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Not everyone who deserves them gets Russian passports in LDNR

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The process is delayed



The year 2020 ends. Contrary to the optimistic forecasts about the acceleration of the process of passportisation of the inhabitants of the LPR, the process is still going on slowly. At the moment, only 183 thousand residents of the DPR have received Russian passports (another 250 thousand have applied); in the LPR as of October 1, the number of issued passports was 150 thousand.At this rate, the process will stretch for decades - especially since not only local residents are eager to receive Russian documents, but also those who safely fled at the very beginning of the war to Ukraine, while retaining registration in the republics.

It is not known for certain how many people now live in Donetsk or Lugansk (the results of the population census carried out more than a year ago are still hidden), but offhand it can be assumed that with the current speed, the end of the certification process can be expected somewhere in 2033. Moreover, the process of certification is greatly slowed down due to the receipt by the population of republican passports - the electronic queue stretched out until 2023.

... few are chosen


Unfortunately, история "Frenchman" - Donetsk militia Sergei Zavdoveev, who was denied a Russian passport by the FMS department in the Rostov region due to the fact that he allegedly "advocates forcibly changing the foundations of the constitutional order of the Russian Federation or otherwise creates a threat to the security of the Russian Federation" - is not the only one. Russian citizenship is denied to many fighters against whom a criminal case has been opened in Ukraine, and especially to those who are wanted by Interpol at the suggestion of Kiev. It is quite problematic to obtain a passport for those who came to fight on the side of the militia from other regions. In general, if civilians receive a passport in one and a half to two months, then the military has to wait from six months to 8-9 months.

At the same time, Russian citizenship is generously granted to people who have lived in Ukraine since 2014. Formally, there are no grounds for refusal - if only there was a republican passport. But it is completely unknown what these citizens were doing in Ukraine, what beliefs they hold and in what relations they are with the Ukrainian special services!

There are also just ridiculous incidents. So, one of the author's acquaintances returned to the DPR from Sevastopol, where he had lived since the summer of 2014. He returned with a ban on entry to Russia (he was fined a large sum in connection with tax evasion). Nevertheless, having received a local passport, he immediately applied for Russian citizenship and after a month and a half he safely went to receive the coveted “red-skinned passport”. Unfortunately, such mistakes are more often made in relation to random people, but if a person is in one way or another associated with hostilities, they will be checked in full.

What's the point?


The saddest thing is that there is no reason for such a slow process of certification. It could well have been accelerated several times (after all, in Crimea, where more than two million people lived, it took just over a year). Nevertheless, everything is happening even more slowly than in South Ossetia or Abkhazia. Well, at least the residents of Donbass receive full-fledged documents, and not foreign ministry passports, which do not imply the granting of citizenship, which were issued in the Caucasus.

Sometimes it seems that the granting of Russian citizenship to the long-suffering self-proclaimed republics is deliberately constrained. Perhaps so that the LPNR does not accumulate a critical mass of people with Russian passports who will hold a referendum on joining with a predictable result, which will be impossible to answer with a refusal, and unprofitable with consent. At least this is the only logical explanation for what is happening. Moreover, once a referendum on reunification with the Russian Federation was not allowed once, when in May 2014 Donetsk and Lugansk were forced to remove this item from the list of issues submitted to the referendum.

Whatever it was - no one will grumble, because this is the main (and, perhaps, the only conceptual), the most important achievement in the life of the LPR. An accomplishment that justifies everything that has been experienced and everything that one has to endure daily. So the population will wait as long as necessary. Unfortunately, not everyone will wait.
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  1. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 December 2020 12: 04
    +1
    That is, the author wants to say that Russia needs a herd? Simple and uncomplaining people, and not fighters who passed the crucible?
    1. Insurgent
      Insurgent 14 December 2020 12: 25
      +15
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      That is, the author wants to say that Russia needs a herd? Simple and uncomplaining people, and not fighters who passed the crucible?

      Leader, what is the author to you, if the Russian Federation itself has not yet clearly formulated its intentions regarding the people, and even more so the territories of our republics.
      Only explanations are given that the granting of Russian citizenship is caused by the need to ensure the legal status of people deprived of such by the Outskirts, and with the aim of improving their social status and security guarantees.

      And that's all. UNTIL... Then time will tell.
      1. Lipchanin
        Lipchanin 14 December 2020 12: 38
        -6
        Quote: Insurgent
        if the Russian Federation has not yet clearly formulated its intentions regarding people,

        That is, you want to say that such people need to be given passports?
        but also those who escaped safely at the very beginning of the war against Ukraine,
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 14 December 2020 12: 58
          +6
          Why not ? People fled from the civil war, they cannot be blamed for this.
          1. Lipchanin
            Lipchanin 14 December 2020 13: 02
            -4
            Quote: Kronos
            People fled from the civil war, they cannot be blamed for this.

