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Data on the resumption of construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline confirmed

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The information that the construction of the final section of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is being resumed is being confirmed. Several weeks ago, there were reports that they plan to resume laying the pipe along the bottom of the Baltic Sea before the end of this year. Today, the information about the resumption of construction of SP-2 is announced by the company that owns the project - Nord Stream 2.


The construction of the gas pipeline was resumed in German waters. The work is currently carried out by the ship "Fortuna". According to the latest information, the crew of this vessel will lay a pipeline of short length - about 3 km at a depth of less than 30 m.

The approval of the pipe-laying work with the German regulator was previously confirmed.

As a reminder, in total, less than 150 km of the pipeline remains to be laid. At the same time, nothing has been reported about whether the work will continue after Fortuna carries out work on the mentioned 3-kilometer section.

Recently, the press has been providing information on the movements of another pipe-laying vessel - "Akademik Chersky". But, according to the latest information, this vessel is not on the SP-2 laying route.

Data on the resumption of construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline confirmed


At the moment, "Akademik Chersky" is located several dozen nautical miles from the coast of the Kaliningrad region. In principle, he can also join the work after a certain time.
Photos used:
https://www.marinetraffic.com, Nord Stream 2
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 11 December 2020 18: 10
    +5
    Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where. request
    1. Rusland
      Rusland 11 December 2020 18: 15
      +20
      Well, as usual, he went there too. sad
    2. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2020 18: 18
      +36
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where.

      The Germans are completing their part with ours, but the Danes cannot
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 11 December 2020 18: 24
        -9
        Data on the resumption of construction of the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline confirmed
        Does old man Biden know? and "Chersky"? the Germans may have relaxed the rolls, but the Master can land them at any moment. IMHO.
        1. Egoza
          Egoza 11 December 2020 18: 45
          +7
          Quote: Aerodrome
          Does old man Biden know?

          As long as Biden doesn’t, it’s possible to lay it. Later, while the inauguration, while it is sorted out ... we will have time to lay it. If only some "idi.et" does not intervene.
          1. Aerodrome
            Aerodrome 11 December 2020 18: 47
            -27%
            Quote: Egoza
            Quote: Aerodrome
            Does old man Biden know?

            As long as Biden doesn’t, it’s possible to lay it. Later, while the inauguration, while it is sorted out ... we will have time to lay it. If only some "idi.et" does not intervene.

            perhaps ... although, to be honest, spit. to a workman from the Urals it is in no way ... from "absolutely".
            1. Dodikson
              Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 43
              +18
              and a hard worker from the Urals, like his wife. a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary that is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom?
              1. Svarog
                Svarog 11 December 2020 20: 12
                -29%
                Quote: Dodikson
                and a hard worker from the Urals, like his wife. a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary that is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom?

                Dodik, are we a gas station?
                And a teacher or a nurse will receive a European salary, like throwing another pipe?
                1. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 11 December 2020 20: 21
                  +15
                  that is, the meaning of what is written does not reach you?
                  I kind of hinted that oil and gas is HALF of the budget, but the second half is filled with what? can you guess?
                  and we don't have a dollar that you can print and not produce a damn thing at all.
                  1. Svarog
                    Svarog 11 December 2020 20: 34
                    -26%
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    I kind of hinted that oil and gas is HALF of the budget, but the second half is filled with what?

                    Can you back up the hint with numbers?
                    but the second half is filled with what? can you guess?

                    nope .. I can’t even imagine, if you please, educate ..
                    and we don't have a dollar that you can print and not produce a damn thing at all.

                    And this is for general education ..
                    1. Dodikson
                      Dodikson 11 December 2020 20: 53
                      +26
                      For your reference, Russia produces all types of equipment, special equipment, construction and road equipment, ships, tankers, submarines, airplanes and helicopters of all classes, a leader in the supply of grain, one of the leading powers in the energy sector (I'm not talking about oil and gas, about nuclear developments, and this is not only nuclear power plants, these are all kinds of RTGs and other developments).
                      Can you name a Polish plane or helicopter?
                      and the tank? and the air defense system? and the reactors? You are here writing about their special equipment - what kind of equipment is it and what engines are on it?
                      1. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 December 2020 20: 56
                        -27%
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        You are writing here about their special equipment - what kind of equipment it is and what engines are on it

                        You want to tell me about the superjet .. well Dodik .. google how many domestic parts it contains .. then please list it, it will not be difficult for you .. there are not many of them, like in everything that you list here .. where China is easier there .. where Germany is more difficult ..
                        Well, in general, if it were as you imagine, would our engineers have a salary of 25 thousand. And in general, what kind of engineer is this with a salary of 25 thousand?
                        Eh .. Dodik .. Dodik ..
                      2. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 11 December 2020 21: 12
                        +23
                        1) in addition to the superjet, the MS-21 is also being tested in Russia, Boeing and Airbus also have Russian components, Boig and Airbus have now also become Russian aircraft?
                        1a) Will Poland be able to create and build the Su-57? well, at least the Su-35.
                        yes damn it, at least she will master the MiG-29?
                        and the Il-476? and the Tu-160?
                        2) I advise you to talk to people from the defense industry, only trolls from the State Department receive 25 thousand, and the defense industry receives more than 40 thousand, and this is on assembly lines, in the design bureau for a long time more than 60-70 thousand.
                      3. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 December 2020 21: 19
                        -25%
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        1) in addition to the superjet, the MS-21 is also being tested in Russia

                        Is being tested .. is being tested .. whose avionics? and it may take decades from testing to series .. and then, even if a competitive aircraft works out, where will we sell it? Their own market is extremely small .. but they are not allowed on strangers ..
                        1a) Will Poland be able to create and build the Su-57? well, at least the Su-35.
                        yes damn it, at least she will master the MiG-29?

                        Glory to the USSR! If it were not for the Bolsheviks, the burghers would have cleaned their boots to the crunch of a French roll ... only the burgher would have crunched ...
                        I advise you to talk to people from the defense industry, only trolls from the State Department receive 25 thousand, and the defense industry receives more than 40 thousand, and this is on assembly lines, in the design bureau for a long time more than 60-70 thousand.

                        In the defense industry it is possible .. but this is 800 euros .. you laugh at the rare personnel (in Europe the unemployment benefit is higher) and people who forge the shield of the state .. and you laugh because this is not the state, but LLC ..
                      4. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 11 December 2020 21: 33
                        +25
                        our avionics, and how funny it is to watch how the good gentleman began about the fact that ours do not know how to do a damn thing, and ends up - yes, you can do it, but still we will not buy it from you, which means that nobody needs it and you have nothing will not and will not work.
                        and for the record - in Russia there have always been bright minds. and under the empire the same way.
                        and again it's funny to watch how the good gentleman changes his shoes sharply, now 70 thousand is not enough for them, if a person from the defense industry comes and says that in general there is a salary of 150 thousand rubles. good gentleman will say that it is impossible to live on 150 thousand because it is a shame not to be able to buy a Bugatti Veyron, but everyone knows that if you do not have a Bugatti Veyron, then you are not a man, a rogue and your life is worthless, but in the states, everyone there is a bum on a Veyron and 2 Lamborghini Diablos.
                        here are those cross.
                      5. Svarog
                        Svarog 11 December 2020 21: 35
                        -32%
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        now 70 thousand is not enough for them, if a person from the defense industry comes and says that in general there is a salary of 150 thousand rubles. good gentleman will say that it is impossible to live on 150 thousand because it is a shame not to be able to buy a Bugatti Veyron

                        Hallucinate further .. not long left ..
                      6. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 11 December 2020 21: 39
                        +21
                        yes no, it won't be long for you, if on the 16th the electors support Trump, then there will be such a riot that it will not be up to the funding of people like you.
                        and the Runet will quickly clear itself, and all this vomit will disappear, which proves to us that we are worthless, that we have nothing, we can do nothing.
                        and this vomit knows that soon they may become unemployed and it is very annoying.
                        any reminder of this to them like a sickle in .... heart.
                      7. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 11 December 2020 22: 52
                        +14
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        there will be no funding for people like you.

                        No, this one is definitely not on the salary. This is one of the local "alternative-ideological" cycloids, hidden under the "epic" nicknames. Sometimes it is worth going here just to read their very funny nonsense. There is, for example, among them tovarisch Gardamir - this is completely unique, able to squeeze a comment about "bad government" even to an article about the special forces of Sierra Leone. True, all this quickly gets boring, because they have everything about one thing, with standard cliché phrases. And they run in circles like those horses in the circus. yes hi
                      8. Dodikson
                        Dodikson 12 December 2020 02: 02
                        +7
                        so the fact of the matter is that there are people who coordinate such insane.
                        the performers themselves may not be paid, but those coordinators receive grants and smear the bread with caviar, not butter.
                        and I personally know the blessed ones. childhood friend, no one wants to communicate with him anymore, because during any party he reduces everything to the fact that everyone needs to rise and go to overthrow Putin. but someone coordinates him and his type of like-minded people, he communicates with some kind of Pavel, who throws links to him and he climbs out of his skin but rushes to those links and vomits very profusely
                      9. Paranoid50
                        Paranoid50 12 December 2020 11: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Dodikson
                        coordinate such insane.

                        Yes, for such an audience, a throw-in-throw-in made in time can be equal in effect to a whole campaign. Clip thinking, it is. yes
                  2. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 12 December 2020 00: 14
                    -14%
                    Should the electors support Trump?
                    Will discord begin?
                    They forgot to mention the Yellowstone volcano.
                    And also about the imminent collapse of the dollar, capitalism and the worldwide victory of communism.
                  3. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 12 December 2020 01: 13
                    +8
                    Quote: Cosm22
                    Should the electors support Trump?
                    Will discord begin?
                    They forgot to mention the Yellowstone volcano.
                    It’s a pity for Papuans with pygmies, they freeze as hell, because of the volcanic winter, everyone will get from this cataclysm for three years, so let him doze for himself, this Yellowstone.
                    Quote: Cosm22
                    And also about the imminent collapse of the dollar, capitalism and the worldwide victory of communism.
                    I don’t know about capitalism, but your optimism in terms of the invincibility of the dollar is very shaky, more its crumbling is literally around the corner, by turning on the machines for printing green candy wrappers, which are not weakly rattling the increase in the US debt from 26 to 30 trillion literally in the coming months. If you have a lot of babos in green, then convert them to gold, real estate, grain, plastic for bottling water and packaging for bandages and cotton wool. In general, plastic will be in demand in the form of any container, both for packaging and for burying everything that is packed into it. Bad times come however.
                  4. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 12 December 2020 02: 03
                    +3
                    yes, the probability is small, because according to the law, the electors must vote for the one whom the state voted for, but the procedure itself is not spelled out what to do if the elector takes and does not do as he should, and here the Supreme Court comes into play, and there is also no procedure for this occasion, and discord may begin not comic.
                  5. Cosm22
                    Cosm22 12 December 2020 11: 04
                    -4
                    The US Supreme Court rejected Texas's claim to review the presidential election results.
                    And he found no reason for Texas to dispute the election results in 4 other states.
                    How are we going to do this now? Still hoping for Yellowstone volcano?
                  6. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 12 December 2020 15: 32
                    0
                    And how would you comment on the claims of 17 states regarding elections in 4 states?
                  7. Sanichsan
                    Sanichsan 13 December 2020 02: 07
                    0
                    Quote: Dodikson
                    And how would you comment on the claims of 17 states regarding elections in 4 states?

