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Montenegrins and the Ottoman Empire

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Pavle (Payia) Jovanovitch. "Return of the Montenegrins after the battle"


Unlike their neighbors, the Montenegrins managed to avoid complete submission to the Ottomans: for centuries this country retained a certain autonomy, the Turks seized only the lands adjacent to the Skadar Lake. This is explained not only by some exceptional love of freedom and military prowess of the inhabitants of Montenegro, but also by the peculiarity of the territory they controlled: it was then much smaller than modern and was a harsh and inaccessible mountainous area. On this map you can see what Montenegro looked like back in the XNUMXth century, and how the territory of this state was gradually increasing:


The Montenegrin rulers still formally recognized the power of the Turkish governors, who were located in Skadar (Shkoder). The sons of the Montenegrin princes from the Crnojevic family periodically went to Constantinople as hostages and even converted to Islam there. The situation changed in the 1692th century, when the Ottomans tried to introduce kharaj (tax on the use of land by the Gentiles) in Montenegro. This led to a series of uprisings and an attempt to go under the protectorate of Venice, which then failed to provide Montenegro with sufficient military assistance. In XNUMX, the Turks even succeeded in capturing and destroying the seemingly impregnable Cetinje Monastery.

Metropolitan rulers of Montenegro


Since 1516, Montenegro has been a kind of theocratic monarchy: at the head of this country were metropolitan-lords, the first of whom was Vavila. True, the so-called governors were at first in charge of secular affairs under them. But since 1697, the secular power was also in the hands of the metropolitans, who began to pass this dignity (or - already the title?) By inheritance. Later, the descendants of these metropolitans became princes of Montenegro. The founder of this strange dynasty was Danila the First Petrovic-Njegos.


Vladika Danilo, prince-bishop of Montenegro

It was under the leadership of Danila that the famous Cetinsky monastery, destroyed in 1692 (5 years before his election), was restored. It was rebuilt away from the old building, but the stones left over from the first were used for its construction.

Montenegrins and the Ottoman Empire
Cetinje monastery

At the same time, the Metropolitan of Montenegrins for the first time acted as allies of Russia in the struggle against Turkey and even inflicted defeat on the Ottomans in the battle of Tsarev Laz (in which Danila himself was wounded). However, the unsuccessful Prut campaign of Peter I left the Montenegrins alone with a stronger enemy. In addition to a large number of villages, the city of Cetinje was again captured and the recently rebuilt monastery was again ruined.

In 1715, Danila visited St. Petersburg, receiving money for the restoration of churches and assistance to those who suffered in the war with the Turks, church books and utensils.

In 1716, the Montenegrins defeated the Ottomans in the battle near the village of Ternine, and in 1718 they fought against the Turks on the side of the Venetians.

For two centuries, the troops of the Metropolitans of Montenegro fought with the Ottoman armies, often defeating them. But sometimes they were defeated, and the country found itself in the most desperate situation. Only the help of Venice or Russia saved then the Montenegrins from complete conquest and revenge of the angry Turks. It is curious that the Orthodox Church and the common people of Montenegro have traditionally advocated an alliance with Russia, while noble people have always focused on the Republic of Venice, with which they were tied by trade interests.

"Peter III" on the Montenegrin throne


The most mysterious of the rulers of Montenegro was Stefan Maly, whom everyone unanimously took for the Russian Emperor Peter III, who was killed in Ropsha. He himself did not directly deny this, but he never called himself Peter.


Even in Turkey and Europe, at first they could not confidently assert that an impostor had appeared in Montenegro. Catherine II herself gave a reason for doubts, who did not appear at the funeral of her husband, who allegedly died of "hemorrhoidal colic" decency). In addition, the burial place of Peter III was not the imperial tomb of the Cathedral of the Peter and Paul Fortress, but the Alexander Nevsky Lavra. All this led to the appearance of rumors that instead of Peter, either some soldier, remotely similar to the emperor, or a wax doll was buried. Not surprisingly, more than 40 impostors soon appeared, the most famous of whom was Emelyan Pugachev.

In Montenegro, Stefan was extremely popular, and the nickname under which he entered history, traditionally interpreted in this way: they say, he was "good with good people, little - small." Under pressure from the people, Metropolitan Vladyka Savva was forced to cede power to Stephen. This impostor ruled from November 1767 to October 1773. His fate was described in the article Stefan Small. Montenegrin adventures of Peter III, we will not repeat ourselves.

The road to independence


Montenegro became virtually independent from the Ottoman Empire at the end of the 1785th century. After the Turks were unable to protect it from the invasion of the Albanian army of Kara Mahmud Bushati in 1795, and in XNUMX, the Montenegrins themselves defeated the army of this robber prince, but they did not let the Turkish pashas come to them either. This happened during the reign of Metropolitan Peter I Petrovich-Njegos, who, according to legend, personally cut off the head of “Black Mahmud”. Later this Metropolitan Vladyka was canonized by the Orthodox Church.


Peter I Petrovic-Njegos, Saint Peter of Cetinje

However, the independence of Montenegro was officially recognized only in 1878.

Under Metropolitan Peter I Njegos, Montenegrins in 1806-1807. acted as allies of the Russian army during the battles with the French in Dalmatia. The Russians then remembered their stubborn unwillingness to take prisoners: according to a long-standing tradition, they cut off their heads to opponents who fell into their hands. And they, following the same consecrated centuries and traditions, considered any property on enemy territory as their legal prey. The nationality and confessional affiliation of the owners of the belongings they liked did not matter.


In 1852, Vladyka Metropolitan Danilo II Petrovic-Njegos accepted the title of Prince of Montenegro (and from that time he began to be called Danilo I).


Danilo I Petrovic Njegos, first prince and secular ruler of Montenegro

Alexander III called his nephew and successor Nicholas I Petrovich-Njegos “the only friend,” while he himself once said to the Russian envoy Y. Ya. Solovyov:

For me, there are only orders from the Russian emperor. My answer is always the same: I listen.

And then among ordinary people there was a well-known saying:

Together with the Russians, we are 150 million, and without the Russians - two vans.

Another version of the second part of the proverb: "we are without the floor of the camion floor" - the floor of the truck.

A poster paraphrasing this saying was displayed in Belgrade by Crvena Zvezda fans on March 23, 2017 during the meeting of the basketball team of this club with the Greek Oliampiakos. This was done on the eve of the friendly match between the football teams "Crvena Zvezda" and Moscow "Spartak", which was to take place two days later, on March 25:


During the reign of Nikola I (in 1875), Bosnia and Herzegovina rebelled against the Ottomans. In April 1876, an uprising began in Bulgaria, which was brutally suppressed, up to 30 thousand people became victims of the punishers. In June 1876, Serbia and Montenegro declared war on the Ottoman Empire. About 4 thousand Russians volunteered for that war, among whom were: General M. Chernov, artist V. Polenov, revolutionary populist S.M. Stepnyak-Kravchinsky, famous surgeon N. Sklifosovsky and even the notorious Erast Fandorin - the hero of B. Akunina.