            To those who unleashed this war.
            Well, where is the logic?
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 14 December 2020 13: 06
              +10
              The logic is that there is no fighting there.
              1. Lipchanin
                Lipchanin 14 December 2020 13: 09
                -2
                Quote: Kronos
                The logic is that there is no fighting

                Lovely loica. Run to those who kill your relatives, friends, countrymen.
                And during the Second World War, too, the Germans fled from the war?
                Of course there were such and how did they end their lives?
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 14 December 2020 13: 12
                  +4
                  For example, people could have relatives in Ukraine and they left for them or housing.
                  1. Lipchanin
                    Lipchanin 14 December 2020 13: 14
                    0
                    Quote: Kronos
                    For example, people could have relatives in Ukraine

                    Whose children went to fight in the ATO, go to some kind of national battalion
                    Is that possible?
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 04
                      +40
                      Quote: Lipchanin
                      Whose children went to fight in the ATO, go to some kind of national battalion
                      Is that possible?

                      Can. There are many examples in the internet when, on this basis, a brother went against his brother, parents do not know their children.
            2. Overlock
              Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 03
              +37
              Quote: Lipchanin
              To those who unleashed this war.
              Well, where is the logic?

              the logic is that people have opposite views on this war. Some defend their Ukraine and there are many of them, others do not accept the established order of things and resist. Each has its own truth.
              1. BMP-2
                BMP-2 14 December 2020 14: 32
                +3
                "Your Ukraine"? Its own Ukraine ended in 1991. Now she is theirs:
                1. Overlock
                  Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 38
                  +37
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  "Your Ukraine"?

                  everyone has their own Ukraine. The population dispersed according to business interests: some to work in Russia, some to the EU. And each has its own country
                  1. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 14 December 2020 14: 44
                    +4
                    Rather, everyone has their own illusions. And therefore, not only everyone has Ukraine :))
              2. Xnumx vis
                Xnumx vis 15 December 2020 22: 54
                -1
                Quote: Overlock
                Quote: Lipchanin
                To those who unleashed this war.
                Well, where is the logic?

                the logic is that people have opposite views on this war. Some defend their Ukraine and there are many of them, others do not accept the established order of things and resist. Each has its own truth.

                So all the same it is a civil war. Brother went to brother.
        2. Insurgent
          Insurgent 15 December 2020 07: 17
          +3
          Quote: Lipchanin
          That is, you want to say that such people need to be given passports?

          Do not invent what I did not write about, and what I did not even think about.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 01
        +34
        Quote: Insurgent
        the need to ensure the legal status of people deprived of it by the Outskirts

        did Ukraine deprive the inhabitants of the LDNR of citizenship? -No. The status is at the request of the citizen.
        Quote: Insurgent
        and with the aim of improving their social status and security guarantees.

        what is the standard of living in Ukraine and in the LPR? The security issue, I agree, is the main one. but it will not be resolved because of the positions of Kiev and Moscow.
    2. nikvic46
      nikvic46 14 December 2020 12: 28
      +10
      Nazariy: The ABC's logic is strange. That is, workers are a herd? Count to a hundred, and then write.
    3. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 December 2020 13: 06
      -4
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      That is, the author wants to say that Russia needs a herd?

      who is this herd? here you are a herd?
      and then, a person is a SOCIAL being (lives in a herd), not a social person in a human society DOES NOT SURVIVE !!!!!
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      and not the fighters who passed the crucible?

      civilian life should be civilians, and wars should be fought !!!
      1. samarin1969
        samarin1969 14 December 2020 18: 32
        +5
        [quote = NEOZ] [quote = Leader of the Redskins] T .... a person is a SOCIAL being (lives in a herd), not a social person in human society DOES NOT SURVIVE !!!!!
        [quote = Leader of the Redskins] and not fighters who passed the crucible? [/ quote]
        there must be civilians in civilian life, and wars must be fought !!! [/ quote]
        It is difficult to understand - why are you minus? ... The problem of Donbass should really be solved, first of all, by the soldiers. No militia alone can stand up to a regular army. The state of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the status of Poroshenko until May 2014 gave a chance. But then everything fell into place. Honest workers of Donbass have expressed their will. And that's enough.
    4. Normal ok
      Normal ok 14 December 2020 15: 51
      -6
      The author asks:
      What's the point?
      And the answer has long been known to everyone. Because the population with terrible force is pouring from the "people's" republics to Russia for work. If men of military age are given Russian passports, in a month there will be no one to fight there.
    5. g1v2
      g1v2 14 December 2020 17: 52
      +4
      Any state needs first of all khataskrayniks - they are the people. These are the people who work for him, pay taxes, create demographics, serve in the army, and so on. They are a valuable resource. And where they lived before - on dill or in the republics absolutely on the drum. Since they went to Russia, and not Poland, it means that they are not repulsed in any case, and the state needs them. request
      Passionaries are different. And among the militias there were many exactly the same shots as in the volunteers. Some militias have a place near the same wall with the right-wing sectarian for good. The marauder, torture, cellars, the wringing of property and other feats were not only among the virtuous. Batman alone was worth something. Plus, many went to fight for various reasons. And accordingly, the office has black lists of those who are not needed in the Russian Federation. The reason for the refusal is not yet clear, it is stupid to stand up for an unknown person. This is the type of our bohemia, signing letters in defense of a pedophile human rights activist unknown to them, whose art is then proven. Do not follow their example.
  2. Egoza
    Egoza 14 December 2020 12: 12
    +12
    At times, it seems that the granting of Russian citizenship to the long-suffering self-proclaimed republics is deliberately constrained. Perhaps, so that the LDNR does not accumulate a critical mass of people with Russian passports who will hold a referendum on joining with a predictable result, to which it will be impossible to refuse, and unprofitable with consent.