                    but it will not grow together, what will be better? if we talk about the loss of the US industrial base, then Biden will cope with this better than Trump wink so it would be better not to accept the claims, Biden will ruin everything there faster.
                  8. Dodikson
                    Dodikson 13 December 2020 02: 43
                    -3
                    Trump wants to remove the FRS from power, it is much more profitable for us than the collapsed state bloc, especially since the state military was not going to collapse, neither under the Democrats nor under the Republicans
                2. Cosm22
                  Cosm22 13 December 2020 10: 05
                  0
                  Do you know how to use the Internet?
                  The US Supreme Court dismissed the Texas suit, supported by 17 other states and more than 100 Republican congressmen. The lawsuit challenged amendments to the electoral laws of 4 states - Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
                  What else is incomprehensible?
                3. Dodikson
                  Dodikson 13 December 2020 10: 38
                  -4
                  Texas may be, but the rest?
  2. poquello
    poquello 11 December 2020 21: 42
    +2
    Quote: Svarog
    If not for the Bolsheviks,

    )))))))))))))) if not for the Bolsheviks from what moment?
    )))))))))))))) "we play here, we don't play here"
  3. Svarog
    Svarog 11 December 2020 21: 45
    -17%
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: Svarog
    If not for the Bolsheviks,

    )))))))))))))) if not for the Bolsheviks from what moment?
    )))))))))))))) "we play here, we don't play here"

    Yes, all this is the development of the USSR .. Everything is absolutely that has not yet been put into production, but is being tested .. And the USSR is the Bolsheviks ..
    So we play everywhere .. only you play for the legacy of those whom you haite ..
  4. Dodikson
    Dodikson 11 December 2020 21: 47
    +4
    Which USSR enterprise developed composites for the SU-57?
    which design bureau in the USSR made AFAR for the Su-57?
  5. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 13: 41
    -6
    Quote: Dodikson
    Which USSR enterprise developed composites for the SU-57?
    which design bureau in the USSR made AFAR for the Su-57?

    Are you sure that they were not on "Buran"?
    There were. But all these technologies are either fucked up or sold over the hill by you, who voted with your heart for the drunkard fight.
  6. Dodikson
    Dodikson 12 December 2020 15: 28
    0
    In what drunken stupor are you comparing ceramic hot plates from Buran with a radio-absorbed composite coating from the Su-57?
  7. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 20: 20
    -2
    Quote: Dodikson
    In what drunken stupor are you comparing ceramic hot plates from Buran with a radio-absorbed composite coating from the Su-57?

    How everything started. What has ceramics to do with it, what has the SU-57 coating?
  8. Dodikson
    Dodikson 12 December 2020 21: 10
    -3
    darkness, the Jews already have a memory like an aquarium fish, he forgot that he answered the question
    Which USSR enterprise developed composites for the SU-57?
    which design bureau in the USSR made AFAR for the Su-57?

    and when he answered, he remembered Buran, the surface of which was made of heat-resistant materials, the main ones of which were ceramic hot-plates, and now when it turned out again that he was, to put it mildly, mentally inadequate, he had a question, what has ceramics and the Su-57 to do with it.
    darkness .... it's not even mushrooms.
  9. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 21: 39
    -2
    Dodik, for the especially gifted I will descend to explain.
    We were talking about composite materials -
    Quote: Dodikson
    Which USSR enterprise developed composites for the SU-57?

    I realized that we are talking about structural composites (elements of the airframe made of carbon fiber)
    Carbon fiber in Russia is produced by the Composite holding, where the fiber is used to form parts for missiles, aircraft (including the SU-57), etc. I don’t know. By the way, on the "Buran" there were still parts made of carbon fiber, but then the technology of their manufacture was lost together with the "Buran" by such clever people as you.
    Yes, also, delta wood, which was used for the construction of airplane gliders before and during the Second World War, is also a composite tongue
  10. Dodikson
    Dodikson 13 December 2020 00: 05
    -3
    what you understood, or thought, or dreamed of, nobody cares. ANYONE,
    I am those who write that EVERYTHING that has been done in today's Russia is the makings of the USSR asked the question - and why the hell are you with your "I understood" got into a question in which you do not understand the word at all?
    I, too, can go into articles about Israeli weapons and write that these are all developments of the USSR and the entire military industry of Israel rests on the Soviet past, and prove this by the fact that Israeli military companies employ people who received education and experience back in the USSR.
  11. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 13 December 2020 01: 42
    0
    Quote: Dodikson
    I can also go into articles about Israeli weapons and write that

    fool fool
  12. poquello
    poquello 11 December 2020 22: 03
    +6
    Quote: Svarog
    Yes, all this is the development of the USSR .. Everything is absolutely,

    I do not think that under the tsar they would shave with an ax, revolutions are organized to weaken the state. Undoubtedly, the subsequent exit of Soviet Russia to the world rate of development was expensive, but I am sure - even with a different development of events in 1905-1917, Russia would not have stood still.
  13. Svarog
    Svarog 11 December 2020 22: 10
    -13%
    Quote: poquello
    I do not think

    This is the key .. for zaputins hi
  14. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 12 December 2020 00: 23
    -2
    Quote: poquello
    revolutions are organized to weaken the state.

    The Great French Revolution, the English Revolution is the same? Can you tell me who organized them?
  15. poquello
    poquello 12 December 2020 01: 07
    +1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: poquello
    revolutions are organized to weaken the state.

    The Great French Revolution, the English Revolution is the same? Can you tell me who organized them?

    for the communists a revelation probably))))) - they were not alone.
    English church - Venice,
    English parliamentary - by the local treasurer,
    "great" French with the execution of Louis - Duke Philip
  16. aleksejkabanets
    aleksejkabanets 12 December 2020 01: 11
    -3
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: poquello
    revolutions are organized to weaken the state.

    The Great French Revolution, the English Revolution is the same? Can you tell me who organized them?

    for the communists a revelation probably))))) - they were not alone.
    English church - Venice,
    English parliamentary - by the local treasurer,
    "great" French with the execution of Louis - Duke Philip

    All in order to weaken the state?
  17. poquello
    poquello 12 December 2020 01: 24
    0
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    All in order to weaken the state?

    form questions in a bag, sorry, now it's time to sleep
  18. poquello
    poquello 12 December 2020 21: 23
    -1
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: poquello
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: poquello
    revolutions are organized to weaken the state.

    The Great French Revolution, the English Revolution is the same? Can you tell me who organized them?

    for the communists a revelation probably))))) - they were not alone.
    English church - Venice,
    English parliamentary - by the local treasurer,
    "great" French with the execution of Louis - Duke Philip

    All in order to weaken the state?

    Well, the goal is not the only one, and different forces are involved, the time of the French revolution is the time of the struggle between France and England for a new world, Beaumarchais gave the British a light, the British did not remain in debt
  19. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 13: 42
    0
    Quote: poquello
    It was costly for Russia at the world rate of development, but I am sure that with a different development of events in 1905-1917, Russia would not have stood still.

    Well, of course I wouldn't. But it is not known what heights it would have reached.
  20. poquello
    poquello 12 December 2020 21: 12
    -2
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: poquello
    It was costly for Russia at the world rate of development, but I am sure that with a different development of events in 1905-1917, Russia would not have stood still.

    Well, of course I wouldn't. But it is not known what heights it would have reached.

    the period of revolutions in RI coincided with the scientific and technological revolution, draw conclusions, this actually indirectly explains the technical growth under the Bolsheviks
  21. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 21: 44
    0
    Quote: poquello

    the period of revolutions in RI coincided with the scientific and technological revolution, draw conclusions, this actually indirectly explains the technical growth under the Bolsheviks

    Yes, it is clear that the Bolsheviks and the scientific and technological revolution are incompatible concepts. The scientific and technological revolution in the USSR took place by itself.
    It is so similar to - "WWII was won not by Stalin, but by the people. And not thanks to him, but in spite of"
  22. poquello
    poquello 12 December 2020 21: 49
    -1
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: poquello

    the period of revolutions in RI coincided with the scientific and technological revolution, draw conclusions, this actually indirectly explains the technical growth under the Bolsheviks

    Yes, it is clear that the Bolsheviks and the scientific and technological revolution are incompatible concepts. The scientific and technological revolution in the USSR took place by itself.
    It is so similar to - "WWII was won not by Stalin, but by the people. And not thanks to him, but in spite of"

    ))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) and rightly so RI and NTR are incompatible concepts, and then about a plow and a bomb, and Stalin won the war without the people, despite the words of Stalin himself
  23. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 23: 13
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    but correctly means RI and NTR concepts are incompatible

    Yes. RI has lagged behind in technical development so much that even the USSR, with its powerful development, was not able to catch up with the Western countries in some areas. It is never easy to catch up. But a solid breakthrough was made. And all thanks to the Bolsheviks so unloved by you.
  24. poquello
    poquello 12 December 2020 23: 27
    -2
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    RI has lagged behind in technical development so much that even the USSR, with its powerful development, was not able to catch up with the Western countries in some areas.

    a very stupid statement, firstly because "so strong that even" it is like 80cm from the floor to .. in one joke, and secondly "the revolution coincided with the scientific and technological revolution" this is not about how far behind it, but about the time of the scientific and technological revolution in Russia of that period , the growth in the number of railways, manufactories and factories
  25. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 13 December 2020 02: 13
    0
    Quote: poquello
    I do not think that under the tsar they would shave with an ax, revolutions are organized to weaken the state.

    actually, to change the tuning. "weakening the state" is a fetish of Russian propaganda. not very smart but apparently based on the target audience request
  26. poquello
    poquello 13 December 2020 21: 54
    -1
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: poquello
    I do not think that under the tsar they would shave with an ax, revolutions are organized to weaken the state.

    actually, to change the tuning. "weakening the state" is a fetish of Russian propaganda. not very smart but apparently based on the target audience request

    ) well, yes, because the Japanese emperor very much did not like the formation of the Republic of Ingushetia during the war
  27. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 14 December 2020 00: 22
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    ) well, yes, because the Japanese emperor very much did not like the formation of the Republic of Ingushetia during the war

    in 1905? I agree. there Japanese money was quite obviously present, but that was the goal of Japan, not the 1905 revolution. you are confusing cause with effect. wink
  28. poquello
    poquello 14 December 2020 00: 52
    -1
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: poquello
    ) well, yes, because the Japanese emperor very much did not like the formation of the Republic of Ingushetia during the war

    in 1905? I agree. there Japanese money was quite obviously present, but that was the goal of Japan, not the 1905 revolution. you are confusing cause with effect. wink

    that's exactly the cause and effect of this fetish of propaganda, as well as reforms, system changes and other beautiful bait so that the people are led, the money was given under the task - to weaken RI, because
    Quote: SanichSan
    that was Japan's goal
  29. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 14 December 2020 01: 01
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    that's just the cause and effect is a fetish of propaganda, as well as reforms, system changes and other beautiful bait so that the people are led

    come on! but in 1917 it was the change of order that took place without Japanese and German money wink
    or won in Iceland in 2008. quite a revolution but without devastation for some reason ...
  30. poquello
    poquello 14 December 2020 01: 14
    -1
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: poquello
    that's just the cause and effect is a fetish of propaganda, as well as reforms, system changes and other beautiful bait so that the people are led

    come on! but in 1917 it was the change of order that took place without Japanese and German money wink
    ...

