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In Ukraine, they said they "intercepted" an order from Russia for the repair of helicopters for Afghanistan

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Ukrainian enterprises endanger the lives of American and Afghan soldiers. Therefore, the Russian holding Russian Helicopters disclaims responsibility for the further safe operation of the machines it produces.


This is how the Russian manufacturer reacted in its press release to the information about the planned overhaul of two Mi-17V-5 helicopters of the Afghan Air Force, which is going to be done in Ukraine, at the Zaporozhye Motor Sich enterprise and the Aviakon in Konotop.

This repair should be considered illegitimate, since it will be carried out without the participation and control of the developer and manufacturer of this type of helicopter. The Russian Helicopters holding will notify all interested Russian and foreign organizations and departments about the inclusion of Ukrainian companies in the list of aircraft repair companies that illegally repair Russian-made helicopters.

- said the press service of the holding.

In Kiev, the press made a real celebration about the next "peremogi". In this vein, for example, an article by the Ukrainian edition of Defense Express was published yesterday. There they are glad that Ukraine "intercepted" an order from Russia for the repair of helicopters for Afghanistan. And it doesn't matter that Ukrainian enterprises have ceased to receive repair and design documentation, spare parts and repair kits from Russian aircraft manufacturers. These are such "little things" ...

Ukraine received certificates giving the right to repair the Mi-17 from the Americans, who purchased more than 60 of these machines from Russia for Afghanistan.

Something suggests that Afghan servicemen will fly in helicopters repaired in Ukraine, not American ones. Moreover, it is already known how such ventures end.

In 2015, Ukraine upgraded 7 MiG-21 aircraft for the Croatian Air Force and sold five more. After that, they were supposed to work for 10 years, but after eight months of these 12 machines, only three remained in service.

Our MiGs are fake. The military police, in connection with a large deception, launched a detailed investigation.

- wrote about this case the Croatian newspaper "Yutarni list".
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 09: 28
    +9
    Ukraine received certificates giving the right to repair the Mi-17 from the Americans,

    How is this possible legally?
    The owner of the MI-17 technology is in Russia. belay
    1. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 11 December 2020 09: 33
      +28
      This is not possible in any way. The deal is insignificant, as I already said in the comments to the article, that the mattresses were allowed to be repaired by Russian helicopters. Minuses, by the way, picked up laughing
      Now I specifically looked at that comment. 2 pluses, 5 minuses laughing
      Skakuas "geniuses of the hopak" do not sleep on VO!
      1. loki565
        loki565 11 December 2020 09: 38
        +10
        Well, then it is necessary to introduce a ban on flights of this equipment and a complete refusal to sell spare parts and services. And knowing the Afghan pilots and techies, there will be accidents there for sure.
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 11 December 2020 09: 43
          +8
          They can fly over Afghanistan on anything. And grave accordingly. And the international flights of the Mi-17 were somehow not noticed laughing
          You can sell them spare parts, but without a guarantee, as it was said, and without repair and maintenance. So they will be buried in a couple of years, then they will fly on jet-driven donkeys.
          1. loki565
            loki565 11 December 2020 09: 52
            +2
            This is not the point, we completely disclaim responsibility for future disasters of these helicopters.
            1. Reserve buildbat
              Reserve buildbat 11 December 2020 09: 54
              +5
              I also said about it. And at the same time let me remind you of a phrase from a note: "The Russian holding Russian Helicopters disclaims responsibility for the further safe operation of the machines it produces."
              This is what I meant when I wrote "no guarantee" smile
              1. ancient
                ancient 11 December 2020 11: 54
                +3
                Quote: Stroibat stock
                This is what I meant when I wrote "no guarantee"

                Warranty repair and warranty after repair service .. "flies" immediately, even when resale or delivery to third countries (this is written in all flight and technical documents).
        2. figwam
          figwam 11 December 2020 10: 05
          +1
          It is not clear what spare parts will be put on helicopters, let them risk their lives.
          1. dauria
            dauria 11 December 2020 13: 23
            -9
            let them risk their lives.