    Yes, not at times, and it does not seem, but it is
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 December 2020 12: 26
      +8
      Unfortunately, not everyone will wait.
      Will my classmate live? ...
    2. Lipchanin
      Lipchanin 14 December 2020 12: 40
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Yes, not at times, and it does not seem, but it is

      Well this has its own logic
  3. NDR-791
    NDR-791 14 December 2020 12: 21
    +7
    that with the current speed, the end of the certification process can be expected sometime by 2033.
    What will change by the year 33? Donkey will die? Or Shah?
    1. volodimer
      volodimer 15 December 2020 15: 07
      0
      I'm afraid that the shah will still sit on the throne, and the donkey will remain at his post, but Khoja will stretch his legs ... Any analogies are on the conscience of those who read winked
  4. A_Lex
    A_Lex 14 December 2020 12: 59
    +3
    There is still no answer to the main question - whether everything that happened there was sanctioned from above. If everything that happened is the result of the initial "local initiative", in this case, the top to it in any case will be treated negatively, because the parasitic "elite" in the West, always ignores the opinion of the people, imposing the necessary one " agenda ".

    In addition, one should not forget that, unlike South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Karabakh, this territory, neither in the USSR nor afterwards, did not have any official status, even in the form of an autonomous republic, which could formally rely on, so that at least formally was to say that the situation is developing in accordance with the rules, and not out of bounds. And it will not work to be guided by the Kosovo precedent, because the West has its own right in the sense that since it is the owner and beneficiary of the current rules, it also has the right to both establish these rules and violate them, which is logical, since only the owner of the establishment.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 December 2020 13: 28
      -7
      Quote: A_Lex
      always ignores people's opinion

      and what is this "people's opinion"?
      the people chose their president ... the right choice?
      the people chose Pashinyan ... the right choice?
      people in general should not be allowed to run the country !!!
      Quote: A_Lex
      this territory, neither in the USSR nor afterwards, did not have any official status, even if in the form of an autonomous republic, on which one could formally rely

      did the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus have an official status?
      1. A_Lex
        A_Lex 14 December 2020 13: 39
        +6
        the people chose


        Elections in a modern format, when oligarchs nominate their agreed candidates, is a fiction.

        people in general should not be allowed to run the country !!!


        This is exactly what the parasites want - to solve all significant issues in their narrow circle.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 December 2020 14: 07
          -6
          Quote: A_Lex
          This is exactly what the parasites want - to solve all significant issues in their narrow circle.

          what you are talking about was under the primitive communal system ... this management model could not stand the competition.
          moreover, ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD DOES NOT have this management model !!!!!!
          also, the most powerful country on the planet earth does not even have a DIRECT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION !!!!!!!!!
          ps
          you are fantastic ....
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 14 December 2020 14: 21
            +6
            what you are talking about was under the primitive communal system ... this management model could not stand the competition.


            We do not know what was there under the primitive communal system. But now it is not a primitive communal system.

            moreover, ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD DOES NOT have this management model !!!!!!


            No, because parasites rule everywhere. If decisions are made collectively, the parasites will simply be swept out to where they belong - in the bin. Therefore, the goal of the parasites is to monopolize decision making in order to convert this status into a luxurious life for themselves and the larvae. And the lackeys of parasites, who are fighting for their personal rations and easy work in the form of daily love for parasites in a regular mode, naturally argue the opposite, that since this is nowhere to be found, then this is impossible in principle, which, of course, is rubbish. This is exactly the same as if 1000 years ago to stand up for capitalism, and feudal lackeys would have argued that since there are no capitalist countries anywhere, then this is impossible and those who campaign for capitalism are fantastic.
            1. Normal ok
              Normal ok 14 December 2020 16: 05
              -6
              Quote: A_Lex
              what you are talking about was under the primitive communal system ... this management model could not stand the competition.


              We do not know what was there under the primitive communal system. But now it is not a primitive communal system.

              moreover, ANY COUNTRY OF THE WORLD DOES NOT have this management model !!!!!!