V. Polenov. Serbian heads on a palisade in a Turkish village, 1876

We will talk about this in more detail in another article, which will talk about Bosnia and Herzegovina.

Only the tough position of the Russian authorities then saved both Serbia and Montenegro from complete defeat: under the threat of Russia's entry into the war, Turkey concluded a truce with these countries. However, a new Russian-Turkish war nevertheless began in April 1877 - after the Ottomans rejected the decisions of the International Conference of Constantinople, which provided for the receipt of autonomy for Bulgaria, Bosnia and Herzegovina. This war ended with the defeat of Turkey on March 3, 1878, when a peace treaty was signed in San Stefano (a suburb of Constantinople). It was under the terms of this treaty that Montenegro gained independence - simultaneously with Serbia and Romania.


By the way, in Bulgaria, March 3 is still a public holiday - the Day of Liberation from the Ottoman yoke.

Montenegro in the XX century


After the outbreak of the Russo-Japanese War, Montenegro declared war on Japan. Regular units of the army of this country did not participate in hostilities in the Far East, but some Montenegrin volunteers turned out to be there. The most famous of them, perhaps, was Alexander Saichich, who became famous as an unsurpassed swordsman. In 1905, he responded to the call of a Japanese samurai and killed him in battle, was wounded in the forehead, nicknamed "Muromets" and a life "pension" of 300 rubles from Nicholas II.


Alexander Saichich

Other well-known Montenegrin volunteers were Philip Plamenac, a full Knight of St. George, who also took part in the Chinese campaign against the Ikhetuanians (1900-1901), and Ante Gvozdenovich, a member of the Akhal-Teke expedition of M.D.Skobelev.

It is curious that the peace treaty between Japan and Montenegro was concluded only on July 24, 2006. It is usually said that Russian and Japanese diplomats were mistaken in forgetting to include a mention of Montenegro in the text of the treaty. But there is an opinion that Montenegro was left in a state of war with Japan deliberately: both sides were dissatisfied with the terms of the Portsmouth Peace Treaty and wished to have a reason for a new war.

On August 28, 1910, Montenegro became a kingdom, and Nikola Njegos became the first and last king of this country.


Nikola I Petrovic-Njegos, Prince (1861-1910) and King (1910-1918) of Montenegro

It is curious that it was small Montenegro that on October 8, 1912, was the first to declare war on the Ottoman Empire, and only 10 days later other Balkan states - Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece - joined it.


Montenegrin mitraleses (in France now all machine guns are called so) 500 meters from the Turkish positions, 1912

Two daughters of Nikola I Njegos were married to members of the Russian imperial family: Militsa became the wife of Grand Duke Peter Nikolaevich, Anastasia became the wife of Grand Duke Nikolai Nikolaevich (he was her second husband). At court they were called "Montenegrins" or "black women".


Militsa and Anastasia

It was they who brought Grigory Rasputin into the imperial palace (but when he acquired "excessive" influence on Nicholas II and especially on his wife Alexandra, they switched to the "high society opposition" and became enemies of the "Elder"). After the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand in Sarajevo on June 28, 1914, they desperately intrigued, seeking through their husbands Russia's entry into World War I. This war destroyed the Montenegrin kingdom. The first successes of 1914 were replaced by the failures of 1915, in January 1916 the Montenegrin front collapsed, the capital of the country, Cetinje, fell on the 14th, and on January 19, King Nicholas I left the country, which was occupied by Austria-Hungary.

On July 20, 1917, the Allies in the Entente decided to transfer the territory of Montenegro to Serbia, which happened on November 26, 1918. Serbian troops entered Montenegro; on December 17, 1918, the Njegos dynasty was declared deposed. Thus, the kingdom of Montenegro lasted only 8 years.

However, in Montenegro, not everyone agreed to join Serbia, as a result, for several years, part of the Montenegrins waged a partisan war.

Nicholas I never returned to Montenegro. He died on March 1, 1921, his son Danilo died on September 24, 1939 in Vienna.


Danilo II Alexander Petrovic-Njegos, Crown Prince of Montenegro

In 1941, after the rapid defeat of the royal troops of Yugoslavia, Mussolini wanted to include Montenegro in Italy, and the Croats and Albanians intended to divide the Montenegrin lands among themselves. However, the Italian monarch Victor Emmanuel III, under the influence of his wife Elena, daughter of Nicholas I, restored the kingdom of Montenegro, but faced an unexpected problem: there were no people willing to become a fake Montenegrin king. Mikhail Njegosh, the grandson of King Nikola and the son of Danila, refused to play the role of an Italian puppet; after him, the great-grandson of the Russian Emperor Nicholas I Roman Petrovich and his son Nikolai evaded this dubious honor. Thus, being a kingdom on paper, Montenegro was ruled at first by Italian governors, and then came under the authority of the German administration.

The first clashes between partisan detachments and the invaders began in July 1941 in Serbia. And then an uprising began in Montenegro, where the partisans took control of almost the entire territory of the country. Most of all, the invaders were shocked that this uprising began on July 13 - the day after the announcement of the creation of a fake independent kingdom of Montenegro (for which, however, as we already know, there was no monarch).

July 13 in a united socialist Yugoslavia was celebrated as the Day of the uprising of the Montenegrin people. And after the collapse of the SFRY, this date is celebrated as the Day of Statehood of Montenegro.

Within a week, the number of Montenegrin rebels reached 30 thousand people. As a result, the Italians had to transfer over 70 thousand soldiers and officers here, as well as formations of Yugoslav Muslims and Albanians. By mid-August, the uprising was suppressed, but up to 5 thousand partisans continued to operate against the occupiers in the mountains. In Serbia, units of Tito's partisans were gaining strength. The Italians could not cope, and to fight the rebels, the Germans transferred up to 80 thousand soldiers to Yugoslavia and two aviation squadrons from Greece, and in November 1941 - even one division from the Eastern Front. Units of Croatian Ustasha and Bosnian Muslims were also widely used, in particular, the SS Khanjar volunteer mountain rifle division (in which Croats, ethnic Germans of Yugoslavia and Muslims served). More details about the Croatian Ustash and SS volunteer divisions will be discussed in other articles.

At the same time, the Resistance forces in Yugoslavia were divided into two parts: the "red" partisans of Tito and the Chetnik monarchists, significantly inferior to them in number.


Partisans J.B. Tito escorting captured German soldiers, autumn 1941


Chetniks of the 2nd Ravnogorsk corps

It is curious that after the landing of the Allies in Italy, many soldiers of the Italian divisions "Taurinense" and "Venice" went over to the side of the Yugoslav partisans, from which in December 1943 the division "Garibalbdi" was formed, which became part of the 2nd corps of the People's Liberation Army of Yugoslavia ...

In the fall of 1944, the troops of the German Army Group "E" under the blows of the NOAU and the Red Army formations went to Hungary through the territory of Montenegro and Bosnia. In total, over the years of occupation, 14 and a half thousand Montenegrin partisans and over 23 thousand civilians of Montenegro were killed.

