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Reflections on the border shootout

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Source: Jack # 1, Wikimedia Commons


There is practically no material on the shootout on the Russian-Ukrainian border. All articles published by Russian and Ukrainian media are based on reports from Komsomolskaya Pravda and the Wargozo channel. Even the message of the Russian Investigative Committee is just an addition to what has already been published. The reason for this silence is understandable. An investigation is underway, and no one has the right to disclose its materials.

What is known from the media


So, it is known from media reports that a group of four people, one of whom was a "cargo", tried to break through the Russian-Ukrainian border. When passing the border strip, the group was noticed by border guards, who set up a barrier. During the clash, the "load" was thrown, one of the Ukrainians was killed, two others broke into the territory of Ukraine, where they were met by the special forces who were waiting for them.

According to information received from the Investigative Committee of Russia, a submachine gun, a radio and a night vision device were found on the deceased Ukrainian. And according to the Ukrainian branch of Radio Liberty, the murdered smuggler Yevgeny Golubev, born in 1993, who had already been brought to criminal responsibility earlier.

Then, several Russian media outlets immediately reported that Golubev was a member of the Special Forces of Ukraine. Then the fantasy played out. It was the DRG MTR of Ukraine, which was trying to take out the former commander of the Donbass militia. And this group was successfully dispersed by border guards. Yes, it was so successful, especially for a night battle, that the "cargo" was intact. Well, it also happens ... Probably.

I will not talk about some doubts about this version of events. No information - no conclusions. Therefore, we will wait for the official reports of counterintelligence officers and investigators. But it is worth talking about whether the Ukrainian intelligence officers on our territory feel too at ease, and whether we are too liberal towards traitors.

Control over foreigners needs to be strengthened


The fact that the saboteurs are some secret paths with hooves in their hands and a bag of weapons and ammunition crawl across the border on koryachki, let's leave Sentsov for the director. It is not in vain that the border guards are saying a rather hackneyed phrase about "locked border". Today, there are so many technical means that help to control all border posts that even a wolf will not cross the border without the knowledge of the border guards.

Probably, many have seen a fairly large number of videos on the Internet, when there were "border incidents" between wolves, bears and other animals "representing" different countries. A man, even a very well trained one, has little more chance than these animals.

Today you don't have to risk your own skin at the border. The firefight on December 4 showed the outcome of this risk. And the fact that someone managed to break through raises big questions. Today they use completely different schemes. Especially in the situation with Ukrainians in Russia.

Everyone knows that today there are more than three million of them on our territory. As well as the fact that, due to certain circumstances, they are forced to periodically travel to their homeland in order to receive the necessary marks in the documents. They are quite loyal and benevolent people, some of whom have been living in Russia for decades and have never been noticed in any illegal actions. For a common man in the street, these have long been our people. Nobody even remembers that they are citizens of another, anti-Russian state.

Today, the Ministry of State Security of the Donbass republics is well aware of how intelligence officers are recruited. Recruitment methods have not changed since the days of King Pea. A person is put in such conditions when he simply has no other choice but to agree to work for the intelligence of his state. How many such "spies" were caught in Donetsk and Lugansk. How many retired grandmothers told the “kind people” about their defenders, who “dug trenches right in my garden” and now protect their grandmother from the Ukrainian army.

Alas, control over citizens who periodically leave for the territory of Ukraine must be strengthened. We must move away from the blissful state of a united people. Today Ukraine is an enemy. Cunning and capable of any meanness. Numerous acts of sabotage not only in Donbass, but also in Russia have proved this. Let us recall the attempts to carry out sabotage in Crimea, recall the "33 heroes" in Belarus, recall the July detention of a group of Russians in the Moscow region while planning to kidnap and hand over to Ukraine one of the leaders of the Donbass militia.

Why are Ukrainian migrant workers dangerous?


For many Ukrainians who come to work for us, Russia is a great place where you can somehow improve your financial situation. Naturally, such people are looking for high-paying jobs and gladly agree, for example, to become a courier for drug dealers. In this case, you can earn big money in a short time. According to information from the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia, today it is the Ukrainian diaspora that leads in the number of couriers in Russia.

To condemn Ukrainians for their desire to earn a lot and quickly? So they came to Russia for this. And the fact that they do not understand that they are acting against the law is stupidity. Everyone understands what they get money for. And this is not the main thing. The main thing is that in this way the employees of the Ukrainian special services go out to the Russian crime. And there, too, "money does not smell."

Here is the answer to why the Russians in the Moscow region worked for the Ukrainian special services. Not Ukrainians, but Russians. A sort of proxy system of the SBU and GUR of Ukraine. We get traitors who don't even realize they are betraying their country. And they are very surprised when they find themselves after being detained “in the wrong office” and “under the wrong articles”.

Back to the shootout


The fact that employees of the GUR and MTR of Ukraine operate on the territory of Russia is no secret. During the USSR era, there were quite serious military intelligence units on the territory of this republic. And to say that GUR today has turned into a bunch of amateurs is stupid. It is silly, if only because the leadership of these units still includes former Soviet intelligence officers, graduates of the Kiev VOKU and other higher educational institutions of the USSR.

The version that was offered to us suits me perfectly. The GUR decided to use smugglers to deliver the "cargo". Weapon? Agree, getting a machine gun, a walkie-talkie and a night vision device for crime is not a big problem today. Especially for the smugglers. From the territory of Ukraine, weapons have long migrated to Belarus and the border regions of Russia. I would not be surprised if Ukrainian machine guns and pistols “surface” in some Yakutia or Kamchatka.

We urgently need to take measures to combat saboteurs and traitors. It may well be necessary to increase the punishment for such actions. It is necessary to involve the media and the capabilities of the press services of law enforcement agencies for broad coverage of events, such as a shootout, arrests of saboteurs and arrest of spies.

I understand that now I will be accused of calling for the return of 37 years. But I see no other way to preserve the stability of the state. Democracy is good exactly until the moment when you are not taken by the throat. At this point, the best democratic procedure will be a good blow to the ears. And not with words, but with fists. But then, when your throat becomes free, you can again talk about solving problems in a diplomatic way. Immediately after the enemy wakes up ...
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  1. Normal ok
    Normal ok 14 December 2020 18: 15
    -25%
    Was there a boy?
    1. svp67
      svp67 14 December 2020 19: 10
      +29
      Quote: Normal ok
      Was there a boy?