              No, because parasites rule everywhere. If decisions are made collectively, the parasites will simply be swept out to where they belong - in the bin. Therefore, the goal of the parasites is to monopolize decision making in order to convert this status into a luxurious life for themselves and the larvae. And the lackeys of parasites, who are fighting for their personal rations and easy work in the form of daily love for parasites in a regular mode, naturally argue the opposite, that since this is nowhere to be found, then this is impossible in principle, which, of course, is rubbish. This is exactly the same as if 1000 years ago to stand up for capitalism, and feudal lackeys would have argued that since there are no capitalist countries anywhere, then this is impossible and those who campaign for capitalism are fantastic.

              In general, I agree. But, even now there are already exceptions. Switzerland, for example.
              1. A_Lex
                A_Lex 14 December 2020 16: 12
                0
                In general, I agree. But, even now there are already exceptions. Switzerland, for example.


                The institution of the referendum in Switzerland is a tribute to the historical tradition of this state, different parts of which were once bitten off from different neighbors and gravitated towards different neighbors, which in turn became the cause of internal confrontations more than once. Therefore, Switzerland needed the notorious policy of neutrality for internal reasons, so that the country would not be torn apart. And so it has long been clear that "Europe" and "rule of the people" are terms of antagonists.
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 07
        +38
        Quote: NEOZ
        people in general should not be allowed to run the country !!!

        and what is the result of the development of Russia as a result of the endless victories of the United Russia and the electoral legislation? We will find out after a while.
        1. NEOZ
          NEOZ 14 December 2020 14: 11
          -9
          Quote: Overlock
          what is the result of Russia's development

          I propose to study the world experience!
          here in the United States the people are not allowed to govern the country - the result is excellent!
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 14 December 2020 14: 26
            +4
            here in the United States the people are not allowed to govern the country - the result is excellent!


            For oligarchs, officials and their lackeys, the result is excellent. For everyone else, at whose expense this result is achieved - not very much. This became especially clear this year, when the vaunted US insurance medicine, which is highly calculated to make a profit, failed the epidemic test. In China, yes. There, the result is excellent, and for the entire people as a whole, and not exclusively for the splendid elite, accustomed to profit at the expense of everyone.
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 48
            +35
            Quote: NEOZ
            here in the USA the people are not allowed to run the country

            rave. Trump's legal battles are then futile, there is no one behind him, although, officially, he received 72.4 million votes
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 14 December 2020 14: 51
              +3
              Trump's legal battles are futile then


              Of course they are hopeless. The winner has long been agreed upon in a much narrower circle of influential persons compared to the broad popular masses. Elections are a show these days.
            2. NEOZ
              NEOZ 14 December 2020 15: 34
              -7
              Quote: Overlock
              from in the USA the people are not allowed to govern the country

              rave. Trump's legal battles are then futile, there is no one behind him, although, officially, he received 72.4 million votes

              you, apparently, poorly know the subject about which you write.
              let it be known to you that 90% of all top civil servants (president / vice president / secretary of state and others) graduated from one of the four elite universities, which is impossible for a mere mortal to enter, just as very often the senator's seat is occupied by the son of a senator, and elections are chosen by ELECTORS, not the people !!!!!!!!
              1. New Year day
                New Year day 14 December 2020 18: 56
                +5
                Quote: NEOZ
                as the president is elected in the elections by ELECTORS, not the people !!!!!!!!

                You don't know the question, dear. The presidential elections there are two-stage. At the first stage, the people vote and Trump got 2 million votes. Electors vote today - this is the second stage. Trump was suing for votes in the first round of elections. Don't mislead the people.
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 15 December 2020 12: 04
                  -1
                  Quote: Silvestr
                  You don't know the question, dear. The presidential elections there are two-stage.

                  The President and Vice President of the United States are elected together in an election held every 4 years. The elections are indirect: the winner is determined by the Electoral College; voters in each state elect one of the electoral rolls designated by a candidate. Electors usually promise in advance to vote for a candidate from their party (and it is the names of these candidates that appear on the ballots, not the names of individual electors). The candidate with more than half of the Electoral College votes (currently at least 270 out of 538 votes) wins the vote. Due to indirect voting, it is possible (and has happened) a situation when a candidate who received the majority of the electoral votes would nevertheless conditionally lose if the votes of individual people at the national level were taken into account.
              2. Avior
                Avior 14 December 2020 22: 15
                +4
                90% of all top civil servants (president / vice president / secretary of state and others) graduated from one of the four elite universities

                And what kind of universities?
                In 1928 he graduated from high school in Dixon and entered Eureka College (English) Russian. (Eureka (Illinois) (English) Russian) at the Faculty of Economics and Sociology. True, there, as in school, he by no means shone in the sciences.

                This is Reagan
                1. NEOZ
                  NEOZ 15 December 2020 11: 58
                  -1
                  Quote: Avior
                  And what kind of universities?