In July 1944, at the Anti-Fascist Assembly of National Liberation in Kolasin, it was decided that after the end of the war Montenegro would again become part of Yugoslavia. In the new socialist Federation, she received the status of a republic.

After the collapse of the SFRY, Serbia and Montenegro in 1992 united into a new union state, whose fate turned out to be sad: it was disbanded after a referendum held in May 2006, in which the Montenegrins voted for independence.

Montenegro in the XXI century


In 2004, even before the collapse of the last Yugoslav state, Montenegro renamed the Iekava form of the Serbian language (Srpski ezik ekavskogo conspiracy) into “mother ezik” (native). This was done to "make it possible to speak it without calling it Serbian." Meanwhile, in 2011, 43% of Montenegrins named the Serbian language as their native language, while 32% of ethnic Serbs in Montenegro. It is curious that according to the 1909 census, there were no "Montenegrins" in Montenegro at all: 95% of the respondents then called themselves Serbs, 5% - Albanians. That is, the situation was the same as in Ukraine at the end of the 1874th century, when N. Kostomarov (in XNUMX) wrote:

In folk speech, the word "Ukrainian" was not used and is not used in the sense of the people; it means only an inhabitant of the region: whether he is a Pole or a Jew, it doesn't matter: he is a Ukrainian if he lives in Ukraine; it doesn't matter how, for example, a citizen of Kazan or a Saratov citizen means a resident of Kazan or Saratov.

The Montenegrin language, according to linguists, is one of the dialects of Serbian - the already mentioned Iekava form, which refers to “Ekovitsa” (vowels are pronounced softer), while in Serbia itself “Ekovitsa” is widespread (vowels are pronounced more firmly).

Only in 2009 was the first spelling set of the newly invented Montenegrin language published: to emphasize its difference from Serbian, two new letters were added. And in 2010 the first Montenegrin grammar appeared.

The Cyrillic alphabet (vukovitsa) in Montenegro is now crowded out by the Latin (gaevitsa), in which all official documents are drawn up. In Serbia, the workflow is in a letter, and there are even proposals to fine for the use of the Latin alphabet.



Vukovitsa and Gayevitsa

In 2008, the Montenegrin authorities recognized the independence of Kosovo, which the Serbs called a betrayal and a "stab in the back"; the Montenegrin ambassador was even expelled from Belgrade.

In December 2013, the Montenegrin government denied Russian warships a 72-hour technical stop at the port city of Bar to replenish fuel and food supplies, for which payment was guaranteed. In the Russian media, this next foreign policy failure was practically not covered, but in the Balkans, where Montenegro has long been considered Russia's most loyal and consistent ally, this news made a great impression. In March 2014, Montenegro even joined the European sanctions against Russia. And in June 2017, Montenegro joined NATO, becoming its 29th member and pledging to increase defense spending to 2024% of GDP by 2. We can only guess against whom this country is going to fight - together with the USA, Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Turkey and other states of this alliance.

In 2019, the President of Montenegro, Milo Djukanovic, said that “in order to overcome the split between the Montenegrins and Serbs living in the country,” Montenegro needs an autocephalous church separate from the Serbian. Its current head is Mirash Dedeich, excommunicated from the Church, just like the Ukrainian Mikhail Denisenko, better known as Filaret. In Ukraine, for some reason, such actions did not greatly contribute to the establishment of peace between the parishioners of different churches, and in Montenegro, the police had to force the supporters of Dedeich to drive away from the Cetinje monastery, which they wanted to seize. In addition, as you know, the cunning Patriarch Bartholomew of Constantinople deceived the Ukrainian schismatics by giving them a completely onerous tomos.

On June 11, 2019, Filaret stated:

We do not accept this tomos, because we did not know the contents of the tomos that were given to us. If we knew the content, then on December 15 we would not have voted for autocephaly.

But not everyone likes to learn from other people's mistakes, many need their own.

In the following articles, we will talk about Croats, Macedonians, Bosnians and Albanians in the Ottoman Empire.
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  1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 04: 52
    +18
    Valery thank you for continuing the cycle!
    Sometimes it is difficult to accept objective reality, but the Slavic community is increasingly moving away from each other. The question is not even in the Russian chauvinism of the Ural Gamayun (this is me about myself), but probably in education. Three decades ago there was an understanding of Slavic unity, a parable about a broom and a twig. Realization that the Slavs are not an empty phrase! Today,...
    Today, even the call "brothers Slavs" sounds with irony. Sadly.
    Regards, Kote!
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 05: 22
      +8
      Here is the first minus laughing maybe you are arguing?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 14 December 2020 05: 28
        +9
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Here is the first minus, can you argue?

        Osman Turkish set, probably. I have corrected. hi
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 14 December 2020 06: 21
          +9
          So do I. Let them put on, there are still more of us, as it says on the poster. laughing
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 14 December 2020 07: 10
            +7
            In a sense, even a "host" as in one famous song about the Kulikovo field.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 14 December 2020 07: 50
              +4
              Yeah ... smile "As waders whistled on the Kulikovo field ..." (c)
              I will not go further - they will peck. But ... the host is ahead of us, the host is behind us!
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 14 December 2020 08: 04
                +5
                Let them bite.
                It is better not to come very close to seagulls during the nesting period.

                Crystallization is in progress. And people gather in flocks.
                And in my head there is a line from Okudzhava out of harm.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 14 December 2020 08: 26
                  +5
                  Crystallization is in progress.


                  "Thunder has thundered, isolation is in progress ..." (c)
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 14 December 2020 11: 32
                    +5
                    "What should I say to Aunt Hana for the raid?" (from).
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 14 December 2020 11: 46
                      +6
                      Listen, Brit, Filen said what you said, and I say that you are lying, and what do you say? "(C)
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 14 December 2020 11: 55
                        +4
                        "Captain, you will never be a major" (c).
                      2. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 14 December 2020 15: 44
                        +4
                        "You scoundrel, Israel Hanks!" (C)
                    2. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 14 December 2020 13: 33
                      +4
                      Quote: Korsar4
                      "What should I say to Aunt Hana for the raid?" (from).

                      Is it about a boy who always has a few words to say? ))
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 14 December 2020 14: 31
                        +4
                        “Don't worry about these nonsense” (c).
                      2. vladcub
                        vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 31
                        +3
                        "A real man always has something to say" (S)
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 14 December 2020 21: 13
                        +3
                        Slav, the same can be shorter and more specific: "A real man - ALWAYS!"
                    3. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 14 December 2020 15: 56
                      +4
                      "A real gentleman always has something to say!" (C)
                    4. Catfish
                      Catfish 14 December 2020 21: 10
                      +3
                      And - "A gentleman cannot drink with the one he blackmails" (c)
                    5. 3x3zsave
                      3x3zsave 14 December 2020 21: 23
                      +2
                      This is true. In accordance with this rule, the GIBB inspectors enter the service.
                    6. Catfish
                      Catfish 14 December 2020 21: 30
                      +2
                      Excellent!!! And in general, the definition of "gentleman" is in no way associated with the employees of this department.