    )
    “My task was to get in touch with parties hostile to the government in order to work out a scheme of how to keep Russia in the war and prevent the coming to power of the Bolsheviks supported by the Central Powers” ​​[171].
    Somerset Maugham
  31. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 14 December 2020 01: 22
    -2
    Well, Duc, the Bolsheviks did not take money and did not rely on the support of the foreign bourgeoisie wink and their goal was not devastation, but the building of a new society, with which in the end they coped.
    and again about Iceland. Why is there no devastation, but there is a revolution?
  32. poquello
    poquello 14 December 2020 01: 34
    -2
    Quote: SanichSan
    Well, Duc, the Bolsheviks did not take money and did not rely on the support of the foreign bourgeoisie

    )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) ))))))))))))))))))))))
    Quote: poquello
    supported by the Central Powers»

    well, yes, they are honest)
    Quote: SanichSan
    and again about Iceland

    how is Iceland? I'm completely purple what's in Iceland
  33. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 16 December 2020 01: 02
    -1
    Quote: poquello
    well, yes, they are honest)

    honest or not, but quite forward-thinking. Lenin is still unable to show anything except fakes about German money wink
  34. poquello
    poquello 16 December 2020 02: 34
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    Quote: poquello
    well, yes, they are honest)

    honest or not, but quite forward-thinking. Lenin is still unable to show anything except fakes about German money wink

    holy man))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
  35. Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 16 December 2020 02: 38
    0
    Quote: poquello
    Holy man )))))))))))))))))

    whoa! for the first time I see that they were written down as saints for not taking money from the bourgeoisie belay
    but in principle, norms, I see that you have nothing to say in refutation wassat
  36. poquello
    poquello 16 December 2020 03: 31
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    I see that you have nothing to say in the refutation

    Duc like this
    Quote: SanichSan
    can not present anything
  37. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 12 December 2020 04: 42
    +1
    Change your nickname ...
  38. Victorio
    Victorio 12 December 2020 16: 47
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    You want to tell me about the superjet .. well Dodik .. google how many domestic parts it contains.

    ===
    this is bad, according to current realities. but here is the situation for the Brazilians:
    // If you look at the Brazilian Embrayer - a direct competitor to the Superjet Embraer E-Jets, the picture is as follows:
    if all the design and all tests of the Superjet were carried out in Russia, then at Embrayer it was carried out with the involvement of foreign performers;
    the glider, including the Superjet wing and empennage, are entirely Russian; at Embrayer, parts of the fuselage, the wing and empennage are produced abroad;
    PCM products for Superjet are produced at VASO, at Embrayer they are all imported;
    the metal for the Superjet is Russian, the Embrayer has both rivets, and the metal is imported. 100% titanium for E-Jets is supplied by the Russian VSMPO-AVISMA. etc.
    Sukhoi Company JSC is 100% owned by the Russian Sukhoi Company PJSC, while Embrayer was owned by the Brazilian government by 0,3% and Brazilian banks by 33%. On May 23, 2019 Boeing announced that a joint venture with Embraer for the production of commercial The aircraft, which is 80% controlled by Boeing, will be named Boeing Brasil - Commercial, and thus the name Embraer will be removed from the name of the joint venture. However, E-Jets is still considered a Brazilian aircraft built by the Brazilian company. //
  39. Imobile
    Imobile 11 December 2020 21: 54
    +1
    it is not necessary to produce everything, you can buy it. Let's say I can solder the TV, but I'd rather buy it, and you do everything with your own hands or buy. I'd rather do what I can, but buy what I need.
  40. Snail N9
    Snail N9 11 December 2020 22: 58
    +3
    In fact, as far as we know, the main problem was that under the threat of sanctions, all insurance companies refused to insure any ships participating in this project. And without insurance, no resumption of work is possible. I am therefore not interested in the fact that Fortuna will lay some meaningless 3 km of pipeline, I am wondering WHO agreed to insure ships on this project? On what conditions and for what money?
  41. ccsr
    ccsr 12 December 2020 11: 25
    +1
    Quote: Snail N9
    And without insurance, no resumption of work is possible.

    Who will prevent the Russian government from placing the entire insured amount (possibly even in physical gold) on the deposits of the same Chinese banks as collateral for payments in an insured event. Of course, this is not profitable for us, and hemorrhoids, but Chinese banks will not refuse to have that kind of money for a long period for zero interest, and even getting a bonus for maintaining the account. I think that such options, up to the creation of a joint insurance company, have already been discussed with some countries, at least from the BRICS.
  42. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 12 December 2020 00: 01
    +4
    Quote: Imobile
    it is not necessary to produce everything, you can buy it. Let's say I can solder the TV, but I'd rather buy it, and you do everything with your own hands or buy. I'd rather do what I can, but buy what I need.

    It is precisely this approach of our liberota, which is widely present in the economic block of our government, and led Russia to the fact that in order to carve an ordinary bolt for a super-duper hypersonic rocket, we need to turn to a foreign uncle who has a CNC machine that allows do it. Ideally, the country should independently produce any product and for any whim, and at the same time enable the foreign manufacturer to compete with the domestic manufacturer, so that he does not sleep like a crucian in a pond, relying on the fact that they will buy everything anyway. This is normal competition, when the buyer, choosing quality, votes with a ruble. But when the buyer has no alternative, he is stupidly forced to buy what the foreign manufacturer will bail him. Your approach, in general, deprives your manufacturer of the ability to produce something and develop any new technologies, because everything can be bought from someone else's manufacturer (D.A. Medvedev almost word for word), that is, it involves a blunt rejection of its own development and a voluntary transition to external dependence. Slave logic. negative
  43. Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 13: 45
    -1
    Quote: Imobile
    it is not necessary to produce everything, you can buy it. Let's say I can solder the TV, but I'd rather buy it, and you do everything with your own hands or buy. I'd rather do what I can, but buy what I need.

    From the standpoint of an individual - yes, but from the standpoint of the state? Didn't the sanctions teach you anything?
  • poquello
    poquello 11 December 2020 21: 37
    -1
    Quote: Svarog
    Can you back up the hint with numbers?

    111 billion
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 December 2020 21: 42
    -10%
    Quote: Dodikson
    and we don't have a dollar that you can print and not produce a damn thing at all.

    Sometimes you just want to say:

    Quote: Dodikson
    a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary, which is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom?

    You, Hamlo, would have learned the rule of speaking to elders in "you" and would not show here hopeless stupidity:

    But even this does not mean that injections into the salaries of teachers and nurses are being filled in proportion to the increase (decrease) in taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom. Putin's promises to increase salaries of nurses in 2018 and bring them to 100% of the regional average have not been fulfilled.
    Fortunately, effective managers of Gazprom and Rosneft were not affected by this ...
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 11 December 2020 22: 51
      +3
      So to open a clinic and schools like billionaires in the heat and pay as much as you see fit, Stanford where all the tech companies came from is living on donations from former graduates and no one there pays professors from the state budget, this is wildness, they have a norm to throw a couple of billions into charity and no one does not whine that sms are dropped. What's the problem, don't you know how to make money? all whine that the state owes you something, that Putin will settle everything? Shouldn't and no one will settle it, it's no longer communism
      1. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 12 December 2020 00: 28
        -5
        Quote: Rubi0
        all whine that the state owes you something, that Putin will settle everything? Shouldn't and no one will settle it, it's no longer communism

        Tell me, why then do I need a state that owes me nothing?
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 12 December 2020 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Tell me, why then do I need a state that owes me nothing?

        Well, at least to protect the country's territory from encroachments on our wealth. And a number of other obligations are imposed on the state - foreign policy, education, and partly medicine. This is what we all have to pay for, and whoever does not want to, follow the example of Daria Lykova and forward into the taiga, where everything will be free for you and no one will force you to pay any taxes, because Mishustin will not get there with the tax authorities. I don't like taiga, so you can go to the mountains or to the tundra - there is enough space for everyone ...
      3. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 12 December 2020 12: 04
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        Well, at least to protect the country's territory from encroachments on our wealth.

        It is possible in more detail and without pathos, what are these "our riches"? I have only five children from "wealth".
        Quote: ccsr
        And a number of other obligations are imposed on the state - foreign policy,

        It copes very well with "foreign policy", for example, it can be seen in Ukraine.
        Quote: ccsr
        education, and partly medicine.

        My children are family-taught, because in my outback, this is the only way to get a more or less decent education. For medicine, let's keep silent better. And yes, why is it "partially medicine"?
        Quote: ccsr
        take an example from Daria Lykova

        We are already slowly moving towards Daria Lykova.
        Quote: ccsr
        Mishustin won't get there with the tax authorities

        Have you heard anything about indirect taxes?
      4. ccsr
        ccsr 12 December 2020 12: 39
        +3
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        It is possible in more detail and without pathos, what are these "our riches"? I have only five children from "wealth".

        Do you live on the street or have you bought your house? Or do you pay to educate children? Or medical insurance does not work for your children? Maybe they didn't give you maternity capital, or don't they pay extra for children? What is it all about? By the way, in Moscow you would not pay for parking, but I am obliged to do this, even though I am a pensioner - this is how the state took care of you and your children at my expense by redistributing incoming income.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        It copes very well with "foreign policy", for example, it can be seen in Ukraine.

        Ukraine is just an example of how a narrow-minded population destroyed their state with their own hands.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And yes, why is it "partially medicine"?

        Because the policy does not cover all the costs that may arise. But you yourself agreed to this in 1991, when the people shouted "Down with the Communist Party!" and gave up social gains, including free medicine.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        We are already slowly moving towards Daria Lykova.

        This is a purely personal choice, here I am not your judge.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Have you heard anything about indirect taxes?

        Well, what indirect taxes does Lykova pay?
      5. aleksejkabanets
        aleksejkabanets 12 December 2020 15: 02
        -3
        Quote: ccsr
        Because the policy does not cover all the costs that may arise. But you yourself agreed to this in 1991, when the people shouted "Down with the Communist Party!" and gave up social gains, including free medicine.

        You probably forgot about the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR? In your opinion, the people advocated the privatization of "Chubais" and the rejection of free medicine? What do you take in the morning?
        Quote: ccsr
        Ukraine is just an example of how a narrow-minded population destroyed their state with their own hands.

        Ukraine is another example of how the government divorced its own people. And yet another failure of the Russian foreign policy.
        Quote: ccsr
        Do you live on the street or have you bought your house?

        What is the state's merit in buying a house?
        Quote: ccsr
        Or do you pay to educate children?

        Imagine crying.
        Quote: ccsr
        Or medical insurance does not work for your children?

        Only for me to go to Krasnodar to pick up glasses for my child.
        Quote: ccsr
        Maybe they didn't give you maternity capital, or don't they pay extra for children?

        Have you looked at real estate prices for a long time? And for children, they pay 189 rubles each month.
        Quote: ccsr
        By the way, in Moscow you wouldn't pay for parking,

        Why is it paid at all?
        Quote: ccsr
        even though I am a pensioner, the state took care of you and your children at my expense by redistributing incoming income.

        You are probably delusional, what income is redistributed to me from pensioners?
      6. ccsr
        ccsr 12 December 2020 17: 11
        +2
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        You probably forgot about the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR?

        It’s getting wet on Coke, start over ...
        No referendum was needed, it was just necessary to support the Emergency Committee and everything would have gone differently. But the people did not want to do this. All other talk is in favor of the poor.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And yet another failure of the Russian foreign policy.

        As for the failure, I agree - for too long these Ukrainian parasites were fed by drunk Yeltsin, so they considered that they had the right to do so. Now it seems that Putin has corrected the situation, and I am glad that we left them alone with the West. This is an excellent foreign policy, and the main thing is not at the expense of our people.

        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        What is the state's merit in buying a house?

        You say that you and your children have nothing to live on. Where, then, do such funds come from?
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Imagine crying.

        I can't imagine, because my son graduated from high school in 2019. I paid purely voluntarily for some circles and additional classes, but I could not do it. Who obliged you to pay?
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Only for me to go to Krasnodar to pick up glasses for my child.

