Trump has already sued
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 14 December 2020 10: 13
      -2
      Quote: Severok
      Nothing that the Yankees use in the arrogant Soviet and Russian inventions and developments? It is a pity that the country's authorities do not bother in this matter, otherwise it would be possible to sue them.

      No problem. Submit an international patent for an invention and win the court
  • Pessimist22
    Pessimist22 12 December 2020 16: 07
    +8
    Everything is on Aliexpress.
  • Mouse
    Mouse 12 December 2020 16: 13
    +3
    This conclusion was reached by the experts of the publication who studied the video of the use of technology

    Have you studied the video and identified it by eye? And they made an expert opinion .... specialists! What to say.... bully
    1. A good one
      A good one 12 December 2020 16: 29
      +3
      "What can I say, what can I say, people are arranged this way ...", remember that song? hi
      1. Mouse
        Mouse 12 December 2020 17: 03
        +2
        hi
        They want to know, they want to know ... but curious Barbara in the bazaar ... wink
        1. Rusland
          Rusland 12 December 2020 17: 26
          +1
          Quote: Mouse
          hi
          They want to know, they want to know ... but curious Barbara in the bazaar ... wink

          In vain you are so, not recorded historically, that this lady's nose was torn off. hi
  • ul_vitalii
    ul_vitalii 12 December 2020 16: 18
    +7
    Damn, sanctions again, but because of the points already. belay Proctologists of our honored sciences, it seems, will go next, they say, they look there through their monocular to a certain place. winked
  • Russ
    Russ 12 December 2020 16: 19
    +5
    As far as I understand, there are no questions for the Chinese? recourse Those are still copy-paste ... wink
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 12 December 2020 16: 22
    0
    Oh, and what will begin with them when they find out that half of the country is sitting on Intel's prots and Windows - eternal sanctions and a ban will probably arrange))))
    1. Russ
      Russ 12 December 2020 16: 26
      +3
      and they will probably arrange a ban))))

      Eternal ban! laughing
    2. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 12 December 2020 18: 00
      0
      Okay, the prots are at least purchased, but our authorities only drive yuriks for Windows.
    3. Revolver
      Revolver 12 December 2020 21: 54
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      half of the country on Intel

      There is an alternative - AMD processors. The truth is also American.
      1. poquello
        poquello 13 December 2020 00: 35
        -1
        Quote: Nagan
        Quote: evgen1221
        half of the country on Intel

        There is an alternative - AMD processors. The truth is also American.

        This is not an alternative to this choice, you can freely choose, and even if they are buried but blocked (fantasy) there are Chinese Hygons, and our pack (just expensive)
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 December 2020 06: 10
          0
          Quote: poquello
          there are Chinese Hygons

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD–Chinese_joint_venture
          The majority stake in the company belongs to AMD. They are making AMD processors of the pre-previous generation, and, at least for today, with deliberately curtailed capabilities, and with Chinese gadgets supposedly intended for tracking, for the Chinese market. Do you think that Chinese espionage is less dangerous for Russia than American espionage?No.negative
          Quote: poquello
          and our pack (just dear)
          That's when Elbrus will be equal in performance to at least the weakest Intel and AMD, then we'll talk. In the meantime ... The jokers from the Polytechnic University somehow in one of the middle (or maybe later) years of perestroika took place at a May Day demonstration with a banner on which the slogan "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world!"
          1. poquello
            poquello 13 December 2020 21: 46
            -1
            Quote: Nagan
            That's when Elbrus will be equal in performance

            Elbrus has a different architecture, in terms of performance in flops they are not worse than not the weakest ones)
            Quote: Nagan
            "Soviet microcircuits are the largest microcircuits in the world!"

            and are able to survive all sorts of cataclysms such as nuclear), once I, too, laughed at this joke, until I tasted deeper bourgeois brands, and they have no margin of safety)
            1. Kart
              Kart 14 December 2020 09: 11
              +1
              Exactly.
              Moreover, in general, they SPECIALLY do not have this margin of safety in order to force the buyer to update the equipment.
  • General failure
    General failure 12 December 2020 16: 25
    +2
    And the icons in the title picture have rounded corners.
    Don't go to the grandmother, Apple technologies are used.
    1. A good one
      A good one 12 December 2020 16: 35
      +3
      Of course, you don't have to go to the grandmother, but let them not climb, then the rounding and overturning will not be relevant. yes
  • Kerzhak
    Kerzhak 12 December 2020 16: 37
    +5
    Since when did technologies stolen from Russia in the 90s become American?
  • Andrea
    Andrea 12 December 2020 16: 40
    +4
    So whose technology? Japanese, American, worldwide?
    Americans should generally keep quiet about technology, scientific discoveries, and so on.
    They live in a foreign country, they stole.
  • AVA77
    AVA77 12 December 2020 16: 53
    +4
    Mom is in our nursery group, Anya has the same ruffles on her pajamas as I have on my T-shirt laughing
    Kindergarten chamomile.
  • askort154
    askort154 12 December 2020 17: 13
    +4
    Earlier, videos of the application of the new technology during the assembly of the Su-57 at KnAAZ appeared on the Web. It was explained that the video was filmed on March 24 of this year, but only got on the Web in December.