                      Who from behind the wheel has never dreamed about it.
                  2. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 14 December 2020 22: 00
                    +3
                    "And you are her damned
                    Do not drink, do not drink, do not drink "(c).
                  3. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 December 2020 22: 02
                    +3
                    "And God is with you, with the damned, with your faithful oath" (c)
                  4. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 14 December 2020 22: 05
                    +3
                    "Do not promise a young maiden" (c).
                  5. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 December 2020 22: 29
                    +3
                    "And I was a young girl myself, I don't remember when" (c)
                  6. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 14 December 2020 22: 55
                    +3
                    “I remembered my grandmother as a girl” (in my opinion, folk).
                  7. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 December 2020 23: 08
                    +3
                    If a grandmother, then for sure - a folk. laughing

                    "There is a hut on the mountain,
                    And in her grandmother lives.
                    Oh, and a mischievous old woman
                    She does not give her granddaughter in marriage. "(C)
                  8. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 14 December 2020 23: 16
                    +3
                    “Oh, with a meadow with a meadow” (c).
                  9. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 December 2020 23: 17
                    +3
                    "I will go to Chersonesos
                    I will sell bay there,
                    And then I climbed into the tavern,
                    I'll drink some intoxicating "(c)
                  10. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 14 December 2020 23: 19
                    +3
                    “And there will be, perhaps
                    Stand six months
                    And plunder the edges of Chersonesos ”(c).
                  11. Catfish
                    Catfish 14 December 2020 23: 35
                    +3
                    "The distance is steppe wide, the entire Black Sea region
                    I will meet a Greek in a wide field
                    Akinakom Rubanu on antique mug
                    And then I'll take the horse, the horse is the most expensive "(c)
                  12. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 15 December 2020 00: 47
                    +3
                    "Do not walk, barge haule, close to the shore" (c).
                  13. Catfish
                    Catfish 15 December 2020 01: 27
                    +3
                    "On the shore of the desert waves he stood full of great thoughts" (c)
                  14. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 15 December 2020 06: 16
                    +3
                    “Hands are bare above the elbow,
                    And the eyes are bluer than ice ”(c).
                2. VLR
                  15 December 2020 07: 05
                  +3
                  "Do not walk, barge haule, close to the shore"

                  Cossack in the original
                3. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 15 December 2020 07: 46
                  +3
                  It is difficult to find a canonical original in folk songs.
                  Probably, everyone has their own associations: when they sang, when they listened.

                  Especially for the steppe regions.
                4. VLR
                  15 December 2020 12: 14
                  +2
                  The barge haulers work with the river. There is no point in advising him "not to walk close to the shore."
                5. Korsar4
                  Korsar4 15 December 2020 20: 26
                  +1
                  The choir of the Sretensky Monastery sings about the barge haulers.

                  Probably the Cossack is no less likely. But the Cossacks were on the strings too.

                  And you can approach the shore from different sides. The question is whose shore it is now.
              2. Catfish
                Catfish 15 December 2020 16: 54
                +2
                "Steppe dust curls under the horse's hooves,
                The song of the steppe inhabitants is flowing, the song is daring. "(C)
              3. Korsar4
                Korsar4 15 December 2020 20: 26
                +2
                "Why are you looking at me dark blue?" (from).
              4. Catfish
                Catfish 15 December 2020 20: 28
                +2
                "The car is blue, not the driver." (C)
              5. Korsar4
                Korsar4 15 December 2020 20: 51
                +2
                "The last one, random" (c).
              6. Catfish
                Catfish 15 December 2020 21: 41
                +1
                "In a blue T-shirt, a Komsomol is walking." (C)
              7. Korsar4
                Korsar4 15 December 2020 22: 28
                +2
                "I look after her - there is nothing in her" (c).
              8. Catfish
                Catfish 15 December 2020 23: 30
                +2
                "I keep looking, I don't take my eyes off" (c)
              9. Korsar4
                Korsar4 15 December 2020 23: 37
                +2
                "Officers, Barons and Ladies" (c).
              10. Catfish
                Catfish 15 December 2020 23: 52
                +2
                "Gentlemen officers! Maaalch !!!" (from)

                There will be no illustrations. laughing
              11. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 00: 34
                +2
                "The best poetry is silence" (c).
              12. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 00: 45
                +2
                "Silence of the Lambs"
              13. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 06: 34
                +2
                "Carthage must be destroyed" (c).
              14. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 06: 41
                +2
                Let's do it ... soldier
              15. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 07: 26
                +2
                "Why did you sink the boat?" (from).
              16. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 08: 04
                +2
                "The Soviet government sent a document
                And brought rockets to the boobies,
                And a huge monument was built to the boat
                Which all Adessa is proud of. "(C)
              17. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 08: 06
                +2
                “We make rockets jam” (c).
              18. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 08: 13
                +2
                "Our traces will remain on the dusty windows of empty stores" (v. Narodnoye)
              19. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 08: 48
                +2
                “Maybe by the orange river,
                Little people are already sad there ”(c).
              20. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 08: 50
                +2
                "Far away on Lake Chad, a brooding giraffe wanders" (c)
              21. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 08: 56
                +2
                “You don’t know, you don’t know-
                What is this violin "(c).
              22. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 08: 58
                +2
                "I don't see anything, I don't hear anything, I won't tell anyone anything" (c)
              23. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 09: 11
                +2
                "The fires go out, go out" (c).
              24. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 09: 31
                +2
                "Burn, burn, my star ..." (c)
              25. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 13: 02
                +2
                "Among the worlds, in the twinkling of the stars" (c).
              26. Catfish
                Catfish 16 December 2020 13: 31
                +2
                "The sunset shimmered like the shine of a blade" (c)
              27. Korsar4
                Korsar4 16 December 2020 16: 22
                +2
                “Have you been to the zoo? Did you see the camel? " (from).
  2. Lexus
    Lexus 22 December 2020 03: 51
    +4
    Doppelhertz asset. laughing
  3. Catfish
    Catfish 22 December 2020 04: 30
    +1
    Lyoshka, hello! fellow Glad to see you. Seryoga Corsair, too, do not send. drinks
  4. Lexus
    Lexus 22 December 2020 04: 46
    +6
    I went away and he fled. I miss you all. Sentimental, apparently getting old. drinks
  5. Catfish
    Catfish 22 December 2020 04: 48
    +1
    ... I'm getting old, apparently.