            Stop carrying "patriotic" nonsense. The plant is real, Soviet. Nothing worse than Tambov, where Czech ELs were capitalizing.
            Spare parts - so the engines are Zaporozhye, and components for replacement with the assigned resource will be bought on the side - eights are flying around the world.
            Yes, they "violated", the money was taken away. Well, the time is such, all the "brothers" behave this way. And what does reliability have to do with it?

            Well, for your reference.
            In 1963, the 224th aircraft repair base was transformed into the 535th aircraft repair plant of the USSR Ministry of Defense.
            In 1964, a major overhaul of the Mi-6 helicopter was mastered [4].
            By 1970, the plant mastered the overhaul and refurbishment of Mi-6, Mi-10 helicopters and their modifications.
            In 1976, the plant mastered the overhaul of Mi-24 combat helicopters.
            In 1989, the plant mastered the repair of the Mi-26 helicopter
            In 1992 the plant mastered the repair of the Mi-8 helicopter, in 1993 - the Mi-2 helicopter.
            1. igor67
              igor67 11 December 2020 15: 08
              +1
              Quote: dauria
              let them risk their lives.

              Stop carrying "patriotic" nonsense. The plant is real, Soviet. Nothing worse than Tambov, where Czech ELs were capitalizing.
              Spare parts - so the engines are Zaporozhye, and components for replacement with the assigned resource will be bought on the side - eights are flying around the world.
              Yes, they "violated", the money was taken away. Well, the time is such, all the "brothers" behave this way. And what does reliability have to do with it?

              Well, for your reference.
              In 1963, the 224th aircraft repair base was transformed into the 535th aircraft repair plant of the USSR Ministry of Defense.
              In 1964, a major overhaul of the Mi-6 helicopter was mastered [4].
              By 1970, the plant mastered the overhaul and refurbishment of Mi-6, Mi-10 helicopters and their modifications.
              In 1976, the plant mastered the overhaul of Mi-24 combat helicopters.
              In 1989, the plant mastered the repair of the Mi-26 helicopter
              In 1992 the plant mastered the repair of the Mi-8 helicopter, in 1993 - the Mi-2 helicopter.

              You just wrote this about my former repair base of military unit 21653, at the end of the 50s you mastered the repair of the NK12 engine of all series,
            2. APASUS
              APASUS 11 December 2020 15: 29
              +2
              Quote: dauria
              Spare parts - so the engines are Zaporozhye, and components for replacement with the assigned resource will be bought on the side - eights are flying around the world.

              I know one such turbine office is going through, which even promises to give Czech certificates, but everything will be Chinese.
            3. Igoresha
              Igoresha 12 December 2020 13: 11
              -4
              Well, the time is such, all the "brothers" behave this way.
              if the Kremlin has steel organs and a desire, they will impose sanctions, if not, then no
        3. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 10: 17
          0
          Well then, it is necessary to introduce a ban on flights of this equipment and a complete refusal to sell spare parts and services.

          They forgot about the sanctions ... we are blacklisting everyone who gave the certificate ... we block their accounts and prohibit entry into Russia ... but they will persist in putting them on the international wanted list with the opening of a criminal case on large-scale fraud ... taxes then they do not pay to our treasury. hi
          1. ancient
            ancient 11 December 2020 11: 55
            +2
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            we add to the black list everyone who gave the certificate.

            On the holy "partners" .. encroaching on ...? wink
        4. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 11 December 2020 10: 56
          +6
          Quote: loki565
          Well, then it is necessary to introduce a ban on flights of this equipment and a complete refusal to sell spare parts and services. And knowing the Afghan pilots and techies, there will be accidents there for sure.

          There, two helicopters will be repaired, one of which the puppies will use as a donor for the second helicopter, and the "donor" will be treated with spare parts from Ali Express, and when it collapses, they will be excused by the fact that the Afghans themselves violated operating conditions. Those still "partners" yes
        5. ancient
          ancient 11 December 2020 11: 52
          +4
          Quote: loki565
          Well, then it is necessary to impose a ban on flights of this technique.