        It is strange that you are crying, living in the richest region of Russia - I know this region too well, and I will note that even in Crimea people live poorer. I have been staying in Kushchevka in the Old Mill for many years, and I see how the price has increased in the hotel for a double room - now it is from 2,5 thousand to 3,5 thousand. But I remember when it cost 1,5 thousand rubles to 2 thousand rubles. It's not sickly you live there if you keep such prices. And then what should the rest do?

        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        And for children, they pay 189 rubles each month.

        I will not argue, because I have never received anything for my son, but I know that the payment depends on the region, i.e. from local authorities. Have you tried to deal with them?

        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Why is it paid at all?

        And because we live under capitalism, and capitalism puts profit at the top - this was Marx proved in the 19th century.
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        You are probably delusional, what income is redistributed to me from pensioners?

        My parking fee goes exactly to ensure that large families can park their cars for free for days anywhere in Moscow. Is it clear?
      7. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 13 December 2020 02: 28
        0
        Quote: ccsr
        I will not argue, because I have never received anything for my son, but I know that the payment depends on the region, i.e. from local authorities. Have you tried to deal with them?

        hi
        recently talked with a friend. learned how he lives. turned out to be fine. single mother, divorced. receives alimony from her ex-husband, a hard worker, not a manager in Gazprom. there isn't much. the main one is payments for 3 children and other benefits for single mothers and children. she does not work and at her leisure took up the fact that she designed everything she could. this is enough to raise 3 children without being in poverty and not work request to be honest, I was somewhat surprised, but true.
      8. ccsr
        ccsr 13 December 2020 16: 37
        +1
        Quote: SanichSan
        to be honest, I was somewhat surprised, but true.

        I consider this a normal practice, and if a woman alone brings up three children, then she must be provided with such material assistance so that she can live peacefully without working. Naturally, the alimony from the husband is as it should be, and the state should pay extra for everything else - in this I see the guarantee of our future.
      9. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 13 December 2020 17: 47
        -1
        Quote: ccsr
        Naturally, the alimony from the husband is as it should be, and the state should pay extra for everything else - in this I see the guarantee of our future.

        but here the point is that no one will come to your house with a list and will not convince you that you should take advantage of all these benefits. I do not mean that it is awful and lagging behind, the system just functions like that and not only here but everywhere. Let it be for now. there are benefits and payments, but to get them you need to register, draw up documents, and so on.
        It is interesting that now they have begun to link this assistance program to the website of public services, that is, it will be enough to register and enter the necessary data to see a list of benefits and payments and issue them there. if they can implement it will be a big step good
  • Rubi0
    Rubi0 12 December 2020 13: 24
    0
    "My dear compatriots, do not ask what your country will do for you - ask what you can do for your country" US President Kenedy.
  • Sanichsan
    Sanichsan 13 December 2020 02: 30
    0
    Quote: Rubi0
    US President Kenedy.

    he was shot like what
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 12 December 2020 02: 06
    0
    I generally talked to you, you are uneducated Hamlo.
    first learn the banal rules of conduct and do not get involved in other people's conversations.
  • poquello
    poquello 11 December 2020 21: 36
    0
    Quote: Svarog
    And a teacher or a nurse will receive a European salary, like throwing another pipe?

    a teacher or nurse can still go to Europe and receive a European salary, only living expenses will be European
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 December 2020 21: 41
      -10%
      Quote: poquello

      a teacher or nurse can still go to Europe and receive a European salary, only living expenses will be European

      Just like top managers from Gazprom or Rosneft, they can try their luck over the hill and try to find the salaries they receive here ..
      As for the costs .. you seem to be a pretty sensible commentator .. but with this comment you just surprised .. Do you really think that if our teacher has a European income and their own expenses, it will go to a minus? wassat My friend's wife is a teacher .. 18 thousand .. mortgage 9 thousand .. rent 6 thousand .. three children ..
      I certainly understand .. Goebbels are in fashion ..
      1. poquello
        poquello 11 December 2020 21: 45
        +1
        Quote: Svarog
        Do you really think that if our teacher has a European income and their own expenses, then they will go into a minus?

        why fantasize? the difference in the bottom line is not such as to admire, does the teacher's friend's wife have her own washing machine?
        1. Svarog
          Svarog 11 December 2020 21: 49
          -3
          Quote: poquello
          why fantasize? the difference in the bottom line is not enough to admire,

          In the end, I see German pensioners who travel in droves all over the world and see our pensioners and children who are collecting money via SMS .. I don't understand what you want to say? Do you live in Russia?
        2. poquello
          poquello 11 December 2020 22: 07
          0
          Quote: Svarog
          I see German pensioners traveling in droves around the world

          yaya, natural
        3. Dmitry Makarov
          Dmitry Makarov 11 December 2020 22: 51
          +3
          You need to travel in your youth, and knit socks in retirement. Unlucky German pensioners, and their children, apparently, will face the same fate.
        4. Dodikson
          Dodikson 12 December 2020 02: 07
          +2
          where do you see with your eyes the traveling German pensioners?
          do you live somewhere in another country in the resort area?
        5. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 13 December 2020 02: 33
          0
          Quote: Dodikson
          do you live somewhere in another country in the resort area?

          no, well, that is. I live in St. Petersburg and you can find in museums .. but you have to try. mostly Chinese and not at all retirees.
          and so yes .. this man hangs up noodles for us and makes stupid propaganda flares yes
  • Boris Chernikov
    Boris Chernikov 11 December 2020 22: 17
    0
    Well, while we have small and medium-sized businesses for 3 trillion squeezes taxes to pay, going into the gray zone. Rosneft paid 3,6 trillion rubles in taxes last year.
  • Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 11 December 2020 23: 44
    +8
    Quote: Svarog
    Dodik, are we a gas station?

    Svarog, not for fun, but for the sake of interest, I have a question for you, but why are you not embarrassed by the fact that the same mattresses, having bitten a bit, are fighting with Russia precisely to intercept this very title of "gas and gas stations" and replace Russian oil and gas on the European market with its shale oil and liquefied natural gas?
    Quote: Svarog
    And a teacher or a nurse will receive a European salary, like throwing another pipe?

    Their salary is unlikely, but there is a possibility that the amount of deductions to the budget from the new pipe will allow at least to some extent reduce the tax burden (or increase the salary) of the same nurse and teacher. I understand that in the same "Calibers", "Daggers" and "Ash" a certain percentage of the existing pipes is somehow present. The power of course can be criticized, but not so indiscriminately, in the sense that everything is swept out of the country to zero. Of course, I would like more, but alas, so far hi
    1. Svarog
      Svarog 11 December 2020 23: 54
      -7
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      Svarog, not for fun, but for the sake of interest, I have a question for you, and why are you not embarrassed by the fact that the same mattresses, having bitten a bit, are fighting with Russia precisely to intercept this very title of "gas and gas station" and replace Russian oil and

      -It's money and influence .. in my opinion, elementary. Like Microsoft .. also money and influence .. they took the Bauman Moscow State Technical University, disconnected from the service .. and the mustache on this great ambitions became rotten ..
      a certain percentage of the existing pipes is somehow present

      Exactly..that some..so subtle ..

      The power of course can be criticized, but not so indiscriminately, in the sense that everything is swept out of the country to zero

      That is, if there is a bump on the floor .. then nothing .. gay ..
      1. Salty
        Salty 12 December 2020 00: 22
        +2
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        I understand that in the same "Calibers", "Daggers" and "Ash" a certain percentage of the existing pipes is somehow present

        Quote: Svarog
        That's right ... that a certain ..so subtle ..

        Are you talking again? Or even voice this "elusive percentage", or something. In numbers wink
      2. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 12 December 2020 00: 33
        +6
        You have not answered the question. Why the hell mattresses are fighting for the title of becoming the world "gas-oil-gas station" for Europe, while striving to squeeze Russia, reproaching her for being a "gas-oil-gas station". All dances with sanctions are tied to this topic. Don't you catch any contradiction here?
        Quote: Svarog
        Exactly..that some..so subtle ..

        Yes, the vegetable knows how "barely perceptible" if they go into hysterics for any reason, from elections, gas, "cartoons" with new weapons, etc. Probably this "elusiveness" takes on very tangible contours.
        Quote: Svarog
        That is, if there is a bump on the floor .. then nothing .. gay ..

        Well, it all depends on self-dissolution. If under Yeltsin these demons did not hesitate to practice the entire Kama Sutra, now they can snatch them out for these half-bumps in their faces. They want, but they are afraid, and therefore they use everything that moves around us, from the Baltic to Ukraine. Those along the way do not care and even in joy yes
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 12 December 2020 11: 38
        +4
        Quote: Svarog
        .took MSTU named after Bauman disconnected from service ... and the mustache on this great ambitions rotted ..

        Well, don't lie, my son is sitting at a remote location in the baumanke and no one turned off anything. At first I went to classes for the semester, and then when everyone was pressed, they were transferred to a remote location, like other universities. Where do you get such fantasies? I don't like it, but it would be better if he is healthy than getting infected somewhere along the way or in class.
    2. WIKI
      WIKI 12 December 2020 01: 09
      0
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      biting the bit of mattresses, they are fighting with Russia precisely to intercept this very title of "gas and gas stations" and replace Russian oil

      "Not for fun, but for the sake of interest I have a question for you." How much oil the USA exported to Europe in numbers?
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 12 December 2020 01: 47
        +5
        Quote: WIKI
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        biting the bit of mattresses, they are fighting with Russia precisely to intercept this very title of "gas and gas stations" and replace Russian oil

        "Not for fun, but for the sake of interest I have a question for you." How much oil the USA exported to Europe in numbers?

        Well, presumably, you just asked "for the sake of wrestling", realizing that the question of oil in the phrase "gas-filling station" in the general contest of what was said is not worth it in principle and is more about gas-filled trains, and therefore the number of barrels is not for you This is the same thing when discussing dust on shoes, someone is not satisfied with the definition of "dust" and asks to expand this concept as a percentage of composition into ground dust, pollen from plants, flea dandruff and other crap ... people who, understanding the essence and meaning, are looking for a reason for unnecessary verbiage and squabbles. To be more precise, the cost of gas is tied to the cost of oil, and therefore it is not entirely correct to consider them in isolation from each other, and therefore there is still another term like - " gas-gas station "for you there is no. Such a phrase was necessary precisely because the opponent Svarog considers Russia as a gas station, which is quite consistent with McCain's expression and is operated by different liberotes, absolutely ignoring and not noticing other merits and achievements of Russia.
        1. WIKI
          WIKI 12 December 2020 23: 58
          0
          This is not an answer to a question, but an ordinary verbiage. I hardly read to the end. In this respect, if we measure it by your standards, you are in no way inferior to Svarog. And to your statement “to replace Russian oil,” there is a simple answer from TASS. From which it is clear that the United States exported (took out) 2019 million barrels per day in 3, and imported (imports) 6,8 million. As you can see, they are net importers. And they are not doing this for the sake of ousting someone from the market. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/7836185
        2. WIKI
          WIKI 13 December 2020 00: 14
          -2
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          mattresses biting the bit, fighting Russia

          They are fighting so hard that Russia became the second largest energy supplier in the United States in 2019. This is not "wrestling", but putting a person in their place. Https://www.rbc.ru/business/06/02/2020/5e3a80649a794714280d7303
        3. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 13 December 2020 10: 34
          +1
          Quote: WIKI
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          mattresses biting the bit, fighting Russia

          They are fighting so hard that Russia has become the second largest energy supplier in the United States in 2019. This is not to "wrestle", but to put a person in his place.