    No, I don't think so. It's just that it's always good with good people. smile
  6. Lexus
    Lexus 22 December 2020 04: 59
    +5
    Our ranks are thinning. We work for wear and tear. This is regrettable, but not fatal. Defeat one demon.
  7. Lexus
    Lexus 22 December 2020 04: 50
    +6
    What wonderful "eyes"! They call for "struggle" and exploits. repeat
  8. Catfish
    Catfish 15 December 2020 16: 52
    +1
    "A good horse is more important to the Cossack,
    To the steppe under the hooves sang,
    Hot blade, yes harmony,
    And women are the last thing! "(C)
  9. vladcub
    vladcub 15 December 2020 11: 26
    +1
    You just need to know who you will "milk"
  • vladcub
    vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 32
    +3
    "Thunder of Victory Take Your Clothes Off" (c)
  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 10: 53
    +4
    In order for unity to be real, we need a Center that will provide it and serve as a point of attraction, and, secondly, Ideology, which will logically and consistently explain why we are uniting.
    The Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, with all their disadvantages, had these two components.
    The modern RF does not have any intelligible Ideology, and it itself is not a center of rallying, but rather the opposite.
    So it's no surprise that the former allies are adjacent to another Center of Power
  • parusnik
    parusnik 14 December 2020 06: 05
    +8
    Slavs, western and eastern, are engaged in finding out which of them is "more Slavic".
    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 07: 01
      +12
      So Alexy, this misfortune is common to us everywhere! The first recorded fact of "massacre" on the basis of some "gamayunists" occurred in a tavern on Mount Kabatskaya in 1874! The day workers of the Mikhailovsky and Verkhneserginsky factories fought. The uniqueness of the situation was that they fought in Nizhni Sergi !!! After every year, on the Spirits day (the first day after Tritsa), the Gamayuns converged on the icy key to find out the unsolved problem of "first-handedness"! They fought in black with chains, drekol and brass knuckles. My father had a scar in his eye from these fun. There were even strict rules for lying and surrendering not to hit and for some reason not to kick. Ended up in killing in 1979! After another five years, a police squad was on duty at the key for the trinity, chasing Gamayuns !!! By the way, my father said that his (outfit) was collected in one of the cities and villages of the Gamayun region!
      And this is among the three hundred thousandth (approximately) of the community of the Ural Gamayunschina, but what about the multimillion community of Slavs? Although, honestly, how many did not communicate with ordinary Slavs from Slovaks and Serbs to Ukrainians and Poles - ordinary guys with their cockroaches but without Russophobia.
      For example, the events of 2014, mazers with Ukrainian roots began waving Nazi flags and shouting Bandera slogans in a nightclub. The Russian chauvinist crushed the "permafrost" backwards! The parents of the offended children filed a statement on their own heads with the police. The composition of Russian hooligans chauvinists: two Ukrainians and Belarusians, one Bashkir, Moldovan, Lezgin, Mongol and Angolan (Negro) !!! To the question of a black man, why did you climb in, a fifth-year student of the Ural Federal University replied, "they beat our people like that!" Ours were - this is a fellow student "Mongol" !!!
      But the composition of the majeroa nationalists killed even more: three Russians, two Ukrainians! Everyone spat from this case, the rejection material was canceled three times, but the guys were not punished. Get the nationalists in full.
      Here is the paradox of Russia and the Slavic world !!!
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 14 December 2020 07: 13
        +7
        We use the "heroic strength" in different ways.
        But in order for it to be, it is important to fall to your land. At least occasionally.
      2. VLR
        14 December 2020 07: 15
        +8
        Previously, the nobility of Montenegro reached out for "buns" to rich Venice, but the people and the clergy all the time gave them a hand. Now the politicians of Montenegro have found a new "Venice" - overseas. And the people, according to the worked out scheme, are turned into a herd consuming TV and the Internet - so as not to interfere. Indulge base instincts and passions, destroy traditional values.
        1. Sergey Oreshin
          Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 10: 55
          +3
          Well, if the people tolerate such an elite and do not particularly protest and overthrow it, then everything suits them.
          1. VLR
            14 December 2020 11: 30
            +6
            There were attempts to protest in Montenegro, but since they were "wrong", directed not against the "bloody tyrant Yanukovych" and not against the "last dictator of Europe Lukashenko", but against the "white and fluffy" NATO bloc (which, without UN sanction in 1999 . as part of Operation Allied Force, bombed Serbia for 78 days, destroying, among other things, 40 thousand residential buildings, 422 schools and 48 hospitals), they did not stand on ceremony with the protesters:
            At the behest of Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic, more than a thousand members of the special forces of the police and the counter-terrorism unit of the Ministry of Internal Affairs dispersed the protesters in front of the country's parliament in Podgorica. At the same time, the security forces beat unarmed people, actively used tear gas, and the protesters' tents were bulldozed. Dozens of people were injured as a result of the forceful action.

            For almost two years, the trial of "conspirators" continued in Montenegro, who were accused of planning riots on the day of parliamentary elections on October 16, 2016, under the leadership of GRU agents, assassinating Prime Minister Milo Djukanovic and preventing Montenegro from joining NATO. The defendants were sentenced to imprisonment for terms of up to 15 years.

            Two citizens of Russia were also convicted in absentia.
            1. Sergey Oreshin
              Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 13: 25
              +3
              If there really were a lot of people, then what could 1000 special forces have done with them?
              If tens of thousands of Turkish soldiers and dozens of great Ottoman sultans over the centuries could not crush the Montenegrins - then Djukanovic and his "guard" - all the more, they would have swept them in the best traditions of past eras.
              But it seems to me that a significant part of Montenegrins are satisfied with the current state of affairs
        2. vladcub
          vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 28
          +1
          Everywhere and everywhere so
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 14 December 2020 07: 08
    +7
    Thank you, Valery.
    It's good when legends come together
    Morning lesson in historical geography.
  • mr.ZinGer
    mr.ZinGer 14 December 2020 08: 34
    +2
    Fun as always.
    I would like to ask the author if there is any intention to highlight the topic of Serbs and Montenegrins in the Russian service. The same Admiral Voinovich and General Miloradovich, etc.
    1. VLR
      14 December 2020 08: 43
      +5
      If only at the very end, if this topic is still boring by that time smile
      1. mr.ZinGer
        mr.ZinGer 14 December 2020 10: 07
        +3
        Thanks for the answer, we are waiting.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 14 December 2020 10: 08
    +1
    In 2011, 43% of Montenegrins named the Serbian language as their native language, while 32% of ethnic Serbs in Montenegro. It is curious that according to the 1909 census, there were no "Montenegrins" in Montenegro at all: 95% of the respondents then called themselves Serbs, 5% - Albanians. That is, the situation was the same as in Ukraine at the end of the XNUMXth century.

    Why be surprised?

    And there and there was in the 20th century there was the same regime, baking new artificial "nations" like pies, inventing them "ancient" separate nats of culture, "languages" and "writing".
    1. pytar
      pytar 14 December 2020 10: 47
      +11
      And there and there was in the 20th century there was the same regime that baked new artificial "nations" like pies, invented them "ancient" separate nat cultures, "languages" and "writing".