          How do you imagine that? belay After all, helicopters are already their PROPERTY and they fly at their HOME wink
          Quote: loki565
          complete refusal to sell spare parts and services.

          But this is already the case ... to refuse all types of warranty and service wink but ....... there is a "black market" and "gray deliveries" through 3-4-5 countries ....... plus they can "leave our market".
          1. loki565
            loki565 11 December 2020 12: 12
            -1
            How do you imagine that? belay After all, helicopters are already their PROPERTY and they fly at their HOME wink

            Just as Ukraine has banned the operation of An124 Ruslan, etc., completely shifting responsibility
      2. aszzz888
        aszzz888 11 December 2020 10: 29
        +1

        Stroybat reserve (Ivan)
        Today, 09: 33
        NEW

        +13
        This is not possible in any way. The deal is insignificant, as I already said in the comments to the article, that the mattresses were allowed to be repaired by Russian helicopters. Minuses, by the way, picked up laughing
        Now I specifically looked at that comment. 2 pluses, 5 minuses laughing
        Skakuas "geniuses of the hopak" do not sleep on VO!
        Let's make up with pluses! + wink
        1. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 11 December 2020 10: 34
          +2
          I would have worried about the minuses))) I mentioned them for fun, because here there are so "alternatively gifted" that even a comment like "The sun rises in the east" is filled with a bag of minuses laughing
          1. aszzz888
            aszzz888 11 December 2020 10: 35
            0

            Stroybat reserve (Ivan)
            Today, 10: 34

            0
            I would have worried about the minuses))) I mentioned them for fun, because here there are so "alternatively gifted" that even on a comment like "The sun rises in the east" they throw a full bag of minuses laughing
            Oh, and go with them! wink
          2. Reviews
            Reviews 11 December 2020 11: 12
            0
            Quote: stock buildbat
            even for a comment like "The sun rises in the east" they throw a bag full of minuses laughing

            And then! :) We have a lot of astronomers, geographers and other bores. fellow
      3. Looking for
        Looking for 11 December 2020 17: 42
        +1
        And on Ukrainian resources, for the slightest pro-Russian statement, they are banned forever.
        1. Reviews
          Reviews 11 December 2020 19: 05
          +1
          Quote: Seeker
          And on Ukrainian resources, for the slightest pro-Russian statement, they are banned forever.

          Not only in Ukrainian. On the "FB" for the word "hohol" can be banned, though not forever. And on "VO" this word was declared forbidden. "Correctness" on the march, stupidity wins the smart.
        2. Alex Justice
          Alex Justice 12 December 2020 08: 45
          +1
          The Russian spring has sunk to the Censornet. Censorship and solid mat.
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 11 December 2020 09: 34
      +13
      The cars have their own owners) they decide where to do. It's just that you shouldn't cry later when they ditch. And you can’t make a claim to the manufacturer. Let them have fun)
      1. marchcat
        marchcat 11 December 2020 09: 41
        +3
        This repair should be considered illegitimate, and this is akin to "Russian roulette".
    3. aszzz888
      aszzz888 11 December 2020 09: 36
      +3
      Lech from Android. (Lech from Android)
      Today, 09: 28
      NEW
      0
      Ukraine received certificates giving the right to repair the Mi-17 from the Americans,

      How is this possible legally?
      The owner of the MI-17 technology is in Russia. belay
      This does not apply to the root of the overwhelmed, awesome, insolent unnecessary under No. 404.
    4. Civil
      Civil 11 December 2020 09: 51
      +2
      Poor Afghanistan is unlucky, it will be left without MI-17 and without money.
      1. aszzz888
        aszzz888 11 December 2020 10: 30
        +2

        Civil (Vadim)
        Today, 09: 51
        NEW

        0
        Poor Afghanistan is unlucky, it will be left without MI-17 and without money.
        They will be as before - on donkeys. bully
    5. Terenin
      Terenin 11 December 2020 10: 02
      +5
      the Russian holding Russian Helicopters disclaims responsibility for the further safe operation of its machines.
      Nice move with a stand of Kyevlyans. Prepare a contract with more favorable terms for yourself, it is not far off. It's a pity that only after undesirable consequences ...
      1. Clear
        Clear 11 December 2020 10: 43
        +3
        Quote: Terenin
        the Russian holding Russian Helicopters disclaims responsibility for the further safe operation of its machines.
        Nice move with a stand of Kyevlyans. Prepare a contract with more favorable terms for yourself, it is not far off. It's a pity that only after undesirable consequences ...