          Sir, I have to accuse you of uncleanliness. You have pulled out some of the words from my commentary and are trying to play this part of the phrase in your favor. Why not quote my quote in full?
          the same mattresses, biting the bit, are fighting with Russia precisely to intercept this very title of "gas and gas stations" and replace Russian oil and gas on the European market
          The meaning of what I have said is that the United States is trying to oust Russia from the European market, and you are trying to play with the concepts of who has more "pump".
        4. WIKI
          WIKI 13 December 2020 22: 22
          0
          The meaning of everything that happens to oil in 2020 is that Russia itself gave up a part of the market, and the United States, thanks to a drop in domestic consumption of oil and oil products, increased exports: "A reduction in production by 2,5 million bpd in the Russian version led to a reduction export by 48% (praise to the negotiators of Russia). In this sense, the United States has an even more advantageous situation. More than half of the total drop in oil consumption of 1,7 million b / d occurs in America. The failure of the domestic refining and marketing market allows them to increase exports in the short term. "The market economy, which we have entered into, teaches us lessons. There are no good and bad, but only economic interest. Https://www.forbes.ru/biznes/ 415671-nezametnyy-peredel-neftyanogo-rynka-chto-stoit-za-sdelkoy-opek
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 14: 09
    0
    Quote: Nyrobsky

    ... why are you not embarrassed by the fact that the same mattresses, having bitten a bit, are fighting with Russia precisely to intercept this very title of "gas and gas stations" and replace Russian oil and gas on the European market with its shale oil and liquefied natural gas?

    I apologize for dropping into your dialogue.
    The US has no goal to "intercept the title of" gas and gas station ""
    They just, not wanting to strengthen Russia economically, want to deprive Russia of another source of replenishment of the budget and get a source of replenishment for their own.
    And, of course, there is also a political moment - the influence on old Europe.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 12 December 2020 17: 18
      0
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      They just, not wanting to strengthen Russia economically, want to deprive Russia of another source of replenishment of the budget and get a source of replenishment for their own.

      And why are they not pushing Qatari gas and Saudi oil to Europe, and everyone strives for their own? Something does not fit here, if only because the Arab sheikhs keep their money in the United States, and it would be profitable for them to flood Europe with their energy ...
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 20: 26
        -1
        Quote: ccsr

        And why are they not pushing Qatari gas and Saudi oil to Europe, and everyone strives for their own? Something doesn't fit here, if only because

        Because they are Qatari gas and Saudi oil, not US ones.
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 December 2020 20: 24
    -8
    Quote: Dodikson
    and a hard worker from the Urals, like his wife. a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary that is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom?

    The USSR had neither SP-1, nor SP-2, nor Power of Siberia and South Stream, but it never occurred to anyone that someone would not receive a salary on time.
    1. major147
      major147 11 December 2020 20: 48
      +11
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      The USSR had neither SP-1, nor SP-2, nor Power of Siberia and South Stream, but it never occurred to anyone that someone would not receive a salary on time.

      This is a map of gas pipelines built from the USSR to Europe.
      1. Ross xnumx
        Ross xnumx 11 December 2020 22: 00
        0
        Quote: major147
        This is a map of gas pipelines built from the USSR to Europe.

        Let me clarify, with whose money this network was built?
        1. major147
          major147 11 December 2020 22: 23
          +3
          Quote: ROSS 42
          Let me clarify, with whose money this network was built?

          I think about the state.
      2. bolt
        bolt 11 December 2020 23: 11
        +1
        Quote: major147
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        The USSR had neither SP-1, nor SP-2, nor Power of Siberia and South Stream, but it never occurred to anyone that someone would not receive a salary on time.

        This is a map of gas pipelines built from the USSR to Europe.


        Comrade "Major", when you look at the pictures, you are not too lazy to read the letters to understand what is drawn on them.

        Who built the Blue Stream, Nord Stream and Turkish Stream?

        The Gryazevets-Vyborg pipeline was built in 2005.

        The Yamal-Europe pipeline was built in 1999.

        This is a map of Russian gas supply to Europe. By the way, obsolete, dating back to 2016.

        What does the USSR have to do with it?
        1. major147
          major147 11 December 2020 23: 15
          -3
          Quote: crashing
          be lazy to read the letters,

          For those in the know, that's enough. Or did you have to chew?
          1. bolt
            bolt 12 December 2020 01: 29
            -6
            Quote: major147
            Quote: crashing
            be lazy to read the letters,

            For those in the know, that's enough. Or did you have to chew?


            And yet, do not be lazy to read carefully.

            Whether you chew something or not, believe me, I'm not interested.
      3. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 11 December 2020 23: 17
        0
        Quote: major147
        This is a map of gas pipelines built from the USSR to Europe.

        And these gas pipelines were called SP-1, SP-2, Power of Siberia and South Stream?
        Yes, there were gas pipelines you mentioned, and if you use Dobikson's logic, they were enough to pay all workers in the USSR on time. And today, the gas pipelines I have listed have been added to these gas pipelines, but the salaries are not always paid on time to workers in Russia alone.
        Have you heard my logic, Major?
        1. major147
          major147 11 December 2020 23: 20
          -1
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Have you heard my logic, Major?

          Where are you, and where is the logic? What is the connection between gas pipelines and non-payment of salaries?
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 13: 26
            -2
            [quote = major147]
            Where are you, and where is the logic? What is the connection between gas pipelines and non-payment of salary? [/ Quote]
            And this is you ask Dodikson what you are asking me.
            Dodikson (Dodik) Yesterday, 19:43
            and a hard worker from the Urals, like his wife. a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary that is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom? [/ quote]
            I tried to explain to him that this is not so, but you also minus me, and now you are asking me - "where is the logic?" fool
          2. major147
            major147 12 December 2020 16: 47
            -2
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            You also minus me

            I don’t remember whether I gave you (-) or not, and if I did, then only as a sign of disagreement with the stated position. You don't need to be offended at this, it's just an argument. And here is your "smiley" fool what does it mean?
          3. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 20: 31
            0
            Quote: major147
            And here is the "smiley" fool that you put in, what does it mean?

            Only that you lose the thread of the conversation and draw conclusions from the effect, and not from the cause. hi
          4. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 20: 37
            -1
            Quote: major147

            I don’t remember whether I gave you (-) or not, and if I did, then only as a sign of disagreement with the stated position.

            My position on this issue is simple - the salary of the Ural nurse teacher does not depend on the number of pipes laid to the North, East, South and West. It depends on the quality of power in Russia.
            Quote: major147

            Where are you, and where is the logic? What is the connection between gas pipelines and non-payment of salaries?

            And you seem to agree with me with your question.
  • martin-159
    martin-159 12 December 2020 09: 04
    -1
    To the countries of the "Warsaw Pact".
    1. major147
      major147 12 December 2020 10: 41
      0
      Quote: martin-159
      To the countries of the "Warsaw Pact".

      Have you heard the story called "Gas - pipes"?
  • Vadim237
    Vadim237 11 December 2020 20: 51
    +6
    Then there was a planned economy, now it is a market economy, so there is no point in comparing then and now.
  • Dodikson
    Dodikson 11 December 2020 20: 53
    0
    and when was the pipe built through Ukraine and Belarus and what was it driven through it?
  • DymOk_v_dYmke
    DymOk_v_dYmke 11 December 2020 21: 37
    +8
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    The USSR had neither SP-1, nor SP-2, nor Power of Siberia and South Stream, but it never occurred to anyone that someone would not receive a salary on time.

    In the USSR, yes, there was no question of delaying patches.
    The Druzhba oil pipeline and the Urengoy-Pomary-Uzhgorod gas pipeline did exist.
    The point is not in the presence of pipes, but in the social order. hi
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 11 December 2020 23: 29
      -2
      Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
      The point is not in the presence of pipes, but in the social order.

      What I hinted at to comrade "Dobixon".
      But some commentators disagreed with me, minus me. They probably believe that their happiness and material well-being depends on whether the SP-2 will be completed or not. Blessed is he who believes.
      1. ccsr
        ccsr 12 December 2020 11: 49
        +1
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        They probably believe that their happiness and material well-being depends on whether the SP-2 will be completed, or not.

        Perhaps you think so, and who in the subject understand that the Great Energy War is going on, in which SP-2 is just one of the battles, and we do not want to lose it, because it is very important in order to demonstrate to the world our increased power ... If we correctly assess the future of the planet, then gas in the coming decades will displace oil as a source of energy even in land transport, where gasoline will be replaced by electric energy. And now it is obtained at power plants where gas is the fuel, and the share of such plants will probably decrease, but the physical volumes of electricity they produce will grow - any literate person sees this, based on even a sharp increase in the production of electric vehicles. This means that gas will be needed for many more decades.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 12 December 2020 13: 15
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          They probably believe that their happiness and material well-being depends on whether the SP-2 will be completed, or not.

          Maybe you think so

          This is how you have to turn your brains out to interpret my words in this way. Bravo, colleague.
          Quote: ccsr
          If we correctly assess the future of the planet, then gas in the coming decades will replace oil as a source of energy, even in land transport, where gasoline will be replaced by electric energy.

          Enchantingly laughing From the beginning, gas will expel oil (gasoline) as a source of energy from land transport, and then el. energy will drive out gasoline, already expelled by gas.
          Quote: ccsr
          of electricity will grow - this is seen by any literate person, even on the basis of a sharp increase in the production of electric vehicles. This means that gas will be needed for many more decades.

          Clever. From the beginning, the gas must be converted into electricity. energy, and then email. energy into the mechanical movement of the car. laughing
          Is there any way to directly use gas in this matter?
        2. ccsr
          ccsr 12 December 2020 16: 51
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Is there any way to directly use gas in this matter?

          Do you have any idea about the efficiency, or is it just not in the subject, how do electric motors surpass piston and gas turbine engines in this most important indicator?
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          From the beginning, gas will expel oil (gasoline) as a source of energy from land transport, and then el. energy will drive out gasoline, already expelled by gas.

          This is not at all the case - gas as a vehicle fuel is used now and will be used only as an intermediate stage. And the main purpose of gas will be to use it in large thermal power plants, where electricity will be obtained by burning it. For example, in Moscow, until recently, only in Kapotnya was the only station that used fuel oil, and only because there was an oil refinery nearby. So gas in the capital has won finally.
  • Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 11 December 2020 21: 59
    +2
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    The USSR had neither SP-1, nor SP-2, nor Power of Siberia and South Stream, but it never occurred to anyone that someone would not receive a salary on time.

    Before December 17, there was an increase in the activity of "bots". Words: Stalin, USSR, socialism, Lenin are subjected to massive minus. Therefore, remember one important feature:
    If a person stands out with something against a “gray background”, then “grayness” will not leave him alone.
    PS I don’t want to look in the topics of the past, but I remember how furiously messages were minus, trying to prove that SP-2 would not be completed by December 31, 2019. A year has passed. It is clear that everyone is already fed up with the very process of confrontation between the United States (the main force) and the Russian Federation. But these subjective reasons will not be able to change something and SP-2 and December 31, 2020 will not be commissioned. I am surprised only by one moment: should the Russian Federation be interested in the construction of the SP-2 more than the whole of Western Europe (Germany in particular)?
    It is good that the process has moved forward. It is good that soon the dependence on the Ukrainian pipe (only whose and is it in general?) Will become zero. But!!! "Sorry", maybe enough "pouring boiling water." Let it be completed, and together we will rejoice at the end of the construction. Moreover, each to the extent of the material (or moral?) Satisfaction received at the same time.
    hi
    1. Sunstorm
      Sunstorm 12 December 2020 19: 06
      0
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Before December 17, there was an increase in the activity of "bots". Words: Stalin, USSR, socialism, Lenin are subjected to massive minus. Therefore, remember one important feature:

      I beg you to notice one important feature: a person who is confident in his righteousness, minus and plus ... "deep violet" he continues to defend his point of view, citing facts and arguments, and not sticking labels and stereotypes. However, this certainly does not concern the "revolutionary" public *
  • Lannan Shi
    Lannan Shi 11 December 2020 22: 35
    +2
    Quote: Dodikson
    and a hard worker from the Urals, like his wife. a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary that is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom?