      The communist regimes pursued a similar national policy in the USSR and the SFRY. So in the SFRY, the "Bosnian nation" was created from the Serbs and Croats of the Mohamedans, and the "Macedonian nation" from the Macedonian Bulgarians. There was an artificial crushing with far-reaching consequences! As for the Montenegrins, at least they had their own long separate history and statehood. hi
      1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
        Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 12: 10
        +7
        Putar, good day!
        We all have phantom pains and dreams of a great Russia, no less great Bulgaria or Serbia. At one time Dmitriev very long and "tediously" pushed in the Soviet Union the version about "non-Macedonians - Bulgarians"! This happened back in the 30s and 40s during the Comintern! A similar situation was with the last emperors of Russia.
        But the Macedonians do not consider themselves to be Bulgarians, although many consider themselves to be "under-Serbs"!
        However, like the Ukrainians! Unleash the Third Balkan War? Or just let go, live richly and happily. They themselves will come running and ask under your wing. Sad and poor, they will sit and seek their own happiness!
        Best regards, Vlad. However, this also concerns us.
        1. pytar
          pytar 14 December 2020 13: 39
          +5
          Good afternoon, Vladislav! hi
          We all have phantom pains and dreams of a great Russia, no less great Bulgaria or Serbia.

          These are completely different things and concepts! In principle with "great", mean the historical period of the greatest power and territorial expansion of the states! For Bulgaria this was in the 9-10th century during the reign of Tsar Simeon the Great. Then Bulgaria was a multinational empire.

          Since the Bulgarians had been under Ottoman slavery for centuries, after their liberation in 1878, they had no idea of ​​rebuilding "Great Bulgaria"! The task was different - the unification of ethnic lands with the Bulgarian population! National liberation and unification, not conquest territories with foreign, non-Bulgarian population!

          This just aspiration collided with plans to create a "Greater Serbia, Greece, Romania", which underwent conquest of the regions from a different population, mainly Bulgarian. These countries freed themselves earlier, created their own states earlier and took the path of territorial expansion earlier. Bulgaria, for obvious reasons, did not need foreign lands with a foreign population, because a third of the Bulgarian population remained under foreign rule.
          At one time Dmitriev very long and "tediously" pushed in the Soviet Union the version about "non-Macedonians - Bulgarians"! This happened back in the 30s and 40s during the Comintern! A similar situation was with the last emperors of Russia. But the Macedonians do not consider themselves to be Bulgarians, although many consider themselves to be “under-Serbs!” But like the Ukrainians!

          Since I myself am originally from Macedonia, and my relatives live there, I can tell a lot. I prefer to give you one link with a very adequate article written by a Greek.
          https://mikle1.livejournal.com/11637605.html

          Unleash the Third Balkan War? Or just let go, live richly and happily. They themselves will come running and ask under your wing. Sad and poor, they will sit and seek their own happiness!

          We don't need any wars. This is not a solution! In my understanding, "Macedonism", "ukroizatsiya", etc., are a deviation, a disease that unfortunately attacked our relatives. They don't realize they are sick! It is necessary to treat patiently, for a long time! The entire ideology of these invented nations stands on a lie! Lies can go on for a long time, but they are not eternal! The Truth is eternal!
          Best regards, Peter! hi
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 14: 52
            +6
            Quote: pytar
            In my understanding, "Macedonism", "ukroizatsiya", etc., are a deviation, a disease that unfortunately attacked our relatives. They don't realize they are sick! It is necessary to treat patiently, for a long time! The entire ideology of these invented nations stands on a lie! Lies can go on for a long time, but they are not eternal! The Truth is eternal!

            With these lines, Peter, I fully agree, that is true, then it is true !!!
            I will share other interesting information. I myself am a native of the Urals, was born on the western slope of the mountains of the same name in the town of Nizhnie Sergi. Once these were the borders of the Volga Bulgaria, which is evidenced by a number of etiological markers. For example, Mount Sholum (Sholm) and others. I wonder how you feel about the Eastern Bulgarians and the peoples that made up its community (Mari, Zyryans, Mordvinians, Udmurts, Chuvashes). A question without a second thought and a second bottom. It's just that Peter is interesting.
            Two Bulgaria in history and so different, although one nation served as the catalyst for their emergence.
            Regards, Vlad!
            1. pytar
              pytar 14 December 2020 17: 37
              +7
              I wonder how you feel about the Eastern Bulgarians and the peoples that made up its community (Mari, Zyryans, Mordvinians, Udmurts, Chuvashes). ... Two Bulgaria in history and so different, although one nation served as the catalyst for their emergence.

              I am more or less familiar with the Chuvashes, I confess I know little about others. Similar customs, typical national clothes! If you don't know whose photo you might think that ours are Bulgarian / Macedonian /. Similarity in mentality - calm, non-aggressive, well-meaning people! Somewhere I saw diagrams of genetic markers in Bulgarians and Chuvashes. The similarity is obvious, they differ in one sector - the Bulgarians have a strong Slavic / Thracian contribution, and the Chuvashes have from the peoples closest to their residence, which is quite logical. On this basis, we can assume that the ancestors, the "catalyst" as you said, are common. Since much is still unknown in science, Vanga's words on this occasion are of interest:
              "The earth will open and reveal who the Bulgarians are. It is not true that the Bulgarian nomads. Where they went, states sodavali and white cities / built / "
              "The Bulgarian letter is one of the oldest on Earth ... Bulgaria is ancient! It gave a lot to the world, but the world will give it a lot too .."
              Here about Macedonia, Vanga herself, by the way, is a "Macedonian":
              "Macedonia is a Bulgarian land. It is not a state, but a part of the Bulgarian territory. The truth will come out in plain sight, be calm."
              By the way, medieval Bulgaria has a huge, underestimated contribution to the formation of Russian civilization. The Russian civilizational code is a continuation, development of the early medieval Bulgarian. He passed through Kievan Rus to later Russia. This gives reason to say that Bulgaria is a small Russia, and Russia is a big Bulgaria. In fact, two parts of one whole. I guess Ross. nationalists will meet "on the knife" my judgment, but I think so. bully
              Best regards, Peter!
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  • pytar
    pytar 14 December 2020 10: 43
    +8
    It is curious that it was small Montenegro that on October 8, 1912, was the first to declare war on the Ottoman Empire, and only 10 days later other Balkan states - Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece - joined it.