        You don't know your neighbors well, they will conclude a contract with the Afghans for a large amount, and with us, for repairs, for the same and ... drinks
        1. Terenin
          Terenin 11 December 2020 10: 47
          +4
          Quote: Clear
          Quote: Terenin
          the Russian holding Russian Helicopters disclaims responsibility for the further safe operation of its machines.
          Nice move with a stand of Kyevlyans. Prepare a contract with more favorable terms for yourself, it is not far off. It's a pity that only after undesirable consequences ...

          You don't know your neighbors well, they will conclude a contract with the Afghans for a large amount, and with us, for repairs, for the same and ... drinks

          And, in principle, I also doubt that
          Russian holding "Russian Helicopters"
          does not have commercial intelligence (business intelligence ...) to improve competitiveness. Do you suppose collusion?
    6. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 11 December 2020 10: 21
      0
      How is this possible legally?
      The owner of the MI-17 technology is in Russia.


      It’s not really possible, but ...... Until now, Afghan turntables have been repaired ... here. laughing

      Russia withdrew an official agreement with Bulgaria in 2017 to capitalize the Afghan Mi. Help - TASS, Vladimir Kozhin, Adviser to the President of the Russian Federation for Military-Technical Cooperation.

      Now, obviously, the Ukrainians have decided to grab some American money (because the Americans pay), but they will not come to an agreement with you and will go crazy. But trying is not torture ...
      1. Clear
        Clear 11 December 2020 10: 40
        +5
        Quote: Keyser Soze
        Now, obviously, the Ukrainians have decided to grab some American money (because the Americans pay)
        Doesn't look like Ukrainians winked
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 11 December 2020 10: 46
          0
          Doesn't look like Ukrainians ...


          Well, this is the end of Mi repairs anyway. According to the Americans, the Afghan army will switch to American turntables by 2023. Which is logical, since the money is American. And the Mi 17 will be written off by this time. So if the Ukrainians have time to get something, it will be very modest.
          1. Clear
            Clear 11 December 2020 18: 24
            +4
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            So if Ukrainians have time to get something, it will be very modest.

            It doesn't matter if they have a "dog in the manger" principle towards Russia stop
    7. ancient
      ancient 11 December 2020 11: 48
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      How is this possible legally?

      In the legal ... no way ... but for the Armed Forces of countries that have such helicopters, "repair in the garage" is a significant saving in money ... and for some reason they do not think how sad "side" it is for them will come out or will end
    8. iouris
      iouris 11 December 2020 12: 05
      +1
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      The owner of the MI-17 technology is in Russia.

      Everything is sold if bought. The owner of the Mi-17 repair can be a resident of either the United States or Mexico.
    9. Bar1
      Bar1 13 December 2020 08: 05
      +2
      In Ukraine, they said they "intercepted" an order from Russia for the repair of helicopters for Afghanistan
      Pin_dos rule both in Ukraine and in Afghanistan. Therefore, in order not to pay Russian enterprises, they will shift money from one pocket to another.
      As for the replacement of engines for mi-8/17, then Ukraine will have no problems with TV3-117VMA-SBM1V, it may have already reached 3200hp.
      https://www.aviaport.ru/news/2014/03/25/280255.html
  2. Boris55
    Boris55 11 December 2020 09: 30
    +8
    In Ukraine, they said they "intercepted" an order from Russia for the repair of helicopters for Afghanistan