                  Brown University - Providence, Rhode Island, founded in 1764 under the name College of Rhode Island
                  Harvard University - Cambridge, Massachusetts, founded in 1636.
                  Yale University - New Haven, Connecticut, founded in 1701 under the name Collegiate School
                  Columbia University - New York, State of New York, founded in 1754 as King's College
                  Cornell University - Ithaca, New York, founded in 1865.
                  University of Pennsylvania - Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, founded in 1740 under the name of Philadelphia Academy
                  Princeton University - Princeton, New Jersey, founded in 1746 under the name College of New Jersey
                  1. Avior
                    Avior 15 December 2020 12: 04
                    +3
                    one of the four elite universities in which it is impossible for a mere mortal to enter
                    smile
                    In general, it is not surprising that the best positions are occupied by graduates of the best universities, this is a regularity everywhere.
                    And why a simple mortal cannot enter is a mystery ...
                    1. NEOZ
                      NEOZ 15 December 2020 12: 16
                      -2
                      Quote: Avior
                      In general, it is not surprising that the best positions are occupied by graduates of the best universities, this is a regularity everywhere.

                      Quote: Avior
                      And why a simple mortal cannot enter is a mystery ...

                      these universities are concentrated in one place (south of the east coast), respectively, non-local difficulties with physical accessibility to universities.
                      The prohibitive cost of training (can only afford to study VERY secured, well, or really geniuses). Extremely high requirements for students.
                      accordingly, triple selection weeds out all people from the people .... only for the children of the elite.
                      ps
                      if you look at the universities of our tops from the state, then what is there just not! but only there is nothing elite, but if you look at the ancestors of our tops, then they are ALL FROM THE PEOPLE !!!!!!! unlike the United States, where officials are the children of former officials !!!!
                      1. Avior
                        Avior 15 December 2020 13: 22
                        +3
                        Officials in the United States, unlike Russia, are not the richest people in the country.
                        As for the location, this is the oldest part of the United States, it is not surprising that the oldest universities are there. The fact that it is difficult for non-locals to learn is generally not serious. The same hostel and everything is exactly the same. For foreigners, by the way, too.
                        That learning is difficult, so the requirements are the same for everyone.
                        As for the cost, at Harvard, for example, half of the students receive scholarships that fully or partially cover the cost of education.
                        And what is important, they are given on the basis of low family wealth.
                        Of course, studying at Harvard is expensive, but only if you pay for it in full yourself. In fact, more than half of university students receive financial support, which, in some cases, covers almost the full cost of education.

                        When distributing scholarships, Harvard does not divide students into local and foreign, providing the same assistance, the amount of which depends solely on the financial situation of the student's family.

                        It is worth noting that a scholarship can be obtained at Harvard University only due to the impossibility of self-paying for studies. In other words, your high academic performance, sports or social achievements will not be a reason for issuing a scholarship. Financial support of this kind, Harvard students can only receive from external funds that are not directly related to the university .... According to Harvard University, the amount that the average student pays to study at a university usually consists of a scholarship, a parent's contribution, a student's earnings from work in during the academic year and earnings for students from work during the holidays.

                        About 78% of all university students work part-time during their studies, and this helps them pay for education and related expenses. At the same time, 39% of students start earning money in their first year.

                        Harvard not only supports local and international students who want to earn extra money, but also helps them find jobs on campus and off campus. The university includes a specialized Office of Student Employment, which provides students with full support in the process of finding a job.

                        hi
                      2. NEOZ
                        NEOZ 15 December 2020 13: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Avior
                        Officials in the United States, unlike Russia, are not the richest people in the country.

                        they just have the richest parents / grandfathers ...
                        or dad was already president .....))))))))
                        Quote: Avior
                        For foreigners, by the way, too.

                        Yes Yes! Bulk studied at Yale University !!!!
                        Quote: Avior
                        And what is important, they are given on the basis of low family wealth.
                        Of course, studying at Harvard is expensive, but only the eu

                        yes yes, direct socialism ... in the heart of capitalism ...
                        do you believe in fairy tales?
                        ps
                        not a single beggar student became a politician in the United States ...
                      3. Avior
                        Avior 15 December 2020 13: 41
                        +3
                        they just have the richest parents / grandfathers ...
                        or dad was already president.

                        Obama? Reagan?
                        not a single beggar student became a politician in the USA

                        Father - Barack Hussein Obama - Sr. (1936-1982) - Kenyan, the son of a medicine man from the Luo people. The Missionary School financed his studies in Nairobi and sent him to study econometrics at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, where he organized the International Students Association and became the best in his graduation.

                        William Jefferson Blythe III was born on August 19, 1946 in Hope, Arkansas. His father, William Jefferson Blythe, Jr. (1918-1946), was an equipment salesman. Mother, Virginia Dell Cassidy (1923-1994), left after school to study as a nurse anesthesiologist in Shreveport, Louisiana, where she met her future husband, William. In 1943, they married, after which William, who by that time had been drafted into the army, was sent to Egypt: the Second World War was going on. Completed his service in Italy in December 1945. Returning to his homeland, William decided to move with his wife to Chicago. On May 17, 1946, on the way from Chicago to Hope, William died in a car accident. ... Bill's family belonged to the middle class by American standards, his parents did not have money to study their son at a prestigious university. The stepfather suffered from alcoholism, and Bill had to take care of himself. He received an increased scholarship, earned a living by his own labor.

