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Aliyev: Turkish UAVs "Bayraktar" played an exceptional role in Azerbaijan's victory

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Aliyev: Turkish UAVs "Bayraktar" played an exceptional role in Azerbaijan's victory

The Bayraktar TB2 unmanned complex, supplied to the Azerbaijani army by Turkish allies, played an exceptional role in the victory of Azerbaijan over Armenia in the war for Nagorno-Karabakh. This was stated by the President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev during a military parade in Baku.


The famous Bayraktar, a product of the Turkish defense industry, has brought about great changes and has played an exceptional role in our success. The whole world has once again witnessed the intelligence and talent of the Turkish people, convinced that Turkish industry is a developed industry

- said the Azerbaijani leader in his speech to the participants of the parade.

As noted by the Azerbaijani and Turkish press, Turkish Bayraktar TB2 drones became "one of the symbols of victory" of the Azerbaijani army in Nagorno-Karabakh, destroying a large number of enemy military equipment and playing an "exceptional role."


During the parade dedicated to the victory of Azerbaijan in the war over Armenia, Turkish drones were shown to the general public. Bayraktar TB2, installed on the platform of military trucks, marched in the parade column in front of the podium, where there were two presidents at once - the head of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev and the Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 11 December 2020 08: 17
    -2
    Who can argue ... although, on the other side of the conflict, they helped so that it was possible to launch kites with lemon, the effect would not be much less.
    1. The comment was deleted.
      1. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 11 December 2020 08: 41
        -3
        Quote: Artavazdych
        composition in no way less than 5 thousand

        3 colonels
        23 lieutenant colonels
        49 majors
        54 captains
        103 senior lieutenants
        147 lieutenants
        5 junior lieutenants
        267 warrant officers
        696 military personnel on contract
        1241 soldiers
        7 Midshipmen
        1. Artavazdych
          Artavazdych 11 December 2020 08: 42
          0
          Yeah. Only they were very modest with the soldiers. The disproportion is obvious.
          1. OgnennyiKotik
            OgnennyiKotik 11 December 2020 09: 00
            -6
            Quote: Artavazdych
            The disproportion is obvious.

            Loss of Russia in Syria, did thousands of soldiers die here too? For 3 generals and 28 officers, 17 privates were killed. These are modern wars.
            3 generals;
            7 pilots;
            17 military advisers;
            2 officers of special operations forces;
            2 officers of the Russian Center for the Reconciliation of Warring Parties in Syria;
            2 military medics;
            14 soldiers;
            3 marines;
            39 servicemen in the An-26 crash;
            15 servicemen in the crash of the Il-20 aircraft.
            1. Artavazdych
              Artavazdych 11 December 2020 09: 13
              -3
              No need to rub the bullshit here.
              Ours in Syria are, first of all, the Aerospace Forces and military experts.
            2. lopvlad
              lopvlad 11 December 2020 21: 47
              +1
              Quote: OgnennyiKotik
              Russian losses in Syria


              Russia in Syria is a VKS where a priori it cannot be without a rank at the helm of an airplane or a helicopter, MTR and medics are entirely people with officer ranks. At the same time, victims of plane crashes not for military reasons (shelling, detonation) are at least as great as victims of the war in Syria. strange.
              At the same time, these are the losses of Russia for 5 years of the war in Syria, while during this time 133 thousand terrorists were destroyed there.
              How many losses did Armenia suffer during the conflict to be able to assert that Azerbaijan has created a strong and effective armed forces?
              And in Karabakh there was a land war where the main air force was the very same drones. The fact that Azerbaijan lost more than 5 thousand of its soldiers during the autumn conflict in Karabakh is no longer objectionable to any of the experts.