    After which Afghanistan was left without helicopters ... crying
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 11 December 2020 09: 33
      +6
      You will have to buy new ones.
  3. Avior
    Avior 11 December 2020 09: 32
    -1
    Not quite clear.
    And what engines on the Mi-17 stand if Motor Sich cannot repair them?
    1. Guru
      Guru 11 December 2020 09: 51
      +2
      And what engines on the Mi-17 stand if Motor Sich cannot repair them?
      All export orders were carried out by Motor Sich, this is the Mi-17-B5 version, 80 vehicles were delivered to India. But that was until 2014, and now they are installing the VK-2500 turboshaft engine, a modification of which is installed on the Mi-171A2, was developed at the UEC enterprises to replace the Ukrainian TV3-117. Serial production of the motor was organized in 2015 on the basis of UEC-Klimov.
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 December 2020 10: 20
        -3
        VK-2500 is one of the modifications of TVZ-117, do not let other letters mislead you, it is one and the same engine. It was produced on Motor Sich and later, with the help of the Motor, set up its production on Klimov - first in the form of a screwdriver assembly from kits supplied by Motor Sich, later independently.
        Why he cannot repair them is a mystery, tens of thousands of such engines were produced on the Motor.
        1. Guru
          Guru 11 December 2020 12: 20
          -1
          My colleague agrees. Surely on the Afghan MI-171 there are engines from Motor Sich, but Ruslans were made not only in Ukraine but in Kiev and Ulyanovsk, while the Kiev Aviation Production Association until 1994 built 17 aircraft.
          The Ulyanovsk Aviation Industry Complex built 33 aircraft from 1985 to 1995, but this did not stop them from raising the hype about safety, so this is a return move.
        2. not main
          not main 11 December 2020 20: 05
          0
          Quote: Avior
          VK-2500 is one of the modifications of TVZ-117, do not let other letters mislead you, it is one and the same engine. It was produced on Motor Sich and later, with the help of the Motor, set up its production on Klimov - first in the form of a screwdriver assembly from kits supplied by Motor Sich, later independently.
          Why he cannot repair them is a mystery, tens of thousands of such engines were produced on the Motor.

          There is simply such a thing as a license! And the license is given by the manufacturer of the final product. In our case, this is either the Mil Design Bureau or the Kazan aircraft plant. And licenses can also be revoked, which may have happened to Motor Sich.
          1. Avior
            Avior 12 December 2020 07: 39
            0
            As far as I know, the situation with engines is special.
      2. Reviews
        Reviews 11 December 2020 10: 52
        +2
        Quote: Guru
        Ukrainian TV3-117

        TV-3-117 Soviet / Russian.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 December 2020 12: 37
          -3
          was produced and is produced only in Zaporozhye. only 25000 pieces were made.
          1. Reviews
            Reviews 11 December 2020 12: 55
            +2
            Quote: Avior
            produced and releasedthere is only in Zaporozhye. only 25000 pieces were made.

            Again you ... And again with stupid statements. Developed in the USSR, in Leningrad; produced under the index "VK-2500" in St. Petersburg. Write with chalk on the cuffs and tattoo with a blunt needle on your forehead. Although, you can neither read nor write ... fool
            1. Avior
              Avior 11 December 2020 13: 03
              -2
              an interesting tendency - the more stupid a person writes, the more he is rude. Just some kind of regularity.
              TV-3-117 has been and is being produced only in Zaporozhye for 50 years already.
              And the modification TV3-117VMA with the name VK2500, also produced in Zaporozhye, with the help of the Cossacks, was able to start producing at a plant created for this in St. Petersburg.
              And, like evil tongues, they still cannot do without help from Zaporozhye.
              1. Reviews
                Reviews 11 December 2020 13: 08
                +2
                Quote: Avior
                an interesting tendency - the more stupid a person writes, the more he is rude. Just some kind of regularity.
                TV-3-117 has been and is being produced only in Zaporozhye for 50 years already.
                And the modification TV3-117VMA with the name VK2500, also produced in Zaporozhye, with the help of the Cossacks, was able to start producing at a plant created for this in St. Petersburg.