      Yours, yes, it was already ... is in the morgue.
  2. evgen1221
    evgen1221 14 December 2020 18: 18
    -8
    Would you like to know more about the character (of the cargo)? Ak, a night light and a walkie-talkie cannot be a load because this is equipment.
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 December 2020 18: 33
      +4
      In recent days, even the Ukrainian media have been talking about the fact that he was a participant in the hostilities in Ukraine, allegedly having something to do with mn17.
      I don't know why Alexander is so surprised that they report that he survived - they were ambushed, they killed the one who controlled the kidnapped first, the rest were scattered by fire. And this is, in fact, the criminals were, not the special forces.
    2. svp67
      svp67 14 December 2020 19: 16
      +12
      Quote: evgen1221
      Would you like to know more about the character (of the cargo)?

      The Ukrainians tried to capture and take to Ukraine one of the participants in the battles in the Donbass. He was the commander of one of the air defense units and on account of his unit at least THREE shot down aircraft of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Guard of Ukraine. Under the guise of an employer, he was approached by Ukrainians to perform SECURITY functions in one of the African countries, as part of a PMC. During a personal meeting, they injected him with a drug that deprived him of his will and immobilized. Then there was an attempt to take him out, but they were already being watched and they failed.
      1. Fan-fan
        Fan-fan 14 December 2020 19: 30
        +12
        If they were "already watched," the other two would not have left.
        1. svp67
          svp67 14 December 2020 19: 34
          +8
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          If they were "already watched," the other two would not have left.
          And you did not think that those "watched" and those "skamed", these were different groups. One carried out the capture and transportation to the border, the second ensured their passage across the border. The first was quietly taken by the FSB, but the second managed to get away from the border guards, though not without losses
          1. Runway
            Runway 15 December 2020 01: 32
            +3
            The smaller the circle of persons "contactees", the more likely the success of the "event". The list of "interested parties" of the SBU on the territory of the Russian Federation is limited, but even to provide for one person, a substantial outfit of operational personnel is required (if the "interested person" himself is not in touch with the fes).
            The Ukrainians could "fall asleep" at the events to "meet" from the territory of the Russian Federation, and the natural reaction to the closure of the NVDNH gave a result.
      2. perm23
        perm23 18 December 2020 06: 49
        +2
        I wonder who else is leaking information to them. Who is this person . where he lives .. Who the same is pouring the intelligence of Ukraine such information. Here's what to think about
  3. nnm
    nnm 14 December 2020 18: 30
    +12
    But I see no other way to preserve the stability of the state.

    Well why ?! There were already attempts to sabotage the dam (for the one that Biden chastised Petya), there were also attempts to capture Ukrainian citizens on the territory of Russia ... Everything was already there. Now a simple question - if, for example, Cuba or Venezuela tried to blow up a dam in the United States, what would be the answer?
    I believe that it is necessary to document these episodes, send them to NATO headquarters and, at the same time, officially give 2 hours to evacuate people from the building of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, and then launch a missile strike on it.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 14 December 2020 19: 41
      -1
      Quote: nnm
      strike it with a missile strike.

      And to fulfill the plan of our "partners".
      They are calling us to the war for which year ... and here they are on a dashing horse ...
      1. nnm
        nnm 15 December 2020 06: 27
        +3
        It reminded me of Order 41g - "Don't give in to provocations." The question is that each time, without receiving an answer, these provocations will only be more impudent and large-scale. Or they forgot about how our people were detained in Belarus ... And in the end we get 22.6.41
        1. EvilLion
          EvilLion 15 December 2020 10: 21
          0
          Has nothing in common. Learn materiel and you will not write such nonsense. A provocation in the 41st could be some plane flying along the border, but not an obvious attack.
          1. nnm
            nnm 15 December 2020 10: 29
            +3
            Yes, yes, yes ... that's how it was. And this simply flying plane did not conduct reconnaissance, and our fighters were not prohibited from opening fire on them, and the commanders of the outposts were not torn between the ban on responding and the order on night 22 to bring the BG to the highest degree. Yes, nothing at all. Since they could not blow up the dam, since they could not land the plane with our PMCs in Ukraine, since they could not steal a person from the territory of Russia, and how, when such a worthy rebuff is not given, he probably understands that he behaved badly or starts everything every time more impudent? How many times will the impudent Ukraine be able to sabotage? What are we going to do then? Expressing concern or what? Such actions are suppressed only by force and only at the very beginning. Otherwise, it will result in much greater losses.
            1. EvilLion
              EvilLion 15 December 2020 11: 14
              +2
              Hospadi, where do you come from. The bans on firing on the night of June 22 were removed everywhere, everyone was already sitting on their ears, besides the innocently repressed Pavlov (he went to the theater in the evening), with whom shameful episodes like the Brest Fortress in which the division were ditched were connected, although only 2 battalions, or the complete non-combat capability of units from which "the machine guns were removed and disassembled." Duc was removed and dismantled because Pavlov specifically gave such orders, since he was expecting an attack and opened the front to the Germans. And at the trial, of course, no one believed his attempts to make himself a careless fool. In the end, there is some difference when you are shot from the other side with a rifle, or when artillery fires at you, and the infantry goes into the attack. Do not consider people stupider than yourself.

              But actions like the flight of an intruder, whom they will try to intercept, after which you can tell the whole world a fairy tale that he flew over his territory, and the evil Russians fired at him, and then also pursued him over the territory of the governor-general (which, by the way, when intercepts happened), it's like doing it. Well, in order not to give reasons for accusations, an order is given to ignore actions that do not pose a danger.

              As for ukrov, I remind you that they have repeatedly staged shelling of Russian territory, at least one was killed. Well, we did not begin to pedal this topic, and, apparently, they answered about the same, most likely, a corrected projectile according to the identified coordinates, or an RDG on the border, and if anything, we can always say that the Ukrainian LPR militias crashed, their guns the same.