              Aliyev is right that on their part drones proved to be exceptional, and they were effective because the Soros structures showed themselves exclusively in Armenia by placing their protégés at the top of the country's power.
          2. saigon
            saigon 11 December 2020 09: 01
            +6
            In principle, most likely no, they were not being modest, this was noted earlier as an example of the defeat of France at the beginning of WWII, every fourth killed by the French was an officer. The Wehrmacht's losses in officers were high in the Polish company, in France, with the accumulated experience, losses in the officers were decreasing.
            The losses in senior officers are not so much clear, here is the question from where the colonels and lieutenant colonels (there were no defeats)
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 11 December 2020 09: 04
              -2
              Quote: saigon
              here is the question from where the colonels and lieutenant colonels (there were no defeats)

              From where we have in Syria, 3 generals were killed. There were no defeats either.
              1. saigon
                saigon 11 December 2020 09: 05
                +5
                We, as always, from carelessness, whatever one may say.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 11 December 2020 09: 10
                  0
                  Well no. There is a hunt for the highest command staff, for them you can get a very good bash.
                  1. Albay
                    Albay 12 December 2020 21: 26
                    +1
                    Hello fire kitten. I don’t think it’s a matter of hunting senior command personnel. It is unlikely that a shell or a bullet distinguishes an officer from a soldier and the equipment is the same. It's just that in this war, the commanders rushed into battle ahead of the soldiers. That time it was different, soldiers, the officers were eager to liberate their homes. Look at the commander of the 1st army corps, Major General Barkhudarov, at the age of 13, was expelled from the city of Gubatly and liberated his city with battles, the commander of the 2nd AK was expelled from the village of Pirallakhi of the Fizuli region and he was released. Kombrig Colonel Shukur Gamidov died liberating his city Gubatly and hundreds of such officers in the army.A completely different motivation.Many officers are fighters of various special forces that stormed the heights and cities.
            2. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 11 December 2020 09: 19
              +11
              Quote: saigon

              The losses in senior officers are not so much clear, here is the question from where the colonels and lieutenant colonels (there were no defeats)

              Were on the front line - it is quite normal for the same IDF
          3. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 11 December 2020 09: 18
            +10
            Quote: Artavazdych
            Yeah. Only they were very modest with the soldiers. The disproportion is obvious.

            about 40 percent of Israeli infantry casualties are junior officers. Such losses indicate the presence of officers on the front line.
            1. saigon
              saigon 11 December 2020 09: 38
              +7
              Well, I don’t know the states of the Azerbaijani army, how many officers there are in the company.
              I just think that the losses in the rank and file are indicated truthfully.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 11 December 2020 10: 22
                +1
                I think, like everywhere else - 3 platoon commanders, a company commander and a deputy.
                1. Albay
                  Albay 12 December 2020 21: 46
                  +1
                  In this war, as I understand it, they stormed in consolidated groups of 12-15 people. Almost all groups of 2-3 people were special forces. Most of the losses were from artillery and mortars.
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 13 December 2020 10: 54
                    +1
                    Greetings Parviz! hi
                    Ok, but in such a group there must necessarily be one letekha, 5 such groups must be supervised by at least a captain, majors, lieutenants must advance after them, and a whole colonel must lead the actions, because they solve problems not trivial
              2. Albay
                Albay 12 December 2020 21: 44
                +1
                Some of the dead officers, especially senior command personnel, are officers of various special forces who participated in the storming of cities and heights. Many officers are former refugees and they rushed into battle ahead of their fighters. And traditions have changed since the training takes place in the Turkish order. The attitude of officers and soldiers. hazing and corruption in the army has long been eradicated. Officers try to protect soldiers and risk themselves more.
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 13 December 2020 10: 56
                  +1
                  I think that's not the point. Letekha is a fighter commander. Must go first. The captain, who is in the thick of things, coordinates the actions of the flyers, etc.
                  I agree about the officers of the special forces.
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 11 December 2020 08: 43
        +5
        Quote: Artavazdych
        As for the other side of the conflict, I would not.

        Boom objective ... I never wrote ANYTHING, did not speak for the fighters, on either side of the conflict ... I DON'T KNOW, therefore I don’t write.
        The miscalculations of the command, the political leadership of the parties, are visible even from the side, from the couch ... even if we do not know everything, but the most obvious is in plain sight. However, the versions explaining the events are many and different, therefore our opinion is subjective ... just for the "chatterbox" what VO is.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 09: 00
          +7
          our opinion is subjective ... just for the "talker" what the VO is.