    In Russia, 75 million are able to work. Unemployment is about 5 million. Average salary, according to well, very official data, 52 thousand per month. 13% of income and 5% in foms are deducted from this amount. In total, more than 9.000 per month from an employee, or 650 billion from all. For 3-4 months the income and contributions to the FOMS completely cover the budget of medicine and education. So let's not talk about oil and gas taxes, okay? * They go anywhere but to nurses and schools. Through the official figure and turn on the brain a little. yes
    Well, that's if the authorities don't lie to us. And they cannot lie to us. Default. For, as everyone knows, our guarantor is a prYnts on a white horse, and his ministers are faithful sanchi pans, and all together they are the most truthful fighters for the people's happiness. yes
  • Runoway
    Runoway 12 December 2020 01: 07
    -1
    a hard worker from the Urals, like his wife. a teacher or a nurse from the Urals, wants to receive a salary, which is half provided by taxes from Rosneft and Gazprom?

    Can you tell me why a nurse and a teacher from the Urals with a pipe will receive a salary similar to that of the Negro colonies ?????????? am
    And what kind of magic pipe does Norway have?
    1. Sunstorm
      Sunstorm 12 December 2020 19: 17
      +1
      Quote: Runoway
      And what kind of magic pipe does Norway have?

      I'll try to assume: 1) The area of ​​Norway is 385 thousand km, the population is 5,3 million, they produce somewhere 2,5 million barrels per day ... 2) The area of ​​Russia is 17 million km, the population is 144 million, 10 million barrels per day, 3 ) it is obvious that this is the pipe in the Population. (If the number in the Russian Federation is brought to 20 million and the production level is maintained, then these 20 million will live like the Norwegians, not tested on humans *)
  • Krasnoyarsk
    Krasnoyarsk 11 December 2020 20: 20
    +1
    Quote: Egoza

    As long as Biden doesn’t, it’s possible to lay it.

    Did Biden impose sanctions on SP-2? And they will act regardless of who the president is. HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE ENTIRE FOCUS IN THAT TO FIND THE ONE (THOSE) who will complete it and he (them) will not get anything for it
    1. major147
      major147 11 December 2020 20: 52
      +5
      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
      HOW I UNDERSTOOD THE ENTIRE FOCUS IN THAT TO FIND THE ONE (THOSE) who will complete it and he (them) will not get anything for it

      From sources close to SP 2:
      "When on December 01, Fortuna was already ready to stand on the pipe, and Chersky confirmed the new certificates at the Curonian Spit, it turned out that the number of personnel shifts on both pipelayers with a work permit was not enough to provide four shift work in accordance with German labor legislation and EU Construction could be stopped at any time by the European labor inspectorate.
      Therefore, NS -2 AG decided to postpone the start of construction once again and urgently certify one more shift of workers for both Fortuna and Chersky. But if in the first case it was enough to raid Wismar, then in the second it took another return of "Chersky" to the training ground near Kaliningrad.
      Now, again, if the weather permits, "Fortuna" on December 12 will be on the "second" branch from the German side, and on December 17-18, having finished work on it, it will switch to the "first branch". "Akademik Chersky" will dock to the "second branch" from the Danish side on December 16-17 and will operate on it for about 30 days. Having completely completed the "second branch" by January 20, he will switch to the "first branch" and by about March 1, 2021 he plans to complete the work in general, just in time for the cod spawning in the construction area. "
    2. Cutter
      Cutter 11 December 2020 20: 54
      +5
      The information that the construction of the final section of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline is being resumed is confirmed.

      So let them finish building! Personally, I will be proud of this, although I am not a citizen of Russia ... good
    3. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 December 2020 20: 54
      -5
      good gentleman. you would not go into internal Russian issues, but discuss your native Israel.
      1. Cutter
        Cutter 11 December 2020 23: 15
        +4
        I am a citizen of the Republic of Belarus, Russian by nationality. It makes no sense to sit for a month on JUDGE AND GIVE YOUR SUMMARY about other colleagues ... negative
  • Cosm22
    Cosm22 11 December 2020 20: 41
    +1
    Will we have time to lay?
    And who exactly will be laying in Danish waters?
    For example, 3 German kilometers can be laid in shallow water. And to report that the case has moved forward.
    What's next?
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 December 2020 23: 43
    +3
    Quote: Egoza
    As long as Biden doesn’t, it’s possible to lay it.

    You need to hurry.
  • Grits
    Grits 12 December 2020 02: 34
    +2
    Quote: Egoza
    Unless some "idi.e.t" intervenes

    For example, stupid, pregnant cod
  • ccsr
    ccsr 11 December 2020 19: 09
    +11
    Quote: Aerodrome
    The Germans may have relaxed the rolls, but the Boss can land them at any moment. IMHO.

    You underestimate their interest in our gas. And if they invested their money in this project, they will beat them off in any way. I think that experts have long understood that when the question concerns their money, they seem to listen to the Americans in words, and they themselves will quietly bring the matter to the end. That is why they built LNG terminals as a distraction, but they never announced that they would give up our gas even in the future. Therefore, JV-2 will necessarily be completed, albeit with a delay, and in a few years the question of JV-3 will arise, because transit will be cheaper for them, which means they will lobby for even larger gas supplies to Europe precisely through German hubs. And at the same time, they will always have a pretty penny from the gas pipeline itself, because they will participate in it as an operator and will receive part of transit payments.
    1. ANB
      ANB 11 December 2020 19: 58
      +4
      ... That is why they built LNG terminals as a diversion,

      Well, not really a challenge. Novatek's LNG is well received through these terminals. True, Novateka pays little taxes so far, but this is a fixable matter. And the costs of the plant must be given back.
      1. major147
        major147 11 December 2020 20: 55
        +4
        Quote: ANB
        ... That is why they built LNG terminals as a diversion,

        Well, not really a challenge. Novatek's LNG is well received through these terminals. True, Novateka pays little taxes so far, but this is a fixable matter. And the costs of the plant must be given back.

        If my memory serves me, then most of the terminal construction projects have been frozen under the pretext of great damage to the environment during the extraction of this gas by hydraulic fracturing. So not only the West knows how to put a spoke in the wheels.
    2. Cosm22
      Cosm22 11 December 2020 20: 45
      -4
      If it’s all about money, then that’s where the problem lies.
      For the States can, in principle, impose such sanctions on any company for participating in the project that the loss of money from the unfinished SP-2 will seem like deliverance and the best way out.
      You contradict yourself.
      1. stalki
        stalki 11 December 2020 21: 05
        +1
        If it’s all about money, then that’s where the problem lies.
        For the States can, in principle, impose such sanctions on any company for participating in the project that the loss of money from the unfinished SP-2 will seem like deliverance and the best way out.
        You contradict yourself.
        The Germans are far from being stupid to waste such a chunk of energy at really affordable prices. So far, no sanctions have influenced this global alignment, it was a success, but a reasonable person will not refuse to refuse such a piece, the Germans are a very prudent people.
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 11 December 2020 22: 32
          -1
          So, in fact, there have not been any sanctions yet.
          The real ones. That would fundamentally affect the financial interests of German companies.
          Or maybe. Moreover, such that the exit from the project will seem like heaven.
          By the way, it is not necessary to impose sanctions. Sometimes it is enough just to voice them. And then let the shareholders (their money hang in the air, because all transactions are carried out in a known way) of the companies deal with their management, what to do next.
          And precisely because the Germans are a very calculating people, making a decision can be very difficult. There is a country that is dearer to quarrel with. For the same money, if you think it's all about them.
          1. stalki
            stalki 11 December 2020 23: 04
            +1

            Cosm22
            Today, 22: 32

            0
            So, in fact, there have not been any sanctions yet.
            The real ones. That would fundamentally affect the financial interests of German companies.
            Or maybe. Moreover, such that the exit from the project will seem like heaven.
            By the way, it is not necessary to impose sanctions. Sometimes it is enough just to voice them. And then let the shareholders (their money hang in the air, because all transactions are carried out in a known way) of the companies deal with their management, what to do next.
            And precisely because the Germans are a very calculating people, making a decision can be very difficult. There is a country that is dearer to quarrel with. For the same money, if you think it's all about them.
            There were no sanctions? Yes, they are from the time of tsarist Russia laughing laughing laughing you are somehow behind the times. Don't tell my cowards. You are not here, you need to go to the Western media, there you will be accepted as their own wink
            Ps the case is in geographic location. The rest are all contributing factors.
      2. ccsr
        ccsr 12 December 2020 11: 11
        +1
        Quote: Cosm22
        For the States can, in principle, impose such sanctions on any company for participating in a project,

        Firstly, why then they still did not do it - you cannot answer this question.
        Secondly, not all Western companies do business in the United States and not all use the American currency and their banks in settlements with other companies, especially since new structures can be created from scratch.
        Thirdly, we can complete the construction ourselves even without Western companies, but then we will have to settle the issue of sharing profits with the project participants - they will have to give up their participation and they will have to pay us a penalty. We don’t need this - we still have many prospects for future cooperation.
        So your desire to close this project hardly coincides with the desire of the Germans to make a profit, calculated for many years to come.
        Quote: Cosm22
        You contradict yourself.

        Yes, not I contradict myself, but simply the laws of development of capitalism, described by Marx, have not yet been refuted. So you should not consider your desires a serious argument for denying the theory of Marxism-Leninism.
        True, the founders did not at all assume that in imperialist America white citizens would kiss the shoes of blacks - this introduces some adjustments to the theory of the sequential change of social systems, and makes us look at this state in a different light. At least in ancient Greece and the Roman Empire, patricians did not kiss the feet of freed slaves ...
        1. Cosm22
          Cosm22 12 December 2020 12: 28
          0
          First, I answer right away.
          What for? Why put all the cards on the table at once? It was possible to impose sanctions on SP-2 from the very beginning of construction. But again - why? It is much more graceful to wait for the moment when hundreds of kilometers of pipes and a bunch of dough will be stacked in sea silt, and in the press you can already hear victorious fanfare on the occasion of the completion of construction, and then in one fell swoop land someone on sinful land. It must be admitted that the combination is not bad, no matter how anyone thinks about the United States.
          For the time being, the Germans are simply threatening with a finger: give up this disastrous business. Otherwise we will punish. And they will be punished, rest assured.
          Secondly, list, pliz, all Western companies that participate in the SP-2 project and which have other transaction paths than the world ones. I'm afraid the task will be overwhelming.
          Thirdly, if they could finish the construction themselves, they would have finished it long ago. Everything else is from the evil one. Excuses don't work.
          As for my personal desire, it is somehow purple for me, whether the flow will be completed or not. Its completion will not add money either in my pocket or in the pockets of my acquaintances and friends. None of us are associated with Gazprom, alas.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 12 December 2020 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: Cosm22
            It must be admitted that the combination is not bad, no matter who might think of the United States.

            Your entire combination has not yet been confirmed - Gazprom has not abandoned the completion of the SP-2. When this happens, then you will shine with your knowledge.

            Quote: Cosm22
            For the time being, the Germans are simply threatening with a finger: give up this disastrous business. Otherwise we will punish. And they will be punished, rest assured.