    The assertive Montenegrins did not wait for the time agreed with the allies of Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece to declare war on the Ottoman Empire. As a result, the allies found themselves in a difficult position, since they had not yet finished preparing for hostilities. They had to start the war earlier, which created certain problems.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 25
      +2
      Here wisdom is appropriate: "I hurried - I made people laugh"
  • Sergey Oreshin
    Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 10: 50
    +2
    The title of the article is weakly correlated with its content: about half of the text is devoted to the post-Turkish history of Montenegro.
  • Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 11: 39
    +9
    As far as I remember, Montenegro could be easily divided into two parts: mountainous and seaside.
    Many Muslims live along the coast of the Adriatic, this is clearly seen by the number of mosques, you can often find Albanians who differ significantly in language from the Montenegrins themselves. The people living by the sea are, indeed, mainly focused on European values, on the resort business, on drawing money out of everything that is possible in order to invest it in the construction of another extension to the house to receive new tourists. They are always fussing, imposing themselves, many black-eyed and dark-haired, dress brightly, houses with flat roofs, palm trees on the streets.
    In the mountainous part, life is somewhat different. The people there are calmer, more dignified, slower, no one fusses, is not in a hurry, people dress discreetly. All the inhabitants of the mountainous part of Montenegro I met were fair-haired and light-eyed, as if they were even taller. smile Instead of palm trees, there are Christmas trees, high gable roofs on houses, I have not seen a single mosque, but Orthodox churches and entire monasteries are often found.
    And according to conversations, the conditional "mountaineers" of the conditional "Primorye" slightly despise, as, indeed, and vice versa. The "Highlanders" consider the "Lowlanders" vain, stupid, cunning and unprincipled, the same, in response, contemptuously speak of the "highlanders" as savages and fools.
    In short, very different people, economic interests, their political preferences, respectively, are different. Roughly speaking, some want fair purchasing prices for honey, nuts and wine, while others want the European Union and tourists from Germany ... smile
    I think, if it once again brings it to those regions, it will be necessary to look for some mini hotel in the mountainous part of the country, on the banks of some Tara or Morachi. During the day I will wander the mountains, scare wild goats and lizards, fish for trout and swim in a mountain river, in the evenings I drink cheap local homemade wine and sing along with the locals their songs, which I will quickly learn, fortunately, the language is almost one. Well, you can go to the sea a couple of times, draw in, so to speak, the hustle and bustle of the city, with casinos and depraved girls, splash in a warm salty liquid, gaze at the moonlit path under the crackle of cicadas - and back ...
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 14 December 2020 11: 57
      +5
      That was not. But mountain forests are always interesting.
      And the climate cannot but affect the character of the inhabitants of the places.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 13: 10
        +5
        Quote: Korsar4
        That was not.

        So do I. smile
        For an hour and a half I managed to wander along the Moraca in its upper reaches, to swim in it with a "yellow gop" - I found a whirlpool under a rock, there was already "with handles". The water is fifteen degrees, or even less, but the thrill ... And wandered through the forest for another hour, stopped somewhere between Zablyak and Tara (the famous bridge over the canyon), saw a pine forest, decided to go out and take a look. Almost like in Karelia, only warmer, instead of raspberries, blackberries and steeper rocks. smile
        In Zabljak, while a leisurely punctured wheel was being repaired, we chatted with the locals - I’m in Russian, they’re in Serbian, but somehow they understood each other ... We stopped a couple of times in local villages - to ask for directions, and just to chat - it’s interesting. Well, even when they also went to Lake Skadar, I also chatted a little with the locals, but the tourism business has already penetrated here, people are not the same.
        It was then that I had the idea that it would be even more interesting to rest in the mountains than by the sea. smile
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 14 December 2020 14: 35
          +4
          I like the mountains. But the older daughters approached this more seriously.
          How not to rejoice at the opportunity to pick persimmons from a tree.
          And down how fast it goes.
    2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 14 December 2020 11: 58
      +4
      Good day, Mikhail, thanks for the advice!
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 13: 32
        +5
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        thanks for the advice

        Greetings, Vlad.
        I can give one more. smile
        Going to those lands, if you really plan to rest in not very "touristy" places and communicate with locals, and not with hotel managers, you need to take some of your souvenirs with you, well, I don't know, there are mugs with views of Yekaterinburg, key rings, badges - a trifle, in short, some kind. But with the name of the city or its symbols. By the sea - everything is tied to money, any service, help - offer money, they will understand you correctly and thank you. Not so in the mountains. There, they may be offended by the offer of money, but offering such a souvenir is the very thing.
        In a village we stopped for the way to ask, grandfather was sitting on a bench, I saw a well in his yard, asked for water. He brought out a bottle of wine. I offered him money - waved my hands, offended. I then asked my wife to take a small towel from the bag with the Peter and Paul Fortress and the Cathedral, handed it to him, showed the inscription "St. Petersburg", he took it, thanked, then his wife or daughter-in-law did not take it out, brought more hazelnuts from home, lent us. .. In short, we got to know each other, parted just almost friends.
        I liked the people there, in general. smile Down by the sea you won't find that.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 14 December 2020 14: 24
          +3
          Misha, good afternoon. Did the old man know that you were Russian and in what language did you communicate?
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 17: 36
            +3
            Hello, Glory.
            I think about my nationality my grandfather (you cannot call him an old man, such a cheerful man of about sixty with a magnificent mustache and in a straw hat) immediately guessed, at least he did not ask. It was hard not to guess there - I had a cap with a two-headed eagle and the inscription "Russia" on it. smile He spoke in Serbian, I in Russian, inserting words in Serbian, which he managed to learn. By that time, we had already spent a week in Montenegro, so that, with active communication with the locals, we understood something, moreover, I constantly read "Sports Journal" there - this is a daily newspaper, like our "Sport Express", and in general I tried to you can communicate more with the locals. It's funny for them, it's funny for me. I didn't understand the local announcers on television, but more or less people on the street.
            The first experience of communication in Russian-Serbian - I saw a snake below from the bridge. I asked a local guy who was also looking at her: "What's the name?" and point a finger at it. At first he did not understand, then he realized, he says: "A water snake." Well, then I realized that we would agree. smile I ask: "Poisonous?" He does not understand. I told him: "Well, poison. Poison." He: "Ah! No, not poisonous." So there you can talk to almost everyone. I picked up several synonyms of the word, one of them will fall, they will understand you.
            1. VLR
              14 December 2020 18: 09
              0
              About conversations with the locals. Something recalled how I tried to communicate with an Arab in the UAE. The locals are big bosses and are very respectful. And so a young local Arab, all in white, walks through the hotel, and behind him is a retinue of Indians, to whom he gives valuable instructions on what to do and how. And I'm looking at an unfamiliar tree. He comes up and I ask him (in English): they say, do you know what kind of plant it is and whether its fruits are edible? You have no idea how surprised he was - his eyes just went to his forehead. He looked around and said: "Are you asking me this?" I say yes". He understands that he has nowhere to go and answers something. I did not understand him, but I see that I put the person in an awkward position. I smile broadly and say, they say, thank you, "I am very grateful to you." He smiles even wider, we shake hands with each other and part.
              In general, they still have a "white man" complex. In the small emirate of Umm al-Quwain I accidentally got on some local holiday near the museum (there was even television filming something) and asked permission to take pictures with local children who had musical instruments in their hands - an adult who accompanied them .. He easily agreed, the children, to my surprise, very willingly approached me. Teacher photographed
              me with them and on my camera too. And after that there was a line of adults who wanted to take a picture with me.
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 20: 01
                +2
                Funny story, I mean about an Arab and a tree. smile
                I have not been to Arab countries, yes, in general, I did not have any desire. I don't like hot countries at all. Montenegro is the last thing I had from my southern trips and time has passed since then ... Yes, it was 2012, the Olympics were in progress, so I read "Sports Journal" all the time.
                We then chose Montenegro only because we counted on the ease of communication with the locals. Before that we were in Turkey, there is only English, but that's not it. English there is known only to those who are interested not in you, but in your grandmother. Or neither one nor the other is interesting.
                By the way, I wanted to ask, Valery, on this list:
                General M. Chernov, artist V. Polenov, revolutionary populist S. M. Stepnyak-Kravchinsky, famous surgeon N. Sklifosovsky and even the notorious Erast Fandorin - the hero of B. Akunin's novels.