          How to say what sometimes our opinion is watched by interested people from different structures (not only ours) ... after that the window of opportunities for collecting information is constantly narrowing.
          I remember how videos of our drones with artillery were uploaded to VO ... now they covered it up.
          You have to use the enemy's resources to find out the truth.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 December 2020 09: 09
            +3
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            sometimes our opinion is viewed by interested people from different structures (not only ours)

            Well, yes, they may not draw the correct / their conclusions and slap them on the ears .... this is for the local ones.
            but to the local ... you can only feel sorry for them !!! no automation, when considering the diversity of opinions and information, WILL HELP! but to read all this and not go crazy, plunge into paranoia, there is no chance for a person, NOT OUR, by definition soldier
            1. Lech from Android.
              Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 09: 18
              0
              well, yes, they may not draw the correct / their conclusions and slap on the ears

              Well, they have their own sources of information (when making a decision on our opinion, they sneeze) ... but why should we shut off the oxygen by closing informative sources?
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 December 2020 09: 25
                0
                Ha, so even more interesting.
                The flight of fantasy is not limited by any framework of real, objective information!
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 11 December 2020 10: 48
          +8
          Quote: rocket757
          Quote: Artavazdych
          As for the other side of the conflict, I would not.

          Boom in objective ... I never wrote ANYTHING, did not speak for the fighters, on either side of the conflict ... I DON'T KNOW, therefore I don’t write.
          The miscalculations of the command, the political leadership of the parties, are visible even from the side, from the couch ... even if we do not know everything, but the most obvious is in plain sight. However, the versions explaining the events are many and different, therefore our opinion is subjective ... just for the "chatterbox" what VO is.

          Objectively speaking, even for those losses that were officially recognized in Yerevan and Baku, it turns out almost 3 thousand on each side, which in such a short period of time of the active phase of hostilities can be assessed by the notion - "too much. At the same time, to be objective, such losses were inflicted on Azerbaijanis by the Armenians without the active use of UAVs. It is clear that the attacking side always loses more than the defending side (proportionally 1x3), but nevertheless, even with such a beating from the air, the Armenians resisted quite effectively, but again, not for long. If Pashinyan, in addition to his ambitions, had his own head, the defeat of Armenia would be less catastrophic both in terms of human losses and territorial losses. Now they have only one thing left to do, to accept the meaning of the saying - "Having lost their heads in their hair, they don't cry," and to everyone else to learn a lesson from the fact that the friendship of their politicians with the West definitely leads to human and territorial losses. Ukraine is also an example of this.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 December 2020 11: 17
            +3
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            If Pashinyan, in addition to his ambitions, had his own head, then the defeat of Armenia would be

            The category "would" is always very vague, unsteady ... not one, so another and not the fact that it is much better / worse.
            We simply state that effective, high-quality training and leadership in a crisis situation is extremely important!
      3. VyacheSeymour
        VyacheSeymour 11 December 2020 16: 20
        0
        That by a simple calculation shows that the losses in the rank and file are in no way less than 5 thousand. But rather closer to 10. This is without barmaley.

        Even at the beginning of the conflict, I predicted that, according to the calculations of the greatest warriors in history, the losses of Azerbaijanis would be more, well, no less than twice !!! - and this is the minimum ...
    2. Civil
      Civil 11 December 2020 08: 34
      +3
      And those 2800 (approximately) dead young Azerbaijanis did not play any role? Indeed, in the East, man is a consumable.
    3. Artavazdych
      Artavazdych 12 December 2020 13: 59
      -3
      Oh my comment was deleted again))
      Which proves for the hundredth time that the site is moderated by the Turks. Well, who needs it, have already read it.
  2. Cananecat
    Cananecat 11 December 2020 08: 18
    -1
    Yes ... yes ... yes ... and we have already worked out the concept of combating UAVs in limited conditions.
  3. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 December 2020 08: 31
    -3
    Lessons must be learned from the defeat of Armenia ... and from someone to buy a UAV. And somewhere to get money.
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 11 December 2020 11: 58
      -6
      we need to produce our own
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 11 December 2020 12: 04
        0
        Let them produce ... If it is expensive to make UAVs themselves, then the ammunition must be made by ourselves for sure. I'm talking about the Armenians. And for the Russian Federation there is no other way out. Local UAVs and local ammunition and independent export of systems
  4. askort154
    askort154 11 December 2020 08: 32
    +9
    Azeybarjan began intensively preparing for war, from the moment
    procurement of weapons and UAVs from Turkey and Israel.
    1. Suleyman
      Suleyman 11 December 2020 17: 03
      +2
      They bought in Israel for 1,6 billion, in Turkey for 270 million, and in Russia for 5 billion. If you are already writing, let's go to the end ...
  5. APASUS
    APASUS 11 December 2020 08: 48
    +9
    I believe that even without a Bayraktar TB2 UAV, Baku would have won the war. The fact is that Armenia was headed by that leader, and the war ended after Armenia was left without resources. The economy won.
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 11 December 2020 08: 55
      -5
      Quote: APASUS
      The economy won here.