            In general, I do not care what will happen to the Germans - the main thing is that they pay a penalty to us if, through their fault, the construction is stopped and they do not fulfill their contractual obligations, as was the case with the French Mistrals.
            Quote: Cosm22
            Thirdly, if they could finish the construction themselves, they would have finished it long ago.

            You do not seem to be aware that initially the SP-2 did not even mean it.
            Quote: Cosm22
            As for my personal desire - I somehow feel purple whether the flow will be completed or not.

            Here we will stop at this. Why then drove the turbid wave?
  • musorg
    musorg 12 December 2020 12: 14
    0
    It looks like you sir, he has already landed and forever.
  • Terenin
    Terenin 11 December 2020 20: 41
    +5
    Quote: Overlock
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where.

    The Germans are completing their part with ours, but the Danes cannot

    Quote: Rusland
    Well, as usual, he went there too.

    Well, colleagues, not comments, but masterpieces good
    Especially about "the Germans with our ..." laughing
  • Clear
    Clear 11 December 2020 18: 37
    +7
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where. request

    Everything is simple. The completion of the German section is not subject to the already existing US sanctions, since US restrictions will apply to work at a depth of over 30,5 meters. Pipe-laying falls under them only in the Danish section of Nord Stream 2.
    Then boom wait for America to die with its sanctions winked
    1. ul_vitalii
      ul_vitalii 11 December 2020 18: 46
      +8
      Quote: Clear
      Then boom wait for America to die with its sanctions

      Then I'll go decorate the tambourine with ribbons. I will be in the forefront love, that is, with you. repeat
      1. Clear
        Clear 11 December 2020 18: 56
        +5
        Quote: ul_vitalii
        Quote: Clear
        Then boom wait for America to die with its sanctions

        Then I'll go decorate the tambourine with ribbons. I will be in the forefront love, that is, with you. repeat

        Vitaly, I understood correctly that the "tambourine" is Alexey Miller (head of Gazprom) lol
        As the saying goes, sometimes the right blow to the tambourine brings the whole tribe to life ...

        Hi love
        1. ul_vitalii
          ul_vitalii 11 December 2020 19: 09
          +4
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: ul_vitalii
          Quote: Clear
          Then boom wait for America to die with its sanctions

          Then I'll go decorate the tambourine with ribbons. I will be in the forefront love, that is, with you. repeat

          Vitaly, I understood correctly that the "tambourine" is Alexey Miller (head of Gazprom) lol
          As the saying goes, sometimes the right blow to the tambourine brings the whole tribe to life ...

          Hi love

          Yeah. The grateful people will bring the straightener "tambourine" to the Kremlin gently in their arms. Like, show yourself further.
          1. Clear
            Clear 11 December 2020 19: 23
            +7
            Quote: ul_vitalii
            Quote: Clear
            Quote: ul_vitalii
            Quote: Clear
            Then boom wait for America to die with its sanctions

            Then I'll go decorate the tambourine with ribbons. I will be in the forefront love, that is, with you. repeat

            Vitaly, I understood correctly that the "tambourine" is Alexey Miller (head of Gazprom) lol
            As the saying goes, sometimes the right blow to the tambourine brings the whole tribe to life ...

            Hi love

            Yeah. The grateful people will bring the straightener "tambourine" to the Kremlin gently in their arms. Like, show yourself further.

            This person involved (Miller), to all the President's tasks loudly answers "Yes!" and dissolves like Russian gas in Europe. Crooks.
            1. A good one
              A good one 11 December 2020 19: 46
              +3
              Quote: Clear
              Crooks

              Something on the Honor Board of the Kazan station, he is not marked under this chase, it is necessary to advise that they book a place for him for future use. The request for the transfer "Wait for me" did not clarify the situation, they answered like you can't wait.
              1. Clear
                Clear 11 December 2020 19: 49
                +5
                Quote: Not bad
                Quote: Clear
                Crooks

                Something on the Honor Board of the Kazan station, he is not marked under this chase, it is necessary to advise that they book a place for him for future use. The request for the transfer "Wait for me" did not clarify the situation, they answered like you can't wait.

                V. hi , we will assume that after this post, his further career in Russia is hidden behind the horizon yes
                1. A good one
                  A good one 11 December 2020 19: 54
                  +5
                  Quote: Clear
                  hiding behind the horizon

                  And now I will hide behind the door to the bathroom. Tomorrow is Saturday and it pleases. love
                  1. poquello
                    poquello 11 December 2020 22: 44
                    -3
                    Quote: Not bad
                    Tomorrow is Saturday and it pleases

                    who like
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 11 December 2020 20: 11
      +2
      Quote: Clear
      since the American restrictions will apply to work at a depth of over 30,5 meters.

      In 1919, sanctions were imposed not on work, and on shipscapable of working at such depths.

      In 2020, they are extended to companies that help in the modernization or installation of equipment. for all ships for styling it.
    3. major147
      major147 11 December 2020 20: 58
      -1
      Quote: Clear
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where. request

      Everything is simple. The completion of the German section is not subject to the already existing US sanctions, since US restrictions will apply to work at a depth of over 30,5 meters. Pipe-laying falls under them only in the Danish section of Nord Stream 2.
      Then boom wait for America to die with its sanctions winked

      There is information that Comrade Trump was postponing the introduction of sanctions as soon as the gas pipeline did not reach the shallow water, where it could be completed by the forces of the Russian Federation.
  • Piramidon
    Piramidon 11 December 2020 18: 59
    +1
    Quote: Mavrikiy
    Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where. request

    Vrazhin is being confused. lol
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 11 December 2020 19: 29
      +3
      Quote: Piramidon
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      Sorry, I do not understand ... who is what and where. request

      Vrazhin is being confused. lol

      while the enemy is studying the maps, we change the landscape ... manually ... the enemy is lost in unfamiliar terrain ... and .. "DMB (S)"
  • GTYCBJYTH2021
    GTYCBJYTH2021 11 December 2020 19: 46
    -13%
    Let's glorify MOTHER RUSSIA with pipes ... gas and oil ...
    1. mark2
      mark2 11 December 2020 21: 56
      +1
      Than we can. People are more and more sitting on the Internet, criticizing, building projects and accumulating power.
  • Vol4ara
    Vol4ara 11 December 2020 18: 12
    +4
    Chersky turned out to be dusting his eyes while the fortune was being modernized?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      The leader of the Redskins 11 December 2020 18: 17
      -2
      If so, then a new round of sanctions, from which we only get better, is guaranteed.
      1. evgen1221
        evgen1221 11 December 2020 18: 21
        -1
        Yeah, it’s so much better that Chubais flew from his home place about the safety of assets (so as not to squeeze out the honestly stolen) negotiate.
      2. 1976AG
        1976AG 11 December 2020 19: 00
        +4
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        If so, then a new round of sanctions, from which we only get better, is guaranteed.

        So the Americans said that they already don’t know what other sanctions can be imposed, it seems that everyone was already involved
        1. Dodikson
          Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 45
          -2
          no, sanctions have not yet been imposed on my neighbors' cat.
          the caretaker of our kindergarten is also not on the sanctions list yet.
      3. Svarog
        Svarog 11 December 2020 20: 44
        -5
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        If so, then a new round of sanctions, from which we only get better, is guaranteed.

        It will definitely be better .. here for more details ..
      4. Terenin
        Terenin 11 December 2020 20: 46
        +4
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        a new round of sanctions, from which we only get better, is guaranteed.

        As far as I understand, it is better from Western sanctions against Russia, only to the Ukrainian authorities.
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 11 December 2020 20: 50
          +1
          Do not understand correctly! laughing
          The Supreme Commander stated about the usefulness of the sanctions. And Mustache confirmed it ...
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 11 December 2020 21: 09
            +8
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            Do not understand correctly! laughing
            The Supreme Commander stated about the usefulness of the sanctions. And Mustache confirmed it ...

            They, at the same time or what? belay
    2. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 11 December 2020 19: 31
      -7
      Quote: Vol4ara
      Chersky turned out to be dusting his eyes while the fortune was being modernized?

      yeah ... with a crew from "national fishing features".
  • apro
    apro 11 December 2020 18: 16
    -3
    With such tension, the population of the Russian Federation is following the revelations of Nord Stream 2 ... with the hope that they will also break off something ...
    As with the south stream as with the power of siberia ...
    1. Overlock
      Overlock 11 December 2020 18: 23
      +26
      Quote: apro
      with the hope that they also break off something ...
      As with the south stream as with the power of siberia ...

      dreams, dreams - where is your sweetness?
    2. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 11 December 2020 18: 24
      +5
      Yes, every nation has its own pipe, which is what they are rich and proud of. The people of the Russian Federation have a gas pipe, this is employment and the budget of the Russian Federation.
      1. apro
        apro 11 December 2020 18: 27
        -8
        Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
        The people of the Russian Federation have a gas pipe,

        ?????did not know...
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 11 December 2020 19: 09
          +8
          Quote: apro
          did not know...

          This is your normal state.
          1. Terenin
            Terenin 11 December 2020 20: 53
            +7
            Quote: apro
            Quote: Konstantin Shevchenko
            The people of the Russian Federation have a gas pipe,

            ?????did not know...

            Quote: El Chuvachino
            This is your normal state.

            Today's discussion is some kind of concert laughing laughing laughing
            All pluses.
    3. Clear
      Clear 11 December 2020 18: 41
      +6
      Quote: apro
      With such tension, the population of the Russian Federation is watching

      And with what? Who I am not asking, they have no idea request
      1. Piramidon
        Piramidon 11 December 2020 19: 03
        -3
        Quote: Clear
        Quote: apro
        With such tension, the population of the Russian Federation is watching

        And with what? Who I am not asking, they have no idea request

        This refers to those who believe that "gas" money should be transferred to their personal pockets.
    4. 1976AG
      1976AG 11 December 2020 19: 01
      0
      Quote: apro
      With such tension, the population of the Russian Federation is following the revelations of Nord Stream 2 ... with the hope that they will also break off something ...
      As with the south stream as with the power of siberia ...

      You are wrong, no one has hoped for anything for a long time
    5. Dodikson
      Dodikson 11 December 2020 19: 48
      -2
      they follow the flows because they want to know how competitive our state is in foreign policy.
      now we have seen that the states can still bark at us and it barks at us, but we also see that ours also put the device on the states.
  • evgen1221
    evgen1221 11 December 2020 18: 20
    +1
    If Europe needs it so much, why doesn't it build itself with its ships? Money or chtoli shipyards?
    1. A good one
      A good one 11 December 2020 18: 23
      +5
      The hegemon is, the stars and stripes.
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 11 December 2020 18: 37
      +6
      Quote: evgen1221
      If Europe needs it so much, why doesn't it build itself with its ships?

      They were building. Zaluzhniki threatened with sanctions and they fled
    3. Clear
      Clear 11 December 2020 18: 46
      +2
      Quote: evgen1221
      If Europe needs it so much, why doesn't it build itself with its ships? Money or chtoli shipyards?

      There are no ships of their own request ... The "smart guys" from Gazprom business (Millers and K) convinced everyone and themselves that it was easier and cheaper to hire construction equipment abroad, and ..., as always, they burst fool
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 December 2020 18: 55
        +4
        The F ship is worth large tangas. Where else can we pull the pipe by sea? The F ship may not pay off. The runaway builder is like a hegemon in the world of pipeline construction. No one will build a steamer on 5000 km of pipelines. hi
        1. Clear
          Clear 11 December 2020 19: 00
          +5
          Quote: tralflot1832
          The F ship is worth large tangas. Where else can we pull the pipe by sea? The F ship may not pay off. The runaway builder is like a hegemon in the world of pipeline construction. No one will build a steamer on 5000 km of pipelines. hi

          Good girl, you are Andrey. Correctly lead to the fact that a country like Russia needs to build its ships. And this, in addition to jobs and employment - avoiding such embarrassment and dependence.
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 11 December 2020 19: 21
            +4
            It costs a lot of money to keep the ship out of work, it costs a lot of money in the sludge and then to restore its working capacity. Chersky and Fortuna alone will do.
            1. Clear
              Clear 11 December 2020 19: 41
              +5
              Quote: tralflot1832
              It costs a lot of money to keep the ship out of work, it costs a lot of money in the sludge and then to restore its working capacity. Chersky and Fortuna alone will do.