    I then, making fun - "asked the FSB in the studio."
    And now I realized that this "video" is a divorce of the FSB, for those who openly declare that Russia is enemy number 1 for them. Let them believe that the Russian Su-57 is being assembled precisely according to the "digital technologies" that have their base.
    Let them revel in flattery, this will diminish their desire to look into our modern "military-industrial complex" bins. And that too brazenly roamed there in the 90s. yes
  • zenion
    zenion 12 December 2020 17: 16
    +6
    Moreover, the country of Syria was discovered on the deposits of American oil.
  • Reviews
    Reviews 12 December 2020 17: 19
    0
    Why is everyone so horny? The tone of the article is fairly neutral. The usual technical news at the level of "put new computers in the office" or "received new data on testing."
    1. Kart
      Kart 14 December 2020 09: 13
      +1
      Well, of course, quite neutral - "Russia again stole technology from us."
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        1. Kart
          Kart 14 December 2020 10: 04
          +2
          Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.
          It all starts small. Give the enemy a finger - he will bite off the whole hand.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 14 December 2020 10: 05
            -1
            Quote: Carte
            Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.
            It all starts small. Give the enemy a finger - he will bite off the whole hand.

            No, well, definitely a problem. He's about Thomas, he's about Yerema ... Get treatment.
            1. Kart
              Kart 14 December 2020 10: 09
              +2
              Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.

              Do you offer treatment for this?
              Well, everything is clear.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 14 December 2020 10: 11
                0
                Quote: Carte
                Everything is fine with me, I live in Russia, I protect it as best I can.

                Do you offer treatment for this?
                Well, everything is clear.

                With you yes. In the word "use" you see "steal"; you lose the original thread of the conversation; you don’t remember how the conversation began. Treat yourself.
                1. Kart
                  Kart 14 December 2020 10: 19
                  +1
                  Well, that is, you do not understand anything?
                  Poke your mom.
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 14 December 2020 10: 45
                    0
                    Quote: Carte
                    Well, that is, you do not understand anything?

                    Move the mirror, schizoid.

                    Poke your mom.

                    Go ahead ...
  • duchy
    duchy 12 December 2020 17: 22
    -1
    So what??? Are they, besides themselves loved by the rest of the Papuans consider ?? And they would not have gone with their exclusivity to one place and stuffed something into their mouths.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 December 2020 22: 05
      0
      Quote: duche
      stuffed something in my mouth.

      You?No. Then you'll struggle to wash the end.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 12 December 2020 18: 05
    +5
    Quote: Starover_Z
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    And even if only with bast shoes.
    You might think that they will be able to prohibit us from assembling aircraft on this basis ...

    They will be offended, they will rush to write out the next sanctions, and here's another - the "curve" Windu will slip in order to make mistakes and get a locomotive.
    Indeed, it is NECESSARY to switch to such responsible enterprises on their computers, on Elbrus, on their OS!

    First of all, do not let the figs of various idiots with video cameras go to defense facilities and to shops. In the USSR, in general, at such sites, if anything was filmed, it was only verified persons, and they were forbidden to take off foreign equipment, since it often entered the country using the opportunities ..., in short, it was impossible to shoot and that's it. And then they start scratching their turnips - how do they all know why this or that product in the West becomes sanctioned? Managers suck ....sad
    1. sedoj
      sedoj 12 December 2020 19: 16
      +2
      That's right: there would be no video, there would be no topic for conversation. Zadolbali already - everyone is trying to post something like that - sort of, to collect more likes. Nobody is interested in what may follow this. "D.B" (FROM)
  • Putnik119
    Putnik119 12 December 2020 18: 49
    0
    The most significant thing is that such nonsense is discovered not by US intelligence, but by some "journalists" - almost always anonymous, from some unknown Internet portal.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 12 December 2020 19: 40
      +1
      Quote: Putnik119
      Most revealingly, it is not US intelligence that discovers such nonsense.

      They also did not find a 104-key keyboard. And a computer mouse ...

      https://virtuality.club/store/shlemy_i_ochki_vr_ar_mr/ochki-smeshannoj-realnosti/microsoft-hololens-development-edition
  • APASUS
    APASUS 12 December 2020 18: 50
    -1
    Now we find out that the Russians have resisted the F-35 technology and other garbage. Tomorrow they will begin to persuade us in all the media and apply more sanctions.
    Everyone is happy
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 December 2020 19: 12
    -3
    All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.
    And almost everything is under Windows.
    1. Disant
      Disant 12 December 2020 20: 47
      0
      And almost everything is under Windows.