                I was interested in the last person. Did Fandorin have some kind of historical prototype that drove to Montenegro, or is it just a joke? At first I smiled, and then I thought, maybe you know something, and I shouldn't have smirked here?
                1. VLR
                  14 December 2020 22: 46
                  +1
                  Yes, what are you, what is Fandorin's prototype. But in The Turkish Gambit, Fandorin appears as a fugitive from Turkish captivity, in which he fell in Bosnia, and finds himself in the Russian-Turkish war of 1877-1878.
                  By the way, why is there only English in Turkey? There you can talk to almost anyone in Russian. At least in the tourist areas.
                  1. Trilobite Master
                    Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 22: 58
                    +2
                    Quote: VlR
                    There you can talk to almost anyone in Russian

                    For a long time, apparently, has not been ... smile
                    However, this does not change the essence - all the same, only those who know English (German, Italian, etc.) know Russian, namely those who are interested in your money. However, in Turkey, it didn’t even occur to me that I could leave the hotel and dash off to the mountains or somewhere else on my own ... Only to the nearest bazaar, at best. The rest is only under the supervision of the guides. smile
        2. tlauicol
          tlauicol 14 December 2020 14: 26
          +3
          in the bay of Kotor, normal towns and mosques are not visible. The Venetian Middle Ages. People are simple, apart from the big Herceg Novi by their standards, maybe. And Bar, Budva - yes, it's pop. Mosques seem to be closer to Bar and come across to the south
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 17: 59
            +3
            We, one might say, have traveled almost all of Montenegro - from Kotor to Ultsyn and into the mountains to Tara. In general, yes - the closer to Albania - the more Muslims. And closer to Croatia, Catholics appear. But this is all on the coast. In the mountains there are only Orthodox.
            1. vladcub
              vladcub 14 December 2020 20: 34
              +1
              What do you think: _ are they "conditionally" believers or really believers?
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 21: 41
                +3
                They take religion (symbolism, ritual), it seemed to me, seriously, if the question is about the Orthodox. This is for them as a way of self-determination, apparently. And how about faith itself - I don't know. I have not spoken to anyone on this topic.
                But the Muslims there, in my opinion, are somehow not very zealous.
                We sit in a cafe, at the next table local men drink beer. Suddenly, some mournful howl spreads. Wife: "What is this?" Me: "Probably, the muezzin calls for namaz." Saw there a mosque nearby. One of the men from the next table with a beer in his hand, and so, with an accent, but in Russian: "Are you a Muslim too?" Me: "No. Are you a Muslim?" "Yes. How do you know about muezzins and namaz?" "I read it somewhere. Why?" "Yes, so, I look, like a Russian, but he speaks like a Muslim ..." He turned around and continued drinking beer.
                That is, they don't worry about it at all.
                1. vladcub
                  vladcub 15 December 2020 11: 49
                  +2
                  An interesting topic: who and how relates to religion. My youth passed among Muslims, and in my time, a few units were believed, and the rituals were observed as a fun ritual. By the 90s they became more serious about religion, but now? Whom I know well, they prefer not to take a steam bath, but these are urban, and in the outback they are already different.
        3. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 14 December 2020 15: 52
          +1
          My compliments to all honest company !!! I never felt drawn to the Balkans ... Maybe because I left my heart in Spain ...
          1. VLR
            14 December 2020 17: 21
            +2
            And in the process of work, I wanted to visit Bulgaria, where I had not been smile
            It was her for some reason, not Montenegro or Croatia.
            Maybe I'll get together sometime.
    3. Sergey Oreshin
      Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 13: 28
      +4
      Indeed, Primorsky Montenegro was for a long time a part of the Venetian Republic, the Republic of Dubrovnik, and then - Austria-Hungary. It became part of Yugoslavia only after WWI and, accordingly, is more "west-oriented" than the actual territory of the Black Mountains.
      Real Montenegro is precisely mountainous regions
    4. vladcub
      vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 23
      +2
      Misha, you described the Montenegrins so vividly that I saw as if alive: black-eyed zips that strive to sniff you some nonsense. So whack on the Black Sea coast
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 14 December 2020 17: 42
        +2
        Quote: vladcub
        black-eyed zips

        Well, not all. Much more of these belly belts. But yes, sometimes annoying.
  • vladcub
    vladcub 14 December 2020 14: 18
    +2
    "in 1852, Metropolitan Danilo2Petrovic Njegos accepted the title of Prince of Montenegro", probably, he liked the secular life more. Valery, did he retain the title of Metropolitan?
    To some extent, Danilo1 Njegos created a semblance of the Anglican Church. It is very convenient: there is no need to ask the blessing of the Metropolitan. You bless yourself, you forgive your sins
    1. VLR
      14 December 2020 14: 46
      +1
      No, these were already real princes and even 1 king.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 49
        +1
        Valery, if I understand correctly: purely secular princes went with Danilo1 Njegosh, and there were already other metropolitans?
        1. VLR
          14 December 2020 16: 49
          +1
          Yes, how did everyone get
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 December 2020 15: 09
    +3
    I wish you all good health. And Valery thanks for the story.
    Thanks to Valery, I learned a lot about the Balkans
  • vladcub
    vladcub 14 December 2020 15: 42
    +1
    Quote: Sea Cat
    Crystallization is in progress.


    "Thunder has thundered, isolation is in progress ..." (c)

    "loud thunder of victory" (c)
  • 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 14 December 2020 16: 25
    +2
    I knew something, I didn't know something ...
    Thanks anyway, Valery!
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 December 2020 17: 01
    +1
    "The Montenegrins are returning after the battle" Valeriy, except for you there is no one to ask, I noticed that they have a red flag, what is this connected with?
    1. VLR
      14 December 2020 17: 06
      0
      Well, actually, in medieval Europe, the red flag is a symbol of martial law. Probably so here too.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 14 December 2020 21: 22
        +1
        Probably something else here. Rather, there are some historical and national symbols here.
        Pushkin has a cycle of poems about the South Slavs and there is about: Napoleon and the Montenegrins, but I read it back in school and I only remember something about red hats. Perhaps this is interconnected
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 14 December 2020 17: 18
    0
    Colleagues, I have a question: the metropolitan-monastic rank, and in Montenegro the metropolitans were from the Njegos clan. How is this possible, after all, families are childless if one brother is a monk and the other is childless?
    1. Sergey Oreshin
      Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 17: 30
      +1
      The nephews inherited their uncles, the metropolitans.
      1. Astra wild2
        Astra wild2 14 December 2020 20: 42
        0
        But there were also childless or only daughters?
        1. Sergey Oreshin
          Sergey Oreshin 14 December 2020 23: 07
          +1
          No, the Njegosi clan was very large, many children were born, so each metropolitan had quite a few brothers and nephews.
          So the choice was great))