              And, again, you are great! Them (ships), you can lease, for maintenance and repair of the world's offshore pipeline, or serve yourself. It is necessary to move, and not to blow cheeks on the Davos forums.
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 11 December 2020 19: 52
                +5
                No one will contact us because of the sanctions. There is a fleet to maintain our pipelines. I just saw the Murmansk Sevgaznefterazvedka fleet disappeared in my eyes for the development of Shtokman. Two drilling ships Shashin and Muravlenko are a bunch of Oil and Gas, so even though the work was a cherry on the cake, the Sprut diving complex . At that moment one of the most modern. Everything disappeared due to the fact that there was no work with us. At the moment we have everything, and then we'll see.
                1. Clear
                  Clear 11 December 2020 19: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  No one will contact us because of the sanctions.

                  Sanctions can be circumvented. I say ... for rent ..., sell, for a ruble, then buy back ...
  • Lipchanin
    Lipchanin 11 December 2020 18: 23
    +5
    Yes, God forbid, they completed it.
    Oh, how the zaluzhniki want to wipe their nose
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 11 December 2020 20: 56
      +2
      Next year JV 2 will definitely be launched. Since there is nothing to prevent our ships from building.
    2. major147
      major147 11 December 2020 21: 33
      +1
      Quote: Lipchanin
      Yes, God forbid, they completed it.
      Oh, how the zaluzhniki want to wipe their nose


      https://www.vesselfinder.com/ru/?imo=8770261
  • NF68
    NF68 11 December 2020 18: 24
    +1
    For a long time they were dragging on this case.
    1. major147
      major147 11 December 2020 21: 06
      -1
      Quote: NF68
      For a long time they were dragging on this case.

      Gas consumption in Europe has dropped dramatically due to the virus. So there is not much to rush. They would have built it and it would have stood empty ...
  • Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 11 December 2020 18: 25
    +1
    In principle, he can also join the work after a certain time.

    What time? Another year? 3 km out of 150, and the news falls as if the second time in the Second World War won.
    The correct title of the news is "3 km out of 150 could be laid by the Russian Federation in the SP-2 project for 2020" ... further in the text, among the reasons, the pandemic, "unexpected" sanctions from partners, the communists and an increase in the number of pensioners are indicated.
  • anjey
    anjey 11 December 2020 18: 25
    +1
    Silently wend Our Line, put the Big Bolt on sanctions and let the whole World wait laughing
    1. Clear
      Clear 11 December 2020 19: 14
      +2
      Quote: anjey
      Silently wend Our Line, put the Big Bolt on sanctions and let the whole World wait laughing

      There now, against amers, a whole special operation is unfolding laughing
      So, the journalist of the Bild tabloid Julian Röpke, known for promoting American narratives, wrote a request for the resumption of construction of the offshore section of the SP-2 to the German Ministry of Infrastructure.
      From there he was redirected to the Ministry of Economy of the Federal Republic of Germany, where it was recommended to contact the Federal Office for Shipping and Hydrography (BSH).
      BSH Röpke replied that the issue is being dealt with by the Ministry of Energy of the federal state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, which refused to provide the journalist with any information. The influential German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung also noted that it is not yet clear whether work has already resumed on the completion of Nord Stream 2.
      1. anjey
        anjey 11 December 2020 19: 37
        +4
        Dirty competition on the brink of war, this is the prerogative of the United States, in Europe they understand the benefits of cooperation with Russia, but the EU's dependence on the Yankees is great both in the economy and in politics, so they have to wriggle like that two-faced Janus (Anus) laughing
        1. Clear
          Clear 11 December 2020 19: 43
          +4
          Quote: anjey
          Dirty competition on the brink of war, this is the prerogative of the United States, in Europe they understand the benefits of cooperation with Russia, but the EU's dependence on the Yankees is great both in the economy and in politics, so they have to wriggle like that two-faced Janus (Anus) laughing

          Everything changes. The Roman Empire was once great too.
          1. anjey
            anjey 11 December 2020 19: 56
            +3
            Everything in History goes in a spiral, some empires are falling, others are reborn again, let's believe that Russia has potential in this ...
            1. Clear
              Clear 11 December 2020 19: 57
              +5
              Quote: anjey
              Everything in History goes in a spiral, some empires are falling, others are reborn again, let's believe that Russia has potential in this ...

              And that's for sure!
          2. major147
            major147 11 December 2020 21: 08
            +1
            Quote: Clear
            Everything changes. The Roman Empire was once great too.

            And who could have imagined in the 80s that the USSR would fall apart !?
  • tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 December 2020 18: 31
    +1
    It is not accepted to count someone else's money, but I can imagine how much money these two new owners of Fortuna and the crew will receive. What do you think Fortuna will go on after laying 2,6 km in the German zone. How did the BF not go to the exercises there?
    1. Brturin
      Brturin 11 December 2020 19: 26
      +2
      Quote: tralflot1832
      How did the BF not go to the exercises there?

      NATO members are still walking nearby, why push ...
      Until 5 o'clock in the morning on December 11, "Fortuna" got up at the point of work. Meanwhile, the convoy was followed by a group of NATO ships of minesweepers Imanta of the Latvian Navy, Admiral Cowan of the Estonian Navy, LNS Jotvingis of the Lithuanian Navy and Sulzbach-Rosenberg of the German Navy. At 22.30 they began to go around the island of Rügen, on which the base of the "Nord Stream - 2" in Germany is located, however, they did not take a short direct route to the Polish Swinouisci, but took them closer to the coast. It took the NATO ships five hours to hook. When passing by "Fortuna" at 0.15 o'clock on December 11, the group of ships kept only two miles from the coast, while the distance to the pipelayer was 14 miles. Off the coast of Denmark, German sailors discovered eight mines of the First and Second World Wars, seven of which taken out ... a ship of the Latvian Navy made a passage past the "Akademik Chersky". True, it was not a patrol or patrol ship, but a minesweeper "Kursis". Until 2008, he bore the name HMS Dulverton and was part of the Royal Navy of Great Britain. They wanted to dispose of the ship, but Lithuania bought a minesweeper, and after modernization in 2011 it became part of the country's Navy. The Kurshis passed the Akademik Chersky at a distance of just over five miles
      https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2020/12/11/nato-oboshlo-fortunu-storonoy-a-akademika-cherskogo-proverili
  • Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 December 2020 18: 41
    -9
    How many screams and screams from behind one pipe. America swears that it will not finish building. Gazprom shouts that he is the most. I would like to ask the highly paid management of Gazprom - what were they thinking when they started building and why they do not fulfill their obligations? Maybe it's better for them to change their place of work?
  • Vaxtovik
    Vaxtovik 11 December 2020 18: 57
    +1
    And again the fight continues and the heart is beating anxiously ... hi bully Some three kilometers and so many problems .. The Russians do not give up!
    1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 December 2020 19: 21
      -3
      Quote: Vaxtovik
      ..Russians don't give up!

      From left to right: Maarten Wetselaar, Klaus Schaefer, Mario Meren, Alexey Miller, Gerhard Schroeder, Isabelle Kosher, Gerard Mestrallet, Rainer Seele and Matthias Warnig


      Where did you find the Russians there, Meehan?
      1. Clear
        Clear 11 December 2020 19: 51
        +7
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Quote: Vaxtovik
        ..Russians don't give up!

        From left to right: Maarten Wetselaar, Klaus Schaefer, Mario Meren, Alexey Miller, Gerhard Schroeder, Isabelle Kosher, Gerard Mestrallet, Rainer Seele and Matthias Warnig


        Where did you find the Russians there, Meehan?

        Ah, photographer! drinks You must be able to disguise yourself.
        1. Vaxtovik
          Vaxtovik 11 December 2020 21: 57
          +3
          Quote: Clear
          Ah, photographer! You must be able to disguise yourself.

          Taki da Clear hi drinks
          Russians are usually in the shadows .. As Friedrich said
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 December 2020 19: 04
    +1
    Quote: evgen1221
    Yeah, it’s so much better that Chubais flew from his home place about the safety of assets (so as not to squeeze out the honestly stolen) negotiate.

    What awareness)))
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 December 2020 19: 07
    +3
    Quote: tralflot1832
    How did the BF not go to the exercises there?

    Well, of course, we did some exercise. Everything is fine, everything is under control.
    1. Mikhail m
      Mikhail m 11 December 2020 19: 40
      +2
      Does anything depend on the BF? There are completely different levers at work.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 11 December 2020 19: 11
    -6
    well, glory to those hosspadi, wait!
  • Stepan S
    Stepan S 11 December 2020 19: 14
    0
    Yes, there will only be 3 km to build in shallow water, and that's all for now. So don't panic)
  • Avior
    Avior 11 December 2020 19: 25
    +1
    I think the whole intrigue is whether the Danes will be laid at great depths.
    There, the insurance requirement may be different and, it turns out, it is more difficult to find insurance that will not be scared by American sanctions
  • lvov_aleksey
    lvov_aleksey 11 December 2020 19: 41
    -1
    say less and do more, and there will be no sanctions !!! If you did - what other sanctions can be)))))
    ps 100-200 km is not a size.
  • Tagan
    Tagan 11 December 2020 20: 24
    +1
    Quote: Avior
    I think the whole intrigue is whether the Danes will be laid at great depths.
    There, the insurance requirement may be different and, it turns out, it is more difficult to find insurance that will not be scared by American sanctions

    The problem is the failure of insurers. But I read that in that case they could be replaced by ours.
    1. Avior
      Avior 11 December 2020 23: 52
      +1
      They can, but how is Denmark? They may have their own requirements for insurers.
      After all, no one bothered to do this from the very beginning, but they went to the western ones for some reason.
  • for
    for 11 December 2020 21: 12
    +2
    And where is the confirmation.
    As in the most truthful "tape"
    Title-
    Construction of Nord Stream 2 resumed

    In the text-
    On the morning of December 11, Fortuna arrived at the construction site of Nord Stream 2 in German territorial waters. The country's authorities issued a navigation warning, from which it followed, that the ship will soon begin work.

    And Loud headlines began to appear on VO.
  • sifgame
    sifgame 11 December 2020 21: 37
    -2
    The timing of the resumption of construction has been well chosen.
  • Basarev
    Basarev 11 December 2020 22: 54
    0
    This is also a victory for me. Continue the construction of the pipe to suck our bowels for a penny for the sake of strangers ... Is it worth it? After all, it can come out as with the Power of Siberia: according to the conditions, the Chinese will receive gas for another 30 years free of charge, almost with a surcharge ... And for their own, Russians - a hundred thousand for connection and a draconian tariff.
  • maxim k.
    maxim k. 12 December 2020 11: 34
    0
    In general, as I understand it, VO is a triumph of trolls and bots, all kinds of "marshals" laughing All who do not agree with their position are destined to trample the bottom of the "privates", which these same "marshals" themselves and set laughing
  • iouris
    iouris 12 December 2020 11: 55
    0
    Shaw, again?
    May it be completed. After U.S.
  • kig
    kig 13 December 2020 13: 33
    0
    3 km out of 150 is not an extension.