              A "worthy rebuff" according to your logic, apparently, is to declare war. As with the Su-24, when everyone was raving, let's kill thousands because of 2 people.
              1. nnm
                nnm 15 December 2020 11: 22
                0
                Please don’t carry such nonsense in front of me!
                You would not have read the research of idiots, a la Suvorov, but read at least a dozen memoirs of veterans.
                The simplest example of "bringing BG to the highest degree" - where were the planes, were they relocated, dispersed?
                What nonsense are you talking about the pursuit over someone else's territory, when German aircraft until the last days carried out additional reconnaissance over OUR territory?
                About the "shameful episode with the Brest fortress" - in general, the feeling that he is writing simply either a person who does not know either history or military affairs, or just a windbag.
                The rest is even too lazy to comment
              2. Ptolemy Lag
                Ptolemy Lag 17 December 2020 10: 08
                +2
                War is inevitable anyway.
        2. Herman 4223
          Herman 4223 15 December 2020 11: 02
          +3
          The order stated that an attack by German troops and their allies was expected during June 22/23. In the end there was the addition that the attack could begin with provocative actions. There was no order not to give in to provocations.
          1. nnm
            nnm 15 December 2020 11: 48
            0
            Quite right. But before that there was a powerful pumping because of the friendship agreement. And this addition, about which you correctly write, in the part "to start with provocations" - again misunderstood the commanders. Read the memoirs - many people write about it.
      2. perm23
        perm23 18 December 2020 06: 55
        0
        Duck, maybe it's time to come, otherwise we'll finish badly. if the bully is not stopped, he becomes bolder and bolder
      3. Plastmaster
        Plastmaster 20 December 2020 17: 24
        0
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        Quote: nnm
        strike it with a missile strike.

        And to fulfill the plan of our "partners".
        They are calling us to the war for which year ... and here they are on a dashing horse ...

        So the horse could not be taken out of the stall, they surrounded it all around. Soon the horseshoes will be washed away. And we all play war games on cartoons.
    2. 210ox
      210ox 14 December 2020 19: 57
      +1
      Some kind of nonsense. This power steering is already here in Russia.
    3. perm23
      perm23 18 December 2020 06: 52
      0
      why then shoot at the building if all the enemies leave from there
    4. Icarus
      Icarus 21 December 2020 22: 47
      0
      officially give 2 hours to evacuate people from the GUR building of Ukraine

      Leave humanity to civilians. 5 minutes will be enough for cockroaches.
    5. Icarus
      Icarus 21 December 2020 23: 13
      0
      I believe that these episodes need to be documented, sent to NATO headquarters and at the same time
      Since when is it an enemy: NATO headquarters is the arbiter to whom any evidence must be sent? Nobody needs to send anything (documents). We must act. But it's better with someone else's hands, not with your own missiles.
  4. iouris
    iouris 14 December 2020 18: 33
    +7
    Quote: "... now I will be accused of calling for the return of 37 years ..." End of quote.
    "37th year" is the dictatorship of the proletariat.
    1. Horon
      Horon 14 December 2020 20: 26
      -1
      Did the proletariat know about this?
      1. uralant
        uralant 15 December 2020 09: 00
        -1
        Quote: Horon
        Did the proletariat know about this?

        The proletariat knew about it!
        Another thing is that besides the proletariat, there were also enemies, writers, for whom the worse the better. Now there may be more of them!
        1. Horon
          Horon 15 December 2020 09: 22
          +3
          There are only enemies around! Before the revolution, the majority of the population lived in the villages, the proletariat was a minority. Thus, the minority imposed their will on the majority, because the dictatorship was the proletariat. wassat
          And if we consider that the leaders of the state for the most part did not even work in factories, then the dictatorship was really the proletariat! wassat
          And how does that "proletarian dictate" differ from the one that is now being imposed by the new liberals? Only an ideological wrapper! winked
    2. Doctor
      Doctor 14 December 2020 21: 21
      +3
      Quote

      Yes, at Staver, all articles can already be disassembled into quotes.
      Type of such pearls: laughing

      Democracy is good exactly until the moment when you are not taken by the throat.
      At this point, the best democratic procedure will be a good blow to the ears.
  5. Ulysses
    Ulysses 14 December 2020 18: 40
    -10%
    I understand that now I will be accused of calling for the return of 37 years. But I see no other way to preserve the stability of the state.


    Does the author work for the Ukrainian special services ??
    Too many related questions that the enemies don't need to know about. sad
  6. BAI
    BAI 14 December 2020 18: 44
    +6
    So, it is known from media reports that a group of four people, one of whom was a "cargo", tried to break through the Russian-Ukrainian border.

    1. How could the "load" break through?
    2. What is this tolerance? "Gruz" is a former militia who was injected with medications.
    3. We see a complete failure of the border service and the FSB, since An ARMED group of saboteurs infiltrated the territory of the Russian Federation, kidnapped a person from the territory of the Russian Federation, and only accidentally, in the last meters, ran into the border guards.
    4.
    The version that was offered to us suits me perfectly. The GUR decided to use smugglers to deliver the "cargo".

    The author seriously believes that Ukraine admits that they were military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or special services who acted with the sanction of the government on the territory of the Russian Federation?
    The question arises. And how many of these groups went back and forth unnoticed? And if such a group has the task not to kidnap a person, but to blow up or poison something?
    I understand that now I will be accused of calling for the return of 37 years.

    According to the author's text, one should not be accused of calling for 37 year, but of defending and conniving at Ukrainian saboteurs.

    PS. If the GUR is the main intelligence department, then it was not the GUR that decided, but the GUR decidedо.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 19: 44
      +6
      Quote: BAI
      The author seriously believes that Ukraine admits that they were servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine or special services

      When the police of the Lao PDR captured the Schnicks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, everyone shouted in unison that they were a cook and a driver. One lame Gaster from Ukraine worked for me, he said that he was a chauffeur in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and when a shell burst, he was wounded in the leg, the second was allegedly an officer.
      They did not work in Russia, but in the Baltic States, but even here they were all "chefs-driver".
    2. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 15 December 2020 00: 19
      +8
      Why did you get that she broke through? She could easily have been formed here. There are a lot of Ukrainian citizens here. They could have just dropped by officially as Gaster. They could be like transit agents. Could through the RB. They could through the DNR. Which by the way returns to the topic of passports that are issued there.
  7. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 December 2020 18: 45
    +10
    Alexander, hi what we understand well, the Kremlin does not want to understand, which still considers everyone around as “fraternal peoples!” And those peoples, alas, have long been far from fraternal, and their leadership is generally wolves, in human guise. Therefore, every year there will only be more and more such facts, until the attitude of our authorities towards our neighbors abroad changes.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 19: 18
      -1
      Quote: Thrifty

      +1

      Alexander, hi what we understand well does not want to understand the Kremlin, which still considers everyone around as "fraternal peoples"!