      Russia won. We entered there and are not going to leave from there yet. Whenever such a case would have presented itself. thanks to Erdogan.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 December 2020 09: 01
        +8
        Quote: Boris55
        Russia won. We entered there and are not going to leave from there yet.

        Everyone won, except for Karabakh. In fact, Armenia got rid of the support of the unrecognized republic. Baku received its lands, Turkey gained unlimited influence in the Caucasus.
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 09: 09
          +5
          Turkey gained unlimited influence in the Caucasus

          And the opportunity to move further in our direction ... where is the guarantee that Turkey will not show itself anywhere in Tatarstan or the Volga region.
          1. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 11 December 2020 10: 35
            0
            And the opportunity to move further in our direction .... Ramzan should be asked. the first onslaught !!!! along the way
        2. Petro_tut
          Petro_tut 11 December 2020 10: 00
          +3
          You forgot about the barmaley who are now not in Syria but in Arzeibajan, no one took them anywhere
          1. Suleyman
            Suleyman 11 December 2020 17: 07
            +1
            And on this occasion there are good docks? If not, then you are a balabol!
        3. NI1
          NI1 11 December 2020 10: 16
          +1
          And what did Russia get?
          1. Elephant
            Elephant 11 December 2020 11: 26
            +2
            Quote: NI1
            And what did Russia get?

            I got a donut hole! Strengthening Turkish influence in the region and strengthening the Azeri-Turkish union, serious material and financial costs of Russia in Karabakh, as well as demonstration of the advantages of modern devices and new tactics of warfare by potential adversaries.
          2. Gardener91
            Gardener91 11 December 2020 21: 37
            +1
            Quote: NI1
            And what did Russia get?

            Experience.
      2. New Year day
        New Year day 11 December 2020 09: 57
        +7
        Quote: Boris55
        We entered there and are not going to leave from there yet.

        Even in 5 years, when will Baku refuse to prolong it? By the way, you know that the Turks are planning to populate the regions with their own Basmachs. True, Aliyev's reaction to this is unknown.
        Already today Russia has again banned the import of tomatoes from Baku and Turkey, which can be regarded as a demarche.
        Can you predict the situation in 5 years in this situation
        1. Suleyman
          Suleyman 11 December 2020 17: 08
          -5
          A day later, Russia also banned the import of products from Armenia. Also a demarche?
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 11 December 2020 18: 08
            +31
            Quote: Suleyman
            A day later, Russia also banned the import of products from Armenia. Also a demarche?

            what is the problem?
      3. Suleyman
        Suleyman 11 December 2020 17: 04
        -3
        Think in the wrong place!
    2. loki565
      loki565 11 December 2020 09: 23
      +6
      I believe that even without a Bayraktar TB2 UAV, Baku would have won the war. The fact is that Armenia was headed by that leader, and the war ended after Armenia was left without resources. The economy won.

      Probably not, the ground forces were very stuck and suffered losses on the first line, if the UAVs had not knocked out artillery and tanks, disrupted supplies, from which some units had to retreat from their positions, corny ran out of food and ammunition, then everything ended as usual in 5 days. They would wave their fists and disperse.
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 11 December 2020 09: 32
      +17
      Is not a fact. For a very long time only. Yes, Aliyev built a stronger state and an army. And the soldiers have a smell there. Well, without advanced means of warfare, it would have been a la PMA with gigantic losses, slow pushing through, exhaustion. And the NKR would have held out for half a year or a year.

      However, the UAVs, by spikes, carried up to 100 tanks, about 50 BMP / MTLB, a bunch of hail and cannons only along Lostarmor. This is the first, that is, direct losses.