                To say that he is a stupid ram is not rudeness. And you are a stupid ram. VK-2500 and TV-3-117 are synonyms such as DC-3 and Li-2 or PBY and GTS. And the Soviet engine with Russian ownership TV-3 under the designation "VK-2500" releaseit is not only in Ukraine. But, as I wrote above, you can neither read nor write, so go to the cesspool and don’t bother about it anymore.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 11 December 2020 13: 32
                  -3
                  To say that he is a stupid ram is not rudeness.

                  But the forum is limited by the rules, and sometimes very much it would be desirable - too often stupidity coexists with rudeness.
                  However, there are also obvious cases that do not require ascertaining.
                  It is a little unusual only to observe this on VO, and even systematically. Usually there are people of a slightly different circle.
                  As for the name ....
                  Every VK2500 is a TVZ-117, but not every TVZ-117 is a VK2500.
                  So affordable?
                  1. Reviews
                    Reviews 11 December 2020 15: 17
                    +2
                    Quote: Avior

                    As for the name ....
                    Every VK2500 is a TVZ-117, but not every TVZ-117 is a VK2500.
                    So affordable?

                    "Thoughtfully". :) You didn't even understand what you were trying to answer above. The TV-3-117 family is a Soviet (by development) and Russian (by CD holder) engine. But you have nothing to understand.
  4. Mykhalych
    Mykhalych 11 December 2020 09: 32
    +3
    The list of victims who recklessly trusted the sweet songs of artisans from Ukraine is growing ... They forget one thing, unshakable (or maybe they don't know), - miser pays twice, and sometimes with his own blood.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 11 December 2020 09: 33
    +3
    Something suggests that Afghan servicemen will fly in helicopters repaired in Ukraine, not American ones.
    And first it would be a ride for a week, another would-be repairmen, you see after that no one will have to fly. wassat
  6. Egoza
    Egoza 11 December 2020 09: 45
    +1
    "All refurbished MI-17s are for American pilots only!" Let them accept it with this slogan. Afghans then will not sit on them, but the Americans "let them fly"! wassat
  7. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 December 2020 09: 49
    +1
    To fight on these helicopters for Afghans, and on them both put them with a sitting down.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 December 2020 11: 05
      0
      On one, it seems, the Americans crashed.
      1. boriz
        boriz 11 December 2020 11: 19
        0
        Well, after the Ukrainian repairs, the Americans will not come close to these helicopters.
        You may have forgotten how they repaired the An 26 (for their pilots and cadets) this year, but the Americans are unlikely to forget.
  8. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 December 2020 09: 50
    -3
    There are sanctions against Russian companies. American money ..... the only ones who can adequately repair the SU and transmission are Ukrainians. There is an American avionics.
    Oil Painting.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 11 December 2020 10: 02
      -1
      Quote: Zaurbek
      .the only ones who can adequately repair the SU and transmission are Ukrainians.

      Why is there a red star on the helicopter? Again "zrada" or a desire to cause mistrust in this star, taking into account the "quality of repair"?
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 December 2020 10: 09
        -2
        These are the Afghans-Marxists flying. Or the American communists.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 December 2020 11: 00
          +1
          Or the photo is accidental and has nothing to do with these helicopters - here it is all the time.
          1. boriz
            boriz 11 December 2020 11: 24
            0
            - here it is constantly.