      No, you don’t understand this, but the Kremlin understands that powders with potions come and go, and it is they, NOT THE PEOPLE, who carry out such a policy, AND THE PEOPLE remains.
      The government will change and the people will again become fraternal. Of course, apart from a certain small part of thugs, of whom there were a few in the Ukrainian SSR. And they did not interfere with us in any way because there was a LAW. And now there is lawlessness in Ukraine, hence the incidents.
      1. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 14 December 2020 19: 47
        +7
        The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. Have you encountered them directly? And until the end of my days I will remember the actions of these ... brothers in Crimea and Sevastopol in the 90s.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 20: 08
          +1
          Quote: serezhasoldatow
          The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe. Have you encountered them directly? And until the end of my days I will remember the actions of these ... brothers in Crimea and Sevastopol in the 90s.

          Have you faced with ALL the people of Ukraine, or with individuals?
          So it turns out - you have encountered individual scumbags, and you blame the whole people. It's the same as judging the people of Russia by Navalny and the bulk. Don't you think?
          1. serezhasoldatow
            serezhasoldatow 14 December 2020 22: 14
            +4
            No, then there were representatives of the people in Ukraine. From Krasnoyarsk, everything is seen in pink.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 22: 52
              0
              Quote: serezhasoldatow
              No, then there were representatives of the people in Ukraine. From Krasnoyarsk, everything is seen in pink.

              But REPRESENTATIVES are not the people! They are not even REPRESENTATIVES, because the people have not authorized them to be their representatives.
              If the people were asked whether to start a war with Donbass, what would they say? I’m sure not! But there would certainly be those who would say yes. But there would be incomparably fewer of them. And you all the people haite. This is not good.
              1. serezhasoldatow
                serezhasoldatow 15 December 2020 16: 17
                +2
                If it were the people, then they would not have such power. And since they contain such a top, then ...
      2. Vladimir Koshevoi
        Vladimir Koshevoi 14 December 2020 21: 16
        +8
        Such complacency leads to trouble.
      3. ccsr
        ccsr 15 December 2020 13: 08
        +5
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        NOT THE PEOPLE, carry out such a policy, BUT THE PEOPLE remain.

        And this people turned out to be with shit, and betrayed their brothers very quickly, because they raised their nationalism not only to the state, but also to the everyday level. Are you a new preacher inviting us to love the children of Judas? I am not going to do this, and I do not advise others, because those who betrayed once will betray more than once - this everyday wisdom is not clear to everyone. And then such gullible begin to cry that we were deceived in expectations ...
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 15 December 2020 20: 15
          -1
          Quote: ccsr
          And this people with shit turned out to be

          Yeah, and ours is so white and fluffy. The people are working for their daily bread, both in our country and in the Ukraine. Powerless to the people. Because it is not organized.
          Not the people with the shit, but the power that over the people.
          And you, judging by your attitude towards the people, are as zombified as those who rode on the Maidan in Kiev. No difference.
          1. ccsr
            ccsr 15 December 2020 21: 31
            +3
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Yeah, and ours is so white and fluffy.

            No, not white and not fluffy, but we always despise traitors.
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Not the people with the shit, but the power that over the people.

            Is it not the people who choose this power for themselves? It seems that our autocracy ended a hundred years ago, so this excuse does not work.
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And you, judging by your attitude towards the people, are as zombified as those who rode on the Maidan in Kiev. No difference.

            I do not live in Krasnoyarsk, and moreover, I have too much experience from communicating with the citizens of this country, so I know how much they have.
            But I am glad that you are so advanced here that you still don’t believe that Russian Ukrainians can kill the Russian people of Donbass. We would go to Donbass, find out what they think about their former compatriots, and then tell us.
      4. Suhow
        Suhow 20 December 2020 13: 26
        +3
        The longer the brainwashing takes place in Ukraine, the harder the reconciliation will be, the partners understand this and, if possible, complicate it. The West does not need a strong East at all, the West needs submissive and weak territories, preferably with a small population.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 14 December 2020 19: 59
      +15
      Quote: Thrifty
      And those peoples, alas, are far from fraternal for a long time,

      Recently I listened to one Soviet academician living in Ukraine, he said, “I wonder why we are forced to honor those who did not live in Ukraine before the war, and even were citizens of another state, and now they are considered heroes, all these murderers of Shukhevych, Bandera, Konovalets, Miller. " Their adherents are now ruling the country, and the entire ideology of Bandera since 1991 has entered the brains of young people who now have children over these 30 years, and those who are a little 10 years older also have this ideology. And only a small percentage of the former Soviet-minded population remained. The conclusion is simple, no comments.
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 15 December 2020 11: 26
        -2
        Somehow I watched one video of a German newsreel from 44g .. So there, in some French city, a column of American and British prisoners was being conducted. So the Germans barely held back the crowd of Frenchmen who wanted to pay off these prisoners, one was even lucky, he broke through and hit the Englishman in the face. This is how German propaganda, in just four years, processed the population of France, that people saw enemies in their recent allies.
        The power will change to a national one, national TV channels will start working and the population of Ukraine will turn into best friends in five years.
        1. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 15 December 2020 12: 00
          +2
          Quote: Herman 4223
          The power will change to a national one, national TV channels will start working and the population of Ukraine will turn into best friends in five years.

          So there and now the power is national, Western. And in the Molorossian government, there is not even an embryo.
          1. Herman 4223
            Herman 4223 15 December 2020 13: 16
            -2
            What kind of nation is this "zapadenskaya" ?, their power does not belong to local ethnic groups or the Bandera sect. Their power is American, and it will be national when the nation to which these territories belong will restore its legal borders. Hope it's not sunburned.
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 15 December 2020 20: 20
        -5
        Quote: tihonmarine
        And those peoples, alas, are far from fraternal for a long time,

        Quote: tihonmarine

        Recently I listened to one Soviet academician living in Ukraine, so he said, "I wonder why we are forced to honor those who did not live before the war in Ukraine, and even were citizens of another state, and now they are considered heroes, all these killers of Shukhevych, Bandera, Konovalets, Miller. " Here are their

        It makes people "honor ..."? Or is it power?
        Quote: tihonmarine
        adherents are now ruling the country, and the entire ideology of Bandera since 1991 has merged into the brains of young people, who now have children over these 30 years, and those who are a little 10 years older also have this ideology. And only a small percentage of the former Soviet-minded population remained. The conclusion is simple, no comments.