      The second is the constraint of forces. Without loitering TV2 - NKR could actively maneuver resources and stop the same southern breakthrough. And so, to push reinforcements in small groups at night, someone fell under the distribution, someone fell behind, someone was pulled by the locals to extinguish their site. Well, then the counters under the life-giving volleys of Grad and Tornadoes with correction through the UAV end badly too.

      A fundamental opportunity to smoke equipment from high-rise buildings. Here, dug-in tanks can do a lot of things, and they have been repaired with spikes once and again.



      The third is the suppression of personnel. When the hated Azerbaijanis are ahead, you can fight to the death, and whoever runs is not a man. When in front of your eyes, half of the platoon is simply killed, no one knows where, and first by filling up the squad, and then those who dig them out. Somehow the desire to get out of this hell increases dramatically.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 10: 13
        +4
        Yes ... what destroy two tanks ... sitting at the control panel hundreds of kilometers away without any physical effort and the danger of being killed by return fire.
        This is what our army and the country's leadership must strive for ... to destroy the enemy without entering into fire contact with him ... in this way we will save thousands and thousands of lives of our soldiers and officers from death.
        1. Crimean partisan 1974
          Crimean partisan 1974 11 December 2020 10: 41
          -3
          destroy two tanks ... sitting at the control panel hundreds of kilometers away ... yes Lyokha ... but there is one thing ... but to overwhelm two tanks of the DPR Armed Forces, then the Armed Forces took only half of their combat aviation. did not count. their DNRs beat like flies ... it's just the Armenians got into a mess with Pashinyan
          1. Lech from Android.
            Lech from Android. 11 December 2020 16: 55
            +1
            and the drones didn't even count. their DNRs beat like flies ... it's just the Armenians got into a mess with Pashinyan
            A week ago, there was a shelling with a drone of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. Two fighters of the LPNR were killed. The drone was shot down, but the dead people cannot be returned.
            Not an equivalent exchange. So you can't get enough people.
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 11 December 2020 18: 31
              -1
              A week ago, there was a shelling with the help of an APU drone ....... Lyokha, wasp bites are certainly painful, but nevertheless the fact remains --- a properly organized air defense is bearing fruit .... pin pricks in the back are not one and the same as the conduct of full-scale hostilities .... I just provided information that a properly organized defense, even based on MANPADS. inflicts tangible losses ... this does not apply to Armenians ... just stupid about .....
          2. Overlock
            Overlock 11 December 2020 18: 09
            +37
            Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
            their DNRs beat like flies ... it's just the Armenians got into a mess with Pashinyan

            Are you resting on your laurels?
            1. Crimean partisan 1974
              Crimean partisan 1974 11 December 2020 18: 32
              -2
              Are you resting on your laurels? .... I state a fact
        2. Suleyman
          Suleyman 11 December 2020 17: 13
          +2
          Well, this is not in hundreds of kilometers, but at a distance of 8-15 km.
    4. Wolf
      Wolf 11 December 2020 10: 40
      -2
      The political elite won here, and the general staff of Azerbaijan which was preparing for war. On the other side, there were simply stavleniks of Sorosh and deeply the powers of the United States of gold lovers and traitors to their people. Why wasn't Kasparov invited to complete the team?
  6. Ros 56
    Ros 56 11 December 2020 08: 50
    -6
    All these toys, for the time being, will find an antidote against them, but this will certainly happen, and then what will the Aliyevs sing?
    1. Boris55
      Boris55 11 December 2020 09: 01
      -2
      Quote: Ros 56
      will find an antidote against them