            Yes, not only here, everywhere the same story. Okay, though, the type of helicopter matches, it's already good.
  9. silberwolf88
    silberwolf88 11 December 2020 09: 53
    +1
    an ingenious move ... they destroy helicopters with the hands of horses ... they explain to the Afghans and the surrounding area that the car is so-so ... iiiiii Opa ... they sell their types that are reliable and trouble-free to repair which the outskirts are not entitled to))) ...
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 December 2020 10: 10
      -11%
      The Ukrainians make modern and powerful theaters of the VK2500 level.
      1. Avior
        Avior 11 December 2020 11: 02
        -5
        Motor Sich initially makes VK2500 as well.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 December 2020 11: 04
          -6
          I know .... they made the most powerful version of it 10 years ago. with VK (our) what are the differences in management (FADEC) ......
          1. altimo1
            altimo1 11 December 2020 16: 39
            0
            To do something you need to have industry and science. Project "Ukraine" is ridiculous.
      2. altimo1
        altimo1 11 December 2020 16: 36
        -1
        From shit and branches.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 December 2020 17: 01
          -2
          No. The whole base was there .....
  10. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2020 10: 17
    +3
    Ukraine received certificates giving the right to repair the Mi-17 from the Americans
    And here the Americans have arrogated to themselves the right to decide, and with the issuance of a certificate, who will repair the helicopters. Russian Helicopters did the right thing by officially declaring their responsibility in this case. Well, let the Ukrainians rejoice and dance with the hope that it might be okay. It is surprising that with Ukraine, after numerous cases of direct deception and failure to fulfill their obligations under the agreements, someone else is agreeing on something.
  11. Slipper 2
    Slipper 2 11 December 2020 10: 21
    +1
    hospadi, the fool has no limit of joy fool
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 December 2020 10: 41
    +1
    In five years, they will come back to us and bow down to their feet, and so a good chance to earn money for private helicopter companies, for a lot of money on these same helicopters the repairmen themselves will fly.
    1. altimo1
      altimo1 11 December 2020 16: 34
      -1
      After grief and death.
  13. boriz
    boriz 11 December 2020 11: 06
    +3
    Well, well, in life there is always a place for feat ...
    Afghans are desperate guys. But they follow the news in the post-Soviet space, obviously, inattentively. It would not hurt to tell them that in the summer of this year, the Ukrainians made a rapid overhaul of their own An 26, for their pilots and cadets. And how it ended.
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 11 December 2020 13: 15
      +1
      Quote: boriz
      this summer, the Ukrainians made a rapid overhaul of their own An 26, for their pilots and cadets. And how it ended.

      And what - the investigation of the causes of the disaster has already been completed?
      1. boriz
        boriz 11 December 2020 13: 25
        +2
        Is the investigation into the murder of Buzina over? Is the mass burning of people in Odessa over?
        Now, almost 7 years later, they began to look for the extreme: who gave this Crimea to Russia? Do you think they will find it quickly?
        It is Ukraine ...
        It is enough to know that the overhaul, instead of 3 months according to the schedule, lasted a couple of weeks. That is, in fact, they simply did not do it.
        1. Avior
          Avior 11 December 2020 14: 19
          -1
          everything that was signed was done there.
          there was no major overhaul there and should not have been, there was an extension of the resource.
        2. Reviews
          Reviews 11 December 2020 15: 18
          0
          Quote: boriz
          Is the investigation into the murder of Buzina over? Is the mass burning of people in Odessa over?
          Now, almost 7 years later, they began to look for the extreme: who gave this Crimea to Russia? Do you think they will find it quickly?

          Actually, I asked about something else. Reread.
  14. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 December 2020 11: 22
    -3
    This means that the forelockers offered more favorable terms. It is necessary to spin in the holding, and not to raise the price tags. Competition..
    1. aleksr2005
      aleksr2005 11 December 2020 17: 08
      0
      This is pure politics, what kind of competitive price you are talking about. The Americans put pressure on Afghanistan, that's all. They gave the natives a small order. We compensated a little for the severing of ties with Russia.
    2. Lptsk
      Lptsk 14 December 2020 20: 53
      0
      which are profitable? They can overhaul the engines. But other? Glider, propellers, gearbox, transmission. That Ukrainians will subscribe to any kipesh is understandable, money doesn't smell. But here are serious things, operational safety. And correctly, Rosvertol will revoke the certificate. We are responsible for the garage helicopter service.
  15. Nitarius
    Nitarius 11 December 2020 11: 25
    +1
    no no .. the USA gave the certificate .. let them fly! why should the Afghans be substituted
  16. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 11 December 2020 12: 55
    +1
    I am telling you what the repair of the Mi-8 is. Engines, gearboxes, blades NV, RV have their own resource. If it is enough, the helicopter can simply be painted and said that the fuselage was defective and everything will be fine. The Eight will stand it. It's another matter if the above-mentioned units have run out of resources. In Ukraine, they can still repair all this, the only problem will arise with the main gearbox and HB blades, production is only in our country. I would have listened with interest how they will be replaced on Afghan turntables, especially since the blades are not repaired. But since they will fly until 2023-24, I think they will also just paint))).
    1. Reviews
      Reviews 11 December 2020 13: 17
      +1
      Quote: Dmitriy444
      how they change them on Afghan turntables, the more the blades are not repaired.