        Did you count it yourself, or did your grandmother get it to count? laughing
  8. ccsr
    ccsr 14 December 2020 18: 49
    +16
    I understand that now I will be accused of calling for the return of 37 years.

    No, smart people will not blame, the article is quite interesting and balanced. It is not the Papuans who act against us, but those to whom the officers passed on their experience, who graduated from the committee "towers" and the military-diplomatic academy. And they didn't teach fools there, so we need to be prepared for any "surprises" by the Ukrainian special services.
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 21: 00
      -7
      Quote: ccsr

      No, smart people will not blame, the article is quite interesting and balanced.

      And even smarter, developing the author's thoughts about what is needed -
      = Alas, but control over citizens who periodically travel to the territory of Ukraine must be strengthened. We must move away from the blissful state of a united people. Today Ukraine is an enemy. Insidious and capable of any meanness. = - to take all "Ukrainians" under special control. Then, even smarter ones, they will offer to invite them all to a "conversation" with the authorities, for the purpose of "prevention." And then it will go on the knurled one.
      The main thing here is to kindle. What the author does with his article.

      = The fact that employees of the GUR and MTR of Ukraine operate on the territory of Russia is no secret. =
      Well, yes, it's not a secret. Is it a secret that CIA, MOSSAD, BND, MI6 employees operate on Russian territory? Or does the author not care about their activities? The main danger - power steering of Ukraine?
      Those who are supposed to do this, they do, let the author have no doubts. But stirring up hatred between nations is not worth it.
      1. businessv
        businessv 14 December 2020 22: 30
        +7
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        Is it a secret that CIA, MOSSAD, BND, MI6 employees operate on Russian territory? Or does the author not care about their activities? The main danger - power steering of Ukraine?

        The fact is, colleague, that the intelligence organizations you listed do not threaten our borders, do not build walls on them and do not shoot in our direction, at least not yet. Therefore, yes, the GUR Square at a given moment in time can cause much more problems, which has already been proven in the LPNR in the form of terrorist acts to destroy their leaders.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 14 December 2020 22: 40
          -3
          Quote: businessv

          The fact is, colleague, that the intelligence organizations you listed do not threaten our borders,

          They did not threaten the Ukrainian borders either, but turned the country upside down.
          And made the people of Ukraine, in your eyes, your enemy.
          And what about this?
          It is not known to you which of these "intelligence organizations" creates more problems for us. What this article is getting into your head is not an irrefutable fact.
          1. businessv
            businessv 15 December 2020 18: 20
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            It is not known to you which of these "intelligence organizations" creates more problems for us. What this article is getting into your head is not an irrefutable fact.
            good I know one thing, colleague! If there were no traitors to the interests of their state in the country's leadership, then any foreign "intelligence organization" would be deeply parallel to this country! Intelligence cannot create problems by definition, problems are created by the leadership of the countries to which the intelligence community belongs. hi
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2020 17: 41
              -3
              Quote: businessv
              good One thing I know, colleague! If there were no traitors to the interests of their state in the country's leadership, then any foreign "intelligence organization" would be deeply parallel to this country! Intelligence cannot create problems by definition, problems are created by the leadership of the countries to which the intelligence community belongs.

              Delighted with your mind. And pour out banal knowledge. Essentially, what can you say?
              1. businessv
                businessv 20 December 2020 22: 11
                +1
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                And pour out banal knowledge. Essentially, what can you say?

                You also admire me with your pseudo-erudition! First, ask a question on the merits, then talk about the answer. Your thoughts on the topic of who to whom Rabinovich are just demagoguery! Essentially - my first post, the rest of the answers to you personally, which you, as I understand, did not comprehend. hi
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 21 December 2020 10: 18
                  -2
                  Quote: businessv
                  You, as I understand it, did not understand.

                  Why did not he understand? - Enlightened.
                  Quote: businessv

                  The fact is, colleague, that the intelligence organizations you listed do not threaten our borders, do not build walls on them and do not shoot in our direction, at least not yet. Therefore, yes, power steering is square at this

                  From your post it follows that the GUR threatens our borders (I wonder in what way), builds walls (GUR?) On them (I wonder how the construction of a wall on the border can threaten us) and shoots (?) In our (!) Side. In your opinion, it turns out that one of the actions of the GUR is shooting in our direction.
                  Come to your senses, colleague. I understand that you did not want to say that, but it is necessary, in the end, to express your thoughts more clearly.
                  And how to conduct a dialogue with you - you think one thing, write another ...
                  1. businessv
                    businessv 21 December 2020 18: 54
                    +2
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    In your opinion, it turns out that one of the actions of the GUR is shooting in our direction.

                    This post is the height of your demagogy! Bravo! You got it right, right? Or do you seriously think that the operation described in the article did without the preliminary work of the power steering? I already wrote that "Intelligence cannot create problems by definition, problems are created by the leadership of the countries to which the intelligence community belongs," which means that it does not build, does not shoot, etc., so your irony is too sarcastic. I almost forgot about one more thing
                    And made the people of Ukraine, in your eyes, your enemy.
                    Here the people of Nezalezhnaya, in my eyes, will never be an enemy, unlike those who arranged it all! I propose to end our entertainment on this. smile
                    1. Krasnoyarsk
                      Krasnoyarsk 21 December 2020 19: 15
                      0
                      Quote: businessv
                      Here the people of Nezalezhnaya, in my eyes, will never be an enemy, unlike those who arranged it all! I propose to end our entertainment on this. smile

                      Bravo!!! At last!!! This is what I want to convey to many commentators. You can never equate the people and the government.
                      Yes, there are a lot of thugs in Ukraine, but these are far from all the people.
                      And I am glad that I have a like-minded person here in this matter. The only pity is that one. hi
                      1. businessv
                        businessv 21 December 2020 19: 28
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        And I am glad that I have a like-minded person here in this matter. The only pity is that one.