      So already found and long ago. After we intercepted two drones in Crimea, one of which was successfully planted on our territory, they no longer want to give us such gifts. Yes, and in Syria, we train with drones.
      1. Ros 56
        Ros 56 11 December 2020 09: 15
        0
        This is good, but a little different, I would probably compare it with an ATGM, I saw a tank, and there is no tank. At this level, and it doesn't even matter how to disable it, destroy it mechanically, or burn the onboard electronics.
      2. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 12 December 2020 09: 01
        0
        So already found and long ago. ...... and it is useless to explain it to the dryers. they even scratch their heads, so it's easier to close the topic
  7. Simfy
    Simfy 11 December 2020 08: 53
    +2
    "a good show is more expensive than money" ... and even more so when there is a reason
  8. KVU-NSVD
    KVU-NSVD 11 December 2020 09: 30
    +7
    Normally, I attached myself to a flabby point. Looks like the Turks run the ball there not like a child
  9. Alt 22
    Alt 22 11 December 2020 10: 05
    -1
    An exceptional role in the defeat of Karabakh was played by the lack of a sufficient number of modern air defense systems with trained crews.
    And in Libya and Syria, "Armor" staged a real drone fall!
    1. Albay
      Albay 12 December 2020 22: 04
      0
      All calculations were trained in Russia, the Air Defense System of Armenia is united with the Russian one.
      1. Alt 22
        Alt 22 12 December 2020 23: 12
        0
        Armenia, not Karabakh. If Russian air defense personnel entered Karabakh, the wreckage of Turkish drones would decorate the sky of Armenian Karabakh with a fiery rain!
        And so - there were almost no "Shells", as well as NORMALLY trained calculations.
        1. Albay
          Albay 13 December 2020 01: 31
          0
          Ang, you write. All the air defense in Karabakh was from Armenia and was controlled by the Armenian military who were trained by the Russian military. All the air defense of the Azerbaijani army destroyed both the s-300 and the TOP s.
          If only ...
          Dade on the territory of Armenia were destroyed "Elbrus" and "point U".
          2 s-300 were also destroyed in the territory of Armenia, on the border with Azerbaijan.
          1. Alt 22
            Alt 22 16 December 2020 10: 40
            0
            First, there were not enough new air defense systems in Karabakh. The old ones have not seen the UAV. Your statements that allegedly "All air defense in Karabakh was from Armenia and was controlled by the Armenian military" are unprovable and unfounded. And what trained calculations are capable of, we saw in Syria and Libya, where your UAV was staged a real drone attack, and if there were Russian and not Arab air defense personnel, the losses of the air defense system would be even less, and your losses - even more, the Arabs have combat capability for some reason, when working with equipment, it is always lower than that of Russians ...
  10. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 11 December 2020 10: 31
    +1
    The famous "Bayraktar", which is a product of the Turkish defense industry, has led to great changes and played an exceptional role in our success .......... wrong .. not bayraktar but pashinyan
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 December 2020 10: 32
    +2
    You can't think of a better advertisement for Bayraktar TB2. Therefore, Ukraine is already stumbling in haste to buy them, hoping that with their help it will definitely capture Donbass. But they modestly keep quiet about how many of these UAVs were shot down in Syria and Libya.
    Judging by the reaction to the comments, Azerbaijani citizens who had been making noise on the site for more than a month quietly returned.
  12. Wolf
    Wolf 11 December 2020 11: 03
    +3
    The political elite won here, and the general staff of Azerbaijan which was preparing for war. On the other side, there were simply stavleniks of Sorosh and deeply the powers of the United States of gold lovers and traitors to their people. Why wasn't Kasparov invited to complete the team?
    The tactics of using UAVs will only develop, point weapons and UAVs are a terrible combination. Intelligence has also risen to a much higher level, it does not say how much the army's actions have accelerated.
    Modern warfare requires FAST ARMY MOVEMENT AND QUICK DECISIONS AND ACTIONS ON A LARGE SCALE.
    The Azerbeydzhan generals understood this, or maybe the Turkish people helped.
    But it is obvious that at the tactical level the Azerbaijani army was several levels above the Armenian one.
    Thank God the war was not long so that the people would suffer. This is the goal of a good military action and will quickly destroy the enemy's strength in the military without civilian casualties!
    For NATO, this is unattainable or does NATO have a goal of more dead civilians?
  13. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 11 December 2020 11: 34
    0
    The main role was played by indifference, traitors in power and unpreparedness of Armenia and the rest from this.
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 11 December 2020 17: 20
      0
      The main role was played by indifference, traitors in power and unpreparedness of Armenia and the rest from this.

      And all wars are lost ...
  14. maxim k.
    maxim k. 11 December 2020 13: 22
    -4
    And why did all these Turkish Bayraktars not show themselves in Syria? Because Russia had an echeloned air defense system. As the Azerbaijanis are modestly silent about this, but victorious reports in Karabakh to the right and to the left.
    1. VyacheSeymour
      VyacheSeymour 11 December 2020 19: 36
      +1
      And why did all these Turkish Bayraktars not show themselves in Syria?