                        Born into the family of James Earl Carter Sr. and Lillian Carter. My father was engaged in business, growing peanuts. James has been a Baptist since childhood. He had a brother Billy (1937-1988) and two sisters: Gloria (1926-1990) and Ruth (1929-1983). Graduated from the Georgia Institute of Technology and the Naval Academy, served for seven years as a submarine officer in the Pacific and Atlantic fleets. ... In 1953, he retired and, returning to Plains, took up the family farming business, growing peanuts, continuing the work of his deceased father. At the same time, Rosalyn took over accounting duties, in fact becoming her husband's business partner.

                        Ronald Wilson Reagan was born on February 6, 1911, in an apartment on the floor above the local bank in the village of Tampico (English) Russian. (Illinois). He later remarked:

                        Seventy-three years ago, I was born in Tampico, Illinois, in a tiny apartment in a building with a bank on the ground floor. I had no other contacts with banks. (April 26, 1984)


                        Father - John Edward "Jack" Reagan (English) Russian, mother - Nell Wilson Reagan (English) Russian [8]. The father was of Irish Catholic descent [9] and the mother was of English and Scottish descent [10]. Ronald also had an older brother - Neil Reagan (English) Russian. (1908-1996), who became an advertiser [11]. Seeing his newborn son, Jack Reagan remarked:

                        He looks like a fat little Dutchman, but who knows, he may grow up and one day become president [12].


                        The Reagan family moved for a while to various cities in Illinois, including Monmouth, Galesburg and Chicago. In 1919, they returned to Tampico and lived above the Pitney department store where Jack worked. [8]
                      4. Avior
                        Avior 15 December 2020 13: 49
                        +3
                        let's continue the stories of "oligarchs" - presidents
                        Sorry that there are many, but there is simply nothing to talk about without facts. And the facts speak for themselves.
                        Born January 9, 1913 in the family of grocer and rancher Francis Nixon (1878-1956) and Hannah Milhouse Nixon (1885-1967) in California. ...
                        Nixon's early life was marked by difficulties, and he later quoted Eisenhower to describe his childhood: "We were poor, but the good thing was that we did not know it." The Nixon family failed to run a ranch, and in 1922 they moved to Whittier, California, an area populated by Quakers, where the father of the family opened a grocery store and a gas station. ...
                        Initially, Nixon attended High School in Fullerton, but he was later transferred to another school in Whittier, from which he graduated as the second highest achiever in 1930. After graduation, he was offered to study at Harvard, but the family did not have enough money to travel and live there, so he stayed at home and entered Whittier College.

                        Dorothy King gave birth to Leslie to her husband at 3202 Woolworth Avenue. The boy's father, Leslie Lynch King Sr., was a wool trade. But the marriage broke up due to everyday life and assault 16 days after the birth of the child. Dorothy took the child and went to live with her parents in Michigan, having lived there for two and a half years. Soon Dorothy tried her luck again and married the paint dealer Gerald Ford Sr. on February 1, 1916.

                        .

                        In 1935, Gerald graduated from the University of Michigan with a Bachelor of Science in Economics.

                        Born August 27, 1908 near Stonewall, Texas. Graduated from Johnson City High School and the Texas Southwestern Teacher Training College at the University of Texas at San Marcos. Taught polemics and rhetoric at the Sam Houston High School in Houston.

                        Dwight Eisenhower was born in Denison, Grayson County, Texas, to David Eisenhower and Ida Strover Eisenhower. In 1891, the family moved to Abilene, Kansas in search of work. He graduated from high school in 1909. After that he studied at the West Point Military Academy from 1911 to 1915 .... David, the father of Dwight D. Eisenhower, came from the family of Hans Nicholas Eisenhower, who immigrated to the United States of America in 1741 from Germany, fleeing religious persecution ... ...

                        Truman was born on May 8, 1884 in Lamar, Missouri, the son of farmer John Anderson Truman and Martha Ellen Truman. Harry was the oldest child. He had a brother John Vivian (1886-1965) and a sister Mary Jane (1889-1978).

                        The family moved from place to place several times, and when Harry was 6 years old, they settled in Independence, Missouri. .... After graduating from high school, Harry went to college, but after studying for only one semester, he was forced to quit school and look for a job. He changed many different occupations - he worked on the railway, in the editorial office, as a bank clerk, as an agricultural worker.

                        Yes, of course there were presidents in the States and from wealthy families. But a minority.
                        hi
  • Egor53
    Egor53 14 December 2020 13: 30
    -1
    Russian citizenship should be granted to ALL people of Russian culture, if they wish to receive it.
    Any restrictions on the acquisition of Russian citizenship by Russians should be considered treason. And the death penalty for the state. it's time to restore treason.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 December 2020 14: 12
      -7
      Quote: Egor53
      provided to ALL people of Russian culture

      and terrorists? and maniacs? and crazy? and retirees? and bandits?
  • Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 14 December 2020 13: 38
    -1
    It would be great if officials of the executive and judicial authorities are obliged to pay everything owed for an illegal decision (decree, order), maybe then these snickering officials will begin to delve into the matter on their own, and not through the secretariat.
    1. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 December 2020 14: 14
      -10%
      Quote: Mykhalych
      maybe then these snickering officials will begin to delve into the matter personally

      can you start with yourself?
      you can figure it out yourself in your life?
  • Overlock
    Overlock 14 December 2020 13: 58
    +36
    Contrary to the optimistic forecasts about the acceleration of the process of certification of residents of the LPR, the process is still going on slowly.