                        No, not one, you are mistaken, fortunately! There are many who understand the whole drama and misfortune of what happened! The people, unfortunately, are only to blame for the fact that they allowed themselves to be cheated once again. How to get out of this is not clear to me personally! The Nazis will not give up their "back-breaking labor" without a fight.
                      2. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 21 December 2020 20: 48
                        0
                        Quote: businessv
                        The people, unfortunately, are only to blame for the fact that they allowed themselves to be cheated once again.

                        In my heart I agree with you, but my brains are screaming about disagreement.
                        Here's the thing - it's easy to deceive people, but not for long. If figuratively and simplified, then this is what happens.
                        They say to the people 2 plus 3 is 6, and the people believe, a little time passes and the people understand that - no, not 6 but five. But the choice has already been made! We must wait for the next elections. And on the next people they say - 4 plus 5 is equal to 7, and the people again believe. And again, after a short time, he realizes that he was deceived again. But the choice has already been made. This is how it happens with our and not our people. The people are EASY to deceive, though not for long. But that doesn't make it any easier.
                        Quote: businessv
                        The Nazis will not give up their "back-breaking labor" without a fight.

                        But with this, my soul and brains completely agree with you. There is only one clarification - not Nazis, these can be quickly dealt with and, I think, the people themselves will cope with them. But their curators .., here the matter is more serious. The people cannot cope without external help. The wrong level of organizational structure. hi
                      3. businessv
                        businessv 22 December 2020 13: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        The people cannot cope without external help. The wrong level of organizational structure.

                        That's for sure, but ours did not dare to do this in 2014, when there was a real opportunity, I think they will not dare in the future - our rulers and oligarchs have too much of everything behind the hill, including families, assets, etc., which they just can't want to lose.
                      4. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 22 December 2020 15: 28
                        -1
                        Quote: businessv

                        That's for sure, but ours did not dare to do this in 2014, when there was a real opportunity, I think they will not dare in the future - our rulers and oligarchs have too much of everything behind the hill, including families, assets, etc., which they just can't want to lose.

                        It is impossible not to agree with you. This is exactly how it is.
                        I would be glad to shake your hand.
                      5. businessv
                        businessv 22 December 2020 16: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        I would be glad to shake your hand.

                        Mutually! drinks
  • Dimy4
    Dimy4 14 December 2020 18: 53
    0
    In the photo where the coat of arms is, the eagle lacks a wing.
  • Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 14 December 2020 19: 24
    +3
    Always follow.
    Follow everywhere ....
    Will the trail overtake?
    In addition to Ukrainians, there are also guests from Central Asia, from the Caucasus, and there are a lot of their clients.
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 December 2020 19: 30
    0
    The fact that it is time to consider the U-brothers friends should become clear to the very last Ukrainophile in the Russian Federation drinks
  • xomaNN
    xomaNN 14 December 2020 20: 01
    +2
    ... here I missed one word "STOP" in my comment, AND THE MEANING TURNED over wassat
  • Avior
    Avior 14 December 2020 20: 15
    +5
    The fact that the saboteurs, by some secret paths with hooves in their hands and a bag of weapons and ammunition, are crawling across the border on koryachki, let's leave it to the director Sentsov. It is not in vain that the border guards say a rather hackneyed phrase about "locked border".

    The author is so great, but he believes in fairy tales.
    They do not crawl, but crawl over. Or even overload.
    ROSTOV-ON-DON, July 31. / TASS /. The smuggler who sent his car to the border guards was detained in the Rostov region on the border with Ukraine. As reporters were told in the border department of the FSB of Russia in the region, he was wounded ... "In the area of ​​the settlement of Grigorievka, officers of the Border Department of the FSB of Russia in the Rostov region suppressed a smuggling transaction on the illegal movement of a large consignment of consumer goods across the border. fulfilled the legal requirements of the border guard to stop and tried to hide on Russian territory, directing his car at the border guards, while dangerously maneuvering and posing a threat to their life and health, "the message says ..... The incident occurred on July 30. As a law enforcement source clarified to TASS, the detainee was a citizen of the Russian Federation .... the smugglers tried to move their goods across the border outside the established checkpoint, they threw it into a UAZ-452 car that had arrived from the Russian side, which did not have state registration numbers. According to preliminary estimates, the total cost of the detained contraband exceeds 2,5 million rubles.

    or more.
    Employees of the border department of the FSB of Russia in the Rostov region in Donetsk (RF) detained the driver of a VAZ 2121 car without state registration plates, who was trying to cross the state border. According to the press service of the border department, the driver did not react to the demand of the officers to stop the car and directed the car towards the border guards. They started shooting in response, but the driver tried to hide in the depths of the Rostov region. In this regard, the officers organized a border search for the Niva driver and detained him.

    The Donetsk World Court found the man guilty under Art. 18.7 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation (Disobedience to a lawful order or demand of a serviceman in connection with the performance of his duties to protect the State Border of the Russian Federation), and sentenced him to 11 days of arrest.

    And the border is all locked. The narrow-gauge railway was not laid :)
  • Avior
    Avior 14 December 2020 20: 16
    +2
    The fact that the saboteurs, by some secret paths with hooves in their hands and a bag of weapons and ammunition, are crawling across the border on koryachki, let's leave it to the director Sentsov. It is not in vain that the border guards say a rather hackneyed phrase about "locked border".

    The author is so great, but he believes in fairy tales.
    They do not crawl, but crawl over. Or even overload.
    ROSTOV-ON-DON, July 31. / TASS /. The smuggler who sent his car to the border guards was detained in the Rostov region on the border with Ukraine. As reporters were told in the border department of the FSB of Russia in the region, he was wounded ... "In the area of ​​the settlement of Grigorievka, officers of the Border Department of the FSB of Russia in the Rostov region suppressed a smuggling transaction on the illegal movement of a large consignment of consumer goods across the border. fulfilled the legal requirements of the border guard to stop and tried to hide on Russian territory, directing his car at the border guards, while dangerously maneuvering and posing a threat to their life and health, "the message says ..... The incident occurred on July 30. As a law enforcement source clarified to TASS, the detainee was a citizen of the Russian Federation .... the smugglers tried to move their goods across the border outside the established checkpoint, they threw it into a UAZ-452 car that had arrived from the Russian side, which did not have state registration numbers. According to preliminary estimates, the total cost of the detained contraband exceeds 2,5 million rubles.

    or more.
    Employees of the border department of the FSB of Russia in the Rostov region in Donetsk (RF) detained the driver of a VAZ 2121 car without state registration plates, who was trying to cross the state border. According to the press service of the border department, the driver did not react to the demand of the officers to stop the car and directed the car towards the border guards. They started shooting in response, but the driver tried to hide in the depths of the Rostov region. In this regard, the officers organized a border search for the Niva driver and detained him.