      Astralinux is on the way to widespread use. And there the programs will catch up.
      1. Left shot
        Left shot 18 December 2020 20: 15
        0
        They do not need to be tightened, they have been there for a long time. Just a stupid student template: to know only a set of the most chewed progs is, unfortunately, not yet outdated.
    2. poquello
      poquello 13 December 2020 00: 39
      -1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.
      And almost everything is under Windows.

      So what? there is such a vine for Linux on which it works on under the view)))))))))))))
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 13 December 2020 10: 34
      0

      voyaka uh (Alexey)
      Yesterday, 19: 12
      NEW
      -2
      All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.
      You have already gone with your stupid conclusions! laughing Or from a principle - even for yourself laughing tongue laughing , but just to shit! angry
    4. Left shot
      Left shot 14 December 2020 06: 13
      -1
      It is nominally Western in the development of key components by Russian firms, for example in CATIA.
      In addition, there are a lot of purely Russian CAD systems, such as NanoCAD, K3.
      So you can pray to the West, but you cannot lie.
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 18 December 2020 19: 53
        -1
        CATIA was not born in Russia and was not developed by Russian firms.
        1. Left shot
          Left shot 18 December 2020 20: 05
          -1
          You are not telling the truth. Some of the key components of CATIA were developed by the Novosibirsk company Ledas.
          1. Lex_is
            Lex_is 18 December 2020 20: 15
            -1
            You are very poorly versed in the topic, from this you carry garbage.

            LEDAS sold its geometric solvers LGS 2D and LGS 3D to CATIA and developed a number of modules for Dassault Systèmes, these are their bread, modules to develop, with which they do an excellent job.
            This does not mean that he was the developer of CATIA, but he was the developer of modules, these are completely different things.
            1. Left shot
              Left shot 18 December 2020 20: 17
              0
              LEDAS sold its geometric solvers to CATIA

              So there was participation? The question is closed and your lie that there were no Russian companies next to CATIA has been fixed.
              1. Lex_is
                Lex_is 18 December 2020 20: 31
                0
                For the gifted: because the KAMAZ Caterpillar engines are installed, it does not become an American company.
                1. Left shot
                  Left shot 18 December 2020 21: 56
                  0
                  It doesn’t, of course ... You lied that Russian firms didn’t participate in any way, now that you have been caught in a lie, there is no need to twist and distort words.
                  1. Lex_is
                    Lex_is 18 December 2020 21: 57
                    0
                    It is nominally Western in the development of key components by Russian firms, for example in CATIA
                    .
                    1. Left shot
                      Left shot 18 December 2020 22: 34
                      0
                      Quote: Left Shot
                      nominally Western in the development of key components by Russian firms, for example in CATIA.

                      Quote: Lex_is
                      It was not developed by Russian firms.

                      So will we argue or will we end the senseless chatter?
                      1. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 18 December 2020 23: 05
                        0
                        Of course we'll finish.
                        What's the point of talking to someone who doesn't understand the difference between the CGM solver (which LEDAS developed) and the CATIA software product that uses it?
                      2. Left shot
                        Left shot 19 December 2020 02: 12
                        0
                        That is, the development of the required component is not participation?

                        Like in a pan ...
                      3. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 19 December 2020 05: 37
                        0
                        Of course not.
                        As well as the fact that T-Flex was developed on the Parasolid motherboard, it did not cease to be a Russian development and did not become Korean and Samsung did not become its developer.
                      4. Takashi
                        Takashi 19 December 2020 09: 40
                        0
                        add a little.
                        Each respected CAD system provides access to its interface - in the form of libraries, functions. This is done so that third-party developers can expand the capabilities or customize them for their specific tasks. Catia, Ugs,. So that's it. Your Ledas - creates application solutions based on this. Not more than. If it is successful, it can be bought and built into the system like a regular button. But it doesn't touch on the basics of CAD. And further. Comment. The Russian compass also has such an opportunity, but for some reason the ice does not seek to huddle it
                      5. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 19 December 2020 10: 34
                        0
                        Compass has its own C3D kernel, which, like LEDAS modules and solvers, is sold to Western companies. It's just that ASCON has separated its core into a separate commercial product.
                      6. Lex_is
                        Lex_is 19 December 2020 10: 40
                        0
                        Each respected CAD system provides access to its own interface - in the form of libraries, functions.