    I believe that this question is not only about
    ... so that there is no critical mass of people with Russian passports in the LPNR ...
    ,
    but also for other reasons.
    There are several of them.
    1. The Russian authorities have never considered the issue of the LDNR joining Russia, and this was already clear in 2014. It was Putin who insisted that the question of
    ... the referendum on reunification with the Russian Federation ...
    was filmed. The authorities have always viewed the people as "second oil" and given their "concern" for the Russians, is it worth indulging yourself with the thought of her concern for the inhabitants of the LPR?
    2. Donbass "caught fire" because of Strelkov (Girkin), he himself has repeatedly stated about it. It was he who was the author of the seizure of the building of the Crimean Armed Forces at night, in the Donbass he wanted the same thing. The supreme power seized the initiative when things went too far. The goal then was to create an "AntiUkraine" from the LPNR, which would hinder it on its way to NATO and the EU. This task continues to this day. The accession of the LDNR to Russia means the loss of the leverage over Ukraine, which contradicts the set task. The Kremlin needs a trigger to keep Ukraine on a leash. It turned out or not - judge for yourself.
    3. All this is already clear to the population of the LPR. The dual position of the Russian Federation makes people think a thousand times before getting a Russian passport. If the LDNR is pushed into Ukraine (Minsk 1 and 2), those who have received a Russian passport will face big problems. People have no confidence in the future.
    4. There will be no second or third referendum in the LPR, if only because the positions of a significant part of the LPR population are diametrically opposed. What, then, is the predicted result?
    As for people, they simply survive in inhuman conditions and this does not contribute to the development of love for Russia as a whole. It turned out to be a dead end from which at this stage there is no way out - the positions of Kiev and Moscow are mutually exclusive.
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 14 December 2020 14: 11
      0
      Donbass "caught fire" because of Strelkov (Girkin), he himself has repeatedly stated


      What happened in reality is unknown, because there is no guarantee that Girkin is not lying. And lies in our time have reached a much larger level than before.

      The goal then was to create an "AntiUkraine" from the LPNR, which would hinder it on its way to NATO and the EU. This task continues to this day.


      This is generally a rare nonsense, because in order for NATO to use the territory for its needs, the territory does not need to be officially entered into NATO.

      4. There will be no second or third referendum in the LPR, if only because the positions of a significant part of the LPR population are diametrically opposed.


      Yes, not because of this, but because all these "referendums" are currently playing the role of a kind of vote of confidence of the people in relation to the decision of the authorities and they are always appointed by the "highest command" from above, not from below.
      1. Overlock
        Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 43
        +32
        Quote: A_Lex
        This is generally a rare nonsense, because in order for NATO to use the territory for its needs, the territory does not need to be officially entered into NATO.

        then reasonably, without pathos, justify Putin's decision to annex Crimea
        Quote: A_Lex
        because all these "referendums" are currently playing the role of a kind of vote of confidence of the people in relation to the decision of the government, and they are always appointed by the "highest command" from above, not from below.

        Crimean referendum from above too? Are Crimeans a herd?
        1. A_Lex
          A_Lex 14 December 2020 14: 46
          +4
          justify Putin's decision to annex Crimea


          Rating. Compare the rating after the well-known events in the spring of 2012 and the rating after the events in the spring of 2014. But only 2 years have passed.

          Crimean referendum from above too? Are Crimeans a herd?


          From above, of course. It's just that it was all agreed. I don't know what you mean by the term "herd". I know that in our time the people do not have legal instruments to influence the government. Those. the people do not make socially significant decisions, but at best they approve. It is a fact.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 14 December 2020 14: 55
            +35
            Quote: A_Lex
            Rating. Compare the rating after the well-known events in spring 2012 and the rating after the events in spring 2014.

            it is a consequence, not a cause
            Quote: A_Lex
            From above, of course. It's just that it was all agreed.

            then your position is close to that of Ukraine - "elections at gunpoint"
            1. A_Lex
              A_Lex 14 December 2020 15: 03
              +1
              it is a consequence, not a cause


              This is the reason. There are no other reasons for increasing the rating. And the reasons for the downgrade are the car. This is a pogrom of medicine, and an increase in the retirement age, and an increase in the number of oligarchs, and a decrease in the purchasing power of the population, and a bunch of others. etc.

              then your position is close to that of Ukraine - "elections at gunpoint"


              We're not talking about machines. We are talking about the absolute support of the supreme authority for actions on the ground. Moreover, everything that happened there, both the operation to provide security cover, and the preparation of the official unit, took place in a rapidly short time and did not cause any delays or delays. So it was agreed.
              1. Overlock
                Overlock 14 December 2020 15: 10
                +36
                Quote: A_Lex
                There are no other reasons for increasing the rating. And the reasons for the downgrade are the car.