    The Donetsk World Court found the man guilty under Art. 18.7 of the Code of Administrative Offenses of the Russian Federation (Disobedience to a lawful order or demand of a serviceman in connection with the performance of his duties to protect the State Border of the Russian Federation), and sentenced him to 11 days of arrest.

    And the border is all locked. The narrow-gauge railway was not laid :)
  • Egor53
    Egor53 14 December 2020 20: 40
    0
    We have a very wrong attitude towards Ukraine.
    The fact that this is a Nazi state waging a war with Russia and the Donbass does not raise doubts from any sane person.
    Therefore:
    1. Any person with a sniper rifle approaching the border of Donbass closer than 2 km. must be destroyed.
    2. Any cannon, tank, mortar approaching the Donbass border closer than its firing range must be destroyed.
    3. Any person in the uniform of the Ukrainian army or police, approaching the border of Donbass closer than 50 km. must be destroyed.

    To carry out the above measures on the border, from the Donbass, appropriate means of engaging the enemy must be located. If Donbass itself does not have enough such funds, then Russia is simply obliged to provide such humanitarian assistance. It is high time to transfer Iskanders and multiple launch rocket systems to Donbass.
    It is impossible to enlighten Ukraine - it just needs to be destroyed.
    1. ccsr
      ccsr 15 December 2020 13: 21
      +4
      Quote: Egor53
      It is impossible to enlighten Ukraine - it just needs to be destroyed.

      Is it okay that many Russian citizens have relatives there, and even if they are not friends now, they still don’t stoop to their destruction in their appeals?
      Where did you get such bloodthirstiness, especially when you consider that white people on the planet, as a population, in percentage terms are becoming less and less.
      Maybe we will leave them alone, and let nature itself figure out how tenacious Ukrainians will be in the modern world - let them cook in their own cauldron, but when we try to get into our affairs, we will simply break the neck of those who do it. This will be our contribution to peace and friendship between the former fraternal peoples.
  • Dimide
    Dimide 14 December 2020 20: 52
    -1
    Komsomolskaya Pravda and Vargonzo are so-so sources to draw any conclusions
  • Vladimir Koshevoi
    Vladimir Koshevoi 14 December 2020 21: 19
    +3
    The CIA have been running the SBU for a year. Wake up.
  • Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
    Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 14 December 2020 22: 08
    -4
    Staver was pondering some nonsense. Or does the status of a full-time author allow raving?
    1. businessv
      businessv 14 December 2020 22: 24
      +2
      Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Staver was pondering some nonsense.

      You at least cited a paragraph with nonsense as an example, so as not to be unfounded. As for me, everything is logical.
      1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 December 2020 09: 51
        +4
        yes, all the writing is opportunistic populist delirium. And the most remarkable thing is that the Jews Staver and Polonsky are the spokesmen for the aspirations of the allegedly "Russian" majority in VO.) Nothing new in sublunary Russia laughing And the "majority" like a hamster obediently assent to their nonsense. For all that, with any rhetorical talents, Staver does not please and in some places sins of ignorance of the subject on which he tries to "reflect". The stump is clear that the thesis is "tash and not push!" and fenced off with iron curtains will be successful with primitives. That's noticeable.
        1. ccsr
          ccsr 15 December 2020 13: 25
          +2
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          And the most remarkable thing is that the exponents of the aspirations of the allegedly "Russian" majority in VO are the Jews Staver and Polonsky)

          How did you figure out these agents of influence? Maybe they have already registered as foreign agents - enlighten us so that we are informed.
        2. businessv
          businessv 15 December 2020 18: 22
          0
          Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
          The stump is clear that the thesis is "tash and not push!" and fenced off with iron curtains will be successful with primitives. That's noticeable.
          I do not understand why indiscriminately accuse everyone reading of such mossy vices ?! wink Well, and your message regarding the nationality of the authors is generally beyond praise! Well done! (This is ironic, of course.)
          1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
            Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 December 2020 18: 41
            0
            The message regarding the nationality of the authors is generally beyond praise!

            What's the problem? Have I offended someone here? Or is it a figure of silence? What's wrong?
            1. businessv
              businessv 15 December 2020 19: 51
              +1
              Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
              What's the problem? Have I offended someone here?
              Well, as for me, you have insulted the authors, colleague! Nationality does not affect the content of the article - after all, it is an article, not agitprop. And another Jew is much more patriotic than a Russian. Or do you think that such materials should be written exclusively by Russians, people who have not been noticed in anything defaming them? smile
              1. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 December 2020 22: 59
                +1
                Quote: businessv
                You insulted the authors

                what, may I ask? The fact that he refused Staver a talent? This is my opinion, nothing offensive.
                Quote: businessv
                Nationality does not in any way affect the content of the article - after all, it is an article, not an agitprop.

                not agitprop? laughing Enough to flirt, dear - quite an agitprop, and even what - Staver is cautiously engaged in national segregation. Or is this not his thesis about the danger of "Ukrainian guest workers"? And I find that picking a Jew in a basket of ethnic Slavic underwear is pretty funny.)
                Quote: businessv
                And another Jew is much more patriotic than a Russian.

                Oh yes, if he scratches the titular majority where it itches) laughing Agitprop has always been and remains a fiefdom .... yes. Can you dispute? Excuse me. And do not look for "incitement" and other nonsense in my words.
                1. businessv
                  businessv 16 December 2020 20: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
                  Can you dispute? Excuse me. And do not look for "incitement" and other nonsense in my words.

                  I do not see the subject of dispute. Have you yourself sprinkled anything on VO, except for posts? You don't have to answer - I'm sure not. hi
  • businessv
    businessv 14 December 2020 22: 22
    +1
    But then, when your throat becomes free, you can again talk about solving problems in a diplomatic way. Immediately after the enemy wakes up ...
    Thank you, Alexander, for the article. There is nothing to subtract, but you can add a lot of things, it will pull for a couple more articles. good
  • Catfish
    Catfish 14 December 2020 23: 16
    +5
    We urgently need to take measures to combat saboteurs and traitors.