                        Not really, access is provided through the API, that's different. And yes, modules and functions are often used by third parties, on the terms of their developer.
                      7. Left shot
                        Left shot 20 December 2020 13: 57
                        0
                        You are trying to pass off the developed Ledas as plugins. No that's not true.
  • Engineer
    Engineer 15 December 2020 11: 09
    +1
    Unfortunately it's true
    All leading companies are Sukhoi, AvtoVAZ, ISS, etc. use СAD-CAM-PDM from Western companies.
    The explosion of the seats under this post does not change anything.
    From the fact that SolidWorks is declared a Russian product at tenders, after all, SW Russia has translated the menu and the help does not change anything
  • 123456789
    123456789 12 December 2020 20: 30
    +3
    Quote: voyaka uh
    All engineering and design software in Russia is Western.

    CAD Compass 3d
    1. Takashi
      Takashi 18 December 2020 19: 12
      0
      did you want to laugh? 12 years already
      And what was the Compass - it remained a student fake
      1. Lex_is
        Lex_is 18 December 2020 19: 54
        +1
        Maybe the hands don't grow from there?
        What exactly can you do in Solidworks that cannot be done in Compass?
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        2. Takashi
          Takashi 19 December 2020 09: 44
          0
          Not using SolidWorks.
          there is such a thing: ergonomics. This is when everything is convenient and clear.
          The compass, as it was a Zhiguli with monstrous logic and buttons, remains so.
    2. Lex_is
      Lex_is 18 December 2020 19: 57
      -1
      Compass is an average CAD system. For aircraft construction, it is not suitable (although it is successfully used for the design of small aircraft), for shipbuilding it is the same (although it is again successfully used for the design of small ships).
  • 7,62h54
    7,62h54 12 December 2020 20: 39
    +2
    What is Microsoft ?! This is Skolkov's development. Everything is imported.
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 12 December 2020 21: 15
    +1
    If they want to protect intellectual property, let the sanctions be lifted. Or go to the forest.
  • Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 12 December 2020 21: 51
    0
    Quote: Pessimist22
    Everything is on Aliexpress.

    With instructions in Russian "How to assemble an airplane at home")))
  • bk316
    bk316 12 December 2020 23: 39
    +2
    HoloLens by Microsoft.

    OH YEAH! Yes, there was also a Microsoft mouse laughing surely laughing .
    This clearly says that the Russians stole a fu-35 and made a su-57.
  • tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 13 December 2020 04: 25
    0
    - "the technology began to be used in the 1990s in Japan in the assembly of cars." and the penguins from which side !?
  • denk20
    denk20 13 December 2020 13: 13
    0
    They say they bought a helicopter, but no matter how they assembled it turns out to be a tractor ...
  • BOB044
    BOB044 13 December 2020 14: 27
    0
    And that he still knows how to fly and not bad. We now stop releasing it.
  • koshmarik
    koshmarik 13 December 2020 15: 52
    0
    And the American media also inform their readers that if your dog has a stomach ache, then the Russians and their newcomer are to blame.
  • TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 13 December 2020 16: 18
    0
    Well, everything, we are waiting for new ones, stop the hundred million sanctions ...
  • Charik
    Charik 13 December 2020 16: 41
    -2
    I won't even read it - I said several times that the Su57 is a claw-scratched by Anka RenTeVeshnitsa from F22 and F35
  • VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK
    VLADIMIR VLADIVOSTOK 13 December 2020 17: 07
    -1
    Americans have nothing of their own! All their technologies are industrial espionage and the recruitment of engineers! The United States is unable to master Soviet technologies!
  • Homegoblin
    Homegoblin 13 December 2020 22: 59
    +1
    And yet, these metrosexuals, a Phillips screwdriver, which I used to tear off their hats as a child, are called Phillips.
  • HMR333
    HMR333 13 December 2020 23: 45
    0
    7 Fridays in the week that they write that su 57 rubbish maize is backward, then what would be refuted write that he is so good because of our technologies! Nonsense and pure fiction! And the technologies of military optics still exist from the USSR in the same ka 52 aligatop sight on visions! They have translated really experts who, without politics, could adequately make comparisons and evaluate technology adequately!
  • Sergey Egorov_2
    Sergey Egorov_2 14 December 2020 14: 24
    0
    And they also use screwdrivers!
  • Alexander Burkunov
    Alexander Burkunov 18 December 2020 13: 00
    0
    and the US uses SOVIET technologies, let them abandon them
    1. Takashi
      Takashi 18 December 2020 19: 18
      0
      Well, it was as if the USA themselves went crazy when they learned how and in what quantities, the USSR and their technology.
      https://press.lv/post/podpolkovnik-kgb-obrushil-vsyu-sovetskuyu-nauchno-tehnicheskuyu-razvedku-a-potom-po-gluposti-raskryl-sebya