      Genocide of Syrian armored vehicles staged? Large-scale Syrian offensive thwarted? Lost Bayraktars? - that's why they are drones.
  15. VyacheSeymour
    VyacheSeymour 11 December 2020 17: 03
    +2
    Azeybarjan began intensively preparing for war, from the moment
    procurement of weapons and UAVs from Turkey and Israel.

    You are wrong ... Azerbaijan began preparing for war even when in 1994 (the enemy's expenses for the army were equal) Heydar Aliyev agreed to a cease-fire ... The expenses of Armenians on the army in those days were even higher than those of Azerbaijan! Due to Western (150 liams) and diaspora (150 more liams) aid, the budget of Armenia amounted to $ 475 million, while Azerbaijan had $ 500 million ... He said even then: - The strong economies are winning! ... ), but deliberately POSTPONED!
    The Armenians did not hear this ...
  16. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 12 December 2020 11: 39
    0
    Quote: lopvlad
    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
    Russian losses in Syria


    Russia in Syria is a VKS where a priori it cannot be without a rank at the helm of an airplane or a helicopter, MTR and medics are entirely people with officer ranks. At the same time, victims of plane crashes not for military reasons (shelling, detonation) are at least as great as victims of the war in Syria. strange.
    At the same time, these are the losses of Russia for 5 years of the war in Syria, while during this time 133 thousand terrorists were destroyed there.
    How many losses did Armenia suffer during the conflict to be able to assert that Azerbaijan has created a strong and effective armed forces?
    And in Karabakh there was a land war where the main air force was the very same drones. The fact that Azerbaijan lost more than 5 thousand of its soldiers during the autumn conflict in Karabakh is no longer objectionable to any of the experts.

    Aliyev is right that on their part drones proved to be exceptional, and they were effective because the Soros structures showed themselves exclusively in Armenia by placing their protégés at the top of the country's power.

    Who has it from the "experts"? Something besides you, I have not heard opinions about the alleged 5 thousand losses at Az.VS. Do not pass off what you want as valid. There is evidence, no, so leave your "calculations" to yourself. Azerbaijan is also confident that the real irrecoverable losses of Armenians are approaching the figure of 10 thousand people, but no one imposes this on anyone.
  17. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 12 December 2020 11: 51
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    And those 2800 (approximately) dead young Azerbaijanis did not play any role? Indeed, in the East, man is a consumable.

    And the mountain theater of operations (the offensive went from the lowlands to the mountains), the fortification of the Armenian positions, the presence of the Armenian Armed Forces of a huge number of armored vehicles (total number of more than 1000 units) in positions (only 316 tanks), art and MLRS that were needed knock out without the use of manned aircraft and the relatively fast pace of the offensive should not be taken into account? Let me remind you that the Turkish Armed Forces, which massively used manned aviation (+ UAVs), in the complete absence of heavy weapons and air defense from the Kurdish SDF and PKK, managed to take control of Afrin in only 64 days.
    Operations in Syria and Iraq, incl. I will not mention the protracted epics of the capture of Mosul, Aleppo, Deir Az-Zor, Al-Fallujah and the loss of Iranian, Syrian and proxy units.
  18. Scorpio05
    Scorpio05 12 December 2020 12: 14
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    Quote: Boris55
    We entered there and are not going to leave from there yet.

    Even in 5 years, when will Baku refuse to prolong it? By the way, you know that the Turks are planning to populate the regions with their own Basmachs. True, Aliyev's reaction to this is unknown.
    Already today Russia has again banned the import of tomatoes from Baku and Turkey, which can be regarded as a demarche.
    Can you predict the situation in 5 years in this situation

    At least for the sake of reliability, you will swear by your mother or something (with full respect to the most respectable woman). And then you declare, and you know that they say so and so, the Turks will grow anti-Armenian crocodiles and send them gloatingly in Khankendi (Stepanakert).
    And he doesn't know. He does not read articles of hired scribblers from the garbage resources of Aram Gabrielyanov. He is not interested in him, like all normal people)