    Pralna! We urgently need to create a new unit specially tailored to fight the hohlak guest workers. The office, the police and the National Guards are no longer enough. Give SMERSH in a new edition !!!
    Tighten the nuts, otherwise they have blossomed! The homeland is in danger!
  • Lynx2000
    Lynx2000 14 December 2020 23: 25
    +2
    Smugglers have always been used since ancient times, in wars or in the interests of special services.
    Identification of "agents" of foreign intelligence services is the task of the FSB (including the counterintelligence department).
    There are many ways to enter the Russian Federation. Provision of equipment, equipment and weapons was most likely handled by other "agents". For this, contacts are usually established with local criminal groups.
    At any section of the border where there is an established "passage" channel, the neighboring side has "observers / informants" in our border zone who report on the methods of border protection.
    The tasks of the border guards in such a section also include the identification of such persons (accomplices).
  • Naval
    Naval 15 December 2020 00: 00
    0
    The sooner we learn that there is no fraternal people, but there is a cunning, vile, and embittered enemy, the more secure our country will be. Moreover, "Svidomo nationalists" with the names Ivanov, Drozdov, Markov, Golubev, etc., can ideally merge with the local Russian population. At the very least, oblige all non-brothers who enter to leave fingerprints.
    1. Herman 4223
      Herman 4223 15 December 2020 11: 49
      -1
      There is a fraternal people, but they live in the occupation of the enemy. Of course, you need to check, as in the war of those who came from behind the front line
  • Sergey Russky
    Sergey Russky 15 December 2020 02: 45
    -3
    said for a long time that turning your back on a Ukrainian is VERY dangerous
  • fiberboard
    fiberboard 15 December 2020 06: 52
    0
    We will probably never wait until they build a wall on the border between Yatsenyuk and K. Maybe it's better to build the wall ourselves? And to strengthen the PV, in the beginning, return the rations at least. Members of the National Battalions, upon entering Russia, should be caught and automatically entered the zone for ten years. And heroes of the ATO to unfold and back.
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 15 December 2020 09: 02
      +1
      Quote: fiberboard
      Members of the National Battalions, upon entering Russia, should be caught and automatically entered the zone for ten years. And heroes of the ATO to unfold and back.

      Ha.
      Who will do this?
      We have theirs heroes rather big officials. And when the press writes about them, ours defend, they say, such enemies, they are all decent people.
  • APASUS
    APASUS 15 December 2020 12: 20
    -2
    On this occasion, the strange silence of our leadership. In fact, it is required to declare a Ukrainian intelligence unit as terrorists. Striking bases and headquarters, will sober up a little
    1. DrEng527
      DrEng527 15 December 2020 16: 28
      -1
      Quote: APASUS
      Striking bases and headquarters, will sober up a little

      That's it! soldier
    2. Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
      Paragraph Epitafievich Y. 15 December 2020 23: 36
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      Striking bases and headquarters, will sober up a little

      the coccyx of the couch generals are calloused, yes ... laughing
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 16 December 2020 08: 08
        0
        Quote: Paragraph Epitafievich Y.
        the coccyx of the couch generals are calloused, yes ...

        You are our homebrew critic! It's always easier to sit and throw mud at others. Don't be silent, offer.
  • DrEng527
    DrEng527 15 December 2020 16: 27
    -1
    The author is thinking in the wrong direction - you have to be in the decision-making centers and the offices of the chiefs, and not the executors ... hi
  • solombalec
    solombalec 15 December 2020 18: 24
    0
    Well, as an option, on one section of the border they made noise, and on the other they passed safely and did what was needed.
  • Bear040
    Bear040 16 December 2020 03: 12
    +1
    I believe that the punishment for working for a foreign state against the Russian Federation should be toughened up to an exceptional measure - the death penalty. For non-loyalty to the Russian Federation, it is necessary to deprive the citizens of the Russian Federation, property and forcibly deport them to countries whose patriots are people who have lost their way in the Russian Federation, such as Ksyushadi and Makaronych. It is also necessary to deport those who are trying to impose wild Sharia laws in the secular Russian Federation. Do you want to live according to the laws of Shariah - Suitcase, Station, UAE!
  • anclevalico
    anclevalico 16 December 2020 07: 50
    0
    The intelligence has failed. Outrageous incidents (this is not the first), when the DRGs on the other side are wielding enough impunity, then they will only increase in number. The strangest thing in this situation is the deaf silence of the officials. A kind of strange numbness overtakes our leaders in such situations. In the case of detention in Belarus, it was the same. Is this shock, confusion? And then what will happen if the real turmoil begins? Everyone, like Stalin, will disappear for a week while the rank and file will fight back? All this worries and worries.
  • Abel
    Abel 16 December 2020 10: 52
    0
    "Russia is a great place where you can somehow improve your financial situation. Naturally, such people are looking for high-paying jobs and are happy to agree, for example, to become a courier for drug dealers." I met an eagle in the Crimea, who boasted that he had risen well, having brought a shipment of weapons. So, the "migrant workers" do not disdain anything
  • loaln
    loaln 16 December 2020 13: 03
    0
    Absolutely correct.
    Lazha in the other.
    There can be no visa-free travel with enemies.
    And there must be a reasonable deportation of suspicious persons.
    Well, migrant workers in these conditions is a complete idiotism of complete idiots.
    Moreover, the rates of obtaining Russian passports in Crimea and Donbas, and the composition of the disclosed sabotage groups, speak of the potential loyalty of "former brothers or brothers".
  • antonowich
    antonowich 18 December 2020 11: 39
    0
    YES! I can't understand such hackers! well, if you have no idea what you are writing about - why write ???? boring and writing about what you hear and fantasize! provocative after all! do not write - not yours and rather weak with fantasies! don't get on your nerves! not everyone understands that you are writing nonsense!
  • viktor_47
    viktor_47 2 January 2021 10: 46
    0
    "We urgently need to take measures to combat saboteurs and traitors. It is possible that it is necessary to increase the punishment for such actions."
    Well, there can be only one punishment for "such actions", it is known what. And one more thing: it is extremely difficult to protect the administrative borders drawn in an open field. Natural borders between states were formed along natural obstacles, rivers, mountain ranges, etc. Clarifying and demarcating borders is also an urgent task.