                Putin spat on the ratings! Under the existing system, he is beyond criticism and no one can resist him. "Elections without choice" is just a wrapper around voting. And why then does he need this rating?
                Quote: A_Lex
                We are talking about the absolute support of the supreme authority for actions on the ground. Moreover, everything that happened there, both the operation to provide security cover, and the preparation of the official unit, took place in a swiftly short time and did not cause any delays or delays.

                и
                Quote: A_Lex
                ... the people do not make socially significant decisions

                the role of the Crimeans to legitimize the Kremlin's decision? Are checkpoints at Perekop also a decision of the Kremlin?
                1. A_Lex
                  A_Lex 14 December 2020 15: 26
                  0
                  Under the existing system, he is beyond criticism and no one can resist him.


                  Wrong. This is the Pope, according to the canon, beyond criticism, and those who agree with the canon do not argue with this. It is much easier and more profitable to act in accordance with the official rules of the game than to stand above the rules, thus leaving the future to doubt the legitimacy of the decisions of the past.

                  the role of Crimeans to legitimize the Kremlin's decision?


                  Why are you pretending that only the Kremlin and the Crimeans exist, and the Crimean elite is, as it were, completely absent?
    2. NEOZ
      NEOZ 14 December 2020 15: 46
      -5
      Quote: Overlock
      and given her "concern" for the Russians,

      and what, in fact, does not suit you?
  • 113262a
    113262a 14 December 2020 14: 19
    +1
    Whatever it was - no one will grumble, because this is the main (and, perhaps, the only conceptual), the most important achievement in the life of the LPR. We will not grumble! To grumble is harmful!))) And getting a Russian passport, in itself, quickly passed! Local passport is much longer. Crimeans only received the Russian Federation! We have only recently introduced finger scanners - before that - using the Pinkerton method. And the aunts who manually filled in the forms did not help the process either. At least a year ago it was!
  • Michael.K
    Michael.K 14 December 2020 14: 36
    0
    You just need to stop considering this issue from a political and economic standpoint. Statement
    President that we do not abandon our people is empty populism. Maybe it's time for us to collect signatures and demand from the authorities to truly protect Donbass.
    1. A_Lex
      A_Lex 14 December 2020 14: 42
      +1
      The president's statement that we do not abandon our people is empty populism.


      This is not populism. This is a hint that is not specific. In this case, the concept of "ours" is not concretized and is a hint, and a hint can be interpreted by anyone in any way.
      Compare, for example, with the way Erdogan described the situation in Karabakh, clearly calling one of the parties a "brotherly people" who will definitely be helped. This is not a hint, but a specific and clear statement.
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 14 December 2020 14: 59
      +2
      It will be the same as with signatures for lowering the retirement age.
  • iouris
    iouris 14 December 2020 14: 47
    -1
    What do you mean "worthy"? Eligible or not. We look at the criteria. We are watching those who developed them. We find out who they work for.
  • tank64rus
    tank64rus 14 December 2020 15: 18
    0
    It's a shame, and officials who are denied registration, such as the Frenchman, are deprived of Russian citizenship and expulsion to Ukraine. it is better to get rid of 5 columns now than to wait for betrayal during the war.
  • pereselenec
    pereselenec 14 December 2020 15: 52
    +2
    Not everyone who deserves them gets Russian passports in LDNR

    Everyone who, in general, six years later still remained to live in this depressed, criminalized and dilapidated gray zone, without any prospects for the future, and did not switch to 404, has already accomplished the feat of the Decembrist's wife for the sake of Russia, and, by definition, deserves our passport ...
  • skobars
    skobars 14 December 2020 22: 37
    0
    The people in Donbass live in very difficult conditions, and then bureaucrats stick sticks. All this is sad.
  • Diviz
    Diviz 18 December 2020 21: 33
    0
    A dark story happened in Moscow with Ukrainian chess players playing for Russia to Alexander Vernigor and 26-year-old grandmaster Stanislav Bogdanovich.
  • Siberian54
    Siberian54 19 December 2020 08: 32
    0
    Again, the division into first and second grade ... Or has the corruption component moved? No gradations are needed except for checking for the SBU service, former and descendants of USSR citizens live there and this must be remembered by all those who are engaged in the services of Russian citizenship drinks
  • garik77
    garik77 4 January 2021 14: 05
    -1
    Unfortunately, Covid slowed down the process. Kmk, if not for this infection, the process would move much faster
  • Oleg Filimonov
    Oleg Filimonov 24 February 2021 14: 57
    0
    As for me, I would not give up my European citizenship.
    1. Deim
      Deim 24 February 2021 17: 34
      0
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