      For example, they will buy from the Russian Federation through Belarus.
    2. Avior
      Avior 11 December 2020 14: 07
      -1
      the blades are being repaired.



      Motor Sich is using used blades for now, new production of composite blades is on the verge of launch.

      Zaporozhye Aircraft Building Plant Motor Sich has completed commissioning works for the production of composite blades.

      As the press service of the enterprise reported, unique high-tech equipment was purchased for the production, which has no analogues not only in Ukraine, but also in the entire post-Soviet space.

      ... In 2020 Motor Sich plans to switch from the production of only motors to integrated helicopter construction. The company has already mastered and launched the production of almost all the parts necessary for the MSB-2 Nadia helicopter; specialists have developed a new cabin, a gearbox with an increased resource, as well as the latest fifth-generation engine. The domestic helicopter will be civil and 40% composed of composite materials.

      http://www.wing.com.ua/content/view/24795/38/
      hi
      1. Looking for
        Looking for 11 December 2020 17: 58
        0
        Well, you can produce any pieces of paper.
      2. Looking for
        Looking for 11 December 2020 18: 00
        0
        Ukrainian braggart were. are and will be.
      3. Dmitriy444
        Dmitriy444 11 December 2020 18: 41
        +1
        "the blades are being repaired." - You put me out as an ignoramus? For you, the great Sumerians - the HB blades ARE NOT REPAIRED! They are sawn and delivered in non-ferrous metals. If they are "being repaired" in Ukraine, I would also add icons to the kit for the crew, well, for your church there. It will be very useful to them.
    3. Lptsk
      Lptsk 14 December 2020 20: 58
      0
      I agree. On this calculation and goes. The overhaul of the gearbox and screws most likely did not come out. A routine inspection type will be carried out, tinted and said everything is ok.
  17. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 11 December 2020 15: 54
    +3
    In Ukraine, they said that they "intercepted" an order from Russia for the repair of helicopters for Afghanistan ....... in a laugh ... there are a couple of buckets of paint left from the tanks left by the junta !!!!!
  18. altimo1
    altimo1 11 December 2020 16: 33
    0
    There will be one more proof that the Ukrainianized Buratins are not capable of anything.
  19. aleksr2005
    aleksr2005 11 December 2020 17: 03
    +1
    The American master does not let his natives die of hunger. So he put pressure on Afghanistan. This is a small compensation for breaking ties with Russia.
  20. Growlers
    Growlers 11 December 2020 18: 17
    -1
    First they dump and then "make repairs" tyap blooper ....
  21. NF68
    NF68 11 December 2020 18: 50
    0
    Afghanistan, of course, is still a hole, but even there they have to guess for a long time how reliable Ukrainian enterprises and orders in the country are as business partners.
  22. Vdi73
    Vdi73 11 December 2020 19: 32
    0
    Even if you "intercepted" what a great achievement, arrange an all-Ukrainian drinking bout on this occasion.
  23. xomaNN
    xomaNN 12 December 2020 21: 05
    0
    It is naive to expect the Yankees to comply with international laws belay
    They always put a big device on all non-American laws
  24. Eug
    Eug 15 December 2020 21: 18
    0
    Americans pay money for repairs and determine the contractor accordingly. Surely they "adjusted the pill" after the ban on the sale of MS to China. As already happened with the turbines of Kharkov for the Iranian nuclear power plant - the losses of Ukrainian enterprises are millions (if not billions, as in the case of the MS), but the so-called. "compensation" is scanty in comparison with the losses, but it was received from the table of the "owner" ...